What is Total Depravity? | Apologia Radio Highlight w/ Jeff Durbin

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[@jmitch9269]

I asked one of the pastors at the church I was attending why they only preach a feel good message on how to have a better life and never a message on sin and repentance. He told me “that doesn’t get people in the door”. 😩. I no longer attend that “church”.

[@Terrylb285]

Good for you

[@michaelparker6763]

repenting of sins doesn't save a person. Believing on Christ for salvation saves.

[@stoneyq4259]

​@@michaelparker6763what did Jesus and john the baptist always go around saying? "Repent and believe for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"

[@ellenpereira9521]

This is such a good topic! Thanks for discussing it 😄

[@smackerage]

I lean 5 point, but I wrestle with Matt 22 Marriage feast. I think scripture talks about both views, but I lean Calvinist because to me that puts God higher in my walk.

[@lainie4344]

“That puts God higher in MY walk” could it be possible that Calvinist put God in a box and decide that their box is the highest? It would make more sense to not put God in a box and then praise Him for who He is because no matter what He is the highest. Personally Calvinism limits God more than you realize because you say “He will not save all people” even though He says He wants to. Calvinism seems to contradict Gods desires by re interpreting simple words like ALL or WHOSOEVER or I DESIRE NO ONE. Hopefully this makes sense.

[@Freedom89657]

@@lainie4344 Paul actually addresses the question of "so you're saying some people have no choice but Hell?" in Romans 9: "So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it. 17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”[j] 18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen. 19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” 20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction."

[@ChristinaBiasca]

Thats because God says that his word is living and powerful able to pierce the heart. His word is enough to stir up people. He doesn't have to decree individuals to get saved in order to have them get saved. All God had to do was to give them ability to hear his word, which is effective and active! His world is enough. He is enough.

[@noybiznatch]

You should lean into the Bible not a systematic doctrine. Only the P in Tulip could potentially be considered biblical.

[@maskofsorrow]

Kevin Thompson from Beyond Fundamentals blows this Calvinist idea of Total Depravity out the window, purely with Scripture. I would urge you all to pay attention to him.

[@unprofitableservantsministry]

So God is punishing people who could not repent or respond positively to Him unless He gives them the ability to do so, because total depravity ie: total inability insist that they are unable to believe apart from God granting them regeneration?

[@justincottrell6928]

@unprofitableservantministry That's exactly what it means, God punishes people for doing the very thing he designed them to do from the very beginning of time and they had no choice over the matter so they had no opportunity to change. Calvinists love to support their claim on this with the whole Romans 9:20 passage but in order to do that you have to read Romans 9:20 through a John Calvin lense.

[@Nathan-mf2yz]

I think many Arminians misunderstand total depravity/radical corruption/moral inability. It’s not that we can’t choose God so much as it is that we won’t. We all have free will. When I sin, the Bible says God didn’t force me to sin or tempt me. I chose in my freedom to sin. In fact, naturally all of us hate God because we want to live our own lives and submit to our own authority, not God’s. God still calls all people to repent and all will be held accountable on judgment day, because all of us know enough to know that we live in sin and yet we love it and prefer it over God (for the man who is still dead in sin). Total depravity also doesn’t mean we are as bad as we possibly can be, but that every part of the human has been affected by the fall in such a way where we no longer ever desire or seek God but live in rebellion against Him. Everything we do is sin (Isaiah 61:6, Romans 3). Through these truths, we are commanded to preach the gospel to the nations and make disciples as well as pray for the lost because these are the means God uses to save sinners, and in my opinion they don’t contradict the doctrine of total depravity but they fit together. No one who is a nonbeliever wants to be saved, some nonbelievers seek false gods like in the case of Islam and Hinduism, but they don’t seek the truth as much as they seek the benefits of what they perceive to be God. But it’s our responsibility to share the Word of God so that many could be saved

[@kevinjackson2361]

Yeah, so I guess God makes you repent and God causes you to call on the name of the Lord so you will be saved. Humm! doesn't sound like you have any choice, oh that's right, irresistible grace..ha you don't have a choice to receive or reject the message, we are pre programmed robots, some created from the foundation of the world to go to heaven most to Hell as Jesus said, Broad is the way that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to life, and there are few who find it...wait!!! to find something you have to be looking for it, but by Calvinist theology the saved can't miss it because the saved were meant to find it..what a heresy.

[@robbieg.3462]

@@kevinjackson2361then you are calling the Apostle Paul a heretic who eloquently laid out this reality in Romans 9. Has the potter no right over the clay?

[@kevinjackson2361]

​​@@robbieg.3462the reality is that God can choose to save who He wants to save, that's what chapter 9 is about, The Jews were the original chosen people, now God , through the cross has made salvation available to ALL, that call on the name of the Lord

[@Terrylb285]

The human will is in bondage of the sinful nature. Self comes first . Therefore it is not free. But inclined towards evil. Praise be to my Lord who made me alive.

[@salvadorreyes1337]

Layton Flowers is really shaking the nest at apologia.

[@ALavaPenguin]

This is a very difficult Professor Layton puzzle for them.

[@smackerage]

Awaiting James White debate with him in March over John 6

[@inShapeJamesSherman]

Not rlly they’ve been doing this for years… leighton flowers has too.

[@stuffipost137]

Dunno. Do you think he k ows how to spell his name?

[@shelleythomas1046]

I too am guilty of this but we should not just be shooting off scriptures sentences with one or two but scriptures before and after for context and clarity.

[@papoo9517]

What is the relationship of the Catholic Church to St. Augustine, seeing he was, arguably, the originator of Total Depravity and eventually Calvinism?

[@AdamsTaiwan]

Great video and I have added it to my "man" topic notes. One thing I would like to hear discussed more and the video is so close is, how even if man had ability and free will what good would it do? What use is free will and ability for the murder in his condemned state? Can he say to the judge, "I will now do good, set me free" or "I accept you"? Would like to hear your thoughts on this.

[@Tony.Ferguson]

@3:46 "We are talking about the nature of man in the fall, that's the main issue...What is the nature of man in the fall?" How is this accurately discussed without looking at what God recorded in Genesis which clearly shows the effects of the fall? The nature of man in the fall according to Gen 3:22 is that man became "like God" knowing BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. It doesn't say that they knew only evil... Fallen man is both a marred image bearer of God and also an image bearer of Adam (Gen 5:1-3). What does this look like? Well, we ought not speculate, we should look at what the Bible says about Adam and Eve after the fall. That is certainly a better biblical example of being spiritually dead than typologies taken from Lazarus. Genesis 3 is most likely what the Apostle Paul has in mind as he spoke of those who are dead in sins and trespasses. We see this blended knowledge of both good and evil in man's response to God in his fallen condition: Gen 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings." - Fallen man, dead in sin has an internal knowledge of his own shame. That's why unregenerate men try to do good stuff to try to cover themselves. (BTW - Corpses are not concerned that they are naked, nor do they exert effort to cover their nakedness through good deeds.) Gen 3:8 "And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden." - Fallen man, dead in sin has enough capacity to recognize God's presence and existence enough to exert effort to hide from God, now that they are alienated in their minds by wicked works. (BTW - Corpses can't exert effort to try and hide.) So I must clearly be pelagian that thinks that fallen man chases after God... Nope. 😀 Adam didn't pursue God, God initiated and pursued Adam as we see in the next verse: Gen 3:9 "Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?" - Why would God speak to a totally depraved spiritually dead man? Doesn't He know Adam has no capacity to respond to God? - Maybe this is where you que the Calvinist to say that God must have regenerated Adam so that Adam could have responded to God's gracious call? Notice also that God doesn't respond with a deterministic mandate for Adam to "Get over here right now" But He presents an invitation for Adam to respond to, and graciously makes inquiry regarding his wicked works, which have alienated him from God. My point? To portray man "so dead" that without pre-faith regeneration he can't respond to the means of the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8) and the life-changing power of the Gospel elevates man's fallen condition above the power of the Spirit of God and above the power of the Word of God.

[@noybiznatch]

Very good points, did you write this yourself or is it content taken from a particular website?

[@aloe83]

10:06 - Who hardens their hearts ?

[@AdamsTaiwan]

Both are mentioned in the Bible. Ex. 8:32 Pharaoh hardened his heart. Ex. 9:12 The LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart I believe, from scripture, that the "means" which the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart was "kindness". When the plague stopped, that is when His heart was hardened. See Rom. 2:4-5 ...kindness of God.... but because of your stubBORNness and unrepentant heart....

[@Brenda-qo4ko]

What Zach was discussing there is the hardness of the natural man's heart due to their sin nature.We are all born with a hard heart towards God and spiritual things.

[@aloe83]

@@Brenda-qo4ko according to Calvinism, didn’t God ordain it to be that way ?

[@Brenda-qo4ko]

@@aloe83 Yes...God ordained that Adam and Eve would disobey him thus causing mankind to have a sin nature.

[@aloe83]

@@Brenda-qo4ko so In the end some people go to hell because of sin that they were ordained to commit and somehow that’s their fault ?

[@sleepe361]

This is what most people i think don't know or believe as if we can save ourselves or that good morals would save us or that God looks at us as good people in favor.

[@bookchapterverse6830]

9:34 begins a good discussion about what "man wants to do" in reference to Ephesians 4. Right off the bat, Zach contradicts himself by saying that man "can not see" and is "ignorant" with the answer being "their hardness of heart." He then says because of this, "they won't see" and "they refuse to see." Won't means "will not," therefore what Zach infers after saying that man is "ignorant," is that man does know and it is not in his will. He also says that man is "ignorant," yet he "refuses" that of which is is supposedly ignorant. This is not possible. Zach elaborates this contradiction further by quoting Jesus to say "you don't want to come to me." That doesn't infer ignorance by any means. This also shoots down the false notion that total depravity is in Scripture since Jesus says that a person can "not want to come."

[@Mike65809]

Paul said in his flesh dwelt no good thing. Yet in his mind he wanted to serve the Lord. The context is his life under the Mosaic Law (see logical flow of Romans 7). So man is not totally depraved. He just is drawn to sin and the Law makes it worse.

[@bookchapterverse6830]

12:35 Zach reads John 3:19. Notice how he reads the verse and then reads "what's our natural inclination? To love darkness." That's not what the verse says, infers, or implicates. He says that it says "we don't want our works to come to light or to be exposed...why? Because they're evil. And why are they evil? Because of the problem of sin." This is not what that verse says. Remember, the beginning of this video rests on the premise that man is ignorant of God. Ignorance of God is ignorance of sin and evil. Zach just said that this verse says that man knows the things he loves are dark and evil and sinful...yet he is also supposed to be ignorant of such. This is a mess!

[@Lee-xn8by]

I have an honest question, why does God blind those who are already blind?

[@tylerbuckner3750]

What does that even mean?

[@aletheia8054]

So they won’t see certain things .

[@Coronaboii88]

God doesn’t blind those who are already blind. In the scriptures, the devil is the one who keeps them blind.

[@aletheia8054]

@@Coronaboii88 The Bible says God blinded Israel. Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

[@Coronaboii88]

@@aletheia8054 Got it. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@bookchapterverse6830]

10:30 begins one of the landmark passages for calvinists as well as one of the most misconstrued and eisegeted passages by those who are reformed. Note that they both presume the conflation that natural man and spiritual man reference unregenerated and regenerated man, respectively. This is dead wrong and not a trap to find oneself in. Paul in 1 Corinthians 2 tells us that the Spirit came to him to give him what to say (v 4) and that "we" (meaning those who received the gift of the Spirit to take to all the nations under heaven as part of the commission, Acts 2, and Paul's commission) had revelation given to them (v. 10, 12). The natural man (one who hadn't received the gift of the Spirit to take revelation to others) does not accept such (v 14) without the Spirit gifting this. However, Paul gives this to the "natural man" by speaking in fleshly terms (3: 1-4). Don't think this is to what this is referring? Paul goes on to clarify that this is how God intended for the Corinthians to receive this information in 3: 5 and following. He is saying, through the Holy Spirit, that God gave spiritual men from the Spirit to teach natural men, who had not the gift of the Spirit, to build His "building" (v 9) and lay a foundation (v 10). Don't fall for what is being written into Scripture here.

[@kevinjackson2361]

Does God make me repent, and call on the name of the Lord? am I programmed to do this by God? That's what Calvinism would have you believe, my repentance means nothing if not from my heart towards God. Proverbs 8:17 I love those that love Me, And those that diligently seek Me will find Me.

[@stoneyq4259]

You only seek him because you are drawn by the father "no man can come to me..." type that into your bible app and read what it says in john

[@anandkrishnamoorthy9440]

Yes unless by an external force, this is why Jesus when teaching Nicodemus about being born again says unless by the Water and the Spirit, God is the One who aids us as the Vine aided the cupbearer who was humble to take the aid and depend. Abidance. "If you abide in me you will bear fruit" ability is given by God. Yes he speaks of those who cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God because they are apirotually discerned, now those who are discerned are those who already know, we can discern and question or we can be prideful to say we already know, but since even creation is immeasurable how much more God, so we keep on asking Him for love Wisdom because He sees every possibility direction and thought and intent and result nadi consequence. That's why as the brother also gave wisdom of the bad tree the result is bad fruit. But since we were brought from nothing through the Word of God He does good through our evil. What you meant for evil Gof used for good. "

[@donhaddix3770]

What is Provisionism? The terms Provisionism and Provisionist are new by the standards of Christian theology. These labels have only been formally defined and used in the past few years. In broad terms, a Provisionist-someone who holds to Provisionism-holds a generally Arminian view of free will and salvation, with notable differences such as positive belief in eternal security. The main gist of Provisionism is the idea that the gospel is the Word of God, which is sufficient in itself, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to enable a response in all who hear God’s appeal to be reconciled to Him (John 6:63; Hebrews 4:12). The clearest differences between Provisionist doctrine and classical Reformed theology are seen in the concepts of total depravity and limited atonement. The doctrine of total depravity suggests all people are inherently sinful, such that they could not even want to be saved without a direct, predestined act of God. Provisionism counters that all people are sinful and responsible for their sin, but they are also responsible for answering God’s universal call for men to be saved (Titus 2:11). Limited atonement is a doctrine teaching that Christ only died for those God had designated as the elect. A Provisionist would reject this, saying that the Bible teaches that Christ died for all people (1 John 2:2), which is why God promises to save any who come to Him in faith (Romans 10:11-13; Revelation 22:17). The Provisionist holds that Christ genuinely desires all of humanity to be saved (Luke 5:32; 19:10; 1 Timothy 2:4-6; ). In effect, this means a Provisionist would also reject other Reformed doctrines such as irresistible grace. The main use of the term Provisionism comes from the writings of theologian Leighton Flowers. The term is also meant to describe the general approach to salvation held by most Southern and Independent Baptists. So far as Reformed doctrine is concerned, this means narrow disagreement on the subjects of total depravity and limited atonement, as well as the exact meaning of words like predestined and elect. Similar to the TULIP in Calvinism, Provisionism can be summarized with the acrostic PROVIDE Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation. Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms. Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood. Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith. Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit. Eternal security: For all true believers.

[@donhaddix3770]

I. Total Inability By total inability Calvin meant that a lost sinner cannot come to Jesus Christ and trust Him as Saviour, unless he is foreordained to come to Christ. By total inability he meant that no man has the ability to come to Christ. And unless God overpowers him and gives him that ability, he will never come to Christ The Bible teaches total depravity, and I believe in total depravity. But that simply means that there is nothing good in man to earn or deserve salvation. The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." A preacher brought a wonderful sermon on the depravity of the human heart. And when he finished his message, someone came to him and said," I want you to know I can't swallow that depraved heart that you preached about." The preacher smiled and said, "You don't have to swallow it. It's already in you!" While the Bible teaches the depravity of the human race, it nowhere teaches total inability. The Bible never hints that people are lost because they have no ability to come to Christ. The language of Jesus was, "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life" (John 5:40). Notice, it is not a matter of whether or not you can come to Christ; it is a matter of whether or not you will come to Christ. Jesus looked over Jerusalem and wept and said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem . . .how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt. 23:37). Here again notice, He did not say, "How often would I have gathered you together, but you could not." No. He said, "Ye would not!" It was not a matter of whether they could; it was a matter of whether they would. Revelation 22:17, the last invitation in the Bible, says, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely ." If it is true that no person has the ability to come to Christ, then why would Jesus say in John 5:40, "Ye will not come to me." why didn't He simply say, "You cannot come to me."? The only thing that stands between the sinner and salvation is the sinner's will. God made every man a free moral agent. And God never burglarises the human will. D. L. Moody addressed a large group of sceptics. He said ,"I want to talk about the word believe, the word receive, and the word take." When Mr. Moody had finished his sermon, he asked, "Now who will come and take Christ as Saviour?" One man stood and said, "I can't." Mr. Moody wept and said, "Don't say, 'I can't.' Say, 'I won't!'" And the man said, "Then, I won't!" But another man said, "I will!" Then another said, "I will!" And another said , "I will!" Until scores came to trust Christ as Saviour. Some Calvinists use John 6:44 in an effort to prove total inability. Here the Bible says, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him...."But the Bible makes it plain in John 12:32 that Christ will draw all men unto Himself. Here the Bible says, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." All men are drawn to Christ, but not all men will trust Christ as Saviour. Every man will make his own decision to trust Christ or to reject Him. The Bible makes it clear that all men have light. John 1:9 says, "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Romans 1:19,20 indicates that every sinner has been called through the creation about him. And Romans 2:11-16 indicates that sinners are called through their conscience, even when they have not heard the Word of God. So in the final analysis, men go to Hell, not because of their inability to come to Christ, but because they will not come to Christ-"Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." The teaching that men, women and children are totally unable to come to Christ and trust Him as Saviour is not a scriptural doctrine. The language itself is not scriptural.

[@st.christopher1155]

I agree with you. Calvinists are totally depraved. So are their false doctrines. ✝️😇

[@arudiga]

Agreed. The difference between a Calvinist and a Jehovah Witness is a knock on the door. ☦️

[@Tom-j4v7f]

What is God doing in the mind of the Arminian as they hear biblical proofs of Total Inability and continue to disagree with the Calvinist interpretation?

[@TheGreaser9273]

It’s interesting that he realizes what’s at stake - preaching false doctrine. That’s why I stake my potential salvation on a man in the 16th century who was going off another man in the 5th century. 😮

[@stoneyq4259]

They exclusively quoted the bible

[@TheGreaser9273]

@@stoneyq4259 You mean like "Sola Scriptura' that kind of quote. What verse is that quoted from again?

[@Coronaboii88]

Question, what would y’all say about Judas? Jesus chose the 12 and already knew that He would be betrayed by Judas so would that fall into “predestination?” Everything was planned, correct? Or how about Peter? Jesus knew that he would be denied by him three times but would eventually feed His sheep. We can’t forget that God is sovereign and “free will” is technically not biblical. These are just some things that my mind is currently tackling. What y’all think?

[@lainie4344]

There’s a difference between the “predestination” if fulfilled prophecy and predestination of salvation. Judas was not predestined to hell. Judas was predestined to betray Jesus. When was he predestined? We don’t know. Could have been 3 months before he met Jesus or it could have been since birth. Scripture isn’t clear. But what I do know is that Judas was born to seek after God like all of us (acts 17:26-27) but he chose to become a thief and God probably predestined him because he knew Judas didn’t want Jesus for Jesus but wanted Him for status or maybe the money he stole.

[@Coronaboii88]

@@lainie4344 kinda makes sense. Thank you 🙏🏽 I’ll continue to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance.

[@melissabrown3976]

​@@lainie4344God is sovereign over all things. Where does it say in the Bible that God makes decisions based on our future decisions? Eph 1:4 states clearly that God chooses us to be His before the foundation of the world.

[@AndreVieiraguitarist]

So true! Amen!

[@arudiga]

The difference between a Jehovah Witness and a Calvinist is a knock on your door.

[@Psychosis1179]

The difference is Jehovah witnesses believe that everything depends on their actions, which is Pelagianism. Calvinism is the direct opposite. You people just pop up every once in a while and you don’t know the difference.

[@arudiga]

@@Psychosis1179 there is no difference between them. Both are just cults. Ever even listen to James White and Durbin and how they literally add words and change the meaning of passages to feed their own narcissism? Calvinism is nihilism. Jehovah Witness is also nihilism.

[@Psychosis1179]

@@arudiga using the word nihilism to describe Jehovah witnesses and Calvinists is less than appropriate. Neither which adequately define either one. Again, relying on yourself to be saved, as compared to, relying on God alone to be saved, are two different ballparks.

[@arudiga]

@@Psychosis1179 you seem to not understand the main tenets of either cult.

[@Psychosis1179]

@@arudiga both doctrines are the complete opposite of one another. You’re either being ignorant on purpose, or your IQ is so dense that you can’t comprehend words.

[@yourhappyuncle6055]

Total depravity is believe that you are John Calvin having that funny beard and a classic of a wannabe: the tattoos, the beer and probably a cigar too lol

[@bookchapterverse6830]

11:30 So man, according to the principles laid at the beginning of this video, is "ignorant" and "cannot see" God...no ability to come to Him...has a "self will" in which man can choose something and "chooses what he desires." This is bonkers in its self-contradiction.

[@stoneyq4259]

This is 100% scriptural and if you cant see it maybe its because "the carnal mind cannot discern spiritual truths"

[@bookchapterverse6830]

@@stoneyq4259 that doesn't resolve the contradiction of this video. You're welcome to try, seeing that you have at least read the comparison of "spiritual" and "carnal," and even if you seem not to understand that passage.

[@griffisjm]

Dear Jeff. If you actually believe this, or any of you guys for that matter, that some people will not respond because God wont allow them the ability to respond, and you either have kids, or continue as Pro-Life, then you are absolute monsters!! To knowingly bring someone into this world with the understanding they they are probably going to hell and there is nothing you or they can do about it, from the day they came out of the womb they were inable to do different and God doesnt love them enough to offer a chance to them, is the most sickening selfish horrible thing you can do. What a horrible anti-Christian doctrine.

[@iulia1690]

He îs called" Neuitatul " the Unforgotten...after dif social experiments like atheism

[@micahlantz905]

What!?

[@iulia1690]

@@micahlantz905 they tryed to torture Iisus out of us, see Experimentul Pitești. But He îs in You, your consciouns.

[@lainie4344]

Acts 17:26-27. We were born to seek after God. He is not far from any of us. This scripture proves opposite or total depravity. What do they do with verses like this where they contradict their beliefs?

[@Tony.Ferguson]

Great point sis!

[@RedeemedInChrist96]

Those verses are talking about believers.....

[@Tony.Ferguson]

@@RedeemedInChrist96 no those verses are spoken to idolatrous philosophers on Mars Hill

[@lainie4344]

@@Tony.Ferguson👍

[@stuffipost137]

The same is true in reverse. Theology isn't so simple.

[@AmberDennis001]

Religion is confusing. I didn’t have time to watch the whole thing but if I die and go to hell who is at fault?

[@kevinjackson2361]

According to Calvinism it's God's fault, you were not one of the elect..you were dammed from before the foundation of the world. Which is heresy..Proverbs 8:17 I love those that love Me and those that diligently seek Me will find Me.

[@jimmattson8008]

Explain God's favor in Abraham, Moses and Lot and Noah? There are others of course.

[@seanboden7870]

The problem is you said man has no free will and they only do that which they desire. If man has no free will then who gave them the will. Free will is not a superpower. What those who are not Calvinist or Reformed are saying which misunderstood a lot by Calvinist is man does not save themselves, but they able to respond to the call of Gospel when they hear it. It not man saving themselves but man responding to the gospel in which God saves them. God has no obligation to save man but chooses to save man through the respond to the gospel.

[@tylerbuckner3750]

Man’s Will is never described by Scripture as “free”. Actually, quite the opposite. Regeneration precedes faith. That means, God brings the dead heart and will to life (frees it from slavery to sin), grants the gift of faith, THEN one is able to respond positively to the Gospel with repentance (also described by Scripture as a gift). Every aspect of Salvation is initiated by God. Your “free will” never would or could choose God. Jesus and Paul both explicitly say “no man is able”.

[@aletheia8054]

Psalms 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

[@barrettcarl3009]

Free will becomes a "super power of the self" when Christians try and say man chooses God before being given a new heart and that he's given the new heart after choosing God and that God only chooses based on foreknowledge of man choosing Him for salvation which isn't biblical...

[@Freedom89657]

"So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it. 17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”[j] 18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen. 19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” 20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction."

[@arudiga]

@tylerbuckner3750 ​​⁠ 1 Corinth 10:13, Peter 2 3:9, Galatians 5:13, John 7:17, Joshua 24:15, Mark 8:34, Procerbs 16:9, Revelations 3:20, Romans 13:2….and more. So much free will in scripture you must have just overlooked it☦️

[@EskimoClay1]

Calvinism is for dorks.

[@bryanpratt5850]

Are some of you anti-calvinists LDS?

[@ChristinaBiasca]

I am not anti calvinist. I am pro rightly dividing God's holy word. For sure not LDS or in any cult. I personally see the Bible saying its Living and Powerful and able to pierce the heart. God didn't need to decree that we get saved in order to get us saved, his word was effectual and enough to do that. However because of the hardness of some mens hearts some seeds fall on rocky soil and get choked out. God paints the picture perfectly all through his word of his world being enough to raise the dead to life. Look at Ezekiel's dry bones.... the word of God woke up the dry bones. God used Ezekiel to prophesy that word. Everyone believes it's God who has to make that first call, we don't believe anyone can come to God on their own. We simply believe God in his wisdom and power allows free will. We see this free will played out through the Bible over and over and over again. The wedding feast. No guests are preselected to come, and some even when they heart the invitation decided not to come. Again showing God's sovereign choice to allow free will, but his loving kindness to give us the invitation.n

[@bryanpratt5850]

@@ChristinaBiasca so, you do not accept the term anti-Calvinist. Do you accept the term Arminian? Are there any of the five points of the remonstrance that you disagree with? What would you say are the main disagreements that you have with Jacobus Arminius? Where do you disagree with Pelagius? Have you studied much on their beliefs?

[@ChristinaBiasca]

To be anti Calvinist I believe I would have to be against calvinist. I am against the calvinist doctrine yes. I however don't dislike calvinists. I believe they are brothers and sisters in Christ. I am also against Arminian doctrine. I am about as Pelagius as you are gnostic. Irenaeus called out the gnostic doctrine of saying God doesn't give us free will in his book Against Heresies. If you want to read it it was book 4 chapter 37, and again in chapter 39. If he felt like it was important enough to correct others on I believe we should too. He was not taught this doctrine by Polycarp, or from John the Apostle and felt the need to correct it. Have you even studied much on the gnostic heretical beliefs? @@bryanpratt5850

[@bryanpratt5850]

@@ChristinaBiasca i thought it would help to copy and paste from chat GPT for easy reference: The "Five Points of the Remonstrance" refer to the theological positions and beliefs of the Arminian party within Dutch Reformed churches during the early 17th century. These points were presented in a document known as the "Remonstrance of 1610." The Five Points of the Remonstrance are in opposition to the Five Points of Calvinism, which were formulated in response to the Remonstrance. The Five Points of the Remonstrance are: 1. Conditional Election: Arminians believed that God's election of individuals for salvation was based on His foreknowledge of their faith and acceptance of the Gospel. 2. Unlimited Atonement: Arminians argued that Christ's atonement was made available to all people and not limited to a select group. 3. Total Depravity: Arminians did not believe in the concept of "irresistible grace" and contended that humans still had free will and the ability to resist God's grace, despite their fallen nature. 4. Resistible Grace: Arminians held that God's grace could be resisted by individuals, allowing them to choose to accept or reject salvation. 5. Conditional Perseverance: Arminians believed that true believers could lose their salvation if they turned away from God or renounced their faith. These Five Points of the Remonstrance were at the heart of a theological dispute and led to the Synod of Dort in 1618-1619, where the opposing Calvinist perspective, as outlined in the Canons of Dort, was officially affirmed. This conflict between Arminianism and Calvinism is often summarized in the "Five Points of Calvinism," commonly known by the acronym TULIP.

[@bryanpratt5850]

@@ChristinaBiasca also, some information on Pelagius for helpful reference: Pelagius was a British monk and theologian who lived during the late 4th and early 5th centuries. He is best known for his theological views, which were in opposition to some of the key doctrines of mainstream Christianity, particularly those related to original sin, predestination, and human free will. Pelagius is most famous for advocating a form of theological belief known as Pelagianism. Key elements of Pelagianism include: 1. Denial of Original Sin: Pelagius rejected the idea that all humans inherit the sin of Adam and Eve, asserting that people are born morally neutral and do not have a sinful nature. 2. Emphasis on Free Will: Pelagius emphasized human free will and believed that individuals have the ability to choose between good and evil without any predestined divine influence. 3. Salvation through Moral Effort: Pelagius argued that salvation was achieved through human effort and good works, rather than solely relying on divine grace. Pelagianism was widely considered heretical by the early Christian church, and it led to significant theological controversies. The Council of Carthage in 418 and the Council of Ephesus in 431 both condemned Pelagianism as heresy. Augustine of Hippo, one of the most influential theologians in the early Christian church, was a prominent opponent of Pelagius, and their theological debates played a significant role in shaping Christian doctrine regarding original sin, predestination, and grace. As a result of these theological disputes, Pelagius' views were largely rejected by the mainstream Christian tradition, and his teachings had limited lasting influence.

[@Terrylb285]

In the days of Noah man reached total depravity. God shortened the life span afterwards. In genesis the ground was cursed because of Adams sin . Notice genesis 8:21 I will never again curse the ground because of humankind , even though the inclinations of their minds is evil from childhood on.

[@RangerRyke]

Total depravity and total inability would make our nature not our own personal fault, therefore we wouldn’t deserve punishment. And couldn’t even be expected to accept the gospel on our own accord, AKA Calvinism.

[@foxbro789]

This is not true. We have total inability because we sinned and it’s our nature. Men love darkness and no one seeks after God. All the bad in us is our fault, all the good is Gods fault

[@RangerRyke]

@@foxbro789 if we are born totally depraved it wouldn’t matter if sin came from an earlier person because total depravity means that we as individuals would be incapable of righteousness.

[@caseycockerham3925]

​@alexbleyker5816 Apart from Christ, we are incapable of righteousness. As far as "earlier " persons go... we (mankind) are comprehended through Adam and Eve. This includes being made in the image of God and being born into sin. Our nature was irrevocably transformed through original sin. The reason we inherent that sin nature is because we're the children of Adam. One aspect of what it means to be comprehended in Adam would be to say that if we had of been in the garden instead of Adam we still would of chosen as he did. Think of mankind this way. If someone commits a crime and is thrown in prison with no way to achieve restitution even though their sentence demands it, does that absolve them of their guilt or penalty? Of course not. Just because they're not able to pay anything back for their crimes doesn't mean they're not responsible or no longer have to suffer the consequence of their actions

[@Navarrator10]

We would still choose to sin. We would still love our sin. Adam is to blame for the fall, we are to blame for the sin we choose. God has sovereignly decreed that you and I have a real will. We just do not have a will freed from sin, prior to our new birth.

[@RangerRyke]

@@caseycockerham3925 if we still would have chosen as Adam did then how are we responsible for doing what was inevitable? Genesis even implies they had no knowledge of Good or evil so they couldn’t even comprehend that their disobedience was wrong, much less what the consequences truly were. Also Genesis 3:22 says that the God(s) cast them out so they couldn’t get eternally life, implying that they were already mortal. One can come up with theological interpretations for many stances but it doesn’t make them rational. We have the fossils to prove death, ignorance, and suffering, existed long before humans.

[@FirstNameLastName-eo2pq]

Might be me but it seems they really down played what total depravity is. Total is total, not mostly on some gradient scale as it seems they are doing here. Right around 2:15 or so they talk about is it "utter" depravity or not... Would assert in this context there is no difference utter vs. total. Or for that matter even if one might make some distinction effectively there would be no difference. Meaning as we read about Adams's sin in Rom 5 if Adam's sin was effective and capable of poluting the entire human race, hard to see anything that able and capable of spreading, how would it not effect or taint everything? Or that total depravity doesn't mean (2:27) that it we aren't totally ever as we possibly could be. Sorry it makes no sense. Meaning it only take one sin to be a sinner, one lie to make a liar. Hard to see or hears someone even asserting this point. Look at the transition we see in the U.S. now? I live in Seattle, i remember a time when i thought "Thank God Seattle isn't like other cities..." Use to be we would never hear about gun violence and shootings as there might be n Chicago, Detroit and other cities but now they seem to be a daily occurrence here, and most days if there isn't one there are two or more... Sorry but most of the comments by the the host here seem out of touch with reality. Seems they are living in a place there it use to be nice but turned into "plant food"... While it seems just wait, would assert we will see total depravity in effect and it permeates and spreads... Might say i'm reformed but what they are presenting here doesn't properly describe total depravity, or they want to play both side of the issue against each other. Sorry being dead in one's sins... OR as the bible says "even our good deeds are as filthy rags..." and this is our good works? Sorry but all the verse snippets being used here seems like taking the text out of context leaving just a con...

[@anothergoldilocks1077]

The Bible is not a salad bar, wherein a person can pick and choose “snippets” of Scripture, as you’re doing in this vlog to attempt to prove your POV. When someone resorts to tactics such as this or some other type of Scripture Twisting they desperately “try” to prove their point(s). This vlog shows some of the poorest exegesis I’ve seen. Bottom line ~ Jeff Durbin and Apologia group are forced into a box of having to twist/pluck Scripture out-of-context, in order to “try” to prove their doctrines of TULIP, Original Sin, which the Catholic Church teaches, and other false beliefs. SMH 🤦‍♀️

[@troylee4196]

Romans 1 & 2 doesn't exist to you?

[@Brenda-qo4ko]

OK.Let's just take one example - Romans 8:7-8.Explain how their interpretation is taking those verses out of context and offer a different exegetical meaning from that text - Romans 8:5-10.

[@tylerbuckner3750]

You only have to skip over their entire presentation of full chapters of Biblical exposition to have this opinion. Misrepresentation doesn’t honor God, friend.

[@Brenda-qo4ko]

@@tylerbuckner3750 Give me an example of a full chapter in the Bible contradicts anything that was said in the video.Or even a passage of scripture.

[@tylerbuckner3750]

@@Brenda-qo4ko I don't think the Bible contradicts anything in this video. The things said in the video are derived directly from the text.

[@Terror1Void]

Both of you just denied original sin, and you dont even know it.

[@caseycockerham3925]

Please enlighten

[@Terror1Void]

@caseycockerham3925 By them saying man isn't as evil as he can be. To say so is man has good within themselves. They're getting this from calvinst theologians that taught that common grace is common regeneration. This is nothing new.

[@caseycockerham3925]

@Terror1Void No person is as evil as they possibly could be. There's no way to even gauge something like that. Scripture doesn't even teach that nor do any Reformed Christians. I'm not sure if you're familiar with total depravity or sometimes as it's called radical corruption. But they make the distinctions in terms right at the beginning of the video. Quite simply, Total Depravity is man being corrupted through and through every fiber of his being. There is no part of man's being that is free from sin and it's corruption. The word total means complete. So Total Depravity means complete corruption. Utter Depravity would mean to the uttermost. That's when something would be as evil as it possibly could be. Utter Depravity has never been taught by any reformer or reformed as being man's state. They've only ever made the distinction between the two. Utter Depravity as man's state is not taught in Reformed Theology

[@elimartin4107]

​@Terror1Void God is restraining men everyday that is why we cannot be as evil as we could be. And they said that in the video they did not say its because there is good in us.

[@Terror1Void]

@elimartin4107 Is a chained up rabid dog now less dangerous because it can't bite?