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CHAPTERS;
0:00 - Anime Rock Paper Scissors 2 - The Origins
9:35 - Drama Around Style Sets // We're Making Our Own
17:24 - What we mean by Democratization
19:54 - The Tale of the Tiger & A Donkey
24:19 - Getting Rid of the Tedious Aspects of Animation
27:10 - The Values of Traditional Art Skill & Techniques
35:55 - The Fear of Ai // The Ethics
50:31 - What We're Excited About

[@techgoggles]

The logic behind why we only notice negative comments is based on the primal intent of survival. When you read negative feedback, it activates the same part of the brain that handles threats and attacks. Positive comment: safe so ignore Negative comment: threat so give attention

[@matthewrosborough2705]

as one of those artists worried about getting replaced by AI at a studio/corporation, i am less worried about that corporations making all the art and more worried about not being able to make rent ever again on the back of getting paid for art.

[@dennisthemenace567]

use ai to do it also I'm sorry if you live in a place with property tax me too

[@moisejeanfelix]

first

[@rossbergin8221]

It get that you are trying to make animation more accessible and easier. There’s a difference between making it more accessible than letting the computer do most of the work for you. It will just lose the soul and creativity.

[@Outis634]

Love and support!

[@MongoosePreservationSociety]

Garbage man: what's with all this clay? Everyone: didn't you see Jurassic Park?!?

[@mrartistimo1530]

Wow. Good job. You managed basic ethics by not stealing people's art. Bravo. Brilliant job. You'd think of all people, that a vfx company would understand at least something of the ethical ramifications of "Hi, lovely animation and art you made, we're going to throw it into a machine and pretend that we actually made any of the meaningful decisions behind it.". Like at all. I can't see how you guys thought this was ever going to go well in the first place. Good job following the bare fucking minimum for your second shot at it. Went from being a fan to despising you in literally minutes watching the first rock paper scissors thing.

[@W0Ndr3y]

Finally the episode where you address this, I was waiting for this for couple of weeks.

[@Eddo_sensei]

dude Sam's head looks like CG at times. Love him as a character.

[@murph8020]

Give it some time and a modern cell phone with AI in the cloud will have the potential to create films with visual effects as good as movies are today.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

yep, they are really underestimating the potential power future AI will bring us

[@spacesheep69]

Harry Potter Balenciaga is part of humanity's greatest achievements and will be remembered as a masterpiece for centuries to come.

[@angeloah]

My younger kids are getting into rendering and 3d modeling young. Been slowly bending their eyes toward corridor crew new and old. In the process I get to watch and triple watch etc etc. This channel is one of the reasons I dislike people less, as I age.

[@cjmedina.24]

The ending was hilarious omg

[@joshwoloszyn]

This is a really interesting look into a very genuine new side that I feel like I haven't seen with you guys, and I appreciate it, it's really cool to see the different sides of people (I'm mostly talking about your defense and justification of ai tools) I was wondering if we would hear from you guys. Do you think it would be interesting to get someone on the podcast who is open minded enough to hear from your side, but they hold the opposite opinion? It would be a cool discussion to hear from Industry professionals and I feel like most of the people in this podcast would also be open minded enough to have a discussion for us to hear the different points from each view. Love you guys can't wait for the next rock paper scissors, the first one had so much depth and emotion in it (and I don't normally like anime)

[@kitsimmans9464]

For me it's a double edged sword where it's great that it will allow more independent creators without the need for big corporations, but the other side is that the truth is those big corporations are what pays the bills for animators and artists and it's hard in this economy to keep yourself afloat financially as an independent artist or studio. With that being said however, I think you're right about it garnering more attention towards hand drawn works and original content thats not derivative. I watched Lackadaisy the other day and it's a beautiful hand crafted animated pilot that took 4 years to make. Yes all the layoffs from big studios may be because of the popularity of AI art and not a surprise really when studios treat animation less like an art form and more of a investment sometimes (Looking at you Disney) But I think we are seeing a big resurgence of original content made by small teams and independent studios and it makes me cautiously optimistic for the future of animation. The same way there are still 2D animated studios still making films today when they said 2D traditional animation was dead at the rise of 3D, The medium of hand crafted content will live on even after AI generated content becomes the norm. As long as there is an actual human at the helm then to me it's still art. I'm glad you're getting an artist involved on the next Rock, Paper, Crossblades. Involving artists in the process feels like more of a democracy and I hope you can get them on the podcast too, it would be great to hear their perspective on working on the project. Hope you understand that not all animators and artists are dog-piling you because we're elitist or looking for attention. A lot of us are just scared and currently unemployed because of the changes to the industry.

[@Venomhide]

These podcasts are just pure clay! love em

[@Qwarzz]

I'd imagine you could do pretty good 3D modeling with a phone with 40 cameras in it. Might require a bit of processing power.

[@dracon436]

how come u guys never used metahumans to create models that look the corridor crew

[@drewwalters3442]

I will confirm Niko looks better with a full beard. Although I am almost 30 and only have a Guy Fawkes beard, So maybe I am biased

[@andl22]

in a future episode can you look at why marvel vfx look worse than the vfx for the mandalorian even though they both come from the same company [that company being disney] I would really enjoy this. thanks guys

[@andl22]

do this if you haven't done it already. I thought it would be interesting to look at

[@seabee3550]

Please talk about the drake weekend ai song heart on my sleeve and the implications of ai in the music industry

[@MeNoOther]

I can't wait till I can input in my OWN modelsheets and stylesheets and place my characters in scenes.

[@phillipward1781]

Lots of good points made, but you guys are sitting in a bit of an echochamber with this episode

[@techgoggles]

Even big youtubers who hangout with the ceo of youtube like ludwig chimed in on the hate train. I am so happy you guys just ignored it.

[@Sumaleth]

If "AI as a tool for artists" is just a stepping stone towards "AI as a completely generative set of systems" (writing, acting, stylisation, voice, etc), does that change how you think about AI? That seems to be the long- (or some people think short-) term goal of this work.

[@TaylorMade4Zero]

pause 20:09

[@JProductionsYT]

after i have the data set, what programs could i use for actually train the ai and generate images

[@Emiltecknar]

bitched for over a hour how artist are alarmist and dont understand the tech. end of the video they laugh and say "oh well actually when i thing of it some artist are out of a job suck to suck looooool" like what? so then artist have a legit reason to be concerned

[@polishedpebble4111]

Who's tagging all these millions of pictures with labels, so the prompts can actually work? That needs an army of people right? Like an office building of indian techies? Could image labeling be vastly improved? Just a screen shot of the crew sitting there could have a hundred different specific tags, if not more. More would be better right?

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

Just use AI to label them

[@MeNoOther]

28:40 they are right! Ai will make your own skills and time more efficient. The People can compete with the big studios.

[@befrey]

You still need the entire database , you guys all are hypocrites.

[@scruvydom]

I do feel you're being a bit myopic here. 1) On the "copying" front - it's not that these tools allow you to copy other artists styles, which as you point out is possible using any number of media - but rather that these systems are built very directly on stolen art. That's not to say that a machine learning system couldn't be ethically trained on original images - but that most of these systems are very literally built upon image data with very dodgy providence. You say that the data sets are agnostic and can use non copyrighted material - but one of the biggest criticisms of your "anime" was that it was trained directly on data from Vampire Hunter D. It's good that you're using original images for the next one - but come on, own it that that was a morally dubious thing to do. 2) on the "AI replacing artists" front - it seems disingenuous not to acknowledge the effects that this is going to have on entry level creative jobs. Yes, these tools will allow for boutique productions and improve many creative workers' productivity. But the fact that they will be able to automate a lot of grunt work, a lot of more formulaic corporate projects, is going to remove the rungs at the bottom of the ladder for people trying to break into these industries. "Democratization" is one thing that will happen, but given that we live in an exploitative capitalist system which does not provide for the basic material needs of working people - this will inevitably lead to greater economic disparities between those who's careers are safe because of the social and intellectual capital they've already built - and those whose jobs are going to be automated out of existence.

[@morycce]

You guys are inspiring and trailblazing ways to utilize AI smartly. Creating models/datasets of images, pictured, & music to create new work in the style of the model's paid artists, is super liberating.

[@jordankarasek3907]

I love podcast! Cracking me up. I thought, great now I have to stay up late tonight and compose thesis prompts for Niko. Aka ridiculous negative feedback.

[@polishedpebble4111]

Could Corridor do a video gathering different types of artists, explain the tech, get them to try it, and conclude if its a tool they can use or if it really is something that will hurt them.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

well they don't even fully understand the tech themselves like a couple of corridor casts back niko even said they used neural evolution to train stable diffusion

[@Discipol]

The drama around using Castlevania / Vampire D art style is that you did not pay an artist to make them for your project, you straight up took them from the animes. I agree that inspiration should flow freely but that is NOT what you did.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

why do people keep saying they stole from castlevania there wasn't a single castlevania image in the dataset they used to train their model

[@Cotygeek]

My biggest point of frustration was the way that you guys had laid out ways in which this tech could be used ethically when trained on one's own art and style while still training the video you released on Vampire Hunter D. It was a bad move and I wish you had acknowledged it as such because it would have gone a long way towards you guys endearing these tools to more people. I think you guys legitimately have your hearts in the right place, but there are a lot of people who *are* using AI as a form of grift and are legitimately doing harm to creative communities across the board and a lot of them are using quotes from you guys and videos from you guys to try and legitimize their efforts. I know you're not in control of what other people do with your words and your work, but I do think that you can be more eloquent with your messaging. I know you aren't trying to be, but you truly do come off as dismissive in other statements you've made and I truly think this is a case where "ignoring the haters" has done a disservice to what can be a great set of tools when ethically used in the right hands.

[@anapple.4338]

Can you give an example please?

[@NimbusAbi]

the big thing is, the tools will come and will evolve. you are either part of it or you are left behind

[@MattyJayThomas]

26 mins in. Problem, reaction, solution applies to everybody. Most people have the ability now through social media to state their opinions before thinking passed the reaction stage and end up changing their opinions down the line. If you stop to take stock of these reaction based comments you slow down your own progress. Keep moving guys.

[@violetnightmare9216]

I'm a "traditional" artist (mostly collage) and I wanted to write some rpg products to put on a platform designed for users to be able to release rpg products for a particular game system on, and was going to use Midjourney to create the art for the book (as I'm not really trained in digital art and people who play ttrpg have very specific expectations for what kind of art rpg books have, and I cannot afford to commission digital artists). Buuut then the company running the platform (and making the game system it was for) made an instagram post saying they where banning AI art from their platform, and put in a snide remark at the end of their statement where they referred to AI art as "creative" (in the air quotes to imply it isn't creative). So I was as a person living below the poverty line going to be able to make a product that could maybe bring me a tiny bit of income and enable me to break into publishing stuff I write, but the tools that where going to allow that are now not allowed on that platform because of a knee jerk reaction against the technology. It feels like there is an element of the backlash against AI that is about trying to keep art from being accessible to people who don't have the privilege/resources available to other people and it feels really sucky.

[@paulkingMotion]

So you want to essentially make a profit for yourself by not paying digital artists and your justification is because you are poor?

[@anapple.4338]

@@paulkingMotion what are you talking about? Man is jsut using a free tool to improve his art, why does he have to pay someone else to make it when there’s a free tool that will do it from him?

[@holliswilliams8426]

I think the choice of terminology ''Artificial Intelligence'' was maybe not that helpful and a different phrase should have been used.

[@andrewwingart228]

Im not a huge fan of ai. I think it kind of goes against the humanness of creating something ( who knows maybe as time goes by ill be proven wrong about that); Unless you are using it as a reference and not the final product. Then by all means go for it. But that being said. I think your Anime rock paper scissors looked great because you are all very skilled at your craft. Your taste is very specific and you have the skill and the knowledge of how to move forward solving problems. I think the only issue i had was that you used the screencaps from vampire d bloodlust art as your base . If the Dataset is ethical and you pay an artist (or draw the art yourself) for a certain look then I'll check it out and cheer you on as you explore this new avenue of making movies and telling stories. Hope ep.2 goes well and production isn't super stressful.

[@HYETUSENGINEER]

Great job addressing the social media criticism and you guys are funny!

[@jay4759]

I don't think it's too bad. Art is a lot like porn. There's already too much, but we just keep making more every year. Ai might as well throw some more onto the pile...

[@Mash229]

You guys need to talk and debate with the people who have an opposing view to your AI use instead of just ridiculing them and pretending its a minority (its not). These podcasts are just acting as echo chamber sessions to try and justify to yourselves why you think its ok to use.

[@MrMarsFargo]

You are collectively quite naive if you genuinely do not understand that your statement "AI isn't going to replace animators" has in fact *ALREADY HAPPENED* Lucasfilm primarily used AI as opposed to actual VFX artists to generate the de-aged Harrison Ford in "Dial of Destiny." My friends in animation are already losing work, because studios are relying on AI generated art instead. Animators already can't pay rent, or keep a roof over their head, because the industry is furloughing more and more of them. That's all before AI, and the rise of it at VFX and animation studios in the last year alone has radically increased. It could not be more clear from your understanding of the backlash against your video that you know nothing of firsthand exposure or meaningful value about the state of the animation industry. So if you're going to be pedantic and condescending about it? Why don't you go ahead and tell my best friend -- an unemployed animator -- to their face that their job "hasn't been replaced by AI," when it already has?

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

So more copyright infringement coming.

[@ChadHutsebautfilms]

They said in the podcast they are working with an illustrator to draw the images they are training the model on, so no. There is not any copyright infringement coming.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@ChadHutsebautfilms but they will find another way to hate on it

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

@@ChadHutsebautfilms Okay that’s good then. I still have concerns for the industry.

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT You shut up.

[@mf--]

​@@ChadHutsebautfilms did they though? Sounds like to they used stable diffusion to make a few kid faces

[@Topbeehler]

Why the hell am I being recommenced this? Ya think they'd get the hint when I un subbed from aging tech bro wannabes. I guess at the very least their work has made me less worried about Ai, if this is all that shit can do we don't have nothing to fear

[@tomagee420]

This "haters propel me forward" mentality is only arrogance. Do the work to find the real issue behind your mistakes. You know better so do better.

[@kreynusr4242]

I love your guys content. Much love

[@DarthTurkey28]

I’m so happy you guys watch the AI president stuff too! I love the series where they play DND. The clay bit KILLED me! I almost spit out my soda.

[@Monkeylordz88]

The claymation bit gave me one of the biggest laughs I've had in a while! Love it.

[@BoobaMilkTea]

Uh oh 😅

[@raulespinosa4427]

I don´t like how everyone is blindingly agreeing with this, i know it's a "passion proyect" for this guys but they're exactly everything that's wrong with A.I. art, they sound like a bunch of tech bros who dont care about the actual art, with all the "democraticing" the animation medium and shit, like, animation is the most accesible medium there is, all you need is a pencil and paper, and this is a studio, and you guys KNOW animators in the industry, you could've just hire them, or do it like your other anime IRL videos, and it would've been fine, but you CHOSE to do it the AI way, and "justifying" it by saying, "you can now do your own anime" but it just feels so disingenuine, bc you can do that since forever, just draw. Instead, tell big studios that you can fire artists and animators bc you don't need them anymore, can just type some prompts into a website and get a piece of "art" made from stolen art from real artists. Because that's what it is, AI doesn't "take inspiration" from a style like a human does, it literally uses the art of other people. Idk man, i just feel so disappointed bc i've been following corridor since 2012, and they've inspired me and a bunch of other artists to pursuit their dreams, and it just feels like a back stab.

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

Techbros are the leeches of society. The fact that people are celebrating the ability to bypass all artistic learning and honing of one's craft with art-stealing software is troubling. And the whole 'democratising' argument breaks because you are essentially exploding the supply side of the industry. If there is abundant supply, that product loses all value.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@SlacktivistWeeb you are using a tech device made by techbros right now while you are reading this reply

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT There is a difference between techbros and tech enthusiasts.

[@mf--]

​@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT that is not an argument

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@mf-- i know but i also didn't mean to start an argument i just thought it would be funny

[@markmark48]

Jake dropping wisdom at 21:12

[@alexhanna1341]

Can you use AI to create sounds? Downgrade digital recordings to analog quality. I'm thinking 80'S vibe feature film with the same sound and picture tone using modern technology.

[@bagpussunleashed9908]

See if you can get an AI claymation short to work.

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

What you guys are doing is awesome. Can't wait for Rock, Paper, Scissors Part II, III, IV, V, and so on 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@bagpussunleashed9908]

Traditional art skills... Here's an idea. Do another Bob Ross paint along vid, but this time everyone gets the same paint, palette canvass and brushes. No computers.

[@bagpussunleashed9908]

The tiger and donkey story made me think of two analogies. Pig wrestling.. wrestle all day with a pig, only to find that the pig enjoys it. Pigeon chess...You'll win easily, but the pigeon will strut around like it won the game anyway.

[@dannyg8032]

I never heard so much bullshit and wishful thinking in one hour, in my life

[@anapple.4338]

Explain

[@JulianAbreu]

That was Claysy

[@XeropointArt]

The technology isn't a problem. In fact, it's really freaking cool. But this is removing many people's ability to make a living doing something they love. It doesn't stop anyone from being an artist. It just diminishes artists' monetary value. Money isn't why most of us got into art, but paying bills allows us to follow passion over paycheck. This technology takes away one of the few things keeping people out of soul-sucking desk jobs. It's taking something that was already undervalued and reducing its value even further. The tech is fine. It's just a tool. But you really do come off as arrogant tech bros when you can look so deeply into why it's okay, but immediately dismiss working artists' fear as illegitimate. We aren't haters. Many of us who are worried really look up to you guys. But, you not having any concern at all for us, the fans who are worried about how they're going to buy food, is what bothers me the most.

[@CorridorCrew]

We’ve spent our whole careers being able to make films because it’s been getting cheaper and easier, not more expensive. If we follow your line of thinking then filmmakers were better off when cameras were expensive film-eating behemoths, but that’s simply not the case. The value of an artist isn’t based off how hard it is to use the tools (nor should it be). Our entire careers have been born from this fact, but it’s been in the video realm rather than the digital art realm. I also feel like those that say these tools are eliminating artist jobs have not really worked hands-on with the tech, because it is far from that simple. Nor do I feel like anyone can really point to any industry shifts in employment. It’s not happening at the moment. Anyone saying jobs are being eliminated is really saying “I theorize that jobs will be lost. at some point in the future.” Will things change in the future? Certainly. Will it be bad for artists? I really don’t think so, and I can point to my twenty years of experience in digital video as my example. -Niko

[@XeropointArt]

@@CorridorCrew I'll clarify: I can't speak for everyone, but the problem I have specifically is you and those around you acting as if the concern isn't valid. You're not doing it intentionally, so I'm not angry necessarily. But this is how it's playing out in my mind: A group of people actively benefitting from not needing to hire people like me is telling me not to worry. That doesn't seem a tiny bit disrespectful to you? I'm not trying to predict the future, I'm worried about my place in it. Don't stop innovating. Don't stop experimenting. That's what we all love about Corridor. The only thing I want Corridor to stop doing is acting like we're crazy for being concerned.

[@CorridorCrew]

@@XeropointArthere’s nothing wrong with being concerned, and I completely understand where it’s coming from. But as someone who is hands-on with these tools, I find that a lot of the concern stems from outrage-bait KZbinrs hunting for clicks and feeding people half-truths and outright lies. As someone on the front lines, I’m not trying to be dismissive. Quite the contrary, I’m trying to be honest. I really don’t think there is validity in the “this is going to make artists obsolete” mindset, and if someone has those concerns, I’m trying to communicate that they may want to reapproach that belief. I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint in an understanding and positive way, though. I wish more people did the same. -Niko

[@XeropointArt]

@@CorridorCrew And thank you for hearing me out. We're both coming at this from different perspectives, so I don't expect us to suddenly reach an agreement here. I'm still worried, but I know your heart's in the right place. That's why I still watch.

[@daveweinstock]

@@CorridorCrew ​ "I find that a lot of the concern stems from outrage-bait KZbinrs hunting for clicks and feeding people half-truths and outright lies." There is plenty of hyperbole on Twitter/KZbin but in my subjective experience I've seen most of the concern coming from professional artists who work in the film and video game industry. Stephen Zapata for instance, is a well-known illustrator, and he's one of the more prominent critics on KZbin. Just look at what happened over on Artstation. In my personal discussions with other artists there is a lot of concern over where this is going, what we can actually use from these tools(legally speaking), and a few artists I've spoken with are frankly disgusted by them. When midjourney first came out my mind went to a story about the concept art industry in the early 2000s. Supposedly there was a pretty big backlash to "photobashing"(the process of taking photographs and photoshopping/painting over them into concept art). People called it lazy, uninspired etc, until it came out that a prominent artist used them in his work. Then a huge chunk of the industry followed suit. This current AI trend may be similar to that, but as I've seen the growth of these tools I'm starting to think it's going to be a complete paradigm shift and the more I read into the subject the more I'm hesitant to embrace these tools and begin to wonder where the artists place in all this will be. If you've seen the doc Light & Magic on Disney+, there's a section in there about model-makers/stop-motion artists post-Jurassic Park. For most they either learned to sit on a computer all day, which I imagine was very hard for people use to working with their hands all day in a workshop, or you got out. I think that's what may be in store for a lot of artists. It was a sudden and faster than expected shift to redundancy. Ultimately Machine Learning has the ability to drastically alter the entertainment landscape(and more). I'm not so sure how it will play out, but I'm very cautious and seeing how things run in the trenches doesn't necessarily give me much hope in a equitable future for artists.

[@heresyourproblem9939]

Why not take real photos of Nikki as a kid convert those to anime and then use that set on Nikos older face?

[@rcnewman51.]

“Hey I don’t know if you guys know but I’m still sitting on a clay mine, I think we got like ten good Pinocchio’s!” One of the best pod eps in a minute! Needed a good laugh today!

[@SeamlessR]

Imagine if we went from the first stupid machine that could be called a car to a full on Ford F-150 by 1906. We make jokes about the horse and buggy industry, but how much damage to the literal life of workers dependent on that industry would have come from such a leap in such a short time? Tech happens, changes happen, but this one is particularly vast and particularly fast. No one working in digital media thought they'd need to right angle their lives 5 months ago. Very few people working in digital media can do that. So they'll resist it. I love the stuff happening and there's no stopping it but I can absolutely understand the confusion and rage around it.

[@james2749]

I want davinci to track me when I colour grade footage so that it can learn my grading style and then automatically do that to new footage

[@wickedwookie]

lol Man I love Jakes Dad Wisdoms!

[@thecozyfeather]

As an artist I love the idea that I could make my own show with my style! This is going to make movie making so much more accessible and maybe it'll make big corporations actually put more effort into their stuff instead of another live action Disney remake or the watered down Disney plus shows lol

[@martmart.]

eyyyyyy i love you guys!🔥

[@thegamedevcave]

I am very Pro AI in pretty much every way but I also try to be realistic. every time this discussion comes up on this podcast I feel like it's a little too dismissive. A.I. image generation and tools like it WILL cost jobs. It's true that it gives the average person more power to create something better with a lower time and skill requirement and from a purely artistic perspective that's amazing. but in the real world, fast processes means less people are needed for the same output. and the creative directors of any given project wont feel that, but the people putting in the actual hours of work that get (partly) replaced by machines certainly will. The argument against that would be " well they'll just make more" but in our modern media landscape there already is an insane oversaturation of content, I personally will skip watching certain things at times, despite wanting to watch it, because there literally just isn't enough time in the day to eat,sleep,work and watch everything I wanna see before the next episodes come out. so that's not really an option too. in an ideal world, where making money isn't as relevant as it is right now, A.I. replacing jobs with more democratized art is amazing, but in the world we currently live in, there are real consequences that the crew tends to underestimate in my opinion.

[@ArifRWinandar]

Oversaturation of content sounds more like a viewer problem than a creator problem.

[@thegamedevcave]

@@ArifRWinandar it means that viewerbases are more spread out. again, not an issue when it comes to art but it does become significantly more difficult to monetize your art when there is fewer people watching it, which isn't an issue artistically speaking. but as to my point of A.I. costing jobs, that's pretty relevant to creators...

[@ArifRWinandar]

@@thegamedevcave that's what has always been happening with art since forever, AI doesn't really bring anything new in that regard.

[@ArifRWinandar]

@@thegamedevcave unless you're suggesting that creators should form a guild that limits who can and can't be a creator?

[@thegamedevcave]

@@ArifRWinandar that's true but for a long time, that wasn't a problem, now, even before A.I. really takes off,we already are reaching a point where there is more art to consume than can be consumed, leading to the issues i mentioned before. A.I. doesn't create a new problem here, that I agree with but it speeds up an issue that's already present. If you go back to the first sentence of my original comment you'll note that I am very pro A.I. and I think that the artistic freedom it brings is very important but dismissing any concerns of people losing their jobs to new technologies is naive at best...

[@ArifRWinandar]

I really want to share this podcast with people who are against AI imagery but I'm afraid that would just start more rounds of meaningless arguments.

[@nyaaanjake]

Another great episode of the Clay Cast

[@CorridorCrew]

haha

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

no fucking way i never thought you guys would actually make a sequel. this is awesome

[@QuantumPurple]

Excited to see the next RPS video!

[@adambeaumont2534]

AI is taking jobs away from kids!!!

[@Nnja4268]

I am a VFX Supervisor, I've been a champion of Machine Learning in our industry for a while, and a lot of fellow employees think I'm begging to destroy the industry or be on a UBI. I completely agree with you guys on this front, and I also have a hard time not arguing endlessly about this technological revolution. I wish I could show everyone this podcast episode. I love you guys and always have! I'm a subscriber as well, as someone in VFX you guys have my dream job and I love to support you! Keep up all the great work guys!!!!

[@iliketowatchutoob]

AI will make it easier to make art, but harder to make a living as an artist.

[@easygoingdude9990]

These tools need to be used to support people not replace them. Please show the industry how to do it right 🙏.

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

The biggest lie.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@SlacktivistWeeb so you're saying that it should replace people instead of helping them????

[@SlacktivistWeeb]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT It will replace people. Not just help them. People keep saying that it will only help you but not replace you but no, the truth is with modern generative AI, it will replace people.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@SlacktivistWeeb and that's 30 seconds wasted that you could have used to find a way to survive the AI revolution

[@easygoingdude9990]

@@SlacktivistWeeb given a choice I would have this shit regulated into the ground. Unfortunately that’s not going to happen because of corporate greed. Seeing as that is the case I want people as influential as corridor to set an example for how to use these tools responsibly. Hopefully that will lead to fewer people losing their livelihoods.

[@ngfaentertainment963]

The film vs digital type of argument is still happening in audio with analog vs digital. To be fair in audio there are legitimate differences in equipment that can impact sound quality but the simple routing logic and emulating abilities of digital tools is at a point where I believe we're just on the tail end of that era and newer sound engineers won't have ever had any experience or even seen an analog sound desk.

[@scheeseman486]

It isn't really a debate, at least not a technical one. The differences that exist are just defects in audio/video capture and processing when using analog methods. One can make the argument that those defects make the end result subjectively better, and they may or may not be right, but since those defects are quantifiable they can be recreated digitally. It can be fun and romantic to use the old ways, but if you're creating something where you want full control over the output, you go digital.

[@234fddesa]

@@scheeseman486 idk, if you're aiming in terms of efficiency, and you want the older, imperfect sound, then the analog still makes sense as a route, because you have to spend more time fiddling with a DAC to make it sound analog than you would if you just had the analog shit right there in front of you.

[@scheeseman486]

@@234fddesa There's filters available for pro audio applications that can do it for you in a few clicks.

[@realityjump]

My mondays become 10x better when y’all post the cast!

[@shoocharu]

Regarding your "The Values of Traditional Art Skill & Techniques" part of the video, I think honestly what set most animators off in the first place was the timing of your video release. Because things aren't super great for animators right now in regards to available work. A lot of animators go months without being able to find any work that actually pays enough for them to buy food, simply because the businesses who actually still make animations make less and less animation. The idea then, that you guys have discovered something that could potentially mean that people don't really need animators anymore obviously set a lot of people off. A giant beacon has been lit telling every corporation (who already are cheap as hell and want so save money where they can) that they don't need to hire animators at all anymore. Sure it is true that we all became artists to create art and have fun, but we also want to be able to pay rent and eat food. I think most animators don't really care that anybody can create awesome looking animations now, I think they are just worried about how they are going to be able to make money doing what they love, which as I stated, is already damn near impossible in this day and age. It used to be that you got hired by a studio and then you worked full time. Now it is way more common to be hired by a studio and work for a few weeks or months, and then be jobless again. Corporations like Netflix and Disney are already creating so few animations that studios can't even go a full year without looking for the next project to have their animators work on. In the end, I don't think any backlash from animators was personal, it just happened to be you guys who discovered this first. P.S. I am glad to hear that you decided to create your own art style for part 2!

[@XylessBrawl]

omg it's a wild Shoocharu

[@rubblereport]

also an animator here, work does seem slow but there are other factors like economic downturn, the backlash to this rock paper scissors video seems really uncalled for. I know it could be coming but i still havent seen any use of AI that is anywhere near close to replacing animators yet. I loved the rock paper scissors video but it looks like rotoscoping which is more like motion capture than animation. No one has ever asked for a motion capture or rotoscoped look on any jobs i've worked on, it's not really a desirable look in most cases. I think it would be possible soon to do rough animation by hand and then use AI to do the clean up / colouring (which is the painful part anyway but would also cut some people out as it would require smaller teams) but the actual movement of characters I don't see being cracked for a while, at least for the moment. Illustrators and designers I feel more worried for though! How sweeping machine learning's effect will be i think we'll have to wait and see but people losing jobs due to automation has happened before in lots of other industries, it could be our turn soon unfortunately. Maybe some new legislation would help, but I think saying people shouldn't use it isnt very helpful, you have to let people experiment and let technology grow, its how we got here and are able to work the way we do in the first place.

[@Franjolos]

@@rubblereport "but the actual movement of characters I don't see being cracked for a while, at least for the moment." The rate in which AI has improved over the last year proves that this take is pretty naïve, all things considered. Not too long ago it was 'AI is cool but can't make the final product so artists will still have jobs touching stuff up". Not the case anymore and it will only get better.

[@JanbluTheDerg]

I focussed on the cost of it argument because I went to a university that did have a couple animation courses but couldn't afford that great PC's to work on. I was considered fortunate because I could get a good PC to work on (for game dev), but even my PC isn't good enough for training yet. But I do see your point.

[@nadiaplaysgames2550]

You can also rent things out onto a render farm if you need to at least in the short term if you need. Even them and rtx 3060 ti which is what can do about 80% of what most of a can-do

[@SpeedRacerx89]

Anime Rock Paper Scissors 2: This time, it's personal.

[@SiCKOO]

Almost cathartic in a way to hear that the social media outrage didn't, for the most part, get to you. Very excited to see how you'll continue to utilize AI and improve those types of videos!

[@Tactics0110]

Perspective comes with time people will change their opinion on things hopefully for the better and we get to see some awesome stuff in the future!

[@mf--]

It will be fun to spend a lifetime dunking on poorly managed image generators.

[@ginogarcia8730]

Jake out here doing Freud's work

[@XylessBrawl]

I enjoyed RPS a lot (especially after watching the behind the scenes) but definitely was put off by the use of Vampire Hunter D as the reference sheet. I also assumed, however, that it was used more because it was a proof of concept more than anything else. Definitely looking forward to how this one looks with an original style sheet.

[@ac.creations]

It's that hand drawn anime style they wanted.

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

@@ac.creations and since they have an Artist on staff they could just draw character sheets based on that style then it would be their art.

[@ac.creations]

@TheVisualDigitalArts I think that's basically what they are doing for #2. They said this one has all in house assets.

[@iliketowatchutoob]

Stable Diffusion is built on stolen art

[@danielhead8123]

I love ur work I watched many reactors loving ur video

Fantastic video.

[@Vyrewolf]

Isn't it rock, paper, and crossed blades?

[@RhysKSmith02]

Technically, but that’s more in-universe

[@KillerTacos54]

I think it was a smart decision not to address the discourse and just carry on. No matter what, people were gonna get angry and nothing good would’ve come of it. Nonetheless, Scamboli Reviews (a very prolific KZbinr in the anime space) made a great video defending you guys. Recommend viewers to check it out

[@allthingsnerdy5474]

😂

[@Carljouannet]

Good way to start my Monday 👍

[@mtminded4498]

Can’t wait for Rock Paper Scissors II!

[@Nathgamer]

Heck yeah

[@quntface1518]

I feel like a lot of the anger directed at the AI animation videos are just ignorance/mis-understanding.

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

As long as they are not using a database with stolen art from the internet and asked to use the reference photos im all for it.

[@XylessBrawl]

It's not really ignorance, it's specifically using other artists' work (the animators for Vampire Hunter D) for reference instead of their own original art direction for training the AI. If they worked with the artists whose art they use to train the animation pipeline (which it sounds like they're doing for RPS 2), it'd be seen as way less problematic.

[@LadyStrella]

@@XylessBrawl its a 23 year old animation, honestly if it wasn't for walt disney's bullshit it should've been public domain already, authors and artists should legally own all rights to their creations but not for their whole life plus 70 years, if anything those laws only hinder art for the sake of giving more money to big corporations

[@mf--]

​@@XylessBrawl agreed. Cannot make a software based on misappropriated assets ethical. If they have their inhouse artist illustrate their characters, that would be their own creation.

[@iliketowatchutoob]

@@mf-- Nah, Stable Diffusion itself is still built on stolen art.