Another Fatal Night Engine Failure. N298PM

[@maryanndodds58]

100% Dan , Pilot miss handled an abnormal situation in the Baron, though the Swiss cheese started when the plane was stationary on the ground before take off. But lesson is fly the plane even in an abnormal situation. Keep up the great work Dan 👍

[@terrallputnam7979]

Dan, I see young people on FB standing beside a plane where they just got their PPL or first solo. I congratulate each one and tell them to always use their checklists and to watch your channel and get familiar with AQP and DMMS. I hope this keeps them safe and flying for many years to come. Keep up the great work!

[@manifold1476]

Yup. A group of young aviation students, learning at the pace of drinking from a firehose, relax one day to celebrate a milestone in their training. Half a lifetime later one of them recalls a random dude's mother hen comments from years before, which turns out to be the critical piece of info that saves everyone's neck. Uh huh.

[@tew2-tew]

I appreciate this vids so much because of the safety-angle. I'm not a pilot and never will be(retired truck-drvr)but staying alive is the thing. Thanks Dan

[@definitiveenergy1878]

This is a very important and much needed channel for aviation, ID's the gaps, coverups and corruption re FAA and exposes pilot bad habits, complacency-discipline and preparedness. Tough love and common horse-sense- not always easy to watch but Absolutely necessary.

[@rinzler9775]

Happy to hear you got your medical clearance.

[@yaterspoon57]

Hey, great intro by Jeff. The look, the timing, the point! Had me fooled there for a second. Nice job!

[@ugot2cthis896]

We didn't know we had twins ! !

[@nicholaskennedy4310]

That foto of you Dan a t the 1:16 min mark brings home HOW DANGEROUS Aviation is. I started in 1974 in a C T210 and Hang Gliding at 14 yrs old. I've flown GA since and Para gliders, Hang gliders and now Gliders since 1997 I'm really careful but also very aware how things can go sideways even when being cautious, conservative and prepared. Flying is fun as hell but...... Happy Holidays. Nick Kennedy Telluride Colorado

[@PatrickDuffy-u3s]

Driving a car is statistically far more dangerous.

[@Will-j8q1w]

I'll say one thing...these fatal accidents are thinning the herd of stupidity and making the skies safer.

[@paulputnam2305]

Great job on producing this video Dan. Thank You so very much for really caring about people’s lives. You are Awesomeness Extreme! Way to go on your great leg update. Much Respect, Love, and Hugs. “Woof Woof”

[@ludvikblondal9885]

Been to osh. Wonderful show but...this is INSANE!!!

[@michaelmcfeely6588]

re: Baron crash at Catalina. There were two CFIs on board. Was the second CFI in the right seat? They should have shared the workload and employed good CRM. One pilot maintains climb, and the other pilot messes with landing gear and circuit breakers.

[@mattvanwolput4868]

Hey Dan, thank you for all your time and hard work. Regarding the Kalem Goldberger crash, he did survive. Although his CFI, Yankele Friedman sadly passed. I had flown with Kalmen and Yankele just three months ago in a demo flight and Yankele attended our EAA chapter meeting. What a genuine and kindhearted guy.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Yes I saw that. Initial media had it the other way at first.

[@tomwilson1006]

1 Millican = 1/1000 of a can 🥫

[@rinzler9775]

People flying the wrong way in the pattern should immediately have their flight qualifications revoked.

[@Will-j8q1w]

That's just a small number of stupid decisions pilots make yet they're allowed to continue to fly...crazy isn't it.

[@AbandonedClassicsOne]

Dan - I know Part 121 is not your usual thing but have a listen to the American 321 out of LGA a couple of days ago. Bird strike, declared a mayday and diverted to JFK with an engine out. Were told by the incredible NY controllers 'caution wake turbulence' due to departing 330 and the request for a straight out if they went missed was denied for the same reason. Told to make a 90 degree left turn instead! Had the 330 aborted, the 321 would end up with an unnecessary EO go-around. ATC got to do better with a mayday aircraft.

[@kCI251]

They need to do better with bird control.

[@thomassawicki2065]

Miss Amy and Dan. Beauty and The Beast .

[@YahushasDisciple]

🥰

[@patrickmcnabb1998]

Love the DB content.

[@skypilot7103]

Hi Dan bought Laura Savino’s book Jet Boss you owe me for some sleepless nights that I could not put her book down LoL Merry Christmas Dan glad to hear you’re healing well. Sincerely Ed

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Thanks Ed, Our very best to you this season.

[@Agwings1960]

I flew a Taylorcraft into Oshkosh in 1985, they were landing two at a time, one aircraft would hit the numbers and one would land mid field.

[@QueenRenne]

HEY YOU’RE BACK!!! 😅👍🏾💯💙

[@barrydysert2974]

Northern Northern California checking in !:-) i'm looking forward to a full report from the FSANA conference. And of course the year-end data in January.

[@Kaipeternicolas]

I used to always want to fly into Oshkosh but since your videos a couple years ago talking about this, I’d never risk my life flying into there VFR. Only way I’d do it is IFR with a proper approach or take a rental car.

[@jamesburns2232]

The National Air Races in Stead, NV were cancelled this year because of liability. That might just happen to Oshkosh too! Insurance companies are not happy to insure these events. 🧐

[@dermick]

I think it's smart when ATC talks to a pilot that's clearly totally messed up that they sound cool and compassionate. That's not the moment to start chastising someone for making a mistake, no matter how serious. While I agree that having someone from the FAA have a talk with a pilot that does something stupid is a good idea, it needs to be done in a way that enhances safety for all, not just to punish a knucklehead. If there are a bunch of FAA inspectors hanging around airshows trying to do ramp checks and issue Brasher warnings, people will stop flying to airshows, and that will only hurt aviation.

[@greenbeenie2]

As a instrument rated pilot, in my opinion, the first THREE things you should do after take off is FLY THE DAM PLANE, FLY THE DAM PLANE AND FINALLY, FLY THE DAM PLANE. Just my opinion....WE ARE GETTING TERRIBLE WITH "STICK AND RUDDER" SKILLS !!!!!

[@Will-j8q1w]

No one uses stick and rudder anymore...they use their IPADs!

[@Pilot_Ty]

Autopilot in flight training needs to be illegal expect when training TAA for commercial. Autopilot in Private, instrument TRAINING needs to be illegal.

[@pattyhaley9594]

and fly it as far into the crash as possible,. Bob Hoover

[@FloridaFlying]

Dan, I have a feeling that the RV-12is crash in FL was fuel starvation or spatial disorientation. He flew for about 4 hours beforehand (KCDK doesn’t sell fuel). The RV12 has a 20 gallon tank, burns around 4.5 gallons per hour. In my 12 I plan for 2.5 hour legs. The last moments of the flight are troubling indeed. I met Steve and his son at Sun n Fun, they were very kind to me

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

I see no good reason to conduct this flight this way.

[@terrallputnam7979]

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Never changed.

[@Will-j8q1w]

Never followed either.

[@HolladayAviation]

31:23 Turning base that tight to land on a dot is NOT a good idea for the average pilot. The ultralight arrival is worse IMHO. I will never fly into OSH again.

[@barrie888]

great stuff friend

[@jamesb777driver]

This operation at Osh is just dangerous, those low level, low speed, tight high AoB make me cringe.

[@jacksaloman9513]

On October 2, 2024, at about 1000 local time, a Douglas DC-3A, N143D, and a Bell 206L-1 LongRanger II, N306PH, were involved in a ground collision at the Atlanta Regional Airport-Falcon Field (FFC/KFFC), Peachtree City, Georgia. The helicopter sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. What was this all about???

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

This apparently happened after the airplane had been sold and the new owners were out flying it around. I have no idea but the DC-3 did hit a parked and unattended turbine helicopter while taxiing. The damage to the tail of the helicopter was substantial, but no idea on this story.

[@thomasmckendry8566]

Rumor has it, KOSH went full stunning and brave 2 years ago

[@colinmccune569]

Thanks Dan , your efforts are paying off . Awareness , knowledge , training , newer and better technology in avionics , aircraft design , ATC systems all help contribute to lowering the accident rate .

[@offshoretinker]

I wonder just how many of the pilots dying this year subscribe to this channel? Probably none, as if they had done they would be alive today.

[@donallan6396]

Until criminal culpability is applied to some of these so called accidents, nothing will change.

[@jackwalsh1468]

Dan, it's good to know that you "Have a leg up" on life. Perhaps safer excitement in going "Bungee Jumping"... Cheers, Mate.

[@chrislohr8459]

Drones? Drones? I want to hear your take! I fly my Mooney from NC to NJ regularly. No mention of GA danger in these drone stories. Guess someone has to die before we get some action/attention. You solved the 50 year old case, I see a new opportunity for you.

[@jthomas2728]

Shouldn't all pilots who carry passengers be fully trained and certified as instrument only flight capability and require a minimum of hours of instrument flight time every year to maintain that capability ?

[@RandomName841]

All pilots with an instrument rating already have to maintain currency

[@michaelsullivan3553]

Know your limitations in a plane

[@axelknutt5065]

Pardon my ignorance but what’s a brasher?

[@ph-scprv9113]

Warning, citation or ticket.

[@axelknutt5065]

@@ph-scprv9113 thanks Simon 👍🏻

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

A notice of violation. Given over the radio immediately. Paperwork to follow. Normally reserved for idiot acts or intentional acts.

[@axelknutt5065]

@ got it, thanks Dan

[@frankprio4490]

Ive done it 5 times..in everything from a T210...to a 172....to an Archer....and in our C23 Beech. Its fun......the key is to get there early....but sometimes there is fog and not great visibility. Ehat er didnt like was waiting for the schoolbus to pick us up to get over to the gate...it takes a long time to get into the show. Also, waiting at 7pm to get out......we lived in Chicago and only needed to get back to KMDW. I just drive up now.....

[@terry12327]

DAN your are real news on/for aviation... 😊

[@9014jayvictor]

Lol Gee Dan!!!! I am so sorry that i dis agree with your politics and even your world view ! However, you know how to fly ! keep your wings level and above stall ! Go between trees and dont hit them ! I was a farmer !!!! When my father and brothers were boys an Aviator landed on the farm and took my Dad and his brothers for a ride while My wonderful Grand father watched ! ! Thus Farmers accept the exspence when a flyer needs to land ! Merry Christmas Dan !!!

[@nossonyoffe3805]

@Dan thanks so much for producing these videos every week , I have a correction on the last fatal the Tecnam P2008 N298PM , the pilot was a personal friend of mine , the pilots name was Yankel Friedman who was the instructor and he’s the one that died , the second person in the plane Kalman goldberger , suffered a fractured foot and he survived

[@skyjakeX]

Yikes, after watching Air Venture stuff, no way would I go up and play in that sandbox. Single engine at night? No unless I’m burning kerosene.

[@SheldonRunkle]

Non pilot here,but study crash’s for many years !…Is it lack of training !…or WHAT ? !…that SO MANY PILOTS CAN’T DO A GLIDE LANDING WHEN THEY LOSE THEIR ENGINE ? !…WEARD ! !

[@CraftedChannel]

Dan, how about a Dan Gryder look-alike context for Oshkosh? Give them the attention they deserve.

[@randynopasri]

"DB" is fun ~ ! OSHKOSH really needs a FISK facelift for sure !

[@donriedl3484]

Wonderful job every week !!!

[@crphilipp]

How many fewer Part 91 hours are being flown per year? Is there any way this statistic can be generated.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Flying hours are way up!

[@thomasmixson7064]

Insurance companies are expert in determining risk & probabilities.To achieve the beneficial results of significant recurrent training in GA, insurance companies could easily determine the less likelihood of a deterious incidents following required recurent training. With prohibitive insurance rates for noncompliance, recurrent structured training would become the norm.

[@axelknutt5065]

Actually I think the ATC at Osh. are amazing, trying to control all those planes but it does sound frantic without any room for error, and is an accident just waiting to happen.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

ATC at Osh is frantic, high pitch, and the terminology is non standard. It’s ATC trying to fly the plane for the pilot by screaming urgency. “Tighten it up” and “one continuous turn to final” and “keep it descending on the downwind” are absolute illegal phrases by ATC and there’s more. The hysteria creates a non stabilized approach that NO ONE is trained for or ready for. It’s FAA and EAA liable for deaths caused by the chaos that was created by design. There will be deaths next year again.

[@Littlebigbot]

Mike Ginter is a disgrace. AOPA should help him find a new line of work.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

No he is perfect as head of safety for AOPA.

[@closdi]

Is that new website up?

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

No. January 4, 2025

[@johngreydanus2033]

The drone thing is easy; what big event is looming? New Years Eve, they are practicing for a huge countdown to midnight show, probably with Taylor Swift singing Auld Lang Syne. FAA knows and this explains the stone walling by all agencies, top secret.

[@coqui4736]

I drive in this highway everyday day it’s on the approach to HPN. My condolences to the family of the instructor and wish a speedy recovery to the injured occupant.

[@PuckerFactor10]

Slow down! For crying out loud!!!

[@uploadJ]

Play at .75 speed?

[@johngreydanus2033]

@@uploadJ Exactly, don't be a victim, take charge!!!

[@flyer617]

Regarding N645PM. More will come out but I believe he didn't try to land on the highway. The final approach is right over that highway (the lights cross it). He had an engine failure to the north and tried to make it to land straight in on 16 but was too low (look at his ADSB reported altitude and the field elevation, and note that he was reporting less than field elevation when ADSB cut off which was still further out than where he crashed. I suspect he tried to stretch the glide and stalled it then crashed. I also don't like his speed during his descent from cruise; it looks uncontrolled and if he had set up for best glide and trimmed for it he is likely to have had enough extra energy to have made it. So I don't think the problem was flying at night nor that he tried to land on 684. Just my humble opinion with very little data.

[@ProPilotPete]

I don’t understand why since we have ads-b they can’t call out N-numbers, perhaps no replies but positive control with vectors. Line them up on a 3 mile final, stabilized approach.

[@thatstinsongirl]

Plenty of NORDO airplanes flying into OSH. ADS-B can’t legally be installed in every airplane. I’ve flown into OSH 6 times now and never felt unsafe. Annoyed sometimes, but never unsafe.

[@RambleOn.]

37:29 N702P Mensch- If not another cause... Seems like he MAY have run out of gas- the 2 previous airports/stops didn't have gas... So, was perhaps looking to land on the hwy, & when got close to empty, made the turns to lose altitude? & then may have hit an electric wire or something...? @probablecause-dangryder

[@robertbostwick3840]

you show the % of fatal compared to total accidents, but how many accident for flight hours i think there is a lot less general aviation flight hours

[@joefin5900]

Solve the Gary Caladori crash, Dan. Merry Christmas.

[@michaelmatthews6258]

Craziness. No thank you!

[@pathdoc]

Are you counting fatal accidents or total fatalities? It seems total fatalities could skewer the results depending on the size of the aircraft or the number of people on board. It seems to me that number of fatal accidents is a more accurate rate.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Total Fatal accidents. Number on board does not affect the rate.

[@AnarchyEnsues]

They are treating civilian pilots like they are naval aviators

[@AirJockey100]

I have no desire to fly into Oshkosh

[@alexmikhael5061]

17:07 ''The arrival is an FAA procedure, so FAA Air Traffic Ultimately determines......'' ummmm don't they have something written in WORDING About the distance tween landing aircraft??? WHAT IS THAT NUMBER/TIME?? compaired to the mass arrival during PEEEEAAAAKtime?? issn't it like 30 secs or 90 secs? and like maybe they neeed 2 more runways by the street on the edge and make THAT another runway LOL sigh.... it's dangerious to be that close to people you have not trained with, well it is dangerious to be that close to other aircraft you HAVE trained with BUT with TRAINING comes some mitagation of da dangerious gotchyahz .... sigh... but I still think about that 90 mph turn high bank down to the first dot... shudder

[@alexmikhael5061]

31:31 lawd haf mercy ....... oooohhhhhmmmmmzzzzzzz prayers blessings may the HOLES in the swiss cheese NOT ALIGN for you, and all!! :) BE SAFE AND MAKE GOOD CHOICES !! :)

[@alexmikhael5061]

honesly tho, thatzza what most of my landings look like in FLIGHTGEAR (it's a free flight sim I AM only a fan not involved with the project)

[@mbmb1799]

that is why i do not fly to any of these fly-ins. too dangerous.

[@trappedinkalifornee]

Hahahahahaha…..an AOPA GOD…..FLYING IN GOD MODE….the rules only apply to those who choose to apply them. Elon himself could not pay me enough to fly into that mess……I’ve done my combat time.

[@rogermatheny5512]

We don’t teach airspeed control full stalls slow flight or spins. What do you expect?

[@SkyKing337]

Elon Musk's "GROK" is running the entire Drone AI psyop.

[@greenbeenie2]

DAM!!!!! I THOUGHT THAT SENACA WAS A B 17 WOUNDED, COMING IN FROM A MISSION...low and insane tight turn to final????? if ANYTHING would happen just then, he would have been SOL. there is NO REASON for such a low, tight turn.

[@DexKoontz]

On the Mensch... Under influence, or reluctant intentional?

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

No comment. Yet.

[@SteveFletcher-u6r]

N.Idaho on station Thanks Dan

[@paulparsons3416]

And he had the nerve to wear a cowboy hat

[@Mike-01234]

Take a commercial flight and rent a car. Hotels are lot more comfortable.

[@eradicator187]

I think that AOPA organization is just a bunch of yo-yos. I don't see anything sage about them.

[@MarionBlair]

Yes, money trumps safety in Oshkosh it appears

[@PetesGuide]

It’s very ironic that Dan’s thumbnail for this video is the --Cessna-- Tecnam P2008 plane crash some have been sharing on social media as a mysterious drone crash.

[@SquawkCode]

That's not a Cessna. It's a Tecnam P2008.

[@PetesGuide]

@ Thanks, and fixed! Damndest thing; I almost looked up the N number before writing that, but decided it looked so much like a 172 that I didn’t need to bother. Doh!

[@AnHonestLiar]

I think for the intro, you must point at the hat, no exception!!!

[@RealMav1]

Dan , there is a whole bunch of people on PayPal trying to hijack your donations. I can’t figure out which one is you!!!

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

[e-mail]

[@MrMattyd1]

So im not a pilot I do go up with a family friend in a 1971 beachcraft, I would imagine its somewhat mechanical, maybe weather, and maybe to much risk taking? Wow yeah filter up, gas, and night operations, I can see how that could be difficult

[@PuckerFactor10]

ID ten T pilot.

[@Sigmatime144]

So just a thought.... when ur gonna be talking about a fatal plane crash.... maybe dont keep saying how awesome of a day it is... had to skip this vid as it was off putting your lack of self awareness knowing what ur vid was about.

[@767driver]

Misawa, Japan.

[@busman1415911]

Thanks 👍

[@TonewoodArtOne]

PsyOps

[@tylerdurden2644]

Only thing I never hear brought up is we are using over a 100 year old radio technology. We really need to address that in the days going forward. The capabilities available now are outstanding. Even maritime is far ahead of us today. There should be a commission put to together to come up with a plan. It is really insane we haven't looked at that. No reason to not be able to have aircraft respond during such high tempo ops. Well there is when the radios my father flew with in 1938 are still the norm. AM is not the way to move forward. Past that Oshkosh is pure madness today. Was crazy back in the day too as this was the first one I went to. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ommtn5qZi7-IaJY

[@ludvikblondal9885]

Checking in from España

[@roberthartmaier6643]

Kalmen Goldberger was the pilot of the plane and survived with minor injuries. The passenger was the fatality.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Yeah I’ve heard it both ways. He was def the pilot. Pretty conflicting so far on who died.

[@andfitz]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Reports say it was a flight instructor who died.

[@SquawkCode]

​@@andfitzCFI = PIC

[@nossonyoffe3805]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder I know Yankele Friedman personally he was the CFI and he died , kalman goldberger was the student and he suffered a fractured leg I know him as well

[@roberthartmaier6643]

@@nossonyoffe3805 Thanks for clearing things up

[@pamshewan9181]

Sooo dangerous. The pilot did a good job but unfortunately dangerous.

[@PaulvanderBreggen]

Dan, can you talk a little bit faster. Otherwise non english pilots do not understand you.😂

[@AquaMarine1000]

The live comments before the video commencement were deleted. Does anybody know why?

[@OMG_No_Way]

They’re still there. Just swipe the comment to the right. They’re all there.

[@rockmathias1848]

I can’t help but wonder… if you pushed full right rudder, even tho you were not the PIC,,, would the tree not have jumped in front of you..

[@davidduvak943]

Hi Dan - Duvak sitting in nc on an assignment for work

[@garybrinkman1343]

Naperville here.

[@michaelrussell5346]

Back in the very early 60’s I was a student pilot at Moorabbin airport in Melbourne Australia. This airport was incredibly busy and a great place to get used to traffic situations. I was flying a Chipmunk solo doing circuits and bumps . The circuit flown on that day was 17 takeoff and a very square 1000ft circuit ,landing back on runway 17. On this day I was halfway along my downwind leg and was setting up to land . I looked to my right just in time to see a Piaggio P166 pass below me from right to left and about 100 ft below. I knew that the culprit was in fact an ex airline pilot . Being a teenager with no perceived status I reported him to the operations manager of the aero club but nothing came of it. There was,on the aerodrome, a very modern control tower ,and they would have had a perfect view of the incident. I know that the height that you could fly across a circuit pattern was a good deal higher than the 1000 Ft that I was occupying. The Aviation Authority of the time used a lot of bureaucratic procedures and to place an incident report involved a lot of forms to fill in , and ,consequently , many incidents occurred un noticed. That recording of traffic control immediately reminded me of the recordings of the system set up for Oshkosh that we listened to in the 70,s. and still have a pucker factor . Cheers from Downunder👍🇦🇺🇺🇸 to left about 100 ft below me.

[@ebayselle]

People actually fly knowing they can die

[@patrickwatrin5093]

Right on,right on,right on!🎉

[@gregjohnson2073]

Flight chops?

[@SquawkCode]

KZbin Channel

[@ebayselle]

I miss the start time watching rerun