The Crew Do Not Blame Janeway For Stranding Them In The Delta Quadrant

[@BoroMirraCz]

This. This right here is a definitive Star Trek scene. Scene where the captain is willing to sacrifice for the crew and the crew is willing to risk their lives with the captain. The sense of family and camaraderie is the reason why I LOVE Voyager and Stargate. It always gives me hope...

[@x--.]

Agree with all of that but it still left me feeling a bit empty. They just did Kate so wrong because here she is, she has committed herself to a death sentence for the sake of her crew and, perhaps more importantly, her honor and she makes a joke and moves on? Like, what? What kind of character is that? What kind of garbage directing or writing put her in the place where she comes off as ... uncommitted. "Oh, I had a little idea about a suicide mission but I guess since you've all decided not to let me do it, oh well! jokey-mutiny-joke, moving on!" -- THEY ROBBED HER OF A GLORIOUS MOMENT! (Instead giving the most memorable moment in the whole damn scene to Seven of Nine; which is nice but shows a distinct lack of respect to the character of Janeway). I know I sound crazy but if you are going to set up a whole plot where the guilt she's been carrying for 4 years finally overwhelms her in this similar situation and she's going to get over it in a few seconds and cap it off with a joke? What? I have no idea if her character was convinced of the value of this family staying together or merely recognized she had been outmaneuvered and had no options. It made it feel like there were no stakes. Just a handy contrivance easily dealt with in a joke one-liner. And it wouldn't have taken much to fix this, right? To give her a moment where we can see her eyes reflecting on the people surrounding her; her surprise? her humanity? And in that moment giving her a much better line that "You could all be hanged...blahblah" (hanging and capital punishment in general being unheard of in this Starfleet's Trek) and something like, "You all belong in the brig....[beat]... with me right beside you. Looks like we need another option." Or something, anything, where we can see her accept that these jerks were *not* going to let her take the blame on this one. One for all and all for one! I don't know why the writers' didn't seize on this moment and others where it felt like Mulgrew could have shined in the same way Stewart and Brooks had. Maybe I'm being unfair and not giving the showrunners their due but I really felt they didn't keep the pulse of Captain Janeway as strongly as they should have and started doing skits without fitting these characters into those stories realistically. /rantover

[@x--.]

@Video Blend I wasn't but I'm sure one could make that comparison. I probably would not. Finn decided on the heat of the moment without having time to consider, not that it diminishes his attempt but there is a difference between a choice made in the calm, cool-headed sonic shower and while taking fire as your compatriots are being picked off. So the deus ex rose maneuver may have felt clunky from the POV of basic physics and maybe Rose's character it never felt disingenuous in the way this did. Finn was committed to a noble sacrifice and had to be physically stopped. Although... That would have been a much better reason to sideline Rose in the last film, Finn's angry at Rose for not letting him slow the First Order down so he refuses to work with her. (Though I haven't thought threw that coffee at all, so don't hold me too it being a good idea)

[@desoliver9712]

...and the Kurtzman took over.

[@DavidSmith-bt5zn]

JJ Abrams would not understand that. He would just blow up the entire quadrant.

[@PhoenixGC89]

Stargate SG1 is still my favorite sci fi show

[@Three-Headed-Monkey]

"Harry take helm." "I'm sorry Captain." "I'll make you a Lieutenant." "Get out of the way, Tom."

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

lol but she wouldn`t be able to

[@darrellhunt2628]

When Harry doesn't obey orders, you know you got problems... he's scared to death of Janeway......

[@martinadrianarcenas867]

from eager ensign to loyal leutenant? lol

[@skynetprime82]

Poor Harry has remained an ensign all that time while seven of nine never received a rank of her own (at least from what I remember)

[@sabasman]

this made me laugh hard xD

[@Cubsfan-hp1gw]

“Mutiny? On a Federation Starship? Thats shocking...its unthinkable” -Jean Luc-Picard

[@eceozuduru5148]

Cubsfan3585 someone should teach Picard to think out of the box

[@pattimcb31]

Lol remember Data once mutinied and hijacked the ship to see his creator.

[@fryfry377]

"You realize, you could all be hanged." - Kathryn Janeway

[@Beyondthe5thPanel]

Ru New not by choice

[@pattimcb31]

@@Beyondthe5thPanel Trip and T'Pol lead a mutiny on their Enterprise

[@dmanc85]

All hands to battlestations Neelix: I should probably start making an omelette or something

[@TheGeekBox]

Best comment so far.... 😂😂

[@51stcenturygirl]

Where js the lie😆

[@nicholasmaude6906]

"Neelix: I should probably start making an omelette or something" And no doubt the Doctor will be awaiting his first patient sickbay suffering from food-poisoning.

[@luckystarpiano]

Hahaaaa👏👏🤣🤣

[@K-11609]

If anything, he'd be brewing some coffee

[@CharlesUrban]

The most wholesome mutiny ever.

[@allisonkuechlesilva3332]

Correction: the second most wholesome mutiny. The most was when the children who Picard promoted to officers refused to leave him behind in the TNG episode Disaster.

[@hyhena-gaming9986]

Allison Kuechle Silva oh god your right

[@blairbrown4812]

@@hyhena-gaming9986 Star Trek III. 'Nuff said. With Insurrection a close second.

[@MikinessAnalog]

@@allisonkuechlesilva3332 The girl was "Number 1" LMAO

[@LairdErnst]

Mutiny out of love for the captain is more of a sanity check than than betrayal.

[@beaut-ful-d-saster]

The way Captain Janeway's entire crew stood up to her and wouldn't let her throw her life away... That is the most wholesome and loving thing I've ever seen anyone do towards a Starfleet Captain.

[@CeltycSparrow]

And I love that while all of her core people are there, its B'ellana who speaks up first and tells her that they won't be leaving her behind. That shows that even she has loyalty to her new Captain, despite their rough start.

[@Mustang-bk4ns]

Well, there was Data destroying the ship in Nemesis and giving Picard his combadge to beam out of danger.

[@badman477]

“Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed” That’s such a badass line

[@darkclawgreatonenas]

Janeway: "ive made my decision..." rest of the Crew: "we recognize that the captain has made her decision, but given that its a stupid ass decision, we have elected to ignore it..."

[@Ryvaken]

That is a line from someone who knows how the writers work. It is an inefficient philosophy, however, and very unlike Seven.

[@veggiet2009]

Yes! It's like the perfect marriage of Borg assurance and Starfleet hope.

[@kbanghart]

​@@Ryvakenits very unlike Seven when she first was severed from the collective, but it's very her at this point in the series, because she's deciding to let her humanity take more control. And inefficient is correct, that's a human trait.

[@lazyperfectionist1]

"You realize you could all be _hanged_ for _mutiny?"_ "Well, Captain, I guess you'll just have to see us back to the Alpha Quadrant, first."

[@Meerkat040]

"Nonsese, all senior staff report to my ready room. Iv got a phaser set to kill with all your names on it. Come on. Lets go. Guess ill just have to find a new crew"

[@Hamstray]

@@Meerkat040 i've got a phaser set to "hang"

[@maxsteel4950]

I remember when they used that line in the commercial previews to promote the new episode, then of course 3 seconds later everyone's back to smiling and getting along. This show was so over hyped.

[@mayakane9978]

@@maxsteel4950 you have watched the episode right?

[@maxsteel4950]

@@mayakane9978 Obviously. The "mutiny" part was just a dumb joke by Janeway and had nothing to do with the episode. The original previews made it look like there was a civil war on the ship but instead everyone laughed it off and immediately went back to normal business. Lame AF

[@arralartathi]

so many people hate on voyager, but "i will not comply" is a gem.

[@joonasvilen8759]

@dark zeratul Oh cmon Voyager isnt even close to being Discovery bad.

[@Joe-eb8vc]

What retards hate on Voyager? Voyager is the shit.

[@TheBashfulTurnip]

Voyager is awesome!

[@Alvin-1138]

I think it was really a case of Star Trek(series) burnout, that affected so many people's perception of Voyager at the time. Also, while no one talks about it, especially now, a _female_ Captain was challenging for people to get adjusted to.

[@jgrj52]

I hated chakotay but not Voyager

"Chance is irrelevant. We will succeed."

[@macsenpuma]

I like Seven of Nine's way of thinking on this.

[@charleschuckfinley3304]

@@macsenpuma i just want to die in between her jugs of love

[@zekkampung2235]

Yeap, it's definitely the most positive thinking statement of all time. I love the way Seven or Borg thinks, they don't have the luxury of giving hesitated response.

[@aldendomino3523]

@@charleschuckfinley3304 You won't get close enough. She'll fire a phaser into your eyes.

[@ChanceNavarro]

What a fucked up line

[@TarkinBaroth]

I like how the background crew won’t even turn around to acknowledge what’s going on behind them. “Act busy, act busy, ...”

[@paladinboyd1228]

"if we look up she will beat us"

[@axenledgie1423]

Moments like these are why I love Voyager as much as I do.

[@gremice31]

I know she's not the most popular captain but I love Janeway. She's stead fast in her resolve to do what's right, which is a mix of both duty and conscience. A true leader. Few captains could have gotten there crew home from so far away. But Janeway always showed the passion the keep her crew and there journey alive.

[@Moviefan2k4]

Janeway was more complicated than people give her credit for. The writers gave her many different layers as the series went on, taking her from super-strict to a more balanced place.

[@joshuas.169]

How is sentencing someone to 30 days in solitary confinement without do much as an exercise period balanced. She had to be convinced to allow Harry Kim to visit the one time. This is the same federation where 100 years earlier Kirk referred to penal colonies as "no longer cages anymore".

[@thewewguy8t88]

my take on this is i have mixed feelings about janeway. and the show voyager in general. like i may be bais as i have been watching sfbris since he first started making videos. i have watched every star trek review he has made to date. and voyager in general was a show that played it safe and played janeway safe. for caretaker however the show really needed a rewrite in order for the reason to be justifided. but i do give them credit for this episode for showing us how that choice did effect her. i wont say its too little too late but i will say i think the show did need a do over almost from the start. its nice that she can admit she was maybe wrong in her choice. i think she was flawed as a captain and was maybe not as prepared as eveyone thought. in universe i think everyone maybe gave her too much credit as being a fully capable captain(as the prime directive is taken to its extreme in this show as just an example) i think its more like the show was just not written well enough for the show to express what janeway was supposed to be. and honestly janeway herself is just one of many issues the show had overall i think the show would have might have been fine if janeway was the only issue the show had.

[@laedwards49]

Not to forget also a brilliant scientist who (was to/would have) developed technology to survive Borg space and eventually taken the Voyager crew home.

[@RetiredVet2020]

Each Captain seemed to be well crafted to the plots of their series. The right place at the right time I guess lol

[@YosenBMamma]

"What's a hologram to do?" One of the wittiest lines in all of Star Trek!

[@Rahhelthethird]

"Activate Emergency Command Hologram!"

[@CeltycSparrow]

One of MANY moments when Janeway's crew proves their devotion and love to their Captain. Yes they are alone....yes the odds are they might not get home (even though we know they do)....but they have faith in her that SHE will get them there. And they aren't about to leave her behind....even if that meant them getting back to their loved ones....it wasn't enough unless they did it together. That is NOT mutiny, my dear Captain.....that is LOYALTY.

[@loboling9188]

2:47 Janeway just ejected the warp core...

[@arbknight12]

“Yes I can see that.” *Activates red lightsaber* “It’s treason then.”

[@Deadpool_64]

"We could ask Starfleet, if we were able" "I AM the Starfleet!"

[@madtrucker3757]

One of my favorite scenes on the entire series. The family stays together. Night was a good episode.

[@April-dv2pb]

Yes it was.

[@arralartathi]

everyone dumps on voyager, but it was a really good show.

[@BadWolfSilence]

arralartathi And they only dump on it because it wasn’t The Next Generation and it has a woman as a captain. Voyager is fantastic.

[@sillychinas]

BatgirltheRobin No, let's be honest voyager is not as good. It's the writing, not any character in general. Tom, Chakotay, and Harry are not fleshed out even after 7 seasons. And DS9 is the best Star Trek by a long shot, TNG is far behind.

[@RequiemPoete]

Yeah no. Objectively speaking it's bad. I love Kate Mulgrew, but her character was just a big fat Mary Sue. How many captains can assist in brain surgery and handle recalibrating the warp core? And before going "She's a science officer!" Fair enough. Are you going to let a physicist cut out a brain tumor? Half her decisions made the crew worse off ( really? Letting a badguy keep the lungs he stole?) The only reason she came out on top was shark leaping writing to force her to be right. Then there's Chakotay who tells you the song of his people. Which people? They mix and match beliefs between various tribes, not particularly close to each other. Neelix is useless and annoying. Technobabble and bad science abound. Horrible show with a few gems.

[@Pinkielover]

better then discovery crap

[@RequiemPoete]

@@Pinkielover That's like saying lemonade without sugar is better than drinking straight vinegar.

[@mikevanroy9356]

"Naomi Wildman to the bridge. You're my new XO. I don't care if you're only 5."

[@tednorberto3086]

The sub-unit. Yess!

[@PhillipLemmon]

LMFAO and ROTFL!!!

[@adamking4538]

Mike Van Roy it would be the other way round idiot “Bridge to Naomi wildman” you’re my new xo

[@blargd]

@@adamking4538 Actually I think he's implying that she's been summoned to the bridge so it would be the way around it's put here. For example it's basically the same as "All hands to battle-stations" it's a summon.... "idiot"

[@driver3464]

She would side with the rest of them

[@yanderefangirl8317]

I always thought it was sad that Janeway had to carry with immense guilt for years. She was willing to sacrifice her own life if it meant that the rest of the crew could return home.

[@tmedocianis]

What a great scene. First she approaches Tom, the person she gave a second chance to. Someone who should be willing to do whatever for her considering what she did for him. Then, she approaches Harry who is the good person who always does what's right, especially when it comes to being an officer. Finally, she approaches Seven, the Borg who complies to all orders of her Leader/The Queen because why, she's a Borg. And, Seven responds with the best line of the scene before the order is even given. "I will not comply." Voyager was a great show. All of the Star Treks were, regardless of what some people say. "I will not comply."

[@scambroselauntrellus3681]

Just as Picard is Space Dad, Janeway is Space Mom. That's why we love her.

[@connormccloy9399]

Yossi Lipton yet she’s not a competent captain, as is proven in this clip.

[@markfuston2714]

@@connormccloy9399 But she was the best captain for them in the Delta Quadrant imo.

[@hudsonball4702]

And Sisko is the space uncle you'd rather spend you time with.

[@markfuston2714]

@@hudsonball4702 Honestly I never really liked Sisko..lol, I know I might get some hate for it but I just never really cared for him.

[@llamapi3]

@@markfuston2714 rAcIsT sCuM!!!11!!!

[@antbojo]

1:42 That subtle death glare she gives Chakotay because she realized he spilled the beans.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Janeway had a damn loyal crew.

[@manslayer1972]

Demarcus Faulkner they all wanted to be in the next episode

[@dan292009]

Best crew in Star Trek

[@BoroMirraCz]

This is what happens when the captain really cares about the crew to the point of breaking actual rules when something threatens the crew. Voyager crew were FAMILY, ENT crew were friends, TNG crew were colleagues and DS9 crew were... just sort of there

[@maxsteel4950]

Because the writers made it that way. It would never happen in real life.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

Yeah...shame she straight up murdered one of them, once. I suppose it could be argued that Tuvix wasn't a part of the crew so much as a passenger, but given they let him perform ship duties and wear the uniform, that struck me as accepting him as part of the crew. And Janeway had as much duty of care to him as she did the rest of her crew. Protecting the lives of crew members is absolutely Janeway's top priority....right up until it becomes convenient to murder one of them in order to bring back two dead ones.

[@CaptKJaneway]

I love the fact that Chakotay just stood there waiting for everyone else to say it

[@Mademoiselle_Katie]

This scene truly proves the loyalty of a crew to their captain.

[@AurianWarriorOfDarkness]

The chermisty in this show is legendary

[@BoroMirraCz]

Yep, best Trek crew... by a large margin.

[@alphanerd7221]

@@BoroMirraCz The original is much better.

[@kbanghart]

​@@alphanerd7221nah, just different.

[@alphanerd7221]

@@kbanghart Kirk, Spock, Bones, no TV show has come close to touching that level of chemistry.

[@kbanghart]

@@alphanerd7221 lol

[@Moviefan2k4]

I loved Jeri Ryan's delivery of her line, when Kate Mulgrew glanced her way: "I will not comply." Roughly translated, it was her personal version of "resistance is futile".

[@JC-ze2et]

Is it still considered mutany if they want the captain to STAY in command? Serious question

[@rvog6584]

Disobedience of orders is not, technically, mutiny. it is however its own serious violation of miitary rules. Deposing the c.o. & placing some1 else in dat role is mutiny. Wot bridge crew did here is more .... insurrection. Janeway is rite ... she culda given em all death penalty 4 failure 2 obey in time of war. As has been noted, shes a gud enuf leader that she realized a new solution presented itself, & redirected crew ...

[@bobpage6597]

@@rvog6584 I think Jayneway's comment was for dramatic purposes. The almighty Federation is not in the habit of executing anyone, even in a mutinous situation. It'll simply be a long spell in a Federation penal colony.

[@rvog6584]

@@bobpage6597 yeah, sounds rite, I can surely concede dat pt. ...

[@RequiemPoete]

@Cobb Knobbler No. Strictly speaking it's insubordination.

[@r0bw00d]

@Cobb Knobbler You're wrong. Try looking up all of the elements that make up the charge for mutiny. I'll save you some time: www.thebalancecareers.com/punitive-articles-of-the-ucmj-3356859 If you need help interpreting it, just let me know; I worked in a JAG office for two years.

[@corineetter9830]

This is by far one of my favorite moments!!! I can rewatch this part over and over again!!!

[@Jeng4280]

Indeed. This was a good episode. I throughly enjoyed it. And felt so bad for Janeway blaming herself once again for getting Voyager stranded in the DQ. I wished that Chakotay had stood up to her more when she refused him once again. That would have been very interesting.

[@embott1]

Which episode is this?

[@sephservant]

@@embott1 Episode 5.1, "Night"

[@stevenrobert8567]

there are many many find scenes worthy of watching over and over

[@jimhuffman9434]

"It's treason then" - Sheev Palpatine

[@thomassiregar5848]

I enjoy watching the autogenerated caption. "Captain on the fridge"

[@skynetprime82]

That's straight up love, Janeway couldn't do/say anything but feel appreciated 😊

[@joshuas.169]

Genesys Wyatt Didn't many of the people in the People's Temple love Jim Jones? Doesn't mean he deserved it.

[@mngentry]

"I will not comply." Janeway's face...

[@Moviefan2k4]

Exactly - "Shit; not even the Borg will listen."

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

Honestly i prefer the lines and reactions from. "Chance is irrelevant, we will succeed" "A vote of borg confidence, who can argue with that?" :)

[@thedevastator1994]

"It is Treason, then!"

[@RimWulf]

"You know you all can be hanged for mutiny" 👏👏👏👏👏

[@michaellbryan8714]

That's is one of my startract shows everyone.i love this very show i miss it so very much and i feel that im part of this as well.untill next time i miss you all.

[@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS]

Oh look! REAL STAR TREK writing! How I miss that!

[@mitche5007]

And this is why we love Star Trek. This scene sure looks like they are a family and they actually care about each other. What a novel idea in a crazy world.

[@stevenreichertart]

It brings tears to my eyes to think that the crew is in this together as they should be.

[@martinw1327]

There comes a time in every commanders life where they find out what sort of leader they have been. by the loyalty shown by the crew, who dared look death in the face, laughed and said NOT TODAY!

[@TattoojunkieDB1841]

And B’Lanna is the first to speak up - after her anger in the first episode and her resentment towards Janeway…shes the first to say “no! Were not leaving you behind”

[@Shsy7573]

That “forget it” had me actually dying when it happened! She doesn’t even wait for her to finish carrying out her orders like the others. B’Lanna was rlly just like “oh absolutely not! No way! No!” I wish they’d looked more into the Captain and B’Lanna’s relationship. This scene rlly made me think

[@Aramanth]

A beautifully arranged scene, I love it!

[@XanthIllion]

"Harry, Take the helm!" "I will, in exchange for that damn promotion."

[@xavvijay]

Voyager having Gene Roddenberry's soul..

[@tjames9698]

Wrong. He’d never have a female Captain as a main character. Never.

[@alphanerd7221]

@@tjames9698 Guess again. He tried having a female first officer and the studio nixed it.

[@tjames9698]

@@alphanerd7221 Yeah - I do know that. But as a Captain? Nope. He’s never do it.

[@alphanerd7221]

@@tjames9698 You're stupid and being adamantly so makes you no less wrong.

[@p-mies1192]

Can we just take a second to appreciate the epicness of the music when they go red alert

[@P-Drum]

It's moments like these that make me fall in love with Voyager.

[@aliboy357]

Most peaceful mutiny I've ever seen

[@davewolf6256]

I kind of like how the writers completely understood Janeway (aka, Captain Deathwish) 's psychology by this point in the series.

[@lewismackay9533]

THIS is why Voyager was so great, it was an evolving show, the relationships and the characters evolved and grew as it went on. Yeah that happened in DS9 and TNG but not to the degree Voyager did. Voyager was first and foremost about the crew, the people and their story of being stuck in the Delta Quadrant. I loved that.

[@tomkalivoda]

I would argue the chracters on Ds9, evolved the most. Personally I think TNG had the minimum to zero, chracter growth.

[@alwayswanted1021]

"Night" is still my favorite episode of Voyager

[@MEEEPMEEEPMEEEPMEEEP]

1:21 "But given that it's a stupid-a** order I've elected to ignore it"

[@ThiagoMorgoth]

I love Janeway! Ela é a definição de liderança, força e coragem. Ela não é perfeita, mas nunca abandona seus princípios por conveniência.

[@Norvo82]

Now if this scene had been at the end of Caretaker, the crew would have been home before the credits rolled.

[@StrongOaker]

It is truly sad that we loose timed explosives in the future or the Caretaker array could've safely had a timer to blow it shortly after sending them back to the Alpha Quadrant.

[@ParodyKnaveBob]

@@StrongOaker As I recall, that option was considered and dismissed because merely being on a timer after they left wouldn't *guarantee* its destruction.

[@hunter11976]

It's like everyone forgets that Tuvok said it'd take several hours to work out how to use the Caretaker's array... that's several hours Voyager would have had to hold off the Kazon - who had reinforcements on the way

[@FortoFight]

Imagine if Admiral Janeway had interferred then instead, and just obliterated the Kazon with transphasic torpedoes. Immediate return + dead kazon = huge win (except they wouldn't have Seven anymore).

[@Obsolete386]

@@FortoFight Almost all of Admiral Janeways motivation was saving Seven of Nine, she couldn't interfere before she was rescued

[@adammullarkey4996]

When Harry refuses an order, you know sh*ts getting real.

[@Relayer526-mi4wt]

She should have offered him a promotion 😅

[@Raul-wt5jx]

I love the way Janeway looks at Chakotay and doesn't even bother saying anything. She knows it was his doing.

[@williamr1088]

This type of Mutiny was necessary the crew needs their Captain more than ever. I just wish Janeway showed her Emotions more when the crew shared their Emotions towards her but i understand that she has to keep it Professional but being 70,000 light years from home she should relax that professionalism even further. There was a lot of scenes in Voyager where i think Janeway should have shed Tears of joy when the crew shared their affection towards her.

[@philipvernejules9926]

....all tjate required is for the ship's doctor to declare the captain not in full possession of their mental faculties .

[@tonyfabulous6775]

Tuvok with a well timed "indeed"

[@Foebane72]

"You realise you could all be HANGED for mutiny?" Only on a Royal Navy ship of the 1700s, perhaps.

[@seven0929]

That's why I love Voyager! * Whistles to Seven09 *

[@Imperius254]

Anyone else get the feeling from the end music to this scene makes you think Voyager is going to war?

[@maxsteel4950]

1 ship isn't a war

[@uhejnjd]

The best thing about this show is they were all stranded in a foreign place, alone for seven years. They became family with each other, more so then Next generation or Deep Space 9 was with each other. Here they just wanted to be together, even if it meant more time spent in that foreign place. This what makes Voyager set apart from the others. Because its not about friendships, its about family.

[@MrRossHartman]

Thanks for posting; the best scene from a great episode. Coming up: "Time to take the garbage out!"

[@coldfusionstormgaming1808]

_Times UP_ Bulkheads and Monitors are for losers real Women uses emergency shields as bridge viewscreens.

[@Marchant2]

"I will not comply." Bad Borg. BAAD Borg!

[@stargazer7644]

Perhaps she needs a spanking?

[@ctbt1832]

Lol Seven didn’t even wait for her to say anything lol 😂

[@BX138]

Voyager is my favorite Trek. Followed closely by DS9.

[@kevinjasper6620]

I'd bet not every captain got this kind of loyalty and love.

[@thundermaxx1273]

OK, so we know how the senior staff feels about this, but what about those three (3) crew members on the bridge with their backs turned - facing away at the bridge computer consoles. If you wanted to make this a REALLY dramatic scene, shouldn't they have been turned around and facing front along with everyone else while this "mutiny of loyalty" was going on?

[@Marchant2]

Most extras aren't allowed to speak because then they become actors.

[@Tigerman1138]

Jason Briski what if they gasp?

[@Gartneren1234]

That could because of something that all crew members on real boats are familiar with: NEVER, under any circumstances, let your ship sail blind. By "blind" I mean that no crew members are paying attention to the ship's most essential controls and components, and, in the case of sailing ships, the seas. At all times there have to be someone who keeps an eye on ship's, in this case Voyager's, control panels. An unexpected situation can arise at any moment, and failing to have someone on the lookout for such situations, is just irresponsible. I have sailed on a ship myself, and there were three stations that we were to have manned at all times: the helm (obviously), navigations (helmsman is responsible for the compass, but a dedicated navigator is required for the maps and GPS), and lookout, whose job it is to alert the helmsman should anything unusual occur, such as a man falling overboard, or should a sail come loose. The same thing applies to space ships. It could be that these three crew members simply chose to stay on the alert, and let the senior officers stand up to the captain.

[@KiraVexing]

Mattias beat me by a mere 6 days. Succinctly, SOMEONE has to sail the ship!

[@pwnmeisterage]

It's not a ship, it's a show.

[@questworldmatrix]

One guy in the back: "Not getting in the middle of this." Plays Galaga.

[@jedrhodes4833]

This was a beautiful moment

[@Jeng4280]

I really enjoyed this episode. I know the cast didn’t particularly care for it., but I really enjoyed it.

[@Dirshaun]

Lol even the hologram told her to pack sand. Your stuck with us!!

[@otomicans6580]

I like how as the camera pans across the bridge it nudges up a bit to get a better view of Seven.

[@hankthepatriot3733]

This show was so underrated in its time!

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

Those folks in the background just chilling and getting on with work while a mutiny occurs.

[@carmensavu5122]

Every time Seven of Nine says 'comply', take a shot!

[@erichammer8434]

This is why I loved Voyager!!

[@patton3338]

Lotta people here mad that Voyager is way more popular on Netflix than even TNG....

[@daniellevsen]

The best kind of mutiny one that keeps and hangs on to the Captain

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

This is mutiny, Mr. Queeg. I'll see you swing from the highest yard-arm in Titan Docking Port for this day's work.

[@-M0LE]

QuarrellaDeVil yay red dwarf reference 😂😂😂

[@Eternitycomplex]

Interestingly enough, Voyager's final solution for getting home was remarkably similar. Go through a shortcut in subspace used by an enemy to get home (or closer to it), destroy said shortcut in the process and cause lasting damage to the enemy at the same time. Just substitute the Ma'lon with the Borg and the Vortex with the Transwarp conduit.

[@meamishere1166]

They techno-babbled the reset button.

[@rkmugen]

Everyone (else) always talks about how Janeway was reckless, irresponsible, and always putting her crew in danger. I beg to differ... Janeway is exactly the kind of person you'd want to lead you and your fellow crew mates to victory....... and by the series finale, that is EXACTLY what she did.... and she managed to cripple the Borg doing so. I see no reason why anyone should complain about that! And then being irresponsible... well, if you listened to the backstory that Tuvok provided to Chakotay about then-Commander (first officer of the U.S.S. Billings) Janeway's quest for redemption for getting her crewmates injured, you'll see just how far she is willing to go to set things right. Don't tell me that's not a quality one would want in a leader. And for seemingly always putting her crew in danger..... ....... well shit, folks.... *SPACE IS DANGEROUS!* To quote Q from TNG: _"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."_

[@-M0LE]

rkmugen well said

[@SwobyJ]

And this is why Q is not just fascinated with Janeway (as the case with Picard), but she outright endears herself to him. And well, Sisko gave 'space' (Q) a punch in the nose himself, Q found that adequate but too boring to stick around. When pushed, Picard will allow a little chaos, but Janeway was a not so covert thrill seeker and that was necessary for the situation everyone was in.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

rkmugen agreed

[@maxsteel4950]

Um going back in time to get Voyager home sooner was the biggest violation of the prime directive that's ever happened

[@JACCO20082012]

I've never watched more than a handful of episodes of voyager but the clips and episodes I've seen make me think it is the best parts of TNG distilled.

[@-sirfrenzy-1781]

Janeway needs the Warp 10 shuttle to stay behind at least.

[@tigersebel]

We do not talk about this. This never happened.

[@racer927]

@@tigersebel I prefer to think of Threshold as a badly written holonovel by Tom and Neelix.

[@Brian6587]

Voyager was such a great series and Janeway was a hell of a Captain. She took the best qualities of Sisko, Kirk and Picard and made it her own. It's funny because I see each of them in Janeway through different episodes. The Diplomat, Explorer and Soldier.

[@jacksons6377]

She should’ve asked those random crew members at the console in the background. I bet one of them would’ve done it.

[@pwnmeisterage]

Meanwhile, somewhere belowdecks, Ensign Suder violently disagrees.

[@ParodyKnaveBob]

@@pwnmeisterage Isn't Mr. Suder about 3 years dead at this point?

[@SirCraigius]

"Naomi Wildman to the bridge" "Yes ma'am?" "I need you to be a good Captain's Assistant and prep a shuttle so I can go kill myself. And lay in a course!" "Yes ma'am!" :D Rest of the crew: "Fuuuuuuuuuk!" :|

[@Operations1000]

@@SirCraigius XD

[@zekkampung2235]

I think the crews operating the consoles have been forewarned by Chakotay - shut up and listen..DO NOT INTERFERE - just do your work.LOL

[@-M0LE]

Voyager was family not just the crew in the show but the cast too I always feel real emotion from the acting this is just one reason no other trek can come close for me

[@xPadge112x]

2:11 always made me laugh how she kinda draw emphasis to the black man on the bridge. It could of been a sweeping glance to the crew but Kate made a choice...and lingered on it 😂

[@bgphantom3]

xPadge112x Tuvok is her closest friend and he’d also just called her out for trying to let her guilt dictate her actions. I never assumed it was a race thing.

[@maxsteel4950]

She's prolly thinking "who the fuck let you on my ship??"

[@suburbantimewaster9620]

Love seeing how loyal they are to Janeway and how, like every other Star Trek crew, the Voyager crew has become a family.

[@josephmassaro]

They may not, but I certainly do. If we take Janeway as the captain and not a character written by a team of writers, there were several opportunities where she could have brought her crew home, but her inflexibility and adherence to regulations(a clear plot device to body block any premature ending)repeatedly prevented her from taking her crew home. Her adherence to them and an unwillingness to compromise when a clear path home lay ahead demonstrates that holding her ideals was ahead of her crew's welfare. The closest Starfleet comparison is Sisko, when he compromised his own integrity to bring the Romulans into the Dominion War in an effort to bring an end to the Dominion and the thousands of Starfleet officers that were dying. To Sisko, the lives of his fellow Starfleet officers were more important than his integrity or his conscience. Something he still struggled with at the end of the episode.

[@thehantavirus]

i believe some of them later blame it.

[@josephmassaro]

AngemonRulez+ The problem I have is a track record of sidelining her crew getting home because of her inability to compromise her position. This is a character flaw (obviously designed by the writers) and not a one off error in judgement.

[@Cleric775]

Yes, any typical normal natural person would stride all the means to come back home safely as quickly as possible than to endure the risk of losing life and limb of him or herself and the others. I think any sane man or woman would try and skip seven years of Hell and come back safely in one piece.

[@brianpadraig]

it wasn't just arbitrary regulations she followed, it was the ones that were based on core federation values... that's exactly her strength as a character. she did bend the rules when she could without compromising the core values of starfleet and the federation, her foil is the captain of the equinox who wanted to get home at any cost--unacceptable for a starfleet officer. the top priority of any starfleet captain is NOT the safety of their crew, it's upholding the principles of the federation even if it comes at the cost of one's own life and one's crew's life if necessary, and that is what every starfleet officer on the ship signed up for (and the maquis when they agreed to take on field commissions under janeway). some of the situations were written with some plot holes, but if you fix the plot holes to what the writers were intending to say, any captain from Kirk to Picard to Sisko would have also kept their crew stranded for the exact same principled reason. sisko was pushed to what he did because of much higher stakes. if sisko had done all that pale moonlight stuff just to save his own crew, it would have been monstrous. to save millions or billions from death, probably trillions or more from dominion servitude, that's why it was worth it.

[@josephmassaro]

brianpadraig+ I don't buy that. Lets take an example. Q approached Janeway with a desire to mate with her for procreation. Among the things he offered her was sending her and the crew home. While tempted, she declined. Her personal integrity was more important than her crew. Debasing and humiliating herself was not something she was willing to do. However, she is willing to sacrifice her life in the scenario in the above video to get her crew home. It's so much more heroic and noble than debasing oneself. As far as Sisko, my response is a quote from Picard: "How many people does it take before it becomes wrong, Admiral? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?" This was his response when a Starfleet admiral wanted to forcibly remove 600 people from their home. Your argument is mirror of that logic where there is a fixed number you arrive at where compromising your principles becomes acceptable. Compromising Federation principles to save 600 lives is not acceptable, but compromising those principles to save a million is. That's a numbers game. To put it in a more humorous context. There is an old joke: A:"Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" B:"Yes" A:"Would you sleep with me for $10?" B:"What kind of person do you think I am?" A:"We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price."

[@zeriul09]

'chance is irrelevant, we will succeed' row row fight the powah

[@kalijasin]

Best first officer in all of star fleet. 😁

[@skynetprime82]

Janeway looked at chakotay and his face was like don't even think about it katherine 😂

[@PieFights]

I met Garret Wang a couple years ago at the Niagara Falls Comic con really funny guy and man the stories he told of Voyager made us laugh for hours

[@scotthamp384]

Seven: "I will not comply" That's a typical Borg answer

[@droneographytv8848]

This was my favourite series at the time. But the writers did not express any desperation of being stranding and alone. They looked too comfortable. You would think they are in the alpha quadrant.

[@zitronentee]

I think it's still logical that the USS is filled with logical crews who always try to find solution and put their emotion aside. It's probably idealistic view, but every astronauts has to be resourceful.

[@Nightowl427272]

The way Janeway glares at Tuvoc when she says, “…for mutiny” always gets me. It’s like she’s saying, “Et tu Brute?” It always gets me…😅

[@r0bw00d]

There's the right way, the wrong way, -and the Janeway-

[@51stcenturygirl]

You win the internet for this comment! 😄

[@sephservant]

This takes the whole "needs of the many" concept and turns it on its head, and it's beautiful.😢

[@nashshaffer6235]

I will not Comply...My Ex-wife told me the same thing

[@jeremysears4263]

😂

[@Meton2526]

Is that why you're a widower now?

[@TheBashfulTurnip]

You must have heard that line every night

[@jonathanpardoe8722]

I can only hope that major elements of Voyager will accompany Picard on his new mission .

[@joshuas.169]

Antimatter waste isn't going to weaken anything. First of all, when antimatter contacts matter, it annihilates both itself, and the matter it comes into contact with. Second, because of the first thing, the antimatter would NEVER touch the hull. Antimatter is stored inside of magnetic bottles. If there was a leak, the Malon ship's hull would be destroyed, not simply weakened.

[@geneticist8887]

Joshua S. Well then I guess antimatter waste is not antimatter, just some byproduct of it

[@ryanalving3785]

Joshua S. Presumably, as with nuclear waste, the waste of an antimatter reactor is not antimatter (as the waste of a nuclear reactor is not uranium) and is able to be stored in such a way that it might cause the hull to weaken

[@Psi105]

Or, the waste is antimatter, but a radioactive antimatter element spewing out large amounts of radioactive particles.

[@solarisone1082]

The main byproduct of antimatter annihilation is high-frequency gamma rays. There is no known substance which can withstand extended exposure to that. And no magnetic containment is perfect. Because of a little thing called quantum tunneling, there are going to be antiparticles which escape confinement and come in contact with the surrounding material. Long-term storage of antimatter is a losing proposition. Because physics.

[@quinn3109]

Well we dont jave antimatter sonwho knows