Anna Lembke On The Neuroscience of Addiction: Our Dopamine Nation | Rich Roll Podcast

Psychiatrist & Stanford professor Dr. Anna Lembke joins Rich to discuss the neuroscience of modern addiction, dopamine fasting, the opioid crisis & more. To read more about Dr. Lembke and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll623
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:39 - Primer for Today's Conversation
00:11:40 - Defining Addiction
00:16:47 - Anyone Can Form an Addiction
00:18:28 - There Doesn't Need to Be a Reason Behind Addiction
00:23:14 - Dr. Lembke's Dual Diagnosis Method
00:26:03 - The Neurochemistry of Addiction
00:29:19 - We Live in a World Saturated with Dopamine
00:32:24 - Drug of Choice
00:38:25 - Voicing Change
00:39:25 - Pain - Pleasure Paradox
00:40:25 - Dr. Lembke's Patients are Her Heroes
00:42:19 - Rechanneling an Addict's Energy to Fill Their Need
00:43:14 - Rich's Recovery
00:45:12 - The Value of AA
00:50:53 - What's the Brain Chemistry of a Withdrawal
00:57:34 - The Truth and Vulnerability of Sharing Addiction Stories
01:01:05 - We're All Vulnerable to the Fundamental Problem of Addiction
01:05:25 - Addiction Among Highly Educated Professionals
01:08:56 - Disclosing Personal Struggles as a Psychatrist
01:12:31 - Addiction by the Numbers
01:17:40 - The Opioid Crisis
01:31:34 - How Are We Redressing the Crisis?
01:40:14 - The Proliferation of Cannabis & Psychedelics
01:50:40 - The Effects of Vaping Among Teens
01:52:19 - How to Identify a Potential Addict
01:56:24 - The Hard Balance for Parents
02:06:02 - How Does Addiction Get Passed Genetically?
02:08:41 - Going on a Dopamine Fast
02:15:16 - Closing Remarks
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[@richroll]

Thanks for watching - I hope you find it helpful and share it with those in your life who are struggling right now. To read more and peruse the show notes visit: bit.ly/richroll623

[@nateshattuck4353]

Excellent interview thanks Rich

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

wow...what an eye opener. Thank you Rich.

[@kevinfischer4759]

I've been listening to this for the last few days and it helps me with my addiction issues. You always have the most insightful guests and these podcasts are like therapy to me. Thank you.

[@redskelton4245]

What is with the old thumbnail pic? You addicted to vanity?

[@westkootenaywild7658]

Thank you so much for this. 🙏

[@jdmagalis9371]

I would consider a few hours spent with Dr. Lembke the equivalent to winning the lottery. What a wise,humble,thoughtful, transparent, generous, highly intelligent human being. Wonderful interview! Thank you.

[@pavelskop305]

Exactly right! ❤

[@westkootenaywild7658]

100%. She is just brilliant.

[@TonyEdwards1010]

Agreed.

[@kellylawrence5986]

I love all your podcasts, but this one inspired me into action; I went to my first meeting and picked up white chip! I need this to work so I can be present for my 2 sweet baby girls and their father. Thank you 🙏

[@manleynelson9419]

I've picked up hundreds of white chips. Sincere every time. Failed until I succeeded. Keep showing up and sharing. It works if you work it

[@daedra40]

I am happy for you :) And I wish you the best

[@jimmyramos3364]

Congrats Kelly. It's been a week I hope your feeling OK. It can hard in the beginning but the beauty in it is the restoration of yourself. Take care of yourself all other relationships will fall in place in time. ✌❤

[@BrianDeCosta]

You're a badass Kelly!

[@xavinaut]

Well done Keep with it I'm coming up 6 months After 32 years of abuse

[@djinniusdjinni]

Gosh I love hearing that the aim is not to try and escape the dopamine circus wheel, because it's impossible anyway, it's about carefully taking a look at your own dopamine triggering activities and judging if they are harmful to yourself and others, what their consequences are and if they are worth pursuing or dumping.

[@margaretfriis965]

2.5 months sober because of AA! It feels great!😊

[@judymanning2538]

I enjoy listening to the speakers mtgs on you tube. ❤

[@noneone8726]

all you have done is swap an addiction to a substance for an addiction to meetings, slogans, cult thinking, coffee and cigarettes.

[@DM-nw5lu]

none one Since when does AA promote the use of cigarettes and coffee? Just sounds like you're projecting. Finding a group of people who understand you isn't a bad thing. It helps people.

[@jamestopham7744]

Nice

[@jamesechevarria6177]

@@noneone8726 a better qualified Life

[@ryanhilton7810]

"You already had a spiritual awakening. You did it by hitting bottom, and crawling your way back out again." This remark, within the exchange starting at 1:45:00, is deeply, remarkably profound. It is clear that both Rich and Dr. Lembke are gripped by the words they share here. Fascinating.

[@a.a.sanfrancisco6078]

Finding a recovered life, is a spiritual experience regardless what you choose to believe in as a higher power. The belief that others got sober or clean using a program of action, can be an adequate Higher Power for many. Discovering the stories I had created to rationalize the destruction of my moral code, my base belief systems, to support the insanity alcoholism created, will continue to be a spiritual journey.

[@JaneASmyth]

I agree. This comment to Rich made me teary. So much compassion. Stay strong!

[@a.a.sanfrancisco6078]

@BullShark Alcoholism and addictions highjack the mind. For many, a spiritual awakening is simply learning that what you thought was real, was actually a delusion. Usually created by the drug. For others, they get connected to their inner voice, the language of the heart, that gut feeling most folks ignore even when getting ready to do something that could get them in trouble. Others still, have a spiritual awakening of sorts. They get invested in religions, spiritual gurus, spiritual practices. A simple spiritual practice could be meditation or many types of Yoga.

[@burrkut]

I agree with you, Ryan.

[@the.bonsai.samurai]

@@a.a.sanfrancisco6078 I liked you answer, thank you! Having a spiritual awakening does not mean the heavens open up, angels start singing and God speaks to you, like it is romanticized in pop culture these days. It's something much more simplistic and that's why most people cannot actually have this awakening, they are waiting or looking for something grandiose to happen to them.

[@artyshmunzuk5435]

She totally changed my view on my addiction and actually alleviated a lot of my pain. Everyone should know about her work. It would make the world much better place

[@TheWdayton]

Her presence online is super helpful for people who don’t have a lot of resources. Her insights really resonate while most of what we hear about addiction is made up by people who don’t have real experience to inform their opinions. Congrats on your own journey.

[@prabhanjanavramagiri8208]

You have to hear the Huberman Podcast with her.

[@fiennesite]

As a trauma counselor..I am constantly wrestling with helping people with dual diagnoses of addictions and other mental health diagnoses. I am finding we really cannot do the tougher trauma work until people have a handle on their addiction. However, as people become sober, the depression and anxiety, the truth about self-medicating do become evident. How do they fill that gap...how to cope with all those uncomfortable feelings once the substance is gone? I absolutely believe the problem is 80% environmental..that work lives are so much less satisfying, that we are more isolated than ever, medication basically balances the scales so people can cope with the demands if the automated technical, dehumanizing nature of life and work. I spend so much time helping people accept...you are not broken..the world is broken...and until we can make changes in the world, how we are treated...we have to use medications, healthy self-care, spirituality to hopefully heal addictions. But as they said in the video..some people cannot live in this world with their brain that has been changed from trauma, chronic stress, without medications.

[@lalailm]

I loved this comment. Agree with 100%. We accepted that medication and other ways treatments for mental health are just a way of dealing with the world now, and it is whats it is… when in reality, sometimes we should be changing what this world is and what it expects of humans today. Our bodies and physiology did not evolve in the same pace as our way of life

[@angelawilliamson6765]

I can see you wrote your comment a year ago, I just have to say I wholeheartedly relate to your hypothesis, we do live in a really unhealthy Society set up to isolate us, creating so much distrust & fear, how many of us feel we are just a cog in a very big machine in the system. I attend a 12-step al-anon program, just so I can hear real talk. And try to understand why relationships in general feel like hard. Thanks for your intuitive comment. 👍🙏🏼

[@Kali08012]

You comment reminds me of Aldous Huxley’s book The Brave New World, where all of society takes a pill to suppress their emotions, in response to a unnatural way of life. That book was extremely eye opening to me.

[@SuperLammens]

It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profound sick culture

[@SuperLammens]

1:16:37 I do think self medication with any cortisol. Lowering substance to escape cortisol triggering thoughts is normal in a culture where human Basic needs are not meet

[@robertahlborg9235]

I am a RN who has spent half a 37 year career working in corrections and Behavioral health. I found this conversation spot on in its message and contentions. At the same time it was relaxed and incredibly humble, thank you both. I go to work tonight a little less jaded and slightly more empathetic. Bob Ahlborg RN

[@Ava_B.]

Bless you for your open mindedness. ❤

[@joshcarey2916]

Cheers Bob, I found sobriety and then got my RN license to help others with mental health and addiction. Such an amazing and rewarding career, it’s hard but I believe I was meant to serve in this way.

[@karenscookingkorner]

My son-in-law died from a ‘heroin’ overdose at 36 years old. It turned out to be 100% Fentynol. Sorry for the bad spelling. His 3 children found him. He leaves behind my daughter and 4 beautiful kids.......THANK YOU for your work Anna!

[@judymanning2538]

I am so sorry ❤

[@TheWdayton]

So sorry for your loss. Some folks forget that addicts are people too and rarely wanted to be addicts. Your son will be remembered tonight with compassion and understanding by a man he never met.

[@beholden1663]

My heartfelt condolences and prayers especially for your late son’s 3 children that they can heal from the trauma of seeing their daddy dead. Your son was not a bad person and there is no Shame in addition. It’s usually a cry out for connection. His soul lives eternally in the spiritual world. It is okay to grieve as long as you want. 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️

[@Kali08012]

How awful! 😢

[@missaomagica2198]

Just want to sent you and youre family a big hug

[@jorgeromera3861]

A real pleasure listening to these well articulated wise people about such a pivotal and difficult issue in current society.

[@stacielivinthedream8510]

Amen! 😇😍😊🙏♥️

[@chrisr4679]

Her message it's really big. We need more people like her. She has shared a lot with the world about how to have a better life and more if you have struggled with addiction.

[@nommh]

Wow I‘m so happy I don‘t need a story to explain my addiction. My parents were such well meaning people and there was no major trauma in my life. The hard part may be to find the right kind of help. But I‘m inspired to do that now.

[@bettyboo1927]

I have found listening to Annie Grace really helpful with alcohol addiction, you might too? She’s utterly relatable and science based 👍

[@kimpuchek1956]

@@bettyboo1927 I’ll take this suggestion for another look at something that I might bite into. Not having some major trauma that we can remember, doesn’t mean that we haven’t experienced several small traumas along the way that have affected us.

[@tragikk03]

I tried heroin the first time at 14.. injecting daily by 15. I quit at 27, after lots of attempts, and started abusing other drugs. If I had people like you two in my life it wouldn't have taken this long to figure things out. Appreciate yall putting this info out there for the masses.

[@jimmyramos3364]

Sometimes wanting is not enough. The craving and the obsession will not allow it. The power of choice disappears until we reach for the hand of that power greater than ourselves . ✌❤

[@floxendoodle942]

Amazing podcast! The part of the podcast where Rich talked about being raised in an “achievement-oriented household” really resonated with me. I don’t know if this is the case in all such households but, in my case, it was just a mask for conditional love. I figured out from a very young age that if I wanted my parents’ love, validation, and attention, I would have to perform. Neither of my parents were emotionally available so, when I did perform, I usually just got emotional breadcrumbs. When I raised my own children, both of whom are adults now, I made it a point to tell them often (and still do) that they are loved unconditionally, that they have intrinsic worth apart from their accomplishments, and that there is nothing they can do to make me love them any more than I already do. Both are still motivated to achieve things in life but it is for the right reasons and not to get their parents’ love.

[@paulocarvalho4070]

Hey, man. This is gold and can change broken parenting relationships. Thank you so much for sharing this. Peace!

[@allyson--]

;_;

[@fahmidaseraji369]

We experienced this kind of parenting in many south Asian households. This kind of acheivement oriented love finally makes you numb and depressed, especially if you ever fail to fulfil their expectation when you reach 25.

[@linedallaire6637]

My cousin, a psychologist, was always repeating this: PEOPLE ARE IN DEEP MOURNING..... THEY LOST SOMETHING THAT THEY LOVED OR CHERISHED AND ONLY A FEW CAN OVERCOME THE LOSS. Is losing an addiction that leaves a hole in your life?

[@CRISPSolutions]

This was legendary... Goggins, Huberman and now Lembke!! Extremely grateful to you and your team Rich.

[@alexanderalexander9759]

Growing up in a screen world, my first dopamine hits came from playing lego racers on the PC. I found myself going to the computer every morning with my coffee when I grew up. The other day I did a dopamine detox and noticed how much my mind would gravitate back towards wanting to go on the computer. Addiction comes in many different outlets, I feel like habitual practises can lead to addiction in such a subtle way. Just being & meditating has helped my attachments to things lesson but discipline needs to be applied.

[@dandamerville]

Hi, Alexander X 2 -- I appreciate your comment. Yes, something about "Just being & meditating" that seems to both mitigate the crash from over-doing dopamine and steer the regular meditator away from chasing D.. It might be as simple as cognitively reframing the depression flavored anhedonia that inevitably follows a dopamine hike: "Hey, I'm not simply bumming because I overdid dopamine, I'm meditating like a champ." It could be something more subtle at the neurochemical level -- if one persists with meditation, their mind learns to feed itself serotonin, creating peaceful contentment (and focus) instead of craving dopamine. For whatever reason, meditation works to alleviate the ups an downs of both exaggerated dopamine chasing and everyday life. Take care, DAN

[@neelakan678]

Nature is dopamine hit number 1

[@neelakan678]

Addicts had a dozen or more doctors. Biden just made those dollars worth 10-? Percent less.

[@neelakan678]

Suburbia is an alien-Nation. Rebuild cities and burbs to include community.

[@bjoussema2766]

Aside from the knowledge that Dr Lembke carries in her mind, I'm deeply moved by the level of compassion and humility that this woman/mother carries in her heart. If anyone here can reach out to her, I would love for her to get a copy of the Quran and to be introduced to the teaching Islam (its morals and values) that she inadvertently preaches: the importance of a higher power in our lives, the critical role of the community/family, the fact that this life is nothing but a test and how that empowers the muslims in face of tribulations, having compassion for the one who's struggling and eventually coming at his/her aid ...

[@StickHits]

20:40 really changed my perspective, up until now I felt inferior that I did not have specific trauma to blame for addiction, and that was making detox a lot harder, not having anyone to be mad at but yourself

[@chadhiggins9944]

This is one of the best conversations I've listened to in the last decade. Absolutely remarkable.

[@hdarst]

30 years as an addition counselor, and I agree wholeheartedly with this reaction to the podcast!

[@puppetmaster706]

Ahhhhh, the limits we put on ourselves in crazy. At the end of the day, we all want to be happy, but many times when we want or “need” something but can’t get that satisfaction at that moment, our brains trick us into finding a reason/excuse to not be happy, and our dopamine goes down bc of our thoughts . You become what you think.

[@femchud9255]

Anna Lembke is incredible. Her knowledge, compassion, and ability to communicate her thoughts make for such a great listen.

[@ekasubjectus91]

I feel like Anna Lembke is like embodied angel on this planet and I am so happy to find about her existence. I really want to read her books...

[@cube435]

I have taken Suboxone for nearly 13 years, same dose of 1 mg per day the entire time. It has enabled me to have a full and happy life! Zero AA, therapy, or any other intervention. Those things are great but never appealed to me. Thank you for the informative convo.

[@ChukwumaOnyeijeMD]

Bought the book. Found myself saying "Wow" multiple times. Such an important discussion. Thank you, Rich.

[@jenniferhayes3396]

Excellent episode. I would love to see you interview Dr. Susan Pierce Thompson on the subject of food addiction. So many of us are incredibly vulnerable given our current food environment.

[@marliesyanke4580]

Yes, food addiction is very harmful, would like to learn more about that.

[@shinatkavolgas7389]

Addicted to these podcasts….

[@poetlaureate7334]

Her voice, is addictive to listen to. Ironically.

[@factsoverfiction7826]

Watching my friend's difficulty with diabetes dietary changes ... I've realized sugar is an addiction. Insulin just allows people to keep using their favorite drug. Our grocery shelves are full of sugar ... Even in bread, peanut butter, meats ... Even dog food. Crazy.

[@marliesyanke4580]

Sugar addiction is harming me, but i can't stop no matter how i try to stop eating it.

[@mikerayco]

True, I think the only way to mitigate this is to have regulation with the sugar content of foods sold in the supermarket.

[@debwehr5266]

So true, I am fighting my sugar addiction right now. I beat my nicotine addiction 4 months ago with no problem, sugar on the other hand I feel I will be fighting for a lifetime.

[@karlasnyder9856]

Just happened upon this the morning after a relapse. So much I could say but my takeaway is get back to AA. I’ve resisted for yrs. And I ll get the book. I’m so grateful for your honesty. Grateful for the info. It’s time. Looking up a mtg now.

[@purposedrivenrecoveryacademy]

This is so helpful! Just ordered your book Anna I’m going to add to my curriculum more of the neuroscience than I already have. I’ve been in recovery for 46 years, but started drinking after 10 and continue to drink for 10 more years before realizing it was a real problem and that’s when I discovered AA. I too am a therapist and find so many people that have an aversion to religion so I try to live my Christian faith and not be like so many others that are judge mental and feel it is a cult. My last book I wrote was a 12 step book that focuses on step 11, but also brings in some really helpful Bible verses that were transformational to me, as well as actually listening to my higher power and writing down what I heard him say. Kind of hard to do step 11 praying for the knowledge of God‘s will for us if you don’t listen to what he has to say about it :-) lol. Thank you for the podcast. I will begin listening to it, and looking forward to the kinship of recovery. Blessings to both of you.

[@Kali08012]

What is your book called?

[@purposedrivenrecoveryacademy]

@@Kali08012 Thanks for asking... My name is Linda Larson Schlitz

[@jimmieingram2081]

I really enjoyed this podcast and the light is shined on addiction. I would like to weigh in on the use of psychedelics for mental wellness treatment. I’ve struggled with depression my whole life and have found a great deal of help through ketamine infusions. I don’t see it as a cure all though. I still go to counseling, do breath work, ice baths and mediate. It’s just one tool that’s helped me see what’s possible in me. It’s not something I would say everyone should use but it has been helpful for me personally. I can completely understand your concern with it though. It could problematic for some. I appreciate your honesty and vulnerability. You have an inspiring story. Stay on the path brother🙏🏻

[@janmynders5257]

These two actually mirror each other. They look alike. Very good conversation. An addict who grew up in a high functioning alcohol & pharmacutacle drug dependent parents. Youngest of 4. 2 son's in recovery. The younger one is a clinical therapist in SanDiego , CA. His clients are from Hollywoid, Orange County etc. You get the gist. He just moved to the Executive Sover Living House that he runs with 6 clients from a house with q3 clients. He also runs a rehab as well. Based on behavior addictions and childhood trauma. From being homeless, in jails, hospitals, 2 NDE's. He is a miracle who performs miracles. Myself I have been watching Gaboe Mate. T U both

[@christinaforras]

They do look alike! 😱🪞

[@flxbl1]

Thank you both for this conversation.

[@meganhopkins1497]

Seriously I have a GED, I’ve been thinking all of these things for so long. It is both gratifying and terrifying to hear that I am most probably correct. The idea that the duality is absolutely necessary and as much as we push it aside will never go away. We will never escape it. It is profound and can be freeing for some but also extremely scary for others.

[@jessicadora7213]

one of the best podcasts I've ever seen on this topic. Yu are both very brave and honest, you are setting a great example. You guide us moving forward toward honesty, truth, and healing. Thank you!

[@justinmanning]

Thank you, Rich and Dr. Lembke!

[@JaneASmyth]

Excellent interview! Thank you both!

[@persistentviolinnoob126]

Wow. Can't wait to watch this. Thanks a lot Rich and Dr. Anna.

[@123Casio]

Two incredibly intelligent people. One of the greatest conversations I’ve heard about addiction and how the brain works. Wow, I’m just so impressed and looking forward to reading Dr. Lembke’s book. Thank you, Rich! Great show!

[@jasonvictor1798]

wow. gotta hand it to ya Rich and the team. Production value is next level!

[@laurenemery2502]

This was absolutely brilliant and so insightful. Thank you so much

[@larareynolds2765]

Dr Anna is excellent 👍. Thank you for having a great roll of guests, Rich. Peace.

[@bettyboo1927]

So insightful, compassionate and illuminating. Many thanks 🙏

[@litap24]

I finally watched this yesterday. Such an amazing interview with such an incredible doctore.

[@davidsimpson1905]

What a pleasant presence to have on the pod. Awesome human!

[@balajikandavel]

Amazing conversation. Thanks Rich

[@lulitmelake7534]

Your search for the truth answers all the questions I have . Thanks

[@nstuck222]

You 2 are fantastic, what awesome people to listen to in conversation - the compassion and empathy were tangible, so appreciate you both!

[@BrianDeCosta]

How can the human species overcome if we don't know what we're up against? Anna you're doing amazing work painting a picture of the "enemy" that is ourselves. Great discussion, thank you both

[@alaalfa8839]

The story that says that opioids help to experience some transcendental meditation experiences is nonsense..... because probably it works short-term. The body creates its own medicine and serotonin and adrenaline, melatonin dopamine and other chemicals. But as Dr. Joe Dispenza says these meditation experiences are not chemical... he says everybody thinks it's chemical, but it's not chemical but an "electro-magnetic" feeling. So how some drugs can make such an effect on meditation long-term? It's nonsense. It works only if you stop thinking about your identity and problems and focus only on goals or even the small goals in a humble way. I think if opioids make such an effect it's an accident, it's not every day, and it's also a very short-term effect. The ones who promote opioids and say it helps you and your wellbeing and mediation are just ignorant people who want to sell the drugs.

[@nueah]

This is so good! Everyone like this!! bc every person would benefit from this conversation.

[@jahninapamintuan1849]

Thank you for bringing wonderful people into your podcast Rich!

[@mariagriffin2221]

So much respect for the Dr. Great interview!! Thank you both!

[@michelleembs8551]

Great show! Thank you both!

[@karenscookingkorner]

Cannot wait to read Anna’s book! Thank you Anna for your work!

[@sammcloughlin1578]

this is incredible. Thanks so much!

[@shannonrolfes5171]

This was so helpful. Thank you!

[@eleanorbertuch135]

So very informative on so many levels. Thank you. This message so be shared with many👏👏👏👏👏

[@ChrisWakeford]

Rich this is a rock star interview-what a very special lady. Great insights for this time.

[@barbbrazes869]

Excellent interview! Thanks for this important information!

[@SebasCoghi]

Thank you so much for this insightful episode, I will definitely buy the book.

[@juicy_mango_paradise]

Completely mind blowing. Thanks!!

[@alumpyhorse]

Two wonderful people, with so much respect for each other and so much wisdom

[@rssoto8245]

amazing podcast -- Rich and rich roll team please keep up with the good work ...

[@ejholahan716]

Excellent show. Excellent guest. Bravi, Rich and Dr. Lembke!

[@angelikasusanne2830]

That was an absolutely amazing talk. It gives me a lot to think about. Thanks!

[@nandspeartree7263]

Ih my gosh, I was so glued listening towards the end when you both spoke about parenting, I have a teen and I'm so happy to hear you both talking about the same dilemmas I have and I definitely learnt a lot. Thanks Rich for these wonderful talks by the way I'm vegan for a year now because of you and your wonderful guests. 🌿

[@dannymeske3821]

Excellent Interview! Thank you!

[@MANIMartinofficial]

This is a life changing podcast. Thank you very much 🙏

[@AnAn-wp5rk]

Amazing interview. Thank you!

[@arunavaganguly2778]

This is a huge problem ....Thanks Dr Anna Lembke

[@erichmiller9567]

Hands down one of my most favorite RR episodes. Such an illuminating discussion. Thank you!

[@enasksenos]

I wish I could support you more, these podcasts are gold

[@BRM101]

Thanks guys this is an amazing podcast it’s my second time watching and it’s just the reminder I need right now. Much love from the UK

[@elissaaltman7684]

Thank you, thank you for this amazing conversation. No one to my mind has explained addiction so clearly. Greatly appreciative to both host and guest.

[@tanyasteininger5901]

What an incredible conversation. I have watched it twice and will keep at it. So much rich content, depth, balanced, graceful understanding between both of you.

[@rodneyjanz]

Rich and Anna - THANK YOU!!!

[@leslielamb8699]

Very informative !, and so interesting and eye-opening. Plus both Rich and Anna are enjoyable to listen too because of their honesty and humility...thank you

[@bangfruit]

Your story and program continue to inspire. Keep running YOUR race sir!

[@marciasteinbacher5688]

Trusting your kids to a certain degree is a must..love you both so much!

[@spngbobsquarepants8755]

Most excellent and timely. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this.

[@nicksince9487]

What an amazing conversation, super grateful for the time you both took to have this discussion

[@gronis9]

She is so good. Loved the book. Thank you both.

[@slovenkas7733]

It was such a pleasure to listen to you both.

[@gaelleduret]

Thank you both for sharing such valuable information. Amazing guest and host. I wish the whole world could listen to it.

[@Vineeth..v]

Dr Lembke met another Hero.. (Always love the quality of questions and energy of conversation)

[@sarahscharnett8233]

This kind of honesty sets us free.

[@EntirelyHonest]

Fantastic Podcast. Thank you so much for sharing Rich. As someone who has also struggled with addiction, this was very valuable. :) Sending love from Canada

[@christaknappen3355]

I really appreciate Dr. Lembke’s work and her objective, warm nature. This was a really great interview. She’s great in ALL of them.

[@alessandrofacciani7209]

I love this woman!Just read Dopamine Nation..Very very good..a pleasurable reading

[@joanowens7941]

Fabulous interview! She's wonderful and you sync wonderfully together. Please have her on again!

[@Beare.]

Brilliant. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@gmersman]

Thank you both for this!

[@big_red_machine3547]

Incredible interview. Glad that I found you Rich Roll. I’m hopelessly addicted to everything it seems. This new insight has motivated me to get back on my horse and try to achieve homeostasis again. It’s traumatic amount of hell to go through, but better than the alternative

[@lildebbie997]

I Love this lady. I also love all of the new doctors I'm "meeting" from Stanford as of late. Lastly, I just found your podcast Mr. Roll, and I appreciate already the people I see you have interviewed, and look forward to watching them all.

[@mirceafortuis1427]

I looove the medallion ! also the interview is golden, thank you for the great work of bringing this excellent content to us!

[@MohamedAshraf-fw1dc]

listened to this on stitcher I vouch for every bit of advice given in this podcast: I'd go as far as recommending having the youtube transcript of this episode available and going through it every now and then thank you so much Rich and Dr. Anna

[@22triggy]

Fantastic, thanks for taking the time to do this.