APOCALYPTO (2006) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

I always had massive respect for the guy who played Zero Wolf in this movie (the scary leader guy whose son dies at the hand of Jaguar Paw). He does an amazing job of being intimidating with very little dialogue. You really understand just how badass this guy is just from his presence alone.

[@TheOnlyOpie]

I'm pretty sure he was one of the only ones who were actors in this. Most of the cast and extras were indigenous tribes I believe.

[@Aka_daka]

Surprised more people don't react to this masterpiece!

[@adi1582]

Right? I watch whoever reacts to this gem of a movie!

[@romanlovera427]

I love this movie, but I can’t get past the fact that it doesn’t know if it wants to be based on the Mayans or the Aztecs. Both separated by a few hundred years. Basically the film has identity issues. And last, but not least, the conquistadors. The freaking time traveling conquistadors that arrived about 2-3 hundred years before they actually did. I’m willing to look past the time traveling chicken pox(would be introduced to the new world by Europeans), but the conquistadors just kill it for me😅😅. Aside from those things, I freaking love the movie!

[@Aka_daka]

@@romanlovera427 doesn't have to be accurate to be a great film.

[@romanlovera427]

@@Aka_daka don’t get me wrong, I love the film I even cried when jaguar paw finally reunites with his family and sees his newborn son. It’s just the equivalent of watching saving private ryan and the beaches are defended by Roman legions with influenza in the background ravaging the Romans. It’s just more of a funny/facepalm moment.

[@cavaliothorson7755]

Agreed

[@ye4us]

Every actor/actress in this film gave an Oscar worthy performance it's crazy. Mel Gibson is my favorite director.

[@dannyboo40]

This movie has been one of my favorites for so long! I'm glad to see others experiencing it ❤

[@zimzilzonnoh6338]

The first time I watched this, I had a copy from the high seas with no subtitles. It was one of the best viewing experiences of my life Even not knowing exactly what they were saying the story and struggles came across as so realistic and understandable. A village raided by a group of outsiders is one of the most primal stories mankind has, it's a fear that every culture on earth has dealt with in their time, but in Mesoamerica the stakes were much higher. Fantastic film.

[@DustinAxelson]

Why were the stakes much higher?

[@ramzicastilleja3268]

⁠@@DustinAxelsonit was conquer or be conquered. With death as the stakes.

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

"I had a copy from the high seas" Lol, I'll have to remember this terminology for the future

[@tcfite13]

My dad: “ why are you watching a movie you can’t even understand” Me: I understand everything

[@rolek777]

This movie is one on my top ten movies of all time !

[@tecumsehcristero]

I saw this with my woman on our first date and it was the best movie at the theaters because at that time we didn’t speak the same languages and this movie was in ancient Mayan. The subtitles aren’t really needed back in 2006. But we were also young and in love so anytime together was good

[@TheEnnisfan]

Mel Gibson may be all sorts of things, but he's also a brilliant director. This is a brutal masterpiece. The Mayan Empire was no joke.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

nitpick - there wasn't a Mayan Empire

[@TheEnnisfan]

Were there Aztec and Incan Empires?@@anonymouslyopinionated656

[@ChachoGSX]

He's based and he tells us what's really going on. Him and Denzel.

[@FriendlyCroock]

@@ChachoGSX Denzel? Not exactly.

[@timasuna1756]

​@@anonymouslyopinionated656 This was based on the Aztecs, not Maya.

[@scottgreig8066]

Great reaction ladies. This is one of my favourite movies of all time.

[@charles7836]

Looking forward to this. They're slowly becoming my favorites. I enjoy their sense of humor.

[@JynxRyl]

We appreciate you. ❤️

[@MrJavito70]

Por fin otra reacción a ésta película, como cuesta que vean ésta joya...😊😊

[@adi1582]

A mi tambien me gusto encontrar was reacciones de esta pelicula!

[@kennethjoseph6362]

such an amazing film! i've seen an iconic photo from behind the scenes making of it, it shows Mel in the river up to his neck, while he's directing the actors when they are being taken hostage. another great reaction! 👍

[@wolfj0095]

The white stuff the slaves were mining was limestone used for construction. It’s very abrasive to the respiratory system, hence the coughing up blood.

[@jocampo9435]

28:20 fun fact they tied a real jaguar and had the actor actually run away from it (the actor is super fast in real life)

[@richlisola1]

The priest knew about the eclipse. The Mayans were good at math and astronomy-He was using the eclipse to manipulate the people. The higher ups, the priest and the king knew the human sacrifices were useless, but they used them to control the people amidst the crop blight.

[@uggggggghhhhh]

Um.. no..

[@sanchoohches]

Yep, nothing has changed to this day

[@seanharris8419]

@@uggggggghhhhhUm yes. That is a documented fact.

[@Uriel-Septim.]

Nothing new under the Sun.

[@The_Catnip]

@@uggggggghhhhh Um.. yes. And they weren't the only ones who new math and how the world works.

[@bubblesculptor]

Mel Gibson said research for this movie revealed evidence of brutality far beyond what is shown here. This is actually a 'tame' depiction. What I like most about this movie is Jaguar Paw's unwavering goal of survival, never giving up.

[@One87even]

Yea he also only gets to read the spainards side of the story the type of story that give you an excuse to come here hurt my people. THEY BURNED MOST OF OUR HISTORY AS THEY DID THE BLACKS. MEL GIBSON DOESNT KNO MUCH BUT LIES TOLD BY THE AGRESOR SMFH MY PEOPLE WERE CLEAN WELCOMING LOVING FAMILY ORIENTED. Of course every civilization has bad apples but when history is erased you can only expect to hear their side.

[@Josemunoz-hi9nh]

Frfr the Mayans were brutal to the guts🤣🤣🤣

[@brandonmartin08]

I say this on every reaction I watch of this movie but I never get nightmares from movies. This movie gave my wife and I nightmares me for several nights. I came across it on Pluto Tv and was gonna turn it on around halfway through just to have something on tv but my wife said hell no absolutely not 😆. Thrill ride of a movie for sure!

[@cesarflores9974]

You have to admit Mel Gibson's movies they can hit you hard emotionally and visually even some brutal scenes, but they always end with hope. You guys mentioned you heard "Kulkukan" somewhere, it might of been recently from Wakanda Forever because Namor was also known as Kulkukan, at least in the movie. Originally Kulkukan was the name for a feathered serpent Mayan god. The Aztecs also had a serpent god Quetzalcoatl and known to catch their enemies and sacrifice them later.

[@earthwormjim3269]

Yes, and his movies are always full of horrific torture scenes. He is a sadistic bastard who is obsessed with torture & gruesome death, but it makes for great movies.

[@cesarflores9974]

@@earthwormjim3269 Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, The Godfather, etc are some of the greatest shows/movies ever made yet they had high levels of violence. Some of the recent Viking shows are gems too, Apocalyptico is no different. Gibson has done masterpiece after masterpiece, the gore/violence/blood is only a layer and doesn't define the whole movie/show.

[@Cherrryyyymelo]

The best movie ever! I'll never get bored watching this movie..

[@svtcontour]

This is one of my favorite movies!

[@JynxRyl]

❤️

[@SaoodVidal1]

It's on of the greatest movies of all time, sad it doesn't get the love it deserves. Fun fact: the actors and actresses just 1 or 2 are known for some, the rest are amateur and some are not even actors i don't know how Mel Gibson did this, it's insane.

[@shniyacarter9496]

This is one of my mom and I's favorite movies I don't watch it often but I remember every single scene lmao

[@tisdue]

HOLY SHIT! Apocalypto?? This movie is amazing.

[@JynxRyl]

🔥🔥

[@MitchClement-il6iq]

A mel Gibson masterpiece!

[@bluewizzard8843]

​@@MitchClement-il6iqit's entertaining. Good Storytelling with zero regard to an historical and cultural accuracy. I think movies should educate people about our past. Mel Gibson never does this.

[@Roby3119]

The Aztecs & Mayans also practiced canibalism rituals🫀

[@Dingleberry69420]

@AllenPetersonoduring the arrival of the first conquistadors off the coast of the Yucatán, all major Mayan cities were abandoned for hundreds of years already. So no it wasn’t accurate but great movie nonetheless.

[@mokane86]

“Yeah, they’re jungle bees..!” 😂👍

[@robertshriver4574]

Thank you for your reaction to this masterpiece film. Happy New Year!

[@giniinthebottle5777]

I enjoy you calm reflexion afterwards a lot.

[@carloscanchehernandez855]

Esta película es una obra maestra del cine.

[@JynxRyl]

👍🏾

[@juliafloreshernandez6854]

Mel lo hizo de nuevo

[@quicktastic]

I remember watching for the first time. I was completely mesmerized by it. I love how strong the mom and little boy were. You are left wondering how it would go for their little family.

[@silvert00]

One of the greatest movies ever made.

[@Martonesdef]

Ryl looking at you like, "I'm not watching another f*cking movie with you" 😂😂

[@JynxRyl]

😂😂 omg

[@SplitPersonality_21]

Glad you watched a classic underrated gem 💎

[@JynxRyl]

❤️❤️

[@ericautaubo8543]

Some other Native classics are Thunder Heart, Smoke Signals, & Windtalkers.... Apocalypto is one of the newest films, and Reservation Dogs just finished its final season

[@peterengelen2794]

A true masterpiece in the cinematic history. Inspired and influenced by other ''chase'' movies like ''The Most Dangerous Game'' (1932), ''The Naked Prey'' (1965) & ''The Big Gundown'' (1966). Greetings from The Netherlands

[@dawnhauton7543]

Watched Apocalypto many times and I absolutely love it...

[@justinwilliams1117]

Great reaction ladies. Loving the hair. I enjoyed the different emotions you both had watching the movie.

[@thomasheitkamp7250]

Still remeber when it came on video and watched it in my home cinema.drinking beer and smoking one after another.the more the film get forward the more drunk i get.it was a real adventure.

[@NotPoliticalCorrect]

An ALL TIME favorit movie of mine LOVED IT ! 🤪

[@ivalani1893]

This movie is a masterpiece. ❤

[@reginalddithapo7922]

Those were wasps or hornets, and unlike bees, the can sting you repeatedly without dying, and also very aggressive and territorial. They can actually descimate a whole bees nest. With ❤ from Botswana 🇧🇼 Africa. P.S. you probably heard Kukulkan from the movie Wakanda Forever, that’s what Mbaku called Neimur.

[@Cunning.Stunt.777]

Large Bee hives can hold their own against wasps (not hornets though) Bees, They vibrate in unison, which causes wasps to boil from the inside out 🐝💥....🍯🏆

[@garydodd2837]

Hey u two! luv ur channel...Apocalypto is a genius film, so good and heartbreaking too..Epic film. enjoy😊👍Much luv from Ireland🍀💚

[@claasengelbart2268]

Thank you for this awesome reaction! 1:02 This animal is not a boar, it´s a tapir.

[@lifesajoke6965]

The animal they were chasing in the beginning was a tapir.

[@tsogobauggi8721]

22:43 Actually, they were expecting the eclipse. They knew when the eclipse would happen, and used this whole performance as a way to control & rule people. 27:45 "So cute" :D 38:14 Those ships are the real apocalypto.

[@kongvinter33]

its been like this through time, the ruling elite got the common people to believe they elite were Gods and by using esoteric knowledge they brainwashed the people. Same thing in Egypt.

[@kongvinter33]

@K.C-2049 disdain? everything about the Mayans that Mel showed has been proven to have happened.

[@アキコ2003]

​@K.C-2049facts will never be disdain, stay mad.

[@x_mau9355]

Agreed. Imagine the first European arriving there and seeing all that. No wonder they killed them all.

[@アキコ2003]

@@x_mau9355 I mean, that logic is also wrong since the Europeans tortured women and children for being smart sooooo...idk what you're on about 💀 They killed them because they were racist

[@macedindu829]

One of the finest films I've ever seen. I went into this pretty blind, wondering what the heck Mel Gibson was doing with a film about Meso-American tribesmen. It's a masterpiece of the highs and lows of humanity, in a setting that very few film-goers have any understanding of.

[@caramelzz38mmines31]

Hands down my favorite movie!!! Soo many people need to put this on there hit list❤❤❤❤😊

[@gaia1577]

You should watvh the documentary that explains how they put all the elements together to make this film the masterpiece it is!

[@PerfectlyImperfect93]

I love this movie 😭🙌🏼 also Kukulkan was from Black Panther Wakanda Forever , Namors name.

[@youngtrainingdaywestphilly203]

I call the jaguar "the reluctant warrior" because of the choices it makes, how it uses its jaguarness. Humans who have lived or worked with jaguars all acknowledge the power, fierceness, and savagery of the animal and, at the same time, its non-aggressive nature towards humans. 💯😃👍

[@Markrobinson-bb3ti]

Hell yeah you girls picked a good one. Ive always loved this movie. That uppercut with that club was awesome and the beautiful cloud of mist that comes off his head...F that guy he deserved it haha

[@petersevcik3450]

The fighter named Middle Eye (Gerardo Taracena) is the most terrifying in appearance 🥶🥶🥶.

[@TeamHarrisonMachine]

Wow!!! I’m glad y’all watched this!

[@Wokeundwehrhaft]

Great Reaction! I love this movie as the small Apocalypse ends and the BIG Apocalypse(Spanish) arrives on ship.

[@selardohr7697]

I saw a reaction to this once and the end they said, "oh are they missionaries?" I laughed SO HARD.

[@RosyRosy24]

This MOVE IS A must see !!👍👍 It’s a great incredible movie . I’ve seen it at least four times and every time I see it I am just WOW!!!!!

[@petermartinez3875]

Hey Jyn and Ryl how y’all ladies doing today?? ❤️Yes I love this freaking movie Apocalypto I watched this so many times over the years and probably one of the best gruesome films ever back in 2006!! That panther scene is legendary & brutal. My family and I always watch this together. Yes it was directed by Mel Gibson and he also directed the Christian drama, The Passion of the Christ (2004) yall both should reacted to this movie as well & Jim Caviezel’s performance was absolutely phenomenal ✝️

[@JynxRyl]

We’re doing great. The movie was awesome 👍🏾

[@65cj55]

The Inca worshipped the sun god, they believed it to be the ancestor of the Incas. Inti was at the head of the state cult, and his worship was imposed throughout the Inca empire. He was usually represented in human form, his face portrayed as a gold disk from which rays and flames extended.

[@luismar63]

This was the Azteca the Inca were from peru

[@65cj55]

@@luismar63 Same Same..

[@Dmanz67]

The Inca are from Peru, Just like Paddington bear.

[@krisaaron8180]

This movie is not an easy watch and I am glad you could still enjoy it. This was a dangerous world like you said, and the reason the Europeans were able to conquer it is in addition to having guns that they brought another weapon they did not even know they had. It's estimated that up to 90% of the native people were wiped out by new diseases they had no immunity to; even chicken pox and measles were fatal as well as small pox and many others. I highly recommend a book called 1491: New Revelations of the World Before Columbus which is about how the native people lived just before and during their first encounters with the newcomers.

[@PolferiferusII]

That book is awesome! I second it.

[@Dmanz67]

What a masterpiece this film is, I've seen it a few times. It's actually even better on second viewing.

[@christinemctaggart8185]

That film had me twinged up. Brilliant

[@dennisjohnson5414]

Yup a rollercoaster..n awesome reaction 😊

[@gladysmereles6297]

TRAE DOLOR LA HISTORIA, PERO NOS HACE SENTIRNOS ORGULLOSOS DE QUIENES SOMOS SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷

[@powerazteca7561]

Historia de México 🇲🇽 y Centro América🇬🇹🇸🇻🇭🇳🇳🇮🇨🇷🇵🇦 hasta Colombia 🇨🇴 Venezuela 🇻🇪 Ecuador 🇪🇨 Perú 🇵🇪 Bolivia 🇧🇴 tu no tienes historia Europeo 🇦🇷

[@johnritter6864]

Incredible film

[@TheStruggleUK.]

Happy New year guys from over hear in the cold UK 😊 Been enjoying your reactions for a while now and particularly enjoy Ryl’s genuine emotional reactions. I completely understand as I don’t like seeing children etc suffering in life or on film. You might think this is funny but I live in a town called Rhyl which is pronounced exactly the same way 😊

[@matttorrence2900]

This film was crazy, man!

[@mikecaetano]

What Apocalypto lacks in fidelity to the known archeological record, it more than makes up for with action. The men on the ships at the end are more or less supposed to represent Hernán Cortés (1485-1547), the Spanish Conquistador who led the expedition in 1519 that toppled the Aztec Empire. Cortes landed at Veracruz in July and marched on Tenochtitlán (aka Mexico City) in August. His forces included 600 soldiers, 15 horsemen, and 15 cannons. Cortés made alliances with the enemies of the Aztecs during the march. Apocalypto shows the various motivations behind the regional animosity towards the Aztecs.

[@40INTENSITY]

You're absolutely right, Cortezs' cousin Francisco Pizarro also was in Peru and Panama @ the same time doing the same thing.

[@Mexikalt]

Axkanah! Axnicamati inin tlatepactli! Whyte washed lies /when we would go to war with our fellow tribes we would only capture our enemies not kill them the Spanish along with the Jesuits burned down all of our libraries anahuahc amoxtli but the good thing thousands of them were still found now called codesis and in all zapotec mixteco mayan ect none ever had any thing about human sacrifice 😜 its used against our people to make us ashamed of our roots and a way for the Spanish to justify they're atrocities towards our people aka colonization

[@BigFists2024]

Hernan didn’t do squat that’s why he left!! The Aztecs are a nickname!! Aka mejica known today for Mexicans!! 600 men 🫡🫢🤭🫣🤫🤣🤣🤣 they let the Spanish in because they were confused about a vision they had earlier about a God on a horse “ Jesus is returning on a horse the Bible says!! The Mexicans killed 500 men in a few hrs noche triste 🤣

[@johnmaynardable]

This is the 3rd film I've watched your reaction to, I really like your reactions, very sensitive and wise. This is not an easy movie to watch, but it is pretty amazing.

[@_Shadoh_]

Great reaction to a great movie! Just one little thing: it's not a boar, it's a tapir, totally different species which is actually more related to horses and rhinos than to pigs.

[@unmejorhumano]

Great reaction; a lot of emotions out from this film.

[@_deebanger]

An amazing film ❤ not many people know of this movie . Great reaction 🫶🏼

[@charlesbarnes6912]

Jungle Bee's 😂😂😂 awwww

[@wheelmanstan]

Such an amazing film. There's been so many films that try to do something similar but it always comes out looking fake. This feels very real and SCARY. Just imagine if you had to direct something like this, the undertaking. Only a few directors can tackle it. Mel Gibson is amazing.

[@uggggggghhhhh]

Amazing movie. I dont like Mel Gibson but as a Mexican person, it was really amazing to see this ancient civilization brought to life. Especially because they used actors that had ancestors from this time and spoke the language (many people still do in Mexico). The actors werent even actors but they were phenomenal. I put it off for a long time because when I was like 7 or 8? I went to the movies with my mom, I saw Cat Woman and she went to see this one; mine was done first so I went to sit next to her not knowing what this movie was... I walked in right when theyre doing the sacrifices up on the pyramid.. I was traumatized. I remember being SO scared thinking it was real because this white lady was crying her eyes out right next to me lmfao. Imo, its not one of those movies I would watch again in full but its one of those that I think everyone should watch..

[@sanchoohches]

Mel is great.

[@sanchoohches]

Mel is great.

[@sanchoohches]

Mel is great.

[@amparocruz951]

Too bad this movie is extremely inaccurate

[@teddiegauta651]

This my movie right here. To the point where I don’t watch with subtitles anymore because I know what they’re saying from watching it so damn much. Haha.

[@kyungsoosings2362]

There are many clips of the behind the scenes in the making of the movie...such a daunting, massive undertaking, to say the least. Many of these videos showing the making of tbe movie shows Mel Gibson directing the actors, and showing how he decided on many aspects of the story, the visuals, the actors' characters, the back story, as this is the Mayan culture in history, supposedly...then the 'white man' appears in tbe end, as being the discoverers of this land....and that is probably the end of the forest people and Mayan culture. All lands are discovered this way, right? Like Christoher Columbus and America. There are many discoverers in history, but for this Mayan lands, I couldn't guess wben and who that would be in real life history.

[@micaelcastellanos]

The start of this movie was filmed In my beautiful country Belize 🇧🇿

[@amparocruz951]

The whole movie was filmed in Veracruz Mexico

[@NajaalGobindSingh]

Kukulkan was the name of the Sea Man in the Last Black Panther Movie

[@LaoWatsonSmith]

1:19 actually it’s a Tapir

[@jeffmay8139]

You might like 'The Good Lie'. Storyline: Four Sudanese children orphaned after their village is massacred in the Second Sudanese Civil War make an arduous, dangerous trek through the plains, enduring hardship, death, and sacrifice all the way until they reach safety in a refugee camp in Kenya. Years later, these youths are among 3600 selected for resettlement in America, only to have the one girl among them sent to Boston, while the three boys must make a new life in Kansas City.

[@Gilteevlogs]

movie is a masterpiece Americans learn that the Spanish were cruel. What did the Spanish think when they saw the natives killing and sending offerings to the "pagan" Gods? The majority of the indigenous population did not die because of the cruelty of the Spaniards but because of the diseases brought by them (which was not a conscious act). The Spanish managed to conquer the Aztecs even though there were only a few hundred of them due to the fact that many tribes joined them in the fight with them because they treated them very badly. Some criticised this as an attempt to excuse the Conquistador conquest of Mexico But it must be said that the Aztecs were so hated that the majority of Indigenous flocked to join the Spaniards as they marched against pl The mayans were very smart especially when it came to math and studying the sky! That priest and the royalty up on the pyramid knew when the eclipses would happen, or at least knew they would be temporary, and used that to control viva Mexico

[@RosyRosy24]

Definitely, a masterpiece movie 👍👍

[@brt5273]

It's tough getting through the violence but worthwhile. Incredible film.

[@AWest-en5ee]

It's a unique movie, even if it takes a lot of liberty with some historical details (such as mixing different periods of Mayan culture, and depicting mass sacrifice that was more common with the Aztecs as far as we know, etc.). It has a good story though, and as gruesome as it is, it is well worth watching. Thank you for your reaction!

[@angelb1769]

Best underrated movie made loved it

[@aces_high9220]

Is it me or that tree at 15:32 has always been there,maybe this is extended version? Never knew about that scene or i just missed it lol

[@rveloce]

Love watching you guys react

[@TheIamtheoneandonly1]

@38:20. Just when you think things can’t possibly get any damn worse, *the Spaniards turn up!* 😮😂😂

[@FriendlyCroock]

Yeah... I don't know where u got your history lessons from, I'm guessing your local antifa meeting, but the spaniards weren't "worse", they were pretty much the same.

[@PhenomWun]

“It’s okay” “Huh?” “It’s okay” . . . “It’s not” 😂

[@JynxRyl]

🤣🤣

[@Mariue8553]

i watched this as a kid like 7 or 8 and i cried so bad 😂its a really good movie

[@the3rdbean]

a great movie! classic!

[@federicotorres6863]

and a curious fact, the chase with the jaguar is real, (logically the black panther "jaguar" was tied )up but the actors ran in front of it to make it look real, I imagine that if a panther is following you your expression will do the most real possible, even if it is tied up !! 🤣😂🤣

[@tripsaplenty1227]

9:10 "I didn't expect so much violence" Directed by Mel Gibson

[@harpergras]

Great movie...Very underrated.

[@mcfmcf4038]

one time i was on a bus tour, and the guide actually said "The Americas were a place of peace before the white man arrived" lol Not defending any colonizer, but since the dawn of man, we humans have been tribal, territorial, violent, and will fight for territory, resources, power, women, etc... I burst out laughing when the tour guide acted like the history of evil began in the 1400s, and everything was fine and chill before then.

[@AmorMori]

Well yeah they’re ✨Jungle Bees✨

[@susi37mo]

Que bueno que conozcan a los verdaderos nativos de america los indígenas y su gran cultura

[@JynxRyl]

💜💜

[@iknew8082]

My childhood favorite movie, evertime i go to forest i pretend like them and start making trap like someone chase me😅

[@-blackmamba6278]

The animal you saw them hunting is a tapir a distant relative of horses and rhinos

[@KatrinaThomas-l8f]

This is the greatest movie.. i watched it over a decade ago& it's still so powerful❤😢

[@clayc8115]

Apolocypto 2 would just be the Spanish doing the same exact thing to the Mayans. We know how that went

[@GazBC4U]

Yeah but 'they' already did it because not one dark person I saw so yeah. What you're talking about is history telling you that and not the full truth. That was like the 3rd or 4th time the seeds of the devil came.