Another FNAF Ruin Mystery SOLVED?! | How Does the VANNI Mask Work?

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Friends, another day another FNAF reaction. There are SO many talented creators out there, you all know the big names like Fuhnaff, RyeToast, HyperDroid, and ID's Fantasy. Today we're taking a look at one of the smaller creators in the space that is doing some REALLY cool stuff, @TheChiptide is taking a classic Game Theory approach of math and science to solve some of FNAF's biggest mysteries. Let's throw on our Vanni masks and watch together!
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[@TheChiptide]

Well, this was unexpected... Also, for those curious, yes, that is a golden deer logo on the shirt. #FearTheDeer

[@ShySamSky]

Well deserved and fun.

[@HotaruMitsuki101]

FEAR THE DEER

[@Paichan13]

I see you're a Golden Deer of culture as well.

[@theocdgamer7559]

I coud be wrong but didnt cassie say her father favorite animatronic was bonnie? If im remembering that right it gives more weight to her dad being the one to trap the mimic.

[@theocdgamer7559]

I have been watching multiple fnaf ruins theories but after I watched the latest live fnaf reaction video the video said Cassie's dad might have trapped the mimic, I thought of something I never heard people think of We all originally thought the security system was made by Aftan since it was a rabbit. But didn't Cassie say her father's favorite animatronic was Bonnie? I believe This would lend credence that her father made the security system since it is also a rabbit right?

[@jacobhogan3208]

It's cool to see Matt give his thoughts on a smaller channel's theory/video. I appreciate it, It makes it feel like an actual community a lot more.

[@turnedkestrel1459]

Nice Profile Pic, you excited for the return of Tennant?

[@UnfunnyLemon]

love your pfp!!

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

MatPat is good for that honestly. He's reacted to community fan creations and Reddit theories, so small youtubers isn't really so different. Was John (FuhNaff) a major creator when he was brought into the fold?

[@dancesmokesmile344]

@@turnedkestrel1459 I wish he could be the Doctor again for a season or something instead of just a few episodes. It’s gonna be so nice to have him back though

[@workstudy8118]

I am going to go binge chiptides videos after this

[@audreylee4283]

"Is not that I'm not Im-pressed, is more just...I'm De-pressed" best line i heard xD always a blast to see matt enjoying content made from other channels, giving them a chance for both their theories and audience to grow! 😊

[@lolbit5637]

T I m e s t a m p???

[@writing_noah9726]

@@lolbit5637 4:45 ish

[@TheHistory85]

In candy cadet's story, the "monster" learns to mimic the mothers voice just by watching and listening. This could easily parallel how the mimic picked up Gregory's voice.

[@AlekMax64]

This Halloween, my highschool’s theater department did a Fnaf haunted house to celebrate the movie and it was amazing. I got to dress up as Bonnie! We really pulled out all the stops.

[@singlesocksara7548]

That. Sounds. Amazing.

[@am_crowner8265]

please say they called it Fazbear Frights

[@AlekMax64]

@@am_crowner8265 Oh you know they did.

[@Lilith_StardustYT]

​@@am_crowner8265OMG YESSSS

[@Val_Simp09]

What school do you go to!?

[@steveburns6636]

I am so glad more people are acknowledging the implants At first it was as if people forgot about them when it came to theorizing about ruin

[@AxiEisa]

Yeah like Bro the Vanni mask INJECTED nanobots into you and it SAYS that

[@kiracomments-chca2747]

@@viewer6152: I feel like I'm one of the 5% of ppl that realizes that anything is possible and can happen and we really have to consider EVERYTHING that literally anybody has to say, proof or no proof because some theories do tend to actually be the truth even when there is no proof until later on. I'm still confused as to why ppl don't consider what anybody else has to say(no matter what it is about) and sees some theories as truth... humans are confusing ;-;

[@ellespoonies]

@@viewer6152The way I see it, the lore has always had ultra advanced technology way back then. It’s just that Scott keeps changing exactly _what_ that technology was. First it was just illusion discs (and technically prototype robot children but we didn’t notice because people were very against the idea of advanced tech at the time), then it changed to more intense robot kids, then it was the more in depth illusion technology that could be hidden much better, then we switched from illusion discs to the nightmare gas the new book introduces, and now we’re considering the implications of the implants too. However, I do think that the implants existing doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve always existed, much like how we know AR is a huge player in what is and isn’t real but we also know it couldn’t have existed back then simply based on Help Wanted. Unfortunately, with the way this franchise builds and Scott changes his lore depending on what gets the best fan support, there are always going to be things that change from past games that logically don’t make the most sense. It’s just the mess we’ve committed to now, and Scott even came up with his own excuse for it by saying all the past games are made by an indie dev and aren’t reliable. It’s not that theorists fault, even if sometimes theorizing makes things more confusing. It’s just a confusing franchise and the way Scott releases more information makes it worse.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I don't think it's far fetched to assume the Mimic can copy Gregory's voice without him ever being connected to the network. All real world AI (which is less intelligent than the Mimic) needs to copy someone's voice is voice samples. And if the Mimic has access to the security system, it's definitely has plenty of audio of Gregory speaking over the course of the Security Breach main game's story.

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

Absolutely. I really don't understand the "integrated into the network" logic.

[@somerandomdude8837]

also, at the beginning of security breach, glamrock freddy calls out that "[Gregory's] guest profile is unknown", suggesting that, unless having been integrated in SB (which we never saw) or inbetween games, he should still not be part of the network

[@barela99]

that and in the book mimic's story, it just learns to mimic edwin's child through observation and practice

[@longfishy]

Using this logic, yes I suppose it could explain the voice of Greg, but then you'd have to stretch that to the mimic seeing Greg enough in SB to create a digital avatar of him in the Brazil ending. Which again could be possible because it seems like the mimic had access to audio surveillance systems in SB, so why not visual? Still though, it is highly possible that the reason why Greg is being used is because he was in the system. This doesn't mean he was a robot however, more just that he was under control.

[@ShadowyDolphine]

Woah there’s a diff ending in a diff country?!

[@jp0pp20]

Ash is seriously the best - pulling out the fire emblem references and meme knowledge. Love the dynamic between them and Matt. Of course Tom is a wonderful addition to the couch but just wanted to say - Ash is one of the main reasons I come back to GTLive these days !

[@buttercup_bravo]

Their chemistry is amazing. It's so natural and easy. Not knocking anyone who came before, but, Ash is most definitely my favorite figment of Matt's imagination.

[@janette2422]

her theater knowledge is just...on POINT

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

What meme knowledge?

[@samb3209]

Ash is an icon

[@TheMstwntdLMSV123]

I love how Mat has fully committed to saying “ID’s Fantasy” instead of “I-D’s Fantasy”

[@Einsteinmusic]

Some days he says it correctly…some days he chooses violence😂

[@ellespoonies]

he’s committed so hard that even I say it some days by accident 😂

[@MarkFonts]

these eps aren’t posted in filmed order, he got it right for the livestream with her i think!

[@dummdumm6735]

i unironically call them that because of MatPat now. and its mostly because hes the only one ive actually heard say it outloud

[@somebodykares1]

Technically the AI Inhibitors arn't only preventing her from wearing the mask there are points where the inhibitors cause the mask to stay on and deactivating allows Cassie to remove the mask.

[@KikiSohma]

Exactly. It almost feels like the MXES programme realises that just scaring Cassie to take off the mask is not working. By making her keep the mask on, the MXES programme can summon the nearest animatronic to her and "deal" with her.

[@somebodykares1]

​@@KikiSohma It's still a bit unclear how the Animatronics would get to some of the locations that MXES summons them to, but its possible reason for the moments where the Inhibitors cause the mask to stay on.

[@ellespoonies]

@@somebodykares1At least the way I understood it, it makes sense. Based on Security Breach, we assumed that due to Vanny and Burntrap / Glitchtrap the animatronics were put into a corrupted version of security mode so that Vanny could control them while keeping them in an inherently aggressive mode. That said, MXES is a security entity, is it hard to assume that it would somehow be able to access the same security network the animatronics are using to protect the Pizzeria and from there influence them into seeing Cassie as a threat, when usually they wouldn’t see children as dangerous? I could see that happening.

[@somebodykares1]

@@ellespoonies That part makes sense, its just how would the animatronics get to those locations especially in their broken conditions.

[@KikiSohma]

@@somebodykares1 Maybe it is just a case of gameplay design rather than lore. However, I feel summoning the animatronics if you keep the mask on too long around MXES makes some sense for the times MXES makes you keep the mask on. In terms of how they get to those locations, at least one animatronic is able to get to where you are except the server "room". They may be broken, but they are still able to move around everything.

[@joshuagrapher]

As for the discussion at the 1:00:00 mark, I think Mat is taking the fact that "Gregory" is there in the Brazil ending too literally. I don't think any information we have suggests that the people in the Brazil ending actually had to be victims of the mimic, he just.. mimics them, for Cassie's benefit. It's a trick. Gregory being present in the Brazil ending doesn't mean he's "used the Vanni mask in some alternate, alternate ending." It just means Gregory is a source of comfort for Cassie, and the mimic used that to lure her into giving in.

[@nightshade4502]

True. I saw someone else theorize that mimic has Gregory information through Freddy when he was briefly controlled by the system where the mimic could have picked up recorded things by freddy about Gregory.

[@SpaceCadet22]

The part about not being physically able to touch the fake AR obstacles in your way makes some sense to me, actually. I think it's probably similar to how it takes around the same amount of force to bite off a chunk of a baby carrot as it does to bite off your pinky, but your brain stops you from being able to bite hard enough to take off your pinky. I think it's probably a similar mental block preventing you from walking into the fake boxes; maybe even enhanced by the same technology as the occipital transponder? If the tech exists to make you see things that don't exist in high detail, it definitely would stand to reason that the tech could also be applied to make you strongly feel like you can't push hard enough to walk through that object.

[@wenzley]

MatPat with stubble isn't a usual sight, i think it looks good tbh!

[@mirjinou7999]

Gt live inspires me... My parents said if i get 50k followers they'd buy me a professional camera for recording begging u guys❤️

[@prfcthell]

we dont care @@mirjinou7999

[@Hahapenisfunni-]

HES GETTING THE DAD BEARD

[@Kolljak]

StubblePat

[@bug7055]

lookin sharp

[@dianalopez130]

For Tom: the 29 and 1/2 foot pole reference is from How the Grinch stole Christmas by Dr. Seuss

[@chrismaeleon]

Thanks for that! I had no clue either 👍

[@chojay13]

Except it's a 39 and a half foot pole; so close! Lol

[@kintoshmalae1]

Always assumed that Helpi was separate to the mimic - a part of the system that was itself being corrupted across the course of the game (in the same way that Cassie was potentially being impacted by wearing the mask). As for Gregory never wearing the Vanni mask - he did however spend a decent chunk of the main game inside Freddy and given how he could see through Freddy's eyes, implied a potential integration similar to how the mask worked. While Freddy was potentially not integrated with the network at the time, his body was reclaimed during the ending and while it may not be able to provide a full integration that the mask might, would likely have enough information to at least recreate his voice.

[@GendoRokabundi]

Also, GGY tells us that Gregory was previously under the control of Glitchtrap, as patient 46. So, whether or not he ever wore a VANNI mask, he had to have been possessed somehow. So, the Gregory and Vanessa in the Brazil ending might be the 'remnants' of those possession.

[@lego_the_cat]

Freddy would have had tons of recordings of Gregory's voice that could be used by the mimic once Freddy was reclaimed. I wonder if that data would have been kept in Freddy's head, which was mysteriously not near his body in ruin!

[@bpsara]

The AI uses Cassie's line "Gregory, are you there?" which she says at the beginning of the game, BEFORE she started wearing the mask, meaning the mimic was able to record her voice without it. Because of that, I don't think it's strictly necessary for Gregory to have worn the mask to get 'copied' into the AI (although he totally could've after the alley ending or before SB). From what I understand, the entire Pizzaplex building is part of the network, which makes me think the mimic could've copied Gregory from all the security footage of him (and even from the animatronics). Especially since a lot of the things fake Gregory says during Ruin are phrases taken directly from his dialogues in SB.

[@RoseLove783]

A KZbinr has done the FNAF OSHA Violations that is seen through the games alone. It’s a long episode, but it’s definitely worth YouTubing for sure!

[@lieeeleeee]

Fruitshark’s one is great!

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

Link?

[@plutoplexus8656]

Hi

[@sierragurth7322]

That was only for Security Breach though. Good vid nontheless.

[@ghostmistwho]

The difference in clothing choice makes me so confused about the temperature in the attic, is it cold and Tom is one of those people who don’t get cold? Is it really warm and Matt easily gets cold? What’s happening

[@ShadowDemon_4]

New Style Theory!

[@stiletteleray1326]

Well Tom is from the UK, Matt has lived in Cali and the US South (both typically warm climates) so I imagine they just have different comfort levels.

[@buttercup_bravo]

Matt's a jacket guy so he's probably just as comfortable in a jacket as Tom is in short sleeves. That being said, I have that jacket and purple on the inside isn't as toasty as the reverse option.

[@TheCubifyer]

Mat could be wearing the jacket just to show off the new merch.

[@Anna-vi3xm]

I think Matt has said before that he gets cold easily, which is why he’s always wearing jackets

[@tripleg9656]

Something that I feel has never been pointed out about the idea that the implant the mask gives you is the reason you see fake objects in the real world: You see the "non-existent in AR" box /before/ you put on the mask. When you receive the mask from the robot you DO NOT need to immediately put it on, you can defer putting it on and are only stopped because the box that turns invisible with the mask on is blocking your path forward (it's literally right next to the bunny-bot that gives you the mask). This means it can't be the implant that makes you see things that don't exist. Which raises questions at to what the heck these invisible in AR things actually are, it very well might be the whole game is in the Matrix from the start like Chiptide joked. It doesn't make sense for this to be a mistake since it is right next to where you get the mask, and the game explicitly requires you to press a button to put the mask on so you have a chance to look at the box before getting injected.

[@Kayta-Linda]

Well, the game probably assumes that players *would* it on immediately and only see the “box” afterwards. It’s probably just a mistake. Making the first time mask use a cutscene would make more sense.

[@chaosXP3RT]

I think it's probably just a game-play mechanic and there isn't meant to be so much thought put into it, tbh

[@RFDN0]

​@chaosXP3RT Probably, that said an option I go with only because this world is stupidly advanced is hardened light. It is theoretically possible and could in theory also be dialed down to allow others to pass. The mask having built in identification properties could explain the rest.

[@Meteorite_Shower]

@@RFDN0 I can't believe future-y science like hard light that I've first heard of years ago in _Red Dwarf_ of all places is being used as a possible theory for FNAF. This franchise is nuts.

[@kyokoyumi]

@@RFDN0 It's *hypothetically* possible. A theory is a well-tested fact. Hard light is not a well-tested fact lol

[@loganentertainment1814]

I’m excited to see what Matpat has to say about the Freddy torture mask in the FNAF movie. It’s no doubt very creepy yet very interesting. And even with William saying “I always come back” it was the way he said it before putting the SpringBonnie head. It’s as if he knew that he would come back when he dies. Maybe instead of murdering the 5 kids as a way to cope, he did it for his experiment? Either way, excited to see a Film Theory to the FNAF Movie!!!!!! 😱😀👍

[@E_Unik]

It's interesting in the Brazil ending how Vanessa is painted into the background, while Gregory has an outline. If that represents who's been copied, maybe it's supposed to show that Gregory was only mimicked at a surface level, while Vanessa was entirely taken over?

[@Tribleman247]

Honestly, this was a fun and different episode, stubble Matt (his best form, second only to prime Shaved head with beard Matt from a few years ago) and yes its just them reviewing another FNAF theory, but something about this episode just felt like some great friends who had too much sugar having an absolute blast!

[@mirjinou7999]

Gt live inspires me... My parents said if i get 50k followers they'd buy me a professional camera for recording begging u guys❤️

[@meshgamer2265]

when you said that, you hadn’t had enough time to watch the vid yet, hmmmm

[@kiracomments-chca2747]

Jokes on you, sugar doesn't make anyone hyper, it makes them sleepy.(there's a video on that too if you didn't know that)

[@Tribleman247]

@@kiracomments-chca2747 uh, actually sugar breaks down into clucose and that envigorates your cells to work quicker, as well as causes your neurons to fire quicker, hence sugar rushes, sugar very much makes you hyper

[@Tribleman247]

@@meshgamer2265 nope, watched the whole thing then commented, you know, like a normal person

[@dhi_holo]

50:40 while you're right that it's odd, don't forget how in VR games, you definitely want to avoid "falling" even when you know the floor is 5cm below the plank

[@silly_mushroom17]

On the other hand, also in vr games, sometimes you poke your head through walls and stuff to see through the other side, which in my opinion is more similar to what’s happening in the game rather than the instinct to not fall

[@courtneycooper42]

​@silly_mushroom17 But also, when playing you KNOW you're in a vr game, Cassie probably doesn't know what is happening to her so her instinct is to assume it is real, possibly tricking her brain into believing she can't go through? Idk

[@drewlefebvre4373]

I think a potential reason for having fake 'obstacles' that can only be bypassed through wearing the mask could be a way to force her to wear the mask and become more assimilated into the system.

[@adisyncunningham297]

Well i think similar BUT the end thought is a little different, trailing off to afton’s “experimentations” and his exploration in the vr/ar world. I think it may have been something he created as a test, to (POSSIBLY) lure people. Then again i dont know that much lol!

[@Lisa_Flowers]

That's exactly what the video posits, so you're in good company!

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

That doesn't explain why she can't pass through it when it's not even there.

[@ShySamSky]

Yay more Tom and Mat, 'The FNAF-BOIS' playlist is coming together.❤❤

[@DorkyWolf]

The fact that Tom didn't get the Grinch reference is hilarious, but also Chiptide said 29 and a half foot pole instead of a 39 and a half foot pole, so.....

[@the_roach_king.]

I guess it was close enough 🤷

[@DorkyWolf]

@@the_roach_king. True, but like I heard him say that, and said, "See, I got the reference, but why subtract 10 from the pole?"

[@fallen_artist]

I thought the number felt off. Every time I sang it in my head, 29 did not feel right

[@DorkyWolf]

@@fallen_artist Like, I had to pause the video and look up the lyrics to make sure that 39 was correct instead of 29

[@CrisperPoet]

I liked how matpat talked up getting Tom into reading more books like reading The Grinch was going to be harder than FNAF books.

[@jaeusa160]

@1:01:55 Well we know Gregory encountered the Mimic's chamber. His backpack, with nametag, is on the ground in the area (I think the nametag is only visible if modding the game to free cam though, maybe). It had to get there somehow. Which is weird since Gregory only goes down there in the non-canon Burntrap (or whatever it's called) ending. So this would imply he did something between the timeframe of the games.

[@dcross0616]

I think it’s a possibility that the Vanny we see in Security Breach IS that same Vanni mask and the costume we hear about Vanessa making in the therapy tapes, but the mask also just has a crudely made version of an illusion disc in it, with Vanny’s chase music being the illusion frequency. If she’s got a computer reconstruction of Afton in her head, it probably knew how to make an illusion disc to install into a technician’s mask, but because Glitchtrap makes itself look like what it THINKS a convincing mascot would look like - a yellow hand-sewn rabbit costume - the way Vanny appears in an illusion frequency also looks more like a costume than a living creature.

[@alexinator-hh5fe]

I can't believe this theory PROVES that Gregory is Mrs. Afton. Truly a revolutionary idea

[@jackwood6234]

I can explain why cassie wouldn't be able to go through the virtual objects. The human brain actually relies on sight a LOT so much so that it can override your other senses. There is a famous optucal illusion where one can trick another's body into feeling pain that you aren't actually experiencing. I pretty sure it has some fancy name that I can't recall off the tome of my head at this time, but this is a real phenomenon. Basically, the set up I saw involves having the participant sit in a chair with their arms out in front of them. A divider is put between both arms (but closer to the left arm), so that you cannot see you arm. Fake arm is placed next to your right arm where you can see it. The tester waits a few minutes before striking the fake harm violently with a hammer. 9/10 people will actually feel the pain in their arm becauee their eyes saw a hammer "hit" their arm. This phantom pain can range from a light pain to an extreme pain, depending on how fooled the brain was. What you have to remember is that the participants saw the arm fet placed there and know that its fake, but their brain is unable to distinguish that the fake isn't real. It is not unreasonable that Cassie wouldn't be able to move through those objects because her brain is telling her based on sight that thoses objects must be solid. The less she knows whata actually there, the more effective something like the Vanny Mask's false projections would be. Honestly, we can't trust ANYTHING in that game because it really could just be all in her head.

[@crappyusername69]

You'd be able to move through it backward in that case though. That experiment only works because your limbs don't feel pain, your brain just tells you they do. So the limb isn't necessary for that purpose. External objects are different, and there'd be no stimuli to truly stop you.

[@aniqueevans1547]

​@@crappyusername69I was considering saying the same thing because I'm familiar with the fake arm experiment. You'd have to do some bending of the laws of reality and suspending disbelief to apply that to walking through solid objects, but then again, this is FNAF we're talking about. In a series that has fazgoo and independently thinking AI robots in the 80s. There's not much ground in this series to reality these days, lol.

[@jackwood6234]

@@crappyusername69 That is a good argument. I'm not an expert by any means. I just brought it up as a possible solution. Its by no means entirely correct. You raise a very good point. I just wanted to state that the human brain is not as reliable as people think. I raise this counter argument: The brain telling the limb it should feel pain isn't much different from the brain telling the fingertips they should be feeling a smooth, solid wall. The latter is just simply more complex. If one is able to trick the brain into forcing someone to feel pain with just a relatively simple set up that doesn't involve implanting something inside someone's brain, then what limit is there when they are directly beaming information into an implant? The human brain is one of the most complicated systems we know of and we understand very little of it. The brain loves taking shortcuts. It may be possible to trick the brain into believing that certain objects are there just by using false visual stimuli. Honestly, if she chose just to keep her eyes closed throughout Ruin, I think she'd bypass whatever the mask is trying to do. Or may be helpi would just beam the stimuli directly to her brain, bypassing the eyes entirely. I'm not an expert in any of this and I'm not sure research has been done on anything like this yet.

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

​@@aniqueevans1547Why does everyone hate Fazgoo so much?

[@BambooAreMe]

The fact he didn’t know the Dr.Seuss reference 😭

[@na3rial]

You can tell he’s very passionate and creative, though his editing and camera script skills aren’t quite so polished yet! Excited to see what else he comes up with

[@Helena.stark.]

I just gotta say, the chapter titles are always immaculate 😌

[@PrettyMuchMiles]

I love the editing in this GT not LIVE, enhances it without throwing off the "LIVE" feel to things!

[@aud2d2]

Mat and the entire team, I really wanna say thank you for these videos featuring smaller creators! I found SO much new great content to watch just from the channels you had on your last FNAF stream. I love seeing new faces pop up in the community with different and interesting perspectives

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

Having 14-16 thousand subscribers means you're not a small creator. The fact that people think people with many thousands of subscribers are small creators means that people with less than 1000 or less than 500, or less than 200 subscribers, are miniscule creators that no one's ever going to acknowledge or care about. That is why I hate modern KZbin. It used to be about expression, but now it's all about the subscribers. People used to say that you should worry about views, subscribers, or money, but now that's all anyone cares about. You just have to wait years to actually be recognized and have to have many, many subscribers to even make a cent. Not that KZbin actually pays well.

[@stephen8156]

​@Girdyyy They said smaller creators, not small creators. The Theorist channels have a combined amount of subscribers reaching 30 million or something like that. Most channels are smaller than that, be it 14k or 100 subscribers.

[@Chieana]

isn't there a good possibility that the princess quest arcades have been invaded by the mimic? and through playing them and beating the mimic (presenting itself as glitchtrap) within them, gregory saves vanessa, but that also brings him into contact with the mimic, allowing it to learn who gregory is etc. (it is 2am while im writing this, apologies for the lack of finesse, haha) that's my thoughts on that

[@raider2299]

There’s a theory that the scrap trap design change was because william afton had to take apart the spring trap suit to get full control of his body, but added parts from golden Freddy, thus connecting him with Cassidy

[@austinhuskey2921]

I want to see a bearded MatPat. That would go so hard.

[@MetalGlitch]

If I recall, didn't MatPat have a hard time explaining why the owner of the circuit boards containing Afton's memory / digital consciousness took them back in one of the games? I just had a thought: maybe they realized that the circuit boards didn't have Afton preserved on them and instead had the Mimic's software on them. If the CEO of Fazbear LLC is Mrs. Afton, perhaps she decided to take the circuit boards back because she wanted her husband's soul, not a robotic copy. That would also match with the Candy Cadet story in Ruin: she found the Mimic, then locked it away when it wasn't what she wanted.

[@Nyatosu]

The delivery and editing of the Ash's impressed/depressed line at 4:46 is beautiful

[@Skeppable]

9:56 at this point, I feel like Mats just trying to get all of the theorists across the platform. Game Theory will be an amalgamate of personalities XD

[@soarthekid8040]

When Vanessa and Freddy talk to one another while Gregory is watching from outside parts and service, she says that she has been hearing Freddy and Gregory talking through the fazwatch... It wouldn't be hard to record someone's voice through a screen recording

[@ephraimboateng5239]

Yeah, i though it was pretty clear that Gregory wore the mask previously because of GGY, but all those security camera feeds and audio logs makes the Mimic being able to imitate Gregory very plausible

[@japbstudios]

20:20 *everyone collectively freaking out* "All of the references! And there's a slowpoke!" - Tom 2023

[@bizzarojerry]

Good to see @TheChiptide getting recognition! Dude puts in some serious work.

[@Leon_el_pro]

16:20 I’m guessing it’s from the grinch but the lyrics go ”39 and a half foot pole” so maybe it’s something else

[@shadethewolfjacobs]

The reference that MatPat is looking for at 16:45 is How the Grinch Stole Christmas’ song “You’re a mean one.” And no I’m not talking about the new film, that movie can eat dog food.

[@jonathanhibberd9983]

"I'm seeing my future flash before my eyes." Hints of what is to come. 😭

[@syweb2]

Ooftroop has a pair of videos discussing The Mimic, Burntrap, MXES, and The Entity, and I think they have some very good potential insights on both lore and how some things work or how they may influence the story moving forward. 9:55 Looks like Chip has a new fan! 16:40 It reminds me of the "Mr. Grinch" song from When the Grinch Stole Christmas. 35:10 Bro did you just state intent to kidnap someone? 35:50 Something to note that Blue Helpi, which is only ever helpful and matter-of fact (and who tasks you with _repairing_ the security nodes before you start wrecking them), refers to the Entity as an anomaly that _hijacks_ security measures. It is probably not an intended part of MXES (which is specifically the security nodes). Plus, it has similar poses to Glitchtrap and subtly emits purple glitches. The ooftroop has a pair of videos discussing this topic in a sort of podcasty format. 58:45 Tales _heavily_ suggests that Gregory is Patient 46, which also means that he was taken over by Glitchtrap at some point _before_ Security Breach. The means are currently unknown, though.

[@michaelfrank1553]

Too early for Christmas MatPat. No grinch references until Black Friday.

[@jaredowens8204]

This is crazy how mattpat gives us all this information that is not a theory episode continue this please

[@mirjinou7999]

Gt live inspires me... My parents said if i get 50k followers they'd buy me a professional camera for recording begging u guys❤️

[@user-vg8qy3xr8x]

I don’t know if I’m the only one who’s watched the undeniably canon FNAF timeline, but I feel like that would be hilarious to see Mat react to

[@jayr5728]

I'm sure he'd love it, but also probably have some sort of breakdown

[@zeed8102]

Worth noting that if i remember right, when you acquire the mask, it implies that there are engineers who had to wear that mask.

[@Troublemkr_TV]

I don’t know if you take reaction requests, but Brensnorf is a great theorist that deserves some attention.

[@Benboyyay]

Something that intrigued me was the mention of Cassie's father's role. He was an engineer. What If, instead of Henry, somehow Cassie's dad made the Mimic? There many loopholes in that theory, but Im just throwing it out there.

[@RedstoneRailroadRR]

The "fake" escape ending feels like an indication where we accept "oh Gregory is fine, the Mimic never existed" since both Happy and Gregory were the personas being mimiced. While Vannesa is just disgusted and dissapointed with us (and the system). She escaped the system, but it was a struggle and I'm sure it left some mental trauma. So to see the player commit to an ending where we willingly stay in the system, to avoid the reality in front of us, she can't even bother to look at us.

[@Hlast1]

I know that this isn't really feasible, but I'd love for Matpat to watch GiBi's Good Idea Bad Idea's 8:47:37 video on all the FNAF lore up to UCN. He has a lot of really interesting and well supported ideas that are totally different from Game Theory's perspective on those games. The final hour or so of the video is a timeline of events to summarize things. I think that if the length is too much, just looking at that final hour and maybe returning back to each section when something controversial is proposed might work (the video's properly broken up into chapters). Even if it wasn't broadcast, I think exposure to such a fresh perspective would be really good for Game Theory's ideas.

[@notatuber7724]

Instead of a board, use a green screen that you can then go through powerpoints behind you XD

[@abelgandarilla6040]

This man never runs out of theories

[@mirjinou7999]

Gt live inspires me... My parents said if i get 50k followers they'd buy me a professional camera for recording begging u guys❤️

[@WiiSports-td3hi]

that's just a theory.

[@ZoraTheDragon-go3bz]

He never will lol

[@seabass-nj2qb]

cuz most of them are from reddit

[@mindblindtina818]

When it comes to Gregory being in the Brazilian ending and being a part of the network of the mimic, I still just think that there are two main things that might build upon the idea. One, there is the chance of the mimic studying him in its confines. It seems to know about him enough that he could have been watching him during SB. It knows about different things in the Pizzaplex that it shouldn't if it's been locked away for a long time. I don't feel it's too far of a stretch to be able to monitor security cameras around the building. Two, there are just the memories that Cassidy has of him. She can remember his voice and what he looks like and with the mimic slowly getting more information from her wearing the mask and integrating, it could be easy for the mimic to access those memories and build on them enough to make a believable Gregory version to steer her. I mean, it literally did during Ruin. The Brazilian ending is just using the few things it knows about that could be reasonable to make her feel comfortable stuck in the network.

[@zacharylangford773]

This is a pretty good direction because the we know the mimic has access to the camera systems since the audio lure button plays sound matching Gregory's and Cassie's voices, taking credit for doing so on top of that. Initially, I was going to mention a weaker connection with the camera systems from the four secret cameras used to unlock the scooper room ending. But, using the Mimic's audio lure is a much stronger connection.

[@The_Dino_King]

16:10 “29 and a half foot pole” hmm never heard that before 😂

[@spencerannus]

I'm 99% sure this was filmed during the style theory shaving video

[@jinxed_goblin8414]

Hey mat! I don't have Twitter so that's why I'm saying it here but I think a good theory idea would be why the holiday season is coming earlier and earlier each year. I think it would make the most sense on style theory. Love your guy's content and have for years!

[@amandamoore7512]

Funny how the Candy Cadet story includes the monster singing the mother’s lullaby by mimicking her voice and Baby’s SL blueprints show she has “song databank” while FT Freddy has “voice mimic/luring” I wonder if the Mimic was in all the FT/SL bots and that’s part of why it’s circling back to the bunker for Help Wanted 2

[@camilaribeiras6311]

I think we should look at Cassie with the vanni mask as a virus and the "anomaly" as the anti-virus trying to prevent (or at least try to) her and anyone else from passing through and ultimately freeing the Mimic. It would also be worth pointing out the possibility that the whole anti-virus system could have been made by Henry as we currently have no hold of him and since Freddie Fazbear Enterprize took such a larger scale (Building something as big as the pizaplex with all the high-tech animatronics, playgrounds, rides, staff, etc) perhaps Henry is still linked to the company somehow (There wouldnt be a reason for him not to) and since he is obviously an expert at robotics maybe a re-skilling/up-skilling of any tech skills he had could have sprouted the need to keep any remnant (ba-dum-tss) of William Afton entrapped for good.

[@crazyinvaderfangirl1]

did ya'll forget about GGY? If Gregory is GGY, then he was wearing the mask and under the mimic's control for a long while. That's why the mimic has a store of him in the network.

[@OwenIsOnline]

I feel like when GGY came out it was a big deal and now people have forgotten about it

[@Leon_el_pro]

54:47 isn’t obvious that the “mom” is supposed to be the anomaly? Like the story goes that when the mom leaves the monster is finally able to lure the child in. The monster is mimic The child is Cassie And the mom is the anomaly

[@pokeemonitor4539]

lol, i dont think the anomaly could have poured the concrete to seal the mimic away

[@Songal18]

This was an amazing theory from TheChiptide AND absolutely hilarious reaction from MatPat, Tom, and Ash, love you guys!

[@kowaimangl7699]

Mat, Tom, and Ash are the golden trio 😂 their banter is the best

[@pokemaster_021]

its a good day when matpat uploads a game theory

[@Chlorine5572]

Soooooo I found a new word: spcae. Thanks Gtlive’s description 👍

[@SaraiCordova22]

Don't forget cretors lol

[@TheAmethystAngel]

Yes.

[@Chlorine5572]

I actually didn’t pick up on that one😂

[@SaraiCordova22]

Lol it was because of your comment that I went and looked at it

[@Chlorine5572]

😂 we must keep them accountable for their word choices

[@AgentZombieMan]

Seeing MatPat with facial hair of any sort is so strange

[@robsalter096]

always love hearing different smaller theories getting explained and seeing new channels to check out as well. one thing i havent heard much about but maybe explained somewhere is mimic seems to know enough about gregory to mimic him pretty well so im not sure how it would of learned all of these things and about cassidy being a friend

[@BrokenGibus]

can't wait for chiptide to be on the couch within a years worth of time 👍(no really he seems genuinely awesome)

[@emmaswanson2866]

it makes sense for the mimic to be able to mimic gregory since the mimic appears to be integrated into the pizzaplex systems in a similar way that the vanni mask is and as we see with the vanni mask, the pizzaplex systems hold a lot of video and audio data from security cameras which is why you hear the characters voices from SB around the ruined pizzaplex and can even see vanny chasing gregory on the big screen.

[@redacted6507]

2:30 maybe corkboards with index cards and threads would help the sound more?

[@onceuponamelody]

"29 1/2 foot pole" refers to the original Grinch song "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" from 1966. It's ok. Tom is British, so he's not used to the imperial system. xD

[@fanof5950]

Hyperdroid has a video explaining the corporate history of fnaf. I think it holds up pretty well

[@gavinjames645]

Something I think would be interesting that security breach did is what if vanny was more like glitchtrap (a digital ghost in the machine created by glitchtrap) basically a independent being with a mind and will of her own, and her physical form/appearance was actually the VANNI mask but her digital form was like glitchtrap and mxes, but in order to interact with the real world she needed a host body/vessel and she chose to possess vanessa (in that way it would technically make them separate people) and the only way to save/free her is to separate them and destroy the mask, this version of vanny would be made to be Vanessa’s complete opposite and would want to take full control of her body but could only remain in control for 1 hour a day, in this version vanessa isn’t aware that’s she’s possessed and doesn’t remember anything vanny does, also in this version vanessa is a ally who is nice and helpful while vanny is chaotic and psychotic, this idea was inspired by majoras mask (legend of Zelda majoras mask), carnage (venom) and the mask from crash bandicoot (crash bandicoot).

[@Takejiro24]

Oh wow. I really like this. It would be a very interesting direction to go in and explain some discrepancies from Security Breach. It's similar to my theory (or headcanon) that Vanny is Elizabeth taking over Vanessa's body. I like how you incorporated Vanny having limited control over Vanessa and said control causes her amnesia. Works well with the cut conversation Vanessa had.

[@gavinjames645]

Also this vanny would be more free willed and have more personality than her game counterpart, I’d imagine she would see glitchtrap as a father figure but glitchtrap doesnt care about her well being and only sees her as a tool, I’d also imagine that she would resent Vanessa for not having the troubles she has so she would go out of her way to ruin Vanessa’s life, make her existence as horrible as possible and steal her identity (P-s: I apologize for not seeing your comment sooner I just get a lot of notifications from KZbin and stuff)

[@Takejiro24]

@@gavinjames645 I didn't even realize I made that comment 2 months ago. Thought that was, like, last week or something 😳 It's ok. And this version is intriguing. Reminds me of Baby in the Fourth Closet.

[@gavinjames645]

@@Takejiro24yeah, basically in this version glitchtrap created vanny to be Vanessa’s complete polar opposite which is part of the reason why she feels envious and resentful towards her, vanny also had a manipulative and abusive upbringing due to glitchtrap, she also has to compete with patient 46 for glitchtraps approval (in my version patient 46 isn’t Gregory), in my au Vanessa had a very happy and normal life (but did experience one tragedy) but grew up happy, vanny basically envies Vanessa for having things that she never did (family, friends and happy and successful career and a good relationship with her father even though Vanessa dad is dead in my au) so this is what causes her to target Vanessa and aim to ruin her life, make her existence as horrible as possible, and steal her identity for herself.

[@shukusatsu]

All these years and matt hasn't played faith yet

[@insecure8926]

My idea is that the Mimic can replicate Gregory by using recordings throughout the Pizzaplex. Everything we see the Mimic say is essentially lines that Gregory says throughout the game, as if watching him during that whole thing.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

You cant never have enough fnaf!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@paintaeing]

i like the editing style & small little moments you guys did! gt-not-live improves every time :^)

[@gaelpamanes5818]

They should totally talk about the 8 hour long Gibi's Good idea Bad Idea "Short introduction", is actually great

[@snallyman]

I love how you're watching/reacting to smaller channels. Another channel you could watch is the ooftroop, specificaly their where the mimic ends and burntrap begins and/or where M.X.E.S. ends and the entity begins. They are super long (hour and something+) so it would be better for a gtlive vid but I feel like they bring out some very good points about M.X.E.S., The Entity, Burntrap and the Mimic that actually make sense and could work

[@hornoxthekingslayer8100]

I think I might be the only person who likes Sound Illusion Disks, they just make sense to me, plus there are so many other things in the franchise that do the same thing. How do they work? Who knows, but for some odd reason they don't bug me.

[@user-ws7ql3dw8i]

I’m at the beginning but I was literally sitting here bored and then I saw you posted a video IM FINALLY NOT BORED THANK YOU 😂

[@leovaldez680]

Tom is too preoccupied with purple guys to know about green men

[@LeoChaseTheMythMaster]

29 and a half foot pole - You're a mean one Mr Grinch.

[@lunatdm45]

Love your content, matpat! Seriously ur vids are rlly good, just wondering are you going to upload a final review on the fnaf movie? Keep doing whatcha doing, ur brightening loads of people's day

[@isabell3_sc479]

wow this guy is really good at explaining the specific parts of the story! i’m a fan of the games and even i had so many “ohhhh” moments! haha loved this reaction

[@herostorm8939]

Not sure what new editor worked on this video, but they did a great job, I love it

[@Mr_Cognito]

*matpat seeing a pattern*: so what if... The Internet: NUH UH!

[@kwaster]

wow, Ness really let himself go

[@EchoIsHere1]

I LOVE Matpat's beard

[@LifeWithMatthew]

16:45 - Come on Matt, don't be such a grinch about not getting a reference. Let your heart swell with compassion for your fellow man. If I knew how to work in a Thurl Ravenscroft reference smoothly I think that that would beeee GREAT!

[@j05494]

The only real issue I have with this theory is that there are paths that require you to be in AR to use, but you can fall through if you take the mask off. This also doesn't really explain the teleporting, and Helpi's nonchalant response the first time you teleport.

[@LuisLopez-gw3qr]

I remember asking in the gametheory subreddit if the vanni mask could be an evolution of the illusion disks, kinda glad i'm not the only one who thought of it

[@Olivflower]

In my mind, the evidence for who the mystery person who locked away The Mimic strongly points to William Afton or atleast an Afton. The rabbit references/aesthetic for both the nodes and MXES themselves had to have been programmed in and only William has shown a strong connection to rabbits. Also, MXES colour scheme does fit William's with different shades of purple. I honestly can't reasonably connect anyone else to, atleast right now.

[@zacharylangford773]

Or, Cassie's dad since one of the AR collectibles' flavor text says Bonnie was his favorite. Personally, I think this is way more likely. Maybe they are one in the same, but the context of this game references her dad much more than William Afton.

[@sassygamermama9610]

An Idea on the Gregory integration into the Mimic: The Mimic obtained his information from Freddy's body and/or the Faz Watch during the events of Security Breach. He rides in Freddy and uses the Faz Watch quite often enough to be able to have a fairly comprehensive understanding of his personality. Another thought, the Faz Watch does seem to be connected to the Pizza Plex network, since you have access to emails and security cameras throughout the game.

[@Ackerfan33]

The Brasil ending is a reference to a movie where the main character chooses to create a fake world instead of facing reality, so no Gregory didn't wear the mask.