Apple River stabbing trial: State's rebuttal to closing arguments [FULL]

[@JJJ5.7]

Hes not a skilled liar. Hes actually horrible at it.

[@briansmith5293]

And I thought Trump was an unskilled liar. 🤣

[@justaguy-69]

all the witnesses lied on the stand.

[@johnwheelz1699]

What you think Bidens family is not liars??? Cmon now you brainwashed all politicians are liars or are you not paying attention in life???

[@TheBillyBlack]

He’s guilty and Trump won.

[@ticesine6589]

Lol it's true

[@alanboody7004]

The fact that he refused to walk away when he had plenty of opportunity and people were telling him to leave tells me he stayed, because he was ANGRY, not fearful. Everyone that believes he was fearful refuses to explain that part other than, "he didn't have to leave." If you're fearful in a situation and you have the chance to leave you're leaving. You're not repeatedly turning your back on the teens you're fearful of. The people that side with Miu here can't get past the defendant's framing, "old, feeble man got bullied by teens and defended himself," bs. This guy wasn't feeble. He stabbed FIVE PEOPLE with zero injuries to himself. Someone's that feeble isn't doing that... wtf is wrong with you?

[@alanboody7004]

@@Anna-ww4pv Yet, he's the one claiming he was in fear, yet he didn't leave despite having plenty of chances. Instead, he stayed and took out a knife and even turned his back on the teens multiple times. Instinctively, people don't turn their back on others unless they're running away. Also, Miu proved he's a liar and that he'll lie about anything to get out of trouble, and even make things up completely.

[@hughobrien4139]

The notion that citizens are subject to arbitrary orders from another is a tyrannical mindset.

[@MyDoppleganger20]

Didn't they encircle him though? Like a pack of wolves

[@maxpunkin3128]

Why should he,it's a free River, and I believed if he hasn't walked away they would have continued to taunt him and possibly even drowned him

[@alo2x1]

Hilarious that you think he has any obligation whatsoever to have to walk away, its a public area. What makes you think you have the right to gang up on anyone? Tell me when Miu was supposed to walk away? When these drunks were pushing him over and punching him in the face? All caught on camera too. These idiots fucked around and found out

[@kenn1936]

'Avoiding Consequences " - basically says it all. He was determined to walk away from that river, and go home, never letting on that he was even involved in that incident. "What is going on, heard someone got stabbed", he said to the police officer.

[@poboxchristmas380]

He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.

[@glenforde6558]

None of that matters regarding self defense.

[@CKing-388]

@@glenforde6558Yes it does. But, you can’t run up on people touch them provoke them then claim self defense.

[@glenforde6558]

@@CKing-388 except, the video shows none of that happened. He told them he was looking for his goggles by the inner tubes.

[@CKing-388]

@@glenforde6558 He physically stopped them by touching them. Which is assault in and of itself. Then he hit a woman. Which again is assault. You can’t provoke an altercation then claim self defense.

[@junejeni]

Can't be said enough, this guy's rebuttal won the case

[@trashcameraguy999]

Before he knew there was a video, he tried to lie and say he wasn't even there.

[@undercoveragent9889]

lol The 'children' _knew_ about the video and _they_ lied about it too. Soooo...

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

Doesn’t matter. Cope. You identify with those punks so you defend that behavior

[@GonnaGetYouBoi]

@@undercoveragent9889 evil person discovered. go back to your hole.

[@1chrisford]

For an odd, introverted immigrant engineer, he did a very unintelligent thing talking to police. Something serious and you are a suspect YOU NEVER TALK TO POLICE, Badged State Investigators, YOU NEVER TALK TO FEDERAL AGENTS. AND YOU ESPECIALLY NEVER TALK IF YOU ARE INNOCENT. Had Miu been black, he would not have been charged. Had Miu not concealed the knife, not lied to police, the investigator, the forensic nurse he would not have had angry to be lied at state DA's office throw him in jail for two years on a self defense case.

[@lukeGGlee]

@@1chrisfordnot really that clear cut. Maybe if he pulled the knife on the 1st altercation. But the second altercation after everybody appeared to calmdown , he had his knife ready , clearly in the video And then attacks the girl who was speaking to him. Which is what proviked the kids to attack. This case could also be seen from the kids perspective as self defense. Only reason Miu is getting the piss. Is because he decided to use a lethal weapon. Instead of just explaining what he was doing “hey guys im looking for a phone”, nope. Instead he just touches their stuff , probably touched the kids while looking for the phone. imagine your family in that position a scraggly looking guy without explanation touching ur stuff and friends and not saying anything would think it suspicious and you would probably react with physical force

[@eura542]

His actions after the stabbings do not match what his lawyers have constructed for him now. He had to lie about the knife because he knew he was wrong.

[@Fatguylittlecoat1996]

He was already in jail when he was interrogated. He was scared so he lied . Why was he in jail to begin with ? Did you watch the video ? How can you defend these horrible teenagers after seeing them bully and attack him ?

[@donjonjr1]

he was in jail for stabbing multiple people. How can you defend this convicted murder ​@@Fatguylittlecoat1996

[@todddanforth8853]

All he had to do is walk away.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

@@todddanforth8853 He did. They followed him.

[@marymac789]

@@Fatguylittlecoat1996 He disguised himself when he left the scene. He threw away the knife at the scene. He was caught at the spot where the tubers would leave the river, ~ at some park. Google "Video of Nick Mui in police cruiser". He was NOT at the jail when the lies began. He is as guilty as sin.

[@MontyRoyal963]

If the video wasn't available he would have sowed seed the doubt

[@marymac789]

Only a fool would have believed even one word that came from it's mouth. His testimony was filled with contradictions as well as the police interrogation on that day. ALL of those involved, as well as witnesses, were questioned on the day of the murders. No one had time to get together to corroborate their stories. The way he spoke to the police officer from the police cruiser that day made my blood go cold. People are saying that HE was in shock and giving all sorts of excuses for him. Nonsense.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

@@marymac789 That's how I feel about all those lowlife "children".

[@mrx2586]

Unlikely - there were far far too many witnesses. the video gave them the means to claim false narratives ( claiming the teens behaviour was in some way threatening, grossly exaggerating the extent to the which he was attacked, would not have conveniently caught everything except the start of the attack ect )

[@dumpsterlures]

If he is claiming "self defense" he def shouldn't of lied his azz off to police. I think he will get some charges, not first degree. Some of the ppl stabbed were not threatening his life, they were just near him when he got poke happy.

[@melodieshimon]

After stabbing someone in back you can’t claim self defence. After stabbing he left scene , threw away knife , when police confronted him he said kids were fighting down there pretending to know nothing , he said kids had knifes another lie.

[@l-train7876]

Who…got stabbed in the back??

[@UzeUrBrain]

Yeah- he said and did weird things after. Doesn't matter in the least. We have the video of what happened. Did it occur to you that the blow to the head affected his memory?

[@julesy48]

@@UzeUrBrain it absolutely matters.

[@CheeseCrumbs00]

​@@l-train7876 Tony

[@lesleyhughes3174]

​@@UzeUrBrainthe nurse had a tough time trying to find anything except those from being on his knees on the stones using his snorkel. He even told her that. No bump on his head at all. You definitely need to do your homework on medical causations.

[@sharonreilly2202]

Thought it odd Miu continually didn't remember a lot but only spoke about how he was "feeling"

[@alexzombi2104]

Probably a strategy with his lawyer. Every trial is like a chess game and you decide your strategy

[@UzeUrBrain]

Why would that be odd? We can all SEE what he did. the entire point of his testimony is to know WHY/how he felt.

[@lilithstribe]

He's kinesthetic.

[@Truelib99Hobbes]

That was an incredibly traumatic situation. His initial lies didn't seem suspicious, he seemed like a really traumatized individual, likely afraid that he wouldn't be treated fairlyl, and it turns out he hasn't been treated fairly.

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

He claims absolutely no anger though. The whole time he was never angered. I guess he is right. He wasn't angry, he was enraged!

[@annieliebert]

This prosecutor is so much better than the other one-I'm glad he did the closing rebuttal.

[@Columbiagorgekayaker541]

The prosecutor is a moron

[@OCDTraci]

YES!!! The other guy is about as interesting as a loaf of bread

[@publicanimal]

This rebuttal was a master stroke. I'm so gratified that he was found guilty. I was hoping he would be convicted of murder, but I'm not surprised that 12 people wouldn't agree to that. Had I been on the jury I would've spent a lot of time trying to convince the holdouts that the case for at least 2nd degree murder had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The people defending him seem to be callous and damaged people. It's a real sign of a sick society that so many people would defend him.

[@marymac789]

I also believe it should have been premeditated murder. It was testified, by HIS own group, that he went back to his group at least once. I believe that he went back to fetch that knife and that is what makes it premeditated. I also believe that you are absolutely right with respect to those who defend him being damaged people. How else could they relish in the death of a 17-year old boy? They fell for the defense attorney's lies as well. Not able to see the truth of things with their own eyes. Those who took the stand, with the exception of Mui, DID tell the truth of what they saw that day. They all admitted that they were wrong in taunting the creature and they all admitted that they should not have done that. They admitted their short comings in the action. NO LIES...it was two years ago and they had gone through a horrible tragedy. Mui did nothing but lie through his teeth and kept blaming the victims.

[@martygras378]

​@@marymac789I agree with almost everything you said. I disagree with calling those that only watched the video as being callous, you can get a soft spot for someone that is older, that is being verbally attacked by teens, and some people really latch onto a stand your ground defense, they don't believe in just walking away from trouble, or trying to deescalate with words.

[@martygras378]

The problem with people not using words, de-escalating, or walking away, if we have too many people that have a first instinct of 'standing my ground', we are then likely to see a lot more murders. I could have stood my ground murdered people many times in my past, but I chose to either walk away, or to de-escalate with words. I am sure that is true for many people, and it's kept us out of prison.

[@exwyzee]

They should have investigated more into the mans psych and emotional history for a better background on him. Lots of psychos have no rap sheet till they get caught killing

[@Treviso100]

It’s irrelevant.

[@motherofcats2712]

I was thinking this as well. But, there must not be any history or the prosecution would have used it.

[@alanboody7004]

@@Treviso100 It's actually relevant.

[@Treviso100]

@@alanboody7004 What’s happened in his past has no relevance as to whether this was self defense. But to answer your question, he’s never be even had a parking ticket. He’s a highly educated engineer who speaks 5 languages. He’s an upstanding citizen, especially compared to the drunken lowlifes who were hassling him and attacking him, just for the fun of it.

[@Treviso100]

@@motherofcats2712 he’s never even had a parking ticket.

[@messiah4980]

NEVER MAKE A STATEMENT TO POLICE

[@123hgardner]

That man was not afraid. When he had that knife in his hand and no one knew it he had glee in his eyes. He was enjoying himself. Sick, sick man.

[@bluefenixalchemy7]

Yes he did appear to be enjoying himself immensely, I think his family knows he is a predator. He rubbed that knife through his shorts, sorta like psychopath.

[@jackson9282]

He was a psychopath, no doubt, looked like he was having a orgasm before he punched her.

[@ScmittyMcTittyKitty]

⁠@@bluefenixalchemy7this man is a veteran, an intelligent mechanical engineer with multiple degrees, and was a life long law abiding citizen with not one speeding ticket, not a single slight. That is until he cut the guts out of these young people. He has tried too hard to be perfect and In the end, he’s apparently a psychopath. The nicest, most put together people are, IMO, the worst behind closed doors. Why didn’t his friends or wife speak up? Bc they’re scared of him also.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

@@bluefenixalchemy7 that's a really gay thing to say.

[@lynnvon8758]

For Nicky to say he's a frail old man is ridiculous. He gave no effs about being old his surgery nothing when he killed he did it intentionally and fast

[@leapinglaura7343]

This lawyer's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I remember this closing, many months after hearing it, and I'll remember some sentences YEARS from now. That's what's known as effective.

[@caligula9292]

Miu went past self defense. He did not have to stab 5 people to defend himself.

[@yGcH7]

so it was kinda self defence?

[@sunnyshine4621]

Something else happened because there was 2 knives

[@MelSan-jc8nk]

Wrong. The keep coming after him. Those men were the aggressors

[@kennyjames4679]

@@sunnyshine4621 There was one knife, are you miu? lol.

[@justinwebb134]

​@yGcH7 the law doesn't work that way. It is or it is not.

[@deniseluna1075]

Stay in your group….never leave your clan to go bother others

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

Ok commie. I bet you love daddy government 😂

[@CatalinaFOIA]

100% As avid water adventurers we always stay to ourselves. Everyone should do the same. We always assume people are armed or have a weapon. Never underestimate what a person will do to protect their own life or their family and friends lives.

[@deepauley2742]

He didn't have to give the knife to the police. He needed to talk to noone bu,t his attorney. He was provoked, reacted in fear and then panicked afterwards. He was there searching for something, they were there tormenting for fun.

[@judithdean8750]

He took a knife to a non knife fight ….. guilty

[@justice-jb5ld]

@@jillianrose3288 He is the one that was bulling the kids, they were keep asking him to go away, to leave them alone. Plus, he wasn’t been a good friend whenever he went to the kids, his friend Ariel already told him that he didn’t care about his phone, because the insurance covered the lost. The bully went toward them looking for trouble.

[@XXDSCOTT]

This man was not scared he snapped! Utter disregard for human life! Guilty on all counts! This man will go to jail today, mark my words.

[@Kristine-x6d]

How about the bullies disregard for human life? These kids are f'd up for starting this situation. Are you an entitled a$$hole too?

[@australianwoman9696]

I hope so, he shouldn't be free on the streets to hurt others. Also I'd like to see his wife's medical history. I bet he's got a long history of physical abuse?

[@XXDSCOTT]

@@australianwoman9696 it’s no coincidence she divorced him after this incident.

[@TheEvilQueenHasSpoken]

They have been marked.

[@XXDSCOTT]

@@TheEvilQueenHasSpoken 😝

[@lilaworley8935]

His interogation says everything about who this "man" is

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

Yea, innocent

[@lukeGGlee]

@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971nah man things appeared to have cooled down and then he provoked a reaction out of the kids while he had the knife ready by attacking the girl. He knew the kids would attsck him again if he assaulted the women. Very premeditated

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

@@lukeGGlee they chased him down, video shows that, they surrounded him, he was assaulted and he defended himself. He pushed a girl who was touched him. You identify with the drunk teens, that’s why you’re upset. Stop being a fool. You didn’t watch the video or testimonies. You’re ignorant

[@rarenathan]

@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 nope

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

@@rarenathan please explain little kid

[@Momcrimejunkie]

Pulling the pants down lie was a really sick one to invent and shows the extent and depth of Miu’s mental derangement and detachment from reality. It also shows that predatory thoughts were top of mind for him. He will be in good company in prison with the other child murderers. Justice for Dante, Tony, Madison, Rhylie, and Quinton who suffered greatly mentally due to having both sons stabbed, and was a true and Good Samaritan. Quinton, I hope you and your family see this comment one day. AJ, I am so sorry for the injuries and so grateful that you survived. you are a well spoken and kind person. To Iaac’s parents, there are no words to describe the horrific loss of your beautiful 17 year old son. My heart aches for you.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

Good lord, you're sick.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

Almost as sick as calling someone a raper.

[@martygras378]

​@@BabyShark-kd9jlAnyone that would call this person sick, might be sick.

[@cheryllynn2583]

He was angry not scared. Pure evil what He did. No one deserved what he did. God bless all those injured&traumatized.

[@Velazquez4life-xf7ts]

I'm convinced the people on his side are bots.

[@Mancer1980]

LOL yeah, and those "kids" were regular angels and Boy Scouts.

[@williamoleary9330]

He should have known better to talk to the Police before speaking to an attorney. I can understand why anymore does this….

[@Treviso100]

Innocent people frequently do because they don’t have anything to hide.

[@A-privilege-not.a-right]

The cops lied to Miu when he asked for an attorney. They told him he had to wait over the weekend and proceeded to ask him questions. He never got his miranda rights either. This case was bogus. Some spazz trying to grandstand to his pack fell into a knife while trying to push an old man into the river.

[@Treviso100]

@@A-privilege-not.a-right yes, 5 people fell into a knife. 😂🤦🏼

[@PhyreReighn]

Because meyhikans aren't that smart !

[@MrShanester117]

He asked to speak to an attorney multiple times. They ignored him at first and then told him he wouldn’t be able to speak to an attorney until Monday

[@judisullivan3047]

Miu is guilty - having your ego hurt doesn't justify gutting people

[@TonyR-u6h]

Exactly right

[@fooglies]

I'm so sick of the thousands of comments blaming the kids, and saying if they hadn't taunted him nothing would have happened. That could be true, but it doesn't make them guilty, and it doesn't make Miu innocent either. It's mind-boggling the people saying the kids should be facing attempted murder on him. He is guilty of murder 100%.

[@OStam]

Provoking a man to rage by bullying him and calling him a rapist and hitting him from all sides and pushing him down into the water and choking him doesn't make the victim a cold blooded killer who committed premeditated murder. That's just insane.

[@debh5780]

Amen !

[@jb8935]

No, but being pushed and punched by multiple people does.

[@DiabloBlanquecino]

I wish this prosecutor had done the whole closing argument

[@hopeausbyn1734]

Alcohol fueled paranoia regarding his friends phone. He grabbed the teenagers floating tube without explanation because his alcohol infused paranoia told him that one of the teenagers had his friends phone.

[@Maga2024lul]

None of that matters in a court of law. What matters is who was attacking who and who defended themselves. The video speaks louder than anyone's testimony.

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

That’s some narrative gymnastics going on there

[@hopeausbyn1734]

​@@ConstantGardener-q9qThe blind will not see.

[@hopeausbyn1734]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[@taylorfrink1182]

@@hopeausbyn1734 yup, it's all the people that think that telling someone to leave their space over and over and then when he put his hands on them first they start shoving him away warrants him stabbing multiple people, killing one with a knife through two ribs straight through his heart, and disemboweling another is appropriate response? lethal self defense doesnt work if you had the opportunity to safely retreat over and over but just refuse to do so. he clearly wasnt that scared considering he hung around after being told to leave their space and readied his knife before anyone even touched him

[@faylestock4086]

I pray they convict him and send him to jail for a long time: he repeated constantly that he wanted to stand his ground and he ran up to these young people and stabbed 5 of them killing Isaac. I wouldn’t want to meet him cause he has no remorse of what he did. GUILTY=JAIL

[@Truelib99Hobbes]

Drunk and High, Drunk AND High. High and Drunk. Who knows if they were on fenty or meth also? These are people who demonstrate terrible decision making and poor self control at every turn. Why do I feel like you've spent years making excuses for kids with substance abuse problems?

[@poboxchristmas380]

you do not have to obey the commands of random Karens on the river.

[@teddyjam8134]

@@poboxchristmas380 he should obey the law.

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@teddyjam8134 yes and Karen's are not the law.

[@kamivenus753]

Guilty and fos! He tried to lie and act like he wasnt there and he even admitted he lied ! Dude is weird af and so are all the people denfending him Edit: found guilty! now deal with it all you saying its self defense! lol yall tried it!

[@sherryscarabino255]

You obviously have kids and are biased toward rotten lying teens

[@sherryscarabino255]

I'm not weird for defending the self defending guy .. hope kids and parents learned you can't be intoxicated and start a fight especially on the river .. are parents proud

[@jellozello1365]

​@@sherryscarabino255The weird guy was also drinking did ya know that? That also should be put into the equation, however he started it and he should have never pulled his knife out! Those teens did not deserve that!😢

[@Cwgrlup]

NOT GUILTY

[@ellerenee7648]

​@@matthieuschmitter6676Exactly!👍

[@pebbypoo]

When he took the knife out, the smirk became permanent.

[@kerryburgess3414]

Right!?! It was seriously creepy.

[@nathan8227]

He stabbed a 90 pound girl who wasn't facing him or looking at him and his black shark eyes never showed a hint of emotion as he did it.

[@rayray2878]

It was beyond a smirk.

[@Catchmyvib2]

Remember he had a mini stroke before his open heart surgery people will often have a bit of paralysis, which will give that illusion if you didn’t know

[@bobmirfin8010]

@@nathan8227 Correct. The mind boggles anybody can justify what that crazed psycho did to them kids. His ego was hurt by some kids calling him a pervert so that means he can start carving them up. So wrong! RIP Isaac 🙏

[@rayray2878]

I seen several times miu could have walked off

[@dawnmarkey2194]

@rayray2878 "No duty to retreat".-Wisconsin Law.

[@michelesand5360]

Insanity would have been a better defense. Not retreating, Lying to police, the use of a lethal weapon against name calling. His “self snitching “ lies , guilty!

[@tommas2674]

yes he is guilty. but those are not "boys", and they were horrible and uncalled for by all of them.

[@JimmyCzerwinski-p4g]

Exactly he is nutso

[@JimmyCzerwinski-p4g]

Under 18 not adults

[@justaguy-69]

VIDEO DOES NOT LIE. all the witnesses committed perjury on the stand.

[@DonMega888]

you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.

[@absolutebackhand7294]

No, they didn’t. They told what happened from their memories. Memory isn’t a video. That’s why we need videos.

[@justicedenyd]

Including the murderer. 🤣

[@debraflowers5905]

When did we see the video from the beginning to the end...none stop? Would you still say the same if it was your child that was brutally sliced? Would you be witness for the defendant against your child since the accused is innocent?

[@lisafarrell5996]

No they didnt but mui lied the day of the incident and when interigated by police. Please research the entire story

[@robinholman8167]

You could visibility see how easy Mui gets aggravated . During cross-examination, he was aggravated, turned red, and rude to the attorney.

[@bc5001]

He certainly looked liked he was controlling his anger. This was probably drilled into him.

[@JoeBuck207]

The man is in poor health and has been locked up for two years and might spend his entire life in jail , what do expect him to look like ?

[@pinkiesue849]

I am thankful he didn't go after the prosecutor

[@unfailingcolt8928]

But he was only at a one on the anger scale, that day. He drank only “two beer” and never goes over one on the anger scale. But ohhh, ten on the fear scale! Good Grief!! 🙄🤦‍♀️

[@bromontana8100]

But you're trying to make a claim whether he's a Noble or dishonest saint.. if anything you should question the boys. They started this and if you're looking at an old coot outnumbered 13 to 1 who just had quadruple bypass surgery.. your empathy is misplaced

[@optimistprime7897]

What people really need to recognize is that this was an adult man, not some poor decrepit elderly person who barely spoke English, but affluence intelligent adult male approximately the same age as the fathers of these children. This would put him into the position of being the person that makes the adult decisions in this situation. Truly all he had to do was walk away but instead he chose to physically aggress upon these kids. Doing so is what caused them to call for other people to help. Enter into the seen some barely adults. The first person he physically assaulted with someone who had just entered the scene and was telling him to do exactly what he needed to do, which was walk away. Why is the 22-year-old more mature than the 53-year-old? Whatever justified him to punch this woman in the face? Absolutely nothing, but that is the thing that sparked the rest of the physical confrontation. Notes, he already had the knife in his hand. Contemplating whether or not he was going to stab this woman or punch her. He chose to punch her and then stab a different woman. The methods that he used to stab these people and gut two of them we're not impromptu. It takes force, rage, and effort to stab someone deeply and for that matter to gut someone with a tiny knife. He then ran off and tried to cover up his crimes. He was calm when police met him. He was not nervous, nor did he show any remorse or upset that he had harmed other people. Most people who do that in self-defense feel very bad about it. Most people who act in self-defense are very honest with the police and everyone around them. He ran off, put on a disguise, and tried to sneak out and escape accountability. He then lied to police with a straight face and a calm demeanor like a total psychopath. Do I like the kids behavior in this situation? No, but none of them committed any executable offense. They were kids and he was an adult and he decided he wanted to hurt people that day. He deserves consequences. I have a feeling he's gotten away with a lot of harming others

[@christopher3790]

quadruple bypass surgery and is clearly way past physical and mental prime. Trying to use his age against him is hilarious.

[@carlito7351]

He not that smart because anyone else would had walk away. But he wanted trouble and he found it. And so did the group for acting like idiots and someone lost a life and couple of then got stab also because they wanted to be followers.

[@brucewayne2735]

Nah you're just stupid

[@marymac789]

Isaac was the only one from the boy's group to be stabbed and he passed away. All of the others that were stabbed etc., were from Group #2, the group that came when they heard the boy's cries for help. The creature is a psycho. GUILTY as charged and I hope he never sees the light of day again. No chances to get his feewings hurt and do this again.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

The predators like Juwahn Cockfeld should have walked away. Nic did walk away and the lunatic bully teens (Juwahn leading) followed him to Maddy and both groups surrounded him. You'd know that if you watched the video. Maddy was never punched or slapped. That is another lie and therefore it is not on video. Everyone in this deadly riot lied to Police - it was discussed in court.

[@mariearmstrong9185]

SINCE HE WAS SO SCARED THAT MURDERER COULD OF WALKED AWAY FROM THE RIVER AT ANY TIME HE WANTED TO.

[@alexymaldonadoo2913]

And so couldv the dum@$$ kids who wouldn't leave him alone

[@samstraughan9054]

so could the kids

[@MindsDozer]

They were literally pushing his head under the water.

[@oziequelque2057]

@@MindsDozeryeah he literally gutted them as if they were anymals and stabbed him in the heart , get your priorities straight

[@Tamara-id1pe]

@@oziequelque2057what would you do if you were being attacked?

[@sophierose4674]

Miu is a CREEP through and through. Mind blowing the amount of people in these comments I see defending him. That is just as creepy.

[@kaitlynshafer6553]

I got out through the ringer for speaking out that he was in the wrong and is guilty

[@bluejeanistic]

Well, he is guilty

[@taylorfrink1182]

it's all the losers that identify with his creepiness and sees themselves in him so they're so desperate to see him get off. like lol try again, GUILTY !

[@jtharp9265]

Guilty , very guilty and ive watched this whole trial , He could of walked away & did ,but came back . If this was in TEXAS and I was on that jury, im 58yrs old . He would get the death penalty. Even lied to police in the police car , walked away after killing the 17yr old, disnbowled another young man, punched a young lady in her face , slashed another young lady . Because he is a narcissist and liar . GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS !!

[@dd-ho7bm]

You're very disturbed.

[@jaynestewart-js6by]

You couldn't give him the death penalty with one vote wtf is wrong with you

[@karyne826]

They could have shut up and walked away.

[@Gary-vn8qj]

I'm in Texas also. All my friends and family think he innocent of any wrongdoing. Even if he did it just cause he was mad we still think it's justified. So don't try and speak for Texas you crybaby

[@jtharp9265]

@@dd-ho7bm people like you , is the reason are country is so messed up , bully someone else , I'm not Disturbed , I lost my 19 yr old daughter, I know how it feels to lose a child due to a narrassist. You have some growing up to do. Look at the likes at my comment, But I'm crazy . Grow up !

[@PetsNPatients]

They all lied.

[@TheBillyBlack]

He the only murderer though

[@alanboody7004]

They recited what they thought they saw from two years before. He completely fabricated everything that happened a couple hours after to a detective during an interrogation. There's a HUGE f'n difference and you know this.

[@nategalvan3907]

​@alanboody7004 no they didn't they lied over and over. Jump someone and touch might get lit up

[@TheGreatEmerorMu]

​@@TheBillyBlackwhat does murder mean?

[@firelordplayz]

@@TheBillyBlack Define.

[@TheSingingGardener]

Mui is to blame for him being convicted guilty.. those videos of him lying to cops and detectives set his faith… had he just told the truth and said he was protecting himself there wouldn’t be a trial and he would be free but he knew what he did was criminal and so he lied, lied and lied some more

[@backalleyburrito1815]

Everything after the altercation is irrelevant.

[@thebassinprogressive9399]

@@backalleyburrito1815 . WHY?

[@backalleyburrito1815]

@@thebassinprogressive9399 because he is on trial for the altercation, nothing more, nothing less.

[@MindsDozer]

Just because he was afraid of cops doesn't mean he wasn't afraid for his life.

[@poboxchristmas380]

He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.

[@dusancville]

Great to hear this de humanisation which is supposed to cover senseless verdict that followed. Why we didn't see police interrogation of Madison ? Miu was charged for battery that no one saw. Madison, Railey, Dante ... committed battery that we saw but have not been charged for it at all. This is comedy that leads to new tragedy.

[@ginnied7346]

He certainly is bizarre, a bizarre creep He's also unpredictable and a danger to anyone he perceives as weaker than himself, he's a dangerous bully and deserves to be sent to prison

[@kevin.afton_]

The same could be said about you.

[@marymac789]

@@kevin.afton_ And here we can see the underbelly of those who would support the likes of the lying murderer. What in the name of time would get in to someone to cause them to speak to another person on the internet who was just speaking their own mind? Bully??

[@charlie0103]

Mui had no idea there was a video when he lied to police and concocted a story that made himself look innocent. He is guilty af and he knows it!

[@poboxchristmas380]

He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.

[@AZDESERT2024]

Self Defense . I can see not telling the truth - even if you act in self defense, you get prosecuted and bankrupted

[@OmgAmbs]

Guilty of self defense 100% Those teens are the same type of teens that get schools shot up. The exact same ones. They’re ass holes and their parents enable & allow it & everyone excuses it and it’s gross. I hope they learn from this because they’re absolutely responsible. It’s ridiculous that they can lie about everything yet nobody is upset about that. Isaac shouldn’t have choked him. He was surrounded by a dozen people all screaming at him, not taking turns so he could take notes. Of course he lied because he knows that the “culture” demonizes older white men, that is the MO.

[@iWillProbablyDieOnTwoWheels]

@@AZDESERT2024 Well, 1. don't talk to the police, because 2. it was used against him. And successfully so, no "self defense" here, dude is now a convicted murderer.

[@kirkkester204]

I wonder if this would have happened if everyone was sober there all guilty of being drunk idiots

[@Leila3i5]

And one is guilty of murder.

[@trashcameraguy999]

The look in his eyes when Madison was yelling at him was pure evil. It was in that moment that he was secretly pulling out his knife. Totally premeditated. He needs to go away for life without parole.

[@Bluemoonbeach]

He didn't even say a word the entire time of the encounter. He is very weird and was looking for a fight that Day. Unfortunately if he is found not guilty the teen who was killed and the teens who was stabbed that Day will half to suffer even more knowing he is still out on the streets. Also if he is found not guilty Miu will not half to pay any price for the stabbing all while issac is no longer coming back and the ones stabbed and Alive still half to deal with the trauma this man caused. He is very guilty and seems to me he is insane.

[@jb8935]

Lol at thinking you can tell premeditation based on someone's face. Might as well charge everyone with conspiracy to commit murder 1 and then just show a picture of them not smiling.

[@lukeGGlee]

i agree the girl was stabbed for no reason. How can they claim self defense when he attacked the girl who was simply talking to him…and the boys reacted because Miu got violent again but probably didnt notice the knife he had tucked under his arm

[@xvang9767]

That makes her great woman

[@xvang9767]

Everyone should be charge here

[@DavidNeil-j6d]

his actions actions after the stabbings show he was not acting in self defense at best he is guilty of manslaughter

[@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971]

Ok bot

[@poboxchristmas380]

He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.

[@Treviso100]

It shows that he was not thinking very clearly and probably terrified. But it in no way affects whether he was defending himself or not.

[@Letsberealish]

This is as premeditated as it gets. Just because it happened within a short amount of time doesn't mean it's any less evil.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

I believe he went back to get the knife .. why else would he lung at them

[@thedingo8833]

You are delusional

[@HarmlessComment]

Do you know what premeditated means? lol

[@Letsberealish]

@@HarmlessComment Yes, it's where someone decides they're going to kill another person and puts a plan in motion.

[@colleenfletcher2550]

Premeditation can be exactly how it happened Miu took out his knife and pushed/hit Maddie causing the physical reaction from Maddie's brother.

[@shopobjetdart]

Nic Miu is guilty. What's troubling is the number of folks who consider his actions just and his lies dismissible.

[@justaguy-69]

you friends with his attackers or just blind?

[@Sam4got]

The thing is- if you go after one person lying then they have to drag all the witnesses for lying as well.

[@shopobjetdart]

@@justaguy-69 : Are you friends with Nic Miu or being led by your confirmation bias?

[@shopobjetdart]

@@Sam4got Nic Miu is on trial, not the individuals he attacked. He was read his Miranda rights before he provided a false account of the incident - threatened by two people carrying knives, his pants were pulled down, his property was taken, etc.

[@justaguy-69]

@@shopobjetdart no i just saw it with my own eyes in the video, what is there to dispute ?

[@medaduggan1715]

The prosecutor nailed the rebuttal. He stepped all over the defense for trying to make people believe the kids deserved what they got. That defense lawyer is one sick puppy.

[@3goats1coat]

One of them was the defence lawyer of Chauvin 🤡 that's all you need to know of his character

[@bc5001]

His taking his glasses off and on was nauseating.

[@jasonfuller1001]

To be fair, that's the only defense the lawyer can use. He's just doing his job. I don't fault him for that.

[@glenforde6558]

​@@3goats1coatChauvin is a political prisoner....so....

[@PhyreReighn]

But defense is good at what he does. Almost as good as OJ Simpsons!

[@passionparade]

Regardless of Miu's lying I think he will walk. The defence I think put on a stronger case and the video evidence actually does more harm as it proved Miu was being bullied and tormented. I am not excusing Miu as I too see that darkness the lies within him.

[@martygras378]

He will be put away for his darkness, and the kids with darkness got a lesson

[@AprilDahnVernstrom]

Why didn't his twin brother take the stand to support him?

[@australianwoman9696]

If they let him off without 1st degree murder its a miscarriage of justice to Isaac, AJ , Madeleine & whomever else he struck. He's guilty on all counts!

[@jtharp9265]

Amen ✝️ 🙏 Guilty on all counts

[@debh5780]

Agree !

[@pinkiesue849]

AJ could have easily died, but thanks to the Good Samaritans, he is alive

[@Bluemoonbeach]

Agreed, at first I felt bad for him but as i watched each video of the encounter it made me think this guy is a nut job. He didn't even speak not one word to those teenagers during the incident that tells u the devil was inside of him that day. Issac deserves justice along with all the people who where stabbed. Can u imagine your guts hanging out of u all while this wacko is slowly walking away . Not even helping these teens get medical help. This dude should not be out on the streets

[@fauxbro1983]

@@Bluemoonbeach why would try and engage in a conversation with a bunch or young men yelling at you. All teenage males in the group would have been old enough to serve in the military during WW2

[@Fatguylittlecoat1996]

I realize after reading these comments we’re doomed as a society . People are stupid and stupid people are in power!

[@martygras378]

We are not, people have different experiences, and see things differently. But we need to show people when the laws of our great Country have been properly used to convict a criminal.

[@Cecil-hotel]

Bizarre is not used as an often used word anymore. Perfect description of ghis creep.

[@Ameen_AAA]

The mayor is really eloquent

[@chessdominos]

Kids todays ate acting like animals. He got 97 years in jail. The true justice would be divide 97 by 13 and give everyone involved 7.46 years in jail.

[@ducngo1966]

A.J. pushed Miu down water.

[@angiesewtherapy6628]

Woah, the prosecutor says the "boys" aren't responsible. First of all they are not "boys". Second they are directly respinsible for their actions. Third Jiwohan did not come across remorseful at all.

[@strangertales1473]

That's exactly what they are teenage boys! Your brain is not fully developed until your mid 20's!

[@karend169]

Are the boys responsible for their stabbings and death?

[@NoName-eq4fc]

He literally cried on the stand. However, I do agree that he seems to be somewhat arrogant.

[@SavageAudits]

And there were girls who were punched and stabbed.

[@caligula9292]

I think the state made a great case here such a sad situation.

[@lmjcpbs]

So thankful that the jury got this one right.

[@JudiKerestan]

This older man should of walked away . He is the adult. You do not kill people!

[@Sam4got]

‘For the culture’ words by the guy videoing the mess- look up ‘for the culture’ in the Urban Dictionary.

[@rhondaeverett8284]

Laws werent written using the urban dictionary. What a rediculous comment "look in the urban dictionary".

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

I thought it was for "da culture."

[@francesholliday5427]

I'm not sure why any lies, made up details or omissions makes him guilty (of not acting in self defense?). I’m not saying I know for sure, but one possibility is maybe he assessed that the 13 or so youngsters, some of whom had already accused him of ‘looking for little girls’ with no reason, were also going to lie that they didn’t touch him. It would have been many against him alone of acting in self defense. Nic did not know there was a video, which does prove how the gang treated him- just a pity camera man was not smart enough capture proof of a punch by Nic to the girl. If not for that video, he may have been in a worse situation, with no proof of their taunting. I can understand why he was still in fear enough of a murder conviction to make stuff up. He would not have been able to use his best reasoning in both the incident and the post incident adrenaline fight/flight state.

[@Leila3i5]

The boy Miu murdered never said Miu was looking for girls. 2 or 3 of the teens said that, and none of them were touched except when Miu grabbed the tubes, brushing their thighs. Please stop spreading the lie that 13 people said he was looking for little girls. When he walked toward the boys, one of whom was the most loudly mocking him, he reached to hold their tubes which touched their legs and thighs. They thought that was creepy. Miu was by himself without a tube, way ahead of his group. That means he looked odd. That was all before the girls came over. They came over because their group was waved to come over. Miu is not the only person with "feelings". At every step, Miu escalated the physical altercation. Miu chose to be alone away from his group, ahead of his group, across the river from his group. That's not what an "old" "weak" "feeble" person does.

[@francesholliday5427]

​@@Leila3i5 I stand corrected (I'm not too well at the time of my comment). It may not have been all 13 people who said the exact same thing - that he was looking for little girls, but they were either saying he was a pedo or jeering in response, so they may as well have been, when they had no basis. Looking 'odd' or acting creepy, to their eyes (his behavior did have some context if you listen to what he understood from his point of view) was not justification to start insulting him. The intimidation was very uncomfortable to view. He had no reason to think they would tell the truth later so in a way they may have set the rules. If any of them come up with some credible evidence that the girl who came over was punched by him, as opposed to being pushed off him after she kept touching or shouting at (and not listening or helping) him, and the reason for the others to either punch and hold him down, or jeer (or film in one case) as their idea of entertainment, then I reserve judgement. I do wish there had been some sensible adults or parents to step in to prevent this tragedy.

[@Tamara-id1pe]

He’s not on trial for lying. The video evidence and hours of witness testimony is what shows if he’s guilty or not. So he’s responsible for his choices, but these kids aren’t? He’s weird, but some random lady running up to scream in a person’s face and grab them is fine?

[@NoName-eq4fc]

Lawyer here. His lies are relevant to the issue of whether he subjectively believed his life was in danger. The fact that he lied shows that he knew his acts were likely wrong. He had to paint the boys out to be scarier to him than they actually were to justify why he claims to have feared them.

[@Sergei__v]

@@NoName-eq4fcthats just his perception and coping/justification mechanism. He can feel guilty. Did he have reasonable fear of death when he defended himself?

[@carlosconway7692]

It's the queen of the rivers' fault

[@1chrisford]

Did they ever have the Queen submit to a BAC test. How drunk was she. Did she have a reputation of acting like an aggressive Karen on other occasions when drunk?

[@HeadNtheClouds]

You sure it wasn’t the Lady of the Lake?

[@dickfitswell3437]

All he had to do was not hit her. He didn't like a female telling him what to do. It's European masculinity on display. He sees women as 2nd class citizens. He lied

[@artleyva8043]

They need to check his search history, when someone gets murderous by being called a Pedo. Maybe they hit the nail on the head, if the shoe fits, etc.

[@KristalMacleod]

he went over because he seen the young girls' if the water had been deeper he was going 2 suit up and go underwater 2 look at the girls

[@gophukyurselvs3621]

Yupp creepy weirdo got triggered for sure

[@DIGITZOOZ]

Wow, good insight....on his behavior at hearing " he's a pedo.....I agree, he needs to be looked into deep/something snapped and he became ,,acting like he got caught.....(~¿~} ?

[@maryammosavi269]

I agree. His police interview was so creepy. He made a comment there that made me think these kids were correct in calling him a pedo.

[@3goats1coat]

God bless he's too old. Even 2nd degree is a life sentence for him. The animal is GUILTY

[@janacoll2312]

Excellent rebuttal!! GUILTY

[@asherhouseman6838]

Nick is a Romanian and there people probably have different standards of roughness than in the US. Maybe a litle stabbing here and there would be overlooked in Romania. He will, sadly for himself, learn the hard way that he is no longer in Romania, but in the US.

[@bc5001]

I find it interesting that not much at all was said about Nic’s life history unless I missed it.

[@3goats1coat]

In Romania self-defense may only be proportional by law. As soon as he pulled a knife and the kids didn't, it's intentional homicide without any leeway. This case wouldn't even be brought to trial as self-defense, only to a short sentencing hearing.

[@pinkiesue849]

Wow...thank you for sharing. Murder is murder.

[@pfury67]

And there's no jury trials in Romania either.

[@allison8331]

I’ve travelled extensively throughout Eastern Europe (including Romania) and it truly is a different world in regards for the sanctity of human life and attitudes necessary for simply being able to “get by” in life; especially comparing it to the Midwest USA.

[@kalebchavez3279]

Damnnn... this lawyer destroyed Him... QUILTY big-time

[@l-train7876]

Really? Strongly disagree. The prosecution does not seem confident in their case imho.

[@youtubesgay]

He may be quilty but he is 100% innocent

[@julesy48]

??

[@pandapoet244]

Not Guilty that Prpsecutors a piece pf sh1t even he knows thatans not guilty you can tell he knows that mans not guilty.

[@kennybobby201]

This would have been so powerful if there wasnt a video of the events. Tony breaks it up? Nah i think Nic broke up the fight, with his knife. Tony was standing around holding a beer.

[@DonMega888]

you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.

[@NoName-eq4fc]

He clearly attempted to break it up. Look again. It's undeniable.

[@kennybobby201]

@@NoName-eq4fc lol the carlson group escalated the situation a lot and people from their group admitted to it on the stand dude. Not sure why you think tony was some hero here. How about deescalate from the get go instead of let the river karen scream in the mans face exciting the mob even more. The dad should have gone over alone is the solution, i think, i dunno, he seemed reasonable on the stand but who knows, he also sent his drunk kids over instead. Terrible decision.

[@deneneriddle3216]

​@@kennybobby201You are right!!

[@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566]

Escalated or clarified the best way for Nic to remove himself from the situation? They weren’t nice boo hoo. Cry about it more.

[@MosnaRawr]

Let's be clear here. He didn't have to turn around and re-approach those people. He didn't have to brandish a deadly weapon. He could have tried to leave. He never did. He pulled a knife and held it by his side, and stood there. He waited. He didn't run. Self defense goes out the window. That being said, in the video, it seems like Miu was in actual danger for his life twice. But considering the above, he didn't need to be in either situation. 1. When he was first punched into the water and then struck again, and stood over. 2. After they were pushing him into the water from behind his back when he was already down. I'd think second degree murder is more accurate here, but not first. Brandishing the knife and standing still instead of running implies he intended to do great harm, but this doesn't look pre-meditated, unless we are arguing that his pre-meditation is within about 10-20 seconds of the incident.

[@martygras378]

If he went back to get the knife, it was premeditated, after being called names.

[@karenpierce6018]

He was provoked

[@john9391]

wrong, r e t a r d

[@loftonrudolph7586]

You obviously didn't watch all the tapes. He went after them LOOKING for trouble. It's not ambiguous. He had plenty of opportunity to leave them alone but he was getting his jollies off.

[@PhyreReighn]

NO REASON FOR MURDER

[@cheryllynnbostrom1308]

The prosecutor told so many lies, unbelievable..... If you watched video, Miu surrounded by about 10 mocking people, pushing, hitting, etc.

[@cookingforme4711]

You should watch the entire trial especially when the prosecution moves slide by slide through the videos. He could have walked away Several times yet he didn't. In fact he rushed the boys on the tubes. He never should have approached the women and when they told him to go, it was the best advice he'd hear in his lifetime. Instead he shoved Maddie escalating the entire situation. In my mind he was just waiting for the opportunity to stab these people who were insulting him. Were they total as*holes, yep for sure but it never needed to get to the point it did. Kids have no common sense when drinking in groups and you're best to avoid them when things start turning.

[@BeingConformed]

​@@cookingforme4711 absolutely true!! How do people defend him?!

[@PhyreReighn]

NOT in the videos I saw!! NOTHING behind him

[@KennyPang]

if only 911: What's your emergency? Miu: Yes, hi, I'm at the Apple River with my friends and one my friends lost his phone. I went looking for it and a group of teens.They are harassing me. I don't feel safe. I think also one of them might have the phone too. 911: OK what's your location. Miu: By the bridge on the Apple River. 911: Can I get your Name Miu: Nicolae Miu 911: Just stay with your group. Do not approach the teens. We will have an officer come by. People, this is what you do. I'm a little bid older than Miu. No winners here. Just call the police.

[@iWillProbablyDieOnTwoWheels]

So sad how peoples egos are so inflated they refuse to back down. And reading the comments, Mr. Miu is not unique in his feelings, many people are willing to murder, for a perceived slight.

[@KennyPang]

@@iWillProbablyDieOnTwoWheels Verdict came back. Guilty of 1st Degree Reckless Homicide.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

But he didn't have a phone. Remember?

[@matthewmcnabb2043]

His lies are called self preservation. What woild the lies of the others be called? Malicious?

[@benedictcumberbatch4275]

Good point in this situation

[@minilea25]

So it's ok for him to lie? Wow you people will make up any excuse for this guy.

[@mylesolson4734]

@@minilea25 no but its understandable

[@krieger1152]

​@minilea25 people are passionate in defending monsters like this guy. Insanity

[@minilea25]

@@mylesolson4734 I'm glad the jury didn't think like you.

[@kyliegrinham9091]

Those teenagers were and are vile.

[@martygras378]

Yes, but they didn't murder, while Miu did

[@faylestock4086]

Exactly Miu chose violence instead of backing up and leaving the scene! I am so chocked to see how these young people suffered with the terrible wounds he caused them both physically and mentally: and he was leaving the scene without even going back to help the people he wounded: the young people had no chance with him HE HAD A WEAPON

[@teeheehee4494]

Finally, a situation with a young kids, found out the repercussions of bothering an innocent man…sad

[@TheSingingGardener]

@@teeheehee4494Mui literally said himself “kids being kids”… those videos of him talking to the cops and detectives will send him to jail.. innocent people tell the truth.. guilty people act clueless and lie

[@debh5780]

Agreed !

[@annellfarris9451]

Deadly coward who only showed emotion when asking about his "baby" his dog.

[@subvocal1]

Every single witness for the prosecution lied. Not one single one of the bullies had the same story.

[@meholder7570]

Or admitted to what we could see on camera .... At least he did.

[@Therapistmind]

Mr Miu lied on the stand too! And apparently suffered from amnesia

[@tullmeister]

How many of them stabbed 5 people, killed someone, and then fled and ditched evidence?

[@meholder7570]

@tullmeister only the guy who got mobbed, and attacked. Dang, what a coincidence.

[@denicefisher3201]

@@tullmeisterwell as my sweet Daddy use to say poke the BULL and you’ll get the horns!! I personally would have definitely fought with everything and anything I could to save my life from a BUNCH OF DRUNK HIGH ON DRUG THUGS !! Where was the Queen of the River Madison at ? She was too much of a coward to testify in court !! She should definitely be charged for assault.. just my opinion

[@flamingosaregreat]

He knew he had a knife all the time..all he had to do was brandish it and tell them to back off , they probably would have. He knew he had the weapon kept it conceiled and then murdered a kid and gutted another and slashed a few others for good measure. Then tried to hide it. He was never scared , because he knew he had the knife.

[@maxrshelltrack7443]

Speaking of lying how many lies did the teenagers lie combined.

[@lupitajohnson1526]

But they didn't have any weapons on them and they didn't kill this "old poor man" guilty ! 💯!!

[@ComPrt3]

I didn't watch everyone's testimony. What lies did they tell? I'm legitimately interested.

[@maxrshelltrack7443]

@lupitajohnson1526 You're probably a little slow. You wouldn't have his reaction without their actions. I doubt he would have just stabbed someone for absolutely no reason.

[@TheEvilQueenHasSpoken]

The entire gang of 12 lied on the stand. They actually believe they were innocent in this entire affair. Pathetic.

[@Tamara-id1pe]

Starting with “he punched me”. Maddison should be sitting on trial next

[@terr777]

He was convinced they stole the phone and wasn't going to let it go. He took the knife to confront them. He had a plan to head toward them, that's why Mr. Williams tried to discourage it.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

Exactly! I thought I was the only one who figured that one out!

[@bhowish]

He knew what he was getting into..he was tapping that knife EARLY!!

[@terr777]

@SunFlower-sf1go Looks like maybe the jury figured it out too. I'm a good deal older than Miu, I also see the point that he was in THEIR space. Yeah, they were obnoxious, but if they thought he was just some pervy guy, I wouldn't expect them to say welcome aboard. Alcohol on both sides clouded perceptions.

[@wtl2247]

The Lord of the Flies 17 yr old drunken (2.5x legal bac) mob was forcing Miu into deeper water to 'go downstream' without a tube, continued their harassment, put hands on him, tripped/pushed him into the water, struck him and then he defended against each person that lunged at him with a knife. The jury was protecting their sweet little home town Lord of the Flies drunken mob of teenagers.... for the culture.

[@gophukyurselvs3621]

What you just said was incredibly dumb. First of all, what the hell are you talking about deeper water? They were literally in water that wasn’t even knee-deep. Second of all he had to walk over the length of a football field to get to those teenagers. His own group member who lost their phone told him not to look for it and it wouldn’t be over there. Nick obviously wanted to go over there harass those teenagers or look for little girls 10 witnesses including people outside of the groups involved, testified that Nick struck Madison in the face with either a punch or a slap He was convicted of battery against Madison meaning everything that happened after that couldn’t be self-defense Those teenage boys are heroes coming to that girls defense. Nick already had his knife out. He could’ve sliced her throat if those boys didn’t come and push him out of the way. The only thing you said that was correct is the jury is trying to save their town. That’s exactly what they did by charging Nick guilty. He is a pathetic waste of space, woman, beater child murderer.

[@RippleEffect1111]

I bet Miu was internally gloating watching the damage and trauma he premeditatively physcotically concluded... he was trying to intimidate the kids originally by approaching them and creeping around the tubes to begin with. No remorse

[@gophukyurselvs3621]

Agreed 👍🏼

[@briannasteele6074]

The young adults, especially Madison caused this tragedy.

[@Lakesidelawyer]

I could not agree more. This tragedy was entirely avoidable if humans behaved decently. These prosecutors are an embarrassment to their community.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

Miu started it when he made up his mind the drunk teenagers stole his friend's phone and he was going to go "investigate" them by lurking around under their rafts with his snorkel and goggles like a weirdo.

[@IamtheWV17]

Jawahn...

[@LeCarneAsada]

Let’s blame the teens instead of the psychopath stabbing people. You sound sane.

[@LeCarneAsada]

Nik could’ve minded his own business. HE caused this tragedy.

[@mouseandryforever6848]

Hey kids, yeah he lied to the police. But he has no duty to retreat. Madison Coen is not the owner of the river. He probably didn't know that. he was petrified and I don't blame him. They weren't boys either. They were young adults. When I think of boys I think of 12 year olds. Miu was insulted, we can all agree. But what started it was the **** of the river who BOTH touched him physically and pushed him.

[@nicolecooper3112]

He had help coming from the other group but their help changed when he produced the knife. It’s his own fault. If every coming of age group of boys drinking ended up with an angry adult murdering and wounding them then they might have not been so naive.

[@MindsDozer]

​@@nicolecooper3112a knife is dangerous, but it's not a force balancer when you're defending against a football team. An AK47 doesn't even balance the scales at that range.

[@Teeveepicksures]

"he was petrified" 😂 Nope.

[@MindsDozer]

@@Teeveepicksures we still don't know they wouldn't have drowned him if he hadn't defended. Mobs of youth do this kind of things frequently, and this is hardly the first time violence has broken out on the apple river.

[@pjnix5618]

Miu is absolutely GUILTY.

[@kalebchavez3279]

I 💯 Agree

[@xvang9767]

That’s how u raise your kids these day, no wonder kids killing kids They have too much freedom

[@UzeUrBrain]

I refuse to believe that you believe that. There's a literal video of the group beating him.

[@jonlj77]

@@UzeUrBrain if you watch the trial from beginning to end, you’d say he’s guilty of the lesser charge of intentional homicide. When I first saw the raw video, i said self defense. But I changed my mind after seeing everything in its entirety.

[@glenforde6558]

Wow. This is why juries scare me. Some real dumb people out here...

[@ducngo1966]

A.J. pushed Nicolas Miu back before (first.)

[@martygras378]

After Miu hit Maddie

[@Starlinglights]

He hit her because she pushed and grabbed him first.

[@martygras378]

@@Starlinglights Not a reason to hit her. Her grab or nudge hardly made Nic move, it didn't hurt him. He struck her to start a fight, a fight he wanted, that is why he stayed there, just taking a few steps away from the boys, then turning back. If he didn't want a fight, he would have continued downstream, gotten away from the boys, then let them pass. Nic had no urgent reason to get back to his group.

[@jenniferbarber467]

This attorney won it. The other guy is super weak. He can’t ask a good question at all. This attorney is the best out of that group.

[@queenies805]

Both sides share guilt, but the adult in the room, Mr Miu should have been smart enough to steer clear of the tubes gang in the first place, this was all so avoidable, sad for those killed and injured. Bottom line alcohol makes you stupid no matter what age you are, and noone should have been drinking out on the water period.

[@toddsummerwind]

Bottom line is it is wrong to murder people because your feelings got hurt.

[@TonyR-u6h]

​@@toddsummerwinddamm right

[@apriladams6098]

The boys also called out for help before the violence, Miu never did

[@lukeGGlee]

also told him to leave as he is clearly acting suspicious in the video. Any family would be like wtf is this guy doing touchinng our tubes”. This all ends up to him concealing the knife by holding it close to his body after the first altercation and then attacks the girl which provoked the 2nd altercation from the already suspicious boys. They were simply defending the girl Miu was talking to…

[@elkerwin]

It’s only because they were a group of underage kids that he fucked with them in the first place. He targeted them.

[@xvang9767]

Agree. Why did they just be on their way, instead, they went to him and ask him what is he doing

[@UzeUrBrain]

Did you not even watch the video? How about the trial? Miu did, in fact, wave to his group for help. Also- who cares if he didn't? That's not necessary. The group of people attacked him. Physically beat him. Clearly self defense.

[@adverly]

Pulled his knife out then waves for witnesses which failed. He knew he was about to do the unthinkable.

[@sowut68]

Those kids got their friend killed! They were bullies and picked on the wrong person! Idk anyone who would be surrounded by that many ppl yelling lies about you in a language that isn't your first language and getting violent with you that wouldn't react the same way he did! We've seen the video! He didn't start it they did! And he has every right to be where he was just like everyone else there

[@lisafinnegan7905]

Wrong.

[@ZombyWoof1]

ummmm ... he's lived in America for 40 years - and by the way - speaks FIVE LANGUAGES - saying that people yelling things in English around him is a factor in any way is ludicrous. He FIRST approaches them and their space and property - and strangely says nothing to them about why he was doing that. And to blame the murdered victim's friends for his death is disgusting. Miu was NOT scared - and Miu intentionally escalated; refused to leave: and used brutal lethal force that was total overkill - no warning - and no mercy. Man needs to rot in jail - and you need your head checked

[@sowut68]

@@ZombyWoof1 I'm saying that thirteen ppl surrounding one individual that they don't know from Adam and yelling that he is a rapist and pedophile and is looking for little girls while signaling to others to help defend against said man and such false allegations should be criminal in and of itself for a number of reasons such as inciting a mob, slander, defamation, intimidation, false imprisonment, etc I believe anyone with half a brain would feel trapped and fear for their safety in that situation! If you wouldn't then you are probably someone who would think it's ok to approach and surround a man you don't know all while pointing and yelling that he is a pedophile and a rapist and think that you could tell him where he can and can't go in public too! These drunk (and why isn't anyone being charged with contributing to the delinquency of minor here cause I believe that's the root of all this happening) kids approached him and harassed him and assaulted him before the stabbing! This is what happens when ppl stand their ground! No duty to retreat and guess what he chose not to. They could have retreated at any time but guess what they chose not to as well! Their friend is dead because of their actions as well as their friends actions!

[@sowut68]

@@ZombyWoof1 the river is not their property and if you're calling their tubes their property and that means he can't be in the river where they are then what about his friends phone? his friends phone was in the water some where so the river is all his friends property by that logic. Don't be ridiculous. I'm not letting someone keep putting their hands on me and push me down in the river while I'm surrounded by thirteen people yelling at me and not defend myself by any means necessary! I have congestive heart failure so I know I could never physically defend myself if I was being attacked with an equalizer and maybe he felt the same way

[@sowut68]

@@lisafinnegan7905 he didn't have a right to be in the river? Just like everyone else?

[@garlictyme2472]

Before he started stabbing and killing, the fact that he's hitting a young woman tells me everything I need to know about him.

[@wtl2247]

That supposedly started the mob aggressions and yet she deleted the pictures of her 'injury' ( destroyed evidence) that she should have been proud of to defend their mob actions against Miu.

[@martygras378]

​@@wtl2247Maybe because the injury didn't show, which might have led to a not guilty verdict. People can be struck in the face, without an injury showing.

[@ducngo1966]

Selfdefense. Voting not guilty.

[@martygras378]

Glad you weren't on the jury, they got it right

[@wezite1983]

A lot of people in the comments are calling him a liar! However most of the teenagers who viciously attacked him lied on the stand. He at least admitted to his lies. The prosecution even lied, saying that he was never attacked. However the video evidence is very damning to the States case. This prosecutor looked like everything he said was falling on deaf ears. I have no horse in this race, but I hope Mr. Miu gets a not guilty and walks out that court. Why should his life be over because some punk bullies wanted to gang up on 1 man? As far as I'm concerned, he defended himself and deleted a bully in the process.

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

He lied about TWO boys having knives because he claimed he "grabbed one of their knives and poked them with their own knife ". If it was only one boy and he took the knife away the threat was over. He had to say they still had a knife because he had stabbed four more kids!

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

He can be charged for obstruction and hiding evidence for his lies after the event, but rational people know why he lied. It wasn’t because he’s guilty. It was because: 1) It’s well known that people act irrationally right after a very traumatizing event, saying and doing things w/o truly thinking them through properly because of fight or flight mode’s affect on the mind/body. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing. And 2) He didn’t know there was video taken of the incident, so in his mind it was his word versus the word of 13 young adults that had already loudly lied about him and defamed him from the beginning, which kicked all of this off with the inciting of a mob action. In the interview at the police station, Miu says very clearly after the officer says something about him acting in self defense: _“Yeah, but this is Wisconsin,”_ and _“people who defend themselves end up being accused of being this and being that...”_ He obviously thinks that if he were to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to be seen as innocent under the law. He thinks if perhaps he just tweaks a few facts, it will give him the edge he needs. And I’m sure that his memory of how things went down was very unclear too, because of how fast and traumatic the ordeal was. The brain goes into protection mode by blocking things out and making things up that didn’t actually happen. I truly feel for the guy. He acted out of panic after the incident was over, which is understandable. He has an unblemished record, and has never been a problem with any of his friends/co-workers/spouse from their testimonies. No background at all of violence or anger management issues. His wife testified to the fact that she still loves him. They had to get a divorce to protect their assets. Someone at his age doesn’t just suddenly, randomly become a mrder. His age and very poor health meant that if he hadn’t defended himself, it is very likely he would be the one to have died that day. Even one good shove on his chest could have done it, because of his recent QUADRUPLE bypass heart surgery! If his head hit a rock as he was being punched to the ground, he could have died. They might have even drowned him. He was in a VERY vulnerable state, and those “kids” were treating him like a punching bag!

[@NunyaBizness2.0]

Doesn’t make him guilty of the charges they filed They’re very specific They know they won’t win that’s why they gave him lesser charges to consider yesterday

[@LJ2K2025]

​@@anti-ethniccleansing465what a load of 💩

[@TheMomseloc]

He self-snitched.

[@TheMomseloc]

@@NunyaBizness2.0 Whatever, he's still going to prison. I hope he doesn't try to snitch while in there. I work in Corrections. Snitches are considered the lowest in there.

[@ritamulloy3522]

If he was innocent there is no need to lie. He is a bizarre person. Those kids didn’t deserve it. Humiliation is no excuse for murder

[@kamivenus753]

Yea he is a weirdo for real! Dude had many opportunities to leave. He wanted to thump his chest and stand his ground but it wasn't his space he came down river to them. He is so strange

[@alexymaldonadoo2913]

​@@kamivenus753oh shut da fk up..he's weird cuz he wanted to defend himself?? Those kids couldv left to so why didn't the kids leave if he was soooo weird?? He didn't have to leave just cuz those kids were harassing him

[@blazeunderwood5580]

For real tho it’s crazy people take his side like the beginning of the video he is running after them

[@papapoodo6685]

Lmfao

[@genuwineU2]

His attorneys know he is a vicious killer. They won't appeal.

[@cr-qo3ov]

Nobody in this situation deserve to lose their life nobody in this situation needed to get stabbed all this man had to do was keep on moving the decisions he made that day he brought on himself he could have left that situation anytime his pride could not let him and he's paying the price were the other people in this situation in the right no they weren't but nobody deserves to lose their life or get stabbed all this man had to do was keep moving down the river now he can pay for his pride

[@bigstinky5128]

It's hard to take you serious when you can't even craft a proper sentence structure. I'd urge you to use logic and reasoning rather than emotion to jump to a conclusion but I doubt you'd comprehend what I'm saying.

[@pamborders4471]

They need to prosecute whoever provided the boys with alcohol and pot.

[@judisullivan3047]

Do live in reality or are you that dense ?