Apple Watch's New Vitals App /// No HRV?

[@iim_human]

Matt…I’m just waiting for your channel to blow up and start trending so you get more subs. The quality of your content, not only the visuals(but definitely the visuals) is just top notch! 🔥

[@mlegrand]

Hot!!! Thank you! But it's fun having a small channel for sure. I can do stuff like chat and get to know people in the comments. Thanks for the kind words and best of luck with training!

[@oilindustri]

Yeah its very well shot and produced, just needs to be on the algorithm better I think

[@saltydog6241]

The visuals, editing, and overall quality of the videos on your channel is amazing.

[@Bjustis2222]

Yes! You def deserve more subs and likes. Although…. Your right a lot less shananigans as a smaller channel

[@matthewb840]

That intro was super good with everything floating!

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you!!! I had fun making that one! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@merterdir]

Dude way overkill with these animations, I LOVE IT

[@mlegrand]

Ha! 😂 I think you had it right with 'Overkill'

[@ActiveIdeas]

Matt 🤣 I watch movies and usually have an idea of how they filmed/edited shots but your intros/outros just blow me away mate 🤣

[@mlegrand]

Wow! That is super nice of you to say buddy! I really enjoy that aspect of making these videos. It's probably overkill but I like doing it. 🤷‍♂️ Loving your channel. And now you're reviewing shoes? Keep up the good work buddy!!! 👏🏻

[@ActiveIdeas]

@@mlegrand Always so creative, after watching it about 6 times I think I understand how to give it a go! 🤣 I need to become photoshop.png wizard, and then work out how to animate it 😬Cheers Matt! Shoes are a little bit cheaper than watches so think I'll stick incorporate more of that until the audience grows more! All the best ❤

[@mattcooper87]

Why isn’t this channel blowing up? The algorithm bought me here and that Intro blow me off the couch! Common KZbin this guy is giving the big boys a run for their money with this level of editing.

[@mlegrand]

Wow!!! Thank you Matt for the super kind words! I really enjoy making those fun intros and animations. This one in particular was a fun one. Small channels are nice also. It allows me to chat with everyone and hear what kind of stuff they want to see next. (I have 3 Apple Watches coming to my front door any minute 👌) Talk to you soon and thanks again for the comment!!!

[@Ghost_Pants11]

When I got Covid few weeks ago, apple health vitals warned me about my heart rate, respiratory and temperature. With a notification warning me that I might be getting sick o strenuous exercise.

[@mlegrand]

That's awesome!!! I kept looking (hoping) that I'd get some sort of notification that I could show in this video but I've yet to see one over the past few months of testing this. I thought for sure I'd get one when I only slept about 3 hours one night. But nope. 🤷‍♂️ Glad it's working for someone. 👍

[@DeeKay1911]

@@mlegrandFor now in the beta, I think you need two outliers for a notification. One should be enough I think. Even maybe just a view every morning even though it’s not bad - today the morning report have the weather and maybe they could make me scroll to the look here

[@slavonijacro]

And still no stress measurement

[@JJohnson313]

I’ve just come across your first video, and I’m already a subscriber. Your content is great, the video is engaging, and the transitions are smooth.

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you! I also checked out your podcast! It looks fantastic. Keep up the good work buddy!

[@tothetracks]

Thanks for putting this first look together. I’ve been skimming through your channel and I really like the quality of your stuff. 2-3 uploads per week, well edited, color graded… keep it up.

[@mlegrand]

More like 2-3 uploads per month. 😢 I have a job and three kids. 🤦‍♂️

[@tothetracks]

@@mlegrand oh wow that was a typo hahaha

[@mlegrand]

@@tothetracks - I really would love to post 2-3 videos per week. I think that's kind of what it takes to be successful on this platform with this much stuff coming out regularly. Maybe some day I'll figure out a system. 😬

[@contanoiutube]

The production (and content) value of this is incredible. Awesome analysis and explanation, with very cool eye candy.

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you so much for the kind words. I really enjoy that aspect of making these videos.

[@stormnoiseeffects2664]

You gave an amazing explanation of HRV. You explaining HRV could be a video in an of itself. Thank you!

[@mlegrand]

Ha! I was worried because it was such a wild side track. I probably should make a nice explainer of HRV with custom animations that I can refer to as opposed to going off on these wild tangents within my videos. 😂 Thank you for the kind words and for taking the time to watch the videos.

[@RamonBalthazar]

The editing of this video is superb!! So cool

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you so much Ramon! That is super nice of you to say.

[@RayneWeddingFilms]

I’ve been using the beta and I love this tracking feature. I do wish they put a score on sleep in general!

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, like a Sleep Score? I agree. I'd love to see that, track it and try to improve it. Garmin has something like a sleep score and I look at it every morning. (I wear two watches to sleep 🤦‍♂️) Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍 BTW, your channel and cinematography is amazing!!! 🤩

[@2WCB]

Hi this is my first time watching your videos, your thumbnail is perfect, the minuet I pressed play you got me more and more hooked with your animations and skill! Wow! This is what amazing addictive content looks like! Everything, I mean everything about this video is peak! Keep it up please! 🎉 Sending love from the UK

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you for the very kind words. I really do enjoy working on these videos and making the animations. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@nickgliha557]

Intro was clean, oh my gosh! Great content man

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you Nick!!! I really do enjoy making intros and animations like this one. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@christophsproehnle2114]

Can we talk about how cool it is to see 4 review-legends having a beer together at 5:50 ? ^^

[@mlegrand]

Or maybe 3 review legends and one weirdo that they took pity on and let hang out. 😂

[@Aesthetic_Al]

Wow! First time on this channel. Immediately subbed after the first seconds of animation 🔥😮‍💨

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you Al! I was just binge watching your channel also. So good!!! Thanks for checking out this video! Talk to you soon!

[@TheVirtualSpotterKostasK]

Let's take a moment to appreciate your editing skills and clever transitions 🙌

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you for the kind words! I really enjoy that part of making these videos.

[@pedrosikes]

Matt , looking forward to see how this “ Vitals app” goes. I own the Apple Watch Ultra and I also own an Ōura ring. My main concern is recording my metrics. It seems you have to sleep while wearing your watch in order to record wrist temperature and sleep metrics. I do not wear my watch to bed but I do wear my Ōura ring. Right now the ring captures all the sleep data runs it through the “Health app“ so I get all my sleep data. Hopefully they will do the same thing with the new Vitals app. But I still don’t know why you can’t calibrate your wrist temperature while just wearing the watch.

[@mlegrand]

Well I can’t speak to why Apple does thing this way but I have a feeling that it’ll mostly be for people who wear their watch to sleep. The Oura ring might be a better option (and more insightful with HRV) than this Vitals app in its current form. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@yevinn-]

I just updated to the beta this morning. I'm exciting for the new features. I hope Apple uses HRV in future releases. Love your videos

[@mlegrand]

I hope so too! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@leviconner]

I would love to see a body battery type metric. Like how garmin does and lets you know when to recover

[@mlegrand]

Me too. I really hope Apple will continue to flush out more and more vitals features for this app. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@leviconner]

@@mlegrand yes sir! Really great video. Gained me as a subscriber

[@etiennericco]

Great content as always thanks. 10:14 you mentioned about making a video on lap swimming… is Apple addressing break tracking and drills?

[@mlegrand]

They're reorganizing swim workouts to show rest intervals. So I'm not sure we're 100% where we want to be but they're making progress. Thanks Etienne!

[@etiennericco]

@@mlegrand on that just switched to Race S after watching your review. Swim mode and widget are out of this world. Thanks!

[@Lotsamotion]

Hey its my first time coming across your channel and that intro was 🔥🔥 I'm locked in now 😮‍💨🤩

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you so much Ian! I really enjoy making these intros and videos as solid as possible. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@stephen170]

Excellent video Matt , very helpful as I am a Apple Watch Ultra owner but love the Garmin metrics you get with there watches . Nice to see there going more that way . Excellent production on your video by the way , you can see you put a lot of effort into them . 👍👍👍

[@mlegrand]

I probably put too much effort into them considering they're just KZbin videos but I enjoy that part of making these. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@bonn1771]

Matt the intro is amazing.. The editing is solid.. You sub's should be higher I am not an apple person but this be nice Happy training

[@mlegrand]

Thank you buddy!!! My channel is the perfect size! 👌 But I really do appreciate the kind words.

[@korsveien]

Is there any changes in the default iPhone screen? The best would be if it was customizable, but been nice if it shows more on that screen. I guess the bike radar function is still missing and also navigation?

[@mlegrand]

Bike radar and navigation would be a huge help here. I wonder if Apple will iterate on the bike features. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@pea1973]

8:39 incredible transition 🤯

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you! I really enjoy making those sorts of things into those videos.

[@4esv]

Who directed this, Christopher Nolan? It’s so good, but like, why? It could have half the production value and be just as informative but hey, one must respect the grind.

[@mlegrand]

Ha! Yeah,100% correct. I ask myself this question all the time. Why did I pay Christopher Nolan to direct this YT video? Jokes aside. I do enjoy trying to make these videos high quality. And I'll try to branch out of product reviews here on KZbin and see where it goes.

[@hehehe5635]

I LOVE YOUR INTRO!! What is this type of shot called?

[@mlegrand]

Great question. I guess you could call it CGI or After Effects. I thought it was fun. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@hehehe5635]

@@mlegrand That’s a cool name! Did you use After Effects to create it?

[@mlegrand]

@@hehehe5635 - Yes, that's exactly what I did to make this effect. 👌

[@KwadSkwad]

excited for some of this. i already track several of these metrics in my phone health app but a notification for some deviations will be nice. training load will be interesting. hopefully they pull in strava data in addition to my apple workouts!

[@mlegrand]

Yeah! I find HRV to be a good indication of if I'm taking good care of myself. (Spoiler, I'm generally not doing a good job) Hope all is well in Huntsville! 👍

[@gregheyheyhey]

Great video, new subscriber as a result! I'm on the beta and I'm torn with the vitals app, too. I'm not totally certain what to do with the data that it's giving me, other than the very high level "you're not working hard enough/you're working too hard" indication. Also, I'd love to see Apple give more guidance as part of Fitness+ how to interpret and adjust based upon the HRV data that the watch is providing. As a general matter, I think Apple could be doing a lot more with Fitness+ to teach on the use of data coming from the watch. I think Garmin does that better. The cynic in me wonders whether Apple doesn't do that because there's not really a scientific consensus on what HRV means and how it should change behaviors. Thanks again for the video - looking forward to new ones and to go back and watch what I've missed.

[@mlegrand]

Thanks for the kind words Greg! I also wonder about HRV and why Apple is holding that metric back. I find it useful on other devices but maybe the accuracy isn’t where Apple wanted it to be or maybe it’s a drain on battery life 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@tombaxter7977]

I hardly ever comment but damn I have to shout out your production quality, super clean thanks for the interesting video!

[@mlegrand]

Thank you Tom!!! I appreciate the kind words!

[@ronlandry7672]

I’m curious once Watch OS 11 is GA, will people compare the Vitals app to Athlytic or Bevel..I use Bevel with my AWU2 and is pretty decent. And it pulls in the HRV data off the watch…mind you the AW doesn’t sample HRV as much like Whoop, and I think Bevel also measures it differently than Athlytic… good summary Matt.

[@mlegrand]

I imagine someone will make that comparison. I don't know if it'll be me or my channel but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[@victoririas2366]

I just got both Athlytic and Bevel and trying them both and then I see Apple is coming out with vitals hopefully it’s accurate and it ends up measuring HRV way more.

[@mlegrand]

@@victoririas2366 - I *think* you'll still want at least one of those apps still at this point. Hopefully Apple will iterate on this in the future and we won't need these forever. 🤷‍♂

[@kenbiro8485]

I have an Ultra 2 that I bought in April of this year, and everything you've talked about is already on my watch, including the Blood Oxygen. Other than that, some of the displays look different I don't think I'm missing anything.

[@mlegrand]

Right. Yes, all of this data is on this device but this Vitals app is a new way to collect and display this data. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@jeffshaw3595]

So I have an Ultra 2 bought in April and I don't have blood oxygen. What gives?

[@mlegrand]

@@jeffshaw3595 - Those changes were made in December of 2023. If you bought one in April of 2024 in the United States it shouldn't have the blood oxygen saturation option.

[@lalit4902]

What a descriptive video, love from india 🇮🇳 ❤

[@mbryars]

I work out every day and use my watch, have the vitals set up on a watch face as a complication so it’s easy to find. It’s the first thing I look at every morning. I wish they were more than five items monitored and hope this improves. But. I do not see the training load. ??

[@mlegrand]

Thank you!!!

[@anthony445]

this guys a pro at all areas of life 💪🧠

[@mlegrand]

Thank you Anthony!!! Super kind of you to say. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@edouard2704]

really good video ! wonderful editing !!!!!

[@mlegrand]

Wow! Thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words.

[@parkatip]

Thanks for the overview. I really don't think I'll bother with installing the beta given the current state. Bevel is pretty decent as an app to go with the Apple Watch.

[@mlegrand]

Nice, I'll have to check that app out. Yeah, installing the beta doesn't seem like big "must do". Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@delion-de]

I really enjoyed the video. Good explanations and stunning animations. Definitely checking out your other videos now.

[@mlegrand]

Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words! Let me know what you think of the other videos and if there's a topic you'd like me to explore. 👍

[@KatelandVu]

How did you get these animations of your Apple Watch Ultra and the Vitals app floating around like in the watchOS 10 reveal? Never seen an Apple YTer explain and edit it so well.

[@mlegrand]

100% self taught! 😂 The program I use to make these animations is called Adobe After Effects. Thank you so much for the kind words. I really enjoy that part of making these videos.

[@KatelandVu]

@@mlegrand You are welcome! Do you do mostly Apple videos focused on fitness?

[@mlegrand]

@@KatelandVu - I cover a lot of sports tech products. Apple Watches, Garmin, COROS etc. I also talk about any sports tech that relates to swimming, biking or running. Coming up I have an Ultrarunning Garmin watch review, a COROS watch discussion video, a pair of cycling wheels, and some cycling computers. But I'll be sure to cover the September 9th Apple announcement. I'm excited about that one!

[@pabichpawel]

Great vid! I would love to see a review o flap swimming

[@mlegrand]

I'm sorry I don't know what that is unless you're talking about some of the new swimming features within WatchOS 11. I'm looking forward to making something about that soon. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@pabichpawel]

@@mlegrand :) flap = lap swiming, that you mentioned at the end of the video

[@mlegrand]

@@pabichpawel - 👌 - I was thinking there might be a different product or something. Thank you!

[@robe4314]

So will the O2 part of the vitals app just be disabled on newer watches as well? They’re showing the icon in all of the demos of vitals which feels wrong.

[@mlegrand]

Apple should release new watches on Monday September 8th. I'll be extremely curious to see what they announce and how they're going to handle that spO2 feature going forwards. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@SpeedGio]

Fantastic video. Thanks! In other news: I haven’t been about to find any videos of Ironman’s or triathlons with the Ultra. It’s so weird!!

[@mlegrand]

Yeah . . . . I'm guessing people that are doing a full Ironman tend to lean away from using an Apple Watch. It should be able to make it the distance (17 hours) but it seems like there are better options on the market. And people willing to pay $800 for race entry and $5000+ for the bike are probably willing to buy a different watch for their triathlon races. 🤷‍♂️ I'm guessing we'll start to see more and more people try it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple expand on battery life at some point but we'll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@SpeedGio]

@@mlegrand Nahhh thank you for your videos man, they are great! I have a FR965, and an AWU, I have an Ironman in two months and still can’t decide which one to wear that day. I’m currently training with the Ultra, but not so sure about the race day, that’s why I’ve been looking for Tri videos. If I don’t feel good about it, I’ll use the Garmin for the race.

[@mlegrand]

@@SpeedGio - I'd probably be thinking the exact same as you!!! 😆

[@benvallis]

How do you do those animations? After effects or something else? Curious to learn for my own channel.

[@mlegrand]

Yes, you got it. After Effects is the program that I used to make those watch transitions/animations. I'm still learning but it's a wild app from Adobe. 👌 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@purnomopurnomo9491]

the temperature doesn’t work on my Ultra 2, i’ve been checking on the health app the watch app the watch itself but no avail, do you guys had a work around? i tried hard reset too anyway great video and ASMR at the same time!

[@mlegrand]

I don't have any ideas for you. Maybe someone else? It might also be worth reaching out to Apple's customer service. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@myboyt]

Wrist size? Great vid

[@mlegrand]

My wrist size is 165mm. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@SignorLuigi]

Nice job on this video! 👏👏👏 I too am surprised Apple is not using HRV in its Vitals app. I am unaware of any other major fitness watch that does not avail itself of HRV to determine your current "state of Fitness." All Apple Watch 3rd party fitness apps that I use employ HRV. In fact, as far as I can tell, HRV is one of the most important metrics used by these apps. The Apple Watch, for all its merits, has really lagged behind other fitness wearables in the quality of its fitness information. They have left it to 3rd party apps to take up the slack. FINALLY the Vitals app is here to address this weakness. But from what I can tell, the Vitals app still has a way to go to be a worthy competitor to the information provided by wearables like the Whoop strap, Aura ring, similarly priced Garmin watches, etc.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, I agree. I’m still hopeful that Apple will continue to develop this vitals app and make it into something truly useful. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@leighrobinson]

I can’t help but be cynical that they want to leave it to 3rd party apps despite the marketing fluff around the Ultra’s capabilities… I get Athlytic is pretty comprehensive but a subscription to collate the data I’m already sampling with my expensive watch? Forget it. The health app seems to be a 20 minute skin on a database by design and it leaves a sour taste. What is the actual point of the Ultra series if it isn’t actually going to tip towards being a serious training tool? It’s being badly let down by software and watchOS11 doesn’t really start to address that, imo.

[@SignorLuigi]

@@mlegrand 😊

[@SignorLuigi]

@@leighrobinson Agree. 👍

[@marauderz731]

So with these possible new updates I won’t have to pay for Athlytic app?

[@mlegrand]

Well . . . very good question. It's worth checking out but I'm guessing you'll still want Athlytic. 🤷‍♂️

[@chriscarpunky]

It needs to measure HRV at minimum every 15 minutes during sleep and then give you a nightly average. It doesn’t take an additional sensor so it wouldn’t eat up any battery life.

[@mlegrand]

I agree but I don't fully understand the technical requirements and battery needs. I'd just love to have it as part of this Vitals app if it's possible! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Xterminated01]

For me the O2 sensor is way off. It shows mine in the 80s and low 90s. But if I use a real O2 sensor, it’s 95-100.

[@chriscarpunky]

If it low in your sleep but not during the day it could be sleep apnea.

[@Xterminated01]

@@chriscarpunky it’s low all the time on the watch. I actually just had a sleep study and that was negative. Also it showed my O2 at 98 on average. Not sure why the watch sucks at it.

[@mlegrand]

I've notice that spO2 test a bit low on all of these watches. In the video my nightly was something like 95 and a a medical finger sensor always shows mine closer to 98-99. I don't think these are super accurate but it's not just Apple. It seems to be all of these wrist based optical heart rate sensors. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Sunbun123]

First time watching your channel, the Intro and the Video Quality was awesome!! Subscribed 😊

[@mlegrand]

Wow, thank you!!! We should have some fun stuff coming up. Apple tends to announce stuff in September and I'm sure other companies will have stuff to talk about as well.

[@Sunbun123]

@@mlegrand yup, I’m excited for the Apple Event and especially the new Apple Watch X. It’ll be my First Apple Watch

[@deepcoolclear]

It’s nowhere as good as the garmin watches which use your sleep cycle and HRV and other sensors to come up with meaningful metrics like Body battery and recovery time - and tells you if you need more rest that day, you might not feel as good, etc - that makes more sense than just letting you know how many hrs you slept in REM, or the stages, etc. I hope the Vitals gets better over time to be more insightful.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, I’m hopeful that this is just the start. We’ll see 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Fernweh_8]

Great vid, as usual. 👍🏼

[@mlegrand]

Thank you!!! 🙏

[@Anonymous-wj1kr]

On my watch ,Apple 6, I don’t have a training load in the vitals app.

[@mlegrand]

Interesting, how long have you been using it with watchOS 11?

[@finanzenPlus1]

So no gym oder weight training included in the vitals app/ training effort? 😢

[@mlegrand]

It's available for HIT but not weight training. Probably because it requires your heart rate to go up for a large amount of time for it to be calculated but you'd have to ask Apple to know for sure. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@cperception]

But apple vitals will also be available for all apple watch users right?

[@mlegrand]

I don’t remember the exact limitations. I’d guess AW Series 4 and above maybe? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Blixten987]

How do I change the settings to show my effort rating? It doesn’t show for me.

[@mlegrand]

Watch App on your iPhone, scroll to the Workout app settings, scroll down to Effort Reminder and. then turn that switch to on. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@brighamyates]

Dude that into!!!! 😱🤯 30k subs. This man should be at 100K+

[@mlegrand]

Ha! 30k subs is perfect 👌 It gives me the chance to chat with people in the comments!!! Thank you for the kind words. I love making fun intros like this. And thank you for taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@lhzsdgsfbvv]

Nice that they try, but it confirms again: Garmin all the way ❤

[@mlegrand]

Yeah . . . .😬 I am hopeful that Apple will continue to iterate on this app. We'll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@dailymotion101]

True. Excellent review, but it convinced me that Garmin is still very much ahead of Apple in a true sports watch. Let alone that Apple is missing training plans for many activities.

[@stevewarshauer1356]

I have been using Watch OS 11 for about a month now. I also wear a Garmin EPIX Gen 2. The training load feature on IOS generally mirrors the Garmin training load from the graphs perspective. It would be nice to see the actual numbers in addition to the graph. I agree that having HRV as a daily metric should be part of the vitals. The check in feature works great also. Interested to see what Garmin’s Fenix 8 has which may be released this coming Tuesday, May 27th. Rumor has it that it will finally get a speaker and microphone which would be great. Anyway, thanks for another fabulous video and I look forward to seeing more your work.

[@mlegrand]

I fellow double watch wearer? 😂 Thank you for the kind words! I wonder if Apple will sneak HRV in here at some point. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@MrLaeddis1]

Training load doesn’t take HRV into consideration? I assumed it did.

[@mlegrand]

Sadly, not that I'm aware of currently. It has more to do with volume of work at a heart rate and effort score. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@ignore-fv7rc]

can I trust my heart rate data from the apple watch ultra? it is vastly different from the dat I gat when I compare it to the data I get when I wear a HRM

[@mlegrand]

It depends. I would do two things. Tighten the AWU and move it up away from the wrist joint when looking for accurate data and if possible wear a second watch connected to that HR strap to directly compare data when exercising. That should give you an idea of accuracy. I’d also suggest making sure the strap has a good connection by adding a little moisture to the two sensors that are in contact with your skin. The two data sets should not be vastly different. If they are something is up. It could be a thousand things but typically the strap is more accurate than the optical hR sensor.

[@tvuong81]

How is battery life when vital is using for all the tracking on?

[@mlegrand]

That's a really good question and I haven't noticed a difference in battery life since using the vitals app. I will say, most of these metrics have been being tracked long before the vitals app collected them into one location. On other brands, I know blood oxygen saturation is a massive battery suck. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment Tone Vuong. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@marcosantinelli7258]

in my ultra 2 (bought in march 24 in Boston) there isn't the Oxygen Level, Is possible to repristinate it now with the Vitals App? Or in an other way?

[@mlegrand]

So Apple has had to turn that feature off in newer purchases due to a legal issue. I don't expect that they turn that back on. I'm just guessing but I think Apple will design newer watches to avoid the patent issue. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@BxSquared]

Do you recommend an apple watch or a garmin? Debating between the two and just tried the whoop trial.. enjoy it but wish it had time and etc from Apple Watch.

[@mlegrand]

What will you mostly be using it for?

[@bryans8653]

That's really the biggest thing that keeps me from using the apple watch. Is the hrv measurements. It is a good indicator of stress levels which is pretty integral to health. Samsung has it really well developed on their watches as do Garmin and Google. I'm not sure why apple doesn't enable it with the software. It's such a vital health metric.

[@mlegrand]

It is on the Apple Watch but you’ve got to go find it in the mobile Health app. It’s nice that it’s right on the watch on other brands. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@renferal5290]

This was very helpful.

[@mlegrand]

Awesome! Glad it helped in some small way. Thanks Ren!

[@Andi69155]

Wondering if the training load is just based on the trainings where I used the AW or even for imported training like riding and using a wahoo bike computer like I do? If not it would be senseless for just cyclists like me. 😉

[@mlegrand]

Yeah . . . 😬 I assume that the training load is strictly based on activities logged on the AW and it's own new Effort rating thing that Apple is doing. Sorry Andi

[@teephud369]

Wait… Are we getting Blood-O2 back or not?

[@mlegrand]

That was one of my biggest questions as well. I'm still looking into it but my understanding as of now is that these are the same optical heart rate sensors with the same patent issues and we would not be getting spO2 back on these devices. 😬 I'll talk about it in an upcoming video. Thanks Dave!

[@David_Palka]

I came to Apple watch 9 after years on Samsung, because I'm that kind of person who don't want to be biased so much. And I miss here for example sleep rating with some specific tips about how to make my sleep better based on my data and for example scoring of rest and train periods (some readines or recomendations based on all these deep data, these watch are able to collect). Probably it can be solved by third party aps, but since Apple products are a bit costier, it would be integrated :D

[@mlegrand]

Good call David! I have tested some smart rings that do a really good job of making recommendations for better health. Alerts for when you should avoid caffeine, times to wind down and avoid screens for better sleep and more. I'd love to see Apple move in this direction. 🤞 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@David_Palka]

@@mlegrand thank you for your answer. Ring is what I tjink about for this reason from time to time to be honest :)

[@nunofernandes4440]

Do you guys have channel to provide feedback to Apple ? Currently own F6 Sapphire and AWU and it’s painfully hard to see the misses from Apple!,

[@mlegrand]

I don't really think Apple is looking for feedback from me directly but I do think they listen to the community and tend to slowly integrate on some of the items that can make the watches better. 🤷‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@performanceanxietyshow]

How do you have SPO2 available?

[@mlegrand]

It was available to devices sold before the lawsuit and outside the United States. It’s my understanding that the same US ban on this feature will be in effect going forward.

[@P.I.D.27]

I have problems with AW metrics. You go skiing and don’t take much info about avr speed, top speed , all runs , denivelation and etc . I don’t know why they don’t put some more extra data for more sports not only for running and cycling 🤷‍♂️ they have all sensors and good gps but ….

[@mlegrand]

Exactly!!! Check out the Slopes: Ski and Snowboarding App. It's a solid option. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Arguna]

HRV doesn't work for me this way. I oppositely often see higher HRV during the night after training.

[@mlegrand]

Hmm, I wonder what's going on there. Very interesting.

[@teo4556]

Hey Matt….you think with watchOS 11 it’s time to stop subscriptions from third party apps like Athlytic or Bevel?

[@Ghost_Pants11]

Hmmm… I know you asked him directly. But I don’t think so. Based, on my experience, both apps have different data, the only things that apple health does differently I baseline from specific vitals, no hrv at least for now, also no stress measure, unless apple add this features, i don’t see those apps dying soon.

[@teo4556]

@@Ghost_Pants11 which one do you prefer? I use both last days and I think I m going to keep bevel.

[@Jadelover123]

To add to this…the vitals app is only on the watch it is not currently on the phone which limits amount of data you can see.

[@mlegrand]

I think this is the perfect question we should be asking. (maybe I should have talked about it in the video). But my gut feeling is that we'll all use both for a bit and realize that the Vitals app isn't as useful as Athlytic or Bevel at this point. Maybe in the future but for now, I think these apps are safe. 🤷‍♂️

[@teo4556]

@@mlegrand maybe it’s a good idea a video about this!It would be helpful for us to make the decision!!!!continue the good job 👍!

[@shawnkilgore2302]

Nice video and animations!

[@mlegrand]

Thanks Shawn!

[@MiserableRacer]

Can ringconn provide hrv via apple health integration?

[@mlegrand]

It does provide HRV but I don't that data is collected into Apple Health. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong here?

[@MiserableRacer]

​@@mlegrandah good to know. I am looking at getting back into apple ecosystem and have ringconn so will see. Looks like Apple are slowly moving towards the wellness side of fitness

[@ChirsRichardson10]

Which watch do you use the most? Apple Ultra or Garmin?

[@mlegrand]

Personally, I'm probably not a great person to ask because I tend to wear two watches at a time. Often an Apple Watch Ultra and some sort of Garmin but I'm always testing new devices. So some times Suunto or COROS or whatever needs to be tested.

[@mlegrand]

I will say that Apple almost always updates their watch in September. So it might be worth waiting to see what they do. But I'm not trying talk you out of buying a watch. 🤷‍♂️

[@ChirsRichardson10]

@@mlegrand Thank you! I have an Apple Ultra 1 and also wear a Garmin when I run. I would like to get to where I just wear 1. My battery life is starting to slip in the ultra 1 and it is frustrating.

[@mlegrand]

@@ChirsRichardson10 - I bet. These lithium ion batteries tend to start to struggle after two years or so. It'll be interesting to see what Apple announces here in a few weeks. 🤷‍♂

[@Maliw]

Where so you check it on Watch OS 10?

[@mlegrand]

Sorry it’s a little unclear what you’re asking. The Vitals app is only on WatchOS 11. HRV can be found in the heath app on your iPhone.

[@Maliw]

@@mlegrand got it, thought it’s available on 10 also:)

[@jeffreytillack4709]

Love your channel Matt. Personally I find the new vitals app kinda rubbish. Overblown hype by Apple. I’ll stick with Training Peaks and my Suunto’s and try to ignore what my Ultra tells me 😂

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, that's understandable Jeff. I'm hopeful that Apple will continue to make progress here but we'll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@giannottister]

But is it true that if you don't sleep with the Apple Watch, Vitals app is not usable?

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, that's pretty much the deal. These 'vitals' are collected at night.

[@giannottister]

@mlegrand Too bad, I can't stand sleeping with the Apple Watch.

[@CaseyCoxx]

Why would they not put HRV in there?

[@mlegrand]

I'm not sure. I wonder if it has to do with the battery requirements of measuring the time between heart beats through out the night. 🤷‍♂️ I really don't know. We've got to expect that it'll be added into the vitals app at some point right?

[@jamesbradley3106]

Vitals heart rate appears to be completely random , not based on average or lowest . No clue ?

[@mlegrand]

It should basically be lowest heart rate recorded while sleeping. Maybe Apple has some slightly different calculation for resting heart rate?!?

[@fsagaer]

I don’t understand why Apple goes to an « over simplified metrics app », instead of a more complete app like Athlytic, but more « organised »…

[@mlegrand]

I know right!?! I am hopeful that they’ll increase the detail and continue to iterate on this app. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@MikeGonzalez777]

@Matt, please do a video on which decide you’d pick if you could only have one! Or respond to this comment. No details, just model. 😅

[@mlegrand]

Just me personally? Price isn't a factor? I'd probably go with the Garmin Fenix 8 at this moment in time. That's a nice watch (at a heavy price 😬)

[@MikeGonzalez777]

@ thanks Matt! I was able to get 25% off the F8 Solar 51mm this past weekend through planet fitness discounts. Still expensive but that chunk off made it a lot easier for me. I was going back and forth between the AWU2, but Garmin just does fitness so well. Wish you even more success. Cheers.

[@Testoflove-z7n]

I’m surprised you mentioned the blood oxygen saturation sensor lawsuit but didn’t mention the most important part of that lawsuit when it was revealed that the way Apple measures SpO2 is useless. Blood oxygen changes in seconds and Apple measures at large intervals of several minutes. Even once a minute is a waste of time as you can miss critical data for sleep apnea as an example. You need to sample SpO2 constantly which Apple does not.

[@mlegrand]

Can you send me some more resources? I’d love to learn more Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Testoflove-z7n]

"The Blood Oxygen app on your Apple Watch will occasionally measure your blood oxygen levels if background measurements are on. This will usually happen when you are not moving. Depending on how active you are, the number of readings collected each day and the time between these readings will vary. Blood oxygen measurements use a bright red light that shines against your wrist, so it may be more visible in dark environments. If you find the light distracting, you can turn off background measurements." From apple support. It measurements are accurate but not useful unless continuously monitored. If you climb a mountain and want a quick snap shot of your oxygen saturation at altitude, it's accurate. Masimo also made this claim in their lawsuit. The issue is not accuracy but sampling rate. If it's a reading once a minute or at even greater intervals and you begin to snore and you oxygen saturation drops for 20 seconds, it will miss it entirely.

[@Fernweh_8]

Do any other sport watches measure O2 Sat continuously? I would think that would tank the battery severely.

[@mlegrand]

@@Testoflove-z7n - So if your spo2 dropped for 20 seconds you'd have a 1/3 odds of catching that dip. That doesn't seem completely useless to me. What are the sample rates of the finger clips that the hospitals use? They can't be continuous either. They're based on the same technology and used to diagnose sleep apnea right?

[@Testoflove-z7n]

@@mlegrand it is useless for sleep apnea. The hospital ones or even a cheap Amazon one usually sample at 1hz or greater. That’s a sample every second. “Sampling Rate: High Resolution pulse oximeters (HRPO) incorporate a sampling rate of >1 / second. Lower sampling rates can underestimate event amplitudes to apneas and miss events. This can cause an artificially low oxygen desaturation index (ODI).” Apple Watch can be even longer than once a minute. Essentially useless for sleep apnea.

[@thisisbenji90]

This seems like a swing and a miss. Guess I’ll continue wearing my Apple Watch and whoop.

[@mlegrand]

I know right?!? It’s got potential. Hopefully Apple continues to work on it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@TheZanshen]

No hrv . Garmin still beats it by a mile

[@mlegrand]

Well, the Apple Watch does collect and displays HRV in the iPhone. It just isn’t a part of this Vitals app. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

The app developers for Apple do a LOUSY job. The health app is currently garbage, and so I’m not shocked. Even though the HR accuracy isn’t as good as with an Apple watch, the WHOOP app is fantastic. Apple needs to up their game.

[@mlegrand]

I haven’t ever tested the whoop stuff. Seems like I get a lot of those metrics from Garmin. But I agree that they nail the mobile application side of things. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@korsveien]

Oxygen level has never gone away in Scandinavia, guess it’s US patent?

[@mlegrand]

Yes, US only. I'm wonder if Apple will change their optical HR sensor this fall. 🤔

[@leonelbustosb]

Dude, all studies show that measuring your sleep is bad for your sleep

[@mlegrand]

Really? Hit me up with some of these studies. Thanks!

[@dannydinthemountains]

I would like to see these too. This is counter to what I’ve heard because tracking sleep metrics can help you proactively improve your sleep hygiene, thus improving your sleep. Just like tracking your exercise can help you train harder more steadily over time if you put the effort in. It’s all about the effort you put in and these are just tools to help you.

[@gpfraser1]

Apple Watch doesn't take enough HRV measurements to get a meaningful insight.

[@mlegrand]

Is that what the issue is? I'm guessing those measurements would take a hit on the battery but it seems like a helpful metric for an app like this. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@gpfraser1]

​@@mlegrand I appreciate your effort that goes into making these videos!

[@Phat-rj3jo]

@@mlegrandNo I don’t think that’s what the issue is, HRV reading is really only useful if you can do it consistently at the same time (preferably in the morning when you just woke up) with same position, constant measurement through out the day just gives you a lot of irrelevant data. There are a lot of medical articles on this.

[@Fernweh_8]

If you toggle on AFIB HISTORY it will sample hrv more frequently during sleep and therefore have more data from which to draw. After comparing apple to garmin in this regard, they are usually really close with this setting toggled on. For me, the most valuable info is found in overall trends and deviations in HRV. I find that a drop in HRV from my baseline usually correlates to faster burnout during the day or generally feeling less energetic and “well”. There are also some decent 3rd party apps that take this info and give you some more insights similar to what garmin does. I hope Apple expands on this in future updates.

[@SilviaSphere]

🤩

[@mlegrand]

Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment Silvia! I really appreciate it. 👍

[@dean_winchester007]

Actually, great video………..actually😅

[@mlegrand]

Did I say actually a lot in this video? Seems like something I’d do

[@jult2826]

☔️💜

[@mlegrand]

Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍