Apple Announces MAJOR App Store Changes in iOS 17.4 (Alt App Stores, Default Browsers & More)

[@RobertoVillegas-vincent404]

Definitely the bigger one for me the game streaming change. It will be interesting to see how quickly native apps will come out.

[@Alex-hv3ir]

I bet we'll have all of them in less than a month

[@fabiojpoli]

Highlighting EU in the video title would help a lot 😃

[@Moshpitmayhem]

Everybody speaking about side loading apps. I am in EU. I have iOS 17.4 is there any option to test some AppStore alternative??

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

One big question about browsers on iOS - will they be able to have their own rendering engines? That’s been a big limitation of iOS browsers, they all use the iOS-supplied WebKit rendering engine. So Firefox for iOS isn’t really using the Firefox Gecko rendering engine. Will this update allow the Firefox for iOS to use Gecko?

[@EvzenEmanuel]

yes, they will have own rendering endine. That's the point.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@EvzenEmanuel That is not clear. All that is clear is that “alternative browsers can be made default.” Alternative browsers are available now, with the limitation that they use the OS WebKit rendering engine. Nothing in this video specifies alternate engines. Searching separately; I do see a page on Apple’s Developer website saying that in the EU, browsers may now use alternate engines. Dan didn’t mention that part in the video.

[@speedracer123222]

@@AnonymousFreakYTthat’s macrumors article on how they wrote it. From apple they specify a library developers can use after they enroll for permission to make a browser. Has jit so you can do JavaScript and stuff. All of this would make engines possible to be ported with full capabilities.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@AnonymousFreakYT it is clear. Many articles about that specifically. Even Google is working on iOS version of Chrome (with proper rendering core) for more than year now.

[@D1AM0NDD]

I dont think so, actually drawing stuff on the screen will probably still to through metal api

[@chiragchhajed8353]

To those thinking apple is letting anyone easily add a 3rd party app it's not, you are still holded by apple. The conditions are in a such a way that no small bussiness would try going the alternative way. Under the App Store's new fee structure for Europe, if you make $10 million in sales, Apple's cut is $6.2 million annually. Assuming you have no operating costs or salaries, your take home amount: $2 million after tax-or 20% of your sales

[@Tomatech]

This video fails to mention of the €1,000,000 letter of credit required to establish an App Marketplace, as well as the absurd €0.50 charge for every install past 1 Million that gets applied on ANY app marketplace, should a developer choose to utilise third party marketplaces. If you're gonna report the "good" news, you need to acknowledge the bad news too

[@akashsxo]

if i can’t install .ipa directly,it’s useless

[@CheekyTheCheekster]

You can’t, just switch to android than, it will never happen.

[@akashsxo]

@@CheekyTheCheekster That's not happening in near future,i enjoy both

[@Shadmannnn]

@@CheekyTheCheeksterong

[@cotyoran0652]

Installing side apps will make Apple an Android, well i like Android too. Great news !

[@hsvr]

no it won't

[@Sakuyushi]

Just use Android. iOS is iOS for a reason

[@06howea1]

Basically impossible to sideload anyway

[@Mister-Wabbit]

Do i need to buy an iphone from the EU?

[@MStrong95]

How will Apple know that you are in the European Union? By the device IP address or from the setup screen when you first turn on the device after unboxing or something else altogether? Basically I would prefer not to move to Europe just to get some of these features when they are released.

[@nkydn]

Most likely based on your device and/or Apple ID region setting

[@Hoschie-ww7io]

Probably local Apple App Store, this would prevent non EU country users like U.K. users from accessing the sideloading store

[@speedracer123222]

From what I saw from others. Is via SIM card registration location.

[@MStrong95]

@@speedracer123222 interesting so what if you don't have a device with a SIM card?

[@WatchmanEvanLovesJesus]

Remember when you set up your iPhone it asks you what region? That's it.

[@davidikus29]

Well, this is a completely logical business move. The US dictatorship is cutting off foreign markets, and this way it will be possible to bypass sanctions and continue to trade unofficially.

[@Mister-Wabbit]

How can we get the EU version jn america?

[@Something_dumb]

I wonder if there will be work arounds to get it work outside the EU. I mean I know there is ways to download apps that aren’t in your country so many that could work but I feel like Apple would try to make it harder. If anyone has ideas share them.

[@speedracer123222]

To have alternetive app stores. Seems a bit much on their rules. You need 1mil euros to even start one (small businesses can’t start a business as a AppStore without a 1 million euro loan), plus a 300 euro enterprise account, also after first 1mil installs it will fine €0.50 per install per Apple ID for the year. Registered company in Europe (has its own fees if you aren’t). I have a feeling Apple could be required to change stuff more as this seems anti competitive still.

[@RemmyMusic1]

this actually follows the EU guidelines to a T. This is the work of EU creating the boundaries, and apple implementing them within their ecosystem. Actually makes alot of sense considering security is a huge problem with this change.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@RemmyMusic1 no, this actually does not follow EU guidelines. Be sure Apple will have to redo this in order to avoid massive EU fines.

[@D1AM0NDD]

Are you sure that's true? I don't think starting an app store costs over $1m, otherwise, stuff like fdroid probably wouldn't be around

[@D1AM0NDD]

To add, of course later on it probably costs a lot more, but the down payments your suggesting seem unreasonable

[@speedracer123222]

@@D1AM0NDD it does, wish I can link it. KZbin removed it. It’s part of enrollment for doing an app market.

[@vismortis]

The app security thing is like Mac with a mojor difference Mac does the auto/security thing but your free to ignore the warnings or turn off the restriction. You can’t on iOS

[@gduckstudios]

It’s about time that Apple finally lets Xbox and other game streaming services to have their own dedicated streaming apps on iOS devices instead of using the iOS web browser. It will be interesting to see all of this show up on iOS devices. Can’t wait to try them out. I wonder if this would pertain to the newly announced Apple Vision Pro, the Mac Computers and the Apple TV as well. It’s going to be interesting.

[@achimidler8015]

I welcome all these changes and fought for them for a long time. However, for now, I will only change my default browser to Firefox and continue to use Apple Pay and only the Apple App Store.

[@D1AM0NDD]

You can't use Firefox because they will probably switch off apples webkit to their own, which will soon be allowed. So if your sticking to all apple, then you need to find a new browser

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@D1AM0NDD nope. That's where you are totally wrong. We can use Firefox with Apple Pay and App Store no problem. Please don't spread misinformation.

[@dennisjames9091]

Until your favorite apps will be 30% cheaper on other stores.

[@alexa9771]

@@dennisjames9091 dude. all of this has been for the companies getting this 30%, not for giving the customer their product with a 30% off

[@St3mi02]

Fought for them? You mean commenting on the internet?

[@user9b2]

How will Apple make money? This article seems to be missing a lot of information.

[@Tahshae]

Can you make an app that allows ssn and id to be digital instead of in person? Like a debit card is digital why can ssn or id

[@Shadow_bunny365]

Will I be able to use an Autoclicker now?

[@gazwj]

As a Brit I would like to take this opportunity once again to say… F*** Brexit 🙄🙄🙄

[@PhilipMarcYT]

Oh yeah you're missing out on not being able to download apps from yet another app store which probably requires to create an account. Dude, wake up. This isn't true sideloading 🤣

[@gazwj]

@@PhilipMarcYT i don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. Its a feature i would have received if it wasnt for Brexit. Regardless if its full side loading or not, its still nicer to have than not have so yeh… F*** Brexit

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@PhilipMarcYT be sure there's gonna be something like "open app store" which will offer any open source app from github in example. Or any app in general. So this is practically a sideloading. It's a big thing.

[@bdzsana]

​@@PhilipMarcYTI mean it works pretty well on PC like Steam, GoG

[@Aar0nDown]

I don’t like the third party App Store implementation,but every thing else sounds good. I live in Canada so this update doesn’t apply to me currently. I wish Apple would let everyone in the world set there own default maps app, Apple Maps is good, but I prefer google maps, I wish there was a setting so we could set our own maps app as our default apps so that way I could set google maps as my default and everything would use it. example: I ask Siri for directions she uses google maps because it is set as my default app, instead of siri forcing me to use Apple Maps when I ask her for directions. I wouldn’t have google maps if I didn’t want to use it, if I didn’t want to use google maps I would have never downloaded it in the first place and just used Apple Maps, so please Apple let us set our own default maps app for all our Apple devices.

[@Xg78]

I don't like sideloading and I am concerned that this could crush the iOS Security. And how can we be sure, that iOS will detect every malware from these Apps? I won't use this feature and stay with the regular App Store.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Calm down sheeple. This feature is optional. Don't like it? Don't use it. It won't affect your phone or security of your phone if you won't use it.

[@CatoTheSage]

Pretty terrible coverage of these changes. There is no mention of the excessively predatory and anticonsumer fees and restrictions that Apple will be placing on these third-party apps.

[@Old-Sole]

I will never use third party apps! I’m staying in the apple secure ecosystem!

[@unkown34x33]

I heard the cut apple is asking for the side devs, is insane! Like... 30% and paying $0.50 for every free download. I don't know how this is going to go. I'm not an apple user I'm just here for the ride.

[@Greg-fg1rd]

all of this seems to counterfeit the reason I use an iPhone. More secure, more privacy, and a gate keeper preventing a lot of the dismal junk google allows. (not that Apple Store apps don't track the hell out of you and have confusing price paradigms.)

[@LilBigHuge]

I agree but it seems like Apple is doing it in the Apple way that keeps these things you like. So you shouldn't notice any differences if you choose not to use these new features.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

then just continue using the iPhone the way you use it. It's always baffling home many people have issue with OPTIONAL feature. Just don't use it and let us smart users finally have it. It does not affect you at all.

[@rutgerrichard5175]

@@EvzenEmanuelthe problem is that not only “smart” users have acces to this garbage

[@nnnnnn3647]

I live in the EU and I am extremely unhappy with these changes. iPhone was a secure and relatively simple system. Now everything will be at risk and complicated. There will be thefts, mess with multiple suppliers, theft of money from banks and many problems that are related to Android. This is VERY BAD news.

[@nielsdeschaap]

I don't think you read how Apple will comply with the new EU laws, every app (even from third party app stores) has to go through Apple's review system, that means the same security standards have to be met (and why I think Fortnite will just get blocked by Apple). So it will stay the same secure system. Yes if users want to install apps from outside the Apple appstore it will be more complicated but nothing changes for users who only use the Apple app store. "theft of money from banks" Can you explain how this would be done when the security standards are the same? I think you are exaggerating

[@qiuqiu6962]

@@nielsdeschaapbig companies can force you to download from outside stores to “get full access” it’s going to be different for users

[@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd]

Just like on android, you can simply choose.... not to use it. You can even disable it altogether.

[@mamam7743]

@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd You can't disable it because many applications will only be available in other stores.

[@Adam90028]

Then don't use the new features 🤷

[@carpyet9507]

As much as I am happy for more consumer choice, I am afraid of the precedent this sets for government control over business.

[@Russia_Moscow_countryhuman]

Finally! We get alternative app stores!

[@steveno7058]

alternate app stores still need to go through Apple for approval. So many apps still won't make it

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 not really. Alternate app stores can now offer any app for any price. Cope.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 no it won't, stop spreading these lies.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 that will be just basic check. Apple can't discriminate apps anymore by let's say categories. Emulators and adult app have to be allowed if they will not contain actual malware.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@stevano7058 Apple can't deny app based on its category. Adult, emulators, alternate browsers and other kinds of apps currently disallowed in the App Store will be allowed and Apple can't deny these apps just based on their category and their App Store rules. So you are quite wrong here. They can however deny apps containing obvious malware.

[@elaidemichel2950]

What is side loading? If I live in America, Will I download apps in the App Store?

[@CheekyTheCheekster]

Third party apps mean installing apps outside of App Store, if you have android, you can install any app without having to root your device. On iOS you can’t install apps outside of AppStore, unless you pay apple

[@SuperWolfkin]

Side loading is to practice of installing apps that don't come directly from the app store. So for instance, on an iPhone when people used to jailbreak them and then install apps that were no longer on the app store that is side loading. On Android apps are in what are called APK files. If you can download an APK from somewhere, you can open it on your Android phone and it will install so you don't have to use the app store. On iOS you can download apps. You can't install them unless you jailbroken your iPhone because Apple doesn't allow that. This new rule means that Apple will allow some way of installing apps that don't go through the app store. This typically means things like you can pay epic for fortnite directly on the epic store rather than the Apple store. That said, there are a lot of restrictions. One of the major ones is you have to have the same app in the iOS app store that you have on your own app store. So for instance, epic with fortnite would have to have the same version of fortnite in the app store that they have on their store. That kind of defeats the purpose of the whole personalized app store because epic might for instance want to allow people to pay for in that purchases directly in the app. But that's against Apple's rules. So they would have to not allow that on their app store because it's not allowed on Apple's app store.

[@razorbackroar]

@@SuperWolfkinbro do you know when we’re gonna get it in America

[@arman_cooldude]

Will this affect EU candidates? Like Bosnia, Albania etc. Cause they have a very strong connection with the EU and will join soon.

[@andrejstemmle606]

What I‘ve forgotten, thank God Switzerland IS NOT IN THE EU

[@TarekTarek-sj4vi]

Possible to download apks?

[@SyndiGlo]

No, that’s android software. You need iPhone hardware developed .filetypes

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Download yes. Install on iPhone? No.

[@TheGoofiestGoober]

Apk’s aren’t made for or to function on iOS

[@lexa7250]

Apk is android, u know nothing about Apple and it shows 😅

[@lexa7250]

And fandroids are supposed to be the tech savvy ones right 😅

[@drb5003]

I Repeat.. Apple is not allowing a 3rd Party App Store in the US...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mothaclysm]

i find it funny that they're only doing this in the EU... they REALLY want that monopoly huh.

[@sezzzi1]

Nothing major at all a few emojis and a clock and that it. im in the uk and the alternative app stores arnt even availabel yet if they ever will be even so this update is pointless.

[@St3mi02]

Ever heard of Brexit?

[@sezzzi1]

@@St3mi02 I have it every morning 😁

[@Mooooooof]

Apple will still have a lot of control over these third party app stores where they’ve been ok’d by them. I’m guessing they’ll be distributed on the App Store itself, not installable another way.

[@obvinpro]

Apps can be installed using .ipa files

[@commentarysheep]

@@obvinpro That’s false, only store IPAs can be installed.

[@YISTECH]

Are we talking about the currenr state of ios? Because you can sideload non store ipas rn, using sideloadly or altstore​@@commentarysheep

[@valdius85]

It is about the payment and payment brings money for the developing company.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@commentarysheep you don't know for sure what exactly can be installed. This functionality is not out yet. Also EU may not be happy with Apple's approach and thus force Apple to open up more.

[@craigwoodgate7120]

I will not be downloading apps from outside the apple App Store

[@LilleboHaugen]

ok

[@D.AverageJoe]

If this happens in the US then I will switch to iPhone.

[@freiteez]

Wasn’t this the whole reason Fortnite got taken down? Maybe there will be a comeback if you can go to an outside store to purchase the vbucks just like they wanted.

[@slimy95]

I may have misunderstood, but I've had chrome as my default browser on my iPhone for many years now

[@derfakeaccount5183]

Yes, but without the Chromium Engine. Chrome, by now, has to use Safari´s WebKit Engine on iOS. So basically the Chrome and Firefox Apps were just safari with a different design and added features.

[@SideshowBob44]

It just gives you a choice when you first get the phone set up basically, pretty pointless.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@SideshowBob44 no, you totally misunderstood the point. It really is not just about choice when setting up the phone. Current browsers are all just Safari under the skin. Now, the EU can finally have proper full blown alternate browsers. Like real Firefox or Chrome.

[@SideshowBob44]

@@EvzenEmanuel Ah I see, didn't know that, thanks

[@JonnMcLoed-vo3fe]

This is a horrible idea as it opens up Apple to problems with third party software and more malware….hopefully it won’t impact security to much

[@ratchet2266]

? then dont use it

[@OaAo-vd7tr]

Bro believes apple propaganda💀

[@dennisjames9091]

Please snap out of the propaganda...:)

[@Bhaveshk]

Discuss it in detail, apple is complying in bad faith. Just because you are apple centric doesn't mean you cant criticize/evaluate the new app store rule properly

[@chuzamuza5771]

Is it available in pakistan

[@kevin-55]

no only EU

[@06howea1]

people should be mad about this

[@Snayps]

I live in EU - and I don’t want that.

[@nnnnnn3647]

Yes me too.

[@nicoamiri9489]

Then don’t use it 😊

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Ok, thank you for the information and good bye. I don't want fish, so I ignore them. Hope this information suits you well too.

[@ibrahimswiss8714]

I don't get it fully, all my subscriptions are through apple. It's easier to cancel any subscription in the Apple environment and I like that. Will it be the same, will apple take care of us as usual. Let us know, update us when possible please.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

yes, Apple will continue to take care of the sheeps. Don't worry. Nothing changes for you.

[@PhilipMarcYT]

"Apple will take care of us" I can't believe the comments in this section. Pathetic.

[@KuddleKittens]

​@@PhilipMarcYTit's actually wild lmfao

[@ralnou]

Totally agree with you, same here. I prefer Apple distribution to any other crappy ux and ui these other (also for profit but less competent) companies will come up with just to have a bigger piece of the pie themselves.

[@ralnou]

The reason people choose Apple is for this exact reason.

[@connors1746]

All of this sounds terrible. Don't like Apple's closed ecosystem, don't buy an iPhone. Stop telling a private company what to do with their products.

[@Max86421]

Android ai phones way ahead of iPhones 💯

[@jc321]

Great news!!

[@lucianonogara9122]

Hy, I not understand if the new rules in EU it’s only for iPhone or also for iPad. Thanks.

[@AL5520]

Right at the start (0:06) he says "iPhone and iPad users"

[@patricknikola_]

Looks like what's mentioned in the video is incorrect, I'm seeing several blogposts that say iPadOS is not part of the Digital Markets Act. There is also no mention of iPadOS on Apple's own page: "iOS 17.4 SDK introduces new capabilities that let marketplace developers build and distribute marketplace iOS apps as part of an alternative app marketplace in the EU."

[@AL5520]

@@patricknikola_ Apple's terms are very confusing and it' 100% intentional. As for non iOS platforms, they say "For apps on iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS, developers who use alternative payment processing will get a 3% discount on the commission they owe to Apple". The rest only applies to iOS (unless they say otherwise on other pages, i have found contradictions between different official Apple pages on this matter).

[@EnzoTheMenace]

About time

[@dee4071]

Is android doing this? 😅

[@threddast]

Android has always allowed sideloading, you can literally code your own app and distribute it freely

[@PhilipMarcYT]

We actually can sideload unlike Apple users. Your "sideloading" requires an alt app store.

[@andrejstemmle606]

Let's wait and see how long it takes before the first iPhone owners start complaining about the problems they've been having since they started using side loading. How stupid do you have to be? Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭

[@NovruzMemmedzade]

Hello AppleDroid :)

[@Steamprod]

Now the EU should force Apple to choose default navigation So finally garbage Apple Maps will no longer exist

[@typingcat]

Can't Apple fuck off when the user wants so? Why should Apple make sure that an alternative app store meets Apple's "criteria for customer experience"? If a customer wanted that, he would simply be using Apple's App Store. The very reason he is trying to use another app store is to get out of Apple's control. This is like a man telling his girlfriend that he would agree to breaking up with her, if and only if her new boyfriend meets his criteria.

[@brunombessa]

This EU new rule is absolutely ridiculous. That would never enter my iPhone or iPad…

[@EyesOfByes]

YEEEEEEEEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ftlPhysicsGuy]

I think too much of free market principles to celebrate a government having this much control over what a company can do with its own products. It doesn't matter if I like the results or not, it's the principle of the thing. I felt the same way about the move to USB-C. I LOVE having USB-C on the iPhone, but it shouldn't be the role of a government to force Apple into such a decision. Just my $0.02.

[@Hanneskitz]

Regulation rules and companies have to do, what governments (we) want.

[@hsvr]

Your government also doesn’t let you smoke weed

[@andrewjones-productions]

I've never understood Apple's hypocrisy on the difference of what is allowed on a Mac not being allowed on iOS. It is high time that governments clamped down on these tech giants. The EU also needs to start looking at ensuring that OS and iOS is available in every language that is used in every country and region and not only in the languages that Apple et al determine are valid. Even when they claim a language to be available it is often nothing more than a token half-baked attempt and is frequently patchy. Even this comment section of KZbin underlines words spelled in UK English to be 'wrong' despite the OS and KZbin language setting set to UK English. Japan also is looking at introducing legislation that will force Apple et al to allow third party apps. I think other countries will also follow. Governments should however, be careful of going too far in their legislation. Nevertheless, the tech giants have become overly arrogant and a bit of a pull down is necessary to strike the right balance between what is good about each tech company and what is good for the consumer.

[@thillesheim]

“Alternative” App Store aka Apple doesn’t want to distribute porn apps but someone else can.

[@hsvr]

Is that the most intellectual argument you could think of?

[@thillesheim]

@@hsvr no

[@thillesheim]

@@hsvr i could have said “adult entertainment applications” or “pornography” or “pornographic content”

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@hsvr his argument is great though. Just replace porn apps with emulator apps or mildly violent games etc. There's many apps Apple is censoring no matter it's actual legality or safety.

[@hsvr]

@@EvzenEmanuel how's his argument great? it still makes no sense. Don't make me cook you bro..

[@fishmarkholmes1834]

Japan is the next.

[@franciscocamara8311]

My iPhone is from England, but I’m in South America now. Will it still work for me?

[@kekchanbiggestfan]

Brexit means App Store sorry 😂

[@Hydraas]

The UK isn't in the EU so there is no difference

[@Max86421]

Apple too selfish 💯

[@Dylan_0130]

Changing the default browser has been a thing

[@D1AM0NDD]

Yah but they've all basically been a skin under the hood, but now Browder developers can basically port other rendering engines and stuff

[@lee99bay]

Finally

[@andrejstemmle606]

One thing I know FOR SURE, I will never use Side Loading, just to save money, very short-sighted, but like they say: Karma‘s a bitch

[@davehugstrees]

When iOS 17.4 is released, the default App Store will be dead overnight because of how bad it is. Maybe Apple will make some much needed improvements, but I doubt it.

[@nnnnnn3647]

Bad? Nope.

[@Not_stoked]

Unless it’s game pass or steam. I won’t be touching this.

[@Adamkilla9000]

They BETTER MAKE IT AVAILABLE IN THE USA 2:42

[@maravreloaded]

Let's hope this brings Fortnite back we know many iOS users still miss it.

[@MichaelRyan-l3p]

Sounds like a dumb idea .. when people get viruses & other things Via outta the certified store lol. Don’t come blaming apple lol blame ur Eu 😂😂

[@DjangoGroen]

i can already use another browser on 17.3 and even older versions. also i can set it on defailt already

[@Jaraizer]

not really, its Safari with a skin. 17.4 will allow actual 3rd party browsers with their own rendering engines

[@somedude5353]

Lol, hook line and sinker this guy

[@DjangoGroen]

@@Jaraizer I know about the engine. But I still can use other browsers as default. Reskin or not 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@DjangoGroen "other browsers" is quite strong word when it's just one same browser (Safari) under the hood. Forced by the Apple.

[@DjangoGroen]

@@EvzenEmanuel I use chrome to sync my stuff via google 🤷🏻‍♂️ can’t do that on safari

[@Marciap17]

As an European, as I hear this, I am not interested at all. Hard enough to figure out which app in each category from the Apple Store. Let’s see. I won’t waste my time in this matter. Thanks for the video and for letting us know.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

as a European this is one of the biggest iOS news for me in years. This will enhance the experience of iOS massively. Especially full featured alternative browsers.

[@GrizzlyHD277]

@@EvzenEmanuel This will greatly increase risk to privacy and security, that's why IOS phones do so well they aren't like android which is filled with Malware. I will be staying well away from this crap and would rather there be an option to keep everything exactly the same.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@GrizzlyHD277 nope. It will increase the security for those smart users who will install open source instead of the Apple App Store closed crap where you don't know how much the app is stalking on out.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@GrizzlyHD277 nope. It will not decrease the security. Don't eat that apple propaganda so much. We can install any software we want on the macOS too and it's fine. Also this feature is optional. Are you afraid? Can't recognize good or wrong app? Don't use it. Easy as that. Nothing changes for you.

[@owenchuarbx]

I did agree on using USB-C as the standard charging port but sideloading is something I don’t agree it should be with Apple’s iOS anywhere

[@PhilipMarcYT]

This isn't actual sideloading so you can calm down.

[@xWonders_worldx]

Dont fukin use it then

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@PhilipMarcYT this is actual sideloading. And you don't have to use it at all. How hard is it to just ignore this feature and continue to use just Apple App Store?

[@topcomp1066]

@@EvzenEmanuelExactly! I don't really understand these Apple fanboys who literally defend Apple for giving less and charging more..

[@andrejstemmle606]

Unfortunately Apple has not given the EU the middle finger, because I think, the EU needs Apple MORE, than the other way around. Hopefully this system to coerce Apple into doing things, they would never have done of their own accord, set a precedent and attracts more bullies like the EU Greetings from Helvetia 🇨🇭

[@nathanwolf5547]

I’d rather have the security of the way things are done now.

[@AL5520]

First of all, no one is forcing you to install or use alternative app sore or alternative payment methods but you have an option to do so if you choose. As for security, this works on Android for years and there is no security risk and, like with everything else in life, if you take some basic measures and logic before you act you should be fine. Another thing Android does for years (although many don't know it) is to keep an up to date system (through Google Play Services) regardless of the OS version (works from Android 5 and up) that, among other things, scans all apps for malware, regardless of the sours of those apps. Any app also needs the user permission to use different elements (like location, camera, microscope etc). Apple is going to do the same thing on iOS.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Another sheeple forced to install outside of the Apple App Store by the gun on their head. Scary stuff. And one would have thought that this feature is optional, but it isn't. Many people are forced by the gun on their heads.

[@niomeda]

I use Chrome as default browser since iOS 14 or 15

[@AL5520]

The difference is that you'll be asked which one you want, now you need to be aware that you can change it, go to the settings and do it. Apart from that, and far more important, now browsers in the EU can use their own browsing engine. Right now all browsers on iOS use the Safari browsing engine as they are not allowed to use their own. Once the change is implemented Chrome, Edge and others will be able to use Chromium and Firefox will be able to use it's own Quantum browser engine.

[@niomeda]

@@AL5520 Yea, the browser engine part is exciting!

[@mahaelhag6892]

Most people around the World 🌎🌍🌎🌍🌎 who have an iPhone have photos from the YEARS 2022 2021 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 and beyond PERMENANTLY GONE FOR GOOD. An example would be Reyhan Ayas

[@smirkinggoku5435]

So there’s a chance now that Fortnite makes a return?

[@steveno7058]

No. To have an alternate store they would still need to go through Apple. And Epic violated the TOS

[@febsho9613]

Yes just announced it on twitter

[@febsho9613]

@@steveno7058get your facts right

[@smirkinggoku5435]

Lol yeah, they announced it on Twitter

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 stop spreading this nonsense. Of course there will be Fortnite in the alternate app store in the EU. That's the outcome of the DMA anti gatekeeper EU law.

[@luzbrillante7471]

I really doubt they gonna bring this to the US anytime soon. :(

[@Ruthzhiaolijianbaiduchin-wt5dt]

worst store deused system location ansya suspect world wide control proxy war palestine ai hallucinate

[@johnnyblaze5551]

They get Fortnite blah

[@rus4057]

Fortnite here we come

[@Ruthzhiaolijianbaiduchin-wt5dt]

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[@PabloFumale]

FORTNITE

[@oiausdlkasuldhflaksjdhoiausydo]

Thanks Europe… again!

[@steveno7058]

For what? Alternate app stores still need to go through Apple's approval process. Plus Apple can now change alternate app stores for each download. Many apps that you are hoping for still won't be available and Apple will reject it

[@oiausdlkasuldhflaksjdhoiausydo]

@@steveno7058 maybe but let’s see. There’s a chance for more openness now.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 nope. They wouldn't. That's not how the new EU DMA works. Apple can't reject apps in those alternate app stores. Finally the freedom!

[@EvzenEmanuel]

@@steveno7058 no, it won't. Stop spreading these lies. Read the actual DMA EU law instead.

[@topcomp1066]

@@steveno7058To be honest, I hope the EU will confront Apple about this, because Apple now made NO difference whatsoever between Apple controlling what app can go to the App Store, and what app can be Sideloaded.

[@XxBloggs]

Terrible idea using an alternative App Store. Apples competitive advantage is its secure eco system, there is no way I would use these.

[@Hydraas]

Just cos you don't want it doesn't make it a terrible idea

[@votdfak]

What's the difference between macOS and iOS?

[@Jason-se6dh]

@@votdfakyou have google bro

[@j340_official]

Mac allows you to download apps from anywhere including alternative app stores. What is the reason for difference in policy between Mac and iPad, given that both have same m1 and m2 chips?

[@prk55]

​@@Hydraas I think one reason is that although people say that they want alternative app stores. When it comes down to it hardly any will. Android has always allowed alternative app stores but very very few people use them. Even when the app store is promoted by the manufacturer of the device. On the other hand allowing apps like Xbox Game Pass to play the apps without having to stream in a web browser is a good idea. As is the alternative browser.

[@teddybearisms2505]

I want direct install. fuck apple.

[@danielgbaena]

💚🇪🇺

[@Pg-rt5vw]

Hopefully comes to USA so I can play Fortnite again or if not people will find a way to install it out side of eu the side loading

[@kirtymistry410]

This is disgusting!! I love apple all because of their eco-system and privacy! It’s sad to see how county are enforcing Apple to cut down its showstopper features. Apple is charging for something niche that they have developed & countries forcing them to give up on this niche is a terrible thing.

[@PhilipMarcYT]

Privacy? You gotta be kidding me. 🤣

[@prodbyhajime]

Well if privacy is a concern then just don’t use the side loading features?

[@PhilipMarcYT]

​@@prodbyhajimeWhat privacy? If they use their face to unlock their phone then they've given up privacy.

[@scottishwildcat]

Nothing about this changes any of Apple's own features. You can continue to use those and ignore all of the things announced today, with the same level of privacy and security as today.

[@D1AM0NDD]

They will probably have sideloading deactivated by default. Because on mac you can set where you allow apps to be downloaded from, I would be shocked if it weren't on ios considering apples stand on this. But you have nothing to worry about privacy wise, the only real incentive I see for a company to go off the app store is if they were banned, like fortnite, other than that, it would probably be a major loss profit wise considering people like you (no offense) who won't trust apps outside of the app store or don't even know you can.

[@fowzst]

This is truly awful. I live in the UK and wouldn’t allow side loading garbage on my devices, shudder. We left this mad environment years ago with all those shareware and freeware apps which side loaded viruses and other junk. This is the EU’s ego once again showing its bully side. We’re all still dealing with the littering of the internet with cookie banners and now this. Apples crazy App Store fees debacle got us here so it was bound to happen, but as a developer, you would feel a bit shamed for having an app in an ‘alternative’ store as you weren’t good enough to be in the main one where everyone else is. Awkward 😬. Not fussed about default browsers, meh really.

[@PhilipMarcYT]

The viruses typically happen because of the user who doesn't verify the app if it's clean or infected. You like being kept in baby mode, that's up to you.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Don't worry. Due to brexit this does not affect you at all. These features are only for EU, not for you. So chill out, nothing new for you, just plain old App Store inside of the walled Apple garden.

[@scottishwildcat]

I live in the EU and won't be side-loading any garbage on my devices following this announcement either, just like I never have on my Android phone, or on my Mac. Even if I wanted to, all Apple's protections are still in place for 3rd-party app stores. Every app they sell is still subject to code review and confined to its own little sandbox, so they can't mess up any system files, and they can't randomly turn on your camera or your microphone.

[@topcomp1066]

God please don't even comment on topics you don't understand lol. I'm sorry but I'm just so pissed that Apple fanboys cry and complain about Apple FINALLY giving us somewhat freedom over a device that WE OWN. NO ONE is forcing you to sideload. And the only times when you get viruses from sideloading is when YOU, amateur incompetent user download it in suspicious adult apps or hacked / modified games (I am looking at all the Roblox kids). Also, from your point of view, you also must have Windows and MacOs too. Since sideloading IS a big part of these two operating systems.

[@l00tur]

Then clearly you aren’t aware of what happens when a tech giant like Apple monopolizes an entire industry to the point of obscenity. You don’t see an issue now because we thankfully never got to that point but we were close with the battery management fiasco, right to repair litigation, loss of key apps like Dark Sky, and up until recently, all browser activity was done through Safari, regardless of the browser you utilized, it was still safari rendering nearly all traffic before it reached chrome/firefox/etc. You’re welcome to speak for yourself and your stance, but your opinion is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Ask yourself, are you happy with Microsoft being the only real option for productivity apps like Office, I’d wager your answer would be no.

[@MSS47Ag]

RIP iPhone 2007-2024. You will be missed⚰️🪦😭 Thanks to a vocal minority in cohort with an extremely undemocratic ‘governmental body’, only 1 choice and 1 philosophy remains: the grimy, shady, malware infested illusion of ‘increased choice’ a la Android, is now forced upon those who purposefully choose a ‘closed’ system philosophy by *THEMSELVES* 16.7.2 / 17.3 will be the last version(s) on all my devices for an extremely long time; after that, it will be non-EU imported devices. I will not accept any underlying code that make possible running these changes to go into effect😡 #notmyEU ❌

[@kennybruhbruh]

Stop crying, I don’t get ppl like you. If you don’t like using 3rd party software, anything outside of App Store, you’re not forced to do so. You still have a option to stay 100% Apple and just don’t use 3rd party app stores. Nothing malicious will find it’s way to Apple’s app store so just chill

[@Jaraizer]

I sure hope you don't use a Mac because that's even more open than these new rules. If you do it must be grimy and malware infested

[@scottishwildcat]

Boo hoo.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

truly sheeple moment right there. Booohooo Apple have to open more. Cry more. It's an OPTIONAL feature for gods sake. If you don't like it, don't use it. Nothing changes for you.

[@rutgerrichard5175]

@@kennybruhbruhyeah, but less technology savy users might download something of these shady stores, that’s the point. I am already dreading my mom getting some malware infested app from some shady-ass unregulated store…