Pearland Tx Collision 11 Dec Part 1 of 2

[@blancolirio]

Stby, technical difficulties, I screwed the pooch on the edit...here comes the rest of the story...kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrHloqOpc1la8k

[@oldRighty1]

Channeling Paul Harvey :)

[@rbrazz]

had a feeling I was missing something. Thanks for the work you do!

[@DrHarryT]

I was wondering??? A good explanation of the systems but nothing about what happened that the guy felt he had to return in such a hurry that he ran his aircraft up the butt of another one.

[@nickarganbright7218]

Kinda thought it ended abruptly, but almost appropriately, like after proving the plane would still be flyable you made your point and it needed no more explanation.😂

[@alldeeplearning949]

I might be pessimistic .. but there is no way the current basic requirements to obtain a private pilot license, is nearly enough for anything called understanding of how an aircraft really works nor for any safe flying. The number of yearly deaths caused by lack of knowledge of basic flight and/or poor decision making are a clear statement about it.

[@Ticklestein]

I saw a comment on VASAviation’s vid about this: “Right now, Juan is figuring out how to do a video about this without throwing F bombs”

[@JohnnyPerth]

😅

[@g0vernedhitman]

He said “F”UNDAMENTAL a few times

[@trinity72gp]

@@Ticklestein on my way to this now 🏃🏾‍♀️

[@MikeC_CdnEng]

That there is an easy to imagine 'funny' @Ticklestein. Like any of us working in the garage on a Sunday.

[@olympiashorts]

Knowing that an electrical failure won't make you fall out of the sky requires a level of knowledge slightly above "lefty loosey, righty tightie".

[@chlyon]

Wow left loosey righty tighty , I must remembers that

[@douglasb5046]

Well said!!

[@RichFreeman]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure this is considered required knowledge for the PPL. Particularly using the artificial horizon and turn coordinator as backups for each other, and the VSI as well.

[@JosephThomas-t3n]

Idk most older aircraft is controlled with hydraulics mostly . So if you're able to maneuver , the simple switches used to read your inputs would tell you if you're screwed or not

[@JosephThomas-t3n]

​@chlyon if you didn't know that , did you know if you hold both hand with you palm away from you . Your left hand will make an L haha . And the righty tighty is always 100% , may be 5ish% a$$ backwards haha

[@scottiniowa1]

If it was that much of an emergency land in the grass to the right. Just wow....

[@dtbmjax]

Or the taxiway on the left.

[@Turd_Furgeson]

Or land long... Or do a quick 360 to get some spacing. Neither of those clowns in the Grumman should fly again. And this incident is another reason why I always flew with an Icon handheld radio...

[@somealias-zs1bw]

@@Turd_Furgeson The guy must have thought the plane was like his car and the engine was gonna stop turning once the battery was drained lmao.

[@jeffkellyb7712]

My thought was if you had to land the grass or the taxiway we’re both better targets than the back of another plane. And why was he closing so fast?

[@scottiniowa1]

@@jeffkellyb7712 closing so fast because deploying the flaps on that plane require the electrical system. Can easily land with flaps up, but not so much when another plane is ahead of you on the runway...

[@txkflier]

Uhmm, it wasn't the electrical failure that caused this crash. It was the loose nut on the yoke..

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

😆

[@rodcoulter997]

OMG…that’s funny…u mean a “loose wing nut”….right….lol

[@scotabot7826]

You can sure say that again!! I've never in my life!!

[@ZeroG_Bandit]

Oh my gosh I can't believe I've never heard this...

[@0RespectMyAuthority0]

That's not what the description of the original video says

[@NinetyTres]

Gotta say I never thought I would see a rear ender on a runway

[@DrDeuteron]

maybe on a catwalk, but a runway...gtfo!

[@davidlawrence3230]

especially right after the video on the mid-air with a static display.. oh man what to do!

[@thud105f]

Air race at Reno I think it was. Pretty viral video

[@SloverOfTeuth]

​@@davidlawrence3230 Not looking good to outsiders like me. It seems to me a pilot should know what systems need to be operational to fly the plane, and what don't.

[@regionalflyer]

A friend of a friend got taken out by a T-28 in Compton a few years ago. He lived, albeit quite injured, his student didn't, and the Trojan pilot probably thought he hit a speed bump... Never knew they were there to begin with...

[@grahaml6668]

Back soon after my PPL, with about 150 hours aboard, I owned 1/10 of a Grumman Cheetah -- great plane! I was up for a BFR and the CFI suggested we do it at night as I had only a few night hours. Well off we went, and very shortly the alternator did a self-destruct into little pieces. No juice. The CFI calmly looked over and said "great, now we can study electrical failures". We simply circled above the runway as he went through this same drill shown here, to impress upon me that this was not time to consider dying, but rather to manage the situation, save the battery, with the lights and flaps till the runway was assured, and land the airplane in a safe manner. My first and only in-flight emergency. A lesson well taught and well learned.

[@nxz453]

A nice story, and an excellent instructor you got! I had an electrical failure in flight as well during (early) training. The only two things my instructor did were asking me what to do, and watching me landing. That was a lesson well learnt.

[@rbrazz]

I thought you were going to "get back to this guy in a minute"...

[@GlutenEruption]

lol right? I got to the end of the video and was like wait what? Did I accidentally skip over something 😂

[@kwebmail2007]

This is one of those stories that's just gonna keep on delivering material I think. lol (glad nobody got injured though!)

[@greg-o5n]

I was patiently waiting for Mr Brown's critique.

[@1905flyer3]

@@GlutenEruption I had to rewatch the ending to see if I had missed the “getting right back” part…

[@AllOutFirefighter]

Hopefully Juan didn’t just fall out after sayin bye to Rick!! Lol! Maybe just too much disgust with the lack of competence of this pilot….🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

Being a pilot doesn't require you to be a mechanic, but you damn well are required to know the basics of how these systems work for exactly reasons like the video. You have to be able to make good safe decisions based on the circumstances and react decisively without overreacting. Unfortunately, the pilot from the video is getting a pretty hefty dose of that lesson and it could impact his pilot career.

[@Kaipeternicolas]

Pilot career? After that I hope he is grounded for the rest of his “career”. 😅

[@j_taylor]

Yeah this seems like knowledge you'd need just to complete a pre-flight check.

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

You sure about that? Lol Apparently you aren't required to know the basics, otherwise this video wouldn't exist. 😂

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

@@Kaipeternicolas I agree but sadly we know the FAA has very little ability to do much of anything in that regard. Hell, Trevor Jacob already got his certificate back.

[@lanceav8r]

I have to say I hope this guy doesn't have a career in aviation. He just proved he doesn't belong.

[@rln970]

Is there a sequel to discuss the accident?

[@AdamTheJensen]

I wondered the same. It seems the implication is that the POV aircraft landed with zero spacing because electrical power was out. The pilot mistakenly believed that he had no time for maneuvering (or troubleshooting) and instead needed to get on the ground immediately. In reality, all of his critical systems were perfectly operational and he could have gone around. Still would have loved more direct commentary from Juan.

[@asclepi]

I feel like part of the video is missing in this upload. In the video he refers to some things he'll come back to later, but never does. No usual outro either.

[@donmoore7785]

This is weird. Juan says "I'll get back to this guy," but he never did. The video just cuts off. Maybe he had an emergency call to fill in for another crew?

[@empireoflizards]

It doesn't sound like there is really much more to add right now...at least until the preliminary report or more info on that pilot. Juan could critique the accident pilot further but so has everyone else already. Based on what he showed here, it all speaks for itself until we get more relevant info, if any.

[@robertswartzwelder8810]

If I had to speculate I'd say there was a glitch during the final edit or upload and for some reason the whole video didn't get uploaded since there is no outro. He usually does a great job at production/editing so I'm going with technical problems.

[@6StringPassion.]

I think one of the biggest motivators today for pilots to be uber-diligent in maintaining their basic flying skill is fear. Fear that they could be featured in a Blancoliro video.

[@whiffy506]

This man was handed the smallest problem and still failed miserably. Literally acted on sheer panic and no logic.

[@ColorNerdChris]

From the comfort of my recliner, I would agree, but there may have been other unseen factors that led to this decision. In the end everyone walked away and this is now an insurance adjuster's problem. I have had failures in flight that led me in the wrong direction in - thankfully none of them led to a collision and all of them were before KZbin and LiveATC. Any of us can irrationally freak out: If you doubt me, enter "spider car crash" into the search bar above.

[@idanceforpennies281]

Everyone, including me, was screaming "GO AROUND!!".

[@chlyon]

I was like whereas my popcorn but thats just me

[@challenger2ultralightadventure]

Yup!

[@delstanley1349]

Exactly, BUT considering this pilot who is willing to fly his plane into another plane he sees landing just below him, a go around may have meant flying over Interstate-45 (he's in Pearland-Houston). I-45 in Houston is full of traffic ALL THE TIME. In his state of mind (and attitude) he may have been willing to wipe out a whole lot of cars on a freeway! In the end I guess he figured he was going to HIT SOMEBODY, and as they say "hit something cheaper" (vs a lot of cars) and deal with only the Fly people vs. Fly people+police+highway and roads people+motorists+their insurance companies. Whew! I still can't believe this guy landed behind that plane. I thought it was a bird at first.

[@highdraglowspeed402]

I"m not even a pilot and I was lolololol

[@willnelson5692]

What is he going to say in the accident report? "I swerved several times before I hit the other airplane"?

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

I always enjoy it when Juan shows the inner workings of an aircraft. Switches, gauges, indicators, etc. It shows you really need to know your stuff even in a light aircraft, yet as we've seen on his and other channels, some seem to think it's no more complicated than getting in a car and starting the engine.

[@ellend7680]

Rick is a nice guy to show us his nice plane and priceless t-shirt!

[@whymistamista5614]

Okay watched the first 54 seconds, why...why no go around?

[@whymistamista5614]

I'll watch the rest, now.

[@ButterflyMatt]

Not a lot of analysis on this video. I’m not a pilot, but I think he panicked after losing electrical supply, but mechanical systems and magnetos are self-sustaining. No need to make a panic landing.

[@5thGenNativeTexan]

Because he panicked. He thought that having no electrical was an emergency and thought he needed to get the plane on the ground immediately. Pure panic, didn't think.

[@jimlthor]

​@@5thGenNativeTexani wonder if he realized once he was on the ground.. or if someone had to tell him

[@baratono]

This clown has no business holding a certificate. Perfectly flyable aircraft and he rear-ends another plane on the runway. Idiot.

[@craig7350]

All of a sudden, the guy that collided with the T-bird looks like a genius.

[@Fadamor]

1:12 "We'll get back to THIS guy in detail, in a minute." I think Juan forgot about this.

[@MrZrryan2]

Did you miss the point of the video? There was NO emergency.... maybe watch it again??

[@blancolirio]

Here it is! kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrHloqOpc1la8k

[@Fadamor]

@@MrZrryan2 ??? Did you reply to the wrong comment?

[@MarcPagan]

"The alternator belt turns the propeller" Per a licensed pilot and would-be renter during pre-flight. He didn't fail the checkout for that reason - although a contributing factor. Rather, almost killing us when "correcting" his base to final overshoot ..by attempting to put us in a cross controlled stall at under 400 feet AGL.

[@UnshavenStatue]

......a licensed pilot trying to skid the turn to final. isn't that the first thing you're supposed to learn about patterns????

[@Mpr47276]

What kind of abject foolery was that??? Was he actually licensed? If so, Is he still actually licensed??

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Until the "hearing"....then maybe not????

[@MulberryWing]

This brings back a great memory from my long ago flying days. I was on the return leg of my night cross-country instrument training flight when the lights started to flicker and the radio to fade. My instructor immediately recognized it as an alternator failure. "Do we need to land now?" I asked. "Nah," he said. "We don't need all that fancy electrical stuff." It was a clear, moonless night, so I cancelled my IFR flight plan and we disconnected the alternator and pulled all the electric except for the nav lights. He had me continue to our un-towered field in complete darkness, navigating as best I could with my VFR chart and my flashlight in my mouth. 45 minutes later we arrived and had enough juice in the battery for the landing lights. What an awesome lesson!

[@j_taylor]

That's a great story! Your instructor sounds like a cool head, and you got some extra teaching in that cross-country.

[@scotabot7826]

I've never seen anything this crazy in all my years. All those places to land at tthat big airport. Boy, I'll never get this one, ever!

[@paulm749]

Severe brain lock. If this pilot ever wants to fly again, he should be required to fully re-train and re-certify. Additionally, a full cognitive evaluation should be performed to determine if there are any underlying conditions that might have contributed to his exercising such profoundly poor judgement.

[@bobh6728]

I thought he was going to say more about the actual crash.

[@AdamTheJensen]

Me too. It seems the implication is that the POV aircraft landed with zero spacing because electrical power was out. The pilot mistakenly believed that he had no time for maneuvering (or troubleshooting) and instead needed to get on the ground immediately. In reality, all of his critical systems were perfectly operational and he could have gone around.

[@donmoore7785]

You and I both.

[@fontcaicoya5686]

I feel like what needed to be said was said. Everything else has been covered by all the comments. Lol. Once Juan asked Mike to shut off the Master switch while letting the engine run, I chuckled and said "Well... that's all I needed to know."

[@GlutenEruption]

@@fontcaicoya5686 I don't watch this channel to get a feel for what the random commenters in the replies think happened, I'm here to watch Juan explain everything in his own factual, no nonsense, and above all through and complete way. Compared to regular blancolirio videos, this one just felt really weird, like the last 15min accidentally got cut off in the upload or something. I hope he does a part 2

[@OhMySack]

I think Brownie hit the "send" button on this one to get the subject matter out there expediently so he can now further edit and redress the subject when he's able to spend the time. 😅😢

[@bradhartong907]

I'm 10 seconds in to the video and all I can think is GO AROUND!

[@halmc8109]

Grass would have been a better choice as the plane on very sort final was likely trimmed for landing as opposed to flying over another airplane. Or attempting to do so.

[@stix2you]

@@halmc8109 No.

[@dianajeliazkova4278]

​@halmc8109 you can always go around..

[@trinity72gp]

What kind of craziness is this 😯

[@AllworkNoExcuses]

We're about to find out, seems pretty scary to me.

[@beatbrokers404]

The guy Lost electricity in this plane and decided to land it right behind another aircraft. Instead of going around because he had a perfectly good engine.

[@thunderbolt513]

Getting KZbin viewers.

[@bills6093]

Pilot was unaware that his airplane would fly just fine with an electrical failure. Should have simply gone around.

[@karoleenascottage]

😂 shenanigans!

[@tenpiloto]

That guy needs to stay out of cockpits FOREVER!

[@watchgoose]

or take additional training

[@johngoscinski1995]

Hmm. How about a word for whatever instructor let someone with that level of ability loose on the world? Sheesh. Maybe his instructor was the guy who landed in traffic over in VIctoria TX.

[@aross924]

I am sure he called AOPA after the crash 🙄

[@pi.actual]

Well he sure got the "my fault, my fault" part right.

[@ronmoore5827]

Once heard a student call the tower at Chicago Midway stating his vacuum gauge was at zero and ask the controller if it was an emergency? Could not believe he was sent solo not knowing what to do if the vacuum pump failed. Another pilot on the frequency told him it was not a big deal and just ignore the attitude indicator and look out the window.

[@davidisaacson9543]

Juan you better have a part 2 to this or I will be highly disappointed.

[@blancolirio]

@@davidisaacson9543 lol the unfiltered part? kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrHloqOpc1la8k

[@INSOFTUSA]

Agree. This is the first time that I can’t understand what Juan’s point of view is. Also the details of what this guys were trying to accomplish are not mentioned. Is there another video that we should watch first? Maybe from VAS aviation or something?

[@Craig-dr7gl]

I'm completely confused by this video. I thought there was going to be some commentary on what went wrong in the crash.

[@davidisaacson9543]

@@blancolirio I know you need time to keep it rated PG

[@AdamTheJensen]

It seems the implication is that the POV aircraft landed with zero spacing because electrical power was out. The pilot mistakenly believed that he had no time for maneuvering (or troubleshooting) and instead needed to get on the ground immediately. In reality, all of his critical systems were perfectly operational and he could have gone around.

[@lzgbe.1961]

I assume there will be a part 2 to this video??

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Juan might have completed this video but "lost it" in the analysis phase... so it is abruptly chopped off to save the ears of the innocent.....😀😀😁😁

[@blancolirio]

Yes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrHloqOpc1la8k

[@javacup912]

Seen that Cessna just ahead of this airplane, and nobody talking, gave me goose bumps. I'm like "what are they thinking?" Wow, certainly fortunate it wasn't worse. I'm sure the FAA will have their last saying here. Back in the 80s, I transitioned to a Cheetah, (the school required an endorsement for the Tiger), and that nose wheel being a caster wheel, it's touchy, but that airplane was clean, and didn't seem to wanted to slowdown. Sliding that cockpit door/roof on final was very cool, especially in the Tulsa summers.

[@pete9364]

he followed the rule aviate, navigate, communicate

[@francisschweitzer8431]

I just saw the video from VAS along with the Unicom .. this did not need to happen

[@consortiumxf]

Juan, the restraint you show in this video is admirable 🤣🤣🤣

[@Rhaman68]

I gather the plane ahead was invisible? What does an electrical failure have to do with self sequencing while landing?

[@charleskennedy1712]

He thought the engine was going to stop

[@bills6093]

The accident pilot should have simply gone around. He apparently thought the electrical failure was a dire emergency, when it's really more of an inconvenience. His engine was running just fine and he could easily fly the plane with no problem.

[@allangibson8494]

@@charleskennedy1712Certified aircraft piston engines use magneto ignitions - no external electric power required.

[@timduggan1461]

Yeah, SMH at this moronic decision. Besides the obvious poor choice, once on the ground didn't have enough sense to at least go right onto the grass?!?!?

[@tomjoseph1444]

I can't believe the guy actually did that. Hell, even if he had an actual engine failure, what is wrong with the sod beside the runway?

[@brucecuratola6389]

It’s a deep ditch, but many other options existed.

[@bardmadsen6956]

I was told the #1 rule was, do not hit anything with the aircraft.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Least of all the ground

[@bardmadsen6956]

@@andrewtaylor940 Even at the last moments, he could have chosen the chance of taking out a runway light, instead of another fuel retaining machine.

[@bryanspink8042]

The engine is producing power, it’s a clear and a million, and you have passengers onboard to spot traffic and assist with checklists…but you decide to tailgate a Cessna and collide with it after landing. I understand that losing your electrical system is cause for a little caution, but the weather was good and you had time to troubleshoot and fly the pattern. This was a glaring example of poor ADM and this guy needs some refresher training or an FAA mandated “vacation” from his privileges for a while. Great instructional video, Juan. The future generation of pilots need mentors and practical guidance on how things work on the airplane beyond just flipping the switch.

[@chrisschack9716]

He'll probably get that vacation while waiting on insurance, if he owns (owned) the aircraft.

[@kingsleykronkk3925]

Watching this I was leaning so far left to avoid the crash I almost fell off my chair.

[@orbital1782]

I was cranking my neck trying to see over the dashboard 😂

[@lancfly]

The Tiger’s cooling air exits are uncommonly forward, they are the NACA vents”on either side of the nose gear strut, directly below the engine. Also, the Tiger originally had a rubber boot from the cowl as the nose gear strut transition.

[@Parker53151]

Did he not see the acres of nice flat grass??

[@Juttutin]

Or even the completely empty taxiway?

[@Parker53151]

@@Juttutin He truly had target fixation.

[@Agnemons]

It's difficult to see the grass when your head is up your ..............

[@MartyBecker]

I guess every vintage aircraft without an electrical system is always flying in an emergency situation. 😂😂😂

[@Badgerbiker]

As an A&P for 20 years in GA, It is amazing how much many aircraft owner do NOT know about what’s going on the forward side of the firewall. I always wanted to teach a “Forward of the Firewall 101”. I had one owner point to his alternator and ask if that’s the magneto….. wow.

[@nooneyouknow9399]

Nice that Rick is wearing an “Island Hopper” shirt. Rode that route for 19 years. Brutal! :)

[@jimschnurr3512]

Thanks for the basic primer-I remember all these things but have to be reminded once in awhile. I use to put a vibration hour meter under the seat to catch cheats on my leaseback. Some might unhook the tachometer cable to save hourly charges. You should have seen when I told them we billed off this hour meter not the tach hour meter.

[@occyman]

In my 40yrs of flying I’ve learnt that literally anyone can learn to fly. But there are some seriously dumb pilots who should never fly.

[@5thGenNativeTexan]

01:25 sums it all up .... "panic return". Wasn't an emergency, etc. I've had more than a handful of electrical failures on small planes, none of which forced an "emergency". The most pucker factor I've ever had was a master electrical failure on a 172RG. This aircraft uses powered gear retract and deployment. However, it does have a hand pump for deploying the gear. The only related electrical loss was the "3 down and green" gear down and locked indicator lights. I could see the mains were down and the weight of the plane would have done nothing more than full deploy them, but the nose gear could not be seen, so I did a low pass in front of the tower and (yes, I had a handheld radio) asked them to verify nose gear down, which they did. I then performed a normal landing, with a longer rollout not stomping on the brakes in case the nose gear was not actually locked. The point was that, in all that time which amounted to over a half hour from failure, not once was not having ANY electrical an emergency.. and I flew the plane calmly and normally.

[@mattwolfe70]

I’m an experienced line service person at a busy FBO. I ALWAYS tell new trainees to never assume GA pilots know what they’re doing. It’s safer for everyone…..

[@cvkline]

One of the first things I do with my students on the ground is to pull the cowling and go through the engine compartment almost as you did here. Just understanding everything hanging off the accessory case, why it's there, and what it does, really helps pilots work their way through emergency scenarios better. I also make a demonstration at some point of getting the engine running on the ramp and then flipping off all electrical switches including both masters, just to prove that the engine will continue to run even with no electrical power as most people understand it. (I usually do that off in the runup area to avoid risking anyone walking around the ramp being near an aircraft with its meat-grinder propeller turning but no beacons or strobes.)

[@EXROBOWIDOW]

Well, that explains a small question I've had hiding under the dust in the back of my mind for years. About 30 years ago we were doing what one of my husband's engineering professors said never to do: flying in a third world country on that country's airline. I guess it was safe enough though, because they took all the precautions. First we waited in the airport terminal for hours, for the fog to clear. Weather had to be good at both airports before the flight would be permitted to take off. They had no way of knowing whether there might be sheep or other livestock on the foggy runway. Staff at the respective airports had to telephone each other to verify conditions were right. This depended on the copper telephone wires having not been stolen, which was a thing in that country years before it became popular in the U.S. Finally we boarded the regional twin prop plane. A mechanic set a ladder by the right wing, and I watched him carefully unscrew four screws on a small rectangular cover on the engine nacelle: loosen one, loosen its diagonal, loosen another, etc. I don't know what he was checking; maybe the oil. But he definitely looked like he was following a procedure. When all was ready, the plane was silently pushed back, then tugged a ways out from the terminal. Finally we stopped, and a guy standing out in the middle of nowhere walked up and attached a huge electrical cable to one engine. The engine was started, and once it was happily roaring, the cable was disconnected, then taken to the other engine. After they were finished with the cable, the man on the ground walked back out into the field and took a leak. Finally we began rolling, took off, and had an uneventful flight to our destination. Except one ceiling panel kept coming unlatched, swinging rudely from the ceiling, and foiling the efforts of the smiling flight attendant to make it behave. We took the same flight back, with no incident, except ticketing took forever because one man was paying his fare in coins. So your comment possibly answers the unspoken question I've had all these years: If it takes all that to-do just to start the engines on the ground, how would you restart them if one or both of them quit in the air? I guess they have electric power up there that they didn't have on the ground.

[@cvkline]

@@EXROBOWIDOW The mechanisms in use for a small GA aircraft like these differ from an airliner, but the basic goals of reliability and redundancy are the same... once the engine(s) are running normally, it takes a pretty big malfunction to get them to stop. I've had to reassure nervous first-time passengers in my plane when I had trouble getting the engine to start (fuel-injected gasoline engines on hot days can be very cantankerous),... "don't worry, she may seem temperamental, but I promise you, once I get her running smoothly, she will STAY that way."

[@billrivers3839]

Holy F. I was in the right seat on a piper cherokee ages ago (1989), KHGR-KOSH when everything went dark. Rental plane. Alternator fails, we’re 30 minutes from our alternate (CAK) , then everything goes dark when the battery fails at 2200 over eastern Ohio. Pilot had a handheld radio, we were IFR, I called pan pan as he flew and then we set it down at CAK. IFR but on a clear night, we knew we had plenty of fuel. PAN-PAN to get a straight in. Basic lesson was aviate-navigate-communicate. The guys in the back slept through it all. PIC was a colleague in grad school in AE, Marine Harrier pilot. Alternator belt failed, and I didn’t recognize it slipping - I’m sure the ammeter/voltmeter were giving early indications. No panic, and the runway at CAK was sooo wide and long…

[@allangibson8494]

Belt failures rarely announce themselves… (But you can sometimes see they are fraying or perished).

[@billrivers3839]

@@allangibson8494 And after the alternator was fixed, we launched at 0100 for KAZO. Idiots we were, as the PIC, the GA pilot (sleeping in the back), and the 2 student pilots all had our own Blancolirio Aeronautical Decision Making Tools and should’ve just gone to a motel. None of us checked the repair, so of course the cowling on the right side flew up immediately at rotation, and we came back in. Common sense (or fatigue) then took over and we went to a motel. When the alternator failed on approach to CAK, cockpit went totally dark. PIC handed me his handheld radio, tuned to approach, and I managed comms. Night VFR, no clouds, visibility 10+, and CAK in sight and unmistakable. If we’d been IMC, or CAK below VFR minimums, or an hour earlier over the mountains of WV, I wouldn’t be typing these comments.

[@allangibson8494]

@ Fatigue rates right up there with being drunk. Nothing beats eight hours sleep for either.

[@videotrexx]

At 1:11 "Will get back to this guy in detail in a minute".... and nine minutes and 37 seconds later the video ended without ever getting back to the actual accident!!!!!

[@blancolirio]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/anrHloqOpc1la8k

[@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain]

It’s not often you get first person views of an aircraft crash from the cockpit. Maybe all GA aircraft should have dash cams installed.

[@davidkavanagh189]

Cockpit cams that can see the controls and the view ahead would be most useful and not even expensive to implement. The problem is a lot of owners wont like the sentiment of fitting some tech that potentially documents their demise.

[@billkraemer4710]

@@davidkavanagh189when the FAA gets done approving it, it will be expensive.

[@davidkavanagh189]

@@billkraemer4710 It's clearly already being done by some. There was a Beech Bonanza crash covered recently on the Pilot Debrief channel where the pilot had such a camera mounted to the cabin roof looking at the controls/instruments and it made it really easy for investigators to see what caused the accident. For GA flying I don't imagine much or any certificating would be needed to affix a go pro type camera, possibly with a memory module in the tail somewhere. No shortage of KZbin pilots already have multiple cameras all over their aircraft.

[@MrHercules222]

Thanks for bringing this right down to an educational perspective. There are so many people who would put themselves in the exact same situation because they can't understand that they have options when they do.

[@Gundog55]

I saw the airplane on final ahead right off. WTF?! This looks like the pilot was sucked into a tunnel vision situation. I didn’t know that an electrical failure would cause a pilot’s peripheral vision to wind down along with the flight instruments.

[@guidolyons4912]

Nothing like turning a minor inconvenience into potentially fatal collision. Great job turning a molehill into a mountain.

[@paulsherman51]

Or oppositely, a divot into a revene?

[@chrisnielsen9885]

My opinion is that the pilot knew the pax was recording for YT and used the electrical failure as an excuse to make himself youtube famous with a dramatic emergency landing but he never expected the aircraft in front to brake and turn in front of him and that's where it went wrong.

[@sky173]

I've been waiting to hear your take on this debauchery, lol A good 6-pack and he still doesn't go around.

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

Dad taught me in the 60's to look at the drive belts on the various cars he owned. I learned if the water pump kept turning...press on. If the power steering belt broke, be ready for hard steering. Which belt drove which component and which combination of driven accessories were/were not critical. He once drove out of a bad neighborhood with a flat tire. Tire and wheel were ruined but we avoided potential confrontation.

[@u4ia420]

Beautiful aircraft.. I always really liked the lines of those old Grumans.

[@alanholck7995]

I like the Air Mike shirt on your friend.

[@matthewholliman1399]

I have been waiting for this commentary

[@donmoore7785]

I feel like I missed something in this video, which to me is light on connecting the video at the beginning to the segment with Rick's plane. In any event, there appears to be agreement that the pilot messed up. But I don't really appreciate the connection between the two. I am guessing the point is, keep flying the plane if it is still running and don't feel like you have to land on top of another plane if it is in your way.

[@bills6093]

Juan's tour of a similar plane was to illustrate that the accident plane was completely and perfectly flyable for a nice calm go around. No need to land and crash into the other plane.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Juan might have completed his analysis...... but had to "clean it up" (by chopping it off) for general consumption...and to not get a 'strike" against his channel...

[@InForTheLonghaul]

I feel like the system knowledge is almost beside the point in this case. If you are that desperate to get down, why not aim for the grass? Adrenaline does weird and wonderful things to our minds sometimes, I guess.

[@bowdoin5063]

Excellent tutorial Juan

[@ckhoshkhou]

About 20 years ago a c152 maintained by the company i still work for was subjected to a forced landing. The pilot chose a field of tall crop and as you all have already guessed, suffered from the standard c152 nose gear collapse. This in turn flipped the aircraft over onto it’s back. The pilot and passenger fortunately escaped with minor cuts and bruises. The reason for the forced landing, the LV light came on whilst he was around 10-15nm from the home field so a mayday was declared. The culprit for the LV light was a failed alternator. The pilot was “experienced”, and in my opinion ought to have known correct procedure and options. I’m fortunate to be an engineer and pilot so i feel although I’m better educated on the in’s and outs of the various types of aircraft i fly, but am reminded almost weekly by owners/students/renters at how little is taught during the ppl process.

[@matt_b...]

I saw this elsewhere on KZbin and one of the comments said "Juan is gonna lose his shit when he sees this one"

[@foxfire212000]

I know you’re not working or with the FAA, what is going to happen to him? Or what could happen to him? Because at the very end of the video, his hand was on the throttle indicating he knew the plane still had power.

[@airtechmech6681]

Accidents like this one are mind boggling! I made numerous touch and goes there as a student pilot over 40 years ago. I even did a successful(planned) dead stick landing there with my instructor. Didn't crash either! I used to rent and fly Grumman Tigers like that one at Hobby airport, too. Loved flying those.

[@gtarick1225]

You the man Juan! Great showing on the "pilot's discretion" podcast btw! Keep it up!

[@petersmith8134]

I have tons of hours in multiple AA5B's and never had one start like that. Amazing improvement.

[@IamCec]

goddamn this is why people are scared of GA

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Why you should be scared of every vehicle in front of you, behind you, beside you and approaching head on every journey you make on a road in or on any vehicle.... One "system" fails and the panic sets in and "CRASH".... That's about as logical as being scared about GA.... it's the same people up there... just far fewer of them because the cost of entry is so high You know, BMW, Mercedes, Lamborghini style airplane prices....oh wait....

[@scottbohannon5860]

Awesome report Juan! I love these hands on videos!

[@swerne01]

I thought you said in the beginning of the video you were going to talk about the collision. I didn't hear you say one word about the collision. ???

[@descendantofphineas7785]

Been teaching for 35 yrs. The most difficult part is getting the student to study. Flying is the focal point with every student, not the details. Lack of knowledge and lack of good judgment was this case. They always go hand in hand.

[@steelem422]

Love the old ashtray been years since I seen one like that in the little plane thanks for the free education

[@Les__Mack]

Thanks for another great one!

[@mediocreman2]

I appreciate the tour of the aircraft, but how did that tour connect with the crash in the first part of the video? Was there another video somewhere?

[@bills6093]

The accident plane was perfectly flyable to do a go around. Juan is explaining that in detail with the tour.

[@loudidier3891]

Juan just explained that an electrical failure is an inconvenience in VFR conditions in small planes, not a reason to panic and destroy two good airplanes. He was showing us that all the critical stuff still works.

[@CFI-King]

Thanks Juan! I'm already sending this to my PPL students - great scenario-based training material.

[@LucasMurphy-g1m]

Maybe this was a low time pilot that just panicked?? Regardless, very poor decision making..

[@grayrabbit2211]

I lost instruments on climbout of my first solo. Engine still worked, no abnormal noises/smells, just had a complete loss of vacuum. No big deal. I did my 3 touch & goes, then brought the airplane back to the hangar.

[@Agnemons]

Once the wheels leave the ground panicking is NOT an option.

[@2-Hands]

Question, do they cover what to do if you lose Electric Power when getting your Pilot's license???

[@j_taylor]

I assume so. In fact, I guess this would be part of preflight planning, as a possible failure at takeoff. My experience is in sailplanes, though, where systems are vastly simpler and you absolutely must know how to deal with failures.

[@zosoachilles]

Unrelated, but I was a Grumman/Bellanca salesman in 78/79 based in Atlanta. I went to Savannah multiple times to pick up brand new Tiger's & Cheetah's. In short, Grumman lost interest, had a field of these completed and offered the dealers great prices, just please come get em'! Both models were fine airplanes and advanced for the day. Before the Cirrus, the Tiger was a great example of speed with a fixed gear. To bad this particular pilot's risk mitigation was up and locked. The outcome could have been much worse.

[@carlosspiceyweineify]

I had a similar experience, many moons ago in my young pilot days I was flying a Cessna 210 just building hours at my local airport. Earlier that day the owner had been at the aircraft updating the dual gns 430’s in the aircraft however he had some issues with one updating all while he is powering this on battery master with no ground cart connected (first hole in the Swiss cheese), later that day when I attempted to start the battery which was showing around 23.6V only provided enough juice for two blades before the starter motor cut out, after two attempts I noticed the volts now around 19V so I elected to hand prop it. After a few attempts she finally kicked into life with the ammeter showing a slight charge. Run up was normal and during my taxi call on ctaf a dash 8 responded with an eta to circuit around 12 minutes. I took off with flaps 10 and no issues, safe height and speed, good rate of climb flaps and gear up… and all my radioes go dead along with the hydraulic motor driving the now dangling gear. (since this I’ve never cycled flaps and gear at the same time) turns out the battery was out of capacity and while the ammeter was showing a charge there wasn’t really much left in the cells to charge, coupled with an old alternator which was nearing replacement the whole system just failed under load. Immediately I selected gear down and started pumping the emergency gear extension. With a dash 8 looming and no radioes in made a left hand circuit to land flap less, plenty of exits along the runway to not fluff about when down. Turning final I noticed the airport reporting officer conducting a runway inspection and initiated a go around. Unsure of how far the dash 8 was I made the second smart decision of the day (go around being the first) and entered a hold on the dead side of the active circuit to wait for the dash to arrive only then to return for a safe landing. I learned a lot that day which has certainly kept me out of trouble in my later flying career but most of all even after a few dumb choices if you find yourself in a tricky spot never force an undesirable outcome.

[@j_taylor]

Good ADM and analysis. Your closing line is wisdom to live by "If you find yourself in a tricky spot, never force an undesirable outcome."

[@oh_my_science]

3:28 best part of the analysis here

[@markhodge7]

Every pilot would do well to have Juan in the left seat.

[@paulregan9245]

I take the point here as being to understand basic flight mechanics....an electrical failute does not necessitate an emergency risk all landing. Prioritise safe flying. Lots of better options for this guy...for a start fly a better circuit to keep spacing on the slower aircraft ahead. Have a separate hand held radio on board and put out an emergency call...get the circuit clear. Take the grass. Ground loop onto the grass etc. etc. Most of all fly the aeroplane...but not into an obstruction . He got flustered by a situation with folks flying with him by the looks of it...possibly a relatively new pilot?

[@semanticoverlord]

VAS Aviation already has radio traffic up with comms including the Cessna. Can't believe it went this way.

[@donmoore7785]

I'm going to check this out, because it may shed some more light on the overall situation and what was going through the pilot's head.

[@Bane_Diesel]

I have been waiting for this video... from blancoliro.

[@marks6663]

so the reason why this guy rear ended another plane is because he did not understand the electrical system on his aircraft? I want to know why he thought it was okay to land right behind a plane.

[@StretchMiller509]

What in the wide world of sports?! SMH

[@ToddRichmond]

"my fault" - understatement of the day...

[@069FS]

Nice one JB - a useful Instructive tour. I'm still curious to know... Does the Husky's fuel saved over that shiny airframe equal the extra fuel needed to carry the 50kg of polish around?!

[@maximfdrv]

I see some issues there on the demoed aircraft. Those worm hose clamps which you can see on vacuum hose from vacuum pump are not very reliable. They are getting loose over the time and they are not clamping with equal force around the hose. Possibly ok on the car but not on the airplane.

[@allangibson8494]

They are standard on aircraft… They aren’t holding any pressure (vacuum system remember).

[@rapier5]

It'd bad form to bust into a discussion but I had heard that in the 50's and I suppose before then there were artificial horizon gauges which presumed a front view, in other word not from the pilots perspective. Is this true? I ask because somebody proposed the Buddy Holley crash plane had just such an instrument and a non aware pilot. Is that possible?

[@aaronhammond7297]

Don't know, but I think some move the aircraft icon rather than moving the horizon, maybe that's what you mean.

[@StrongDreamsWaitHere]

I believe that in Russia, the artificial horizon operates differently than in the US, and that may have been a factor in the crash of an eastern European airplane by a pilot who is transitioning between Ilyushin and Boeing jets. But I am so vague on the details, I’m sure there are much more knowledgeable people out there.

[@aaronhammond7297]

In mother Russia, artificial horizon moves you.

[@rapier5]

@@aaronhammond7297 Could be. The result being the same and counter intuitive from the standard pilots seat view.

[@stevenpederson1645]

You turned off the master switch and the video ran out of fuel shortly after, I guess you didn't have the aux fuel turned on.

[@zenjoe5226]

If you have ever had the experience of holding a magneto when the drive gear rotates slightly you will never again forget that an ungrounded magneto makes spark. We used to race with the big MSD ignition magneto for V8 engines and that thing would straighten your hair.

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

Rule 1 don't discuss fault at the scene

[@AdamTheJensen]

I thought rule 1 was "aviate," which this pilot clearly failed to do.

[@hotrodray6802]

Moot. The video tells the truth.

[@cantstandtheestablishment4004]

That is just all kinds of STUPID!

[@David-d4k9k]

Ridiculous. I can’t operate my flaps, so instead of doing a go-around I’ll land on top of the aircraft right infront of me and hope I don’t kill everybody.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

The horror…the horror. How did this happen

[@gcrauwels941]

I like that feature of the digital tach showing rpm drop total at mag check. Pretty cool.