Adult witness recounts Apple River stabbing

[@scottsmith9192]

I have watched the video multiple times, my opinion doesn’t matter on who’s guilty or who’s not. What does matter is I showed my 18 year old son the video, who looks a bit like the young man that passed, because I wanted him to see how a situation could turn out. I felt it was very important for him to see it. My suggestion is some of you do the same, maybe things like this wouldn’t happen as often. It saddens me that young man passed away over this.

[@erinjordan6972]

Way to go Mom, and kudos clearly you’re not an enabling parent👌

[@laurav9661]

Yes exactly what my thoughts are. Life can change in seconds from a stupid encounter because of a flash of anger, andor impaired judgement because of alcohol or substances.

[@Who_attackedFirst]

Sounds like you son isnt harrassing old men in river and shoving them into the water while calling people to action via "pedophile" amd "raper"

[@90texas]

Get your son self defense classes as well. That guy could’ve been stopped very easily if anyone had any type of hand to hand combat training.

[@MaryHartman-ei9pv]

​@erinjordan6972 exactly another parent who is part of the problem!!!💯💯💯💯😡

[@giama7618]

The dad said it best that drunks cause a lot of problem

[@floridafishingandfitness5735]

That's why alcohol is the only legal drug in all 50 states. Keeps the court system flowing. Between DUI's, assaults and stupid, drunken behavior they will always have someone to arrest and run through the system.

[@spencerj4677]

​@@floridafishingandfitness5735 that's an interesting theory

[@rights_are_god_given]

Right, he was probably drunk too.

[@valentinius62]

Alcoholics are a major PIA.

[@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz]

@@floridafishingandfitness5735Powerful lobbies behind pushing that firewater . Cant stand drunks.

[@jamiechrist8394]

I hate how attorneys are allowed to try and twist a person's words around

[@kimthreadgold2755]

Witnesses do the same thing and lie.

[@kimthreadgold2755]

Defense is excellent and catching witnesses in lies.

[@kimthreadgold2755]

Defense is tearing the father apart.

[@steelhurricane4041]

I hate that too. You have to not let your emotions get the best of you. Just untwist their words.

[@unclescipio3136]

Everyone is entitled to a defense. Even drunken old cowards with no self-control.

[@justinejustice_league1857]

You ask a witness what they saw only to tell them they didnt see it..A master class in coercion and gaslighting

[@rockstarofredondo]

Witnesses lie, misremember and communicate poorly. Video does not. Comparing what one says with what’s on video is not gaslighting or coercion lol

[@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS999]

Well… errr… EVERYONE (including the self righteous Carlsons) are misremembering and have misrepresented this situation. Half are playing it up and half are playing it down. It’s actually fascinating because a lot of it is most likely genuine misremembering but it shows the crap courts have been relying on over the years.

[@justinejustice_league1857]

@@google_is_a_criminal That attorney likes to mince words and play around with context. How you "approach" someone definitely has a correlation on how you'll be received. The fact that Mui was charging or running at those people was not an opinion. However this attorney wants to negate or totally erase context and simply call it "approaching" someone. He does this all throughout his cross examinations so much that even the judge was getting impatient. Time works against recollection and attorneys actually bet on this helping their client but it doesn't mean the witness is trying to deceive the court.

[@FRESHL1887]

No, just the ordinary 101 trial basics class of law school.

[@barcodebattler2587]

Even his own son contradicted him😅 everyone is lying that they heard the thugs shouting help and that nick hit maddie. They are doing this to justify their mob behaviour, p.s it doesn't even justify their behaviour

[@charlesswanson20]

Why would you send your children into a dangerous situation intentionally????

[@rights_are_god_given]

He's an idiot.

[@TheSingingGardener]

No one could’ve predicted what would happen.. as he stated he sent his boys do deescalate the situation because he himself can’t walk that great… the defendant took the first blow by slapping/punching one of the girls and he ended it by stabbing 5 of the kids and killing one. Stop making excuses for the murderer

[@The_Brew_Dog]

They were adults, his “children” are adults.

[@kellym4747]

@@The_Brew_Dog and he said they worked at the bar with him and were very good at de-escalating things. Didn’t sound like this one went so well though.

[@seeno1]

@@TheSingingGardenerwhich is exactly why he shouldn’t have sent his children to involve especially when they’ve been drinking. He doesn’t know anything about whats going on. White people have trouble with minding their business.

[@misssweetpea2890]

There wer so many bad choices made in this tragic encounter 😔

[@dudemorris7769]

Lesson learned. Jury isn’t going to find guilty as it was 11 against 1 & he was being beat up and protected himself.

[@Amanda---]

@@dudemorris7769 Equal force

[@sierrannomad]

1 person was wrong, the killer, he could have walked away, they are kids.

[@thomascolbert2687]

​@@Amanda---13 on 1.

[@thomascolbert2687]

​@@sierrannomadHe tried to walk away. He was stopped by two drunk broads who(of course) escalated things

[@lbar2458]

Dude told his sons to go into what he already thought was a dangerous situation that needed deescalated. Wow

[@leedavis3704]

His sons are grown men who work in a bar and. Work with drunk people, they work in the dads bar with drunk people, they know how to deal with-escalate a drunk person obnoxious behavior!

[@stugrant01]

@@leedavis3704 You forgot that his two sons were also drunk, and that they were real good at escalating situations.

[@melissacoxen6001]

Did you hear the testimony. He said that the guy appeared drunk and his kids worked in a bar they owned and they de-escalate situations in a bar. De-escalation isn't always only physical. You can de-escalate an animated discussion. It's not always referring to physical violence, or danger. They didn't know the guy had a weapon or was anything other than just a drunk guy mouthing off, and acting stupid.

[@stugrant01]

@@melissacoxen6001 Actually, the father originally told the police that he had told his sons to go protect the old man from the raging mob, but when the young men's drunken girlfriends went also, they escalated the situation, as did Miu, and then the two drunken sons of the bartender jumped in as well to escalate even more, followed by Miu escalating even more. You might call that deescalation, but those of us that are sober call it escalation.

[@dukenukembubblegum7311]

@@sophiesnuffy2563obviously he’s going to say that though, I mean it’s his sons, not only is he trying not to get them in trouble, but also make them sound heroic. A parent as a witness is never going to be completely credible for family preservation sake

[@nicolasfernando890]

What a terrible and pathetic father

[@Otis-and-Chloe]

This is a straight up horror movie

[@Theresa89]

I was listening to this last night in bed . The last thing I remember hearing was the screams of the people before I fell asleep . I woke up from a bad dream hours later . It really was a horror movie .

[@RedHorseman66]

Jason Vorhees

[@Arklay_Ishimura]

Not really. It's a group of dumb kids fucking around and finding out. Night of The Living Dead is a horror movie. This is just both sad and hilarious. The left wants to be drama queens so they can outlaw self defense with a weapon.

[@ryshellso526]

Aliens chest burster scene but with a broccoli headed zoomer freak...😂😂😂

[@Aromapablo]

Bro, and the ppl on KZbin leaving crazy comments omg. America is fucked if they don’t know what law is. What killing another person is

[@BlaineO]

EVERYONE better be showing their kids this court case. This is a great example of what could happen if you unnecessarily mess with the wrong person. (Some folks are crazy) I don’t care who’s right or wrong…..keep to yourself/group and if you “have to” speak with someone, simply BE KIND! In no way am I taking up for the man that stabbed this boy, it’s terrible. I’m just making the point that kids do stupid things just like I did as a kid but kids these days seem that they do not foresee consequences for some reason. (PARENTING)

[@Sisflowflow]

Perfectly stated!

[@rainbows9060]

Devices are the new parents..

[@starpowers1737]

The new teens are becoming more reckless and lack of maturity because of what they see on those online KZbinrs or games they play. Lack of proper right education.

[@justice-jb5ld]

The bully went towards the kids looking for trouble, to fight with them. You can tell by the way he used his knife, that he was very experienced, not the first time he did it. I suggest people should tell their kids that whenever they encounter a bully, like the defendant, they need to go away themselves, to run from the place, because bullies don’t go away, they are there to hurt people and cause as much damage as they could possibly can, like in this case.

[@starpowers1737]

@@justice-jb5ld the bullies are the teenagers not him. Watch the full video.

[@jeraleewood5969]

90 seconds changed so many lives FOREVER!

[@jr5993]

Happens very often unfortunately

[@OKOK-hm2is]

No. No 90 seconds. 17 years of bad parenthood, which lead to unavoidable result.

[@ZA-co9vj]

A horrific act of violence that could have been avoided by ALL. Walk away or call the police! Sad!

[@Eeohippus]

Oh yeah call the police, because they never Escalate anything or kill the wrong people

[@bradyspace]

The teenagers are high and drunk. Why would they want to get the police involved?

[@AJ-Gems101]

Walk! away?! HOW!!! The drunk nuisance teens kicking pushing hitting.... how was he supposed to walk away from that!!! And I have been in a situation like this when I was younger it was not this drastic but I can understand how this man could have panicked and reacted due to fear of his life. However I am saddened that this young man lost his life.

[@katshades]

The video shows Miu walking away. Then the hang surrounds him. Have you seen the video?

[@A-Jaxxx]

@@katshades lol ok, good thing you’re not on the jury.

[@Nyx0npaws]

The youth attacked first, provoked and cut the man off so he couldn't get back to his group. He had every reason to fear for his life

[@rcbrown22]

Agreed 💯

[@mrbungle589]

50+ years old you're gonna run up on some drunk kids grab at their tubes that were Heckling you and expect to walk away unscathed? You've never been on the Apple River

[@killinqz]

No lol they told him to leave multiple times and he just didn’t want to leave. He had his knife ready while they were telling him to leave.

[@TrickponyCripple]

Which of his kids are good at de-escalation?

[@gillianharper-ward7877]

Exactly

[@cortneyrens]

Lol, was thinking the same thing, the evidence stated otherwise

[@TheOtherBoleynGirl336]

The linebacker daughter or the greasy little son wearing his dad’s jacket?

[@HockeyandHeels]

What is wrong with people commenting? The tried to help, this guy is a psychopath who was drunk and crazy and had a big aggressive knife while floating down the river- nobody could’ve stopped a crazed person like him.

[@Grammichal]

@@HockeyandHeels Big aggressive knife? A pocket knife.

[@LH74]

20:43 “I was worried that they were gonna gang up on him.” There you have a case for legal self defense.

[@Music4EverKanekavi]

She absolutely punched a girl which created a physical altercation. The murderer was the guy to start the first physical altercation. Do you wish that statement alone meant self-defense?

[@Music4EverKanekavi]

Either way, I appreciate your time stamping

[@mr.martyr8573]

That's not how any of that works.

[@6468May]

How is that a case for self defense

[@bobbyraejohnson]

@@Music4EverKanekavino they were up in his face I would be pissed too if people were yelling at me trying to tell me what to do. People have a right to stand their ground.

[@westie420uk]

I couldnt imagine how guilty i would feel if i aent my son into a situation that resulted him getting stabbed.

[@Missglam67]

Yes, I agree that would be devastating. So I wouldn’t send my son into would could be a potentially dangerous situation. Frankly, I have seen similar situations like this but thankfully nobody died or was seriously injured and it’s hard to say what I would have done but I know I would ever send my sons to get in the mix.

[@sciencefirst7880]

They will never get a first degree murder conviction. The prosecution should've gone for a lesser charge.

[@SusieQ1971]

Don't they give the jury the option for lesser charges? A lot of times if they are iffy on being able to prove a charge they give lesser charges as options.

[@pedrofan34]

Exactly… 2nd degree murder is for certain situations in Wisconsin. One of which includes “Unnecessary defensive force - The defendant genuinely believed they or another person was in imminent danger of death or serious physical injury and that the force they used was necessary to defend whoever was endangered, but the belief of danger or the force being necessary was not reasonable.” I think this fits here MUCH better than 1st degree. The defendent could have thought he was acting in self defense and all the prosecution would have had to prove was the self defense was unreasonable. Eg he stabbed 5 people, killing one, and the defendent suffered no major injuries. That’s really tough to argue against

[@schlomoshekelstein908]

that wouldn't be hard to argue against. it was like 7v1 and they kept shoving him into the water lmfao, he was on his KNEES when guy got stabbed, and it wasn't even really a stab, the dumbass leapt on the knife and impaled himself. are you forgetting there's VIDEO of what happened?@@pedrofan34

[@jeanniep1003]

I thought so too at first until the testimony that he returned to his group, but went back and that’s when he was confronted by Maddison and hit/punched/slapped her…that wasn’t self-defense. The moment he decided to go back upstream is the moment this became a first degree case. That said, Miu’s attorneys also represented Kyle Rittenhouse’s self-defense case successfully so who knows how this will turn out.

[@schlomoshekelstein908]

wasnt on video, and the witnesses can't get their story straight. nobody told the cops he hit a woman, it wasn't until 2 years later when theyre in court@@jeanniep1003

[@Herr2Cents]

It's a great warning to think before getting involved with a fight.

[@modernisto]

It’s wants a fight until Nicolai decided to punch a woman and then proceeded to go on a stabathon.

[@Herr2Cents]

​@modernisto There were no sane,thoughtful people involved from what I could see. Only an escalation of aggression that led to an unfortunate situation. I've seen this on the streets and with road rage. Just think if everyone just chilled out and backed away never to see each other for the rest of their lives. De-escalate a situation if you can.

[@reneap9049]

True, our friend jumped in to help a woman in an altercation with another woman in a parking lot and got shot in the neck. He’s now paralyzed from the neck down. Stay out of others drama.

[@angiejorah]

@@modernisto No credible evidence he punched a woman. You can see in the video the women in his face yelling at him.

[@angiejorah]

And that is all the men needed to attack Mui. For nothing. Mui only defended himself. Not Guilty.

[@celticwarrior777]

All of you need to calm down. People can comment and have a sane discussion without being rude.

[@EBeverly-gv4ln]

Have you been paying attention to the devolution of discourse that has happened over the last decade or so? No, most people can’t do it without being rude 😂

[@princessbuttercup5928]

@@EBeverly-gv4lnTruly. It’s rare to see civil discussion almost anywhere. People feel emboldened to be as rude as possible in many instances

[@gingerfeliciano9531]

It's nice to see civilized people still existed. What are we down to 12% now? Maybe less?

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

​@@EBeverly-gv4lnThis disgusting behavior by grown adults directly correlates with a certain someone taking power. A person whose only accomplishment was giving people permission to hate, disrespect, mock, treat others poorly and become violent toward others who are different and/or don't agree with them.

[@paladro]

did you just ask people to be reasonable in yt comments?

[@MrMooremelody]

no way her eye is going to swell in 1 minute.

[@SatSun-op9dp]

This shows how well you need to be aware of what you say to the police immediately after any kind of incident.

[@KariJohnson-dq8iy]

Yes he twisted every word.

[@me-hp7vh]

Oh it was blatantly obvious dad was out to have a good birthday with his kids🎉 Had he been alert and treated the situation as he would in his bar, I'd imagine he'd do what he did. Send his boys/men over to bounce, go in strong and quickly and deescalate. Water and tubes made for a slippery wreck of a bouncing job. The old man meant well. To chill out the drinking teens from a man. Problem is that the man made a decision to pull a knife and use it... In excess 😢 it was war for him. Intent to kill. It took a bit for people to realize he wasn't just throwing fists like a drunk bar fight, he had a small knife in his fist. The shock alone of the escalation to blood bath yeah Dad shoulda gone silent, lots of shoulda dones for lots of people. I've witnessed a fatal car crash, no one was partying. We as spectators did what was needed. I sat with the driver that lost a best friend instantly. .. I knew he was in shock and I told him this was not your fault, there was nothing you could do at the road speed just feet away from the intersection when the light turned yellow. That day a man chose to turn in front of them, hesitated, then gunned it, damage done. I'm so grateful to have had my head in a good place to be extremely aware of every unfolding detail visible. We can take away so many lessons from these types of experiences. I knew my statement and as for the news, on my terms I'd give them a statement under my conditions. No picture of the scene on the front page. God Bless all these people, God Bless U.S. all. We need your wisdom and guidance more than ever

[@candykane4271]

Be like Ruby Franke and zip it.

[@mikehoncho5389]

Rule number 1, never talk to the police.

[@jenninscho1980]

SAY LAWYER ONLY!

[@BIGSID320]

I don’t understand how this man sent his people to “save” the guy from being beaten up and instead they get into his face and holler “Get the F out”? 🤔

[@badinfluence3814]

Because he's full of shit.

[@rcbrown22]

Good question !

[@marie-michelleanderson2851]

He sent them to defuse the situation perhaps initially but it was as he said his boys were good at defusing fights.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@marie-michelleanderson2851his sons are clearly not good at deescalation at all. This toothless alcoholic family caused this entire thing.

[@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS999]

It would be hysterical if it wasn’t so tragic that he sent them to de escalate and they (at least Dante & AJ) ESCALATED! Makes me wonder if Tony was actually sent to de escalate Dante. I would imagine that hand grenade has got form.

[@paw-prints839]

This is sad. Not once till his wife testified did anyone say that Miu was drinking. All or 99% of all were drinking. They were all out to have a good time. This defense lawyer is so annoying

[@archiesmum8601]

I'm pretty sure the wife said they had video from when they stopped to eat & drink. Was that video shown?

[@citizenoftheearth6]

why do you need alcohol to have a good time? THAT IS THE PROBLEM !

[@mariee.5912]

He is not judging tem for drinking. He is questioning their capabilities to remember or decision making.

[@terryellis7692]

He wants the jury to know that alcohol played a role..... because clearly it did. Alcohol RUINED my family and ruins countless other families and lives. Not many good things come from alcohol EVER. booze is garbage and makes most not all individuals act like dumasses. Me included at one point. I literally dont talk to 99% of my family because of alcohol and abuse. Again.... alcohol ruins lives, because it impairs your decision making and bodily functions. Not opinion. Facts. Plus on top of that it was underage drinking. These kids very well might of acted differently if they were not i toxicated. Actually most like they would have. ​@mba2ceo

[@bowtie3]

The answer is stay away from drugs and alcohol.

[@naturalunnatural]

"Hey sons, there's gonna be a stupid drunk fight between strangers, go get in the middle of it"

[@speedy423]

My thought exactly.

[@cascade00]

No need for a competition when you guys are fearful and lose, he's not fearful so he is the winner Skadoosh losers go where you are safe and stay where you are safe Never understand people who ran pubs in Europe and how they de escalate Never understand somebody else's perspective in life Stay where everybody hides like you

[@aparsons7374]

While being drunk.

[@gregoryjones7712]

yeah its cool intel someone is a old obese coward who likes to pick fights then bring out weapons idk maybe its a Romanian thing ??

[@LoPerez-x6i]

Cant believe a father would send his sons into that. He seems kind of dopey

[@denisewilkins393]

Objection: alcohol was being consumed by all parties involved. The defense seems to be focused on it weird he doesn’t say anything about his client,as in not weird at all.

[@ev25zv]

If his client was drinking, he was of legal age to do so.

[@MissOhio1980]

I don't know if he had alcohol in his system or not but his lawyer sure didn't say.

[@michaelmolish1151]

The guy with the blade is a murderer. The teens were killed. I don't see shared responsibility You do?... Weird

[@MrMooCow199]

Mr. Mui was 54 years old, and of age do drink. The kids were underaged, with a blood alcohol level of 0.22 for the dead one....4x the legal driving limit. Plus they admitted to smoking marijuana. One of the kids, Dante Carlson, was 17, drinking with his father on the river. When they approached the incident, Dante's stupid father SENT his drunken son into the fray, resulting in Dante attacking Mr. Mui.

[@snasapilot44]

@@michaelmolish1151 well, if those "teens" were not intoxicated to the point they felt that it was a good idea to mock, insults, hit and push a 60 years old man's head under water while they were beating him 10 to 1, none if this would have happenend. Also, the kid empaled himself on the blade because as soon as the man tried to get up, as they were about to beat him again. They fucked around and find out.

[@taramedrano16]

Sadly I looked like those kids were all bullying that man. The adults were rude to him as well- I saw them pushing him and even a slap to his face. HOW MUCH ALCOHOL were the teens and adults drinking???

[@jackieagnor162]

He ran up on the teenagers,he's guilty, he killed a child and injured 4 others. Did you not watch the video?

[@HeidiHarriman-cr5nz]

Video started by the drunk teens calling him a pedo..

[@AafkeKastelijn]

@@HeidiHarriman-cr5nz The man came up to them blaming them for stealing his phone. That's why he came up to the tubing and grabbing at one of the boys. The boys were confused in the beginning and asking what he was doing. After that yeah they started rallying up and saying he was a pedo after pushing or grabbing at one of the girls. He also punched one of the girls and stabbed her, the others still didn't realise he had a knife, only after seeing one of the boys being disembowelled they realised something was really wrong here. The boys from the other group were only trying to push him down and telling him to leave, trying to stop the ruffle that was going on. Isaac, the boy who got killed was one of them telling him to leave. So yeah, it may just look like they were only pushing him and calling him pedo. But he came up to them first claiming they took his phone..

[@Shadow-zc9hd]

@@jackieagnor162did you not watch the video ??? Just because someone uses words doesn’t mean you can assault them. Those kids got what was coming.

[@freetoplayaccount3487]

@@Shadow-zc9hdthat would be defamatory remark. No kids deserve to be stab. I do agree that this man was provoked and they assaulted him

[@RobertCorrigan-we2ed]

Was that your actual birthday? What a stupid question.

[@brenthunter7965]

I chuckled at this lol, but it's common for people to plan a birthday celebration on a weekend around the actual birth date, and he asked that question to clarify that this wasn't the case.

[@me-hp7vh]

I'm glad that witness finally sat up and quit taking stupid shit from the attorneys intelligent 😂 questions.

[@paulc-xj9ck]

Misdemeanor: Birthday celebration by deception

[@muzeezhodillo8613]

No my actual birthday is in January. This was my other birthday.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

"You were floating down the river and saw something that caught your attention" |like no shit sherlock

[@billknight5332]

My gosh this trial has the absolute dumbest group of witnesses ever

[@Pasta32162]

Dumb and horrible at lying as well

[@Julie86Mac]

🎯

[@arikabrochu1710]

Well everyone who knows anything about "tubing" knows, it a floating, drinking, partying all day in the sun thing...What could go wrong??

[@unitedwestand5100]

It just seems that way because they're all exposed as lying. They're not dumb, they're dishonest.. Including this so called father.

[@JuanSchwartz]

​@@arikabrochu1710hmmm? I love tubing, and I don't drink whatsoever. Presumptuous much?

[@sweetfaith2011]

I can't believe the defense attorney is asking a hypothetical question and glad the judge sustained it. Facts only please!

[@TylerFrey-qf8zg]

Yet, you people are foolish enough to believe the father as a witness to self defense lmao

[@sweetfaith2011]

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg Did I say that? 🙄

[@TylerFrey-qf8zg]

@@sweetfaith2011 no, that's the point lol

[@sweetfaith2011]

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg What's the point and why are you laughing?

[@sweetfaith2011]

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg What's the point and why are you laughing?

[@colinmuld5452]

What a liar... polygraph this guy and charge him with supplying alcohol to minors.

[@BlessedTruly2014]

Truth was told, jury saw truth. Poor kids will forever be in pain.

[@Majeye]

Polygraphs are not admissible in the court of law. Also, I used to work for this guy, he's a stand-up dude, he would never supply alcohol to minors, ever.

[@rdtrowbridge1]

That sounds like bull shit bro

[@MrBeard-ig5zc]

People dig in on their feelings. Instead of an impartial truth.

[@johnnycash578]

you are so right these people are clearly favoring the kids and thats bs!!! these people are so far from impartial witnesses whats wrong with everyone just watch the video its all right there doesnt matter what anyone says right???

[@Kerrviii]

@@johnnycash578these kids had a reason to be out there, partying. The old man crept up on them, was disrespectful, walking up on a bunch of kids…. with his old loser friends. The kids even told him to walk away.

[@Missglam67]

@@Kerrviiiyou’re ignorant AF. Everyone has rights to be in the river enjoying their day. Yes, My Miu was reckless and he was 100% wrong but it doesn’t matter if he was looking for the goose that laid the golden eggs, it was his business and he wasn’t harassing these kids until they felt the need to open their mouths and start shit! He doesn’t have to answer them or engage them. Yes I agree that him running up to them after their nasty comments was not the smartest decision but I can guarantee that nothing would have happened at all if everybody involved minded their own damn business. The ignorance I have seen from both sides is astounding. It’s like you enjoy being stupid!

[@joshmcgowan5129]

@@Kerrviiiwhat are u on about🤣🤣the man was snorkelling looking for his wife’s phone or someone’s phone when they started calling him a pedo and a raper, they continued to do so while he said nothing until they attacked him🤣🤣🤣what video have u watched

[@joshmcgowan5129]

@@Kerrviiihis old loser friends, what a way to speak about an engineer that’s come to contribute to your country absolutely ridiculous no respect for elders these days

[@whiskeyandapples]

for the record, I think we have some pretty solid evidence that your boys are NOT “good at de escalating fights”.

[@bpassion4fashion581]

Great articulation skills form this witness . Bravo for not allowing the lawyer to bully you into twisting your words !

[@nillyk5671]

Huh? Did we watch different videos?

[@randymorgan8375]

Very Strange Dad!! I would take my son and go the opposite way. You don't run to drama!! At very least put some distance between you and Situation.. Personal I leave..

[@bethanymckeel4180]

This lawyer is obnoxious!

[@kimthreadgold2755]

I disagree. He knows all facts and has reviewed the video. He is being professional. He keeps catching witnesses in lies. His job is to keep his client out of jail.

[@deepsoultarot8272]

The defense attorney repeats the same questions over & over and won't stop even after the witness answers!! Annoying as f*CK!! Most likely because there really isn't much to present to help with this client in trying to show any innocence or self defense since he really has no leg to stand on .

[@deepsoultarot8272]

​@@kimthreadgold2755Good luck with THAT!!😂The defense is TRYING...but....yeah, keep trying!! 😂😂😂

[@jez3dg20]

Absolutely, he was asking many incredibly idiotic questions.

[@janicemontgomery5680]

He is trying to lead the witnesses to say what he is suggesting

[@tormentorxl2732]

Lesson: What responsible fathers tell their offspring to go get into an altercation?

[@marykernaghan3331]

Absolutely my feelings exactly - keep your own family out of it.

[@Klm49]

Did you even listen??? The kids Miu attacked were calling for help, this father says his sons are good at deescalating things, so he suggested they go over to help. AND the son testified that he went over asking what was going on and trying to calm things down.

[@bonjoviland]

Exactly

[@brandim9872]

@@Klm49I agree people don’t actually understand what they are talking about

[@Seashea]

There are good and decent people with good intentions. People that are willing to help people that seem to be in trouble

[@Fizzypoptunes]

Sending your kids into an escalating situation is extremely irresponsible

[@3r7h130undx]

Right. Kid got stabbed because this dumbass lol

[@BlessedTruly2014]

I said same thing

[@cliffhass9158]

They were trying to help and they were used to situations like this and de-escalating them. His son was one of those actually trying to stop the situation from getting worse. His "Boys" are prety much grown men.

[@davidjunto1008]

Like most of us, Mr. Carlson puts too much faith in his ability to discern people's state-of-mind at a glance. The only people who were proved to have high blood-alcohol levels were the ones who were stabbed. Its a shame the women in his group didn't have the de-escalation skills he says his sons have; this whole predicament would have been avoided.

[@beverlysettle8235]

How do you know this? He was provoking the group of teens before anyone else arrived…he could have stabbed them! What a ridiculous thing to say.

[@mentalhealth9256]

Having high levels of alcohol in your blood does not make you a candidate for being assaulted, disembowelled or killed. It's amazing how all the people that comment about people drinking alcohol all of a sudden become judge and jury. In the same way fools state '"that woman shouldn't have dressed like that she was asking for it!" Get a grip and look at ALL the factors before making judgement 😔

[@bonnenaturel6688]

@@mentalhealth9256 and the teens shoving him down in the water, slapping him, wrapping hands around his neck was peaceful??

[@hoss9062]

This witness mentioning that his kids were the ones who hit and pushed the defendant into the water changes so much as it pertains to the perspective of the teen’s actions

[@Sam-fp8zm]

in the raw footage the suspect can be seen holding a knife before he was even touched. no attorney has bought this up yet.

[@allytrudie864]

@@Sam-fp8zmlynch mob was already forming yelling things to get the man hurt. He rightfully took his knife out- he was being called a rapist and a pedo. Nice try though

[@Sam-fp8zm]

@@allytrudie864 He assaulted one woman by punching her in the face, pulled a knife, murdered one, and disemboweled two. He is guilty as charged.

[@jimmiems8815]

How on earth does kids teasing someone translate into you get to stab them? Anyone that would even consider that an option should be locked up. What in the world is wrong with you?​@allytrudie864

[@choppawolf8889]

@@linmayzie1you clearly didn’t. But that’s okay. You can be ignorant

[@silasreynolds9286]

So many people saw this happening and no one helped the man out

[@NotFalling4it]

No, because he was the aggressor and instigator.

[@Klm49]

Ha! No honey, no one helped out the creepy guy who was menacing a group of young people. Because the people who needed help were the young people who he ended up stabbing a bunch of!! He was the dangerous fool who attacked them!! Just because he says they attacked him doesn't mean it's true.

[@silasreynolds9286]

@@Klm49 I'm sorry I thought someone who got stabbed was trying to help him but that many people that saw it you would think they would have helped

[@ryanwhitaker4444]

Possibly because he was out of line and acting aggressive, antagonizing a group of teenagers and then stabbing them with a knife. Poor guy.

[@trevorthompson330]

@@NotFalling4it@NotFalling4it The kids escalated in the video, which is self-evident.

[@dougg1075]

He’s gonna go down for evading the cops with “ I heard someone got stabbed and I fit the description “. Instead of “ I had to defend myself against a group of rowdy kids”.

[@stansmith7819]

And “did they get injured by fighting each other” with imaginary knives.

[@marie-michelleanderson2851]

Rowdy doesn't and should not equate with slashing, punching and disemboweling a young man!

[@dqniel1755]

He's going to go down for quite literally doing the things he's accused of doing (stabbing 5 people and killing 1 of them). They repeatedly told him to go away. Instead of doing that, he got a knife, came back, and escalated the confrontation. It's not self defense if you APPROACH the group as they're telling you to go away.

[@BamaFan4life]

​@@dqniel1755 he didn't go get a knife, he had it in he's pocket.

[@dqniel1755]

@@BamaFan4life OK. Either way he had a knife and aggressively approached the group, was told to leave repeatedly, started to leave, but then came back instead. All while armed. Why not just walk away?

[@suzkornfan]

Why would the cops not need the photo of the girl that got punched?

[@liljoe31]

Likely never happened. Glasses fell off her head and the prosecutors are saying he punched her. All the kids that were in the mob used that same excuse

[@Otis5115]

@@liljoe31so you were there and saw it’s lil happen?

[@WJ1333]

Because she didn’t hit just pushed

[@karlpetzing525]

The officer said in court that he didn't see any mark on her face and would have taken a picture if he saw evidence of one.

[@yolandawilson6619]

Exactly!

[@Bye_Good]

I’ve watched the video over and over and it’s so hard to see when the stabbing actually happened. You see the old guy go down and by the time he gets back up everyone is just slashed open. Crazy

[@KrysGrant-ey1xl]

😮😮😮😮

[@TheDkb427]

Most physical encounters happen in a few seconds plus these ppl were all drunk and delayed reaction time didn't help but after the girl was hit and he got back up he was stabbing ppl

[@YaYaPaBla]

I saw on the video when the old guy got the knife out of his pocket.

[@LaPlaztique]

It happened really quickly. Those who were stabbed didn’t realize it immediately. With the exception of the guy whose heart was slashed up and passed away, along with the guy who got stabbed across his belly with his intestines that fell out. What a horror this was! I couldn’t imagine the scene of this.

[@TheDkb427]

@@LaPlaztique the video when dude gets up and tries walking to the shore is absolutely terrifying!!!! No wonder the killer dudes group didn't talk afterwards huh

[@grantwilliams9040]

What issues did you have on the other river.

[@JohnSmith-bw9wu]

His boys tried to de escalate another fight😂😂😂

[@mattbrown9484]

A bunch of drunken rednecks and their drunken kids.

[@ryand141]

None, it was the other person's fault.

[@verysurvival]

“I sent my 2 sons over to de-escalate the situation.” “What happened next?” “Five People were stabbed.”

[@Allfaxnocaps]

I went river tubing once , and my shorts fell down and I tripped over some rocks and everyone laughed at me so hard. I just got out and walked through the woods barefoot, found a road and hitchhiked back to the start of the river got in my car and left. Never went river tubing again. It was so embarrassing

[@genericamerican7574]

And everyone in the story lives? Really you have nothing to be embarrassed about.🖖

[@smwrbd]

Should have explained it gets bigger. That the water was cold... etc.

[@whodey585]

Is that why they call you the lonely viking?

[@duststorm2699]

1970's we went rafting with cheap tubes from K-Mart. The New Mexico river was so low in places that we girls wound up sitting on the shoes of the guys because of the sharp rocks under us that could have damaged the tubes. There were also rapids. There was not another soul around. It got cold in the mountains and we dried out our socks over a fire the guys built & drove back to UNM.I've never gone again.

[@michaelarenas9185]

You mean when they laughed you didn't start assaulting and stabbing people. Weird

[@michelemccowan5924]

He also called the adults "kids"! At what point do these people become accountable adults?

[@Pericameron]

I think when men who are 50+ call them kids it’s because they are quite literally half their age if not less than half their age. I look at my sister and her friends who are 20/21 as kids still. Yes they’re adults legally but you know there is a difference between looking at/ interacting with a 50 year old man and a 20 something year old dumbass

[@RetroFocus]

what age is someone considered an adult?

[@michaelarenas9185]

Most older people generally call people in their 20s kids . It's pretty common lol

[@michelemccowan5924]

@@RetroFocus As a parent, most refer to them as "kids" throughout their lives well into their forties. It's all relative. A fully developed human being is considered an adult, but my sister was a grandmother at the age of forty and our mother still called her a "kid". This man's sons were older, but he still calls them kids. It's all relative, but in this case they want to make the teens seem too young to be held accountable. They could be parents already themselves.

[@briannatarelli430]

They are kids when it is favorable for their narrative. Also, they are adults when it is favorable for their narrative.

[@cataway777]

Crazy, crazy situation. I've gone back and forth, but honestly after seeing the entire video of that black kid instigating the entire thing and then running away, screaming and making sure his face was on screen so he could post it for clout while his friends died, I'd say he's the one that belongs under the jail. Guess he was just doing it for the culture, so it's fine.

[@LaurensSecretAdmirer]

Yes. Very "vibrant culture".

[@marierosario2773]

@@LaurensSecretAdmirerwhat do you call what that man did?

[@LaurensSecretAdmirer]

@@marierosario2773 self defense against a group

[@luffyduffy7817]

you wouldn't start screaming if someone started stabbing people?

[@leemarc8943]

Their stage is tiktok. Their crime is fame!

[@khaosdagger2145]

My sons are good at deescalating situations. His sons deescalating the situation by punching people.

[@cascade00]

Doubt it but you sure think you can fool people by acting like a tough competitive person

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@cascade00wut😂

[@LoPerez-x6i]

Dad is goofy

[@lisadavis9535]

In my opinion, dad was covering his butt and the butts of his kids. I don't believe him.

[@modernisto]

Well what would you do if a man punched your sister or girlfriend? Give him a stern tongue lashing? Get real.

[@MsPixi66]

That girl had nothing wrong with her face but she was the one stomping up the hill loudly swearing and I quote “ I was punched in the f ing face for f sake “ victim? This started with her and there are quite a few lying about this on ALL sides!

[@katshades]

There is video

[@angiejorah]

Then she didn't want to be on video in her testimony in court because she was lying.

[@gregj831]

I agree! It was the girl 'Madison Coen' who sought to escalate the situation and she did.

[@traceyhellsten649]

Is she the one with the loud irritating voice??

[@MsPixi66]

@@traceyhellsten649 yep 👍 that’s the one 🙂

[@apollopettv3750]

The parents all should be charged with giving under aged teen’s alcohol

[@kat4animals004]

He sent his boys... His sons to descalate the situation!? Ugh.

[@janetkean4702]

They are ADULTS with experience running a BAR & breaking up DRUNKEN FIGHTING

[@kat4animals004]

@@janetkean4702 yeah, the adults stayed the tubes. Haha

[@Majeye]

HIs boys are full grown adults, even at the time of the incident. They also work at the bar he owns, to which, they de-escalate situations often.

[@glennpearson8046]

this guy seems to remember a lot of things that he doesn't remember

[@zechtherealtor]

like every witness. Just so happen they don’t remember anything that’s damaging to prosecution

[@ravivandersalm4586]

I mean he had the most traumatic experience of his life right after. Off course that fucks with your memory

[@THE_CDN]

Why would you send your own kids into a situation that had already escalated (by your own words) and that involved a man you thought was drunk? Wouldn't it make more sense to call the police, let the guy know that's what you did, and video what happened? Why send your kids into a dangerous situation?

[@dibutler9151]

When defense attorneys keep repeating and stating the same thing over and over in a tone like this, they 100% lose me. Someone should do a study on this, because it's extremely off-putting, regardless of whether their client is guilty or innocent. I randomly found this video and have no idea about this case, this is just my reaction to the attorney, I thoroughly dislike him and that's never a good thing if you are trying to win a case.

[@FLo-jc7ig]

I'd like to know what this case is about also!???🤔🤔🤔

[@virginia2949]

They may be irritating you but they are very successful attorneys. And that is their job - to be successful.

[@sonjarutkowsky4140]

Yes so do i 😂​@FLo-jc7ig

[@VegasLady81]

The defense attorney is trying to purposely have someone slip up so they can win their case. They ask the same questions over and over, but in different context each time, because they want the prosecutor's witnesses to slip up so they can "rest their case". It's a stupid tactic, but all lawyers do it.

[@tianawashington8869]

The attorney is trying to see if he will answer the same and or discredit his testimony.😊

[@danedwards6094]

Father of the year. Out with underage drunken sons and their friends who attack a 60yr old man for looking for his phone on a public river. Then he lies through his teeth trying to send a innocent man to prison for life.

[@mascara7757]

you guys are delusional claiming every witness is lying. any man who attempts to murder 5 teens over some shouting and a few pushes is a psychopath.

[@Peso_PlumaCT.]

Following such trauma to the abdomen, it will be left opened at the surface, internal stitching will be utilized. The abdomen will swell so much you can’t bring the skin together &/or the surgeons will need to go back in to do further exploration. With these wounds the healing is done from the inside to outside and takes weeks. As a nurse I’ve taken care of patients with this. As a patient I went thru it, doing (wet to dry) twice per dressing changes for 8 weeks. This young man is going to be living with gut issues the rest of his life. He’s got my prayers and support.

[@innocentbystander8038]

It that young man wasn't a being bully it would never have happened

[@mrx2586]

​@innocentbystander8038 Actually it would have happened if he was not being a bully. We know this because he was not being a bully and it still happened.

[@kevinkraft5480]

​@mrx2586 screaming "for the cause" while shoving him down into the water after he already took punches isn't being a bully? Lmao it certainly warrants self defense. 1 person against 10+ are pretty slim odds.

[@lawrencerenew8668]

The jury got this one wrong!!! Waaay wrong.

[@dopecat15]

Why is this man on trial? He defended himself against a pack of angry drunk teens.

[@oharriet4666]

Thank you. I watched a video of the altercation and from my perspective, the boys put their hands on him first after surrounding him. How did these boys expect this to turn out??

[@lizardhierophant8293]

and adults.

[@geekinasuit8333]

He's on trial because an angry drunk adult with a knife wounded 4 kids and killed one of them, that's why he's on trial.

[@oharriet4666]

@@geekinasuit8333 4 kids? Oh stop. They surrounded him and physically pushed him into the water. They should have kept their drunken mouths shut.

[@oharriet4666]

@@geekinasuit8333 Their obnoxious drunk bullying backfired spectacularly on them. They never should have addressed him in the first place. Would have been a great time for them trying minding their own damn business.

[@anglesfirstone]

Why are we worried about what he saw and heard when he was far away? They have video of what happened. They surrounded him and was yelling at him. Then one one the boys punched him and the others attacked also. At that point he has every right to defend himself against a mob of people. The poor girl that was stabbed was an accident. He didn't even look at her. He was swinging wildly. This was a horrible encounter that was instigated by the teen boys. Not guilty

[@DavePryor302]

Nope he struck the girl first off camera. I’ve watched the incident in slow motion many times. He stabbed the second guy just because he was near him. He was not attacking dude . After he stabs him the kid pushed and grabbed his throat After he stood up he stabbed the girl in her side while her back was to him walking away from him.

[@megmoe43]

So you're going to skip the part where defendant checks his pocket for knife and then charges at group on tubes. Defendant puts hands on at least one of them. You call a psychopath stabbing people who never touched him an "accident"? The defendant instigated this knowing full well he had a knife and was obviously willing to use it. They have video of this also.

[@zombieburner0]

Because the video doesn't catch everything

[@vigtime7816]

NOT GUILTY!!!!!

[@RealTuckered]

What a tragedy, all so avoidable.

[@clarissa-xd9iu]

how NOT to be a father, put your young sons into a complete strangers argument...

[@DancingCurls-z5s]

I would have called 911 but the father was trying to teach his boys how not to be a bystander and do something to help.

[@ifckdurdad]

And your comment demonstrates how NOT to be a decent human being.

[@dobnerk]

The boys had experience deescalating situations involving drinking and their father had confidence in them. Shame on you for being the kind of person who has, with like minded people, collectively turned this world into an ugly place. Image what the world would be like if everyone was the opposite of you. Unfortunately, we can only image.

[@cascade00]

​@@DancingCurls-z5sbullshit you wouldn't have dialed 911 like a pansy without knowing what the Romanian was doing near them

[@toconnor6811]

@@clarissa-xd9iu yes you're right. Sorry

[@captpain1]

Who claims self defense then chooses to hide the weapon then leaves the scene fully knowing he had to stab multiple people to defend himself. Even better he then lies to the police about what happened claiming the teenagers had knifes and he then with his kung-fu skills took a knife away from one of the teens to defend himself, he lied to the police make the claim of self defense, who does that but someone who is guilty.

[@Emerica.]

Your mom

[@M.TTT.]

@@Emerica.

[@captpain1]

@Emerica. nice person you are, I'm sure your parents are proud. My mother passed away from cancer. Thanks for being ignorant I guarantee if you were standing in front of me you wouldn't say " your mom" cause you be busy picking up your teeth, smart mouth .

[@nyoodmono4681]

You do not understand. It is not binary between guilty or not guilty, but the question what sentence is fair at this very complicated situation between murder, panic, affect, manslaughter and self defence.

[@captpain1]

@nyoodmono4681 The jury had video and testimony, which was lengthy . It appears the fact of trying to conceal the weapon and lying to the police continually is what his own doing. After the incident, he chose to act in a manner that goes against the claim of self-defense.

[@MikeJones-kb3pu]

This guy is macho aggressive enough to wildly stab 5 people but not to just run outta there? Everyone supporting this guys action is crazy.

[@Mechulus]

Haha you are crazy. Thanks for the laughs. 50+ year old recovering from quadruple bypass surgery and crappy sandals outrun a whole pack of aggressive people half his age surrounding him? Yeah man maybe he could use the Naruto run technique. Good thinking my dude.

[@MikeJones-kb3pu]

@@Mechulus He ran over there in the first place. He was just drunk and wanted revenge.

[@xstoofpeer]

​@@Mechulus How does them saying ''leave us alone'' indicate that they would want to chase him?

[@Mechulus]

@@xstoofpeer IDK maybe the punching him while he's down and pushing him down into the water was my first clue. Having seen more of the evidence though, he was behaving odd. Those "kids" and the Karens instigated a lot of it, but he should have warned them to back off and displayed that knife more prominently. Its weird no one saw the knife and he had it out for awhile before striking. Its all messed up. I'm way more conflicted on this now than I initially felt. I'm not glad anyone's dead. Its a painful lesson for all involved to not mix alcohol and mob mentality.

[@xstoofpeer]

@@Mechulus Prior to being slapped and pushed into the water he had already assaulted a girl, according to the eye witnesses. He also invaded their space first and grabbed someones leg and made them get off the rafts, the kids then told him to leave already which he refused to do and instead acted very suspicious and just weird enough to creep out everyone. The people defending him seem to expect a group of drunk 17 year olds to behave more mature than a 54 year old with a deadly weapon.

[@bgirl624]

Miu had multiple opportunities to be the “adult” and walk away. Even if it was self defense, this is extremely excessive. He murdered a young man and stabbed several others, why are there so many people defending this man? I commend the father for telling his sons to try and help, not to mention, it was Miu that he was concerned for. But, if my son saw a man hit a woman, I’d expect him to defend her, stranger or not! Instinct of defending a woman is engrained in them. I hope the jury sees the truth.

[@Yahweh42069]

he did walk away but they kept taunting him. he wanted to check the water under their raft but they refused to move. then they assualted him and got stabbed

[@MattYoung-n5l]

@@Yahweh42069winner winner They fooled around and found out it is t smart to gang up on a scared old drunk guy

[@jayaybe1]

@@MattYoung-n5l Or *any* guy.

[@mouseandryforever6848]

Yes, I heard he was snorkeling because he lost his expensive phone in the water. And when he got near the teens the girls were taunting him and touching him and pushing him and so he slapped one of the girls back and that's when all the 20 something guys ganged up on him and we're physically pushing him into the water. The girls started this whole conflict

[@thisismajortom]

@@mouseandryforever6848 You definitely need to see the video....He was looking for someone else's phone. That person was straight enough to realize there is no way you're finding that as they didn't know where it fell. The boys asked him what he was doing and he sarcastically replied, "looking for little girls" which set the boys off. He refused to leave and the boys asked for help. Then a lady who came to help asked him to leave. He then swatted her. This guy's son then cocked him. The rest is very tragic.

[@JeaneGenie]

This guy's story did not make sense to me. The defence lawyer did a great job of highlighting all his discrepancies.

[@selfesteem3447]

And bar owner sweaterman, ha ha is just squirming.

[@ellybean5868]

It is somewhat hard to take a comment seriously when you can't even spell the word defense

[@jyhina]

​​@@ellybean5868I suppose that nobody from England which the language is named after knows how to spell defence. While we are at it we might as well call out the entirety of the UK, the Irish, Australians, Canadians, people from India and the African continent.

[@ravivandersalm4586]

What discrepanties? I noticed basically 0

[@ryand141]

Because he's lying. He has a memory of a punch but he doesn't see left or ride side of the fade. No, he didn't want to point on his own face because he didn't know if Miu is left or right handed.

[@k.c.roberts8387]

Dumb move by this guy to tell ppl, drunk ppl, to get involved in a situation that had nothing to do them. He didn't help to deescalate he did the exact opposite.

[@ylekiote99999]

Almost got his son killed.

[@nillyk5671]

Exactly, Mr. Miu could have thought that more drunk teenagers were coming to attack him.

[@ryand141]

Imagine his bar.

[@missouridrifter7901]

I love it when my posts are deleted. It means I am correct

[@corralescoyote]

I was hooked as soon as the witness said “I know what you’re trying to do” to the first question… he got that defense attorney acting like a petty punk

[@graedot]

Really? He seemed like a jerk and hostile witness.

[@corralescoyote]

@@graedot Yeah. He acted like a jerk, probably because the guy who stabbed five people was going to blame the victims for getting stabbed. Which is precisely what is happening.

[@graedot]

@@corralescoyote Yeah, because it's not as easy as "he killed them for no reason."

[@corralescoyote]

@@graedot Oh, so there’s a good reason for Mr Smiley face to stab five people instead of leaving where he wasn’t wanted. Got it.

[@georgezee5173]

@@graedot Quite hostile. I'm actually surprised the judge didn't intervene in some of the witness' unsolicited observations. In my country, at least, a witness is not allowed to talk outside what they've been specifically asked. They may get away the first time, but as soon as the judge sees it;s happening a second time, they get a warning and are reminded why they're there and how it works.

[@williamregister1687]

Having raised three boys I cannot see a situation I thought "might end badly" and send my kids to deescalate

[@PatriotJewell]

Exactly

[@raveneye12]

Good point. No way she got punched and still was holding her drink

[@lr8607]

Her sunglasses got knocked off. There's no question he struck her; witnesses saw him do it and the video shows her glasses on her head and then next they are off.

[@raveneye12]

Even if he knocked her glasses off that does not justify a beat down . She was also in his face screaming and provoking him. All these teens were drunk and dumb.

[@inflikktion]

@@raveneye12 and nothing I saw justified a frenzied stabbing spree. Dude is a danger to himself and others. Goddamned lead-addled boomers.

[@hearmenow909]

@@raveneye12 Maddie wasn't a teen, the teens were part of the all boys group on the tubes. He struck her in the face, it doesn't matter which was he did it, he had a knife in the other hand when he struck her, and Dante from Maddie's group then punched him in retaliation. He gave him a slap for good measure as he fell back into the water, and then he backed off because he obviously didn't want to hit him properly whilst on the ground. He provoked the punch that knocked him down. knocking him down after Maddie being struck equated to self defence as you're allowed to defend someone else in that scenario, especially a weaker female. From there he just went psycho with the knife.

[@raveneye12]

@@hearmenow909 interesting how you ignore her threatening and pushing him first. Or her lies about the photos?

[@jessiedickerson4555]

Is anyone going to tell the prosecutors that we can hear them whispering?

[@dawnprimerano8255]

Replying to Scott smith I absolutely agree with. I did the same thing with my 19 yr. old daughter and her boyfriend. Young kids/adults now days seem to have no fear no respect and think they are steel proof. I’m not sure how u feel but I do not feel that the elder man is at fault! I wish a young man did not lose his life basically because it escalated because of people that had NO CLUE of what was going on decided to go over and put their 2 cents in. UT’S JUST HORRIBLE!!! I do not find the man guilty I do think it was self-defense. That’s my feelings. But I do think some other charges need to be brought on to some of the people that decided to violately hit this man. And also for the under age drinking and the lying. The way people act now days and having 12-13 of them around u doing what they were doing I would have to defend myself also. How ever I could!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE MOMS AND DADS EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THUS TRIAL AND TO RESPECT OTHERS!

[@kelcritcarroll]

Ok….this guy is lieing…..he is lieing because his son is the one who punched mr Mui three times in the face knocking him into the water over and over

[@sandyhouseman]

Don't forget the kids endless taunting trying to start a fight.

[@CC-uq4hu]

He didn’t need to be there..a grown man should get away from trouble

[@WW-pf4ec]

@@CC-uq4hu but do you know the reason why he was there ???? he was just looking for the mobil phone for his friend , this is a public river , every one can go any where they want , NO ????

[@CC-uq4hu]

@@WW-pf4ec I’m older than him and had triple bypass surgery also…if there’s a drunk group of people I steer clear especially if they are yelling at me. Believe me I’ve seen enough of group mentality especially drunk and drugged are very unpredictable and dangerous. He should have avoided being near them. I don’t believe he’s guilty of murder.

[@WW-pf4ec]

@@CC-uq4hu Okay, I accept it, I say this because I have watched all the videos, and the behavior of these young people in the videos is shocking. I believe the truth the videos tell me, but I have seen all these online people without doing any truth research but directly leave the unfair comments about this poor man shocked me even more: is it acceptable for people to insult an old man just because they are young ? Doesn’t a person who is worried that his life is in danger have no right to protect himself? How far will this society go to tolerate these young people who have no respect for others? This is a real social tragedy that is completely avoidable if their parents will educate them to respect others

[@swk1137]

This guys kids were a HUGE part of the problem. They literally have acted as bouncers in their dad’s bar, throwing out the drunks. They acted as if they owned the river and had the authority to throw him out, literally

[@joeanahunt8092]

The only person i see in the video stumbling, bumping into floats and dropping stuff acting drunk in the video is the creep who spilled teens guts without hesitation. Sick!!!

[@macubaxx87]

Self defense all the way.

[@nillyk5671]

Exactly, he was stumbling because he is older and was being pushed around.

[@jayzim1293]

I hate the arrogance of the defense attorney. He is answering his own questions constantly.

[@Eeohippus]

Because he believes his own agenda, but he's the only one

[@mariee.5912]

😂😂lawyers are arrogant. That's why they can defend cases that nobody think they can win. I have 3 layers and one judge in my family. 😂 when they have lawyers party. It's wild.

[@jennafox4829]

That is what defense attorneys do. Twist Twist

[@kathleennorton2228]

Judges are supposed to moderate and bring decent order to the court.

[@toast2610]

As though none of the other parties in the court aren't arrogant as well

[@RosarioTayoReed]

Had this defendant not run from the scene But rang the police instead & stating he'd been surrounded by teen calling me bad names & if got out of hand & I defended myself he might have stood a better chance on the self defence theory. but he fled the scene.

[@missmochiicecream]

THANK YOU

[@LynetteA68]

Or he could’ve NOT walked up on the teens he was SO scared of & started grabbing them and their tubes!! A man who’s afraid of that group also would’ve hit women in front of the ppl he claims to be afraid of!! I don’t know anyone who carries a knife in their pocket while swimming in the river!! Dudes fee fees were hurt he had a bruised ego he was mad and decided to k*ll ppl because of it!!! Minute he put that knife in his pocket I’m betting he was looking for & planning this exact situation!!!

[@kathismith7441]

And lied about having a knife

[@kathismith7441]

@@LynetteA68exactly

[@Hideyourdad2]

@@LynetteA68speak on it

[@unitedwestand5100]

This guy is lying. Personally, i dont think he had any control over any of the kids in his group, not even his sons.

[@purringc5552]

They're good at deescalating situations. You mean when Maddie was really calm telling him to get the f**k out.

[@josephjohnson3738]

Words should never cause a person to go on a stabbing spree.

[@harrywong6865]

He was talking about the sons. Women never make the situations calmer

[@georgezee5173]

@@josephjohnson3738 And they didn't. He didn't stab anybody UNTIL they started to knock him down, punch him in the face...

[@diane4537]

She has a face ........well you know.

[@MattyFBaby]

I went from having no opinions on this witness. To absolutely despising him in the span of minutes Bout 16 minutes in Mr excuse and expert on ppl he doesn't know

[@Sisflowflow]

Agreed!

[@brenninknudson6017]

This guy is asking the most stupidest questions no shit alcohol was drank a guy stabbed some people now he's in jail case closed my god this lawyer or state attorney needs to be fired. Asking irrelevant questions.

[@aquafina6544]

Defense attny

[@lllmillll]

Our justice system is so ridiculous

[@Grammichal]

@@lllmillll Do you have something better in mind? What country? Every American is entitled to a defense because we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I wonder if you also believe too many innocent people are convicted?

[@Yeluna7]

The questions are relevant. They are showing how selective the witnesses memory is 😂 a few have already lied

[@lizblodgett3336]

Picking fly shit out of pepper. That's what his questions are.

[@trackballmaster]

great father.. allowing his underage kids to drink on a river and then sending them to go fight...this guy has some blame as to his kids getting stabbed.

[@robingeorgetowntx]

I don’t know why anyone would want to watch this multiple times, or recommend people to watch this multiple times. Once is enough, glean what you can, and pass the morale of this story to your children.

[@kingfarmer1010]

So far, on the stand, every single one of these young adults, and teens, and prosecutorial witnesses, have identical cases of 100% memory loss as to what they, and their friends did that day. Yet incredibly, every single one of them are able to clearly recall exactly what the man did, and why they were attacking him. Their acquired severe, and selective memory losses all manifested identically, and left them each with the exact same few memories. That’s absolutely remarkable, and should be one for the case books. Furthermore, two years ago, right after it happened, no one of reported the man saying something inappropriate about little girls, or he that he punched a girl. Yet again, they’ve all recently regained the exact same two terrible memories to explain they were attacking the man because they “were so scared of him”. If they continue to not remember literally anything they, or their friends did to that man, this is going to end up a mistrial.

[@Nephthys-ness]

100% ?? -- that's the whole amount. "Not remember Literally ANYTHING" ?? Even the Judge disagrees with this representation. In fact, what you'll hear are Sustainments on the grounds of "Asked and Answered", followed by enjoinments to "Move on". Prosecution is letting them do their dance for the 70+ witnesses Pros can call, and irritate the adjudicators of fact with their boorishness. Def. is earning their keep. Mr. M knows 5 languages and defects from Romania with his whole family under Ceaucescu?!? - side note (& probably wasted here ) but speak to insecurity at his having no friends when he came to USA in HS and the Mens Rea behind his inciting aggression / desire to be close to the group of teens - and subsequent gutting, slashing and merking kids 30 years and 70 pounds less than him.

[@26michaeluk]

Exactly. I have no idea what this other guy is saying that responded to you first.

[@26michaeluk]

​@@Nephthys-nessWTF does that mean?

[@kroanosm617]

He admitted that he pushed a girl in the face.

[@ryand141]

Nope, clearly you are naive and believe juries are competent and use the law. 7 hours means they had already made their mind up, and that SHOULD BE A MISTRIAL.

[@joankelley3772]

It drives me nuts when lawyers ask the same question over and over but with little innuendos or twisting the meaning of words.

[@brenthunter7965]

When you twist something crooked it becomes straight

[@tamarab6259]

Trying to trip them up, or get a different answer, to discredit them! It's so annoying though! Ughh!

[@SylvanFosters]

12:57. The it was said Miu charged the teenager. Then the attorney said “you use the word charge. Where there’s a video on it we get to decide.” Sure, Mr Attorney, the jury gets to decide whether or not the word “charge” applies to the manner that Mr Miu approached the teens. However, the reason this witness is on the stand is so he can state what he witnessed. He is stating that he witnessed Mr Miu approach the teens in a manner that this witness would characterize as charging. If you are watching the Olympics and the event you are watching is the 100-yard dash you wouldn’t say “I saw the athletes approach the finish line in a manner I would call running”. You would say “I saw the athletes run towards the finish line” because that is what you _saw_. A witness is on the witness stand to say what they witnessed. This witness is doing a good job of responding to this attorney’s questions, despite it all.

[@80bbygrl]

They were trying to document their drinking? Really, guy? That is the dumbest question. No... They were just having fun and took a photo 😮😂

[@denisehoose5162]

Hes def stretching 😂

[@earthling128]

am thinking as i listen to this that it is no small wonder that people don’t want to get involved and have attorneys attack you like this. And how about asked and answered!

[@2009cochinos]

Ridiculous, if we are at event and pics are taken who hides their drinks . Or days wait let me grab my martini 🍸 to show I'm drinking tonight

[@toriarose]

Being drunk is stupid, especially in public. It makes people do stupid things, poor judgment. It destroys brain cells. That ain't fun. Again, it's stupid. Remember this case (and like a zillion others) for future reference.

[@emilylitchko9414]

Not sure what this lawyer is going for. Whether this guy remembers it correctly or not. An old ass dude stabbed multiple unarmed teenagers. You can’t just go around stabbing multiple people.

[@lauriewarner4848]

This is a freaking nightmare. Everything wrong with a situation, that could go the way it did.

[@wwaynemcg]

Kudos to this witness for not agreeing with the lawyers description of the events. He was certainly not intimidated by the pointy-head attorney!

[@ready_2_rise]

💯

[@colinmuld5452]

Lol are you nuts

[@Babybaby228]

He came upon the situation in the middle of it and so he's only seeing how Miu reacted

[@therealdeal3672]

No, he saw Miu going towards them aggressively. He said charging them. Obviously Miu did not have to be doing that he should have stayed the hell away from the kids. That's why I think he's guilty of murder.

[@2genders-tk2ue]

​@@therealdeal3672didn't the kids approach him and started harassing him.....

[@speaklife7119]

They were sitting in their tube and the stabbing guy was the one standing and blocking. It is f obvious who acted out of rage in anger!!!

[@therealdeal3672]

​@@2genders-tk2ueno. He approached them. They just verbally taunted him. But he's a big boy and he could have walked away. Instead he aggressively advanced towards the kids who were just hanging out on their inner tubes together

[@romanz9342]

@@therealdeal3672 was he trying to push their heads under water ?

[@laraoneal7284]

It’s up to the prosecution to disprove the defense.

[@independentrealist6817]

It's what happens when you try to overwhelm someone in water who should have been given respect instead of heaving insults and lies on someone simply wanting to be respected. In old timey days we called it respecting your elders.

[@rockstarofredondo]

What this mob did to this man should not be done to any one of any age. This is not about respect your elders, it’s about leaving people alone, period. They had no reason to engage him. They all just wanted to F with someone and found out.

[@marierosario2773]

@@rockstarofredondo he’s allowed to hit who he wants? He’s allowed to approach them aggressively and stop them from moving? He escalated this!

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Nic will NOT be convicted. Guaranteed. Self defense.

[@Sisflowflow]

All those on here emphasizing old man vs kids need to get out more. This trial has nothing to do with age. The young ppl were absolutely bold and disrespectful towards the defendant and had they had better training would never have gotten in his face nor taunted him. Sad that ppl were stabbed and hope young ppl learn not to make assumptions or bully others. They assumed they could take the old man but had a deadly awakening

[@blondiee4017]

Wrong the man with the knife was drunk and stopping their tubes and harrassing them and saying creepy things to the underage girls, nikolas punched one of the teen girls and then left and came back a second time with the knife so they beat his ass, he’s the aggressor in ever witnesses testimony. Cut your false narrative fr dude

[@mablesyrup1571]

The young attackers were vicious hyenas who tried to kill an old lion. The lion prevailed.

[@jeremyvandenbosch5114]

Yes!! Those kids got their own friend killed. The others went looking for trouble and it was waiting for them! I hope many people watch this trial and learn better parenting skills and how to treat a fellow human being. Because that’s not how you treat someone. Unfortunate and heartbreaking but they got what they asked for…

[@briannatarelli430]

Word to the Wise!!!! Don't F*^K with dudes from Eastern Europe.

[@debbiedavis9523]

I have been cross examined in Crown Court.No matter how honest you are and truthfully you answer what is thrown at you (in my case very), you can still come away wondering if you are lying !! Its horrendous 😮One of the worst things i have ever experienced,God help you if you are lying on the stand!!

[@Bshiddy]

Unfortunate that he was killed but the man was defending himself

[@hearmenow909]

BS

[@guestguest2030]

Exactly. The drunken mob messed with the wrong man.

[@hildapompa4236]

I agree 👍 💯 %...Self defense!

[@charliegordon2266]

Everyone is in the wrong here. The kids for harrassing the man. The man for not walking back to his group in the beginning and then slashing and killing people. He then left the scene and lied. He also ditched the weapon. As a grown man you should have the common sense to just leave before it got to that point and find his group in case he needed help. The kids should be charged with assault and at least underage drinking. There have been many times as a teen that another group started with us and we left the situation because we knew it was just gonna end bad. As a grown man starting to argue with drunk teens is just stupid. Regardless you can not slash 5 people and kill. He had wvery opportunity to leave knowing the teens were not gonna stop. Someone should have also told the teens to carry on as well. When he left and tried to get to his truck then lied he screwed himself.

[@chase9558]

This guy owns a bar, he works the bar, his kids work the bar..so he’s seen a lot of escalations, it’s to bad his group only added to the escalation..he told his two boys to go help, but the two girls jumped out in front..so you have to wonder who was drunker!!

[@benfrese3573]

The defendant wasn't drunk it seems, police reports say that too