Appholes! - WAN Show January 26, 2024

[@NoKi1119]

-Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [0:55] *Intro.* [1:18] *Topic #1: Apple "maliciously" complies with EU's Digital Markets Act.* > 5:38 Apple's deal with app developers, Luke questions this, Linus on Tim Sweeney. > 8:04 Linus on Apple's fees, Luke mentions Steam & sideloading, Windows RT. > 15:56 Dan is not here, Linus on Apple Vision Pro & its weight ft. Dan & NAND. > 18:54 Apple's cleaning cloth, Linus's point on luxury branding, Luke's fading color idea. [21:45] *Topic #2: Framework 16 officially releases.* > 23:24 Linus asks for feedback on uneven backlight & crashes, others' reviews. > 24:57 Luke points out The Verge's review, The Verge's pre-production unit. > 30:00 Reacting to LTT's Framework 16 review video. > 31:26 Linus on not recommending GPU upgrade, MXM, failed promises. > 37:10 Linus on board manufacturers, Nvidia's habits, conversation with Silverstone at Computex. > 41:54 Continuing the reaction: Framework's GPU solution. > 45:30 Framework's keyboard, chassis flex, DO NOT use electric tapes! > 48:22 Side firing speakers, expansion slots, laptop charger, Framework guides. > 51:51 LTT's ElectroBOOM Framework build challenge video. > 52:30 Specs of review laptops, benchmark charts. > 55:36 dbrand's sticker application, LTT Lab's tests. > 57:36 Linus recalls warehouse's thermostat internal drama. > 1:00:23 Continuing the reaction: thermal benchmarks, panel issues, price. > 1:05:26 Linus on the video quality, recalls tours, Luke shows Framework update. > 1:08:16 Recalling CSF's circle video, Elijah doing "how to do a backflip" idea. [1:10:22] *LTTStore screwdriver bits prices increase.* > 1:12:12 Yvonne's tweet video on Linus failing a backflip on a trampoline. [1:13:22] *LTTStore's "The Steve" Turtleneck.* > 1:14:03 LTTStore's new women's PJ set. > 1:14:35 LTT precision screwdriver email signup. [1:15:01] *Merch Messages #1.* > 1:15:08 More janky cooling adventures videos? ft. Triggered Dan, AJ's comment. > 1:19:02 Precision driver's smaller bits, prototype bits storage ft. Linus spin game. > 1:22:22 Advice on doing tasks you don't find passion in? TARKOV is a rogue-like. [1:27:09] *Topic #3: Teen charged over a bad Snapchat joke.* > 1:31:08 Linus on keeping your mouth shut, should Snapchat monitor chats? [1:34:06] *Sponsors.* > 1:34:16 AG1. > 1:35:20 Squarespace. > 1:36:20 Vessi. [1:37:53] *Merch Messages #2.* > 1:38:06 How effective are USB-C order scams? ft. Most notable Canadians. > 1:44:25 Advice to stop my personal life from affecting my work life? > 1:50:21 Can you tell us more about your video? [1:51:48] *Linus plans to cancel subscriptions on Apple TV next WAN Show.* [1:53:26] *Topic #4: More layoffs within the gaming industry.* [1:57:06] *Topic #5: HP wants to make printing "a subscription."* > 1:59:12 Viruses through printer ink cartridges, suggesting EU to chase HP. [2:01:45] *LTTstore's new ShortCircuit T-shirt.* > 2:02:20 LTTStore's 100% Cotton T-shirt. [2:03:40] *Topic #6: Why LTT didn't review Nvidia's latest graphics cards.* [2:11:55] *Topic #7: Disney's HoloTile, a multi directional VR treadmill.* [2:15:19] *Topic #8: MrBeast's video promoted as "not an ad" on Twitter/X.* [2:18:34] *Topic #9: Nvidia's RTX HDR videos AI upscaler.* [2:23:10] *Merch Message #2 ft. WAN Show After Dark.* > 2:23:54 Are you worried about LTT Labs pulling an Ecorus? > 2:25:04 Would Intel's plans make prices user friendly? Why expand into Ohio? > 2:26:24 Linus's closet PC anecdote. > 2:27:09 Would Linus not embracing the phrase be detrimental to TL/GL? > 2:27:56 LTT Labs' website Peripheral comparison experience? > 2:30:48 Luke's fitness journey & 2024 Fitness goals ft. Linus's game. > 2:34:38 Thoughts on rumors of Intel killing hyperthreading? > 2:37:12 Would the Stubby with a long shaft be back in stock? > 2:38:04 Could you explain how KZbin Premium works with monetization? > 2:38:51 Are you still using ThioJoe's comment moderation? > 2:41:07 How is the backpack shipping being handled? > 2:42:00 How do you feel about Cloudflare? > 2:44:26 When have you found your kids wanting something you already had first? > 2:45:58 What's the worst company to threaten price increases as promotions? > 2:47:39 Will you do another month challenge with Intel Arc Battlemage? > 2:50:23 Inheritance tax stopped LMG from being a real company, got a plan? > 2:55:40 Any product that still exists that was based on a once innovative feature? > 2:57:01 Thoughts on CM killing the NR200 air cooler compatibility? > 2:58:03 Thoughts on Second Wind's transparency with monthly revenue reports? > 3:00:01 LTT's long term $/view compared to TL/GL news videos? > 3:01:40 Issues with games crashing on the ROG Ally? Steam deck buttons sticking? [3:02:20] *Outro.* Side note: donations are in my channel's about page.

[@OlaviMurto]

Let's goo timestamp guy! Also goddamn you're quick af 👁️👄👁️ must be doing these while live is still going right?

[@OlaviMurto]

2:23:54 *icarus, not ecorus

[@Bluelightzero]

It would be nice if the WAN show could copy this into the description so it labels the timeline.

[@jesse199377]

P LM

[@OlaviMurto]

@@Bluelightzero does it do that automatically? I thought you had to do that manually in some edit video thing, so that's why they've only done it for some full WAN shows

[@PeterMoore5]

Start of precision screwdriver spin: 1:22:22 End of spin: 1:23:31 Total spin time: 69 seconds!!

[@jonnyknockskill5317]

Nice

[@krisyums]

Nice

[@夜空が素晴らしいです]

Nice

[@janhetjoch]

Nice

[@sedixmrboss5625]

Nice

[@Jzwiz]

I miss when printers were just connected to a computer.. and worked. No subscriptions, no internet connection, no internal counter that kills your printer after so much use so you buy a new one, (mine has one that requires a lil hack to bypass)

[@MiesvanderLippe]

Consider that when buying your next printer instead of just price. Can’t build a printer for $40 so they’ll get you later on.

[@dustojnikhummer]

Then buy a cheap one. They are all USB only.

[@theaterlightman89]

Buy an old hp printer with no wifi... black and white, those cartridges last for a looooong time

[@MiesvanderLippe]

@@theaterlightman89 I bought a black/white Brother. Looked up the price for the printer + 10.000 prints or so. It has LAN (and AirPrint) which is very important because all devices I print from are wireless, like most people have these days.

[@matt5721]

I had an hp that's like 10 years old update over WiFi without my knowledge then pester me about ink through an echo speaker. I threw both down a flight of stairs

[@SakuraShuuichi]

the cleaning cloth is not free, it is 3000usd but comes with a vision pro.

[@Shzl47]

*3500usd

[@SakuraShuuichi]

@@Shzl47 ah so the vision is 500 if you buy the cleaning cloth, got it

[@alastairstedman7840]

That Snapchat joke was so good it was..... Criminal

[@radovanobal3842]

On steam you can create keys that you can sell elsewhere and they charge you 0% for those sales. They take 30% only for sales on steam.

[@NotMexican]

You are still bound by the mfn clause in the agreement

[@gtjack9]

Tbf that potentially brings new customers into the steam “ecosystem” if that’s the right word.

[@tlefevre2918]

@@NotMexican true but it is quite fair if not generous.

[@cromefire_]

Yes, but only very limited. I think it's just 10% or so of the total sales.

[@CLabmusic]

That's pretty fair and a great way to pull in new customers. Apple needs to take notes

[@gruntpartystyle]

Complaining about „Euro Cent“ but self using „Canadian Dollars“. 😂

[@Aethid]

USD, CAD, AUD, all do the same.

[@AleksandarStefanovic]

Also, in the EU, they're just called "cents", it's just to distinguish between cents of different currency

[@TheStewiesMogwai]

Learning about Terry Fox is probably the best thing I've ever gotten from WAN show

[@odrhann]

That Core Technology Fee is a racket and absolutely mind blowing, it's Unity all over again.

[@LazyLoonz]

Exactly

[@finnnnnnnn1258]

and this time, there will be no walk-backs or community reprimanding...because it's apple :/

[@Remsster]

​@@finnnnnnnn1258The EU might smack them in line

[@markhughes1611]

The car stabbing you in the chest line made me lol 😂

[@Validole]

The point of the fighters was that if the person tried to use the threat of a bomb to hijack the plane, then the fighters could destoy the plane before it could reach somewhere it could do damage going down. Making the attempt futile and thus hopefully deterring the scenario.

[@streitkrafte]

Exactly, scrambling jets in cases like this is standard operating procedure in any NATO country.

[@iskierka8399]

If they actually thought he was a credible threat, they wouldn't have let the plane take off with him on it, or ordered it back down. Both of these are fully within their power. The fact they didn't means they didn't take him as a credible threat and so cannot have believed the jets were a truly proportionate response, therefore he cannot be held responsible for their cost.

[@streitkrafte]

He sent the message before it took off but British authorities only passed on the threat when the airplane was already inside Spanish airspace, probably the eavesdropping system takes some time to process the threats (as in the time needed for the aircraft to be in the air,, so nothing you say makes sense. In hindsight (now that we know he carried no explosives) it is easy to say that the fighters weren't needed, but in real time it was the right reaction to the threat. @@iskierka8399

[@PrograError]

@@streitkrafte more like any country with active civilian mass aviation...

[@Nemerson74]

@@iskierka8399 what source did you read? I read that they (British Intel) only found out about it after the plane had taken off and then let Spain (who owned the jets) know over France.

[@patrickwalter8175]

It's just cents. Euro-cents is used internally to not get confused with other currencies that also use cent

[@_Magnuss_]

Love that the ppl that are using Canadian Dollar complain about Euro Cents. 😂

[@Slipatoek1]

I was not aware this was a thing and now I'm mad thay they didn't name it a CentEuro and (Centauro/Centaur) and a cool horse man in the back.

[@spagettech]

​@@Slipatoek1that really is a missed opportunity

[@link1565V2]

​@@_Magnuss_ no one says Canadian cents...

[@_Magnuss_]

@@link1565V2 Surprise no one says Euro Cent too spot the humor ;P

[@AdriNox777]

Luke's fading color idea is Apple as hell and people would roast each other just on color alone.

[@matz4k]

HUGE shoutout for solving the spotify upload! Having the episode already download this morning made my day!

[@yugoprowers]

1:28:35 The reason you send in the fighter jets is to make sure the plane does not fly over the city, and keep the impact of an plane crashing minimal.

[@jullit31]

Wouldn't it be cheaper and much more effective to just tell the pilot via radio not to fly over cities?

[@jessevw932]

@@jullit31 it's in case on hijackings

[@Andrei5656]

Can we take a second and appreciate Luke's discipline and hard work? His weight loss progress is really showing. Congrats my dude! Edit: well dang, someone asked a merch message about his workout later in the show. Wanted to point out his progress for a few shows now.

[@MrVaykadji]

Regarding Apple's new idea on "how do we technically comply with the EU regulations?", I wonder something. I know that law is very different in some countries, some having what I'll call "roman law" and other "anglosaxon law". In Belgian laws for example, there's something called "the spirit of the law", it's a concept meant to prevent what Apple's trying to do here. The idea is that whatever "technically" you do, if the "spirit of the law" is to allow something easier, you making it harder isnt compliant, because you don't comply with the "spirit of the law" and "what the regulator meant". Maybe that principle also exists in EU law? I dont know (and I'm not a lawyer)

[@hundredfireify]

Absolutely, right. European legislation has to be followed "in the spirit of the law". If it's not enforceable, the European Parliament will amend the text to make sure they aren't being misunderstood. I expect apple to get some FAFO slap in the next months

[@jakub7244]

Yes it is illegal in some countries, atleast from what I remember during my law lessons from school.

[@Torchedini]

Yes, but the spirit of the law is also enforced by prior cases/rulings. So this needs another lawsuit or more laws. Which either way will take a long time and that is Apple's strategy.

[@interuniverse2393]

I praise you for the Spotify instant upload. 🙏🙏🙏 you saved my 11 hour flight at least in part.

[@Galileocrafter]

The behaviour of Apple with those frankly insane pricing models could be classified as anti consumer and anti competition in the EU. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple would be scrutinised by the EU for this behaviour. Hopefully with a fine that actually hurts them and of course the remedy of the situation.

[@lordhighbinary2006]

​@skechergnSadly I'm worried that would happen... Apple had enough revenue to pull out and stop all services in the Eu just to prove a point. They still make hand over fist everywhere else in the world. But could the EU lawmakers survive a week w/o any apple services (support, app store, applepay, etc ) My guess is Apple can outlast the EU, as there will be a lot of angry people who Apple will direct to the EU lawmakers wiping their hands of this matter.

[@iiimaskyiii7816]

@skechergnonly problem with that is that you’re now encroaching on the users rights to use their device, which is the opposite of this type of legislation.

[@CaptCorgi]

I think I watch videos longer when I see merch from other companies/youtubers worm by the hosts, it gives a good vibe.

[@CG-yq7gq]

54:20 even Linus got confused I think to make it graphs even better in future videos you could highlight (or something else) the device being reviewed. I also really want to see error bars/confidence interval but that’s probably a long shot.

[@sarisaf]

I have always hated hewlett crapard. Recently I got a multi-function printer for free, and hated it so much. Ink ran out after 20-30 prints. The machine had to be connected to the internet and in connection with HP when scanning documents, even when the printer was directly attached to the PC. Clearly HP was spying on my scans. Scanning private business documents meant that secrecy was important, and not knowing what HP does with the data, I chucked the thing. Never again will I use HP printers.

[@pptemplar5840]

I don't think I will voluntarily purchase an HP product again. Never purchased a printer but I have purchased 2 things, the first was "serviceable" but honestly overpriced and clearly engineered for the benefit of HP, not the end users, the second was simply faulty. HP branding looks more like a red flag to me than anything confidence inspiring.

[@scottanderson691]

Fuck HP (and Epson and Cannon for that matter). They'll get my Brother MFC-495CW when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

[@CentreMetre]

Wonder how that would fly with highly secret government or even military documents.

[@Philybeef]

I was one of those people who fell for the trap of MXM in my first gaming laptop (gt80 titan laptop equivalent) that had a gtx 980m sli setup. After that generation of mxm gpus it was decided that the TDP limit of MXM was increased from 100 watts to 200 or something like that, so now my chances of upgrading had pretty much died I didn't even bother looking to see if the layout of the new boards would work with my particular laptops cooling system. MXM was only useful if you were really lucky that a GPU upgrade would work with the particular laptop you had with TDP and cooling layout/capabilities or if the current gpu would die and you were able to somehow buy a replacement which was its own problem since you couldn't easily buy standalone mxm cards like you could for desktop cards.

[@petrenistor7234]

Lately KZbin be like "You've skipped the first set of midroll adds, but what about the second set of midroll adds instantly after it?"

[@ocularcavity8412]

The reason a Camera filming a screens can show some difference in SDR and HDR is the Camera was designed to capture the world of Colors visible in real life (more than even HDR) and cram it into a SDR color space and since SDR is already less color than real life it will look even worse it is like filming 2 TV'S one that is Playing a 4k Video and the other is playing a 320x240 even if you record them with a 1080p camera one will still look sharper than the other

[@Secret_Takodachi]

Ya'll also forgot to mention the Valve controller overlay system that allows users to configure & use controllers in games that otherwise may not offer native controller support. So, in terms of that 30% fee: Valve does a LOT to justify that 30% cut. It's worked to become the largest platform in the PC gaming space; it doesn't charge users for cloud saves; it includes remote play & game streaming features. Valve doesn't just operate a distribution platform, it operates & creates *VALUE* for its platform. In terms of all the companies collecting fees off every sale on its platform? Valve is easily the one that does the most to offer value to both consumers AND developers.

[@_Twink]

Big picture is super convenient too. As is their support forms. Though I still love GOG for allowing me to download the install files for my games.

[@KeeseToast]

I just hate how bad the Steam Launcher UI still is. I recommend the Steam redesign video from Juxtopposed here on KZbin

[@stevenpeterson6875]

Always download to watch Sat during my work day. Waiting on a Driver, Stubby, Precision matching set to pick them all up, but very excited to add the exquisite quality to my electrical kit.

[@TheClumsySpectre2]

Me immediately having a breakdown when watching WAN show at 2.5x speed as Luke and Linus watch the framework video at 1.75x speed

[@dvpemberton]

1:29:00 They'll have scrambled the jets in case they had to take the plane down outside of any heavily populated areas. As an old Vulcan once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". It's better to lose a few hundred people and one plane, as opposed to several thousand and critical buildings/infrastructure.

[@jumco9045]

Came here to say exactly this and I'm glad the jets didn't feel the need to take action. This is why you don't joke about stuff like this at airports. All it takes is one unrelated drunken dickhead on the plane to cause a commotion and then the Spanish airforce has a decision to make.

[@iskierka8399]

If they actually thought he was a credible threat, they wouldn't have let the plane take off with him on it, or ordered it back down. Both of these are fully within their power. The fact they didn't means they didn't take him as a credible threat and so cannot have believed the jets were a truly proportionate response, therefore he cannot be held responsible for their cost.

[@chavyb8136]

Should never joke about that stuff in or near airports. You can basically guarantee all public transport that goes anywhere near any major airport is bugged and monitored 24/7. No one is risking a joke as a joke anymore 🤷‍♂️ Imagine the fall out when the intelligence agencies apologise and say "Soz guys, we thought he was havin' a laugh!"

[@NDM800]

@@iskierka8399from what I read they Spanish authorities weren’t aware until the plane had taken off

[@iskierka8399]

@@NDM800 It can still be ordered to land. The fact they didn't and let it get to its destination indicates they did not find it credible.

[@1kili2]

saying "Eurocents" in conversation is like saying "United States Dollars" everybody just says cents

[@16jms]

People say US Dollars all the time, what are you talking about?

[@1kili2]

@@16jms what im talking about is exactly the thing youre doing saying "US dollar" instead of the full "United states dollar" likewise while the official name is "eurocents" everyone just says cents

[@ElMoonLite]

Thank you so much. The first 30seconds was enough to put a big smile on my face after a long day. Can't wait to see the rest.

[@DrIcchan]

EU has already illegalised blocking using 3rd party ink cartridges in printers.

[@rumblpak]

I can tell you living in Atlanta, GA that the reason companies are building in rural America is absolutely not just because they can, and its more because they’re getting tax cuts AND they can pay engineers 30-50% less than NY and CA wages. The current layoff situation doesn’t help since people are taking less money just to remain employed.

[@bradleydias425]

That Hitler part was really close, Linus. God bless.

[@russelltindale9428]

a joke is a joke.

[@mrnick989]

Uffff.

[@WayStedYou]

The other other hard R

[@MellowWater]

To be fair to Linus, Hitler did advocate against animal cruelty and smoking. Which as linus said is something we can agree with and still hate the man for the absolute **** he was

[@512TheWolf512]

@MellowWater what kind of insult only takes 2 characters to write down?

[@BlueKnight87]

Here's an idea for printer-related IP that I don't believe anyone owns: A printer that can actually be repaired by the end-user! Mindblowing I know.

[@deathab0ve]

4:45 Why is Euro cents odd? In the US we just say cents, I am sure it is implied that it is 50 USDcents, but nobody says USD.

[@Simon-ui6db]

If I could afford a framework 16 I would have it in a hearbeat. Unfortunately being a single dad on minimum wage here in the uk puts pay to that but really do hope the gpu upgrade path lasts longer than mxm, and that framework go from strength to strength with the products.

[@bobowon5450]

It's weird hearing them talk so well about terry fox day because I remember that as one of the few days i'd be bullied by the teachers because we'd essentially run/walk a small marathon on terry fox day but due to medical reasons i really couldn't do it. So teachers and some students would treat me like shit because "terry fox did it". eventually i just stopped going to school on those days.

[@Metal_Maxine]

You've pretty much described my brother's experience of school sports. 😞 Hopefully, it's better now.

[@grn1]

I guess they had better teachers. I had a few great and a few not so great teachers growing up. The good ones know when to encourage and when to back off, the bad ones just put you down or take the bullies side. I had a band director that was a major bully and a couple years after I graduated went to prison for sexting a teenager (many people had reported him for inappropriate behavior but we were told that unless the girls he was looking at complained it didn't matter).

[@245trichlorophenate]

Day 1 of asking for the return of Vampire Linus from the EVGA video.

[@pilotkaboom2974]

So, I've watched the WAN show at 2x speed for over a year now. I have become quite accustomed to that speed and have frequently wondered if - were I freed from KZbins petty limitations - I would be able to process your videos at an even higher speed. Thanks to you watching your own video at 2x speed, I can now say that yes, I could totally watch your videos at at least 3x.

[@NDM800]

I believe it was 3.5x speed 😂

[@mathboy_]

You can do this in KZbin revanced

[@mathboy_]

It's intelligible most of the time at 3x

[@csk24816]

If you're using chrome or a chromium browser, the KZbin playback speed extension can make it go even faster, up to speeds that are likely faster than youtube can transmit the video to you.

[@PinHeadSupliciumwtf]

4x is the max after that it just stops audio and it's a silent video. Some people talk slow enough to actually watch at those speeds.

[@caconym358]

E2EE and encryption in transit are two completely different things! Even without E2EE, I know for a fact that Snapchat uses TLS with certificate pinning for text chat, making eavesdropping by airport wifi operators (or whatever) essentially impossible. The obvious takeaway from this is that the British government has a tap inside Snapchat, or Snapchat monitors user chats themselves and proactively reports "jokes" and such to the authorities.

[@sedixmrboss5625]

Yes, Eurocent is actually a thing. No, we never call it that, it's still Cent. You won't hear anyone say Eurocent in a store EVER. It's just the official name for it so it doesn't get confused with the Dollars or smth idk idc it's still Cent. So yeeea, not 50 Eurocents, it's just 50 Cents.

[@maximilianocarrillo7592]

Great episode

[@PhilfreezeCH]

Apple is about to find out that in Europe, the clear intent of a law matters a lot, not just the pure text of a law, which is more the case in the US. So just complying ‚technically‘ can still violate the intent of the law and land you a fine.

[@grn1]

The spirit of the law is supposed to be the law in the US but we seem to have lost that at some point along with a lot of our constitutional rights (read the first 10 amendments and compare to practiced law).

[@jeroddunn]

Thank you for thinking of the transparent nature of fabric when making stuff. There is an epidemic of transparent clothes (especially in candid photography).

[@snipegrzywa]

Re: the airline passenger. I know its funny on the surface the irony of the whole "We'll shoot you down if you use that bomb!" , it is actually serious. The THREAT of a bomb can be used as leverage to take control of a plane (near impossible now due to regulation changes after 9/11, but still). Also, a plane can hold a pretty big bomb (again, would be really hard to get a 500 lb bomb onto a plane, but technically possible). Either scenario, you can turn the plane itself into a weapon. See attacks on 9/11. Its better to take down a plane where overall damage is less then you let the plane continue on. And the time it takes to vet threats, trace connections, and see if there is any plot, or a larger plot, takes time. Its better to get them to intercept and escort ASAP, then wait to launch when a serious threat becomes known.

[@BryceDixonDev]

"You can just buy an Android" except a lot of people can't. Apple has put a lot of effort into platform integration specifically ao that leaving their ecosystem is difficult or impossible. If you use an Apple Watch, you *have* to use an iPhone. Some AirPods features don't work on non-Apple devices. When I bought a Mac Mini for video editing, it assumed I had an iPhone and asked me to log in with that to set it up. I'm sure there are more examples that I'm just not familiar with. As cool as all the "it just works" can be when you *do* buy everything from Apple, they also intentionally refuse to support third-parties in any way specifically so people can't ever leave.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

I've been messing about with game dev as a hobby for several years. I started learning Unity properly with a view to making a bit of extra money, right before they dropped their runtime fee. I quickly jumped back to Godot. Just the other day I bought a course to help properly develop games in Godot for iPhone... right before Apple dropped their runtime fee. Am I cursed?

[@TheDaveQuito]

I believe the runtime fee only applies to apps on third party app stores

[@TheAndkonmegalodon]

Elijah just so happening to be the only one that can do a backflip was both the most unexpected and hilarious thing considering Linus’ reaction. I mean he’s not wrong, but god damn did that kill me at work 😂

The Apple and Steam comparison is kind of funny. I know the topic is about iOS but what amazes me is that there are more monthly active Steam users than Mac users worldwide. I never thought about how massive Valve is.

[@nathantron]

Yeah, that framework video sold me. I'm getting one and never going back to any other brand.

[@makarbatareikin]

sounds like Apple hired John Riccitiello

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

In response to the HP topic, my next printer is going to be a Brother laser printer because inkjet printers SUCK. Not only because of the subscription model, but modern ones only last for a few years. Give me my DeskJet 880c on my LPT port back please!

[@eldibs]

I always recommended people shy away from HP printers, but now I'm recommending they avoid buying HP products all together.

[@spolti1322]

It would be great to see more videos with the lmg et al staff ‘unsupervised’ by Linus. It’s nice to have that variety of hosting and styles. Linus’s high energy and enthusiasm is often exactly what a video needs but sometimes it’s nice to see a different type of goofing around, jokes, insights, etc. 1:06:38

[@factsnfunwithzs5029]

WAN show never disappoints keep it up Linus and team👏

[@combatdriver-eh3ej]

Oh my God! They finally fixed their backdrop! Nice!

[@InsideAlan]

I know im stating the obvious but "Pegatron" needs to become a transformers style cartoon meme.

[@jitterrypokery1526]

“Elijah if your watching… No🗿”

[@jackielinde7568]

Regarding the bankruptcy question, I cannot speak to UK or Spanish law, but in the US there are different classes of debt, and some debt cannot be discharged by bankruptcy. In general, debts from court fines, fees, and punishments cannot be discharged. I think a lot of educational debt might not be dischargeable, either. And creditors can go into court and make the argument that based on how certain debts were accrued (like with fraud or some intent on deception in order not to pay the debt) that the debts shouldn't be discharged. On top of that, because the idiot was 18, creditors might not go after just the kid. Presumably, he doesn't have a lot that could be considered assets that could be used to help pay off some of the debts. (Yes, one of the conditions of bankruptcy is that sellable assets are liquidated to help pay off those debts before they're discharged.) They may state that he's still a ward of his parents or guardians, especially if he's still living with them. Thus, creditors could go after mom and dad along with the kid. And the court could add conditions about mom and dad to any bankruptcy proceedings for the kid. Now, I'm not a lawyer, so this is not 100% accurate. These are just what's possible.

[@vffa]

Don't worry, the judge already cleared him of all charges. The reason stated was that the conversation was held in a private environment, while also obviously being a joke, given the previous context of that chat. Furthermore he did not have any reason to believe that the chat was being monitored, thus all actions taken by the secret service and Spanish government were their own problem. Fair judgement

[@jackielinde7568]

@@vffa Oh, I wasn't worried either way. Just making some observations based on US's bankruptcy system since Luke mentioned it.

[@Fifty1stState.]

Thanks guys, I'm already watching this video @1.5 speed and you're playing it faster as well!

[@seljd]

at this point I'm starting to believe, Linus is emotionally attached to that Note 9

[@zombiexpanda]

I made the mistake of upgrading without doing more research, thinking I could trust the next in the series to be atleast equal. I wasnt able to get my phone back even a day later, it was already shipped off for recycling.

[@Kirsty_McKay]

I bought a Note 9 just to have it. It's my favourite modern phone. Loved it & so happy to have it.

[@dalton6173]

Recent studies have shown the best posture is your next one because we're not actually made to be doing the same thing for long periods of time.

[@ajmatt]

Where is the timestamp gentleman

[@ethanwok]

7:13

[@xshotx2745]

Never thought I'd be happy to see that there's a new wan show!

[@Mr7Niice]

Lets roll out big changes for privacy and security. Anti-scammers need a big boost!!

[@JeffLeiseth]

As an American in Seattle it’s absolutely absurd that so many people actually get a lunch break and even more absurd that they can pay 3 pounds for lunch not 15 in 2021.

[@OlaviMurto]

Eurocents? XD Never heard that one before and we use Euro here. It's just "cents" for us. I guess it's sometimes Eurocents to distinguish currency easily?

[@ClaBacchio]

Well officially that's their name... Which is actually short for cents of Euro, if the currency isn't implicitly known

[@jonatanrullman]

If there are any other mysteries of the world, can you usually be found on baker street? :-D

[@ClaBacchio]

​@@jonatanrullman😅 I was j just pointing out that where you use Euro, of course you don't need to specify Euro* every time

[@nicholasvinen]

"Euroguards! Put him in Eurocuffs!"

[@OlaviMurto]

@@jonatanrullman Emphasis was on the "sometimes" so it's obvious it's for distinguishing currency, but I was just stating kinda like "yeah I get that maybe sometimes that can be reasonable". I wasn't as clear as I could've been.

[@sombrero4316]

this weeks show is extra unhinged, I hope they don't lose the partnership with FOURSQUAARAAHH

[@dragan38765]

Nobody calls them eurocents, it's just cents. As in one hundredth, many currencies have cents.

[@arnemalte]

Eurocent is the correct name, and if you handle multiple Currencies or like here need to make clear, what Currency you are talking about, you should call them Eurocent. "Nobody calls them eurocents" - yes, when you sit inside the Eurozone and not handling/using other currencies, but they sit in Canada and have a worldwide audience.

[@DarinMiller]

Linus gets as animated as I do when discussing "bad" company behavior and I love it! :)

[@512TheWolf512]

This is not malicious compliance, this is non-compliance. It's just betting on EU lawmakers being stupid and not seeing it.

[@DeviousWizard]

regarding the printer segment and mention of Framework printers, it's a good example of how patents can, and are very often used to stifle competition and innovation, since many won't even innovate, since they're discouraged to even try entering a market, because people are so aggressive with lawsuits and patents

[@youngfacade4197]

Here before timestamps?? Crazy

[@kugi518]

Really liked the framework reaction part!

[@SirMerenos]

I watch everything on 2x speed. (Including the wan show) The react portion was fun, I actually had to pay attention for once. I wish youtube had a 4x speed button.

[@Percy500]

I completely agree. I downloaded a safari browser extension to increase the speed even further, but the KZbin App is definitely more comfortable on mobile, than the website. That’s why I don’t use it as much, but KZbin should really add this feature.

[@Cerg1998]

Revanced has higher speeds, but at a certain point audio gets distorted quite a bit. At 3X the distortion is noticeable, at 4X I need to focus to actually understand and 5X is more distortion and popping than actual content. It may be my hardware chugging, so I guess that's why these aren't an option normally - to provide comparable experience across the board.

[@panoskappos2735]

I WANNA THE 5 HOUR WAN SHOW AGAIN MAKE IT!!!!

[@EpicWolverine]

1:35:00 $45/month for multivitamin supplements?!? Is there gold in there? My store brand multivitamins are a few bucks for 60, so maybe $2/month, and they have a couple more vitamins and minerals than AG1 (though neither have iron).

[@Grafiksocke]

which is good since iron can interfere with absorption of magnesium and zinc iirc(take iron separately at a different time)

[@a.very.bored.truck.driver]

Just overpriced subscription services ,like Hello Fresh and others . They do have their own purpose for the people which are too busy or too lazy to go to a farmacy or grocery shopping and cooking... But imho just a waste of money

[@grn1]

A lot of store brand, and even premium brand, supplements are full of garbage or otherwise use low quality ingredients. Just because something says it has certain vitamins doesn't mean they are the exact same molecules you'd get from healthy foods, processing methods can really mess things up. Supplements also don't have the same regulation as food does (at least not in the US) so you can't just read the label and trust it. That said I don't know how good AG1 actually is but I know of some really expensive supplements that go through a lot more testing and are generally more trusted by nutritionists (who don't get a cut).

[@TrueThanny]

The biggest problem with MXM cards as an upgrade path for laptops is that it has never been the case that you could actually buy them. Even if you could rely on the form factor being consistent, so the heat sink would still work, you won't find any for purchase. Except maybe a few years down the line as a used card, which generally limits you to the fastest option for the laptop you got. If you already got the fastest one, and want to upgrade to a new generation, you won't find the cards for sale anywhere.

[@gheitzl]

Regarding the bomb in a plane: Yes of course shooting the plane down would also result in it's destruction and death of passengers. BUT the location where this happens can be influenced. Explosion over farmland or a major city makes a huge difference in human and other kind of losses.

[@ripcord895]

Timeline 2:02:39 Prices are all in USD, how adding a conversion to CDN dollars?

[@maxfoxbadox]

26:45 im in there

[@benbrandt3]

"IT'S YOUR FAULT!!!" *Stares at camera*....and I'm dead.

[@rufioh]

I’m pretty sure it’s not Eurocents, it’s just cents. At least no one calls them eurocents. It’s like calling $0.01 a dollar cent. I think it’s probably written like that because Americans would be confused if not.

[@Matt_C130]

Chat swings from "Luke control this man!" To "Linus! Shut him up now! Put Nad up front with you!" Proud to say I'd have one faded blue though 😂 bound to be green before it becomes a more vibrant blue.

[@-__-_-_--__--_-__-_____--_-___]

30:54 Linus skipping his own ad is so funny to me

[@KookyBone]

Steam is a Marketplace you "choose to use" or use another, while Apple is a market place you are "forced to use"... This is the simple answer to the question if apple has monopoly - it is yes

[@kyokazuto]

Apple is 24/7 out there playing Monopoly so to speak

[@mavchb]

Thank you for mentioning Terry Fox. I watched the movie as a young kid/teenager. Somehow the movie about the guy that ran with a prosthetic always stuck in my mind. I just could not remember what it was about. Now I know. Thank you for that. I will try to find that movie to watch it again.

[@server642]

I really hope that, next week, they do a reaction to this week’s video reaction

[@GodlikeIridium]

22:40 If the verge can do it, everybody can 😂

[@angrydog4379]

Getting a lot of Unity vibes from Apple...

[@BryceDixonDev]

Apple calling something a "core technology fee" is such a joke. "Your software is so integral to our UX that we consider it a core technology... Pay us $1m/year or we're deleting it." Usually this conversation goes the other way around

[@OfficialDaveChannel]

TIMESTAMP GUY, WHERE ARE YOU? 🗣️🗣️

[@cyborgmike9210]

Listening to you watch a video at 1.75 while I'm at 2x is fun 🤣

[@TVCHLORD]

Apple is the worst can’t wait to switch to android

[@officialANON001]

Good. Instead of being like the idiots who are trying to turn iOS into android with this side loading and alternate App Store shit. You understand there is other choices out there. Crazy that I pay more to be in a closed off ecosystem and then people go and try to ruin it.

[@MiesvanderLippe]

You’re both idiots 😂 We don’t know what this will turn out like yet.

[@oxfordsparky]

Sure, cool story bro.

[@gaylordfocker7288]

Good have fun!

[@xathridtech727]

​@@officialANON001hey don't say you pay more for it because there are more expensive android phones.that argument is ignorant of options at best and deceptive at worst. I would legitimately buy an iPhone IF it made my criteria side loading is in that but so is lidar and no android devices have lidar as of Jan 2023(last time I purchased a phone and researched). Side loading is one of those as well and doesn't impact people who don't want to use it and is huge for people and companies that do use it. I'm not saying either side is better but photometry is easier to work arround than side loading. If I want software on your iPhone I can get it on there with or without side loading. The only difference is the ease for the user. Btw all the information for a large app can be stored in a cable so when you plug it into your phone it automatically installs. That works with it being plugged into a wall wart too not just a computer because we have computers the size of ports now.

[@JakeOver9000]

I watched this in HDR with the new Nvidia feature. It works quite well, in my opinion.

[@petegarrett4451]

Linus turned into Asmongold during the video reaction

[@landonmurray3814]

Loved the section reviewing the video. Pretty dam cool

[@harrymcdowell2212]

As a brown person who often wins the TSA lottery I make jokes like this often…. That is a shitty thing for a government to do.

[@benketteridge9150]

Given your inherent disadvantage when dealing with TSA, is it really wise to up the ante by your speech as well?

[@harrymcdowell2212]

@@benketteridge9150 Yes. Yes it is. I like to think I’m just playing a real life souls like.

[@88porpoise]

2:45:50 Botanically bananas are berries, which are a subset of fruits, and the banana plant is an herbacious plant. Botanical and culinary definitions, howwever, are completely different and there isn't even the same categories. For example botanically "vegetable" on its own means absolutely nothing and the closest botanical terms would encompass all plants. That would make a tomato a vegetable, a fruit, and a berry.