Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu jurors explain verdict

Two jurors who deliberated Nicolae Miu’s fate in the Apple River stabbing trial told FOX 9 the panel of 12 quickly focused on the issue of criminality between intentional and reckless homicide, with little support among jurors that the stabbings were done in self-defense.
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[@bigmike6853]

So this guy getting beat up by multiple people and knocked down into the water isn't allowed to defend himself but an ex cop gets popcorn thrown at him in a movie theater and gets off by killing the guy?! Wtf?

[@mbkhan3116]

some of them weren't even attacking him lol. Some of the teens touched him on the shoulder and told him to get the hell away. You can't just stab everyone in a 5 mile radius and claim your innocent. Especially hiding the knife, claiming the teens were armed, and lying to police multiple times.

[@eriv4735]

He wasn’t getting beat up by multiple people and he was the aggressor 🤡

[@1chrisford]

@@mbkhan3116 With that level of brains and deductive reasoning, you should have been on that jury. Madison Coen the drunk belligerent women that charged up to shove Miu several times, cursing, until he finally pushed back and her sunglasses fell off. Face unmarked, Coen claimed he punched her, and then the thrower of the 1st real punch Dante Carlson - sucker punched, knocked Miu Down. Then the sucker puncher and 4 others started the beatdown, inc. pushing Miu's head back into the water 3 times. Then the stabbing began as Miu began fighting his attackers. Given how degraded and dumbed down Americans are becoming - I'd be very nervous to have to be forced to either plea guilty - or face a jury trial of ever more dumbed down Americans like those involved in the Miu Trial - if I was innocent or there were mitigating circumstances.

[@1chrisford]

@@eriv4735 Glad you came by to opine without watching the video of 5 drunks swarming him and punching, kicking, and pushing Miu into the water, after the 1st real true blow of the incident, a sucker punch by Dante Carlson. I apologize if you are visually impaired and relied on someone else to describe it to you.

[@eriv4735]

1chrisford What video did YOU watch bud?? Miu never got punched or kicked..he did get pushed but only AFTER he struck the underage FEMALE..I apologize if you are delusional and are seeing things that NEVER happened 🤡🤡

[@adrn205]

Nah. These kids were guilty af! This is sad.

[@popermen694]

Did you watch him take the stand? Like the actual cross examination? The guy lied and lied and lied and lied over and over. His story was completely mixed up. It seems clear to me. The girls were harassing him, he got pissed off and he stabbed them. You cannot do that. It is what it is.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

@@popermen694 ...you forgot about the part where he was punched, then slapped, and pushed by at least three people before he used the knife the first time. Also lying after the fact doesn't change anything that happened

[@patlynch3464]

I don't blame the jury for not wanting to be seen, they are a disgrace.

[@Harley57]

I’d be embarrassed too.

[@PaxDisturbia]

@@Harley57 Is it because of ring-around-the-collar or dandruff flakes on their shoulders? Unsightly tartar? Offensive body odor? How are they a disgrace?

[@bchero]

Boomers when someone from their lead poisoned minds group can't get away will killing people. An entire generation of Americans is completely lost. History will not look kindly on you people.

[@eriv4735]

🤡

[@eriv4735]

The only “disgraceful” thing about this is the clowns like you who can’t accept reality and see things for what they really are 🤦‍♂

[@Stormblast729]

This sends a very dangerous message that a mob can do anything they want to someone with impunity and anyone who fights back against said mob will be locked up.

[@shiningwaters9469]

Yes! It is very scary

[@GroveEndRoad]

just don't know how 12 people could get it wrong. it doesn't make any sense.

[@daisyhudson3112]

@@GroveEndRoadlmao because it’s not wrong and you have some mental issues if you think that’s self defense

[@Jonahpwn]

@@GroveEndRoad because it wasn’t wrong at all and you’re literally as psycho as miu if you think he defended himself. People that defend themselves don’t lie. Don’t hide the weapon. People that defend themselves avoid conflict like this. Miu stayed because his ego was hurt and he wasn’t gonna let some kids to that to him. He had 1000000 chances to avoid the situation instead he escalated it which is what the prosecution proved and miu admitted to himself. He claims to “stand his ground” in a non stand your ground state first of all. He made no attempt to retreat and willingly faced the “mob”. He made so many bad decisions that day, and you want to enable them. It will be a glorious day when you and miu shuffle off this mortal coil

[@jefffraser4345]

​@Jonahpwn It's telling that anyone that argues he's guilty can't do so without using absurd and complete lies about what happened. He literally tried to walk away. He got about 15 feet before the 20 year olds physically stopped him by shoving him back and refusing to let him leave while everyone surrounded him in preparation for the planned attack.

[@a.g.4981]

I've never been more disappointed with a jury than I was in this case.

[@candykane4271]

OJ trial was worse

[@missmochiicecream]

You don't watch a lot of cases, I'd guess.

[@spirit278]

They got it right. Miu was the aggressor. Get over it.

[@eriv4735]

You’re disappointed by a clearly CORRECT ruling??? 🤦‍♂🤣😂

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

I know right...what's even scarier is that so many mindless people support this absolutely ridiculous verdict!

[@tinasilvercat6923]

If I was a juror on this trial, I would never identify myself to the public. The level of dumb here is insane.

[@ClutchDustKid]

And her name was Tina silver cat

[@johannaarmone3195]

It's dumb people such as yourself who base their opinions only on the video that should be embarrassed.

[@iann68]

u need psychiatric evaluation buddy

[@Gilmore304]

Most accurate comment ever. These folks are ignorant. The panel as well prosecutors and most importantly these irresponsible men whom were young men at time but lies was only thing come out their mouths. Perfect example of bad parenting

[@OpinionParade]

*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.

[@wtl2247]

Drunken provoking screaming in-his-face Lord of the Flies mob pushed and pushed, called Miu a pedo, and challenged each other to confrontation or get a physical reaction with "for the culture" chants and blocked his path to the shore to his friends. How did the 17 yr olds at 2.5x the legal limit, spoiling for a fight with an old man know he could swim when they knocked him down and backed him up into deeper water w/o a tube? Small town jurors were cowards and protected the local hoodlums and their parent's wrath at the cost of the out-of-towner's life sentence.

[@PaxDisturbia]

248lb. man could blow past any two people provided they haven't linked arms or had weapons. Get real. Not picking up on warning cues is his own fault. He had plenty of opportunity to leave the encounter which is the reason he lost in court.

[@Bunny-ur8fd]

@@PaxDisturbia wrong.

[@b4lt1m0re_jay]

Good argument about what if he couldn’t swim. To me I would have looked at the language barrier and how well he spoke English. If I was defense. Either way, he’s a grown man and had plenty of chances to simply turn around and walk the other way. After he was hit, that’s another story.

[@PaxDisturbia]

@@b4lt1m0re_jay He got here 37 years ago. His twin brother who looks exactly like he did in 2022 has no or only very slight accent (see Christina Randall's video). Nic speaks 5 languages, so not exactly short on language skills, but in jail interview tries to talk like some disillusioned, naive child, reverting back to nearly babbling baby talk. PTSD from early life abuse CAN last a lifetime, but why no health history introduced in his defense about that? If he never got help for it, is his fight response an UNpredictable possibility? I doubt it. What did his friends and family know before they let him wander around loud obnoxious drunks unsupervised? He stated in an interview with Lt Hart that his only medications were for his heart condition.

[@LovernotafighterFL]

​@@PaxDisturbiaIt was clear something else was going on there in Miu's deluded mental state. Unfortunately, it's his job to treat his only mental issues, not take it out on a group of kids then lie about it.

[@mellissaf3012]

These jurors were dumb as a bag of rocks just like these teenagers. He couldn’t have walked away when he was DOWN

[@OkiePokeMart]

🤦‍♂️ when someone points the finger they have 3 pointing back on them. Just saying.

[@kevinhornbuckle]

You are as dumb as two bags of rocks. The juror clearly explained that they believed Miu forfeited his right to self defense by initiating the aggression. That means the people he stabbed were acting in self defense, or attempting to protect someone else who was under attack.

[@hfrhkiuffbkiyfc]

They were, too many things aren't taken into consideration. Miu was an older guy in not so perfect health and also had been drinking and these kids are yelling at him. Sure he hit some dumb girl, charge him for that if you wish, but still, he was severely outnumbered so what choice does he have? He was extremely nervous. He isn't used to being involved in criminal behavior. So he lied about a few things, so what? What's relevant is: was he defending himself at that moment, or was he not? That's all that's relevant and nothing else is, not what he said during the arrest, not what he said on the stand, not anything else. Just what he defending himself or not at that moment. The only thing you can say about anything related to the mistakes he made after are simply that he shouldn't have. People seem to have problems coming to terms with this and need to put themselves in the same situation: you're a 52 year old man that had major heart surgery two years ago and your surrounded by people less than half your age who by no fault of your own are yelling at you and getting in your face calling you a pedophile. You're drunk, they're drunk, you know you could possibly get hurt or killed but they won't stop taunting and in your frustration (and being called a pedophile is pretty much the worst thing you can be called) you hit one, now you're pushed into the water and you make a quick decision to defend yourself in the only way you can, with a knife, since you obviously can't take on all these people. So afterwords the police come, you're nervous since you know you're life has completely changed now, so in nervousness you simply lie about it, no different than if a cop asks if you got weed in the car. It's not like he had all the time in the world to think this through and how he would respond. He had no record, so he didn't right of the bat think to keep his mouth shut during the arrest and get a lawyer. But basically what it comes down to is he shouldn't be guilty based on mistakes he made after, he shouldn't be guilty ONLY if he wasn't defending himself, that's it.

[@ZaraAranguren-i5o]

Hopefully you won't lose a child in the hands of a pathetic narcissist killer!!!! What a senseless comment!!!

[@jayc4743]

The "punch" was not on the video and was only "witnessed" by others who would only benefit to say they saw a punch. What is visible is Mui getting attacked by 3+ people at once. The jury; just like the witnesses who seemed to all have the same lie ready for court, became emotional that an almost adult was killed and based their verdict on that. They are wrong and I hope they are never surrounded by a bunch of drunk morons yelling and cursing at them.

[@CC-uq4hu]

Get mobbed by 16 drunk thugs and go to jail for life…very unjust😢

[@davidl.7027]

That mob kept telling him to go away. He chose not to and then threw the first punch. Then lied about everything from that point on. Should have walked away like the mob told him to.

[@PaxDisturbia]

They never even closed a circle around him, let alone set up an armed perimeter to prevent him escaping.

[@mystuff3161]

the defense made you think it was a MOB of 13 - 16 people... because they counted anyone in the area... out of those Drunk Thugs - the guys that have their hands up trying to stop it - or the lady screaming at him saying - GO AWAY!!!

[@TrevByTheTon300]

Very unjust to stamd there and not leave then stab people. Like a drunk teenager at 50+ he needs life in prison.

[@PaxDisturbia]

@@TrevByTheTon300 The jury got it right, although I was surprised at the speed. That's partially the fault of the trial lawyers and the amount of "filler" and stupid tangents they go off on in their questioning of witnesses. Like the big deal over Miu carrying the knife in his pocket. Everyone knows that the issue is not that he had it with him that day, it's how, when, and why he used it during the relevant confrontation. Or the defense lawyer over-emphasizing the swear words used by Madison. You don't go into a party venue and not expect to hear bad language where everyone had been drinking for 3+ hours. There was a lot of "filler". They should have stayed focused if they want jurors to focus on facts in their deliberations, IMO.

[@Imd656]

"We had more people say that he punched her" no fucking shit they were all together why the fuck did I have to be born in this era

[@francesholliday5427]

I feel ya!

[@Frejesal]

They weren't all together, there were witnesses from two separate groups. You should probably familiarize yourself with the basic facts of the case before lamenting being born in "this era." Anyway, your theory is that two groups conspired to lie, and that lie just happened to be backed up by the people shouting "You hit a woman" on video, immediately after it is alleged to have happened? And the perpetrator himself admitted to "pushing" her in some way, but conveniently claimed he COULDN'T REMEMBER where on her body he hit her? He was incredibly cagey and selective in his responses when asked about it. He had a chance to flat out deny hitting her in the face, and he didn't.

[@Missglam67]

I get it! They all had a reason to be mad at the defendant. He just stabbed their friends and family members. Never mind the reason. He stabbed them. I guess I can’t blame them for being angry anymore than I can blame Mr Miu for being angry for being accused to being a chomo unfairly and for no reason. It seemed to be more about who was in whose side. Unfortunately, Mr Miu’s friends were all far away and didn’t really see much of what was going on until after the violence stsrted and even then they didn’t see what actually happened. I think they were all to engaged in their own conversations and activities that they forgot all about him. Only his wife was concerned which makes sense. It wasn’t until after she saw him on the ground that she sent over two of their friends to go get him or see what was going on. By the time they got there it was too late hell already broke loose. I can imagine it was like this “Nick! What happened? Are you ok?” Nick: Yes I’m fine. Some incident just happened. Friends: What happened? Nick: I don’t know. Let’s get away from the scene. Wife: Nick was just happened? I saw you on the ground! Nick: It’s nothing! Just some incident but i don’t know what happened. I don’t want anything to do with it. I think we should move on. Friend: Nick I heard there was somebody or people stabbed! Do you see anything? Nick: Yes, I heard but i don’t know who did it. I think we should move on. Too bad we will never know if what the outcome would have been if he decided to stay on the scene and explain what happened or just claimed his 5th Amendment rights. Bet it would be wildly different

[@JRnanaBOOMER]

They were mad because they thought mui struck COEN. No proof, is that why she destroyed her video? Miu was convicted for the same reason his friends weren't paying attention to him. He's not likeable.

[@BNatoAk]

Very good point. I'm content that I was born at the tail end of gen X. The common sense generation.

[@andrewkim7700]

It all makes sense now. The jurors literally sound like the older version of those teens. So sad.

[@OpinionParade]

*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.

[@eriv4735]

🤡

[@theantianti7]

Agreed

[@melennarodriguez1273]

What I don’t understand is any man that would punch a woman would leave a mark or better yet a bruise especially if she had her sunglasses on. I think they are all lying.

[@fungamesandstories]

And more than that. She was supposely punched and yet, she was yelling and screaming in his face. If someone punches you, you go in their face for what? For another punch? It makes no sense

[@Jonahpwn]

@@fungamesandstories HE LITERALLY ADMITTED TO TOUCHING/PUNCHING HER ON STAND???? LMFAOOOO WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[@fungamesandstories]

@@Jonahpwn is it touching or punching? I never said that he wasn't physical with her. But punching? I doubt it

[@Harley57]

I don’t think he punched her, in the second video as LE are just arriving, she is walking up the embankment hair down & completely dry. I don’t underestimate why defense didn’t zero in on that. It was in witness Lorrion Davis’s video. She knew she escalated the entire situation & got out of there real fast. She was also the ONLY one that didn’t testify on camera.

[@MsBenitaButrell]

Even if that were the case, he has no reason to go on a st*bbing spree and harm all of those ppl and then walk away like nothing happened. He was a drunk, stumbling fool… he should’ve kept stumbling down the river. The jury got it right. He can enjoy the American dream he came here for, from prison.

[@BxBxProductions]

Justice not served. Jurors were paid off or did not have enough time to replay the footage. Jurors weren't allowed to review the footage at their own time. Jurors aren't anonymous too, the judge read out their names and their decisions. This needs a retrial. It was a mess.

[@mathewforsyth1006]

🤡

[@markkulyas2418]

All the evidence in the world was not going to sway this jury, they live in a small town and they have to face their neighbors so a guilty verdict was the only verdict they were going to come up with

[@loszhor]

Bribery is a very serious accusation. Do you have proof of this?

[@Nono38-jj1tk]

​@@loszhorit's just hard to believe a jury could be this incompetent

[@eriv4735]

Justice was ABSOLUTELY severed 🤡

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

He so clearly did not hit first. This is appalling

[@Ifuckwithtrinkets]

Lol.

[@chakiaman9375]

Cry about it.

[@hazmania4794]

@@chakiaman9375 The five drunk thugs who viciously attacked him already did that, boohooing and lying on the stand, like the cowardly cry-bullies that they are.

[@chakiaman9375]

@@hazmania4794 Womp Womp 🦀🎻

[@hazmania4794]

@@chakiaman9375 I bet you have blue hair.

[@Twangtown7]

Jurors were all idiots. How the hell was that not self-defense??

[@eriv4735]

Because it wasn’t 🤦‍♂

[@Defender78]

i wanted Miu to be let off not guilty.. he was provoked big time by the first idiot who called him pedo... then he was surrounded the teen jerks... BUT he struck first and he could have walked away at ANY point.

[@mb944]

What fcked him up was the lying when he was at the police station . So they used that in court and now he’s in jail because of it . At this point self Defense didn’t work for this case it was the lying

[@Yosetime]

@@Defender78 If people were allowed to pull out a knife and start stabbing whenever teenagers got cocky, we'd all be in serious trouble! Even if he hadn't have thrown the first punch, you don't bring a knife to a fist fight! Especially if you are hiding said knife. Big difference between showing your weapon and hiding it until you want to use it. That was the deciding factor to me. I saw the look on his face, in that video, the moment he made the decision to pull out that knife. He was the only person on that river who knew he had a knife and that knowledge led him to the conclusion it did. Those kids would not have challenged him if they had known he had a weapon.

[@loloholmes2793]

@Defender78 where was he going to walk to? He was surrounded & had already been pushed into the water

[@Neesie75]

This is a BS verdict, those kids got their friend killed period.

[@GroveEndRoad]

Right

[@JRnanaBOOMER]

CRUMBLY case comes to mind. And the video I saw show him being pushed down AFTER he's in the water.

[@missmochiicecream]

No - absolutely not. What a horrendous thing to think. Teenagers are not guilty of murder for calling someone names.

[@ev25zv]

@@missmochiicecream Whether you agree with it being self defense or not, if you roll up to a person and start calling him a pedro and raper etc., don't expect all people to shrug it off. This was a case of social media meeting up with real life. That kid with the camera taunting the guy and the girl that came over and started shoving him are responsible for this going haywire. Perhaps 30 or 40 years from now they'll start doing some objective thinking about it and realize the role they played in this.

[@OpinionParade]

*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.

[@baoyang6565]

So sad that all the young ppl taunted him when they have no business doing that but he ended paying the price. He was bullied. End of story.

[@johnharris3335]

Yes! But he went on a stabbing spree after and you cannot use deadly force as revenge

[@bridgetalgeo3387]

At the start, Ryleigh reported it was not a punch, but she changed her story because they all had to get on the same page & say it was a punch to try to justify their attack. That's why none of them could describe it consistently. One of them insisted it was a punch even though he didn't see it! If you're using reason, you know there was a slight contact, as the defendant testified, with the belligerent woman yelling in his face, pushing on his chest, and blocking his path. That's why there was no physical reaction from her (just more yelling) showing her reeling, why she had no bruises or swelling, and why she lied about the deleted photos. The video supports the defendant's account from the stand & is at direct odds with the 2 groups, especially that they were scared little kids. They were a drunken, hostile, inciteful mob that went full-on Lord of the Flies.

[@outoftime7740]

Nic admitted to it on the stand. So get with it.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

Let's say he did punch Maddison...I don't think he did, the group would still not be justified and we're looking for any reason to attack Mr Miu.

[@bridgetalgeo3387]

​@@AshleyWarrick-s7m It is true that she literally was touching him, blocking him, physically using herself to stop him from going where he wanted to go ~ which wasn't toward the group after he found out they didn't have his phone. They created the hostile climate surrounding him. When the prosecutor said "senseless", he was right. But not in the way most of us saw it.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

@@outoftime7740 I believe Mr Miu admitted to pushing her, not punching

[@outoftime7740]

@user-cf6tm8yh2h Nic started the violence first, with the teens. It's on the video, at the beginning. We see Nic 50 ft away, Nic turns around and starts rushing back towards teens. We can hear the teens saying, "what is he on?" "Woooooa" "Whooooa" (the sound we make stopping a horse) as Nic is getting closer to the teens Nic, then jumps on the teens tubes, grabbing 2 of the teens legs. That's when the teens jumped up and got all defensive, calling Nic a pedophile. Completely deserved. We even hear the teens tell Nic, "to go away". Nic came into the teens area, the 2 groups never went into Nics area. Nics group was waiting for him and he should have left before he ever turned his deadly weapon on a bunch of young people, who couldn't even defend themselves from that drunk psychopath.. seems Nics wife, saw the criminal in him. The whole video we see. is the groups retaliation, for Nic stabbing everyone. Did you people expect those people there, to do absolutely nothing back to Nic? Ya right.

[@susanwoywood6334]

The jurors got this wrong!! When someone is strangling you, I believe a person has a right to defend themself!

[@dbuglove537]

He threw the first punch. Nobody was doing anything physical to him, until he punched a woman.

[@RevTox]

@@dbuglove537 No, the woman is on video getting in his face, pushing and hitting him first.

[@robinrogers8917]

Absolutely

[@robinrogers8917]

@@dbuglove537liar

[@keaton3784]

Worst jurors around

[@1chrisford]

How poetic that on the day OJ died, a new OJ jury of bottom feeders was born. OJ passed the torch I guess to a new generation of dumbed down Americans have their verdict.

[@eriv4735]

🤡

[@rachelsill79]

Cry about it

[@GroveEndRoad]

@@rachelsill79 You should cry, if you are part of the Jury

[@indian2003]

This is a miscarriage of justice. He had no escape route and the kids were out to get him because he looked weird to them. Why did they have to lie in court?

[@itsjasonovak]

no escape route LMFAO how about 360 degrees of escape routes all around him bozo

[@itsjasonovak]

why did Mui lie multiple times on body cam?

[@indian2003]

@@itsjasonovak Curtis Reeves was aquitted for shooting a man at the movies because he threw popcorn at him

[@MarciaBoubon]

No one wins! Heartbreaking!

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

​@itsjasonovak I think u need to look at the video and use ur common sense if u have any..

[@peachdaddy]

Disgusting horrible jury.

[@BabyBlue6-lw8hh]

I wouldn’t let anyone know I was a juror on this trial! I wouldn’t want anyone to know how stupid I am!

[@gbh5912]

Hopefully you wouldn't let it be stupid, you sound like a person with integrity

[@PaxDisturbia]

No, she sounds like someone who spent less than an hour researching the timeline and 5 minutes on each witness testimony. The jury got it right.

[@cm6084]

I didn't know we could use deadly force against what started out as insults etc. Make it make sense because you don't sound smart rn. Don't stab me for saying so n claim self defense.

[@prophetprophesy6314]

I think you should get a light sentence at least because in a way it was self-defense a group of people versus one no matter how you look at it you’re fucked

[@gbh5912]

@@cm6084 Maybe know the facts, the man was beaten and near drown and grabbed by the throat- Guess you just let people stomp you then say thanks?

[@GroveEndRoad]

This juror should have never talked to anybody. he's not smart enough to have even been on the jury

[@Jonahpwn]

STAY MAD 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@itsjasonovak]

Defend Mui lying over and over and over. Who acts in self defense and then pretends they had no part? Wouldn't you want to prove your innocence?

[@beatonthedonis]

The juror is way smarter than you - he understood that somebody who initiates a physical confrontation can't claim self-defence afterwards.

[@BuffyLynn]

Jurors used the facts and applied the law. I hope you never get picked on a jury🤦🏼‍♀️

[@GroveEndRoad]

@@beatonthedonis the juror might be smarter than you but not me

[@joshuadavid2534]

This is absurd. That man was defending himself from a bunch of punks. He should be free. And the stupid, overzealous prosecutors always say the same thing: “We feel that Justice has been served.” Baloney.

[@GarGar-p1p]

So they believed a bunch of punks? The ignorance here is scarey. "It's not like he had a fence around him." Are you f-in kidding me. Stupidity at its best.

[@nope5531]

Your emotional bias is showing.

[@jj-nh8lz]

Absolutely. Such BS

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

I know right. It's even worse. When he was being attack, he literally had a group of dangerous people around him

[@caropeter7077]

It was self defense, any one would haved fear for their live in his place....A mob of drunken people abusing an older guy are protected, that's not justice

[@CT2507]

Oh, so you think he went out bathing with a knife in his swimming shorts? lol... He went back for the knife because he wanted a piece of the action. Wanted to put those youngsters in their place. Thats not self-defense.

[@caladesi]

@@CT2507 Finally the truth thankyou!

[@CT2507]

@@caladesi People have been brainwashed with movies depicting bullies and cannot think straight.

[@shiningwaters9469]

To everyone whose saying "he could have walked away" yes? So what? There IS no duty to retreat, as well there shouldn't be. Does that negate the fact that they attacked him with excessive force that would put ANYONE in fear of great bodily harm or death? The jury doesn't understand the law, and they don't understand these types of situations.

[@dannyblanchflower1882]

I agree. He had no duty to walk away from a group who were provoking him (although that would have been smart). The problem Miu has is that he appears to have thrown the first punch. At which point, he can't claim self-defense.

[@shiningwaters9469]

​@@dannyblanchflower1882 That's false. See my next comment

[@kevinhornbuckle]

The jury understood that Miu was the initial aggressor. He placed himself there in order to cause conflict and violence. Therefore, he had no right to ‘stand his ground.’ Miu destroyed his own credibility by repeatedly making that claim while on the witness stand. Yet now here you are repeating the same fallacy. Have you no shame?

[@TheRobWay1]

@@kevinhornbuckleagreed. He had a chip on his shoulder going in to that group. He may have underestimated how obnoxious, drunk and aggressive these kids were though

[@ZaraAranguren-i5o]

😂 what a delusional comment....

[@mrcake19]

This guy got railroaded, let’s say the kids killed him do you think they would’ve got the same sentence. Complete BS

[@Missglam67]

They might have. I guess we’ll never know. I think would bothered the jury mostly was that he didn’t just push past them and go back to join his group and what sealed his fate was that he left the scene and tried to deny his involvement and lying not the detective. It’s like he gave up his right to self defense by those actions

[@derekintheph8935]

He's and old straight white male , liberals hate this demographic

[@GroveEndRoad]

​@@Missglam67the jury shouldn't have been bothered about that part

[@mrcake19]

@@Missglam67 agreed that didn’t look good

[@Missglam67]

@@GroveEndRoad I know. I don’t really think it’s fair although when someone dies as a result the jury was outraged that he was a minor. Nobody will ever say that out loud but there is an element of that small town vibe or cliquish feelings. I think they made up their minds that he was going to do time no matter what.

[@MD-kwtx1]

Jury got it wrong. Period. They should have convicted Jawahn Cockfield.

[@missmochiicecream]

Thank goodness you weren't on the jury for this case. What a ridiculous thing to say. You're a supporter of free speech, right?

[@sandyblanchard1978]

This 30 yr old juror sounds just like one of the states witnesses

[@violentshemp7776]

he sounds a little light in the loafers

[@sandyblanchard1978]

@violentshemp7776 lol. Maybe a little bias. Common sense is extinct and God help us all. The bar was lifted to all these young brainless bullys. As those little bity babies were laughing while the verdict was read and shaking their heads. They knew they were going to get away with this. Innocent man just lost his life for defending himself. We all should be very scared

[@PaxDisturbia]

@@sandyblanchard1978 Young brainless entitled bullies are the college frat boys who haze their pledges to death with booze. Or the urban thugs doing the smash and grab thievery, or who steal cars and run over old men on bicycles, or who do drive by gang war shootings, randomly killing kids at backyard birthday parties, or having happy meals while strapped into their car seats. Get some perspective. Where do you live, in Mayberry, in Aunt Bea's basement?

[@eriv4735]

So you’re saying he was informed on the case and made the correct decision?? Yes we know 🤷‍♂

[@YouTubenonesense]

This is where the defense lost the puppet trial. Location of the trial and juror selection.

[@FRESHL1887]

Thanks for talking to the juror. Now we know they probably all slept during the trials. How can they had watched the videos over and over again and then said it was no self-defense? What a shame!

[@doaver2.125]

Another one your kind going down. The its that look like you better realize you can't get away with murder anymore. Slowly but surely Your Privilege is being deleted.

[@MrFrog_]

@@doaver2.125 Keep assaulting OAPs big boy.

[@shiningwaters9469]

I agree!

[@GroveEndRoad]

It might be a lack of Education to

[@Amanda---]

They can re-watcch any video in the deliberation room. The judge was watching those jurors too.

[@moniccca8]

Jury members this is for you if you're reading this: hope you get your karma also yall sound literally stupid on those phones if you feel like it was justice reveal yourselves...

[@innocentbystander8038]

What a disgusting verdict.

[@ms.creepylee]

I can only hope the jury finds themselves in this type of situation and remember that they are not allowed to defend themselves.

[@CT2507]

Some of them might. And the clever ones will surely just walk away, instead of going back for a knife and instigate fights with a deadly weapon. And the stupid ones will react with retaliation just like him, and get the same fate, just like him.

[@Justinosborn]

Juror said more people claimed he hit her. Can you imagine the logic of this jury? Anytime a person is outnumbered from now on in Wisconsin I guess you just have to accept your beating or death. Because since your outnumbered the opposing side will have more people claiming they are right.

[@vladdestroyer5177]

It's all about feelings.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

I'm still baffled that twelve people can be unanimously this stupid. I'm starting to wonder if this jury was rigged

[@myfairlady5050]

No , I can’t. How is the testimony of drunk, violent teenagers who are shown lying in the video (claiming he was a pedo) credible in court? I thought credibility counted. Apparently not?

[@A.F.Fcrusader]

The justis system is ruined I wouldn’t identify myself either if I was one of those horrible Walmart degrees jurors

[@colonelradec5956]

Has nobody seen the video. It's not defense if your on offense. He walked into the river with a knife and stabbed people because he was mad. Period. The literal video is on KZbin. What's failed me is humanity cause it's shocking how many of you defend a guy clearly looking for a fight. He's guilty. Enjoy prison.

[@edwing72]

@@colonelradec5956they think respect is more valuable than human life😂.

[@eriv4735]

Seeth 🤡

[@mathewforsyth1006]

@@colonelradec5956 It begs belief, right. The people claiming self-defence are either bots, just plain ignorant, or worse, full of vindictive resentment. I hope the majority of them are bots.

[@1chrisford]

Plenty of people with REAL COLLEGE DEGREES! are every bit as imbecilic as that jury.

[@cadenisconfused2774]

this is so incredibly wrong, this is not justice, poor man. they pressed him and harassed him while he looked for his friends phone, they need serious help. free this man or atleast decrease the sentencing, i feel wronged just watching this.

[@fintan9218]

No..

[@Neesie75]

Yes

[@danielkennedy3073]

I think you are confused.

[@jj-nh8lz]

Is this the impact of the Millennials on a jury? No real life experience, but very self assured

[@WILSON.1]

Yes, exactly.

[@murrismiller2312]

the kids were well beyond foolish...and need to be in jail

[@AmandaPanda-nq1do]

If I get in a situation like this, I will not leave any witnesses alive.

[@daveydonalddoo4880]

Ok tough guy

[@Teddy-kl3zo]

Comments like this only prove psychopaths are the only people who think he's innocent.

[@hoodathunkit8255]

wowza, you people really are sick.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

​​@@Teddy-kl3zo I think he's joking. Comments like yours prove only narcissistic Karen's think he's guilty

[@Teddy-kl3zo]

@@AshleyWarrick-s7m lol 😆

[@jamescobrien]

The video itself shows both ladies assault him by shoving his chest before the fight even starts. I doubt he even punched the blonde lady, she still had her drink in her hand as he is being pushed down. May he appeal his conviction. Then putt true justice jurors on the bench. This should be a lengthy trial. He didn't just hurry up to their rafts for no reason either. Not shown on video.

[@bridgetalgeo3387]

Agree. And the one filming even admits he trips onto the tubes in the video. Literally says, "He's on camera, tripping in 4K." Then something about a cracked phone, so presumably he thought they had the phone. He clearly is not interested in them, but in looking for the friend's cell & I guess now the snorkel.

[@questianna]

@@bridgetalgeo3387 Exactly. I have been explaining this over and over to commenters who assume Miu charged at them and was looking for a fight.

[@bridgetalgeo3387]

I mean, you can see his focus is on his search. He doesn't really ever make eye contact with them. They provide the commentary that he tripped, so not sure what some are looking at. He actually moves away from them more than once, but when the women come, they close in on him. No evidence of a punch either. It's a ridiculous claim.

[@hugostiglitz5976]

Battery is "a contact that makes a reasonable person of ordinary sensibilities feel threatened"… sooooo…..who batterd who first?

[@SouthernWomanWisdom]

Why was it Miu's job to walk away? How bout raising children that are not bullying a-holes??? They could have floated on down the river themselves. This was all wrong...FREE MIU!

[@blotfd]

even miu's coloured friend testified that he didn't understand why miu even approached the young people to begin with as he could see they were intoxicated. he thought miu was behaving very strange. miu's coloured friend was the only member of miu's group that returned to help the victims of miu......

[@JoeRamirez-d8q]

Look at the video closely, listen to what they are saying, and just don't make a judgement by what the News is telling you, think for your self,

[@verifiedvette7519]

He started it and looked drunk af. He was most likely tired of putting up with young kids BS so he escalated the altercation and got jumped then felt he had to defend himself. Both parties are wrong but him being the older man he should have left them alone and went on with his day.

[@verifiedvette7519]

I don’t even listen to the news I watched the video then started debating comments

[@megmoe43]

​@@verifiedvette7519did you see that he checked his pocket for his knife before running up on the group putting hands on at least one. Did you notice he had the knife out and opened before anyone touched him?

[@EmilKlingberg]

@@verifiedvette7519 What, no, they mobbed him. He defended himself.

[@Jonahpwn]

@@EmilKlingberg Emil, he had every opportunity to leave. His ego was hurt by some kids so he wasn’t having it. Instead of being a sane sober moral prudent defender, he escalates the situation by assaulting the first woman close enough because he was scared to hit one of the guys. Good thing he’s already guilty and you dumb fucks get to seethe in defeat. I love it honestly it’s glorious

[@stephaniesmart]

Small town vibes. A town of 15k with Issacs vigil being front page news and hundreds in support - Nicolea never had a shot at an impartial jury.

[@blotfd]

even miu's coloured friend testified that he didn't understand why miu even approached the young people as they were intoxicated. he knew miu was behaving strange. miu's coloured friend was the only member of miu's group that returned to help the victims of miu.....

[@ravivandersalm4586]

Yeah it seems very obvious that he came to them looking for confrontation. If this was self defense, that would mean a serial killer could just go around provoking people until one slaps him so he can "defend" himself

[@kristinn3367]

@@blotfd his “colored” friend? When are you from, 1940?

[@EmilKlingberg]

@@ravivandersalm4586 Thats fucking bullshit, did you even watch the video?

[@blotfd]

​@@kristinn3367? it's to distinguish from miu's regular members of his group that day that testified

[@ccncate]

It would have been a hung jury if I were on the panel. What a sham verdict. I didn’t see any evidence that he threw the first punch against a dozen adversaries other than the testimonies of the same people who were looking to justify their own abhorrent behavior. He was only guilty of lying AFTER THE FACT because he was afraid of getting in trouble and of being a horrible witness. Nevertheless the video showed he was being accosted by a hostile mob. The guy talked about how he could have walked away. He was surrounded. What about noticing that the victims were not walking away.

[@slaws2279]

This juror said that Mr. Mui should’ve walked away. But he must’ve missed the jury instructions and closing argument when the judge and defense attorney said, respectively, that there’s no duty to retreat in Wisconsin.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

....not to mention, he could not have retreated as he was being assualted

[@RevTox]

There should never be a requirement to retreat when a drunken mob attacks.

[@bradyspace]

He didn't throw a single punch the entire video, but the jurors decided to believe the habitual lying punk highschool football players that he punched Madison off camera. It took them less then a day to deliberate, put Miu in prison for life because they believed 'for the culture' ring leader Jawahn. The defense did their job defending against Intentional but the prosecution cunningly and snakingly threw everything else in the book at the very end because they knew they lost their case. The uniformed jury fell for it. Terrible slimly prosecution and poorly instructed weak jury. Sad, I hope Miu gets pardoned.

[@fintan9218]

Did you even watch the trial, miu basically admitted it, his own friends testified they saw him do it, on video you hear everyone say “you dont hit a girl”, and witnesses that weren’t involved testified he did. A medical professional testified she was likely punched. Get over it, jesus… He pulled knife right before hitting her when nobody had even touched him… how do you defend this? Its so obvious you all either are the type of people who dream about getting in altercations where you can use deadly force or are blinded by emotIon because youve had people call you names and you sympathize with miu because of that…despite him murdering someone.

[@foylebutler8952]

Obviously the entire were liberals. They probably all support hamass as well.

[@teleskopossomnium]

this

[@cmat4106]

what a stupid comment. He was also the only one with a knife and the only one who cut 5 people. he walked without a scratch.

[@slaws2279]

Exactly- I don’t believe that he hit Madison, and the only one who I found credible was Tony Carlson who actually testified that he didn’t see Mr. Mui hit Madison.

[@tinasilvercat6923]

Dear Jurors, YOU EFFED UP!!!

[@eriv4735]

🤡

[@tmcurly]

No you are silly if saying someone is innocent based on that little video clip.. Go look at the key evidence first. This was nowhere near self defence. He knew it that’s why he lied so bad in his interrogation

[@outoftime7740]

No your thoughts are

[@OpinionParade]

*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.

[@outoftime7740]

@OpinionParade Nope you have that wrong. Your thug and criminal, is in prison, where he freaking belongs.

[@ronaldvalle2857]

If he did punch first, THEN WHY DIDN’T THEY WALK AWAY!! That excuse is so ignorant!! Still can’t believe it. Anyone has the right to defend them selfs. Ridicules comment!

[@camden_96]

'anyone has the right to defend themselves' 'even if he did punch first why didn't they walk away'

[@debbies6494]

Those jurors were so wrong!

[@vickivallencourt9068]

If you can’t even show your face to explain why you just declared someone to be guilty ON A SELF DEFENSE CASE, YOU KNOW YOUR WRONG!

[@gbh5912]

Absolute words of wisdom !

[@eriv4735]

Keep telling yourself that but in REALITY if you can’t see why this guy was CLEARLY guilty, you should just keep it to yourself instead of making an idiot out of yourself 🤦‍♂🤣😂

[@eriv4735]

gbh5912 Words of idiocy definitely 🤡

[@gbh5912]

@@eriv4735 You're the one who sports the image of a clown, do you even know that? Anyway, I wish you best, it must be painful knowning you're being raised with a father that doesn't wear the pants in the family, it's why you fear Nicolae and want him destroyed. But please know- Miu is a real man, he's what humans need to guide us to success and balance, he did what nature instructed and when you grow and find courage you'll understand- Best wishes little one, peace~~

[@gbh5912]

@@eriv4735 Love your self imagery! So, ok for you to shun an Alpha male due to fear so say that's done... Now comes the charges for most of the others, I mean- you say you live by the video so you MUST see things that are also criminal, no?

[@joshuayoung5268]

Many vs one they initiated the fight. If they would have paid him no mind it wouldn’t have happened

[@HeatherBDentureDiVa]

He was protecting himself! That video of everything that happened. All the young people bullied abused and was going to kill him! The video showed those kids were attacking him. He just asked for a lost phone and snorkel mask. Why didn't the kids get in any trouble? Abuse,bullying, attacking, under age drinking and smoking weed

[@Docrocks437]

This juror might help with an appeal. Part of their decision was based on that he could of walked away. By law he did not have to flee from the angry mob of teenagers.

[@LynnVon3443]

He went back twice pretended he had nothing to do with it ditched the knife he made himself look bad

[@dare3575]

​​@@LynnVon3443Doesn't matter, he still defending himself period. And the judicial system failed him.

[@TrevByTheTon300]

​@dare3575 you're defending a drunk killer, you're the failure.

[@ramadamming8498]

Exactly, in that moment, after already being verbally abused and harrassed, how can one know if walking away will then lead to being followed. Who knows.

[@rawveganterra]

@@LynnVon3443 The slashing injuries he inflicted are what made him look bad 😰😖 what about some lying 🤥 I cannot stop cringing about those injuries. 😱😣

[@JayRose904]

Bullshit, them kids should all go to prison

[@codyparker4742]

Our Judicial system is a joke

[@carriepaasch7605]

Thats bull crap!!!! He had no choice that defend himself they wouldnt stop! They instigated this and asked for it! These jurors make me sick!!!!! These kids deserve a huge humbling!!!! And so do their parents clearly...this is disgusting they would sentence this man

[@timmy2310]

So wait, you're expected to explain to an angry mob that you have a "deadly weapon" on you when you may have to defend yourself? These jurors should be ashamed of themselves.

[@missmochiicecream]

Yes. Yes! You are. It is reasonable to expect a 52 year old man (who is very intelligent!) to declare that he has a weapon and will use it if they don't back off. OR, incredibly, he could have walked away or avoided a group of rowdy teenagers in the first place. Imagine that.

[@chaozboy9482]

Wisconsin should be ashamed

[@eriv4735]

They are, just not in the way you’re implying 🤦‍♂

[@chaozboy9482]

@@eriv4735 As I said, they should be ashamed

[@eriv4735]

🤡

[@SteelmoonFerina]

This is nothing but sad on all sides, EVERYONE who testified Lied in one way or another, NO ONE had a straight story. This trial showed not only that People have no rights to defend themselves, But also that the Bullies in this story get away with it. There have been so many movements for ANIT BULLIEING in schools all over the World! Yet the bullies get away with what they did in this story. there is NO ONE innocent in this case.

[@ToxicPythonTheUltimateGamer]

I wish his charge would be appealed. It’s sad that an old defenseless man cannot even defend himself once he has the means to do so

[@questianna]

Not to mention how they defamed his character by posting online that he was a pedophile looking for "little girls."

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

I wouldn't call Miu defenseless. I think he defended himself like a boss, but was defenseless against the states unwarranted charges,and a jury that lacked common sense, reasoning, and empathy

[@dannyball2503]

We had more people that said he punched her, so they say. I saw that , witnesses saying it happened. No video evidence of this to save the day. Trouble was inconsistencies in the stories, I did not think them kids were credible. I think they texted and made up a story in the months prior to trial. Would love to subpoena all the cell phone records to make sure they were not scheming and convicting a man that was trying to not get pounded into the river. Nobody held back and everyone was healthy enough to walk away, not just Miu! I also think it’s disgusting of the prosecutor to not charge for underage drinking or anything for them including the Cannibis possession. There is no medical or recreational in Wisconsin, that’s an arrest in Wisconsin. I don’t agree with the verdict , some twisted logic there.

[@Jonahpwn]

MIU LITERALLY ADMITTED TO TOUCHING/PUNCHING HER ON STAND LMAOOO GET FUCKED

[@jefffraser4345]

Almost all our all of them told police about the supposed punch. I think every single one said their statements to police about the punch was false because they all made the mistake of trying to describe the fake punch, so everyone's story was different before they could cordinate the lie. Enough was flushed out in the trial that anyone claiming he punched the girl is lying and knows it. Both tactics used by the mob are well known tactics used by groups that want to have fun beating up a stranger for fun. - falsely call someone a pedo and try to incite other random people to get involved in the beating (pedo is moral/pseudo legal justification and cover for the beating, including other strangers is cover) - Send in a women to start the fight with the men right behind her. At this point the beating is going to happen since any movement even to walk away or just block will be claimed as hitting a girl and 'justifying' brutally beating up the victim. Notice how fast everyone mobbed in, everyone knew the game plan. Not one single white knight thought to protect the girls by getting them away or stopping them from physically fighting with a stranger.

[@itsjasonovak]

This comment right here is a textbook example of mental illness. People are dead and you want the judge to shift his focus to charging misdemeanors....very very brain dead and I fear for anyone who has to interact with you in society

[@TrevByTheTon300]

​@jefffraser4345 you literally just made that up stop lying he was intoxicated so were they. They acted out. He in a drunken manner WITH A WEAPON stabbed around with disregard for life. What if an officer grabbed him and he stabbed?? Yall will argue tooth and nail for a drunk killer online i swear.

[@jefffraser4345]

@@TrevByTheTon300 He wasn't intoxicated, only the attackers. To say someone is making things up that are clearly seen on the video and supported by the testimony of everyone there while pushing a completely made up lie.

[@nameisprivate5429]

That jury got it so so wrong. This is sad. I hope he can appeal.

[@Jay-fq8uz]

I disagree, getting beat up and killing someone is a lot different… he totally could’ve walked away. They weren’t jumping him or else he would’ve been out cold like when he got slapped in the video.

[@tobiwalker7145]

I didn't buy the "punch." I don't think walking downriver is a strategy to get away from people who are floating downriver. I think Miu was defending himself and the kids were lying BUT that Miu's apparent callousness and entitlement convicted him. He did not come across like a scared, feeble old man...which at the time of the incident, he may well have been.

[@candykane4271]

Dante’s police report was credible right after the event, he said Ryley was punched. Ryley herself said she felt a punched but it was a jab. Those two were most credible until they wander off on some air punch of Madison. There simply isn’t one second allowed for this bogus punch.

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

These jury members must be dumb they went by their emotions instead of the law and common sense...its bad when the jury sides with the bully's...

[@betty-janececile5214]

He threw the first punch could have walked away erik Williams testamony didn't want mui to snorkel down the lake because mui could be preserved as a pervert no one In that group wanted him to go look for the phone

[@HappyEagle-rh2bl]

@@betty-janececile5214you don’t even watch the fucking video he did NOT THROW THE FIRST PUNCH

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

@betty-janececile5214 they didn't own the river... also it seems they can do whatever they like to him but he can't do anything to them.. what law in any country says u can take the law into ur own hands even if he had punched the girl which in my opinion she deserved it.. they shouldn't have touched him they should have phoned the police.. so all these people( not kids ) took the law into their own hands without any consequences...that is against the law so where are their charges..

[@CT2507]

You would rather the jury side with the killer?

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

@CT2507 they brought it on themselves he wasnt violent till they attacked him have u heard of self defence that's what this case is but the dumb jury couldn't grasp the reality of it..

[@Leatherhead4Hire]

What a joke! "There were so many things that were not true that he said" WTF!!! How about the naive, belligerent, entitled pricks that clearly committed perjury?!?!? From my recollection, every male witness for the state that was amongst the murder of crows that were cackling and assaulting Miu, there was even more said that wasnt true! AND PROVEN!! Glad to now know that if I defend myself in my home state against one or more of these disrespectful, nonsensical jokers that make up this dolt of a generation, chances are I'll be the one to be bear the "burden" of accountability! This trial was a gross display of our broken system.

[@eriv4735]

It’s over your head bud 🤦‍♂

[@brandonborkowski8312]

@@eriv4735 Maybe explain it to this poor man better That we don't have a functional judicial system in our country. A jury with room temperature IQ's are defiantly not my peers.

[@Ancient_Entity]

Boo hoo... don't approach people fast and agressive reaching into their floats and stuff or heres one... don't disembowel children.

[@Ancient_Entity]

​@@brandonborkowski8312 it would need a jury of people with downs syndrome to be your peers if you think he shouldn't have gotten at least the estimated length of life of the human being he willingly snuffed out clown.

[@Leatherhead4Hire]

@@Ancient_Entity you sound like the adults that got slit. You know, the one the testified.

[@TK-gx4ze]

What a failure of justice. Guy gets attacked by a mob and the prosecution witnesses are all idiots and can't recall or match stories, or who commented purjury, but this guy still gets screwed. Sad. Parents of those kids should be ashamed of their actions and ashamed of their lies.

[@amberturdcoloringbook1733]

I know. the kids parents are Trump supporters, they are entitled to win. The Romanian man had no chance. sad but true

[@Riana.dS.]

Drunk young men and women started the entire event at / in the Apple River that day. Mr Miu was on his own, well behaved, minding his own business, not disturbing anyone and looking for something with his goggles in shallow water. It was totally unnecessary to be confronted by drunk youths, who also unnecessarily started horrible name-calling and harrassment of Mr Miu. Soon gradually joined by equally dunk youths, the harassment continued and escalated. Mr Miu did not bring a knife on that day, planning or hoping to injure, or kill, someone. It apears that the sport tubing requires knives for cutting ropes, etc. Like other people, Mr Miu was in possession of a knife for that purpose. Mr Miu was a single person, being confronted and aggrevated by a group of very drunk people, also having knives in their possession. It was, however, wrong swinging the knife, injuring people. On the other hand, If the drunk youth minded their own business and left Mr Miu alone to enjoy his day at the river, the entire horrible event would have been avoided !!!!!!!!!!

[@RoccoD-gb8hi]

This is absolute insanity. What in the world should he have done? Jurors are absolute idiots.

[@Amanda---]

Walk away.

[@eriv4735]

NOT instigate the entire situation for starters 🤡

[@missmochiicecream]

The guy the phone belonged to, that Miu went to go look for - there was testimony saying that he didn't want Miu to go and look for the phone but Miu did it anyway. Multiple times he had an opportunity to avoid conflict and get out of the situation, but he didn't. It's only insanity because you choose to see what you want to see and ignore everything else.

[@tmcurly]

The idiot is 👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾 Look at the entire evidence what the heck. Zero self defence. It was pretty obvious he was never going home ever again from the evidence..

[@Kayluv101]

Not pull a knife he instigated then turned it deadly.. a they didn’t threaten his life

[@TRUTHbomb2.0]

The jury got it wrong, they voted on emotions not law. Every witness for the prosecution lied. Coen and Madison put their hands on Miu 1st.Cockflield slandered Miu which lead to the frenzy. It was self defense.

[@Harley57]

When is Maddison going to be charged, she is the reason everything escalated? What is a woman? Where’s the outcry, the wrong noun was used? Can’t use gender-fluid when it’s only to your advantage. Her testimony was he punched her left cheek with his left hand. When told that was impossible, she says she gets her lefts & rights mixed up, really? She was punched so hard, she couldn’t remember which cheek he punched. She never spilled a drop of her drink, held on to her Vape, didn’t loose her sunglasses, all while being punched, that’s pretty good balance. Also, of all the ‘victims’, she was the ONLY that didn’t want her testimony on camera for everyone to see. Hmmm…. Watch witness Lorraine Davis’s video, as LE arrives, Madison is walking up the embankment, hair down, completely dry. Why was she so fast to get out of there? Again, when will she be charged? Camera guy JuWahn Cockfield also should face charges, how does he sleep at night?

[@TJ-so9xo]

Never, they will never face any charges. Its because Nic took the law into his own hands that day so HE charged them and punished them by stabbing them and attempting to murder them. That was overkill. To be exact

[@Nono38-jj1tk]

​@@TJ-so9xoThey have to face charges for underage drinking, illicit drug use, harassment and elderly abuse. They choked him, slapped him, knocked him down in the water almost drowning him. They need to be charged.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

​@@Nono38-jj1tkthey need to but they won't. The prosecution in this case had inaccurate sympathy for the aggressors and unwarranted contempt for the victim

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

As far as I'm concerned. She never even testified. The prosecutions case was hinged on whether or not Mr Miu struck Maddison. This is a murder trial her butt should have been on the stand unmuted in the courtroom. It's almost like the prosecution trying to hide their star witness

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

@@TJ-so9xo no Mr Miu didn't murder or attempt to murder anyone. He defended himself against a group of aggressors

[@thelatestgreatest8082]

This is disgusting. The poor guy. The kids are the ONLY ones who should be put in prison. They are THE REASON for this.

[@SovereignStatesman]

JACKPOT! The jurors blamed Miu for failing to retreat; but as the defense-lawyer said, there is NO DUTY to retreat, under Wisconsin law. So the verdict was unconstitutional, and now Miu can appeal on that basis. And what's more, they're saying "he can't claim self defense if he hit first," but that's WRONG since they ILLEGALLY PROVOKED it. This is the most messed-up case I've EVER seen, and it makes me sick; and I can't imagine this will go to sentencing.

[@jacobester4729]

Unfortunate for the USA or rather the state of Wisconsin that there is Clearly No Requirement for the Jury to be literate.... This is as clear cut self defence...

[@goawwy]

Not. He's guilty

[@LukeSkywalker-io2bh]

Agreed. It is shocking. Joke of a justice system.

[@Gold_exe]

They let these sick kids get away with this. Imagine what thats going to do to their already entitled egos.

[@questianna]

My parents taught us to be courteous and polite, and of course, not lie to frame someone or distract from our own faults.

[@Gold_exe]

@@questianna You were raised right then. Something all these little monsters that testified during this trial can not relate to.

[@laurahelbling5363]

Self defense- free Nic.

[@itsjasonovak]

Defend Mui lying over and over and over. Who acts in self defense and then pretends they had no part? Wouldn't you want to prove your innocence?

[@tinasilvercat6923]

💯

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

He really didn't do himself any favors by going to toss the weapon after the fact, putting on clothes to make himself less recognizable, tried to avoid police, pretending that he did not know what went on during the altercation, and lying to police like when he said he took the knife he used from one of the teens. All those things scream someone who knew they did something wrong, and it seems that the jury felt the same way.

[@Sharifthechief]

Fear is a thing

[@danielkennedy3073]

It's crazy how many people either dismiss these facts, or just don't know. The jurors got it right.

[@Scott-og1pi]

Thank you!

[@Maudernized]

Exactly, he took it too far and missed many opportunitids to walk away

[@thedaciana]

​@@MaudernizedHow many opportunities did those "assaulters/attackers" have to walk away/stop assaulting him, but chose not too.

[@demibailey7019]

Verdict makes me disgusted

[@loloholmes2793]

7 hrs of deliberation? The jurors already had their minds made up. That was completely self-defense, if looked at with the legal definition of self-defense, (see youtube channel Law of Self Defense) This was a small community that's been inundated with media coverage & the families are from the area.... the guilty verdict was inevitable

[@fintan9218]

It wasn’t self defense… you dont get to start altercation and stab your way out of it…

[@kristinn3367]

The idiocy of the Rural Juror.

[@jeffa847]

The juror said Miu could have walked away. You know who else could have walked away? A) The Carlson group. B) the teenager group. But wait!! Actually both those groups had to actually walk INTO the final moments of the confrontation. The Carlson group from across the river and the teenagers had to FOLOW Miu as he walked over 5 or 6 steps toward Madison Coen (very wrongly thinking he could explain his side of the story to Madison). In fact in their case the teenagers could have literally sat down in their tubes and the river would have carried them away. They wouldn't even have to lose any face or have a bruised ego. They could have walked away feeling like 'we showed that guy' In addition to that - Wisconsin has no "duty to retreat" so if they were actually applying the law the juror would never say that . I'm not really on Miu's side. I think if you put me in charge of both deciding what charges there would be and what sentences there should be I would probably send Miu, Dante, and A.J. to a year or two in prison and Madison and Rhyle (sp?) to jail for a couple months. Without the Carlson group it would have just been an argument. In fact I suspect without Madison's fingers and phone stuck in Miu's face no one would have been punched or killed. Good job Madison.

[@jeffa847]

@@AshleyWarrick-s7m She did testify but refused to do so on camera. She resisted testifying as did a lot of people surrounding this.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

@@jeffa847 she testified but all we have is a transcript of what she said. I wonder if that was her decision or the prosecutions decision. It just seems strange that the prosecutions star witness was never actually seen or heard by anyone outside of the courtroom

[@jeffa847]

@@AshleyWarrick-s7m Yeah I thought so too. The way I read it Madison was the one who insisted that she not testify on camera and was refusing to even testify in the beginning. I don't know if you caught it in the trial but the Carlson dad claimed on the stand that he saw a picture of Madison's supposed swollen cheek from the punch on Madison's mom's phone but that the investigators didn't want the picture. That seemed total BS to me. That whole supposed punch happened in about 2 seconds. A whole bunch of the participants claimed she was knocked over until the video showed otherwise.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

@@jeffa847 that's very interesting. I only watched tidbits of the trial, and this is the first time I've heard about this. To me, this is starting to look more and more like a botched trial

[@jeffa847]

@@AshleyWarrick-s7m I hope it legally is considered a botched trial and he can get a new one - though it doesn't sound likely. I don't know that he is entirely innocent but I also can see that he was put in a really bad position and it's similar to some experiences I have had so I have some empathy for what it is like to have a large group (or two groups) aggressively antagonize you and surround you. I saw a legal analysis of it done by a lawyer and he felt that he would be sentenced to near the max which would be a life sentence for him. He's a 52 year old engineer with zero criminal record prior to this incident compared to the numerous felonies accumulated by some of the opposing party in their early 20s. Watching their behavior on the video it did not surprise me when they reported their criminal histories

[@Daxas44]

Did the jury not watch the videos? Totally self defense as there's no proof he hit her and every single witness had a different story

[@oneazterisk4669]

It should be against the law to use the exact same jury for two different cases because obviously they recalled the O.J. Simpson Jurors…

[@questianna]

Oh! I thought they were the Casey Anthony/Pinellas County, Florida jurors...

[@kellyg2426]

This ranks right up there with the OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony verdict=total bull💩

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

Only this time an innocent man is going to prison

[@JimBiggr]

A jury of your peers can sometimes mean a jury of morons unfortunately.

[@danielcondon1607]

Aint my peers!!!

[@AMS7200]

Any decent person would have offered to help him look for the phone. Those drunken thugs were responsible for their friend’s death and all their injuries. They threatened harassed and intimidated Miu so he was only protecting himself. I truly pray the judge sees how wrong the jury was and pardons Miu. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😢😢He doesn’t deserve to die in prison. They instigated the whole thing. I don’t believe for a second he punched that brain dead blond. They all lied. 🤥

[@ryzele.5205]

Agreed💯

[@LQ_1980]

Why don’t they explain the way those bully teens were verbally and physically abusing him at the river …. This was self defense , surrounded by 8 teens …

[@blue_diamond_gem]

If you watch the video the jurors got it wrong.

[@TrevByTheTon300]

Oh you're a lawyers?? They got it Right. He wasnt supposed to be there and was asked to leave then yelled at. Would you not walk away or run away when a group yells at you(he's drunk and doesn't have reguard for life). Then lets ignore the 13 sings and just start stabbing the air. 😂😂😂 Youre numb.

[@karynknutson1480]

There was 0 physical evidence that Mui punched first. 0.

[@questianna]

Yet, there is 100% evidence they defamed him and assaulted him first and repeatedly.

[@karynknutson1480]

@@questianna curious, isn't it?

[@notinavacuum5966]

There is NO proof he punched or hit Madison. They went entirely off of what everyone was saying, even though stories differed dramatically. She also didn’t have ANY marks proving she was hit. The impression I got was that he swapped her hand away when she raised it to him. I hope he appeals, as this alone is enough to cast the decision into question. The jury did not even factor in reasonable doubt.

[@questianna]

I recall Chirafisi instructing the jury during summation, If you think the Defendant...acted in self-defense, probably acted in self-defense, possibly acted in self-defense, possibly didn't act in self-defense, or even probably didn't act in self-defense, then...you must acquit.

[@notinavacuum5966]

@@questianna ​​⁠Yep, exactly. Yet the jury didn’t follow these instructions. Also, the reasoning according to the juror who was interviewed indicates they ignored these instructions.

[@YouTubenonesense]

The location of the trial was wrong, the selection of the jurors was wrong and everything was set up from the start to convict him disregarding truth and common sense. I do not believe mr Miu had the speed to chase them one by one and stab them. Most likely he stabbed them when they gang jumped on him. A lot of these young men lied or changed their story during trial but the jurors did not care. Defense lost the trial probably on purpose by accepting the trial so close to the aggressors that are now considered victims. They said he should have walked away but obviously they pretend they don't know or understand that his group was not down the river, nobody owns the rights to be on the river and most importantly they have amnesia and forget that they were coming at him seconds before the incident as he was on the retreat as he is punched/pushed in the water. This decision is as racist as it gets. Puppet show trial!

[@jeffna1802]

Miu was assaulted and battered FIRST.

[@stefgent88]

"I don’t want to be cynical, but when I, as a Swiss person, heard that the weapon was a Swiss Army knife, I was impressed by its sharpness and proud of our craftsmanship."

[@Amblix]

being judged by a jury of your peers is the WORST possible situation you can be in. that's a jury of average members of society. think about how dumb the average person is that you encounter during your day-to-day. that's your jury. they get to decide your fate based on a lot of he said, she said. a lot of them could sit there, have a lawyer gas light them that grass is always red, and decide to believe him with reasoning along the lines of "he's a lawyer. he must be smart".

[@candykane4271]

I’m an average older person, but I know it takes more than 6 hours to review facts.

[@anthonyr1551]

They literally pushed him down and slapped him before he drew his knife.

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

...and he literally was assaulted three times and was about to be assaulted a fourth time before he used the knife

[@ultimaratio7373]

A travesty of justice. There's nothing in the video backing up the claims of the jurors, on the contrary it supports mr Miu's version. You have to be willfully obtuse to believe the "victims" distortions and contradictions.

[@caladesi]

All he did was lie does that make you question his character

[@ManofLowMoralFiber]

Self defense is dead. Never talk to police. Never engage in an argument with mixed race kids.

[@melb1215]

Jury got it wrong