Answer the Call Podcast - Star Citizen Reveals the Contested Zone Rewards

[@L-vs7fp]

I think we are forgetting a major factor as to why the sales were bad this year. People cannot trust their purchase after they gutted several ships years after release. I get it "alpha" and all that, but you'd be surprised at the damage they did when nerfing and temoving features from producs already sold. Brand trust is already one thing, purchase security fears will most deffinetly affect sales.

[@arenomusic]

It's one thing for them to grow, even just change, but reducing them is taking away from what people pledged for

[@t3hMaraud3r]

42:32 Now I finally have the Full Tarkov in space experience. BUGGED SOUNDS. IGN 10/10

[@jamescossey6372]

The talk about contested zones and death of a space man. I think either death of a space man should matter like it would any where else, or you should only have access to the area x amount of times per reset. If it comes down to, die, rez and put new gear on. Run in, die and do it all over again. It kind of defeats the purpose of putting a strong group together just to have to kill the same enemy player 50 times. Especially with every reset of the contested zone(weekly, monthly or when ever) everyone and thier mother is going to show up day 1 of the area reseting. Say there are 70 players going in. How can a player make it to the end if there is always 69 players chasing them. If dying in the CZ matters people will think and prep before they go in. If it's infinite lives it's about who has the most money

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Quick note regarding PVP, I think if they just ignore it, a lot of it will die off on its own. CIG just dropped a lawless system and people have an itch to scratch. Rep will of course help, but so will plain ole time.

[@lolsalad52]

33:19 Croncy: I've seen ppl saying there's good trade from pyro Mike: yeh but how good? Croncy: like 140% returns Mike: that's really good... lmao that exchange was just great. Also that's insane returns, if intra-stanton has like max 50% returns i think that would make good reason to try to haul pyro-stanton, depending on trip times too obviously.

[@beavschannel5217]

A work around I could see with contested zones and death of a spaceman, would be to have your DNA degredation based on distance from where you die to where you respawn. So if you have your respawn set at Ruin station and you die there, theres no loss, but if your spawn is in stanton, you would get some loss. This also creates a greater need to have ships with a med bed to respawn you if you're out far from a hospital, and also prevent cheesing fast travel with backspacing, as the further you are the more degradation you get.

[@lordfraybin]

Tarlov in space doesnt need Death of a Spaceman.

[@beavschannel5217]

@lordfraybin no game does, bit it is possibly an interesting way to make people think about the risks they take, and make death a little bit meaningful.

[@lordfraybin]

@@beavschannel5217 DOASM - will literally prevent people from taking risks. Nobody - and I mean NOBODY wants to spend 20 minutes of their game session "waiting" to be rescued. If you want that? You have issues.

[@Ogata123]

@@lordfraybin20 min is stanton time where you have a good chance of just being looted by the friend or alt of a guy with good med rep and finished off. Pyro will double the time and shift that chance

[@SC-gg1cp]

Mike, I think Pyro is a troll system. Why would anyone want to go there, trade or mine? You can't even go through the gate without a Polaris torp coming at you.

[@seanboundy5368]

I once helped a player at one of these settlements by killing all the npcs that had him cornered and he was laying on the ground not getting up. So (I had the Rescue Cutlass) I opened the back door and backed up to him to get him heal... he didn't move so I started to go to him to try to help, and the second I left my ship (unarmed) he kills me the gets up, runs in my ship & hits the self destruct. His excuse was, he said hi and I didn't say hi back so he took me as a threat ( I don't have a mic. But I left the rescue ship Unarmed...) that was the closest to a settlement i ever got to seeing for myself :(

[@CitizenScott]

People really need to understand that we will NOT be "spreading out" in the future. In fact, we'll be seeing way more of each other. It's pretty simple math. They're doubling the gameworld size by adding a second system with Pyro (2x), but wayyy more than doubling the player cap by raising it to 500 (5x). 500 split across 2 systems means 250 players per system vs the 100 we have now. 250 > 100 right? Right. So more players per system, not less. This has always been the plan, it's what they are currently doing, and they're just getting started. This whole "spreading out" thing ain't happening.

[@atmclick]

Pyro is much, much larger than Stanton, so the math here is off, but I understand the sentiment. I don't see it as an issue either way

[@xm153088]

I 100% disagree with CIG making less money this year than last being due to less interest in the game. The economy has been getting worse every year since covid and we are straight up seeing less money being spent on entertainment thanks to the cost of necessities. If people had money to spare they would have bought more from CIG. When we have a 17%-20% increase in food costs alone, that becomes much more important than games. On the 4.0 release subject, I say they release it bugs and all. If they hold back now it will be February or March before we see it. And for what, to fix the bugs we are already seeing in the PU? The game is buggy, they need to push out the content and do their best to fix it as they go, and at the same time add in new features. The game is always going to break as long as they add new things to it. And people will always b!tch about it. I'd rather fight bugs and get the game further along in development.

[@alexpetrov8871]

>I 100% disagree with CIG making less money this year than last being due to less interest in the game. They literally have 30% less new players money this year and 50% less than in 2022. The fact that total funding is only 10% less comparing to 2023 is because marketing team were able to squeese a bit more money from old players. So ironic ))

[@Aaron-oe4yr]

You obviously haven't seen what's going on with surging sparks and btc.

[@TheKrumstuff]

I'm not even a PVPer for the most part but even I appreciate the lawlessness of pyro. I do play with an org though for the most part so we already have people to protect our mining and salvage crews.

[@Wfdnelson]

Ooh, so sticking the rarer mineables closer to sun it would give miners less time to react to a solar flare so youd have to choose interesting.

[@realnerdethan]

Monthly updates and playtests?! Mike that's insane. Talk about the quickest way to burn out your dev team. I get the idea of closing the doors to just work on the game, but like 1 new playtest a year would be much more realistic. Tie that in with a big sale for next year's funding. They could still do monthly video updates and sell things on the store throughout the year of course. I think they should do that with 4.0. Release it, get it very stable, then close the doors for a while to just develop. Run PTU tests when you need to test something, but don't integrate it into the live environment.

[@OriginalZaehlas]

I think the miscommunication right now is that a lawless system should NOT be a system with absolutely no consequences. The systems to provide consequences are not working, so taking advantage of that is against the terms of service. Yes, these systems will come back later, but banning people for spawn camping and stuff like that is NOT overreacting.

[@arenomusic]

Hahahahahahaha

[@LarryRoberson1893]

What videos was Sharx talking about that they weren't supposed to talk about? I could barely understand him at that point.

[@rgoo519]

Lmao @ riley keeping his org secrets about the CZ.

[@arenomusic]

Classic community cringe

[@seanboundy5368]

I spent 16 solid hours in Pyro on the first day i had a chance to play it in open PTU.. and I have not once been able to land by Any settlement and check it out no matter where I went there were groups of players just waiting to kill you... I Hate playing on Pyro now.. other players have not once given me a chance to actually check it out

[@KillerTyphoons]

The only problem I have with CZ is that it's not for Solo players. People will run this in groups and those that don't have friends that play SC will get destroyed. For the record, I don't mind PvP. This is Escape from Starkov.

[@kupshy]

thank you krankle for a great podcast

[@markcritic2409]

2:04:00 middleground: let people keep playing am OLD but semi-stable version of the game. This does NOT get constant updates. -- People who want to try the new ships, new stuff - they have to do the test environment stuff just like you said.

[@frogger2011ify]

The saftey measure in eve is an invulnerability timer, when you come outside or go through a gate. Your invisible until you move or the timer expires. Somone can and will still snipe you In the safest of systems the law will just kill them right after. In eve you measure loss in isk value so the suicide bomber play is the most common. Its actually safer in 0.0(null sector or insecurity)space in eve due to player groups and no one wanting to be the first one to start a giant unprofitable shit show. Its low security space that's most dangerous in eve and thats what Staton is marketed as

[@welby32]

I wouldn't say most of the missions don't work. To be honest 70% of the missions for me worked just fine, at least the ones in Pyro. Not sure about Stanton though. I have made several mercenary missions no problem, one of that was unverified as well. Pheraps a lot of the other kind of missions are those that don't work?

[@arenomusic]

Bunker missions (usually) work, every single other contract I've tried hasn't been functioning

[@JizzyNinja]

Yo why does Croncy seem to question and push back on any critique or suggested change to the game? He speaks as if his opinions are objective truths. Comes off super defensive and at times patronizing, would suggest being more conversational to help discussion flow a bit better.

[@fatman9994]

It's possible these ships will be stolen in the future too so you won't just fly it away and pay for insurance. You may also need to have a route to get it legalized to insure it or have to just store it until you do (unless you're ok with risking losing it)

[@Vioblight]

May* possible*

[@fatman9994]

@Vioblight yup that is indeed what I said. It's all hopium but it feeds gold sinks so it makes the most sense.

[@jamescossey6372]

I think I'm hoping players realize, don't kill players doing starfarer fueling runs. Two things are going to happen if they do. People are either going to stop do any fuel runs, are there a Jack the price up so high that players would probably rather kill themselves

[@Zethez]

SC is becoming just another bad FPS shooter. This is so far from the original CR vision.

[@keland]

They need to wait to push this out. They are about to go on break and their patches historically shit itself when being pushed to the live servers. They need to publish it when they get back from the holiday break so that they can work on the issues that pop up.

[@nickstinger4709]

Half my 3.24 ships are broken and hardly playable. Even though 4.0 isn't perfect, at least I can play on it.

[@Aaron-oe4yr]

They went to early previous citcon with the big trailer and getting attention. If they are planning on marketing 4.0 it needs to be stable. It can have some bugs and what not, but people will jump in, AI won't work, might crash etc and it'll be like. omg 30 yrs in development and it's complete garbage. Or launch 4.0, keep patching till it's stable then market it.

[@justalex4214]

I think many people will be disappointed in 4.0. It's been stripped of a huge amount of features and anyone who's not into extraction shooters will have little more than a few hours of fresh content. I played the ptu for 3 days and am already bored and back to playing other games already.

[@alexpetrov8871]

41:43 "if you wanna fair fight" - there is no such thing as fair fight in SC. In SC people shoot each other in the back on sight 29:15

[@seanboundy5368]

Playing on Pyro is exactly like Playing RUST.. The community was so toxic at Every corner, they are going to make larger groups of people leave than CIG does. I fear a lawless Pyro could kill the whole project

[@RicoZaid_]

Is the argument Pvpers get to have fun (and take more risk) and get the best gear. PvE players have to grind and pay the PVP players for gear. Shouldn't the PVE players be able to get the same gear without PVP?

[@corvoadam5598]

No? Why you need the gear for your pve missions? It will literally not make any difference to do your pve bounties, the stuff are all pvp meta lol

[@kaltenp7870]

@@corvoadam5598 ffs mate i love the PVP but even I know that PVE includes combat missions where getting access to good combat gear is desirable

[@arenomusic]

​@@kaltenp7870Desirable enough to die to another player for? Or just to pay for? See what I mean?

[@deathsmessenger]

It's stupid to make miners take part in pvp for the best mining gear. For example, it's dumb.

[@vorpalrobot]

Why would they need to?

[@deathsmessenger]

@vorpalrobot because cig are designing the game that way. Same goes for example making someone who hates pvp dogfighting in ships do dogfighting for the best fps weapons. The best gear for all game play loops of the game should be obtainable by doing said gameplay loop

[@Jay-xv1jd]

​@deathsmessenger why don't you wait untill they make the game first? This is just pyro... first launch...man peeps be crazy thinking this is the final product... did you not watch citizen con?

[@deathsmessenger]

@Jay-xv1jd please don't be as moronic as you look.cig have made it clear what they want, and so far, they are on course. Plus, it's been said from pretty much day 1. The best gear will be behind pvp /high risk

[@notcarson2227]

Womp womp

[@JJS563]

52:03 This guy is an actual nob

[@johnr3514]

voip will add nothing to help prevent stupid.

[@GeneElder.R027]

I heard him say that and winced myself. He is getting further and further out of touch, it wont be long before he is wearing an ascot.

[@AlexanderMielchen]

First caller, why are we keeping knowledge from other people, in an alpha.... none of the things you gain you will keep long term. Kind of cringe that this kind of secrecy is already a thing.

[@pythohoar]

If you have all the answers, why play the game? If you have access to all the secrets, why explore? Yea things will change, somewhat… but the point still stands

[@AlexanderMielchen]

​@@pythohoar That's not the point, if you want to read something instead of finding out, you will always be able to do that, at least after release on some website. In this case, something that will most likely give his org an advantage is kept secret, it is so good that he even pointed out that his org will get mad if he shared it, this has nothing to do with me wanting to explore or not. Since I don't know what the secret is, I have to assume that is either an exploit, which they should report instead of keeping for themselves, or some spot that you can use to kill anyone who walks in, giving you and your org a major advantage clearing the CZ. I might even be a combination, some spot you can get to, but it's not intended to be there etc.

[@L-vs7fp]

I get what OP means. I understand why they do it, and how it helps fund the game, however we are funding the game. Backers in this project should have acess to every asset down to the grey/ white box and plans of everything they are doing. Again I get why it is the way it is, I mean Ive been here since 2014, but I too share a simillar sentiment.​@pythohoar

[@beavschannel5217]

Because, while still alpha, it is sort of also a released live service game, and people play it as such, and play it regularly. Also not everything will be found by release, the longer you can hold onto information the longer you have an advantage over the other players and orgs you're competing against. So while some people, like you and me, see SC as still an alpha in testing and maybe not worth getting too invested in, others are just enjoying it as it is now, and playing regularly. I kind of get their point too, as we don't know if/when the game will collapse, so might as well play it as a "released" game now.

[@chomp7927]

between that and his fucking crying about people holding to the PVE things that CIG has said for a decade plus... cringe all the way around

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

Is every player abusing multiple accounts? Bad mentality to be thinking "I want these weapons on multiple accounts so I have spares". That's not buying into the universe.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

WRONG, you get more then 1 Chance to release 4.0..there's a 4.01, 4.02, and 4.03 and ON and ON. Really the BIG ONE is 1.0 That's the release that will bring in 10's of thousands of NEW Players who have been waiting for Star Citizen to "Release". 4.0 while Big for us old backers is just "Another NOT finished its not done it still Alpha release to everyone else who isn't Knee Deep in Star Citizen. Currently 4.0 isn't any Worse then the Current PU. They are both buggy crashy barely works..4.0 just adds more content that doesn't work half the time. You Know the same as always.

[@arenomusic]

Yeah, the change from the hangar module to 3.0 wasn't that big or important. Surely the change from 3.0 to 4.0 won't be that hype either. You can't be serious

[@honorabledodger]

mike is fun.. but wrong

[@GeneElder.R027]

Not suprised Mike would defend seal clubbing. Hes got people to watch his back and give him the rewards cuz he is a content creator. Must be nice to have privilege.