AoE Stop, Death Chakram GONE and COMMUNITY FEEDBACK for MM Hunter! | WoW The War Within Beta

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0:00 Intro
0:38 NordVPN.com/Azor - Thank you!
1:49 Class Tree Changes
2:15 New Hunter AoE Stop - Implosive Trap
6:04 Intimidation is still petless
7:51 Steel Trap and Death Chakram REMOVED
10:48 55-second CD on Implosive Trap
11:23 Steady Shot now casts 6% faster I guess
12:29 MM Hunter BUFFS!
14:25 You get an SV change too. As a treat
16:12 Marksmanship Hunter Feedback Poll
37:26 Brightzortharion tells you about a spreadsheet
38:21 Outro + Patreon

[@Azortharion]

Thanks to NordVPN for sponsoring this video, and thanks to everyone's support that has enabled this. Here's the link to grab the exclusive deal: nordvpn.com/Azor

[@Saucemixer]

Congrats on the Sponsorship !

[@bush5537]

Very well deserved sponsorship. The Hunter community is smaller nowadays, a niche within a niche, but it is very lucky to have someone like you at the forefront.

[@palfotta]

For a good reason tbh :(

[@Daimyo-]

@@bush5537 hunters are still the most popular class by far.

[@Azortharion]

@@Daimyo- Sorry but that is not true, on the full population level or the more competitive level. Whole population: www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/classes/level70 "Competitive"/Mythic Raiding (you'll need to add the numbers up a bit): www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#class=Any Retribution Paladin alone is more popular than the entire Hunter class combined in Mythic Raiding at the moment. And don't get me started on Mythic+ representation..

[@Daimyo-]

@@Azortharion I was refering the overall population, but I was wrong and Paladin and Druid have overtaken Hunters by 0,4%. My bad. That said the class is still very popular. I've been following you from the days when you were just a gamer and poster at MMO-C forums etc. Keep up the good work. It's hard to comprehend how you can stay so class loyal.

[@Azortharion]

@@Daimyo- Hunter is popular among the whole population but not the more serious part of the population likely to look at videos like this. Could be wrong though. I appreciate the kind words!

[@l_Nightbot_l]

We don't have a lot of hunter content creators, but we have the best content creators making sure our class works. Ty for your time.

[@lovelywaz]

I can already see the following scenario... Group Leader: Ok Hunter, you are next on that AoE stop. Hunter: Roger that! 😎😎 Mob casts spell with 1.5 secs cast time, group wipes.... Hunter with the best reflexes and latency: 😑😑

[@dalq879]

Steady Focus has such an easy fix. Make it so it takes 2 casts to proc the haste, and then you can just refresh it with one. Its exactly how Frenzy works on BM. Theres 0 reason for it to not work this way.

[@kholio4377]

Agree totally. Insta cast. Generates 10 focus. One takes talent point. Job done.

[@morgenmuffel5747]

Not pleased by the removal of Death Chakram

[@dimmune6860]

I'm afraid that Blizzard has moved on from hunter tweaking. Not seeing many changes for MM anymore with so many blatant issues still happening makes me wonder if they are done with the spec. It deserved more than a week of work towards it.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

it's actually crazy too... mage and warlock were getting big changes for WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS (arcane just got sweeping changes again). how did hunters get like 1 big pass and that's that?

[@petersimon2619]

Death chakram going away is an aesthetic win for me. I hate the visual. It's been a nothing-burger of a button for me beyond that

[@ajchieflc]

I think while implosive trap is great it is a huge missed opportunity for our utility kit. It should work like Sigil of Chains for DH. DH is widely regarded as a a general overpowered toolkit and on most fights or m+ they are just preferred or even required. Having an option that reproduces a powerful ability like that on a different class would really increase our usefulness and slightly decrease the DH requirement. A lot of classes have an AOE stop similar to a knock up but only 1 class has the pull that chains has. DK slappy hands does it too but 1 at a time slowly so it’s not quite the same effect. Chains is a control and aoe stop in 1 ability. Addl note- a good possible change to the arm delay for the trap would be to just make the “total time to arm” where it takes like 1.0s counting travel time. So if you’re in melee and drop it it takes a second to arm but if you throw it from range, if it’s traveling for more than a second it goes off as soon as it lands

[@kholio4377]

SS insta. Gen 10 focus. Steady Focus refreshable. Precise Shots procs during TS bypass armor. Or 15% crit chance. Outside TS Chimera Shot usable on Precise Shots. Capstones should have options to tweak their flavour. Not 4 points just to use. One to pick capstone talent then a choice node with two/three options after that. Bake kill zone into volley. Not ‘Stances’ but KINSHIPS. Pick one pet of each Fer/Ten\Cun and 2sec cast to switch between Kinship. So you can adopt pet abilities as required. Bake in a cheat death mechanic, if you die you lose access to that Kinship for 60sec and are returned to 15% health and focus. Something something. Fun. Still pet relevant because you are a hunter. But indirect assists. KINSHIPS

[@chrisoker]

would love a redesign to our "raid buff", it's garbage

[@JimmyTwoCoats]

Congrats on the sponsor, agreed with your comments regarding death chakram, I’m not sad to see it go. It was great to see the feedback poll and the fact so many people have highlighted the same issues and priorities hopefully blizzard will take a look and implement some of them. I’m sure like a lot of other hunters I’ve always found traps very clunky but they are like an iconic element of being a hunter so would like them to change the mechanics and let them be castable rather then placed, so for example you fire off a freezing trap at a target and traps it, rather then having to place it or worry about it hitting something else on the way, it keeps the visual but loses the placement/clunkiness and this could be the same for all trap types.

[@jjtallz1976]

Thank you for updating us on all these Hunter changes. I wish you streamed during US hours so I could give you my Prime.

[@RyceMeister]

Band-aid fix for the implosive trap. Make it where the hunter can hit the button again to make the trap go off when needed instead of the mobs setting it off. Just throw it preemptively and use it when you need to. Off global preferably. Still takes some planning with your group.

[@thefister7242]

I have played hunter as an alt for quite a while as I main warlock, and love affliction, where we have for a long while played pet-less via Grimoire of Sacrifice for the dmg gain and the added bonus of not dealing with overall pet clunkiness. I have always wondered why there isn't a similar ability for MM hunters. As a warlock (destruction/affliction only) when you sacrifice your pet you also gain its Command Demon ability, which is basically the same as Command Pet in that the ability changes depending on which pet you have out, Imp gives you the singe magic (magic cleanse) or the felhound gives you spell lock (interrupt). I don't see why MM doesn't have something like this - obviously you wouldn't be sacrificing it as that doesn't go with the flavor of hunters, but just bake it into the lone wolf ability. Something like "When you do not have a pet summoned, your damage is increased by % and have access to it's Command Pet ability. Which is literally the same as what Grimoire of Sacrifice is, like the precedence is already there for the only other pet class in the game.

[@Kolefield]

Grats on getting a sponsor. Make that paper, king

[@summergrogan2013]

Yes! “Please let Marksmanship have let utility without the pets..” Great video, as always. Gratz on the sponsorship!

[@MrWardonis]

if you liked legion MM you didn't play WoD MM. Wod MM was the best, especially with the t4 set bonus from hellfire citadel.

[@Frawt]

He literally has videos on his channel from WoD, but keep yapping.

[@onurcekik2920]

Great Video. Thanks for giving us insight into all the changes. Sometimes many changes can be overwhelming to grasp.

[@l_Nightbot_l]

What about this to help with the two target cleave issue: -Rework chimaera shot and make it baseline. MM hunters need another button IMO. (new) Chimaera Shot (15 secs cd): A two-headed shot that hits your primary target and another nearby target, dealing % Nature damage to one and % Frost damage to the other and activates Dobleshot, Doubleshot: After casting Chimaera shot, your next two aimed shots will hit a second target. -Rework Precise Shots to be more interesting. Pressing Arcane shot while Trueshot is up feels weird, feels like you are wasting aimedshots/rapid fires. (new) Precise Shots: Aimed Shot causes your next 1-2 Arcane Shots or Multi-Shots to deal 35% more damage and has a 15% chance to reset the cooldown of Chimaera shot) And for the love of Odyn, let us cast Aimed shot while moving when Trueshot is up.

[@ssccoottiinnoo]

hell ye, grats on the sponsorship

[@ibMoose2u]

Cong on your first sponsorship Azor!! “Beggars can’t be choosers” :^)

[@duanefalk219]

Blizz says they are building the power form death chakram into each specs kit....but there is no indication of them doing so in the post (ie. some other ability is more powerful). So it certainly seems like they just took it away without any compensation.

[@avendreams2057]

You need to drag the options in the order of your liking before voting guys ! i cant believe S3 Tier set is that low on the list , i mean it was the best feeling since Forever on AOE

[@Vindicator1998]

Just make lone wolf work like grimoire of sacrifice Summon the pet you want the abilities of, and use a button to dismiss it for a permanent buff giving you abilities Make it so you need to resummon a pet to change your buffs so it’s not unfair versus other specs

[@avendreams2057]

Imagine this , we get back our S3 set bonus , and let precise shots stack more than 2 during trueshot , and after we are done , the next multi shot fires all of the stacked precise shots in a big multi shot , like a finisher ! ( merge it with Bulletstorm somehow ) Damn i got hard !!!!!!

[@Freezetrap]

Great video, congrats on the sponsor! I really like that you went through the major points community feedback for MM, hope to see something similar for BM and SV. I would say though, be careful when discussing Lone Wolf. You refer to it at its current 10% value in DF, but on the Beta it was changed to 5%, with the explicit reason given to make it not as bad when you do have to have a pet out. Does not invalidate the points that you made, but perhaps from Blizzard's point of view, maybe they don't think its as much of a problem now that it is less powerful that it used to be. Just something to think about.

[@Azortharion]

Yep, misspoke on Lone Wolf's %.

[@DanielTorres-lb6hs]

congrats for the Sponsor! For MM it feels like we need more buttons: give back the shadowlands black arrow rework double tap rework chimera shot Stances idea is huge, if am not wrong we had a lot of cool stances in cata Am not all that mad about MM now, it looks... ok? maybe good but not great and it is my main, i want to feel exited to play it as much as i am now with frost mage and arcena, frost dk and blood, feral druid (i know a lot of people complain but i like how feral looks r now), the hero talents the core thing about clases on TWW sucks massive dick for hunters, MM have almost only passives and we dont have any kind of control on our big dps moments, sucks massive dick. Also pl make the aoe skills BASE LINE, and then put the huge AOE dmg on the tree

[@PrezJesus]

I think I'm the 1 hunter who enjoys the steady focus talent. Obviously it requires a weakaura to maintain it which is lame, but assuming you use WAs it adds a nice rhythm to the rotation and makes the spec a bit more complex. It also makes required movement feel better since you can get some value out of having to move (refreshing the buff).

[@Fryzzi]

Blizzard removing „Bombardment" is the actual biggest shame.....

[@user-ei5du1gd7d]

I like Death Chakram both visually and practically. As a MM hunter I have very few exciting visual effects (if any), the chakram fits very nicely into a hunter / archer fantasy. Practically speaking, dunno about BM and Survival, but for MM chakram synchronizes very nicely with valley and salvo, giving us a nice mini burst every 45 seconds, practical both in pve and pvp, One of my aesthetically favorite abilities.

[@Azortharion]

@@user-ei5du1gd7d Valid opinion and it did paid well with the Volley combo. The damage from that is now kind of baked in via the Kill Zone talent though.

[@thegmanwiththegforce]

I think hunters should learn all pet abilities by default and then apply the intimidation rework to those abilities so they all work with or without a pet

[@TheSpecter93]

I wish that instead of an explosive trap (which makes sense for knocking mobs away when they run into it), the choice node would turn it into an explosive arrow or bomb with the same cast as binding shot. It could explode for the knockup right when it hits the ground and targeting/timing it would be much easier

[@HimerosTeviot]

The 50% increased focus cost to multi-shot is and feels so bad. It costs nearly the same as an aimed shot. It hard caps the AoE throughput of Marksman.

[@Azortharion]

But it only takes a little movement from the pack from your trap location to completely invalidate your AoE stop investment. Fine for organized groups, but I would never want to trust a Tank to keep them there for 10+ seconds.

[@seluhir8820]

Blizzard is way overcomplicating the 'lone wolf' idea.... they should remove ALL of the talents that specify 'when you don't have a pet', buff MM abilities to compensate(to keep dps roughly the same as now), move the pet abilities to be hunter cast regardless of spec(the defensives should share cooldown), get rid of the pet family flavour(if any of those effects are actually necessary for balance, either add a talent to the hunter tree to opt into them or make them baseline), and then add a passive to the base hunter kit that says 'when your pet is dead or not summoned, you deal 2% increased damage'. Problem solved. MM can now operate without a pet if they want, but people who LIKE the mm playstyle but also want a pet don't feel punished too hard for it. Everyone's happy.

[@adverbs626]

i agree with most th8ings said in the video. i wioll say that not being able to afford everything you want is intended. they want you to decide between things no matter how bad that can feel at times. i cant think of a class that can get everything they want without having to sacrifice something.

[@Azortharion]

The complaint is not "why cant we pick everything on the tree". But if you look at all 3 Hunter specs on live right now, it is totally possible to make a build with all the AoE kit and have points left over. BM example: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/hunter/beast-mastery/DAAAMVUWAkBiVAQEEBA MM example: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/DAAAMUlIpGRBEBAQBBQ SV example: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/hunter/survival/DAAAMWVEVUlIkREgEBQ All of these 3 builds have picked every single unique AoE option. They are fully fledged AoE builds. They are of course missing some other stuff that you might want (and this is where choices come in), but at least you can have all of your AoE kit. This is not the case on the TWW Beta. You cannot make an MM build that has all of the central AoE mechanics. Here's a random attempt: www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/sentinel/DAAAOVUFVVQRQRRiEFRBAAA In order to get Volley, I had to invest Serpentstalker's Trickery which I didn't really want. In order to get Small Game Hunter and Salvo, I had to invest 2 points of Focused Aim that I didn't want to spend. In order to get Wailing Arrow, I had to spend an extra weak point in Legacy which is a 2-pointer for like no reason. In order to get Rapid Fire Barrage, I had to spend a point on Barrage (which Rapid Fire Barrage replaces) AND Careful Aim (which I don't care for on AoE). The result is that I cannot even get my spec's cooldown.

[@Martindves]

Grratz with sponsor! Very much deserved! I like the change for Chakram, but their argument is button bloat but still added barrage, and we still have hunters mark that no one likes and is an button bloat for very many players. When I read that note, this was the first thing popping up in my mind, and find it curious why they dont see this too. I still feel a bit odd, pathing wise etc. BM I dont feel have had any cool abilities for a long time, and it has almost only Passives for everything, even the Sentinel Hero tree too. Love your videos and wish I could support you more than I can :) Thanks for beeing hunters voice

[@Martindves]

Would also like to add that I see some Talents that just flat increase Aimed Shot/ Rapid Fire damage etc. I dont get why they are there, it would be better to just have them baseline and remove Talent bloat even. Sometimes it just seem like a lazy filler talent because we cant get anything more interesting

[@Martindves]

And Kill Shot Razor Fragments, could be more invested in the Single Target part, rather than even more aoe talents/builds, This could make the ST builds a bit more interesting

[@madsboandersen5316]

Implosive Trap makes no sense at all tooltip wise. It 'explodes', which is shouldn't, since it is an Implosive Trap! -- And then it knocks up targets? Personally, it'd be rad to see a pure DPS class with an AoE pull-to-center trap. It'd be so useful for dragging enemies into already laid traps!

[@brentrealin7070]

Lone wolf should be able to cast lust while keeping the passive

[@zmcnabb]

Maybe its because I pvp and pve equally playtime wise, but I don't think the travel time on knock up trap is going to be something worth complaining/talking about. You will get used to it over time, dungeons will get figured out and people will learn to throw it earlier. It's a relatively long cd, I think 1minute when I was on beta so you wont need to panic over how far away you are that often. Is it as good as sleet/thunderstorm knock? No, but I think its pretty insanely valuable considering everything else we already have and are now also getting on top. Speaking from the pvp side, we will miss steel trap dearly. I know the argument is "make it a pvp talent" but as we already have mandatory picks there this is sort of really terrible losing it. I also will miss death chakram as sort of a minmax colossus smash. I know you and I chatted in the comments a few videos about this already but, I think they already did buff razor fragments to an "acceptable" point. I think big kill shot procs are the most fun part about marksman and still utilize these talents to run keys as well, I'm not the best at pve but I still reach 3.2k ish io every season of df using kill shot talents. It going from 50% damage buff to 75% is pretty sizeable for single target, I think maybe if the argument is that it needs more value on aoe that the bleed should go to 40%? I forget what flayed shot razor fragments % was in shadowlands but it's essentially the same mechanic that a lot of us loved. I know to most pver's the concept of people pvping is this foreign bastardization of the game they love, and I also understand that an overwhelming majority of the subscription money blizzard gets is from pve players, but a lot of the suggestions being made for hunters in general are essentially shafting pvpers. Losing death chakram for burst windows, losing steel trap for kiting melees/forcing healers to line their dps, locking salvo behind multi shot talents when it isn't used in arena, moving bursting and scatter to the same node, I've seen people clamoring for removing kill shot gameplay entirely on the discord and reddit which I think would harm pvp players, but also in my opinion make the spec play worse for pve as well. I do agree with you that I think legions version of marksman could be an interesting option to bring back, windburst was a pretty cool ability they could bring back considering legacy of the windrunners was a side bonus of it back then. Not entirely sure how they could add marked shot gameplay to the current tree however. I know I have some differing opinions to a large portion of the hunter community in pvp, but also in general design as well, but I do appreciate these long form videos where you speak about what you think should happen even if I may not agree with them, and cover changes as a lot of us don't potentially have the time to sort through patch notes everyday, and also congrats on the sponsor big man.

[@Azortharion]

I always appreciate different perspectives that I don't normally get exposed to!

[@Stevenryan238]

Congrats on the sponsorship! You deserve it

[@blazeblackbird9919]

The thing I want the most is having blood lust baseline and not a pet ability, is that in the feedback??

[@Azortharion]

Well, it's part of the "Lone Wolf stance" feedback so kinda? ;D

[@Bobbybird1992]

great video! would love to know what your top 5 Picks from the strawpoll are. personally I'm suprised how relatively low the comeback of the S3/S4 setbonus ranked. i can't remember a time where the AOE felt as smooth as it does now. it's my number 1 wish for TWW is to have it back in some form.

[@Azortharion]

1) Anything that reduces talent point expenditure. Many of the feedback items achieve this by merging talents or making certain things baseline, turning 2-pointers into 1-pointers etc. 2) A version of the DF S3/S4 tier set. 3) Rework/remove Chimaera Shot/anything that aids 2-target cleave. Honestly that covers most of 'em. Once you merge together every feedback that boils down to "The talent tree is too expensive", only a few are left over. I do actually disagree with one bit of feedback though it isn't very popular: I don't think Unerring Vision should be a choice node with Calling the Shots. I don't mind UV being a standard locked-in choice and Calling the Shots being an opt-in when you need the talent point.

[@Ellementz]

I disagree with the cast time suggestion for Lone Wolf Aspects. Let's say I was BM or SV and wanted to switch pets for a different benefit, well it would take me at minimum 3 seconds to dismiss and a global to summon. Having a Lone Wolf aspect that you could switch in 1 second would lead to degen gameplay of switching to leech when you need health or lust, endurance when you need a larger Health Pool. It should have the same time restriction as dismiss pet to switch aspects so there remains parody across specs.

[@omfgmusic97]

my idea about lust with no pet would be to lean into the Sentinal Owl aspect of MM - send out a sentinal owl to lust the party as an ABILITY. This would be a global cd button to press not a pet that is summoned like other hunter pets. I think the idea of marksman having a bird companion ability element is cool and within the theme/flavor of the spec, would would SO easily solve the lust issue.

[@Szpryca]

@azortharion for the situation of the implosive trap, maybe a solution for the throw + arm timer is a "implosive shot" and throw an arrow with 1 or 2 sec until implodes (maybe same implotion timer as the cast time of Shadowfury)

[@kholio4377]

The whole idea of ‘Throw trap’ for MM is just dense. Can’t we shoot it there in 0.5 secs? That seems totally realistic.

[@Azortharion]

@@Szpryca Implosive Arrow would be both mechanically and thematically better imo.

[@Szpryca]

@@Azortharion maybe im cooking too hard but; 1- change the shitty mark to a raid buff "Hunter's Precision" x% Crit chance 2- Implosive Shot throw an arrow with 1 or 2 sec until implodes. 3- a node for Scattering Shot to make it "sonic arrow" (name can change) a short aoe dissorient arrow that gets canceled with dmg, similar to scatter but aoe, instead of the triple stun from intimidation 4- merge multi and trickshots and put chimera on trickshot slot in case they dont change trickshot to 2 targets.

[@gooseg3822]

Crazy flashbang to finish the video😂 Great video tho!👍🏼

[@caiocarvalho8844]

Although there are a lot of improvements and nice feedback on the video, that state of hunter hero talents is so bad that everything else is not a priority in my pov. Dark Ranger is so boring that you really can’t say it’s is there at all, what’s is a HUGE shame… Sentinel is less bad, but still. Boring and NE centered for no reason at all. I think for the first time I’ll reroll in something else that received a MINIMUM amount of creativity and effort from Blizzard

[@SheezyDeezy31]

If I wanted to play a MM Hunter, I wouldn't want a pet at all. I think they need to bring it back to that. No pets needed at all.

[@bongcrusha420]

imo death chakram felt like an afterthought, it didnt really feel good to hit, not that it felt bad it just was there

[@JP-zp6ob]

imagine getting 40 seconds into a video without an multiple ads. imagine

[@unfknblvable5292]

I like the idea of stances. But not have Exotic stance. That should stay with BM only. Having a cast time doesnt mean anything. Most people will stay in which ever stance has Lust in PvE. So you wont be swapping stances very often, if at all in PvE.

[@klausneda8807]

About Lone Wolf they probably don't want us to dance between abilities. If it ends up awarding a pet ability it still needs a "cost" for dancing between abilities. Either summoning the pet you want first or give a long cast to swap abilities. They already have the code for what Lone Wolf should be in the warlock Grimoire of Sacrifice. Just give it a different animation for choosing the ability and ship it. Lone Wolf should be baseline, its spot in the talent tree should be replaces by the ability to "borrow" a pet ability.

[@kholio4377]

Should be BASELINE. Choose three pets for KINSHIPS like your Pet Summon bar. One of each type. They become your Fer/Ten/Cun attributes. 2sec cast to switch Kinships.

[@ammathor3179]

I would like an entire video about Legion MM and what it did better than the current itteration.

[@unicornslayr]

Congrats on the sponsor. Get that internet money!🎉

[@kirdenlynx]

Just wondering, are aoe stops like this still going to be lower value in TWW? Last I'd seen they were returning the enemy AI to the old form where they instantly recast many abilities after the stop, making aoe stuns/incaps more useful.

[@daeman13]

get those sponsorship dollars azor

[@bigchumsmalone4455]

i don't mind death chakram leaving but also wouldn't have minded it staying, i didn't hate it multishot should not even be a talent at all, i don't think locking the absolute baseline of aoe behind a talent is good. warriors don't need to talent for whirlwind, dps shamans don't have to talent for chain lightning, etc. it should just be free. just reinforces the biggest problem with the new MM tree, that it's incredibly expensive to do anything and doesn't afford dips for st/aoe, it's all or nothing, and it's not even all for aoe.

[@mono1no1aware]

1st sponsor, yes! Congrats @Azor!

[@jjtallz1976]

MM season 3/4 tier made AoE soooo fun. Casting MS between everything feels gross and clunky. I don't understand why TS is consumed. It's something that never made sense to me. I can't think of any other class that has that issue.

[@Fryzzi]

Killshot only having one Stack.... Bro....

[@kasper1241]

Does the extra range of MM also increase the range of traps (how far you can cast them)?

[@Azortharion]

@@kasper1241 yep.

[@Daimyo-]

The implosive trap complain isn't really warranted. Like you said, AoE stops are so strong they always have some restrictions. Even Shadowfury has a cast time. Other things work at melee range. I mean, Azortharion represents the hunter community so should basically lobby for every buff possible, but I'm just saying, other classes got this too.

[@seluhir8820]

The main complaint is that it is inconsistent. Imagine if shadowfury had a 1.5 second cast time sometimes but a 2.5 second cast time others. That's the problem. They need to make it consistent.

[@Daimyo-]

@@seluhir8820 it's not really inconsistent because the player controls his distance to the mob pack. Go melee like a Mage would and you only got the arming time but no travel time.

[@seluhir8820]

@@Daimyo- But a player without an add-on has no idea their true distance and thus cannot accurately predict how long their ability will take to activate. Its a bad design. They should make trap travel time universal - say set it to .5 seconds regardless of distance. Make it so that a hunter, regardless of distance, knows the EXACT time it wil ltake from using the ability to activating.

[@ovithegray]

9:49 BM didnt care for it at all... ahh.. i play BM and i do care about loosing it.

[@jsw78]

I liked the little bit of focus DC gave :(. Ugh

[@okCool51]

why my boi marked shot and sidewinders so low, this was the only time i actually enjoyed mm hunter.

[@stephane4704]

AOE MM : I tested an MM 70 and 80. The AOE is really a focus pit. Multi-shot is too expensive. its not funny :(

[@gtfo234]

NOW GIVE US WILD SPIRITS

[@Fleury4]

Just get rid of lone wolf. Why isn’t that the move?

[@Azortharion]

Valid opinion, but MM's petless nature is very important to many, if not most of its players. If you remove Lone Wolf, it would probably have to be petless baseline (and we're left with the same problem of where does the utility come from).

[@Fleury4]

@@Azortharion there are 2 pet classes in the game. Nothing wrong with them using pets. Wow became Uber popular without lone wolf. We can do it.

[@Azortharion]

@@Fleury4 Again, valid opinion but not the popular one it seems.

[@JIMAbercrombie-wu3pg]

BM is crap, the hero talents for BM are weakest off ALL classes...if you wanna gather pets or do quests its ok but for raiding it is horrible

[@aleksandrl5576]

Still no disengage forward. Shame on them

[@Vindicator1998]

Just do a 180 jump?

[@Frawt]

​@@Vindicator1998Too complicated for the average hunter main xd

[@aleksandrl5576]

@@Frawt Its not complicated, its just clunky. I always want to see were I jumping, why on earth I jump backward?

[@brimee292]

Hahaha don’t click… no clicking on this channel lol 👌

[@Azortharion]

Everyone is welcome, of course! (But keybindings are great and worth trying)

[@LoudokaBJJ]

I do not like Death Chakram.

[@Dumbmelee]

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[@SkogsDjuret]

Would you say mm rotation is easier now? Great content 🎉

[@Azortharion]

It's so close to being the same as 10.0 DF that I'd say neither - it's the same difficulty, fundamentally the same mechanics. You could argue some extra abilities are added that you may not always have used before such as Rapid Fire Barrage and "baseline" Explosive Shot.

[@sachamarinescu4897]

It still needs work but I’m confident that after the shaman rework , I think they will give one last polish to us before moving into the hero talent polish . Fingers crossed!!

[@juiicer]

DC was lame. Glad it's gone.