Thank you as a head keyboard smashing hunter. I hope BM stays great in war within.

I loved the video. I learned, or remembered, certain priority aspects of the rotation, which I sometimes do not put into practice because I am focused on other aspects of the game. Thank you very much. ❤

This spec is a mess lol. They just keep trying to band-aid it every expansion instead of giving it the animations and time it needs to cook. I can't believe they never gave fist of fur--i mean fury of the eagle a dedicated animation ever since they shoe-horned it in during Legion.

Not sure why Blizzard brought back skill trees when almost every node just feels mandatory. Blizzard exhibits some crazy arbitrariness in what they decide should be "baseline." Surely, tip of the spear is baseline material, right?

Five minutes into the video and I've already learned so much. You're the best.

I believe the Hunter class colour bar is the one barbed. It’s a plater mod

I love those coaching videos. They are very helpful.

Thanks Sensei, very useful indeed.

imagine getting 40 seconds into a video without an multiple ads. imagine

If you want coaching/review like this for yourself, check out my Patreon on www.patreon.com/azortharion. You do not have end up on KZbin with your video review if you do not want to, that part is completely optional.

I play hunter as an alt and it is amazing to see your mastery of the spec. Typically, I play it because it is easier than most spces, but man was I playing it so wrong. I wonder how much dps I have been losing by doing a lot of these same mistakes. I love this type of content wish more wow pumpers did this!

Just discovered your channel, after maining rogue for so long was considering MM hunter as a main for TWW (After blizz gutted my ele shaman :() Would love to hear your opinions on MM hero talents and their place in M+/Mythic raids, and how the MM class survivability looks compared to other classes. Cheers! :)

I found this video very informative for an average player like me, love how you explain what skills go first and why... appreciate this video thanks!

Helpful!

Amazing content! A lot of us have been looking for someone like you for a long time. There's not really any high level hunters out there willing to help us improve from good to great. THANK YOU!!!

Thanks for this incredibly useful video! Re "targeting the highest HP mob": That's because of Neltharax, or is there another reason?

This was actually super helpful in seeing what was done correct/incorrect and having it explained why. Much easier for smooth brains like myself to understand over something like a written guide. Would LOVE to see more like this!

i dont find her -.- and i spend 3hours -.- and i have the Fyrakk Mount!

Mom! Moom! The strange man is talking about Hunter stuff again! 😮 ❤

i dont unterstand the talents make the hunter in my eys not better and why is the 2 min cooldown lost

9:49 BM didnt care for it at all... ahh.. i play BM and i do care about loosing it.

TRIED BUT CANT TAME IT SAYS ITS NOT TAMMABLE

Killshot only having one Stack.... Bro....

Blizzard removing „Bombardment" is the actual biggest shame.....

What did u use to hit that owl with ?

imo death chakram felt like an afterthought, it didnt really feel good to hit, not that it felt bad it just was there

I have played hunter as an alt for quite a while as I main warlock, and love affliction, where we have for a long while played pet-less via Grimoire of Sacrifice for the dmg gain and the added bonus of not dealing with overall pet clunkiness. I have always wondered why there isn't a similar ability for MM hunters. As a warlock (destruction/affliction only) when you sacrifice your pet you also gain its Command Demon ability, which is basically the same as Command Pet in that the ability changes depending on which pet you have out, Imp gives you the singe magic (magic cleanse) or the felhound gives you spell lock (interrupt). I don't see why MM doesn't have something like this - obviously you wouldn't be sacrificing it as that doesn't go with the flavor of hunters, but just bake it into the lone wolf ability. Something like "When you do not have a pet summoned, your damage is increased by % and have access to it's Command Pet ability. Which is literally the same as what Grimoire of Sacrifice is, like the precedence is already there for the only other pet class in the game.

Basilisk Collar will be great with Dark Ranger!

Blizz says they are building the power form death chakram into each specs kit....but there is no indication of them doing so in the post (ie. some other ability is more powerful). So it certainly seems like they just took it away without any compensation.

MM tree is pretty lit Give multi shot baseline and dont replace that talent point with anything in the tree and make 2 point talents only cost 1 point and the tree is perfect.

The BM tree is terrible Make 2point talents only 1 talent point. Bake the capstones actually into their respective spell just remove the last row entirely. Make multishot baseline and make beast cleave and kill cleave 1 talent. Either make killshot hit hard as fuck or make serpent sting apply off of every second/third kill command Bake 1 or 2 of the dire beast talents into a single talent like the dire beast and hati/fenyr thing and/or dire frenzy and dire command. If blizz does all this BM could be fun as fuck

I will try for this next expansion, or maybe the one after that xD grats on such a rare tame!!

I would love an update/new vid on these hero trees IF there is more clarity since this came out. If there isnt clarity then no worries. I want to pack leader as a BM but it seems really confusing trying to see how this interplays with the new talent reworks, which werent out at the time of this vids publishing.

Even though the pack leader tree seems very underwhelming ikn that it mostly just makes pets stronger, the changes to the BM tree where dire beast might be viable (I HOPE!) and hati/fenryr showing up seems to put the pack back in pack leader. This is all just hopeful but yeah I want my pack leader to be constantly summoning the zoo alongside my two loyal companions.

Thanks for this, as a long time BM main (and not interested in spoiling myself in the beta before release) its very helpful to get my head around the new trees and changes!

AOE MM : I tested an MM 70 and 80. The AOE is really a focus pit. Multi-shot is too expensive. its not funny :(

Crazy flashbang to finish the video😂 Great video tho!👍🏼

I think hunters should learn all pet abilities by default and then apply the intimidation rework to those abilities so they all work with or without a pet

The 50% increased focus cost to multi-shot is and feels so bad. It costs nearly the same as an aimed shot. It hard caps the AoE throughput of Marksman.

Band-aid fix for the implosive trap. Make it where the hunter can hit the button again to make the trap go off when needed instead of the mobs setting it off. Just throw it preemptively and use it when you need to. Off global preferably. Still takes some planning with your group.

Yes! “Please let Marksmanship have let utility without the pets..” Great video, as always. Gratz on the sponsorship!

BM is crap, the hero talents for BM are weakest off ALL classes...if you wanna gather pets or do quests its ok but for raiding it is horrible

I liked the little bit of focus DC gave :(. Ugh

Imagine this , we get back our S3 set bonus , and let precise shots stack more than 2 during trueshot , and after we are done , the next multi shot fires all of the stacked precise shots in a big multi shot , like a finisher ! ( merge it with Bulletstorm somehow ) Damn i got hard !!!!!!

You need to drag the options in the order of your liking before voting guys ! i cant believe S3 Tier set is that low on the list , i mean it was the best feeling since Forever on AOE

That poste haste change is terrible. I was hoping for disengage to have 2 charges - not a mobility nerf. I cant wait to try and kite warriors, dh's and ww's in arena next expansion 😥

i agree with most th8ings said in the video. i wioll say that not being able to afford everything you want is intended. they want you to decide between things no matter how bad that can feel at times. i cant think of a class that can get everything they want without having to sacrifice something.

I think while implosive trap is great it is a huge missed opportunity for our utility kit. It should work like Sigil of Chains for DH. DH is widely regarded as a a general overpowered toolkit and on most fights or m+ they are just preferred or even required. Having an option that reproduces a powerful ability like that on a different class would really increase our usefulness and slightly decrease the DH requirement. A lot of classes have an AOE stop similar to a knock up but only 1 class has the pull that chains has. DK slappy hands does it too but 1 at a time slowly so it’s not quite the same effect. Chains is a control and aoe stop in 1 ability. Addl note- a good possible change to the arm delay for the trap would be to just make the “total time to arm” where it takes like 1.0s counting travel time. So if you’re in melee and drop it it takes a second to arm but if you throw it from range, if it’s traveling for more than a second it goes off as soon as it lands

I disagree it is just a bloody trap which we have had freezing trap serves that utility without "knocking a target up, oh wow..NOT" as for AOE stops binding shot works for mobs. The removal of Death Chakram is just a BM, MM nerf as I see it to try and get more players to play Survival which is why it has gotten the we love you kiss from Bliz dev's they have done this before and people still didn't play the speck as it does not lend to the hunter class vs being a "trapper". I've played the hunter class since vanilla MM in the beginning and BM when they hosed it enough with lack of movement and extended cast times for main cool downs. As for Survival it was the go to PVP speck for those like myself who would build a PVP set and run that only in PVP but with the SV changes we quit playing it. Frankly they keep this up and I'll be done with WOW.

Maybe its because I pvp and pve equally playtime wise, but I don't think the travel time on knock up trap is going to be something worth complaining/talking about. You will get used to it over time, dungeons will get figured out and people will learn to throw it earlier. It's a relatively long cd, I think 1minute when I was on beta so you wont need to panic over how far away you are that often. Is it as good as sleet/thunderstorm knock? No, but I think its pretty insanely valuable considering everything else we already have and are now also getting on top. Speaking from the pvp side, we will miss steel trap dearly. I know the argument is "make it a pvp talent" but as we already have mandatory picks there this is sort of really terrible losing it. I also will miss death chakram as sort of a minmax colossus smash. I know you and I chatted in the comments a few videos about this already but, I think they already did buff razor fragments to an "acceptable" point. I think big kill shot procs are the most fun part about marksman and still utilize these talents to run keys as well, I'm not the best at pve but I still reach 3.2k ish io every season of df using kill shot talents. It going from 50% damage buff to 75% is pretty sizeable for single target, I think maybe if the argument is that it needs more value on aoe that the bleed should go to 40%? I forget what flayed shot razor fragments % was in shadowlands but it's essentially the same mechanic that a lot of us loved. I know to most pver's the concept of people pvping is this foreign bastardization of the game they love, and I also understand that an overwhelming majority of the subscription money blizzard gets is from pve players, but a lot of the suggestions being made for hunters in general are essentially shafting pvpers. Losing death chakram for burst windows, losing steel trap for kiting melees/forcing healers to line their dps, locking salvo behind multi shot talents when it isn't used in arena, moving bursting and scatter to the same node, I've seen people clamoring for removing kill shot gameplay entirely on the discord and reddit which I think would harm pvp players, but also in my opinion make the spec play worse for pve as well. I do agree with you that I think legions version of marksman could be an interesting option to bring back, windburst was a pretty cool ability they could bring back considering legacy of the windrunners was a side bonus of it back then. Not entirely sure how they could add marked shot gameplay to the current tree however. I know I have some differing opinions to a large portion of the hunter community in pvp, but also in general design as well, but I do appreciate these long form videos where you speak about what you think should happen even if I may not agree with them, and cover changes as a lot of us don't potentially have the time to sort through patch notes everyday, and also congrats on the sponsor big man.