A Case For Old Gear

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Anne-Kathrin Dern

Anne-Kathrin Dern

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@billpeet1976
@billpeet1976 2 жыл бұрын
This is literally the worst news many viewers could receive. They want to believe they can buy their way to success. It's a lot harder, and takes much longer, to actually learn the fundamentals of composition and orchestration. Thanks for showcasing this point; a lot of people need to hear it.
@CharlesK441
@CharlesK441 2 жыл бұрын
Preach it sister 🙌 👏🏾 🙏🏾
@HinoarashiSuzaku
@HinoarashiSuzaku 2 ай бұрын
9:26 Close, Stage and Surround... from the manual: "Each instrument sample contains high-resolution components recorded from microphone groups placed to achieve close, full, and ambient sound. Setups are modeled after traditional Decca setups having front omnidirectional microphones for full string sound, a directional center tree to focus woodwinds and brass and a number of stereo pair accents for solo and close up work. Instruments are placed on stage where they usually perform so that signals from these microphone groups can be mixed and have the general technical feel and acoustic properties of a live session. Soloists can be brought forward, other instruments can be accented yet remain back or in the orchestra, and off stage effects can be produced, all with correct acoustic perspective."
@RussPaladino
@RussPaladino 2 жыл бұрын
You haven’t offended anyone. This aspiring composer appreciates the points you’re making about practicing craft and learning to work with what you can afford. Taste is the single most important factor in any creative endeavor. As a musician/composer who came of age in the 70’s and 80’s I can say without hesitation that I would have sawed off a leg for the tools, sounds and instruments that come free in GarageBand when I was growing up (recording on my 4 track Tascam cassette recorder). There is no excuse that can support being prevented from creating great music when music making has never been easier, cheaper and with more free and cheap tools available. We (me included) must fight the urge to get the shiny things and get to work. Thank you for your insight and expertise.
@wesboundmusic
@wesboundmusic 2 жыл бұрын
coming of age in the 70ies and 70ies... raises hand. And yes to the rest of your comment as well. I'll never forget how psyched I was when discovering on my then 2008 MacBook Pro that Garageband had everything I needed for a recording I was supposed to send to a new musician friend I had made on MySpace and we later continued our collaboration on Facebook and had an online only thing going. Like you I was pining over access to a studio and its technology and today we can have much of that on a laptop and a few pieces of software, isn't it amazing? 😀❤️
@matthijshebly
@matthijshebly 2 жыл бұрын
Yours is very probably my favourite KZbin channel right now... Your calm and down-to-earth demeanor is inspiring and infectious. Fantastic.
@yuriwongmusic
@yuriwongmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Yes x 1000! When it comes down to real-world output, I think most tools/sound libraries/hardware these days are more than adequate to create something that connects with the intended audience, especially when skilfully used. And yes, working with limited gear really does shift the focus on developing your skills. Thanks for this video!
@rjkral
@rjkral 2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, awesome presentation!! It fully reminds me that there are those of us that know about the best strings from way back in the mid 90s are now still among the best or most useful for p to mp range and even forte in the upper octaves. Not from EW. Those that know, know. But 25 years later still using them in the template. Also similarly for me, I use a very old piece of hardware as physical faders. Completely "obsolete " and completely affordable an absolutely the best feel still. It's like CAMERAS and photography. Lots of new bells and whistles, yet SLRs and DSLRs and lenses from years ago still took those incredible photos we admired back then. What works, still works! Such a great point made Anne-Kathrin!
@crispinhands7610
@crispinhands7610 2 жыл бұрын
Miroslav?
@c-m-laurin-lenschow
@c-m-laurin-lenschow 2 жыл бұрын
...so you chose to upload this two hours after I pulled the trigger on JXL Brass. Salt, meet wound. Anyway, great video as always! Needless to say the mockup is great as well.
@ConnorEllisMusic
@ConnorEllisMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but that Brass tho.
@Canqwertz1
@Canqwertz1 2 жыл бұрын
JXL Brass is phenomenal! You will definitley hear the difference. Have fun with it 🎺
@c-m-laurin-lenschow
@c-m-laurin-lenschow 2 жыл бұрын
@@Canqwertz1 That's great to hear - thanks! :)
@tonio3375
@tonio3375 2 жыл бұрын
JXL brass is an absolutely incredible library! Especially the low brass
@kaeleb1968
@kaeleb1968 2 жыл бұрын
“As long as you weren’t brought home in a police car, you were fine!” 😂😂😂😂 so true!
@Unscrypted
@Unscrypted Жыл бұрын
"As long as you weren't brought home in a police car, you were fine - no questions asked." -- PERFECT!
@RamonRodgers
@RamonRodgers 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!! And for $29 a month you can have one of the top libraries in the world. Opus is a hell of a lot more stable. I don't know what I would have done without East-West!!!
@BirdYoumans
@BirdYoumans 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. The prize is the imagination, not the gear. Of course gear and software are nice, but that's not what makes the music. It's the ears and what's between them that make the difference. At 77 I still try to learn something new every day. I've heard it said that creativity is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration. There's a lot of truth in that. You are a breath of fresh air!
@Soulsplatter
@Soulsplatter 2 жыл бұрын
I love this so much. You are actually my most favourite composition KZbinr by now. I love listening to you. You seem so chill about everything, i absolutely adore it. Wishing you only the best.
@bindon4
@bindon4 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this - I've been feeling this for years and now I have someone else (with credibility) saying the same thing? And I still use EW!!
@DJKennethA
@DJKennethA 2 жыл бұрын
Had a real good laugh at the start of this. Great stuff. There's a lot of truth to what you are saying, especially with how many places keep cranking out new libraries.
@mikevirtualteacher
@mikevirtualteacher 2 жыл бұрын
You haven’t offended me : ) I loved these last few videos, and especially your courage in calling out some of the elitism in the academic world. I did tons of films and TV shows in the late 80s with a midi module called Proteus 2. You’re right, while I am grateful for all the new libraries that I have now, it is about how creative one is in the composing and your technical skills and mixing more than anything else. Keep being yourself it’s great!
@anonagain
@anonagain 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting you mention the Proteus 2...I still have my Proteus 3 (World) and was blown away the first time I watched the TV show "Northern Exposure". It sounded very familiar, then I realized the entire original opening theme was done with just a Proteus 3. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for your videos Anne-Kathrin. They're always helpful and inspiring! And entertaining. 🙂
@mikevirtualteacher
@mikevirtualteacher 2 жыл бұрын
@@anonagain Ha! The Proteus 3 was great, I still have a Korg M3r module (Korg M1 rack mount) that I still just love the fretless bass from! Take care, looking forward to whatever you create next.
@MrDarwinNE
@MrDarwinNE 2 жыл бұрын
I still have my Proteus 2. I recently started using it again, I really like it!
@mikevirtualteacher
@mikevirtualteacher 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarwinNE that’s great I know a modern classical and film composer up here in Canada who did film music with live musicians and did commission’s for local groups and he mocked up all his mock ups on a proteus 2! I know that now it probably would be simpler to just get one of those small sample libraries and just do a quick mock up. But I guess it just shows that there are many ways to do this and the old gear still might be very very useful eh? Good luck with your composing!
@MrDarwinNE
@MrDarwinNE 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikevirtualteacher Thank you! Indeed, the Proteus/2 is still an amazing instrument, I really like it.
@treyjetermusic
@treyjetermusic 2 жыл бұрын
If this library was recorded in the space shown on the product box, then that is the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas, TX. Home of the Dallas symphony orchestra!
@kennethjackson4858
@kennethjackson4858 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you. I’ve been watching your videos and love them, not only because they’re great, but because of your humanism. I’m learning orchestration and arranging and I’m 76 years young and have one iMac (2015😢) and One library: Hollywood EastWest Opus Edition. Going to follow your guidance or wisdom to learn to use what I have and save up and learn more. Christopher Sui has been helpful and I think he’s worked with you, but that doesn’t matter because I wanted, like everyone else doing composing to have the best gear, but knowledge is better than having gear and not knowing what to do. Thanks again🙏🏾
@doublehelix3952
@doublehelix3952 2 жыл бұрын
~6:38 ". . . the vast majority of people, I would argue, cannot hear the difference" Good advice from someone who actually knows whereof she speaks. Thanks, A-KD (btw, to a certain extent, this also applies to hardware--decades ago, Chick Corea had a column about this very issue in Keyboard)
@jvaranx
@jvaranx 2 жыл бұрын
This definitely applies to hardware. There are blind tests where people that consider themselves experts couldn't tell the difference between analog hardware and software VST.
@Nightowl427272
@Nightowl427272 2 жыл бұрын
For the under 30 demographic, “Keyboard” is a reeeeeally reeeeally old magazine about keyboard instruments. A “magazine” is.a form of a reeeeally reeeally old thing called a book. A “book” is a reeeally reeeally old thing made of paper. “Paper” is a... Ahh F it...
@thisislance
@thisislance 2 жыл бұрын
You speak like a real human, to us as if we're real humans. Most of us probably are. Point is, you do not come across as someone "putting on a personality." We get the right amount of levity and casual nature that makes your content very approachable, a major factor of a great educator.
@gianni1646
@gianni1646 2 жыл бұрын
I just found this video and I am enjoying your reminiscing; “the good old days”! It reminds me of how fascinated we were at the invention of “stereo” and LP albums with 12 songs on two sides. Oh! And color TV! Ah, children of today will probably reminisce over their Dad’s first electric flying car and laugh at how bulky AR goggles were. Thanks for bringing me back to the past. Your an amazing artist and composer and a real down to earth human being. ❤❤❤
@maleake56
@maleake56 2 жыл бұрын
Your take is spot on and important. As for location, EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra (usually and mercifully just abbreviated EWQLSO) was recorded in Benaroya Hall, home of the Seattle Symphony in Seattle, Washington. Doug Rogers of EastWest confirmed in a post on Gearspace back in 2009 that he had to sign a contract that prevented them from disclosing the hall at the time. I got the platinum edition back in 2006. It was pricey. I still use parts of it to this day and it has a place in my orchestral template. Good library, though I use the Opus player for it these days, which is a big improvement over Play.
@bonuebonue
@bonuebonue 2 жыл бұрын
Anne-Kathrin: You are so intelligent, talented and funny!!! Is always a pleasure to watch your videos , learn from you and hear your very particular opinion and interesting perspective of your observations. I loved your mock-up, but had not recognized that was such an old library :-) !! Agree 100% on your points. Keep the good work and congratulation for the growing channel!!!
@pthomas36
@pthomas36 Жыл бұрын
Is binge-watching a sin? If so, then you've made me a (worse) sinner. What a fascinating channel, and so beautifully presented. Humbling and inspiring at the same time. I guess I'm a fan!
@pianomanny1397
@pianomanny1397 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being so transparent but also must say your mock up of that wonderful theme was great!
@almalaga3924
@almalaga3924 2 жыл бұрын
such an incredible nice person you are,anne...thanks for all..really
@indyartmusic1142
@indyartmusic1142 3 ай бұрын
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing. Funnily enough, i have very recently purchased this library at a huge discount and part of a bundle with a choir library! So, having seen your video now, i am going to have fun with getting to grips with this library!! Thanks again, Best Regards
@karelbredenhorst
@karelbredenhorst 2 жыл бұрын
Oh those glorious times ❤
@tomhorvath1470
@tomhorvath1470 Жыл бұрын
Really precious content! Thank you so much!
@duncanparsons
@duncanparsons 2 жыл бұрын
I COMPLETELY agree 🙂 I have an album coming out in December and most of the plugins I'm using are from the early/mid 00s - mostly electric pianos and organs, and a good few of them are beta versions as I prefer the sounds to the final product.. For orchestra stuff I use the Miroslav plugin which is now well over a decade old and uses samples that started life as a hardware sample library, with all the restrictions that that brought. But I'm really happy with the sound of all of them, I know intimately how they work, how they respond, how to get the best out of them. I still use the freeware MDA plugins too, the epiano is STILL one of the loveliest tine pianos about, even 20 years and countless sample libraries later.. What a luvly video, thank you for speaking up!
@whitwrk1
@whitwrk1 2 жыл бұрын
As usual Ms. Dern, spot on! Your true fans are not offended, but encouraged. Thanks!!
@M4T
@M4T 2 жыл бұрын
I can't agree more. EW has been my go to library for a long time. I keep trying to make it sound better. When my mockups suck (most of the time!) I know it's on me, not on EW. The same way I use Cubase stock plugins since I am not an engineer and expensive plugin wont make my mixes sound better ... I prefer to invest in training...
@M4T
@M4T 2 жыл бұрын
@@audiowork6015 You're right, those 3rd party plugins usually kill the CPU while stock plugins don't ... No latency and no crash :)
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly best sound, but for me a lot of trouble that i only find there. Many times i just go to some simple alternatives that are good, like Alpine Woodwinds . I use Goliath a lot, even having all EW instruments, only God explains…. Yesterday Opus crashed again, while pressing „reveal in library“ , because the instrument was irresponsibe. What a hell when composing
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 2 жыл бұрын
@@audiowork6015 i know this hell. Considering that this is the “best” and expensive I find ridiculous how EW is not humble about it. Notice their updates, and how they communicate about crashes and bugs
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding samples the only problem i see is with inconsistence in timbre/velocity and also unwanted noise, that gives trouble later when compressed. Another thing that I don´t experience with some other libraries..But doubtless - as sound -it is a go to orchestra when it comes to professional work.
@fusion-music
@fusion-music 2 жыл бұрын
Your friend explained a lot to you about camera settings and Resolve. It's working for you. Good topic.
2 жыл бұрын
5:10 "When it's actually one of the oldest things on the market" Wow, that Mellotron sure sounds great.
@mguini1
@mguini1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you and Thank you. 👍 👍 and 👍
@zipperhead101
@zipperhead101 2 жыл бұрын
OMG! I stopped at 1:30 and listened to this performance twice more before moving on. And then THE REVEAL! Well done, nice the way you panned nice and slow. I took away some ear training while watching the first 2:20 seconds! And now, to continue...
@achillesamusic
@achillesamusic 2 жыл бұрын
I love how note-to-self this video is :)
@papankunci
@papankunci 2 жыл бұрын
its 2022 and YES! I still use East West Orchestra to this day also! Brilliant content Anne! you ROCKS!
@mikeclark2747
@mikeclark2747 Жыл бұрын
I am so inspired by your videos. I'm a 63 year old professional keyboardist and I'm studying orchestral mock ups and film scoring at home through books and videos like yours. I agree even as a keyboardist, I dont chase the latest technology when it comes to gear. I look for stuff i can learn quickly and apply on gigs and I stick with what works. I have BBCSO and Abbey Road and a few other libraries and i just have 16 gig of ram. And with that I can make a decent cue which of course still need to be fininshed and mastered. I treat it all as my hobby when I'm not gigging in Vegas doing live shows. I want to compose and do what you do from my home studio when or before I get into my 70' or 80's and just perform when i want to and licence my music. That is my dream goal Thank you for your videos and know that you give me hope amd inspiration on the regular. I am a happy subscriber to your channel. Keep doing whacha doin' !!!! Always, 😎 Mike Clark
@brianlhguntercomposer
@brianlhguntercomposer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great take.!Shooting it straight, and it’s all credible with no sales pitch. Just good advice, because who has the time for BS? And man do I relate to growing up “free range” and unsupervised! 😂 Cheers!
@raoulbandera
@raoulbandera 2 жыл бұрын
At the age of retirement, your speech was mesmorizing, along with a wake up call of "Hey stupid.....wake up and smell the coffee!" I've always played on keys with onboard sounds. Now at being over 70, I'm venturing into DAW's, VST's, midi controllers, and the whole virtual world.......maybe a day late, and a dollar short, but your words more or less slapped the shit out of me, telling me to take one step at a time, and use what you have, regardless whether it's old or not. Thanks Anne-Kathrin for a job well done!
@hulkslayer626
@hulkslayer626 2 жыл бұрын
Never seen one of your videos before... just randomly had this one in my feed ND thought the title was interesting. Only 30 seconds in and already diggin the vibe 😁
@igor.cherny
@igor.cherny 2 жыл бұрын
Anne, thanks for this video and many others. As beginner composer, I find your videos are very inspiring. Have a great day!
@TheHesseJames
@TheHesseJames Жыл бұрын
I don’t know what brought me to this channel but it is a gem! I am a sixty year old guitar player who is currently beefing up on harmonization theory.What you say about the gear fomo is actually 10 x the case for a large fraction of the guitar community. There is an endless sea of gear available, especially in the electric department, with new more shit popping up every minute. When I started with guitar by the age of 15 I started with a classical nylon string. I was happy! Of course I wanted an electric like my rock heroes and I got it a year later. I was in heaven. I got my first distortion/ reverb device at the age of 18, I almost cried for happiness. Everything after this was just cool, nice to have and in the end often a huge distraction from playing. I got so fed up with fiddling with my gear and chasing sounds that I stopped playing electric altogether for a couple of years and just played my Spanish guitar.
@mikegreyfromnz
@mikegreyfromnz Жыл бұрын
encouraging definitely, thanks.
@brainrussell6811
@brainrussell6811 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing... someone on VI-Control started a thread about purchasing burnout... reading the OP's comment, I knew I was going to post a comment and it was going to start with, "Buying shit..." I scroll down, the very next comment is linking this vid and all I see is "Buying Shit." You are spot-on. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times: "EWQL Orchestra Gold is the greatest/most revolutionary sample library ever... just wish that they would go back and update it." I have never been more inspired as I was in 2005 when I purchased this library. Great video.
@billandsandycortright3143
@billandsandycortright3143 2 жыл бұрын
Your point is spot on. We'll said and done!
@nelsonortizmusic502
@nelsonortizmusic502 2 жыл бұрын
My first orchestral library was EWQL Orchestra Silver in the kompakt player. Yeah that old. But got my first TV placements with that library.
@diegos1905
@diegos1905 2 жыл бұрын
Dear girl. We Love you. Beauty, wisdom and resilience. Thanks for the honest input on this.
@jayneubauer3401
@jayneubauer3401 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!! I am 60 and just trying to break into trailer music. My only orchestral libraries at the time are BBCSO Discover, Nucleus Lite and the Symphony Essentials in Komplete 13 Ultimate. I have actually been drooling over the CineSamples libraries for a while, but you have lit a new fire under me. THANK YOU!!!!
@JeffyG
@JeffyG 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay - I’m 60 too and passionate about music production. I have friends making music for TV and movies. It’s very competitive and key to have contacts. Good luck!
@jayneubauer3401
@jayneubauer3401 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffyG fortunately I do this for the love of making music. I am retired, and no longer play on stage so I have been looking for a motivation (you know how we get). If I make it, great! If I don't, I have tried something new and learned something. All things considered, it is a win as far as I am concerned. I know there are a LOT more composers than large projects, but I know a few indie film producers that I might get some projects from. Who knows...
@alkaiosmusic
@alkaiosmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice video! You are absolutely right. There is a video of a guy pairing two mock ups and a real recording of Waltz of the Flowers. One mockup was Spitfire BBCSO pro and the other one Noteperformer 3, with a nice hall reverb, well done panning and eq. Well, you can guess the results...
@MrKnt93
@MrKnt93 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more with this! I use Spitfire but that’s because I’ve always used them because I was lucky to have started when LABS and BBC Discover was released. I got used to how to write with their libraries, their quarks and all that so I’ve just stayed with them. I have others now as they’ve offered stuff I liked and needed for various things. I’ll admit I LOVE to purchase new stuff 😂😂😂 but the ones I use the MOST are the ones I’ve had for a few years now. Use what’s inspiring to you, comfortable for you to use and write and go with it!! I’m so on board on not caring about the sample argument!!
@wong4728
@wong4728 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being human and honest with us. Kudos
@duncanthompson957
@duncanthompson957 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Lovely. Thank you.
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine put me onto this video. Thank you, very relevant comments and I think useful to a lot of people. I began in about 2008 with Garritan, and shortly afterwards acquired EW Gold. Like you, I feel that it gave me a start on my journey. I also have all four of the others you mentioned (Ra, Silk, VoP and Stormdrums). It's what everyone was buying at the time :) I would still use them if I thought the sound was right.
@kovachito
@kovachito 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree..!! congrats for you steemed Anne for enlightening that much to many of us constantly in what really matters about creation, music and the actual need to respect the real talent of some people, not the gear budget everyone could have. Thank you so much for sharing these so valuables videos. Grettings from Chile .
@JeffyG
@JeffyG 2 жыл бұрын
I’m aware that talent trumps gear and really like your video! It’s refreshing and honest. Vendors need to keep selling us shit to stay alive. They’ve brainwashed us into believing we need the latest stuff to do the same things we’ve been doing for the last 20 years. I’m vulnerable to ‘free’ and ‘free trial’. I figure I spend about 30% of my time trying new hardware and software - it’s crazy! Another big distraction is iOS music production. Hours wasted playing with fun new apps on my iPad, ultimately pulling my ideas into Logic on my Mac, where I should have started in the first place 😂
@FelixWollner
@FelixWollner 2 жыл бұрын
Abgesehen von deiner Expertise die ich sehr schätze, bist du mir einfach grundlegend sympathisch 🙂
@inwex8350
@inwex8350 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, thanks for the nostalgic walk! Loving this rewind! ... remember buying NI Battery 1 in this big clunky box.
@DomSigalas
@DomSigalas 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more Anne! Knowledge and skills ALWAYS beat gear. Great video and experiment
@frankmehl_PictureMusic
@frankmehl_PictureMusic Жыл бұрын
Thank you for these really valuable words!
@jigsound
@jigsound 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely nailed the topic, thank you! 🙏 A lot of aspiring composers/orchestrators need to hear this. Even if it feels self-evident that it is the know-how and not the tool so much, the temptation to go on a continuous shopping spree is lucrative but distracting for the process.
@iamfrankbiesta
@iamfrankbiesta 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video with loads of valuable insights! I learn so much from you. Thanks a million!
@LeapingDodo
@LeapingDodo 2 жыл бұрын
dear youtube algorithm, Please make this one go viral. This video will make the world a better place. Also Anne, I usually just lurk but I'd like to thank you for the high quality content. I appreciate you doing the hard work making it despite youtube probably not being a big (enough) avenue for business for you.
@2112ZOZ
@2112ZOZ 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Excellent advice! Thank you.
@genossewurstbrot
@genossewurstbrot 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated the flip phone story, because it brought some "Opa erzählt vom Krieg"-vibes into the video. That being said: I feel old now. I'm gonna go and buy a piece of cake.
@biggrime
@biggrime 2 жыл бұрын
That's why a lot of professionals still use older gear. They know it well. They can squeeze what they need out of it. Sometimes new gear can mess up your work flow. Making you force it.
@jasonwalsh7921
@jasonwalsh7921 2 жыл бұрын
And there it is kids at 3:17 in the biggest golden words of advice “Skill beats gear every time !! “ Hi Anne.. I’m a uk based theatre sound designer and engineer and Love watching your informative content.. ✌🏼😎
@tristandietschmusic2516
@tristandietschmusic2516 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Video. Very motivating i a get you sh.. together way. Nice look back to my youth at well. Good old times.
@AnthonyJohnson-Hud
@AnthonyJohnson-Hud 2 жыл бұрын
Well Said. Well done. You just saved me from myself! I've always been suspicious regard libraries that market the hall sound. I also realized that I didn't need to worry too much about mixing different librarys. When recorded together I can't hear the difference mostly. I just concentrate on getting better at orchestration (practice) and that ususally takes care of lousy sound. You are the best! I am forever gratefull for your posts!
@jamesross9452
@jamesross9452 2 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...THANK YOU
@tskolits
@tskolits 2 жыл бұрын
Super encouraging and helpful video. Absolutely love this. Thanks for posting!
@ComposerRocks
@ComposerRocks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your words of wisdom, Anne-Kathrin.
@MalikAmer87
@MalikAmer87 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always
@chrisbrocatocomposer
@chrisbrocatocomposer 2 жыл бұрын
East West is truly excellent about helping out students and aspiring composers. I was in high school when they first introduced Composer Cloud, with a great education discount. That was truly a game changer for me, that I as a high school student working as a dishwasher could afford such a huge array of quality libraries. Sure, a lot of them show their age and don't have the same amount of features that modern libraries do, but they still sound great and are more than usable. Composer Cloud is pretty much responsible for me getting into Berklee, and for me now living in LA just starting to work as a composers assistant! You are so right too about focusing more on developing skills rather than blaming it on needing newer tools. It is something I try and tell those starting out too - sure you do need at the very least some sort of decent orchestral library to start with, but money would be better spent on orchestration/arranging/production/mixing books and courses than more tools you don't know how to use yet. Knowledge is power!
@asai1244
@asai1244 Жыл бұрын
Over the last year, I've listened to a lot of Anne's videos and got around to building a full on orchestral template with VEPro. As a test, I loaded up a MIDI version of Beethoven's Violin Concerto in D, and it was absolute proof that what she says about knowledge beating gear is spot on. The overall sound was so good, even just using sustain patches (for woodwinds) and not messing around too much with legatos, etc. So there it is, if you know what you're doing (Beethoven certainly did) you don't have to mess around so much with slow or fast legatos, older or newer libraries (I'm using older EastWest libraries for the most part myself), or all the latest and greatest this or that. I have spent a lot of time fiddling and tweaking, and have realized a good part of that time was spent fussing over things what it was really just lack of knowledge and experience. "Knowledge beats gear, every time."
@davidm2721
@davidm2721 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, very refreshing and so true. I'm not a professional composer but sometimes, it's so attractive to buy a better library even if I will use 20% of his feature (or less) and I will complicate my life to understand how it works instead of focusing on my creative work 🤣 It gives so much more inner strength and inner confidence to use what we already have and go beyond our own limits & beliefs. Thank you again, do not change anything 🙏
@HinoarashiSuzaku
@HinoarashiSuzaku 2 ай бұрын
9:02 Benaroya Hall in Seattle
@MaxiGoethling
@MaxiGoethling 2 жыл бұрын
My guess when I first heard that mockup was just "old", but I didn't expect it to be THAT old!
@MaxFury_Official
@MaxFury_Official Жыл бұрын
I'm not even a film-composer, but i feel blessed to have realised that EWQL's old library is actually still very good, even kinda "un-mixed" (check out my metal mix Red Alert as the example, alltho i added my own lowend fake synths to thicken it up a bit. I just bounced it down to a wave and automated the volume a bit cause the project was crashing cpu spikes and stuff, ha ha. I think Dimmu Borgir used Ewqlso on an album aswell. You can tell that it's a "fake orchestra" but once the guitars and drums kick in it works really well. I also used it just as a subtle textures in my future love ballad classic 'Stick It In' and it totally adds a lot of athmosphere to the mix yet it's 20years old, crazy
@seanlorenzopenzo
@seanlorenzopenzo 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! There’s such a wonderful element of creativity that comes from working with what you’ve got! I love this perspective.
@alihanapiyahofficial24
@alihanapiyahofficial24 2 жыл бұрын
SO TRUE
@pontusullerstamtidemand7837
@pontusullerstamtidemand7837 2 жыл бұрын
great video! It´s funny, i got my first film job using the old cheap Steinberg orchestra library. When i started out scoring i was pretty much broke and i got a student discount on that library. There are pretty much no round robins at all in it, but I did my best to get the most out of it. And since i didn´t have much money to buy sample libaries i started to record my own samples and create my own instruments. Now i have over 20 gig of my own samples to play around with. And those are my sounds wich no one else have access to.
@ronnyb5890
@ronnyb5890 Жыл бұрын
hey Anne, i'm new to your channel, i find the tips and tricks you show a great addition to all the other channels i'm fan of, as a music hobbyist i have accuired a lot of sample libraries, also the one you showcased here (symphonic orchestra) my latest addition is musio altough i have most of the cinesamples libraries in kontakt format, just went nuts when updating to kontakt 7 when the GUI from certain libraries are completely unreadable on one of my two machines,i have contacted NI tough, they say they will get in touch, have a nice day Anne
@BcvlMusic
@BcvlMusic 2 жыл бұрын
i thought it was albion one legacy cause i was listening your video like a podcast. but then i saw the video and saw the library in the right side. Good video 😀
@tanukibrahma
@tanukibrahma 2 жыл бұрын
Most brilliant admonitory discussion I’ve seen on this subject. Very much appreciated!
@ninomojo
@ninomojo 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the points being made in this video. You often say the stuff that lots of people need to hear. I have a massive grievance with computing in the early to mid 2000s though, particularly with audio: those were the dark ages for us composers, but due mostly to inane incompetence on the software side. The hardware was already fabulous, CPUs were Pentiums and they were fast, RAM was with 1 to 2gb, hard drives were already kinda big. Computers were massively more powerful than hardware samplers, and yet they were just shit at streaming or loading audio files and playing them, which in terms of computer science is fucking TRIVIAL. Anyone remember GigaStudio and it never working, or taking MINUTES to loads a couple of hundred megabytes of data, sometimes only 32mb? Anyone remember that some AMD computers were just physically incompatible with popular soundcards or DAWs because of some version of the chipset? The transition to win98 to XP/NT was so painful and lasted for years... The craft of recording and editing those samples was top notch, but the software skills behind the curtains were massively below par compared to other industries, and the shitty OSes didn't help. It is a painful time to remember for me. Wooof, rant over. Thanks for coming!
@Erdos777
@Erdos777 2 жыл бұрын
I also love to rant. Part of the difficulty was SSE and CH10. In the meantime the initial Pentium release was the target platform. I do think they should have at least used SSE - but marketing probably would have opposed it and technical support would get calls like - why the bleep will it not work on just a Pentium. Intel kept adding to the instruction set to address these problems. M-Audio from IBM tried to address some of this. It died. End of response rant.
@davidsmusic
@davidsmusic Жыл бұрын
Hi Anne, I really enjoyed your video and probably I am oder than you that makes me understand many things that you had shared; unfortunatelly in my "music life" has not been like a had wished from early time but I had learn and clear my mind of what do I really need for the music that I wanna do and even that my saxophone coast arround hundred dollars on eBay (a vintage student horn) and after five years I could buy a better mouthpiece for less than hundred dollars (again) I had this frustration that getting good things my sound, my brain was gone not for quality of budget, to don´t learn rigthly, make a good routine, etc.; so thank you so much for your videos, to share for a high position on your music life that we don´t need so much rubish and so on. Regards from Germany!
@sonicflux8321
@sonicflux8321 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice Anne!!!... can i call you Anne?... my father was a mechanical engineer for 45 years and the most used tool he owned was an old rusty steel bar he had found somewhere as an apprentice... many of his tools came and went, lost and broken, bought and sold... but the old steel bar remained!...I now have that old steel bar and use it often!... not for music production obviously! ... Although when my DAW crashes the old steel bar does come to mind!...😁
@gonzalozubillaga9341
@gonzalozubillaga9341 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Anne!!! Thank you, great points here.
@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet
@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet 2 жыл бұрын
I am using 2003 EWQL still to this day lol. As they say, "he's gonna take you back to the past". I would argue that VSL sounds so good for me that I'd always be able to differentiate that.
@JeffWardMusic
@JeffWardMusic 2 жыл бұрын
A popular phrase here in the UK is "All of the gear but no idea". Applies equally to photography, fishing, cycling, music...whatever. Another great video replete with wisdom, thanks!
@serge1336
@serge1336 2 жыл бұрын
😂 Hi Anne-Kathrin, love your videos, especially your way of presenting them. Great !
@GuildOfTheBlackCrow
@GuildOfTheBlackCrow 2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted Gypsy. Never got around to it.
@refurbishedmessages2650
@refurbishedmessages2650 2 жыл бұрын
It is so great that you take the time to share these thoughts. At first I hesitated to watch, because the title does not promise something new. But the way you present it is so great and funny and it helps to think about this point
@Byron101_
@Byron101_ 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a composer and pro sounddesigner. And I must say: you don't need much stuff!! In theses days the onboard stuff in modern daws are also very very good. Same goes for synths: when you bypass all the fx, eq, arpeggiators, etc., the sound is very simple! you can build your own HiEnd VSTis with onboard synth like (Cubase e.g.) Padshop or Retrologue plus adding effects and midi plugins! And with sampling you can create your own "Omnisphere clone!" sounds! (tip: record noises outdoor, sample chords, vstis stacks+patches, pitch, stretch, add effects.. sample again... and so on...(and exactly this is what Eric Pershing does with Omnisphere content) ... millions of millions possibilities...all this without buying new expensive stuff! ♥️
@dkbbass403
@dkbbass403 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, just saved me buying another library just because they're on sale! A bad workman etc...
@QBellowMusic
@QBellowMusic Жыл бұрын
Subscribed!
@danielpicard3994
@danielpicard3994 2 жыл бұрын
So true! At first, when I read your title, I thought you would encourage us to seek a vintage U47 or something... LOL. I also believe that having too many options makes me less productive in the long run. Great video, thanks!
@antonletsgodipping
@antonletsgodipping 2 жыл бұрын
16:40 to 19:10 is the best part of this video
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