AP5 and AP5-P, MP5 clone review. Ammo type is IMPORTANT

[@countryrebel01]

Replace the ejector to 3rd gen style, extractor spring to copper, use HK mags and high quality ammo. Clean entire gun and lube, if you're still having FTE after break in replace the MKE extractor to HK. I have two AP5 and one AP5-P and this fixed the FTE issues in all 3 of them. YMMV Good luck!

[@CoyoteEvill]

Great video! I remember watching your AK table builds. Glad your still around.

[@bhoward9378]

Same. I wondered what had happened to the channel.

[@Oden03]

It's important to note the break-in specifically requires 124 gr NATO spec ammo. NATO spec ammo runs hotter than typical mass produced ammo. Another option for break-in is to run a suppressor as this creates more back pressure.

[@calebclark6739]

I really want the HK guns. But I agree. Getting these both for less than a SP5 is just a way better deal

[@randeetereshko6116]

You can always swap the ejector and extractor with a German ones and that will fix the weak ejection issues, It worked on my POF MP5 PK.

[@SuperMeatMachine]

Die Hard is confirmed a Christmas movie

[@ajbobbidy]

Thank you for the WELL ELABORATED video!!! Much appreciated. I have an AP5P being shipped and this information is very helpful. Thanks for sharing.

[@scottminshall6420]

Great review, glad to see you putting some content back out. Hope you and the family have a safe and happy new year.

[@georgeazar6879]

I messaged the guy from Teufelshundt Tactical quite a while back and asked him what ammo he used for personal defense and he replied Speer 124 gr +P rounds. Thought I’d share that since you used the same except not +P. Thank you for the video. I got the same deal from Atlantic Firearms for the AP5! Update: while I watched the rest of your video that Speer ammo is the exact ammo he uses. Sorry I didn’t wait to see the complete video

[@volcanobro8443]

Loving my full sized ap5 but man I want the p or m version still! Nice vid 🎉 Edit: one thing that helps reliability is slamming the mags against a table on the back to make sure the rounds are seated correctly in the mag

[@murdock8068]

Came here for the ap5.. Stayed for the oil drip lamp next to the front door....

[@rickcrow3149]

Great video. Very informative.

[@mikeu.s.n.9099]

I bought an ap5p about a year ago. I lubed it up pretty good when i got it and have only ran 115 grain magtech brass. Ive had zero issues. Also my casings eject further and stronger than how yours does in this video. Im still under 500 rounds.

[@lwilson1234]

You didn't settle. That IS an HK. It is only missing the brand stamp. All made on genuine HK certified and supplied equipment by HK trained gun builders. It absolutely will feed hollow points reliably as long as you select the right bullet design/profile/ogive.

[@Sissivanska]

True and as an owner of AP5-M myself. However, you need to take into account that the tooling Turks got from HK dates back to the 70s. So, that said, the current HK models are to-date tooling vs. the early 70s. Now is that a huge difference? Only time will tell, and I do like my AP5-M. A lot.

[@ssgaidoxe2544]

thanks for posting this and all the information provided this will help me make my decision

[@jasielm5258]

16:46 recently got a AP5-P and it doesn’t like 115 grain but loves 124 grain. Only 180 rounds so far. Federal 124

[@Mitsurugi2424]

I only had a sample size of 1, but my AP5 ran everything I fed it, including hst hollowpoints. Every now and then it had a hiccup on steel cased blazer I got around the time covid kicked up. Mine ran better than my buddies sp5. His didn't like hollowpoints. I did get rid of it and get a CZ Scorpion, tho. Not because it was unreliable, but because it was so heavy, and dated, and hard to put accessories in. It's about 1lb heavier without a brace, 3lb with one).

[@joeflowers9084]

I bet it'll start working with the "american sniper" once the gun breaks in a bit more. Try it again after you get 500-600 rounds through it (and in HK mags, which seem to be even better than the very similar looking MKE mags). You can also switch out the Ejector for a German HK one for cheap (and it's super easy)--that seems to clear up a lot of ejection issues with people. Ironically, my AP5-P was 100%, but I had a FEW (4-5) FTEs in my AP5. But I switched out the ejector and haven't had an issue since in 1200 rounds. :)

[@MSWeaponsChannel]

Extractor spring! Not ejector. These are known to have very weak or bad extractor springs out of the box. Have a new extractor spring on first range trip.

[@spoonskill7080]

Great job on the video, sir. Lots of info.

[@heatherrrenea]

Get you a couple new oem hk extractor springs and replace yours. Those extraction springs are cheap and designed to be thrown away after removed not taken out during oiling like I think you may have mentioned (if that is what you were talking about). They are never supposed to be reinstalled after use (even in a oem hk). They are made of copper and very easily replaced.

[@WolfBiteTactical]

Just got a SP5 for 2350 shipped. You just have to look around. I also have an AP5-M and I immediately replaced the extractor and spring with HK parts. The AP5 will now shoot everything without FTF, or SP. The AP5 was also at .014 on bolt head gap. I replaced the rollers with a +1 and it now is .018 ( HK spec) . Dumped 8 mags as fast as I could pull them off with ZERO malfunctions. The AP5 is a great weapon to learn and work on, before getting a SP5. The 8 mags were all 147 grain hard cast btw with no leading of the barrel.

[@nolancurtis8826]

It's the same gun dude. And if I'm dropping cash on an HK it's gonna be a kit build not an SP5. MKE is the king of MP5s these days

[@stevo5459]

Great video! Also interesting to know it likes the Wolf stuff! As the other have said, the Ejector Spring and lever, along wth an extractor and extractor spring from Germany will give you 100% reliability with any ammo.

[@g3attack]

Great Video Man!

[@islandfocus2]

Question, why are HK MP5 style firearm variants always called "CLONES." How about AR's and AK's? Why isn't the word "CLONE" not used in those variants?

[@MountainBikeTx]

there are various AR-platform clones, actually

[@johnroper3077]

I own a PTR-9c, an MKE MP5 in semi-auto, and a couple of MP5k semi-autos imported by Zenith Firearms from MKE Turkey who was contract exclusively by HK to manufacture these. I call em' all either a semi-auto MP5 or an MP5k. The manufacturer with tell the rest.

[@ajbobbidy]

Might be because of the reputation of the HK. The want to make the distinction. The MP5 community

[@MountainBikeTx]

Bc you (or the manufacturer) are making the firearm to look just like another specific firearm

[@tinaann3323]

Very good point! The “AR” in AR-15 stands for Armalite. So how can any other AR be called that? Now, I own both a Colt AR and a S&W. I also own an AP5P. I think the HK guys don’t want us calling the “clones” HK’s because HK guys pay thousands more than we pay. Not so with AR’s. For example; I own a Colt which is considered a high end AR But it only cost me around $1200 new while still in LE.

[@milspec8283]

I've got the fullsize and it's been great, and I'm really thinking about picking up the ap5-p

[@bhoward9378]

Just seeing this 2 years later. Happy Advent!

[@vickomf1]

I had issues too with my AP5-P. At least one failure every full mag shooting 115gr Remington Range. I’ve had ZERO issues after the first 300 rounds. Now I’m at just over 1200 rounds through it. Looking to get an AP5 just to have both.

[@honkhonk1555]

Did you change out any of the internals, and did you ever fire any suppressed? Thanks in advance.

[@vickomf1]

@@honkhonk1555 I recently got a Dead Air Wolfman with trilug adapter for it. Changed locking piece to the 80 degree one. Runs Aguila 147gr flat nose perfectly.

[@honkhonk1555]

@@vickomf1 nice. Thanks for sharing.

[@jimmyvalhalla1939]

Say it this way.. Heckler and COKE.

[@heatherrrenea]

It could also be that if the clone company used steel extraction springs instead of the spec hk copper springs the softer brass along with a harder steel spring could be causing your issue so would still try replacing with factory hk copper extraction springs. They're not expensive.

[@heatherrrenea]

This might explain why no issue with steel case. Hope it helps.

[@americanstrong8724]

​@@heatherrrenea your an MVP!!

[@BrassJedi]

I’ve shot winchester white box 115gr - 124gr ball ammo around 600 to 700 rounds out of my ap5p only 1 failure to eject so far

[@cthomas827]

I've ran about 800 rounds through my AP5 without cleaning. I've started with 115 gr. FMJ and also 124 gr. I've not had one problem with empty cartridges extracting or failure to feed issues. This is a durable military grade firearm that's made by a military contractor, MKE. They actually were contracted to make the same guns for H&K until H&K started producing their own factories. So it is absurd to think that these are inferior weapons just because of their name. If you know anything about car manufacturers, it's like comparing a 1995 Geo Prizm to a 1995 Toyota Corolla.

[@Skipro]

The second I picked up my AP5 and AP5M I disassembled and added lubrication. Been getting paranoid about reliability but your video makes me feel way better and the comments seem to point in the direction of changing a couple parts which help with reliability I can’t imagine that an SP5 is like 2700 better than this gun what do you think?

[@mr.d6186]

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@codyjenn8785]

Thank you for the awesome gun videos I like mp5

[@23hamze]

I have been so tempted to get another

[@Altiod22]

I have noticed some HK clone roller delay guns work better with steel. This has been the case with 2 C93 rifles and a PTR91 that I have shot in the past.

[@justinmagyar7703]

Technically the 124gr is the “correct” ammo. It should’ve ran through the AP5-P. They recommend breaking in the firearm with 500 rounds of 124gr.

[@jbcustom3745]

Im also thinking about getting the Ap5P or Ap5M! found them for around same price as you, prob a christmas deal.

[@spinebreaker4507]

Sir you are living the dream.

[@ajbobbidy]

And when you mention it being a house gun. And that your Glock 34 may work better since it has night sights , they make night sights as an upgrade for the AP5

[@Neighborhoodsancho]

Happy holidays OG

[@merlin704]

That's interesting that you had to buy the tri-lug flash hider. My AP5 shipped with it.

[@murdock8068]

I just got one. They have different "packages" to choose from. I got the 2nd tier "core" which sells for cheaper but I don't get the extra mag, flash hider, etc. Just gun and brace.

[@scottgaskin8574]

I'm looking to get this same pistol. I'm thinking on the m in the 8.9 barrel.also like the p-model .which model do you guys prefer better I'm not really looking to run it suppressed, thankyou very much

[@Jr-iy4dd]

Slick info. Magpul safety selector a must. No optic? I run an MFI rail with a PA 1x Gemini prism on a MWI mini ACOG mount .....IMO a must have if you wear glasses like I do...worth every penny. I even run the same setup on my AP5 expect I use an MFI rail. If not, might suggest replacing the castle site with a diopter, but again IMO would invest that money in optic. Very good content, thanks for the time and effort on getting it out. V/R

[@patrickgjorven7832]

I think they would both make a great house gun!

[@Gunner-ll1zd]

Did you change your locking block on the ap5p?

[@georgeazar6879]

Did your AP5-P start functioning better? I hope so. I won a H&K SP5 from Classic Firearms back in late 2020. I bought an AP5 when they became available again from Atlantic Firearms. Now I’m really considering buying an AP5-P is why I’m asking. Thanks for your great videos.

[@Sissivanska]

American Sniper shells were ejecting erratically which points to very inconsistent powder load. I'd steer clear of that ammo, because having that same error in the load to the other direction can cost you an arm and a leg. Like, somewhat, literally. Sad to see folks riding on a dead man's fame to sell garbage, but hey...

[@mitchelle245]

that ammo semmed a little undercharged the way it was dribbling out

[@anthonymoore8302]

Say Brother, did your AP5-P break in? I am having same problem on my first 50 rounds I tried 115 grain aluminum rounds.

[@Hardno2021]

Are you going to move all your build videos to rumble?

[@justinsmudde2554]

Nice home range brother

[@BubbleyBlue3]

Great video! very informative.. Ive seen your posts on Reddit as well! how is your AP5 / P after a month? i recently bought am AP5 full size with about 800 rounds through it 124grn and have had about 8 failures to eject, so about 1%.. I Was thinking of buying the HK extractor spring and the Ejector.. I wasnt sure if the Extractor was needed as well?? 6 of my FTE was stove pipes but 2 of them was shoved into the gun enough, I had to field strip to clear the jam. Have you changed out any parts since buying, you mention you had parts on hand?

[@Gunner-ll1zd]

Subbed. I want one of these for cool factor alone lol

[@JAK0E]

Yeah I haven’t had any issues with mine since I shot it right out of the box haha I cleaned it that night and haven’t had a misfeed since.

[@Eslamizar]

Nice to see you again bud, hope all is well. I have the POF SMG-PK reverse stretch (MP5-K). I love it but the finish is not all that. I have a side folding and a telescopic arm brace with Mod1C tailhook adaptor. The tailhook really works and I run 30 round HK mags. I also have some rare German stick mags. The side folder is a gear head works I think and the telescopic brace is safety harbor firearms. I didn’t have many issues when I shot my gun and it appears to eat whatever ammo I put through it. The MP5 and the K are my dream guns and I own one. I had the POF MP5 (it actually said MP5 on top) but I sold it for a nice profit, and personally I like the K more, more compact and lighter. I did run the Magpul polymer lower but I had issues so I’m using the original metal lower….. the Magpul safety is nicer but my OEM will do. The gen 2 Korean mags run good based on the one 20 rounder I have. I do like my trigger as well. Ya I can’t bump fire it lol but that’s okay. ✌️&❤️ Have a good Christmas and happy new year 😊

[@rammonswainson5067]

What kind of issues did you have with the plastic lower on your pof

[@bkdesignr]

Do you have a preference between the 2? I'm trying to decide between those 2. Great video, thank you!

[@bkdesignr]

Nevermind, I heard you say the AP5P was your favorite.

[@mzi03731]

rooster is a nice touch

[@EddieBlueHalen]

Always check your bolt gap.

[@rjmacreadyoutpost3121]

It needs that 80 degree block. It’s a known issue on that PK model.

[@johnroper3077]

I picked up the as AP5 and AP5-m which are both by HK contracted MKE manufacture in Turkey. I've heard guys here claim Century manufactures these because Zenith makes their own now. That's almost as left field as you can get. But anyway, I did notice that hammer strut pin point strike in the same place on my SB Tactical folding AP5-m brace. It didn't affect the performance, but I don't know how hard the strikes are. On the brass ammo, I broke mine in with a few hundred PMC Bronze 115 gr. FMJ, a couple of boxes of MAGTECH 124 gr. FMJ, and about a hundred ZQI 124 gr. FMJ which is MKE Turkish manufacture just like both guns. All brass, NO issues. I would try some different brass ammo, I don't think it's your gun at all. Also, on the Speer ammo, I'd stay away from the Speer 147 gr. TMJ ammo. That stuff may be good, but it's flat nosed and I've heard of issues with it because of that. I had a couple of issues with Winchester 147 gr. JHP ammo, but Hornady Critical Duty 124 gr. +P runs like a champ. It's the round's o-jive bullet tip. Thanks for the brace info, Semper Fi.

[@IndustrialSurrealism]

Century does not make these, only imports them. If Century had any hand in manufacturing these, I would not have bought one.

[@johnroper3077]

@@IndustrialSurrealism Did you at all read where I stated they're of HK contracted MKE manufacture in Turkey? In fact, that's the first thing I said.

[@rustyshackleford17]

I really wouldn't start worrying about your MP5 until you get through a break-in period with HK mags. Talk to any of those people, they'll state it runs best with 124 NATO for the break-in. They've always run better with those hotter rounds anyways during that period. Besides, Wolf steel case is notoriously underpowered and you're using it in a gun that likes hotter stuff to begin with.

[@victorglaviano]

The words you're looking for is "head space and timing"!

[@jacobmoore7650]

Those things need a can and some subsonic ammo. You might even find the short one a tad quieter.

[@BingoBabyO]

Any update has it gotten better or fixed?

[@andrewfield4072]

Weird seeing your AP5-P struggle with 124 grain ball. Mine runs it flawlessly but, that’s also after running around 2000 rounds through it. I’d be surprised if you still had that issue after a significant break-in.

[@markonweller8002]

Nice video

[@tennesseepatriot4360]

I been running my ap5m with 115 blazer brass from the start and o issues.not one

[@thefunkychicken582]

Great vid

[@godsdozer]

don't we have to bend all our feeler gauges to put it in? :)

[@fdehands7494]

Does the sb brace tweaks need to be done to the 9 inch as well?

[@FishKepr]

Back when I used braces, the SBT5 brace went on my PTR with no modifications needed.

[@victorglaviano]

Strange the AP-5P only has one pin in the trunion, I have an AP5-M it has 2 pins in the trunion!

[@TheTeeWorldsfreak]

Just saying from watching the video, the ejection pattern is quite weak you can see how it barley gets out of the ejection port

[@tmarcustv4085]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@TheSuburban15]

It seems like most of the clones have SEF lowers. Do people prefer them for some reason? The Navy lowers seemed more ergonomic to me, and FWIW, more contemporary.

[@jeremywills9303]

I put a modified g3 navy grip on my Ap5-p. I just dont like the feel of the grooves on the MKE OEM grip.

[@Subgunman]

If these are from Turkey, they are not really clones, they have a legal license to produce and market these firearms. THE BIG ISSUE is the quality of the steel used in making various parts. It’s basically low quality recycled steel. Springs are not properly hardened and tempered, this also applies to the extractors. Quality assembly and reasonably priced.

[@edstrecker4275]

MKE is a great platform, but Century Arms customer support really, really sucks.

[@SomeGuy-hy9zf]

Not sure what you mean by dwell time, MP5 isn't gas operated. Did notice you have weak case ejection. Wolf might not be best ammo to test reliability. Wolf's steel cases engage the chamber flutes differently than brass cased ammo.

[@tripsandsalsa9519]

Blowback is literally gas operated. The barrel is the tube and the case is the piston.

[@pedropaulo2488]

📱👀🇧🇷 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@austinmc62]

The AP5P is jamming due to the brace your using.

[@jeroendesterke9739]

Leave everything as it is straight out of the box. Do NOT change anything before you've taken it to the range no matter what others claim. Put at least 500 rounds through it - all FMJ - no exceptions just to run it in. What is high quality ammo? There are no commercial manufacturers who make crap ammo - they'd be out of a job in no time. Ammo gets a bad wrap by people who have messed around with their guns that NOTHING runs through it any more. Avoid buying reloads at all times. This platform should run with steel cased ammo no problems - but you must treat any problems during run in as something that will be the norm during this time. Tight tolerances will smooth themselves out as you put more rounds through. Copper coated extractor springs vs the non coated versions. I've read good and bad about both, so I cannot believe anything that i read or hear. I keep hearing that hollow points cause problems, however I have no experience with this. Keep the faith - the MKE is a lovely little gun.

[@bradleyyounger8499]

Coke

[@StarrGod696]

Everyone talks about wanting an MP 5, then they buy a clone…. Then makes a video saying how happy they are with it… put constantly compare it to an H&K… you folks make me laugh

[@CoThG]

Junk ammo for a junk gun. You get what you pay for. As we say at HK... Stop being poor

[@735Secure]

Excellence video, thank you!

[@ManJunk427]

Settled lol the Ap5 is every bit as good as an HK . Follow the break in...if you don't...don't complain. I have friends with "real" sp5'$ and they can't believe how good my welds are...to the point, I know it irritates them 😂 Additionally, every time I see a "genuine" it reminds me of how I saved 2k and got to put that savings towards ammo, accessories and training 👍

[@JonDoe-gr2np]

I have an HK SP5 and that gun eats any and all ammo and never malfunctions. You get what you pay for.