Dating Expert Reacts to TOXIC TikToks #3

[@lindamadsen1400]

Hi, Scandinavian sociology student here! I just want to add something to what you discussed about Scandinavia and gender equality laws/policies and the culture :-) While it is true that Scandinavia might have more gender equality laws/policies than most other countries, there are still some issues regarding this, e.g. only men have compulsory military service (at least in Denmark). Furthermore, the gender equality laws/policies actually make it very difficult to discuss the cultural issues with gender equality in Denmark. Some conservative politicians even argue that there is no such thing as gender inequality in Denmark BECAUSE we have these laws. They do not acknowledge the cultural issues that lead to gender inequality. In this way, I feel like the US and other countries actually are better at discussing these issues. When #metoo was discussed internationally some years ago, many people (not just conservatives) laughed about this in Denmark. Luckily, we now have a second and much more succesful discussion about #metoo in Denmark at the moment. Some public figures (such as the mayor of Copenhagen) even have been forced to resign after women this time around had the bravery to speak up about sexual assault. My point is, gender inequality is not just about laws and policies but also culture (which you also argued). Scandinavia might seem very gender equal on the paper, but there are some serious cultural issues that we have a hard time discussing and changing. That being said, it is a big privilege to live in a country with such laws. I love your content ❤️

[@iFkNxLegend]

So it’s like the egalitarian policies have minimised the differences in some ways but have served to magnify differences in other ways?

[@lindamadsen1400]

​@@iFkNxLegend I am not sure if it has served to magnify the differences, but it kind of 'hides' the cultural/social issues. The egalitarian policies are used as an excuse for not discussing gender inequality, because someone always can say that Denmark (and the other Scandinavian countries) are very equal countries because we have those policies. But we do have issues with sexism in the workplace, different social 'rules' for men and women, women taking more care of the home and children than men do etc. This is of course also true for many other countries, but these issues are difficult to discuss in Scandinavia because some politicians (and others) do not acknowledge them as gender inequality issues because we 'officially'/judicial have gender equality. Hope that makes sense?

[@iFkNxLegend]

@@lindamadsen1400 ok I was just trying to make sure I understood your point. Thank you for clarifying

[@lindamadsen1400]

Just to clarify, I think Scandinavia is a rather gender equal place compared to many other countries, but I just wanted to say that gender equality is much more than laws and policies. Regarding laws and policies, Scandinavia has come a long way and is better than most countries. But when it comes to cultural and social issues regarding gender equality, I think Scandinavia has many of the same issues as most other countries have - but these issues are just not always recognized in the Scandinavian societies.

[@lindamadsen1400]

@@iFkNxLegend Thank you for taking your time to read it :-)

[@hbee6466]

The "You're not like other girls" thing is a turnoff for me even if the guy has a reason for saying it. It just proves that he does not see women as three dimensional characters who all have something unique and beautiful. I'd actually LOVE to be like other girls cause a lot of them are A M A Z I N G

[@msgirly6827]

Yep

[@lampad4549]

See that just seems like toxic behaviour on your part, your taking something that is inherently meant to be a compliment and assuming the worst intent and background behind it plus your projecting the motive as well. It could just mean that he likes you more than any other girl hes been with or he resonates with you more that's it. Maybe the other girls hes been with might have been very abusive towards him you sure want to be like them.

[@hbee6466]

@@lampad4549 Thanks for your reply and invitation to think about my words more. I think it's more nuanced than I stated in my first message. Of course I would ask a guy why he's saying it, and if he would tell me previous girlfriends have been abusive to him I wouldn't judge him. But this specific line is, in my experience, often followed by "they're all so basic and you're special" or something along those lines. If he really believes ALL other women are basic, it's a red flag.

[@scottlukacovic4600]

That statement pretty much screams "I'm sexist!!!" Big giant red flag

[@ethan-scott]

Double standard. Do you view men “as three dimensional characters who all have something unique and beautiful”? Nah, didn’t think so.

[@murzikmurzik2453]

Please react to "Is she into you?" By Casually Explained

[@lyblabs2456]

PLEASE

[@godlee6099]

Yes PLEASE do this

[@jayskiv4125]

Great idea

[@estrelladml5882]

YES

[@DeadPointDelusions]

That shiz is funny

[@artisticagi]

Your videos are like a refreshing breath of air after being trapped inside all day

[@Carla-de2sz]

Person with a sexuality degree here: The peacock analogy was one of the worst things I've ever heard. But Jordan Peteson isn't wrong, a study came out recently that looked at this globally-but like a basic principle of research is that you can't paint with a broad brush and draw conclusions from one study. Also, gender roles are changing constantly so men and women are constantly changing, there is no "way to be a man or woman".

[@Vincisomething]

As someone with a bio degree, the peacock analogy was trash. And according to his logic, he wouldn't be selected lmao. What does he have to offer on top of misogyny and thinking his 8th grade definition of "eVolUtiOn" explains everything.

[@Simplenotion]

also he basically denied that women are able to rape men...which happens more often then we all think it does.

[@ashlye.o]

yes, besides other animals should never be compared in terms of sex with humans, they have literaly other nature, imagine saying a cat that thay shoul fuck just for pleasure as we do. You can take avery animal to comparasitioin and put warever arument, eagles for loyaly, or these peacock traying to make a diference in male and female.

[@cabbastyles.]

Yes

[@katrin6388]

havent seen that part yet, but the thing about peacocks and other male birds with captivating features, just proves that the idea that males are visual creatures and females are auditory creatures, is false

[@nextned]

A LOT of my girl friends relate to the post nut clarity video lmao! Matter of fact we didn't even know men felt like this.

[@AnthonyRecenello]

REALLY!?!?! i had no idea!

[@iFkNxLegend]

I think the difference between how you and Dr Peterson are looking at the argument is one of experience vs data. You talk about the people that you have met and how you found that women can embody masculine traits and men can embody feminine traits but you have said in other videos that the way you meet people is by going near people you find interesting so you have that selection bias. Dr Peterson is just talking about data where random samples of populations have been taken so that selection bias isn’t a factor if the samples were truly random. When you look at that data it shows that men tend to embody certain traits more often, women tend to embody certain traits more often and that the differences in the embodiment of these traits are magnified in countries where egalitarian policies are more common. These studies don’t say that all men are one way and that all women are the other way and of course there are outliers within the data but when you view that data on a macro level there are strong general trends. These studies have been done all over the world but Dr Peterson comments on Scandinavia because those countries stand out as the most egalitarian and the most different between men and women. I don’t think Dr Peterson is saying that egalitarian policies are bad just that if the desired outcome is for men and women to be truly equal (I couldn’t think of a better way to phrase that) then the data is showing that egalitarian policies are not the way to achieve that. I think you both make excellent points and ultimately the difference between your argument and Dr Peterson’s argument stems from the fields you both occupy. Dr Peterson comes from a data science field where conclusions are drawn from general trends in data. You come from a very human field where the focus is much more on the individuals. I think it’s important to get general trends from large datasets but there are real people at the core of this and so we cannot lose sight of the individuals. If anyone actually took the time to read all of this then I’m impressed. I didn’t intend to this comment to get as long as it did. It’s still not complete but I can’t be bothered continuing it.

[@robin6728]

Read through the entire comment. Couldn’t have put those points into better words if I had tried.

[@iFkNxLegend]

@@robin6728 thanks for taking the time to read it :)

[@wp4872]

I read this all the way and you’re 100% correct.

[@iFkNxLegend]

@@wp4872 thank you of reading it. I think ultimately both men want to help people and different parts of what they try to teach will resonate with different people

[@PilotHardy]

I agree that Dr Peterson’s argument is scientifically based but his field is clinical psychology. You can’t get more “human” than that ;)

[@gerardo9052]

Attacking the bald guy because he is not good looking? Talk about bias "Dont debate these people, just debate with people with no bias" 🤦🏻‍♂️🤡🤣 And who is shutting down free speach? "These people want to shut you up" Projection much?

[@happywings15]

Anthony Drivers license by Olivia Rodrigo is blowing up and all of a sudden I care about the chemistry behind her and her ex Joshua Bassett. could you do a part two to that video with more videos where they were interacting

[@mronyxhd4201]

You didn't understand what JP was saying or not the totality of what he is saying in the whole interview. He says that studies shows that if you make the society more equal (equality of opportunities) you can see that more women will go to some fields (like nursing) and that more men will go to other things (like engineering). The thing to look at is not only the numbers but their evolution through time.

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Yes I know what he's saying.

[@sarius363]

Yes I even thing Anthony is right at the point that you can’t have an total neutral society. But I think still J P has the right point that in this cultural way they tried to be the most neutral and less “sexist” and still could not determine the big differences between men and women.

[@mronyxhd4201]

@@sarius363 Well he doesnt just say that they are hard to determine he is saying that they are bigger than anyone expected

[@richardstark857]

Its impossible to get the full context of what he’s talking about from a short clip and easy to misinterpret either way

[@Ayoutubeaccount3]

@@AnthonyRecenello in the study he's referring to you'll see the arab countries have the highest amount of women working in STEM fields, arguably the most sexist countries in the planet where women still can't drive at about 40%, on this argument where you see in the more egalitarian countries that they encourage women to work in STEM fields and provide scholarships for them e.g finland belgium norway sweden swtzerland ireland are all about 20%, I'm from the UK and study computer science, 90% male dominated in my university, I looked at the data and women who applied were more likely to get in, yet so few applied in comparison to men, we will never reach 50% workforce distribution because men and women tend to have different preferences, whats important is we have a society that caters for the minority and doesn't discriminate against them for it which you could argue is already happening in the aforementioned countries

[@remorento618]

I think you miss understood what Jordan Peterson is saying. He doesn't say that all women prefer this and all men prefer that. He is saying when everything is equal most women will not become engineers and it is because women and men have different traits. And by saying different traits he doesn't mean there isn't a overlap of course there is. He talking about extremes just like prisons. There are more men in prisons then women because men are more aggresive then women but of course there are aggresive women. When you graph it most aggresive people are men and most agreeable people are women but this just happens at the end of the spectrum.

[@denischungkham6779]

Dude ur experience alone does not disprove a study with tens of thousands of other individual experiences, Peterson isn't saying women are suppose to act this way or another, what he is saying is most men and women act a certain way, he is stating what already exist in the world, he is not saying an individual, whether men or women should be forced into gender roles. He is saying 'most' men and women will choose to follow their respective gender roles.

[@Overseer2579]

where's the study you speak of?

[@denischungkham6779]

@@Overseer2579 Google any credible website about psychology on that topic

[@Overseer2579]

@@denischungkham6779 Why don't you just link me a credible recent survey or piece of research to prove your point? I'm open to seeing such proof and getting another take, but I won't just take someone at their word

[@nickeliacin9075]

I think Peterson was just trying to point out that the government can make policies to force equality, and it can still fail. It can be because of the personality differences, different preferences, or even because of traditions.

[@nicolasazzi1664]

I love your videos, but I hate to say that you are seeing these videos in a pessimistic way. I know this way helps you encourage more people to follow your beliefs on social interactions (which i mostly agree with). But these views, like Jordan Petersons' views, are worth thinking deeply about and truly understanding them.

[@raveniaswan6672]

“You’re not like the other girls”. If it’s a compliment, then you’re insulting females as a whole and saying how much better you are than other females. That’s insulting your entire sex. Girls, women, your friends, females. If they’re saying it as an insult to you...then well of course it’s offensive. Just don’t say it

[@danielkolesnick9417]

Cry about it

[@SatanicDonut]

About Peterson, for what you’re saying to be correct it would have to be that NOTHING which has been done in Scandinavia was the correct way of adressing gender differences. You’d think even if they did a crap job of it they might have made some equalizing change but Peterson’s point is that’s not what the evidence is showing (I haven’t looked at the research personally). I agree with how you treat women equally, but what’s wrong with recognising men & women might naturally differ sometimes in what they want out of life? p.s. I love your videos, really want this channel to grow

[@dorothytran2926]

Loved your point on how men and women should be treated equally despite being different in nature. Women have the ability to give birth and to lactate to feed their children-an impossible task for men biologically; yet, we should still provide education to both with equal opportunity to rise in the ranks because as human beings, men and women have inherent value. It’s unfortunate Peterson gets mislabeled as a sexist so often for believing in something quite reasonable in my opinion. He’s never once said women have to be stay at home moms or men have to be paid more than women. He’s simply pointing out that a biological difference exists and can contribute to different motivations, but at the end of the day we are able to choose what we do with our lives.

[@taylormademadness]

Have you done Bachelor/Bachelorette reactions? I know a lot of people do them but I would be curious to see what you have to say (specifically Clare and Dale).

[@thegardener3650]

Omg! Yes! I agree.

[@rachelleblanc8788]

YES

[@wildhopeXx]

Yess plssss

[@ritzedpheonix4257]

I love your videos bro but JBP was talking about the contradictory bias in a swath of rigorous studies conjured by people with a bias towards gender equality. This bias is why a lot of studies have been trying to point to a logical conclusion in which we want to realize (through human empathy and sentiment towards unequal distribution, as I too share this sentiment) that socially advanced civilizations cultivate a rich, equalized environment for the genders. The crazy part is that everyone, especially the scientists who carried out the studies, were blown away when the data revealed the exact opposite of the proposed "equalized" hypothesis, the divide between genders actually widened as civilizations advanced. Pretty wild, I know this was a snapshot of a an interview so definitely out of context but I recommend you look into Jordan B. Peterson. Great guy with a great family, and he's basically the Canadian rendition of kermit the frog which is a huge plus! XD Love what you do, keep up the hard work!!! 😊

[@iFkNxLegend]

Anthony has pretty strong opinions about Jordan Peterson but they seem to be entirely based on these out of context clips and seems to have lumped Jordan Peterson in with the red pill and migtow movements. This is strange because it really seems to go against what Anthony try’s to teach us in his other videos

[@darkvader37]

Damn JP still relevant these days he has good self help stuff but could never take him too serious after whole post modern Marxist thing that was a big flop on his part imo

[@dorothytran2926]

@@iFkNxLegend not just Anthony but a lot of people associate JBP with the extremist right and MGTOW when his interviews demonstrate that he’s completely against those groups. JBP’s interviews are thought provoking and I think he gets put into this box of the “dangerous right” just because he has thoughts that challenge beliefs widely accepted in universities and on the mainstream news.

[@ellanelson4746]

@@dorothytran2926 so true. He’s one of the most mis-contextualized people out there

[@Kristamariexx]

my bf once said to me "you want to know how i know i really love you?.... because i still want you after i get off".... such a charmer

[@nicolebushman9198]

React to the Drivers License drama with olivia rodrigo and joshua basset

[@segurall1]

He is tries to argue against JP point, that just because a countries law are egalitarian doesn’t necessarily mean it’s culture is. While this is logically true, a countries laws are more or less aligned with the cultural values of that country, so egalitarian western nations laws are based on cultural values. On a side note the aforementioned point only applies to actual democracies. In totalitarian govs the laws may be in complete apposition to the general culture. Even though in those cases it is almost never the case that the culture is less egalitarian and the totalitarian gov makes makes the policies more so, it is almost always the case that the culture is more and the totalitarian gov makes it less so. So JP point stands, as countries are more egalitarian with policy and indirectly with culture the maximization of the biological difference between men a women are actualized. Never does JP mention anything about gender roles affecting who you end up with. He was dismissive of the study JP draws from, but then goes on to use anecdotal evidence to if not outright dismiss, belittle the scientific evidence in the avg difference between men and women. Lastly, JP has stated countless of times men and women are way more alike then different. JP goes on to point a lot of the difference on the extreme ends of the scales. So men and women share on avg similar levels of aggression with men being slightly higher. But when you look at the 1% of the most aggressive people across time and culture almost all are men. This is an inherent difference. Not culturally dependent.

[@Matt_Nor]

So happy to see you are still going strong, and getting more subs. You deserve it so much Anthony! xox

[@AnthonyRecenello]

❤️

[@zerka4797]

I think I would rather believe Jordan Peterson who is a real physiological professor then a KZbinr so called dating coach mate.

[@Nico-vr1kx]

Jordan Peterson is talking about differences of choice related to gender when it comes to choosing a career or a job. He is not talking about dating.

[@barna_de]

What JP is saying is egalitarian policies make women and men relatively more different than non-egaliterian policies. Relatively is the operating word.

[@seananthony7494]

Talks about how Jordan Peterson is wrong about the differences between men and women, and that he doesn’t see a difference between them... Then proceeds to talk about differences between men in women for the rest of the video😂😂😂

[@joshwilliams3199]

Anthony, a bit random here but would you be interested in reacting to callux’s latest video with Lauren Alexis, don’t know if it’s worth it but there dynamic is interesting, especially since Lauren has rejected him and how well he handled it could be a good talking point,. Nonetheless keep up the quality vids my dude 👍❤️

[@kiram.3619]

that sounds interesting.

[@Vincisomething]

3:45 ok but we're not peacocks lmao. Also, there are species of animals that are polyandrous (single female, multiple males) so that guy's "scientific fact" is heavily biased and he's just a misogynist. It's not like I have a bio degree or anything but you can also look this up in 0.5 seconds.

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Exxxxxxxactly

[@Vincisomething]

@@AnthonyRecenello It's so great when sexists/racists/homophobes think their misunderstanding of 8th grade biology automatically makes them right lol.

[@gerardo9052]

Thats what women want Múltiple men to supply múltiple needs And men get none Yeah, right

[@rayfrancisco1093]

Hey Anthony I appreciate and am thankful of your work and becoming a patreon soon, but i want to say you discredited Jordan Peterson here a bit. He’s an open, intelligent and very humble guy. Little snippets like that are often used to spread misinformation about him and show him in a bad light. If you‘re interested really check him out and I‘m sure your opinion about him will change for the better. bless

[@allisonscanlan4144]

Jordan peterson is a sexist mysognistic man who believes men need to conform to certain standards while women need to confirm to other standards. He uses this "research" to box people in and tell them how to act instead of allowing people to be free

[@rayfrancisco1093]

@@allisonscanlan4144 Well you clearly don‘t know anything about his philsophy and lectures.

[@pancakesourdough8057]

Jordan Peterson highly values "order" and within this order is also specific gender roles. If I have understood him correctly, men being "men" and women being "women" (in the sense of traditional gender roles) contribute positively to this "order". One can feel what ever they want about that but I personally see it as a regressing force in society, but I think Peterson sees it as a positive thing that allows freedom and world not descending in to chaos.

[@pmo7780]

Studies aren't made in the way you think. To figure out how a factor influences the outcome you just have to look at enough examples where you only change that one factor and see how the results change. In the study Jordan Peterson references they only gave more equal opportunity to men and women and saw that the majority of them got their stereotypical jobs. The fact that the culture might be sexist is irrelevant because it stayed the same, so the difference in outcome wasn't a result of it. Also if there is a cultural pressure for men and women to act in a certain way and it's not because of their preferences shouldn't they divert from those behaviours when the pressure lessens? Yet when they made it more possible for women to chose what they want, they chose more social jobs. I mean he is a professor. How could you just assume that he'd lack so little nuance to account for these things. Even when people are biased (which JP is as self aware and unbiased as they come) it doesn't mean that they would always sabotage all morals and responsibilities to prove their biases right. A lot of people value truth more and they try to be aware and account for their biases as much as possible to reach it. Don't just discredit a legitimate persons opinions by labeling them as bias

[@lyn1896]

Actually, it could still be culture. Culture cannot be ruled out as a big or part factor. If you give people more possibilities, for example with pay for different kinds of jobs being quite equal and good enough to live happily on, this can increase the cultural pressure to go into the stereotypical workplaces. It doesn't necessarily have to be biological. That said, I think most of the criticism he has gotten is the linkages he does from the "increased personality difference findings" to other studies about how these personality traits influence for example where we work. Here he can be criticized of cherry picking and too much focus on one aspect, which absolutely could be part of a bias (which we all have). Also the same when it comes to the linkages to public policy.

[@mikelitorous5570]

@@lyn1896 He chose the Scandinavian cultures as an example. They are one of the most liberal, if not most liberal societies on earth.

[@lyn1896]

@@mikelitorous5570 Yes. I am just saying that there is not a scientific fundament to say, based on this, that it have to be biological or fully biological. That's not to say I rule it out. I'm just saying the argument hasn't done what it claims it does (to rule out cultural factor and isolate the biological effect.)

[@katrin6388]

thats actually true. ive noticed, many of thee hobbies i have are very havely male dominated. i dont mind. but its just curious imo. take drawing or martial arts for example. i actually expected to see more women in those classes, but turns out there were onçy men there

[@nomas9993]

Cry now, you just have to look up the things he says to find out he is biased. Also the fact that he is a professor doesn't mean what he says is completely true😂😂

[@mr.diktator4155]

The secont tiktok is a half of true. Evolution has this rules, men are pushed to be strong, healthy and good looking than they can be picked by many women (males try to sleep with as many as possible) and give to next generation theirs genes as much as possible. However females have to invest much more energy into the next generation (give a birth) than they can sleep with many males as well(theirs body is trying to find the best males genes for theirs descendants). But this evolution principle envolves the animals. Humans have anothers different aspects as polite, respect, ethics, psychology...So this is only half true. Recomending you Selfish gene theory written by Dawkins accredited by almost all scientist over the word. Sometimes evolution can explain our behaviour but there are many others reasons which we have to admit. Otherwise we can behave badly because of theoryes and ignore polite habits.

[@krystalricciardi7776]

Whenever I hear a boy say “I don’t even really like her” post 🥜 makes me never want to talk to another guy ever again.

[@bestbeast6368]

Welcome to the actual world. Without that trait I strongly doubt we would've become almost 8 billion people roaming this earth.

[@aridsondezjerome8422]

I think if pointing out the biases of another person first you have to recognize your own. Women sleep with other men and shouldn’t be judged is your one point. Understandable. Yet few minutes later you judge men for trying to sleep with women. You make great videos but just understand your implicit biases as well.

[@msgirly6827]

Must have missed him judging men.

[@mariaceciliamartel8336]

Jordan Peterson shouldn't be in this video. Just dont. Dislike.

[@roopelevola4873]

@8:00-12.30 what you're basically saying is fuck stats, I'll just trust my intuition. Pretty toxic male way to think :) Just a hint: maybe don't argue with psychology professor about his/her expertise if u have only "real world" knowledge. If u'd had gone to collage or taken any kind of stats class you'd know that one of the main reasons for making statistics are so that you don't have to trust your (biased) intuition.

[@sibzism]

How can he be so right about Bieber and so wrong about Jordan Peterson and Darwinian evolution? 🤦🏽‍♀️😂😂

[@AnthonyRecenello]

And why are you sure JP is right?

[@sibzism]

@@AnthonyRecenello I thought long and hard about whether or not to respond to this because I'm hoping it's a genuine question and not something that will end up in a meme on social media please 🙏🏾😊 First, I didn't say JP is right... I said you're wrong about him 😊 Youre wrong when you say that "so much of what he talks about is based on showing that women are one way and men are another way" - he actually talks about a lot of other things for one, and for two he's been very clear that where there are differences... those differences are at the extreme end of the personality spectrum (mostly men and women are similar in many ways). - he's said that multiple times 😊 On a separate note, your hypothesis that if we had a society that was completely shut off from any socially constructed gender norms and we watched them grow over millennia we'd be able to determine if we'd replicate the results from Scandinavia...(Something like that)...is interesting! But aren't you literally describing history? There was a time when these were the exact conditions and what emerged was an agreeable female and a dominant male. Its only in very recent human history that we've started to be ashamed of this somewhat. I write this to question your views on Darwinian evolution (because I said I thought you were wrong about that too). 😊 p.s. I enjoy your content btw, I'm new to your channel and I think you've got some interesting perspectives 😊 and you keep it light which is nice 👍🏾

[@valentinaosipova7371]

how can a relationship coach think that there is no difference between M and W? that is so wierd. you say the guy in 1st video doesnt look happy in relationship, but the girl doesnt look happy neither) which kind of argumentation is that.. then you say „only if you are a guy, you know what it means“.. i dont understand you! so twisted)

[@SpaceMonkeyOfficial]

You might be mis representing Peterson's argument. He would agree with you there are other variables, not only that he has also said that there are males and females who not follow the traditional pattern. What he is saying is that since it is more egalitarian you would expect the differences to reduce instead of increase than in other countries in the world. But you ser the opposite the more freedom women and men have the more difference you see in their choices.

[@Brooke-jg3ie]

Yes! A haircut can make or break it for a lot of girls, I know boys that are so sweet but the mullet really throws all the nice girls off

[@delwynjshelleyjr5434]

Lol, you commenting on JP. Keep trying, he’s on a different level then you’ll ever be.

[@barna_de]

JP has done research. Scientific ones.

[@lincabe321]

Many of JPs statements have been debunked including this one.

[@thewarriorwithin4011]

@@lincabe321 do you have links?

[@yungthunder2681]

Most of what you're saying in this video is valid and reasonable, but your argument against Peterson's point is very flimsy. You really think they didn't get enough statistical validity to minimize the effect of other variables like that? I haven't read the study, but I'm a statistician by trade, and reputable global psychology journals don't just publish this stuff unless it's VERY well-founded. They won't publish a study that seems to have a "conservative message" like this unless it's INCREDIBLY solid, because they have a bias towards modernism and liberalism. The takeaway Peterson wants you to have from this information may contain bias, but the information itself has too much evidence to be dismissed like this. Finally, putting "Peterson is a sexist" in the thumbnail is pretty bad. Even if it may have a grain of truth, you'd need to go WAY more in depth than this to back that point up

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Can you link me the study?

[@AnthonyRecenello]

IS JORDAN PETERSON CORRECT WHEN HE STATES THAT “AS SOCIETIES BECOME MORE EGALITARIAN, GENDER DIFFERENCES MAXIMIZE”? 1. He is likely wrong and I can prove it, well not prove but I think I know what is going on, trust me I live here. It is a plausible hypothesis but I think he and others are jumping the gun here and there are far better explanation: Northern countries have the largest subsidies for stay at home moms, men don’t get the same treatment. There is a large socialized healthcare sectors which have much better maternity leave policies than the private sector. There are tons of other hidden incentives in our society for women to be certain way. When government pays for women for maximizing gender differences that is just what they will do. Socialism and collectivism created these roles not free choise and egalitarianism. Joni-Petteri Kivistö www.quora.com/Is-Jordan-Peterson-correct-when-he-states-that-as-societies-become-more-egalitarian-gender-differences-maximize/answer/Joni-Petteri-Kivist%C3%B6 ------------------- 2. Vogel’s law: Any question that begins with “Is Jordan Peterson correct” can be answered with “No”. Scholars don’t work like this. A scholar doesn’t make a broad, sweeping claims without evidence. What the sociological literature indicates is that in Scandinavian countries with generally more egalitarian politics and a broader social safety net you see a more pronounced sorting into lower-paid professions with more flexible hours for mothers than for fathers in comparison with benchmark countries like the UK or the United States. Actual scholars point to a variety of causes, including a tradition of part-time work for mothers and an ongoing gender disparity in time spent caring for children, even to the point of sacrificing mandated government benefits. Even from an anecdotal perspective this is bizarre, the most repressive countries in matters of gender like Saudi Arabia have massive “gender differences”, both socially and legally enforced. Brett Williams www.quora.com/Is-Jordan-Peterson-correct-when-he-states-that-as-societies-become-more-egalitarian-gender-differences-maximize/answer/Brett-Williams

[@Marc91weinheimer]

sorry to say but you are factualy wrong here

[@carmencapa6945]

I don’t think u actually listen to wat he is saying. I have seen a few of his lectures and he makes a good point though. Although the research is not done it’s going to the opposite direction. He doesn’t say all women are more caring then men but if u took a random woman and man from a population sample and said something about their personality like more aggressive u would be like 60% or something of the time correct if you said a men. Or if u had to guess who was more agreeable and u guess the women u would be correct like 60% of the time. “Men and women are more alike then different but it’s at the extremes where u see a difference” Jordan Peterson. For example he point out that the top 100 most aggressive people are all be male. He has stated time and time again he is not from a specific agenda and comes comes from a psychologist/science perspective. He is against the far left and talks about it because it’s invaded the science fields. And he is not wrong. I had a prof who made me read a article about how SEX is non-binary. The far left is invading the science fields and that is wat he doesn’t like. And he come to be known not for misgendering a student infact he said he would call his students the gender they wanted. Wat he was against was compelled speech in which the government forces u to speak a certain way. If they can force u to say one thing they can force u to say everything.

[@gold1erik]

I just want to touch on one of the points you made regarding the culture of Scandinavia and the possibility of it being sexist. I come from Sweden. The show that you saw, btw, is popular here in Sweden and probably so in Norway as the host is Norwegian. I, from my perspective, would say that no - our culture is not sexist, or have some sexist tendencies on certain matters, so to say. From my experience, I have never experienced anyone direct or indirect imply that females should not pursue certain careers, neither by any single individual or by something larger like our culture. I just fail to see anything like that. We as a people, the swedish people, are egalitarian - something becoming more clear to me than ever living in an international dorm - we value equality, fairness and honesty. Yet, despite schools endlessly trying to promote STEM-careers to young girls and women, the effect haven't been significant by any means. Women still seek overwhelmingly to what in America are seen as traditional female jobs.

[@lyn1896]

As a Norwegian I can second Erik. And yes, the show is popular in Norway too. Scandinavia is very egalitarian societies, both when it comes to the people and the policies. I have heard about Jordan Peterson, but have not heard any talks from him. In this clip he never tells us a single example of what he say. It makes the claim impossible to contradict (or agree with). What I do know, though, is that gender differences in work choices are larger in Norway than in less egalitarian countries. From what I have heard, this can be explained by women to a higher degree being employed (for example because of governmental policies toward having cheap and available kindergartens for the kids). Women who would otherwise be "home wifes", who in Norway choose to work, are more likely to work in fields similar to what they would have done if they stayed at home (care giving fields, like nurse, teacher, kindergarden etc.). They would also be more likely to work part-time. Anthony is wrong in point number 1. Maternity leave is a state right. It is not depended on what sector you work in. In total the couple get 49 weeks of parental leave, at 100 % pay (or 59 weeks at 80 % pay). From this 19 weeks (21 weeks at 80% pay) are freely chosen between the parents. 15 (19) weeks are paternity weeks, which the female can not take over, and 15 (19) are maternity weeks, which the male can not take over. In practice, most men only take the mandated weeks, which we have seen when the weeks have been increased and decreased (and I think Denmark saw the same when they decreased the mandated paternity leave weeks). This is partly because men (also in Norway) earn more than women. It is also partly about traditional gender roles and pressure at work (which also is nothing special for Norway).

[@iFkNxLegend]

Except these studies haven’t just been done in Scandinavia. They’ve been done in many countries all over the world and the meta analysis from all of this data is that in general the more countries implement egalitarian policies the greater the divide between men and women becomes. The fact that the data comes from multiple countries and still shows the general trend indicates that it isn’t because of culture and society in Scandinavia. Dr Peterson only mentions Scandinavia because those countries stand out as being the most egalitarian and having the greatest differences between men and women.

[@Tiffany-de9wo]

He called dr Jordan Peterson “this guy” lol.

[@aideenmoroney1571]

That's all the bitch is is some guy

[@maritsagarcia2585]

please react to Itzan Escamilla and Ester Exposito, they were co-stars in a netflix show “Elite” and i feel like they have a lot of chemistry kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4DWc5pjZbSVaNk

[@evanragland4930]

Anthony I’ve seen a few of your videos and like you channel so I’m really surprised to see you promoting the hook up culture in response to the tiktok at 3:19. I don’t think it’s healthy for anyone (women or men) to have multiple sexual partners. Aside from the obvious downside of STDs the emotional/mental toll of sleeping with too many people would destroy anyone’s ability to have a healthy relationship later on.

[@kiram.3619]

I'm curious, would you make a difference between sexual partners and friends and between sexual partners and people who are playing the same sports? Depending on peoples mindset it could be they see no difference between one or both of the pairs. And therefore no reason for emotional or mental tolls. At least not more than having an emotional connection with a friend can be exhausting. Of course there are mentally and emotionally damaging ways to go about having a lot of sex, like searching for validation or stuff. But nothing is for everyone and there are damaging ways to go about everything (for example having friends(toxicity), playing sports(competitiveness)). If you are mature, there should be no problem.

[@evanragland4930]

@@kiram.3619 I don't really understand your question. Sexual partners with friends just sounds like another way of saying friends with benefits. FWB is NOT a mature approach to relationships. It is pretty much a guaranteed way for one person to get hurt.

[@kiram.3619]

@@evanragland4930 I mean, what is the difference between having friends and having a relationship with sex? Having sex is a physical activity. How does it differ from having a friend you play sports with? Except for the social values and stigmas (that are completely bound by time and place, meaning different cultures / different times may have completely different ones), I don't really see a difference. So where do you see the difference? :) Friends with benefits is completely fine in my opinion, if it isn't formed due to underlying issues. If you are friends with someone and feel sexually attracted to them, but don't want to have a fixed relationship (and here I want to note that the idea / definition of relationship is just as contemporary as social values. Does it mean kissing, does it mean dates, etc. For all these, there are relationships that don't include them, so there is clearly no clear line.) then there is, in my opinion, no problem with that. I'd say there is a problem if you don't want to call it a relationship because of commitment issues, trauma, etc., but if there aren't, why not? I see what you say about one person getting hurt, but that is not because of the form of relationship. It is because of a lack of communication. And that, I agree, is immature. If one person wants more, despite the other person saying that they don't, then that is an issue. One person, likely the one that hopes for something they have been told that the situation isn't, will get hurt in that scenario. But the same can be said about a married couple, where one partner wants children, whereas the other person stated they don't. It's a matter of immature people and miscommunication. Not a matter of the situation these people are in.

[@sararinaldi3660]

just when i thought i couldn’t love your content more! everything you said in this video was perfect

[@DeadPointDelusions]

You should react to joe Biden smelling people

[@lucasclupny6305]

Seems pretty pathetic that you said the guy at 4:20 (lol blaze it) looks unhappy off of no basis. More than likely he is happily married. Generally speaking the older gentleman that tell women to be discriminate are those who are trying to help a younger generation get where they are.

[@lucasclupny6305]

@@Mukubesa04 I happen to agree with you but my comment was more to point out that he was resorting to character attacks rather than any actual rationale

[@Zaalpe]

Dude bringing up evolution could also bring up species where females mate with as many males as possible. The species I'm thinking of all being mammals so are much closer to us than peacocks. Then there are bonobos who are our closest living relatives where females are in charge and solve all their problems with fucking. Anyway all those species are nonhuman so they don't really have a bearing on human social interaction which is more complicated than pretty much every other species on Earth and social structures can vary wildly between cultures. Women sleeping around is not universally seen as taboo. Men sleeping around is not universally seen as fine.

[@maced640]

I was thinking the same thing on the J. Peterson one. He fails to take cluture, societal pressure, and social conditioning into consideration.

[@iFkNxLegend]

Except these studies haven’t just been done in Scandinavia. They’ve been done in many countries all over the world and the meta analysis from all of this data is that in general the more countries implement egalitarian policies the greater the divide between men and women becomes. The fact that the data comes from multiple countries and still shows the general trend indicates that it isn’t because of culture and society in Scandinavia. Dr Peterson only mentions Scandinavia because those countries stand out as being the most egalitarian and having the greatest differences between men and women.

[@samuraiken88]

@@iFkNxLegend Yes, he knows the literature very well. I do agree with JP on this.

[@iFkNxLegend]

@@samuraiken88 it’s hard to understand Dr Peterson’s point just from this clip. It needs more context. He wasn’t saying egalitarian policies are bad, just that people were pushing for equality of outcome and going by the data egalitarian policies were not having the intended effect. As the clip goes on he even says that maybe if policies were taken to the absolute extreme then the data may change but at the minute the data is showing the opposite of what was expected and that the difference is partly explained because of the biological differences between men and women

[@samuraiken88]

@@iFkNxLegend yee I watched the entire interview. He basically said when there egalitarianism in the laws, it's easier to see the differences in decisions made by males and females.

[@elliewill5097]

I enjoyed this so much, you make such good points!

[@reddthoughts]

Could you please react to Heidi Klum and Tom Kaulitz? I find it so interesting that she is older than him for almost 18 years.

[@ryanbarker3978]

MGTOW and Red Pill rage misogynists like the bald dude are my favorites. They just reach and project ridiculous "science" to compensate for the compulsive need to blame. Their artificial value constructs are completely flawed and biased by their own lenses of perception. They refuse to accept this reality because they don't want to accept the fact that the reason nobody loves them is that they are constantly miserable. This is coming from someone who has had one relationship in their teen years but has otherwise been single his entire life. If I had a different mindset, I could be the mascot of a movement like this. Instead, though, I really just don't care, choose not to be miserable, and am a male only really interested in dating someone if we both mutually think it has the potential to actually go somewhere. Sexual attraction is a factor but contrary to society's belief, does not drive every decision I make as a man. I'll definitely own that this used to depress me when I was younger, but eventually I figured out you can still live a fulfilled life and have women involved in your life without receiving frequent sex from them. It's almost like there are way more important things in life than sex or something. Crazy, I know.

[@GentlemansPodcast]

Dear Anthony, I came across your videos. Glad I did. You have a fresh and truthful perspective on some topics of dating but like many other experts on KZbin there is some falsehood which I wish KZbinrs would be humble enough to own up to. 1) To distant current human beings from evolutionary pressures is false. To attack a guy on his looks and not stick to the argument made is false. 2) Yes redpill can be toxic but there is clearly truth in the matter. One clear and blatant example, “there are hundreds if not thousand of women waiting for drake(or celebrity men) after his concert versus women after shakira concert. And I dont remember any societal pressures currently influencing such phenomenon. This is literally an individual women subconscious act. So the question is why? I am gonna stop there other than that your content has been pretty good. Thank you for the video.

[@dariac3023]

Actually the study Jordan Peterson talks about is proven to be wrong in many ways

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Hey Daria! Can you link what you’ve found?

[@scorpion25f16]

Did you just say objectifying is bad thing in general !? And in the end of the video you objectified a Stereotype of a a do”@&!$e bag !! you mansion : it’s magical perfect spot to expose.. In the laws of physics & different perspectives, you’re in the perfect spot of G spot. 😂 🤣🤣🤝 In my screen I see, loud man expressing himself enjoying some kind of (out door) activity. plus Covid-19 station Dude give him break 😑

[@artisticagi]

15:20 best explanation of objectification I have ever heard! I think I actually get it now

[@arseniykunin3423]

" Any question that begins with “Is Jordan Peterson correct” can be answered with “No”? Seriously, and after copying that under your video you say something about BROAD claims, huh? Man, this is hilarious. This intellectual title here directly and casually suggests that EVERYTHING a person( and a much more educated and thoughtful than most of us) says is just straight up incorrect... Lol, I guess I think there's no need to explain here why this is ridiculous. You're clearly a smart person, but I would humbly advise to get accuainted with at least some of JP's work and not just rely on leftists media narrative about him. Now, obviously, everyone's entiteled to hold their own opinion on anything, but I'll just say that I strongly believe Jordan Peterson is one of the smartest and simply best people of our age, and so hearing you reffering to him and his tremendous work without respect is just SAD

[@msgirly6827]

😂😂'smartest and simply best people of our age' hmmkay

[@Cazolim]

While quoting Jordan Peterson to make a point against a woman during a date is definitely a terrible idea, one thing that striked me is that you seem to be incredibly biased while discussing bias. The first thing you did after hearing a scientific opinion that disagrees with your personal beliefs is to look for possible missed factors in order to rescue your viewpoint. This is the definition of bias, you won't even consider JP to be possibly right. And the truth is of course that culture, nature and law are entangled and the differences between men and women sort of exist between all of them. It is down to science to try and disentangle that and what it shows in the end is not down to us, there is some scientific truth (that we don't yet know fully) that tells us to what degree these things are really decided by biological evolution. And maybe science will tell us it is 0% but more likely it will tell us is a bit more. One thing you are right about is that even if those statistical differences exist, it has no effect in the microscale, that is, our personal life. This is because we select people we surround ourselves with in many many ways so we select away those differences between men and women, even if they exist.

[@koregaming2820]

Who did you hang out with in your life where the chicks act like men and the men act like girls?

[@thoughttank5107]

Just gotta say this, maybe you are right Jordan is biased but he actually will agree that men and women are more alike than different. However the clipp you showed has no context. Whenever he brings up the. Scandanavia thing is a rebutal to when people say that they want equal outcome between what genders decide to do, they want equality for genders and therefore thing will be equal between the genders, As an example, he stated Scandanavia they have tried the equality thing but instead of creating an equal result between the genders it has actually emphasized the difference between men and women. Meaning what men choose and what women choose is different. thus why he says its better to have equal opportunity but you cant force anything be split 50/50 across men and women, it does not look likely even if you make laws. Its frustrating me for people to just say "we are exactly the same" that literally undermines the strengths of each gender, instead of trying to make us the same, maybe we should focus on our strengths. is it so hard?

[@mullallylally]

It's not just a statement though the egalitarian policies in scandinavia is not equality of outcome it's equality of opportunity ...there is literally not a bias was the whole point of the policies in place in schools the things they are taught are gender neutral even in their society it's non existent gender bias it's just a fact that men and women as a whole excluding a small percentage prefer different things ..as long as they are treated fairly what's the problem with being different from eachother kind of the whole point opposites attract

[@liamqueen5471]

Jordan Peterson has way way too much background information statistics schooling debates and overwhelming amount of knowledge in this situation so if you're going to go against them call and biased you're just not informed and I'm pretty sure you're pandering

[@malonetravis5785]

You're assessment of Petersons statement was inaccurate sir. With all due respect.

[@aideenmoroney1571]

Simp

[@msgirly6827]

@@aideenmoroney1571 😂😂

[@malonetravis5785]

@@aideenmoroney1571 simp?

[@barna_de]

No one talk nothing about professor Jordan Peterson, he's the internet dad.

[@joshuaanthony3262]

i like anthony but hearing him argue with jordan peterson who is a legit genius of psychology just aint it

[@aideenmoroney1571]

You in his cult mate?

[@joshuaanthony3262]

@@aideenmoroney1571 no but i dont think anthony has a better understanding of psychology over a psychology professor

[@aideenmoroney1571]

@@joshuaanthony3262 experience wins over dogma any day. Jordan Peterson is too set in his ways to accept reality for what it is.

[@joshuaanthony3262]

@@aideenmoroney1571 agreed but i would guess jordan peterson has interacted with humans more than anthony has. jordan is like 20 years older

[@aideenmoroney1571]

@@joshuaanthony3262 so because he's older and has studied in one field long enough, he's automatically always right? Come on man, you know that's not how it works

[@Emilyisawsome98]

Anthony where’s ShawMila???could you make nick Jonas and Demi Lovato please ?

[@AnthonyRecenello]

It’s coming!

[@Emilyisawsome98]

ShawMila and nick Jonas and Demi Lovato ??? The both of them? But I have A feeling you’re gonna do a poll before making anymore vids .

[@AnthonyRecenello]

@@Emilyisawsome98 shawmila is filmed

[@PilotHardy]

Don’t argue with anyone with a bias? Really? If no one had bias, there would be nothing to say. Debate is how minds are changed and universal truths are found.

[@jonaslillo-stenberg3945]

Dude i love your work, but I have noticed that sometimes you make pretty quick judgement on people and theories. Just trying to give some constructive insight.

[@xjohntheone]

15:48 gonna have to say that's cap😂 most guys at a bar wouldn't care if the girl likes them or not.. they'd just be glad to smash

[@AnthonyRecenello]

You're still confused John. You're thinking about that situation in the current dynamic between men and women. If the entire situation was flipped-as in-men ALWAYS were the ones that were being hit on-and women didn't give a shit about the man whatsoever, you would begin to feel an abundance mindset in terms of getting meaningless sex-and your standards would raise to wanting GOOD sex from COOL women only.

[@xjohntheone]

@@AnthonyRecenello lol yeah I get what ur saying now. In the video I dont think you said the ENTIRE dynamic.. you just said "If men felt objectified when women did this, they would get turned off" to which I was like "Well no not really BC most men are just thinking about getting a quick nut anyway"😂😂. But yea thanks for the response

[@garrettwilliams2688]

I think it’s funny how he was talking about how men and women are equal then later says only men know this😂

[@happywings15]

equal doesn't mean the same right. a pound of feathers and a pound of stones, equate to each other not the same

[@garrettwilliams2688]

@@happywings15 i was just saying I think it’s funny

[@teddymerzliakov755]

As someone who rolls my eyes when I hear people complain about "SJW's" and stuff, 17:19 brought a totally new perspective to me. Often times, people complain about how "this generation is too fragile" but never consider that such people might just be pretending to be sensitive. Now I see how multidimensional "offense" can be. Awesome video!

[@Apilif91]

Kissing in Europe is pretty normal. It’s the US that is still behind...

[@hendrikbootha7285]

On Nordic argument Should not the freedom to choose be most important. Quotas mean someone loses the freedom to choose. That was the other side of the argument.

[@barna_de]

That mating thing according to evolution doesn't take into account recreational sex, it goes on about procreational sex. And women with exceptions ofcourse select the best mate they can.

[@Emilia-mb9ps]

14:00 what? I'll tell you women knows what that means too

[@MissLeonable]

Absolutely

[@xcobmi]

Thanks for calling out some of these sexists!!

[@FloralTarotReader]

Wow. Your content is so different and knowledgeable.

[@kjozzerosiris9464]

Dude I don't know what you are trying to do but 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Giga1337]

I like (but am not a follower, or even a fan) JP, or at least part of what he says, but I'm all for people criticizing him - you made some points which can be at least considered legitimate in regards to what he says on this clip - but you lose some of my respect (no, I'm not making myself important by saying that) with "Any question that begins with “Is Jordan Peterson correct” can be answered with “No”."

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Thats not my comment. I'm linking answers from a Quora question.

[@Giga1337]

@@AnthonyRecenello I missread then, my apologies :)

[@fulllerthanyou]

The thing about Jordan Peterson is that he is a great Psychologist and has a lot of well informed insights for men who want to improve themselves. BUT as soon as he goes outside of the realm of Psychology take everything he says with a large grain of salt

[@chrkrngl]

All this evolution psycho babble from "conservatives" or "alphas" never sounded true to me. That's where Jordan Peterson always loses me (though I like SOME of his stuff very much) Because I come from a really conservative background: Evolution is (probably) a false theory. Haha. True story. And it's funny because I love that in myself, this stubborness. When someone talks about anything and brings up "because evolution" as a reason, I'm 100% out. So technically that makes me really far more "liberal". Which is amusing. I enjoy your a-political common-sense approach and being about cherishing women. Never get soaked up in politics, kids! PS: One "conservative" Bible story fpr you... A main conclusion from Genesis is: Don't play the victim. Don't blame your wife. Don't blame your gf or your date. Take responsibility. (Adam doesn't do it and says to God: 'The woman you send me made me eat the fruit of knowledge.' He did it himself! Yes, Eve was yelling or screaming maybe at him, but Adam did it himself. Also great is the concept of "a helper against him". That is from the Hebrew Bible and Hebrew/Jewish sources (while I'm sort of an Evangelical - nobody's perfect I guess.) God made the woman "a helper against him" means that if the man is worthy the woman will be pro/for him. If he is not, the woman will be anti/against him. It also means literally a helper, because the Bible sees a man and a woman as "one". Before it's like two halfs of one soul, like two half persons. The personality in God's image is achieved in a man and and a woman becoming together. (Credits to Canadian author Elliot Katz and his very short novel: "Being the strong man a womans wants - Timeless wisdom on being a man" Katz is a Canadian "liberal" Jewish author.) I have a feeling that most red-pill/alpha gurus make their living if people, who seek the wrong persons. Of course there are shallow entitled women. (Like men also.) Hello...., of course there are. Don't seek *those* type of women. End of story. I guess it is true though, that the amount of shallow artificial people, male and female might be increasing sadly. I also said goodbye to online dating. Right now I date - as you say - with communities I like and enjoy being around. And doing stuff I enjoy and meeting like-minded women. E.g., I absolutely love cycling and I go where other people (and women) are doing it, too. But NOT in a "creepy"/stratetig way, but just loving and enjoying doing what I love. And it may take a long time to meet a girl this way. And if not, that's also ok. However the looks from women I get (when doing this) are VERY good and sympathetic. Yet not a conversation happened, but it is just a matter of time. One woman I already met twice. She goes for running, where my Mountainbiking trail is. And our ways crossed twice already this early spring. Developing story. :D Another way is for me my faith community. You think there are no 30yo Christian/Evangelical single women because they marry at 19 or 20? Wrong. There are many. And in my area the Christian/Evangelical "market" is over-saturated with women. All these are communities (beside personal friends, who are really from a diverse spectrum) which I enjoy a lot. A woman of faith who is into cycling or mountainbiking? Haha, that would be like winning the lottery. In short: Go to places. Show your presence in enjoying doing stuff you love to do. (Not strategic, not stalking, not creepy) But eventually you will meet the same female stranger more often. And you maybe start a conversation.

[@lu-cl2df]

we need a braddison part 3 anthony pls 🥲

[@awesome_by_default]

I want to highlight something about Jordan's clip here. Jordan wasn't speaking on the relationships between men and women as in dating and friendships, he was purely speaking from a economical perspective as in the jobs they typically choose. The argument he was making is mainly used in opposition to the "wage gap" arguments. People who push the "gender wage gap" think that women earn less money than men because they're being oppressed, that men are forcing them to earn less money for the exact same job. Jordan's argument is meant to display that when given the most opportunity possible to make their own decisions, men and women tend to pick very different positions and the positions chosen by men happen to be seen as more valuable in todays society. He isn't saying men and women being different is a bad thing, he doesn't think that for a second. Just that they tend to choose different positions that happen to earn less money.

[@AnthonyRecenello]

Thank you for engaging in this discussion! I understand your point that when given the opportunity, women may choose lower-paying jobs. While this may be true in some cases, the gender wage gap is a multifaceted issue that goes beyond individual choices. It's important to consider the various factors that influence those choices and contribute to the wage gap: Occupational segregation: Men and women often work in different industries and occupations, with jobs traditionally dominated by men typically paying more than those dominated by women. Societal norms, gender stereotypes, and expectations play a role in this. Direct discrimination: Sometimes, women are offered lower starting salaries or experience slower wage growth than their male counterparts for the same job. While illegal in many countries, such discrimination still occurs. Unequal access to opportunities: Women may face barriers to promotions or career advancements due to implicit biases or a lack of diversity in leadership positions. Work-life balance: Women are more likely to take career breaks or work part-time to fulfill caregiving responsibilities, impacting long-term earnings and career growth. Negotiation disparities: Women may be less likely to negotiate for higher salaries or raises, either due to socialization or fear of backlash. While individual choices play a role in the wage gap, it's crucial to examine the underlying factors that influence those choices and work towards creating a more equitable society for all. Addressing each of these factors through policies, education, and cultural changes can help reduce gender-based pay disparities in the long run.

[@awesome_by_default]

@@AnthonyRecenello Oh absolutely. I don't disagree at all. Jordan does point out that there are a number of other issues as well just like the ones you mentioned here. Any discrimination that is happening should, of course, be called out. Jordan does speak about assertiveness training to help women really push for the careers that they want and not just be complicit. I suppose that my ultimate point here is this; If women are not getting the same opportunities, whether by outright denial, or some form of social conditioning, that obviously needs to be dealt with as efficiently and effectively as possible. If they are getting paid less simply due to true free choice however, that does not need to be negated in any way. Disparities are inevitable. Everyone can not have the same outcome without a vast amount of unjust influence on their free choice. I do acknowledge that it is not easy to determine what exactly causes disparities of course. There's so many variables that it'll take a vast amount of research before we really begin to understand a way to remedy these issues. I am also wholly too un-knowledgeable to really have any answers that someone more qualified hasn't already brought up. Doesn't hurt to refine the mind though. :P On another note though, Love your content Anthony! Been watching for a while and you're really helping me figure out where I can improve and helping me get out of this mental rut I'm in atm. Don't need me to tell ya but keep doing what you're doing!

[@AnthonyRecenello]

@@awesome_by_default Yes, it does need to be focused on. I literally just explained why. Even if women have been raised to take interest in careers that are lower-paying, that also needs to change. This is the difference between conservatives is that they blame everything on evolution and biology-without actually backing it up. Women grow up not being encouraged to find interest in certain things until they're much older-by that point they don't have the time to go back to school for the new interests they developed on their own. You can't push barbie dolls on a little girl and then when she wants to be a model or fashion designer, tell her that it's too bad that those professions don't pay as much. By the time women are old enough to realize what they've been tricked into, it's usually too late. Does that make any sense to you?

[@awesome_by_default]

​@@AnthonyRecenello I suppose you misunderstood. I absolutely agree with what you're saying. Children should be allowed, and indeed encouraged, to explore beyond their "gender norms". Encourage them to find what they like and not force them to act out their given role. If they are being indoctrinated into lower paying jobs that absolutely needs to change. I'm simply saying that if someone is making the conscious choice to pick that job, free from any sort of unjust social influence, and completely aware of their other options, then that shouldn't be discouraged or seen as a bad outcome simply because of lower pay as long as they can sufficiently and comfortably support themselves and that the pay is comparable to similar positions. I acknowledge however, that these influences are extremely difficult to track and change and I couldn't even begin to offer a solution to this issue beyond letting our kids explore. P.S. I wouldn't really consider myself a conservative, more accurately a libertarian. Sorry if I came off that way and confused you.

[@nc1195]

Jordan Peterson covers his bases

[@mikachansailor]

Antony the scientist has a valid point, evolution is a fact. I strongly suggest the lectures of Robert Sapolsky by stanford univercity 's channel here on youtube, apart from really interesting biology can be life changing. hugs dear!

[@Arthur-yv6px]

Obviously you can’t control for everything, but the point that Peterson is making is that the more “equal” everything is the more women will lean towards feminine roles. And that is absolutely a biological fact because of the genetic makeup of females and males (ex testosterone vs estrogen).

[@mindtheprivacy]

Uh, his taking about the girlfriend, when he didn't ever... Have you people been hitting on him so that now he's got to put you in your place? Hehe

[@ILLUSIONIST6796]

You are lying to the people.

[@sararinaldi3660]

your tiktok at the end is the DEFINITION of vine energy

[@johndangerbenedictarnold7862]

$60 haircut looks like a $120 haircut when you get to $160 and up the haircut is still the same but there’s an open bar.

[@lucasp3003]

For the differences Jordan Peterson is talking about, it is the differences of the big five personnality one of them is agreeableness, and woman are in average more agreeable (some can be extremely disagreeable ofc), and agreeable traits lead to certain jobs and doesn't tried to negociate the wages and disagreeableness lead to certain jobs, and more negociating their wages and standing for themselves up. I'm explaining that so you can see what differences he's talking about, and see where his thoughts land, even though you already caught a lot of his arguement. But are those factors strictly cultural ? Idk but i'm sure that the genes, that we have, are expressed based on the environment we're in. Is the woman more expressing the genes because of their nature ? idk how is it to be proven. I'd say the two points (that he and you make) can exist at the same time. But i'd be thrilled about you having a discussion with him about that. But I do think one argument doesn't cancel the other in whatsoever forms and you can have a space for agreement.

[@starheartskull15]

Wtf was that bald man going on about ?! Lmaooo

[@MoriVin]

🤣 A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock…

[@starheartskull15]

@@MoriVin ok Neanderthal

[@MoriVin]

@@starheartskull15 😂just explained to you what that dude was going on about.

[@starheartskull15]

@@MoriVin oops my bad I thought you were agreeing w him

[@ryanbarker3978]

Nothing intelligent.

[@YeaBroer]

React to an episode of wife swap

[@irregretableyblessed2581]

There's no such thing as "zero effect" my friend. Its either sonething has a micro or macro affect. But never a zero effect

[@HomiePopTart23]

It's always been crazy to me when people try to justify their prejudice with animal traits from animals that are not even closely related to homo sapiens. I see it A Lot in vegan circles also, people try to justify shaming other people to eat vegan because to them we're closely related to apes that only eat fruit which is false. We're closely related to apes that eat both meat and fruit. Animal traits and life styles differ to much to be used as proof for the way people think about their community. You got the peacocks and then on the other hand you have Bonobos who constantly have sex with everyone near them to keep peace which should negate the peacock philosophy right? No. becasue we're not related to either of them. It's just craziness xD

[@tygarspace1754]

Great arguments Anthony, you're always inspiring!! ✨✨

[@thenoblemute7669]

Hahahah " I thank ....me "

[@AnthonyRecenello]

lol

[@slimjadeyyy]

Love this 🙌🏽