announcement

[@walf6978]

I"m really grateful that you made your previous video. Mistake or not it brought a topic a lot of people didn't think about. Props to you for owning up to your mistakes man. It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing turns out.

[@baileygamble3530]

Ok but how does anyone hate this guy? He's literally trying to not only fix the game but also is trying to help people that are crippled bone wise by this game but don't want to give it up. This man is honestly amazing.

[@baileygamble3530]

Yeah I'm refering to those that hate him over the box vs boxx controversy. Maybe it's a smaller crowd than I think but I just feel like this video should remove any of that

[@theSato]

@@baileygamble3530 who are you talking to lol

[@baileygamble3530]

@@theSato they deleted the comment i guess idk it was two years ago

[@yano4473]

hax can honestly use my body however he wants

[@monkeydluffy1467]

Chair Kun Reggie would be proud

[@-eea32]

Chair Kun same

[@CraigPark]

The first three minutes of this video prove to Gravy and Shitbox Dustin that Hax is not doing this to grab cash and run, he actually CARES about the professional scene

[@Dzuh]

Bevan and? that doesnt mean dude isnt tryna go to the ends of the earth n back to fix gamecube controllers /just/ so he can play the game. he clearly fuckin loves smash

[@weeklyhan8506]

Yeah, and it is because he really wants to come back to the scene, and this tools will make it easier for him to be a part of the Melee community

[@TJ-xl1kd]

NejiSpringfield dont throw gravy under the bus. Maybe just a couple of fingers but Dustin should be the only one eating that bunper.

[@Thetruenoobgamers]

Hax$ saving a melee community 1 video at a time

[@bossdula]

Clyde Stickler lol this wont save the community. I mean it could. all I see this doing is splitting up the melee community we just need arcade sticks that's all

[@ssgsaxgamer4902]

This should be incorporated into the TE

[@DiscoCokkroach]

Dan Salvato was involved in the making of Hax's memory card hack featured in this video. Maybe there's hope?

[@ssgsaxgamer4902]

Yeah there is, I also want it as an option for the hack pack to practice on

Within the first minute of this video this man has already impressed me. Not a lot of adults can sit in front of a camera and admit when they fuck up.

[@ffeeley1]

True, and yet I'd argue that he even went too hard on himself; that despite not considering all the potential arguments in the 1st vid, he opened up a much needed conversation that just wasn't going anywhere before his vid. He did a service to the Melee community with that 1st vid, despite it not being perfect.

[@k1kk0ssbm13]

If they can't, they don't qualify as adults.

[@chickensouplover516]

Nicholas Krowicki there's plenty of cowardly adults

[@johnhurley8918]

NESman1995 This video showed me that Hax actually has some reall fucking integrity. I was doubting him after the whole BOXX drama, but now I believe in Hax fucking money.

[@bossdula]

NESman1995 ? people do that all the time this is b******* this is not what Hax promised to the community he promised to make an arcade stick where the f*** is it

[@torchics2]

Alright this was said in last videos comment section, but the way how hax has his right side eye focusing on the script of the video and his left side eye focusing on the camera is godlike 20XX

[@hanswurst6720]

I am pretty sure that was just a bad taste joke about his lazy eye. Unless you're just joking too or I don't actually know what I'm talking about.

[@schierke]

Hans Wurst he has a lazy eye? Really? I didn't notice it and I can't really see anything still wow

[@hanswurst6720]

That's at least what it always looked like to me. Obviously ,if at all, it is only very partial. But I always noticed that something seems off with one of his eyes, pretty sure it's not exclusive to these videos. You might wanna go thru some interviews or so to check it for yourself. Edit: Just did that for you, and yes you can see it.

[@and...and..]

Everyone's so afraid of not being 100% fail-proof (the box *could* ruin melee, controller mods *could* ruin melee) that they end up accomplishing 0%. Making mistakes along the way was necessary in order to progress. We've known about the issues in Melee and even how to fix them for a long time, but noon wanted to make an imperfect start to making those fixes practical. The arduino video was a step towards doing something, and an example of why flawed starts/testing new waters is better than doing nothing.

[@yummycookies58]

marioguy123 Thanks mr skeletal for the reasonable argument

[@and...and..]

;-)

[@PoorZhu]

Amazing work.

[@rohanix8953]

BØXR Zhu On the controller?

[@rohanix8953]

BØXR Zhu I didn't know u were into older ladies

[@rohanix8953]

Wym?

[@tankerwife2001]

this video is short for hax$

[@nickmiller5382]

Hax No Money now

[@abcdefzhij]

Nobody LOL

[@Dio-sb9ol]

Alright ladies and gentlemen, make sure you put on 1.25 speed

[@Budymryo]

Dio don't you mean put it on .25 speed dio??

[@FleshMachine-rg5pb]

Mario1989 M.B with dio, its 0.00 speed

[@ChankerTanker]

ZA WARUDO

[@FleshMachine-rg5pb]

Dyne HOW MANY TIPPERS, WAVESHINES, RESTS, AND WOBBLES CAN YOU SURVIVE IN THE FROZEN TIME?

[@Check_5_]

Mobile, fml

[@gatorssbm]

Its nice to see Hax is open to change. We need to at least try the mod and see how things go.

[@gatorssbm]

Woah theres even neutral start forces not dependant on port and it allows the analog to be registered as being held out 100% so the B0XX wont have a slight advantage. Good stuff Hax this might actually work.

[@tyr4489]

clovehitch it is the uneducated who have the strongest opinions. knowledge brings understanding, understanding brings doubt, doubt brings humility, and the humble are quiet

[@gatorssbm]

I just feel its a step in the right direction, Im not saying this will 100% work since it just came out. We will need to test out new things at some point and if it ends up working B0XX legalization could happen after testing as well. not to mention getting a working good controller will be less of an issue where everyday they will be less and less. Nintendo wont produce GC controllers once they run out it will be a dead end from there and this helps this end be farther from coming potentially. Edit: The only change that seems subjective is the wavedash change, making it easier might turn people off this idea and I can see why due to reducing some of the difficulty but I only see it small since the other changes look for the better.

[@herbmaaster]

with those wd angles, pray for peach was my first thought

[@justinszela6261]

Memcard controller fix, sick.

[@TheEDDY900]

tfw you can't speed the video up on mobile.

[@BroArmyCommander]

I am honestly fucking loving this project and I haven't even started playing. Been only watching the competitive scene for years tho. Hax is such a model to look up to, or at least should be for many people. Amazing man and amazing work.

[@harryherzberg2049]

thanks hax, it is obvious that you love the scene, and i am so glad to know that someone as awesome as you cares about it this much

[@ctmc]

This solution allows me to play melee how I want to play it without any physical modifications. I fucked up soldering my arduino miserably, so I appreciate the fact there's no physical work to be done to the controllers.

[@UrbanGarlic]

Thank you for moving your camera up to see those posters! I had a feeling those were going to be your posters of choice.

[@GT_Strato702]

I just played this and Hax$ just made melee better for me as a player and a consumer of all the Melee tournaments, events, and a fan in general, and this is really changing up to game bro. It made it more fun for me to be a better player not cause of controller bull but because I can utilize my given tools at my own will. You might have said you were Hax Fucking Broke, but your Hax$ in our hearts (and our hands)

[@GT_Strato702]

Using the same controller for 2 and 1/2 years and I feel better about my own broken in controller, and feel comfortable, as I should have for a while

[@ffeeley1]

Love the website url lol. Seriously though, you're the man, Hax. You got the community talking, you admitted some of it wasn't perfect, but you did a service to the whole community by stirring things up. Now you're giving away your solutions for free to all. You're a god, dude. Thank you.

[@BakerFalcons]

lol falcon and fox in thumbnail

[@standardsloshy]

Boy, you solved every concern I've had about the Arduino. Bravo.

[@CoachJohnMcGuirk]

so how do i notch my shoulder buttons? just hit l and r or do i need to angle the stick like i would a shield drop?

[@hamzasehavdic]

Someone please explain. How does Hax fucking money have so much money in the first place? WHO FUNDS HIM?

[@Tastefuljoy]

Hamza Hes from the distant future......of 20XX. Thats how.

[@anthonya459]

Saudi Money

[@hamzasehavdic]

Anthony Al his last name is from a noble blood line so I can see that

[@maxfennimore9964]

Anthony Al pretty sure he's Iraqi but whatever

[@CoachJohnMcGuirk]

Hamza he doesnt... he's hax fucking broke because he hasnt been entering stuff because of his medical conditions. im sure this actually hurts his wallet a lot :/

[@sleepyzeph]

Really cool stuff, can't wait to test it out. A nooby question though, are other actions with tight input windows, like shorting spacies side-B, affected by any polling issues? I imagine there could be some variation in the timing between the initial B press and shorten, given that each input is executed on the next frame, and the timing to the next frame could be anywhere from a full frame to like 0.1% of a frame. Doesn't that mean the timing window for getting the right shorten could be almost zero frames if you get unlucky? This is hard to explain. Obviously the real window should always be a full frame, but it seems to me that you can't tell when that frame will start or end based on your initial B press, and it's up to chance how far forward or back the window is.

[@larrycthulhu]

I think this makes firefox ledgestall harder for some reason

[@tyr4489]

Hax, I love these videos. You're obviously smart as hell and are doing great things for the community. Just please put an analog stick on the box.

[@StealthyPanda122]

Also, a non-controller-equalizing mod like this would effectively be a balance update because some characters (fox, samus, ICs) would benefit more than other characters (peach, puff)

[@ayuta4254]

Hax I'm very glad you are a part of this community and not a different one you have done amazing things for melee thank you.

[@93BossRoss]

I saw your last video, and I was going to actually comment about issues with voltage that I have experienced. I mod my controllers, and my main mod is converting gamecube controllers to wii classic controllers. I have seen a lot og voltage issues, even shorting my controllers sometimes. It could be managed of course with some additional electronics work, but its a bit much.

[@MrWumbologist]

Excellent stuff, my only concern is that setups like these will be brought to tournaments and people will not reset their notch values, leading people to think their already-notched controllers can shield drop when they actually can't since the values have been altered. People will have to be dilligent of keeping track of their shield drop values and port.

[@skippyasqueeze]

it'll just have to be part of button checks.

[@betagamma18]

Splendid No, I think everyone will calibrate before every set, like they do with setting tags or picking characters

[@DiscoCokkroach]

I believe that notch values are reset when you unplug your controller.

[@ameyascience]

is there any way that we could get an ISO patcher be which installs these mods on an ISO, so that we could play with dolphin?

[@parkerfreeman715]

is there a way to set up or install this onto a pc? i play using dolphin exclusively. If not, it would be greatly appreciated if you would create a method to installing on a pc. Thank you. The main problem I have with changing this from a controlled mod to a mem card mod is what i just said, its not entierly adaptive and can only be used at certain times

[@stefanow.9047]

What if you are doing solo practice on a home brewed Wii? How will I be able to use this pack with it?

[@pearceodegard582]

you 20xx hack pack as the melee iso. It answers how to sync up the sd to memory card stuff to nintendont on the website

[@tekkai1437]

CONGRATS, THIS IS BEAUTIFUL I LOVE IT!!!!!!

[@TheFupaKing]

TAS videos always pop up on the side when i watch Haxs videos

[@DiscoCokkroach]

TASes are fun to watch. My favorite Melee TAS is Hax$ vs Nintendude.

[@julian1000]

This is an awesome idea! Completely opposed to the perfect WD angles and the 1.0000 change. That's just making the game easier.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

omfg marth's perfect wavedash grab must be a pain. Imagine luigi with 7 feet long arms.

[@graysongman]

I tried doing this and the game freezes when I hit name entry (but the music continues playing). It doesn't seem to have worked, as the memcard is still blank. I just have to restore the mem card then go into vanilla melee name entry right? did I miss a step?

[@DiscoCokkroach]

You might have to format your memory card before you load the Hax$ save on to it. That helped fix some issues that I was having with 20XXTE back in the day.

[@graysongman]

Thanks, I'll try that. Do I have to use a melee disc for this, or can I just use an iso?

[@booyyae.1037]

Did you go to name entry on the character select screen or in the menus? That may be why.

[@machomansam]

Yeah, I went to the one in the menus.

[@TheCuber23]

Is there anyway to get this on 20XX (with Nintendont+Wii) instead of using a memory card and an actual copy of melee?

[@quesote20]

I don't have a memory card, I use 20xx on my wii. Is there a way to install it without a gc memory card? :(?

[@TheSunshineGroup]

Question: If this mod were to be accepted by the community, who (or what) makes this mod official to utilize in tournaments like Evo? SmashBoards? Who is the overseer of the official Melee rules?

[@hanswurst6720]

There are no official rules and there never should be, It's called free market. The TOs decide their own rules and the players decide if they want to pay to go to said tournament. If the rules are shitty and noone wants to play under them, then this TO will lose money, forcing him to bring out a better service next time, or quit altogether. Having some bullshit comitee with the monopoly of setting rules is a playground ripe for corrupiton and other shit. Doing it via the free market is the only way to make sure that positiv change happens as quickly as possible (and more often than not: as quickly as NEEDED). Just watch Armada's video on Mid-set coaching. He is proposing that the TO's should do whatever they feel like, but he personally won't attend tournys that allow it (same for Tournys that lack doubles). Mind you that this is not an appeal to authority, as this is about Economics and not professional Melee. I merely think that Armada has understood how this stuff works, and included it as an example.

[@TylerHyperFace]

Love your dedication and what you do for the game

[@awst0n]

Can you get this working on the mem card even with a dif version of melee? I don't have a 1.02 disc

[@Fireblaze3127]

I noticed on the mods portion of the website, making the entire lower range of the GC controller being a shield drop when L or R is depressed has been removed, is this true? Also, can I use this with 20XX 4.06? or will I have to wait for a 20XX 4.07 that natively has this mod like faster melee?

[@m0nj3]

The only unhealthy thing about the perfect wavedash are those extended Wobble setups, which I guess get canceled out by the other characters perfect wavedashes hmmm

[@jakeblaze8566]

LETS GO!!

[@bbettermelee3757]

20XX

[@yungbisher]

I'm still gonna use the ardunio, I already bought the thing and a new controller. Plus I feel like the memory card thing will be very difficult to implement on all setups at a tournament

[@calvinnguyen7835]

ya Boi did you employ a logic level converter? If so was it easy to do and does it work out

[@yungbisher]

Calvin Nguyen I haven't gotten the controller I'm installing it on yet, so I haven't had the chance

[@calvinnguyen7835]

ya Boi can you let me know how it goes? I have all my parts but not sure how the soldering would work with a converter and the Arduino

[@s_gaming71]

The thing about the perfect angle mod , is that many many people have worked countless hours and put an incredible amount of work and effort on learning to consistently do certain angles, it would be terrible for them if all of a sudden , everyone can do crazy angles everytime without putting in the grind that others had to go through.

[@runix-iw3yg]

Quick question is there a way to make this work on emulator versions of Merle if so is there a plan to release it in this project and if so when

[@gnilretsnahtan]

It freezes on the screen (still playing the music though) whenever I select name entry from the menu screen. 20XXTE is not compatible with a 1.01 disc could it be that this is not compatible as well?

[@mspiegel852]

Just tried the faster melee build with the hax mod. Dude, fucking thank you! I have 3 controllers: two where shield dropping using the south-east gate doesn't work, and another where only the south-east gate works. Now I can use any of them and my shield drops actually fucking work no matter which gate I use.

[@superginger65]

Wonder if we could also implement this with 20XXTE?

[@Dankyjrthethird]

hax is becoming a saint of melee

[@AvalonProducing]

Presumably this mem card will have the ability to play PKMN stadium w/o transformations?

[@Danimals_lol]

I was a little sketch about the arduino, but if this works out as planned I'll be very impressed!

[@kirjian]

Your soothing deep voice changed my opinion on the perfect angle mod. Dang it!

[@RobertRitchie382]

the perfect angles mod is not the same as the other mods. Dash-back and shield drop are controller dependant and thus should be given some consistency, but perfect angles can be performed on any controller and people can learn to bring their angles close to perfect. In my opinion it is giving a shortcut to what could otherwise be mastered.

[@connemignonne]

Hax is such a beautiful and honest soul

[@wtfninjaman5077]

Just a suggestion,show case your mods playin with other players and have then put their input while theyre playing. It might help remove the stigma and be introduced into the competitive scene.

[@shawnd5221]

Could we get to a point were l cancels were done automatically, and wavedashs with just one shoulder trigger and an downwards analog input, that would either be super dope or lame , I know how to do both consistently but i can imagine after a good couple years of doing this a lot it'll fuck up my hands

[@zman4220]

You're a good dude hax. I hope u can come back in full force and rep that 20xx life

[@bigdro5227]

Is there a way to use this with 20XX. Nintendon't has the "Emulate Memory Card" function, so is there a way to install the save file that way? My memory card is corrupted? Can I fix that? I don't even have the Melee disc. Am I kill?

[@DarkLinkMS]

Can this be downloaded onto dolphin? the website only covered Wii from what I saw.

[@DiscoCokkroach]

The codes are included with the latest build of Faster Melee.

[@Sasoripwns]

You had me at "its in FM"

[@lawrencegunnell1308]

Good stuff. Can't wait to try it this weekend.

[@MilkyCao]

is there a version without neutral start? because i actually find myself not being that big a fan of them

[@monkeydavid8608]

Remember that the next step of melee's improvements is unbanning Pokefloats and Mute City. They have no ledges

[@TurbinationE]

I was honestly pretty fucking pissed at Hax because of the Arduino shit, but I feel like this is a way better way of going about things.

[@stefanow.9047]

20XX next version should def have this on it for easy ISO installation on the consoles

[@TeaRektum]

I watched this at 0.5x speed where is my fucking medal?

[@Uberjunge]

Thanks for all of your hard work Mr. $

[@LoLgenious]

Is it possible to somehow make use of this mod when playing via dolphin on windows? great work either way!

[@stayontrack]

wait wait wait, so we change our controller's values on fm5.5 and now it shield drops and shit perfectly in regular melee too?

[@hustlerfour]

we're probably not going to see this in any major now, I'd rather stick to modding the controller with arduino and not having to rely on the owner of the systems or the event organizers for my controller to function properly

[@trentonlach1414]

Is Faster Melee 5.5 out with these mods as he said? If so, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me where to find it. Great work Hax!

[@maxfennimore9964]

5:43 I think you'll love because it is great. Got me so hard

[@levingy9285]

I agree except for the perfect wavedash; people shouldn't be able to make a perfect wavedash. Making it possible now changes the game in a way that I don't like. I want to preserve the risk/reward ratio and skill required to make a good wavedash.

[@lhautlow]

does it work on PAL ? I mean we guys in EU would also like some mods like that, cause all of our setups are in PAL

[@twgkidd6065]

Its quite endearing how dedicated he is

[@HatzajaOfDaggerspine]

Thanks a lot for your hard work man! :)

[@madison_hailstorm]

That Samus perfect wavedash kreygasm

[@hanswurst6720]

*cough*...did you see that vududash?

[@solamanhuq7780]

holy effing shit. good work Aziz

[@davidbessex6685]

is it possible to load the mod on 20xx training pack 4.07+?

[@AidyHD]

Although Hax has made some fuck-ups in the past, he seems to genuinely care about melee and it's community, which I respect immensely.

[@felixronkainen8880]

Can this mod be applied on top of 20XX 4.05 or does it have to be vanilla melee?

[@Dr3am9553]

20xx update with this stuff would be amazing. I'm never dropping a punish again

[@TennisAddict-yp5nt]

Say I use this mod and practice with it, it doesn't change the fact that it won't be used at tournaments. So wouldn't the aurdeno (?) be better?

[@matthewthompson8625]

Sounds good Hax$, but how does this apply to tournaments? The tournament organizers would have to install this onto their wiis, and if they don't we still have to deal with shitty controllers : /

[@metalsky851]

Wait so the arduino mod is still good right? And it should work with the memory card mod? I unfortunately just don't see every one in my community getting this so id rather just have my control modded so I don't have to get accustomed to modded memory cards and then have to play a pools match in a regular one. At least for now.

[@calebperez7549]

waveshining with perfect wavedashes is wobbling v2

[@ethanripp2322]

1. Waveshining with perfect angles only gets you 2-4 shines, to do the infinite combo you must master reverse JC wave shines, making the tech extremely difficult. 2. Furthermore, the waveshine infinite is easily escaped with SDI, not to mention that it is practically impossible for the fox player to do it from 0%. The problem with wobbling is that it takes no skill and that it is 100% inescapable. The waveshine combo is extremely difficult to do and not even very rewarding since the opponent will SDI out. Furthermore, people can already infinite waveshine without perfect angles because of JC waveshine... are you suggesting we should ban anything that takes skill? Should we ban tech chasing next? Stomp knee?

[@calebperez7549]

Ethan Ripp fox can do a turn around uptilt to a backair to an edgeguard.if it's falcon or peach, that can mean death

[@drakedoesgamez4927]

but isnt it fair if all players use it?

[@ethanripp2322]

+CALEB PEREZ so? Is there a problem with fox having kill options?

[@pirateswinyay]

I think changing backdashing/shield dropping is fine (because it removes aspects of luck and controller bias from the game) but making perfect wavedashing easier is unnecessary. These mods should be used to fix minor inconsistencies in the game as minimally as possible. If we are going mod the game to make unnecessary changes we might as well just play PM or an entirely modded version of melee. Melee has always been great because it's always been melee. The game has never been patched, balanced, etc. Patching unnecessary aspects of melee spoils it's integrity imo.

[@TyroKith]

pirateswinyay And I don't know that rounding out the entire cardinal tip of each direction is necessarily the least invasive way to optimize the controller. Why not just make .9875 the new 1.0?

[@shaunfowlermccreight7573]

I shield drop without using the axe method, wonder how it would affect that

[@Markedspain]

Hax beat me to the punch. Today I sat down and recorded an entire review of the Arduino mod and how, even though it works great, the precise soldering makes it is too difficult for the average smasher to install. Guess there is no need to finish my review now.

[@ghettoblush2578]

is there a version of the new gameplay software for arduinos?

[@iridelombardi]

does it work on pal?

[@bigrig5552]

Hax fucking broke

[@lune9757]

P1NK3Y14 HAXFUCKINGDOLLARSIGN

[@tipsybun]

P1NK3Y14 his hands

[@711Rod]

holy shit this is even better than the arduino