Apollo Phantom Review: New, Powerful, Most Anticipated Scooter of 2021

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What do you think of the new highly anticipated Apollo Phantom? geni.us/paKH?track=yt Let us know down below!

[@supakat1835]

I think adding front turn signals are definitely an easy solution with some relays. 60v will be stupid fast, I would be very satisfied with the 52V. I could really use this scooter today, but since I don’t have safety gear yet like a full face helmet I am probably going to settle for a simple bicycle to get around till the phantom is available.

[@905cool2]

@@teslasnek bouncy suspension is no good

[@mroberts112]

One thing I wasn't clear on is the range other than the stats. I mean if you are using the slowest setting what's the range versus the highest setting.

[@Quepasaaqui718]

I say May can’t get here soon enough!

[@5T3V3NB]

I'm content with my Mantis but I've always wanted more speed, something akin to the Wolf Warrior would be perfect! I would have upgraded but I'm not a big fan of the Wolf's overall aesthetic & lack of portability. The Mantis on the other hand, I love the aesthetic & the portability but still want more oomph. This in the Ludo model looks close enough to the Mantis aesthetic with that little bit more power I've been looking for... Keen as hell for summer! 🤟😝🤟

[@MrRustyJames]

I already ordered mine. With a July delivery date and me being a tad older than a rock, I'm hoping I live long enough to ride it. :)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Congrats! Hope you enjoy it! -Paul

[@jeffbergstrom]

I was up at 6a CST the morning Apollo released the Phantom but their order page was not up yet. I went to bed till 2p, went to the order page at 3p CST and they were sold out. So, like you, mine is coming in July. Very excited to get it. Bummed I will miss half the summer before I can ride it (winters where I am are not great for riding). First world problems...

[@bruceleroy8063]

Good luck bud. Have fun.

[@jeremyanderson4138]

Haha

[@MrRustyJames]

@@jeffbergstrom I feel your pain. ;)

[@alexlittig7927]

I canceled my phantom 52v order for the Vsett 10+ . Vsett has so much more going for it. First 60v vs 52v. 28ah battery vs 23. Dual 1400w motors vs 1200w motors. Way better kickstand, LG battery's vs Dynavolt. 50 mph top speed in sport mode with a lighter weight rider which i am. Better charging port location imo. Phantom does win in regards to display but I am worried about how dim it is. Its useless if I can't see it. It has a better headlight location then the vsett 10+. Better repairability but I don't plan to ride my scooter very hard at all. I like the vsett for thr huge battery. At slow speeds of 15- 20 mph I should get 35 -45 miles imo in eco mode maybe more as I only weight 67kg. No range anxiety

[@nickjh1968]

Me too. As an existing Apollo explore owner this seemed the logical upgrade, but the Vsett offers more albeit at an increased price. Roll on mid April itching to get my hands on the 10+👍

[@denisidrizovic9165]

@@nickjh1968 where did you get it from ? i also want to buy it, how long is the wait ?

[@nickjh1968]

@@denisidrizovic9165 From PET in London, should be delivered mid April🤞

[@chezeface1142]

This scooter seems like a slow pos. 37.5mph? Wtf its 2021 right?

[@KelvinShiFTZ]

Theres no eco mode on vsett 10 plus, but i like trigger throttle better than thumb throttle.

[@mroberts112]

I felt your guys were in love with this scooter when it was first announced. Now that I own one and we are seeing the stem break (apollo is fixing this), I wanted to watch this review again. Not sure how you missed that there is a 'dead' spot in the throttle (apollo is fixing this - actually its not a dead spot - its basically an on and off switch - on accelerating and off - decelerating). The display is no where near bright enough (apollo is fixing this). My Apollo Air 3X cheaper and the ride is better and has a better throttle and the display is brighter. No idea why Apollo put such a cheap throttle lever on the scooter but at least they are fixing it. The rear guard cover hits the wheel on every bump (they fixed this by sending out new parts), the glue on the rubber mat - come on - can't the factory even glue on a mat - the air 3x cheaper is perfect. The scooter wasn't ready to be sold, but they clearly care about their customers and are working to fix these issues. However I think the ESG review was way too generous. The rear fender, the dead throttle and the display should have been easily caught in your review. To be honest I felt like they gave you a kick-back for all the promotion you did for them but its just a hunch. There are other issues - odemeters resets for no reason, front lights aren't blinking like real lights etc. but the ones mentioned before are the key ones. I suspect by V2 the scooter or V3 the scooter will be amazing, but I think we need to see more balanced reviews with more critical comments and independence instead of being simply the Apollo fanboys. I say all the above as someone who still likes Apollo as a brand and company. In the long terms if Apollo can get through this, they should become a stronger and better company. ESG too needs to act more independently with less hype.

[@mattpignato9763]

Yup! You know they noticed it. Why didn't they mention it? Makes me wonder 🤔

[@mroberts112]

@@mattpignato9763 me too - I really felt like ESG was working for Apollo - like they were one company ( I felt that way before I ever received my scooter ) . I can't confirm as I don't have any insider information, but with the multiple fanboy streams with almost no negative comments it does make one wonder. Perhaps ESG should say this on their videos that they are NOT receiving any kickbacks and these reviews are independent. ESG if you are listening, it would be great for you to confirm or dispell this theory. I could be totally wrong. At least us consumers can then make more informed decisions as to the independence of the reviews they post. At this point in time, I don't trust ESG reviews either way given how many things they missed with this review that were SO obvious to anyone riding this scooter.

[@MikePenabxittech]

@@mroberts112 yup i feel the same way after all the known issues are affecting my phantom and the stem just crack too i am about to log in and do an official review :)

[@luckyluciano4075]

@@MikePenabxittechJUST DO IT!

[@maheber6964]

This is a real review- much appreciated!

[@AQUAPHONIC]

Soooooo excited to ride this thing! Finally, a Big Big Dawg friendly sexy scooter for a two meter Clyde’ pushing 3 bills, and for $2k! Ok, so the Ghost would also work, though coming up from a Ninebot Max, I can’t do the trigger thing, or the collar thing. I’m not hating, just not my style. Same with the Wolf/11x. I’m also used to a scooter that I am willing to carry up and down a long flight of stairs at my studio, and fit in my trunk along with a second scooter, so the hundred-pound scoots would alter some logistics, which would be no bueno, and to pay another stack and lose function doesn’t make sense in my current situation. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love a chance to ride all those scooters, among others, though I only have the budget for one, so it’s got to do it all in one shot. This thing is going to get some miles on it with the quickness!

[@JamesFaction]

It's been cool seeing Ramier over the months getting more comfortable in front of the camera and steadily improve his presentation. To the point where he's having a bit of fun with it. More Ramier pls. 😁

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

He's actually even more fun, and even nicer in real life! -Paul

[@YourAubsome]

Please review the Wolf Warrior X and VSETT 10+, they are the scooters that are the actual rival of the Phantom. Comparing them to scooters released years ago doesn't make much sense. I'm very disappointed in the Phantom's battery size. Both the Wolf X and VSETT 10+ massively increased battery capacity compared to the previous generation of 10" scooters and will destroy the Phantom in range. The lack of a good horn is also a con of the Phantom, but to be fair the Wolf X might be the only 10" scooter that includes a good horn.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Looking forward to testing both the Wolf Warrior X and Vsett 10+. Neither have been available for us to test yet. I'd really like to ride them. -Paul

[@TimsElectric]

Awesome review ESG! :) Looking forward to reviewing it in the near future :) Your graphics are awesome :) :) btw Cheers Tim's Electric :)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hey Tim - love your channel and your perspective on scooters.

[@e-scooterguy]

Great to see the full video review, be great if you could review the vsett 8,9,10 soon ESG as the 9 and definitely 10 are competitors. I think if Apollo added indicators to the handlebars so that they are high and visible from the front and could get this to ip55 or better then I think they have the best scooter ever sewn up! As it is it looks like they are close! 😀

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Apollo is really heading in a good direction, and quickly! I hope we can get our hands on a Vsett some time soon. -Paul

[@5T3V3NB]

THAT... would be the ultimate E Scooter in my mind, so long as it was the Ludo. lol Handlebar indicators for the front & an IP55 rating... ...just mmwah! 😘👌

[@erwinjosue5437]

Nice review. The Apollo Phantom is now my holy grail EKS. I only wish there’s a local distributor in the Philippines so could check it out personally.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you!

[@MrRustyJames]

Apollo needs to set up shop in the Philippines, as well as the USA.

[@707zacbuster]

I was on the verge of ordering the turbowheel lightning until someone in a e.scooter Facebook group im in posted your guys top 12 e.scooters and the phantom caught my eye so I looked at your guys review for it and man oh man you stopped me dead in my tracks of ordering the turbowheel. The fact the folding mechanism is so simple and not complicated and the fact you mentioned Apollo was generous enough to include a toolkit including spare tubes, brake pads and it has turn signals was the deal breaker for me. The turbowheel was only going to provide you with a hex key ring and that's it. Apollo is already saving you time and money with the tool kit being with your purchase. I just preorder my phantom and I can't wait ride it this July😊😊

[@MrRustyJames]

Wise decision. I hope neither one of us is disappointed.

[@707zacbuster]

3 months ago when I preordered this scooter I was extremely hyped for this scooter. But within those 3 months I've seen too many posts from people addressing too many problems with their phantom what makes it worse is that people who got their phantoms replaced, their replacement phantoms seem to have more problems than their first phantom. Worst of all, more than 3 people reported that their frame either cracked or completely snapped off the phantom. That made me cancel my preorder and bought a vsett 10 instead

[@JerbFTW]

Amazing review! Looking forward to the release of this scooter and to see how much it will change the industry!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you!

[@chezeface1142]

Slow scooters won't change anything. This scooter would be embarrassing

[@NoProGoPronto]

Great review Chuck and crew! This scooter has all the updated features I would like except I would prefer a beefier stem latch like on the VSETT 10+, but Apollo’s new latch is okay. I’m disappointed that they still used that flimsy, too short low budget kickstand on such a heavy scooter. That’s the same complaint I have with my Dualtron Eagle Pro. Thanks again everyone 🛴😃

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I think both latches are pretty burley. The Phantom's latch is super super solid. I'm hoping they update the kickstand before long. I'm pretty tough on kickstands. -Paul

[@MikePenabxittech]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide you guys let me down with this review

[@jcarteeuga]

I’m loving my Phantom! It’s a beast of a scooter compared to the Horizon I upgraded from. I actually got it up to 42mph. It seems like you can get 40 miles of range if you keep it in single motor mode, which you can get up to 30mph. There are obviously faster scooters like the Nami Burn E that you just reviewed, but I wouldn’t pay $5k for a scooter. I’m not sure if even want to go that fast. I’m pretty satisfied and don’t think I’ll be upgrading to another scooter. I’m already on my third scooter.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Congrats on your scooter fleet! It's fun, right? For sure, $5k is a lot to spend on a scooter, but when it's your passion (and possibly your transportation) it's a solid investment over time. Awesome to hear that you upgraded from Horizon to Phantom -- BIG change! I personally don't like to go over 30 mph either (mental block). Glad you're enjoying your rides and thank you for watching! - Trina

[@choicegaming3183]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Think of how people will judge you for dropping $5k on a scooter, while it’s seems solid to you, others still view it as a toy.

[@BGD.2980]

@@choicegaming3183 Who gives a crap what people think! If you spend 5K on a scooter for a toy or transportation, at the end of the day it's your money! I think if you live in a big city like NYC, Chicago, Bay Area or any place that could charge for parking, on top of spending 2k-3k for rent! A scoot sounds good to me! Just pull that bad boy in every night when you're home! No paying for parking!

[@jigzonyt517]

How much did it cost you?

[@jigzonyt517]

@@choicegaming3183 I don't think the people that judge him are of any concern. People pay ludicrous amounts of money on cars that essentially sit in the same traffic at the same speeds as a car that cost very little. In the scooter market right now there is huge differences in day to day performance within the different price brackets. I'm not really too fussed about a high speed scooter mine does 20mph ish with some mods to the firmware, however it seriously lacks on inclines and range. If I could get something that does a solid 20-25mph and can climb just as easy I'd happily pay some more than what my current scooter was worth to get the performance I naively expected. I'm happy to take it as a learning curve as I'm new to scooters, I've learnt I don't like front wheel drive and I prefer levers to the ninebots throttle style break. I really like my friends mi pro but I hate the wheels, they don't feel stable at speed or when making sharp turns plus it feels cheap and weak compared to the nice ride and stability that my e25e has.

[@MeAveragEd]

excellent video as always. ESG lets you make best decision when purchasing an e-scooter. I'm stoked that I will be cruising on a Phantom in a couple of months. 52V now, but hopefully, Apollo provides us a 60V upgrade kit down the road....unless the Phantom II comes out LOL.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you!

[@mikes96fs]

Can’t wait to get one. I’m holding out for the ludicrous model. I’m riding an Apollo Explore now. Love it but I’m ready to step it up to much more power. I’m a bigger guy at 240 pounds and the explore’s single motor at 1000 watts won’t go faster than 27/28 mph with me on it. Hills can be a little slow going up as well. Looks like this phantom ludicrous will have no problems going up the hills and getting me to the beach quickly.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The Ludo is amazing. Throttle control is on point. I found that even when I had it set to full boogie, I could cruise it around in circles at 5 mph easily too. So it's smoother and easier than the Wolf King for sure (Though I also love the Wolf King) -Paul

[@ratchfordgeorge]

How fast do you need to go on a scooter?

[@austensmith6857]

Losing weight will help too

[@mikes96fs]

@@austensmith6857 it does help but I’m a big guy at 6’ 4”. I couldn’t wait for Apollo any longer. Bought a Dualtron Storm last month.

[@austensmith6857]

@@mikes96fs is that better than the phantom?

[@applespider]

I pre-ordered the ghost in March and then upgraded to the phantom(52v, hydraulic brakes). The ghost would have been more then enough for me considering this is my first scooter. But go big or go home.

[@applespider]

@kmd76kmd76 I had the same thoughts about dual motor. I was originally looking into the explore but after researching I figured I would probably enjoy dual motor much more. Just knowing I have the extra acceleration and power makes me feel good about my investment

[@mikes96fs]

@kmd76kmd76 I totally agree! I have an explore as my first scooter. Loved it for a few months but the excitement is gone. Need more power!

[@Hardycore7]

Glad I'm not the only one here who came to this conclusion! :P

[@applespider]

@TheWhateverGuy the ghost is a beauty. I would have stuck with it if the phantom didn’t have the plug and play cables and the two year warranty. The features are a nice touch and I do appreciate that I will be able to repair things on my own a little easier.

[@ratchfordgeorge]

@TheWhateverGuy My Ghost is coming next week, when is yours?

[@carrisasteveinnes1596]

I'm in Perth Australia, and just ordered this. Arriving in six days. handing over my Dragon GTS V2 to my 15 year old daughter for her school runs. She is well experienced in the use of it.

[@ucheucheuche]

Finally!! Your full review!!

[@theraid100]

I guess I'm not the only one eyeing the Vesset 10+ .. but I also live in the states so the Phantom will be MUCH easier to repair/get parts for, besides the 10+ has no Regen brake

[@PkKingX11]

Who said it doesn't have regen?

[@AdrianButler86]

@@PkKingX11 does it? If it does its def not like the one appollo is working on where it has its own thumb control. The more u press the more regen braking

[@JoelsterG4k]

I was waiting for this review, this looks to be the best of this year scooter, thank you for a great video.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks!

[@alexcherrypicks]

I just want something that looks like this but matches the range of the eMove cruiser, not having to charge the scooter after every trip is a great feeling

[@lightzpeed4458]

just buy better batteries for it and solider it yourself.

[@raheem123456]

I think the only 2 scooters you can compare it too is.. WOLF WARRIOR X PRO and VSETT 10+ .... Both new for 2021.

[@hubick]

Dualtron Thunder/Storm?

[@raheem123456]

@@hubick New scooters for 2021.. has dualtron got anything coming out this year ??

[@GSteg]

@@raheem123456 Dualtron Victor, available in 24ah and 30ah configuration.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Looking forward to when these become available for us to test. -Paul

[@spacecadet76]

One suggestion. Maybe get a short, lightweight person to try out these scooters too. That would help a lot. Great channel. 👍😄

[@chrisb.1214]

I bet a lot of people that have rushed to preorder the 52v version are now bummed not realizing there's going to be a 60v ludo version coming out later. Good things come to those who wait.

[@kiwimon3204]

@kmd76kmd76 for reals? You sure?. Wat bout the battery. do we have to upgrade other parts? More money I guess...

[@MrRustyJames]

Excellent review as always. You guys RoCK!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@TWRader]

I just bought the Phantom V2 immidetly after learning that the upgrades from V1 to V2 include 3mm thicker steal in the chase and they moved the fendor 5mm back... ANY desing that needs such small tweaks and any compay willing to go to all that effort... 100% deserve my business! That's quality.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s awesome Enjoy

[@weakbruteforce]

Big Dawg was jumping on it??? I'm ordering one today!

[@TRexOne]

These are my first impressions after unboxing the Phantom and riding it for about 20km. As a matter of disclosure, this is my first scooter I own, but I did ride rental scooters before. - just an unboxing suggestion... the video suggests to lift the scooter up out of the box. It's way easier to slide it out having the box on its side. - my first impression: IT'S A BEAST :) - it's large and you won't be folding it to hop with it on a bus. It's tall. I am 5.11 (182cm) and I look like a kid next to the scooter. All good though - I love it!! - dual motor (sport) mode totally delivers on the promised power. However, if you are one of the people who might think, I will get the cheaper one; I don't need that much power... You do. Going up steeper hills and still be able to accelerate does need the power. I wouldn't be too upset having more. 5 stars here. - suspension, sturdiness, solid build, speed, breaks, the display - all great, as I have seen on various reviews. Really happy. Here are some areas for improvement that most reviews didn't mention. These are not deal breakers for me. I am still happy with my purchase, but hopefully the design team will read this for the benefit of future generations. * the safety pin... you need a hammer to push/drive it in and pliers to take it out. I have pretty strong hands and there is no way I can jam the pin in, and yes, I tried a number of times repeatedly locking and unlocking the post. * the key - really? This is 21st century people. I got electronic locks on the house. My car uses the phone (no keys) and of all things my top of the line scooter uses 100 year-old technology. Please can you provide a bluetooth or nfc key? Even if it's a $150 option, I will pay for it. * the steering is too tight - you need to apply rotational force as opposed to be able to just lean into a turn. Never had this problem with any other scooters I used. Maybe this can be adjusted, or maybe it will loosen up with time. * blinkers - what is the point of the blinkers if they are only visible in the back. I still have to hand-signal. You should also use a positional switch (look up some motorcycles). I shouldn't have to be staring at the display to find out if the thing is on. * the throttle - nothing, nothing, nothing, and then boom. Can you design a throttle that applies power GRADUALLY? It's really uneven - super jumpy at the beginning. It's not a matter of power. My EV has almost 500HP and I can move it an inch at a time. This throttle is almost dangers. * the sport mode / dual motor - you should be able to engage it while you ride. I know this is added electronic complexity so the motor doesn't through you back or forward, but... when you ride, most of the time you don't need the dual motor power, and it's a waste of range to be using it all the time, but when you approach various hills, you do need it, but then you have to (almost) stop to engage it. Then, you can also add another mode that has the 2nd motor come on and off automatically. Together with fixing the throttle, these 2 changes would make the scooter much, much better. * the regen breaks - well, first, great that they are there, but the way they work is pretty terrible. You can choose regen strength (in advanced setting - not while you ride), and while you ride it's all or nothing. The strength of the regen break should be proportional to how much the break handle is depressed. You could actually make it work just like Tesla does it with one-foot driving - that would be ideal, but at the very least, make it gradual. With regen, going down hill, I am either accelerating, or if I press the break just a tiny bit, the regen engages and I am slowing down too much. I can't be stopping before each hill, going to advanced setting and changing the regen strength... * the charge port caps / covers don't stick very well - they come off on their own. * the display could be brighter. In the sun, it's hard to see. Other suggestions - make the key lock the steering (like in most motorcycles) - that would be a great added security feature.

[@choicegaming3183]

I do wish the scooters deck was a little bit longer, and had a beefier kickstand, that would be my final selling point.

[@dudxs]

How good does it compare to the VSett 10+ (60V, 25,6Ah or 28Ah) ? Same price, almost same features except for the 4 suspensions vs 2 on the VSett10+

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I have not ridden the VSETT. But there are actually many differences besides the ones you mentioned.

[@dudxs]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide that helps

[@djroyal414]

If you guys do a VSETT 10+ vs Apollo Phantom showdown, you will get 10K views or more!!! This is a MUST ESG!!!!

[@83simIAN]

Unreal Scooter and great review! Now my wide wheel feels like a toy....

[@tjsailing5232]

I agree time for me to upgrade my wide wheel ! I did the pre order and now I wait lol

[@travis9178]

Everyone keeps mentioning the VSETT 10+ being better but does it not cost over $500 USD more? I would hope to get some extra's for the difference in price?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hopefully we'll get our hands on a VSETT 10+ soon, get some data and be able to really have something to say about them. -Paul

[@Goodman-4525]

You should really compare this to the Vsett 10+

[@MrRustyJames]

I have no doubt the ludo version would kill the Vsett 10. not so sure about the 52V

[@MrRustyJames]

Vsett is solid, but I have also heard of some issues with start control. Can't speak from experience, but my eye & ear are open widely. ;) Thoughts?

[@talksickFPV]

I went with the 10+R, all the way. No doubt.

[@14.69-h4s]

Is there an button to turn on and off dual motor mode?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes. The screen will say "Sport" when the button is pressed.

[@PkKingX11]

Phantom Ludo vs VSETT 10+ Pro please

[@AdrianButler86]

Yep thats a fair comparison

[@s.n.n.c.]

There is a one big design issue for me which is the screen of the scooter centered in the handle bar therefore how can we mount any extra gears such as phones, strong horns or extra lighting.

[@octapc]

in theory you can on the handlebar, but yeah, best to have it centre

[@5T3V3NB]

Had the same thought. I've got a balance bar mounted on my Mantis with the handlebar extension mounted to that, with my Fenix BC-30 V2 light mounted to that dead centre. I wouldn't be able to do that on the Phantom? I may be able to look at risers but I've always thought they looked goofy? I also have a Klarus XT21X mounted on the stem with a Fenix ARB-10 mount, but that is offset to the left. Due to the tapered shape of the stem, I also wouldn't be able to use that on the Phantom either so... As much as I would love to upgrade to this, I've just had the realisation that this might be impractical for my use case, with my current gear anyway, as most of my riding is at night. As good as the built-in light is on the Phantom, 1000 lumens just isn't enough on its own? Between the BC-30 & the XT21X I've got 6200 lumens now (which is actually around 4500 is consistently usable) & that is barely enough. This just makes me sad... lol.

[@IIMANIXII]

Manufacturers should spend some time in Rubber grommets where play rattle come in to play its a good way to make things more solid...

[@SteveMartinUSA]

I like the portability test (into the trunk). In fact, I'd really like to see all of the Apollo scooters folded down and compared size-wise right next to one another, and to also show us how to get each into the trunk or back seat. I don't seem to be able to get my Apollo Go into the trunk of my Subaru WRX sedan, and it's 30 pounds lighter than the Phantom.

[@KalJoao]

Is there a way to plug in under deck lights? Or would they need to be battery powered separately?

[@MrRustyJames]

Pretty sure you can do what ever you want. Depends on how motivated you are. :) Doesn't that pretty much apply to anything in life?

[@snorpechumgalimp8943]

What good is a $2500 scooter if you can't wash it with a hose? These Phantoms are having a lot of problems with wheel wobble.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for your feedback!

[@LloydSim]

Looking to upgrade from Boosted Rev to Apollo Phantom sometime later this year! Can't wait what other folks say about this e-scooter. Is Apollo developing an app for their scooters by any chance such as the Phantom, Air, and possibly Ghost? Really diggin' the screen and intuitive buttons, but would like to also just change some of the settings via the app without having to go through the P-Settings

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

For the Phantom, there are plans to eventually have Bluetooth-enabled firmware updates and the like, and the display is capable of doing so -- but they do not have these applications in development yet (that we're aware of). The Phantom's display is MUCH larger and easier to read when you do need to toggle through P-settings. We really enjoyed the Phantom here, it'll definitely feel like a nice level up for you from the Rev! The Air also has Bluetooth capability indicated by icon on screen, but no associated app yet. Since it's an entry-level scooter, there aren't that many settings anyway, so it works even without having an app. What would likely happen w/ this feature for the Air is that the app would allow you to do all the same functions as the display but additionally "lock" the scooter by connecting it to your phone (this usually is only effective as a security measure while the scooter is on). The Ghost comes with a QS-S4 style throttle, so doesn't have Bluetooth capability but what's nice about the QS-S4 is that it's a pretty standard component and can be fairly easily replaced. Ride safe and thanks for watching! - Trina

[@Mr.Behemoth607]

But the thing is how long these nice details can last before it starts to have problems.

[@DeathCab4Cutie]

And the problems it already has. (The cons that Chuck mentioned). Apollo could have made the complete scooter : But just missed the Bullseye

[@MrRustyJames]

@@DeathCab4Cutie I can't honestly comment on that until after delivery date. :)

[@mrmeepmeep1240]

No scooter will be perfect for everyone! You will have to build a scooter yourself if you want to hit that bullseye because in the end of the day they are making this product for the majority not every individual with different taste. They can't fullfil everyone's wish and that is totally understandable. Now unless you build one with your needs met then you can say for yourself only that you have built a scooter that hit that bullseye because you made it and you know what is important to you alone no one else. I don't want to sound like Mr.Knowitall but I just had to reach out and type out what was on my mind. I apologize if I offended anybody not my intention.

[@kiwimon3204]

@@mrmeepmeep1240 yeah. I wish I could build my own. Speed. Power. Range. Suspension. Stability. Comfort etc... Custom built for your needs. May have to go back to school. Engineering. Electronics. lol 😂

[@Estrelas82]

Please provide more portability reviews. Love to see this fit in a 4 door mid sized sedan.. let’s see it fits in the back seats of a car with the seats folded down. Is it too heavy?

[@MagicMikeBilliards]

Would you recommend the Apollo Phantom or the Speedway 5? Can’t choose for better, low maintenance, and more reliable

[@dot5816]

Hi there, I'm wondering what type of lock is best for it? In the pre-order website they have a folding lock for $69. Are there better ones out there or is that one good? I'm gonna be using it a University in Texas where bike/scooters are very popular & where there's also a lot of foot traffic.

[@swayz87]

Hey among a few others, your videos sold me on the purchase. Just made it a few hours ago. I noticed in a few shots the gear button is on the other side of the throttle. Did you guys do that? Does it feel better?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes, on the right handlebar, we felt it was more ergonomic to have the gear buttons, then the throttle/keystart ignition, then the handgrip, as having it on the right means you have to stretch your hand over the button console to throttle. It was definitely more comfortable for us. Thanks for noticing! -Trina

[@swayz87]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide interesting! I'll have to tinker with it when the beast arrives in a month and half or so. Thanks for the reply ❤️

[@f.cscootriders]

This is on my list for my next scooter. Also on the list is a vsett 10+

[@e-scooterguy]

Be great to see what ESG think of the vsett 10. It’s got the foldable handlebars and indicators front of deck aswell as back so has the phantom there and a unique and firm folding mechanism like the phantom. I think phantom has the vsett on suspension, ride quality and display from first look plus I do prefer thumb throttle as an etwow owner! Vsett 10 vs phantom scooter battle video please ESG 😀

[@jedh3854]

@@e-scooterguy yes!! We need this- pls make it happen ESG

[@alexlittig7927]

Vsett 10+R is way way faster.

[@TheDarksteel94]

I wish I had that much money lol

[@danvassalluzzo1975]

Will there be a factory kit to upgrade the 52v to 60v? What would that kit come with? Do other scooters offer a factory upgrade from 52v to 60v? Example like the Zero 10x. Or will this be a first with the Phantom? Obviously I'm trying to decide to keep my pre order of the 52v or wait till Apollo releases the 60v.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm pretty sure you will be able to go from 52V to 60V, but it would involve replacing the battery, so it would cost a fair amount more than say upgrading from 60V Phantom to 60V Phantom Ludo. It will probably be a while before they have pricing on that sort of thing. You might reach out to them for advice the best way to go.

[@danvassalluzzo1975]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you.

[@coolshariq]

As much i like Apollo phantom looks freaking Awesome but VESSETT 10+ is also so sweet looking 😎👍

[@chrisyip4202]

I am a novice to the E-Scooter market. I am looking to buy 1. Having watched your both excellent review of the Ghost and Phantom. I can't decide, what do you recommend? Thanks a million!

[@DDDarkz]

Should do a review on the Vsett 10+

[@l-Lucid-l]

How are the mudguards? And is the deck larger than the 10x?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The mudguards are good with one exception. The rear deck handle (which we love) consists of a big hole in the foot-rest where water can come through. So we recommend having your rear foot on the foot-rest if you go through any big puddles, or you will have wet socks. -Paul

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide great, thanks for the feedback. I’ll take a hole I can cover over useless mudguards any day . I feel like almost every scooter has awful mudguards

[@JUANQUI806]

Hi Chuck how tall are you? I'm at 6 feet and I'm wonder what is more comfortable for me, The ghost with shorter and wider (9")deck or the phanton with longer but 7" deck? Thanks for the video

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm only 5'8." Actually both decks are not "small" at all and are both "Big Dawg Approved." I suppose if you ride with both feet side-by-side (I don't) then the Ghost is better. If you ride in a front-to-back fashion, then the Phantom is better.

[@JUANQUI806]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you . Apollo reply to me saying that the phantom deck is 8 1/2 " wide, so that is not to bad. What code should I use when ordering at apollo to help your channel. You guys are awesome. Thanks

[@franksidders4789]

Can you do a review or explain differences of regular breaks vs hydraulic? I only ever see reviews with hydraulic brakes without explaining why they're better or preferred than regular.

[@mikes96fs]

I have hydraulic brakes on my ebike and regular disk brakes on my Apollo explore. I can tell you that the hydraulic brakes are way nicer! Takes very little force to pull the levers. I usually use 1 or 2 fingers instead of having to grip with my whole hand. Feels much smoother with better stopping power. Next scooter I buy will definitely have hydraulic brakes.

[@JerbFTW]

The difference between regular/cable brakes is mostly in how easy it is to press down. Hydraulic brakes are much easier to control and to press, while cable brakes can be difficult to press down and offer less control on the level of braking

[@raymondayeung]

Mechanical brakes require a bit more regular maintenance as the cable stretches over time and the braking feedback is not as instantaneous compared to hydraulic brakes. However, air may get inside hydraulic brakes which would make it very spongy so some maintenance is required to bleed the brakes from time to time, but the overall performance should be way better. I'm looking to upgrade to Nutt hydraulic brakes on my 10X variant soon so I hope it's a night and day difference.

[@octapc]

Is the display dimmable? One feature I'm surprised it doesn't have is a foldable handlebar, but from my experience servicing Mercane, Kaabo and Inokim, folding handle bar mechanism can be a problem with wobble or jammed if not set right. The worst design is by Kaabo on their Skywalker with a handlebar adjustment screw that is very easy to set wrong and through vibration can cause the handle bars to wobble or if wound out too far can jam the handlebar and stop it from folding, and takes a lot of brute force to unfold. As for the stem folding mechanism, you are totally correct. The Segway and Xiaomi folding mechanism designs are the best from a customers and a servicing point of view. The problem with the Segway Ninebots are the worst nightmare in replacing the tyres.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The display is dimmable. It doesn't get quite as bright as we would like, in the brightest setting. I really like the handlebars and if you don't need the portability, I really think solid is the way to go. -Paul

[@teslasnek]

Is it just me, or does the suspension not look as bouncy as the now discontinued Apollo Pro when they're jumping on it? 🤔

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's not super different, but it is better than the Pro. There is still no damping built in, but the natural drag from the bushings inside the shocks is twice as much as there would be with only one shock per end. They also did a good job making sure that the shocks don't top-out hard when they reach the end of travel. The stem also helps it feel a lot more solid than the Pro. -Paul

[@AdrianButler86]

Yea i figured the 2 instead one will smooth things out more. Are they all a 165 mm standard size like on MTB? If so we can always change em out. When 60v supposed to come out?

[@wzjc4]

My zero9 was stolen few days ago, and I am planning to have a new one And this scooter really get my attention! I love the look of this scooter, will they have a single motor version with this look?

[@MrRustyJames]

Screw that! I say we scour the city and make those responsible, pay a heavy price with pain. Not too much pain and not too little either.

[@CyberOrganic]

Most other scooters have a lot of power but look like they are prototypes that were made in a garage with home depot materials. This scooter looks official. The cables sticking out from the bottom of the stem is the only thing that keeps this scooter from looking completely clean.

[@jedh3854]

PLEASE DO PHANTOM VS VSETT10+ BATTLE 🔥🤩

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I really hope we can do this soon. We don't have a Vsette to ride yet. -Paul

[@JUANQUI806]

Yes , I was waiting for the phantom and now I'm looking at the vsett 10 + due to a bigger deck.

[@Hardycore7]

Pre-ordered mine! Can't wait to get this thing!!!!!

[@kwnstantinos79]

for European customer i cant find somewhere to buy online. do you have any idea?

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

So the Phantom Ludo doesn't beat the Pro Ludo in all the specs? Which of the specs was it inferior and by how much?

[@craighorner7801]

Please review the Varla Eagle One and compare it to the Apollo Phantom. Thanks for all of your great reviews!!!

[@teslasnek]

Does the Phantom Ludo have the same dedicated regen braking lever that the Pro Ludo had?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes! Different lever (up and down rather than side to side) but same idea. It's pretty cool. During hard braking, I found myself using right hand for front brake and left hand for regen. For soft braking I was using all regen, though you don't want to use regen when 100% charged, since the electricity needs somewhere to go. -Paul

[@truthis_truthdoesntmatter]

Can you do a Nanrobot Lightning vs Mercane WW vs Hero X8 vs Apollo Ghost? Can't seem to find many Nanrobot Lightning comparisons outside of to its D6+ sibling.

[@visalsao2136]

This will be my next escooter as soon as I get bored of my new wolf warrior.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Wolf Warrior is a difficult scooter to get bored with! One of my favorites for sure. -Paul

[@fabiopacca5028]

Please help me!! Which one would you buy for yourself: Apollo Phantom, Inokim OXO or Vsett 10+? Please, let me know. Cheers!

[@chrisb.1214]

Chuck, don't forget to wear your helmet of course at the very least, but you should also wear elbow and knee protection because those parts will hurt in a bad fall.

[@mikes96fs]

I would like to see more of the ludicrous edition comparing its speed with other high powered scooters. How is the regenerative braking? Is it a separate button or lever for the regen braking or does it activate when you hit the brakes automatically like the explore?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Regen on the Ludo is controlled by the thumb on left side of handlebar. I always prefer this configuration and prefer good regen brakes over mechanical for normal riding...not for emergency braking.

[@mikes96fs]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thank you so much for replying. I really do appreciate you taking the time. You guys are the best.

[@petrliska1635]

Looks very very nice! Only thing i wouldnnot be so enthusiastic about the folding mechanism.. it is similar to Xiaomi scooters which are known for snapping the folding mechanism..it happened to me during ride. This one looks more durable.

[@InvisiMan2006]

How's the front end holding out? Several reports of new Phantoms with split metal are showing up on Reddit. This is concerning to say the least.

[@707zacbuster]

Can a bar extender fit along with big hex screen? It seems it wouldn't fit or you would need a really long bar extender for your phone and other accessories

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You can slightly adjust the electronics along the cockpit, but there is rather limited space, and the handlebars are shaped like a bicycle's, so dip down in the center where the display is located. The bar extender would need to have arms that are at least 6 in tall to clear the display, and with the handlebars' curve, it might be difficult to attach around the HEX display. Hope this helps a bit! -Trina

[@e-scooterguy]

Seems strange the ghost got deck lighting but no high mounted light and indicators and the phantom the opposite! I think Apollo should be looking at lighting being a standard across all models, so all have deck lighting, all have a central break light at the back and indicators on the 4 corners of the deck (or back of deck and on handlebars for front) and a high mounted light. And implement the same style folding mechanism. Safety should be standard not something you have to pay extra for 👍🏻

[@Quepasaaqui718]

May can’t come soon enough 😬

[@pqfire0950]

How reliable would this thing be in light/heavy rain with the ip54 rating? It rains alot here so yeah.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Light rain you should have no issues

[@sukhrajaujla8678]

will the 60v have similar speed and acceleration as the ludo

[@rarity2006]

I've narrowed my future scooter down to the Apollo or the Vsett 10+ any suggestions

[@jasonbadler]

Same. I’m leaning more towards the Vsett +10. But I can’t seem to find any in stock.

[@monkeypolice3048]

It's not complete the handle bar stand not adjustable. Will it come adjustable?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Most high performance scooters don't have adjustable handlebars. Some have folding handlebars, but being able to make the stem taller or shorter might cause stability issues and/or make noises/rattling at higher speeds. -Trina

[@ramonb3828]

does it come with folding handle

[@maxtomilo8637]

Can't wait

[@esterasturdivant7956]

Did the phantom get more range than the mantis pro???. Please spoil it because I'm thinking about buying either this scoot or mantis pro

[@drekex6767]

Sure I can spoil, the mantis goes about 1km longer 46km vs 47km but the phantom goes about 3km faster in top speed. Another benefit is the waterproof rating, which means the phantom can still carry you through light/medium rain and puddles while the mantis doesn’t have a rating (but it might be water resistant to some degree). So in specs, they are fairly close. By paying more, you get prenium features like the uncommon 1000 lumen top light instead of it being placed at the bottom like many scooters, a unique display unlike the circular one you see on tons of scooters, a reinforced stem and probably a bit more. It all depends if you want to pay more for that or get the mantis

[@esterasturdivant7956]

@@drekex6767 wait how do you know. Are you on the ESG team???

[@drekex6767]

@@esterasturdivant7956 nah I checked their web review for the stats and what I gathered from the apollo scooter channel. Though it would be fun to be part of their team

[@donl3130]

The Kaabo Mantis base gets 46 k and the pro 54, according to ESG. The Phantom gets 40 k (according to Apollo). All driven in high mode. Unless they drove the Mantis more economically than the Phantom? Driven economically you might get much more. 65 k at 25 k/h for the pro and the Phantom...

[@drekex6767]

@@donl3130 the ludicrous has 47km range and 70km speed which makes it overall better in stats than both of them. However, the price for it makes it not worth it compared to current scooters. For their range test I don’t think they top speed, if I remember they take the same path and ride it as a average user would until it runs out of juice

[@daboxer181]

Question for ESG . Pre ordered phantom , first e scooter . The power on the non ludo phantom is still stupid fast and acceptation exilerating right? I can't see needing more , 40-60km an hour is stupid fast already .

[@prepsandpolitics1429]

I purchased the 52V Apollo Pro last year; which I feel is still a great scooter. My top speed going to work average about 25MPH or 40KPH in turbo mode only. I turn on the dual motors for steep hill climbing. My group ride speed is close to 17MPH or 27KPH. 40-60KPH is plenty fast.

[@daboxer181]

@@prepsandpolitics1429 and the acceleration is thrilling ? I'm assuming it is .

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Still plenty fast. The 52V will spin the front tire on take-off :-) -Paul

[@jbrowne878]

Great job apollo

[@metallurgico]

This is the only thing I'd like to replace my G30 Max with

[@markaprill6501]

You just love to compliment huge packages.

[@MrRustyJames]

I keep watching this over and over, because DV won't post any new videos. :(

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That's why this video has so many views!

[@alricksimon9970]

Just concerned about the ip54 What exposure to rain can the phantom handle ?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Light rain. Just don't ride through water deeper than your axles. And keep your rear foot on the footrest through deep puddles, so the water doesn't come through the hand-hold and get your socks wet (as Chuck found out). -Paul

[@alricksimon9970]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks a lot !

[@andriispeaks5160]

Nice video, I love you channel ! i just got vsett 10 + R, it would be interesting to compare them

[@denisidrizovic9165]

where did you get it from ? how long was the shipping ?

[@andriispeaks5160]

@@denisidrizovic9165 very good big scooter ! From RevRides

[@denisidrizovic9165]

@@andriispeaks5160 i mean how long did you wait to get it ?

[@andriispeaks5160]

@@denisidrizovic9165 6 weeks sometime like this

[@Swedenownsall90]

Does this ship to the EU if I order it on their website?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I know they are working on European distribution. I'd recommend reaching out to them to be sure. -Paul

[@MrNeoAleus]

Can you compare this to the dualtron? Specifically dualtron thunder?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The Thunder is a much heavier (almost 50% heavier), faster and more expensive scooter. I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Phantom. The Phantom is much closer to the Eagle Pro. We should have some great video content on Dualtrons coming up in the next couple months.

[@lightzpeed4458]

If you ever wanted to send a Phantom my way so I can do a review for it, that would be awesome. and keep it

[@X82oo781]

Ramier is the boy

[@markkilbride8854]

Is it a good ride for a taller rider 👍

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes. Ramier is over 6' tall and likes it. -Paul

[@almodz_3335]

Hey guys need some help on which scooter to decide with I'm looking to purchase the Mantis pro or the Mantis pro se if anyone can help me let me know which is the better I will really appreciate it thank you love your channel love your videos

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We haven't ridden or tested the SE, but it appears at first glance to be a Pro with a smaller battery. Either one will be a good scooter, as long as it comes from a source that will stand behind it!

[@sebastian842]

In my municipality of Barrie Ontario the only legal e-scooter is 500W motor max & max speed of 24km/h. How would I be able to ride this thing here without getting pulled over by the cops every day?

[@semrocc]

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about the 500W motor limit as long as you keep your speed in check with jurisdictional guidelines. The motor limit really shows how little government knows about this category of vehicle - could you imagine that they would outlaw a Mustang GT because you are running a 5.0L engine instead of a 4 cylinder, even though you are staying within the speed limit. I also highly doubt the cops would know the difference between a 500W and a 1200W motor :)

[@jp8479]

My town has the same limit but I think that if you ride at the speed limit we should be fine. I see the 500W limit imposed by MTO being highly important to control e-scooter ride share services.

[@genarotabbu466]

I have purchased the Phantom. My question is, can I change my mechanical brakes to Hydraulic brakes?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes. I don't know if they offer a kit for it yet, but it can definitely be done. The mechanical brakes are really really good though. We have a Ludicrous prototype Phantom with mechanical discs and they feel great. I'm with you though. Ultimately, I'd probably upgrade too. -Paul

[@JohnSmith-mt3kp]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hi Paul, I have searched through a lot of the comments to find the subject of the so called Phantom Ludo. Is this different from the Pro Ludo? If so, when will there be a Phantom Ludo video be uploaded please? I ask because I want to buy a 60v version of the Apollo Phantom, or the 60 Apollo Pro, but coming from England, I can't seem to find a single store that sells the 60v in the UK. Thank you for your time. Great videos.

[@waynepavy5927]

12 or 13" wheels would greatly improve all round safety but especially when inevitably you smash a pothole that was deeper than expected. Why only 10"?

[@parskyyyy]

A stem neck that doesn't snap would improve safety massively aswell.

[@smudge1619]

@@parskyyyy Where are you seeing version 2s snapping? Apollo is upgrading V1s for free.

[@Nick-Nasty]

Could you shut the trunk? It looked like it might not close.

[@mashiachadonai]

Is says it's an IP54. Do you think you can ride it in the rain and drive it in the snow? It's not so clear what these IP really mean and imply. Anyone?!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Should be okay in light rain!