Captain Picard and Lt. Commander Data In Stellar Cartography

Star Trek Generations

[@Peter-dk2ov]

Brent Spiner, one of the greatest character actors of our generation

[@normanleach5427]

...and the next generation.

[@osamashatat]

He was on Night Court too

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

@@normanleach5427 I see what you did there.

[@osamashatat]

bill gates He played some country bumpkin in the later seasons

[@georgedarkrender388]

Homer, you're America's Dad.

[@Beateau]

From now on, when my emotions get too much, a little Picard voice is going to pop into my head and yell "You will not be deactivated! You are an officer aboard this ship, and I require you to perform your duty!"

[@GrandMoffJoseph]

This scene hits like a sledge hammer, even all these years later.

[@IndomitableT]

GMJ. “Sometimes it takes courage to try ...”🥺

[@emcats84]

Not really. In the tv show these two were not even close.

[@moe47988]

@@emcats84 Ahh but you forget all those scenes with Picard and Data in the holodeck, when Data was practicing his Shakespearean acting

[@AlanCanon2222]

I remember being blown away by this scene when I saw it in the theater. The "stellar cartography" effect was like a film within a film. More sensible than the normal Treknobabble. Watching it later in life, it's the father/son relationship of Picard and Data that packs the punch. The set is also a lot like Professor Xavier's later big spherical mind probing thingy in X-Men, as well.

[@batdog2183]

You mean cerebro?

[@AlanCanon2222]

@@batdog2183 Yes, that spherical mind probing thingy.

[@83nuvola]

@@AlanCanon2222 Your way to call it made me think about "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff" :D

[@DoctorProph3t]

Was probably the same greenscreen room lol

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

Halo had a cartography room too. 😎

[@samsonguy10k]

Love that face turn Data makes as Picard orders him to do his duty, almost like a slap to the face. Data needed a reminder of his duty to get his attitude in check. He would not fail his crew or Starfleet.

[@phiutubeful]

samsonguy10k but again, he’s never been scared before, he’s distracted and feels like he’s letting his friends down...

[@samsonguy10k]

@JRPGFan20000 Exactly. Because he now had a grasp of the emotion part of it, as well. He knew Picard was a fantastic leader already, but he didn't feel that swell in the heart feeling before. Now he did.

[@SeansModelBuilds]

@@phiutubeful Unless you are in power and can pass it off as discipline you don't get to express negative emotions.

[@Solkre82]

When people realize they cannot escape the situation that makes them uncomfortable, they figure out how to cope.

[@raideurng2508]

Sometimes you need to remind people you have a job to do that means people's lives. Your personal issues can take a backseat while we do our job and do it right.

[@jamesaltonfilms]

I just realized this is a gentle lesson in suicide prevention...

[@brettcherry3481]

The saving grace that Picard used in this scene, to pull Data around, was the call to duty. I'd like to know what you think are a duty or two of someone who wants themselves dead to stay living?

[@O1OO1O1]

@@brettcherry3481 there's no right answer, but usually it's about keeping them safe for now, whatever that means.

[@vergiliusbrutus7535]

@@brettcherry3481 Finding something bigger than themselves is a very good strategy for someone suicidal. It depends on the reason for their will to die (less effective in psychotic or paranoid patients, but works well with general depression). It can be anything from finishing a painting to walking a dog to seeing your children one last time. It's not a way to get better, but to say "you have to do this one thing that's more important than your suffering, and then you can die" - but most often once that one thing is done there is another, and another, and with some help and some luck the patient can recover from their will to die.

[@AzguardMike]

and then Nemesis hits and he unalives himself anyway. Data became fully sentient and then was like "oh fuck this, kill me now!"

[@angryretailbanker5103]

@@AzguardMikeThat's....not exactly what happened. Or even close to what happened.

[@AkaiAzul]

Picard is the best surrogate father any man or android could hope for.

[@1krani]

Any... "Mandroid"?

[@animateddepression]

@@1krani Peopledroid.

[@1krani]

@@animateddepression I thought that was just a droid.

[@pseudopulk3478]

Picard is a strong male character

[@JohnS-il1dr]

Not anymore. They killed him like they did Luke, John Connor, James Bond, He Man,

[@davecrupel2817]

"Sir I no longer _want these emotions!"_ :( anybody with hard anxiety can relate to that.

[@kuribo1]

Sitting in the theater and having the stellar cartography screens sweeping around like that made me feel like the seats were shifting. It was honestly a really cool scene and one of the most memorable that sticks with me about this film. And the Mr. Tricorder and ohhh shit scene...ohhh and the little life forms.

[@Alamandorious]

Oddly enough, I like the last Warp-out by the Enterprise...it was a good shot for what would be her last time doing it.

[@kilroy987]

The shockwave hitting the station was awesome, too.

[@ZantherStone]

I absolutely relate

[@animateddepression]

and Geordi being the only Engineer that doesn't go to Engineering? Picard probably has a little spray bottle he uses on Geordi everytime he turbolifts to the bridge. "Geordi, we talked about this." *spray spray* No! Bad Engineer! Go back to Engineering ! *spray spray* No! Noooo!

[@Supersquigi]

Glad you're being honest with us

[@firebird6522]

As someone who once suffered from anxiety, I'd say Picard handled this situation with Data and his emotions damn near perfectly. Firm, but empathetic. The only scene I ever saw in a movie where it was handled better was in 1957's Enemy Below, where the German sub commander brilliantly handles a tense situation where a nervous crewman is about to lose it as the sub is being depth charged (definitely a situation that would make anyone anxious).

[@IrishCarney]

The thing to remember about combat, too, is that it's a young man's game. In war movies the men are always way too old. U boat captains were in their 20s.

[@mikecranapple8878]

I agree about Picard handling Data almost perfectly. I wish Picard had placed a comforting hand on Data's shoulder at that point. Then it would have been perfect as Data would have felt that with his new emotion chip.

[@victorfinberg8595]

@@mikecranapple8878 I agree. I was looking for that as well, but after all, the producers don't necessarily think of everything.

[@pyorre2441]

@@mikecranapple8878 I personally think it's fine as it is. You have to remember Picard is a kind of officer and a person that would keep a certain distance even when encouraging a person like what is happening here. I am struggling to remember a scene in the series where Picard touched one of his crew members in a conversation.

[@silverkitty2503]

but its also his calm demeanor

[@Da40kOrks]

Alternative script: "The Veridian system is uninhabited" "OK then, no reason to risk anyone to stop him." Roll credits.

[@Italian69Boi]

@Reunite The British Empire he knows, its says alternative script lol

[@johnpalacios9392]

M Class planets support life . That is a resource no species in the universe would let be destroyed Willy, and or Nilly.

[@redpillfreedom6692]

This was a pretty advanced effect for it's time. Still looks good now.

[@itchyisvegeta]

Klingon Commander Kruge: "Genesis... the most destructive force ever created..." Soran: "Hold my Romulan Ale"

[@itchyisvegeta]

@JRPGFan20000 True, but people dont live in nebulas.

[@PhilipKerry]

@@itchyisvegeta People may not but some sort of life form may .....

[@itchyisvegeta]

@@PhilipKerry Well Klingons did declare war on Tribbles...

[@tommywood2135]

Omega: watch this

[@animateddepression]

@JRPGFan20000 but it got Spock laid so... worth it?

[@aciarduce]

That final shot of the Enterprise-D warping to its destiny.

[@DarkNova50]

That ship saved entire civilizations over the course of its career, and it saved an entire planet of people on its final mission. That's a better sending off than the Odyssey got.

[@aciarduce]

@@DarkNova50 You talking about the F? If so technically it was rebuilt into a Yorktown-Class Odyssey refit.

[@AaronWarby]

@@aciarduce I think he meant the Galaxy Class ship destroyed in the dominion war.

[@DarkNova50]

@@AaronWarby Indeed I did. And even they got a better final moment than the Yamato.

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

The Enterprise-D got punked by a TOS-era D7 because the engineer forgot to turn off the wifi on his goggles. It's like the USS Nimitz being sunk by the Merrimack because someone spilled coffee on the electrical panel.

[@caintheconfused]

I swear, this set for stellar catrography gives me vibes of every movie rendition of the X-Men's Cerebro to date. Which, considering who's in the room, makes sense tbh

[@AlanCanon2222]

Yes, watching it now I was reminded of the exact same thing.

[@OfLegendBorn]

@@blawson3603 "Voyager had made it home by the time this movie was released." No it didn't. Voyager hadn't even started when this movie was released. This movie came out in 1994, and Voyager first aired in 1995 and ran through 2001.

[@romangeneral23]

@@blawson3603 Wrong !!!!

[@webproductions28]

100%. Watched both as a kid and always thought the same

[@kirbystarnino4199]

3:07 Picard is sternly talking and it might seem harsh but you can see Datas android behavior take over the emotion chip. Like "Oh snap, I'm being spoken to by an authority figure. System reboot."

[@83nuvola]

That also happens to humans

[@JediNg135]

What's great about it is that Picard himself doesn't raise his voice or react with anger. it's only after data repeatedly wants to give up that he gives him a very brief stern talking to, and afterwards, Picard doesn't hold any form of contempt toward data for having snapped in this way

[@83nuvola]

@@JediNg135 Command can be a burden, or an art. In both cases Picard is great at it.

[@valentusdolor3742]

The funny thing is that Picard has no real means to enforce this authority against this superior technological being if Data would have continued to refuse...what could he threaten him with anyway, deactivation?

[@83nuvola]

@@valentusdolor3742 Picard's authority is not based on threat, nor enforced by it. He never gives orders implying that "otherwise you'll feel my wrath". After all, he's not a Romulan! :D So maybe yes, he could deactivate Data, or contain him in a force field or in the brig. And i think more about forced containment, not as a punishment but to force him to become more reasonable. Certainly not deactivating him, since that is Data's first wish, as an escape from the situation. If Picard agrees to deactivate Data, he enforces the reaction of escaping from fear. And now Data is not anymore fearful for danger: he is afraid of fear itself. So i guess that would be the very last resource Picard would use. Or he could do something else, and surprise us... after all, he's very resourceful.

[@itzzzsss]

Data exhibiting an acute sense of depression. Lack of attention, temporarily preoccupied by ones thoughts, wishes to shutdown

[@animateddepression]

So I have an emotion chip every second I spend at work?

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

EVEN the emotions that Capt. Picard was going thru with his nephews and brother deaths, Picard was able to hold it together, at least publicly ..... Privately seeing him weep in front of Troi, brought a tear or two (2) to my eyes, as I was in the service and I had to put my dog down...just six (6) hours before I was returning to sea. It was tough, Very Tough in fact, had the same 'chewing out' as Cmdr Data.

[@citizenkaneVII]

Can we appreciate the cgi model of the Enterprise in this scene? For the longest time, I thought it was a physical model shot.

[@stu1701E]

The big screen treatment of the D was marvellous here. As was the attention to detail in the stellar cartography LCARS.

[@cubdukat]

By going to CGI for the warp scene, ILM was able to fix one of the problems that had been nagging them ever since they did their work for TNG. Whenever the Enterprise went to warp, all of the ship's lighting cut off. ILM said they had to do that when filming the shot otherwise the lighting would streak.

[@crazylarryjr]

I love how when picard talked about emotions and dealing with them, he included courage. A lot of people might disagree, but I agree with Picard Courage is the emotion that counters fear. Courage is facing your fear, yet continuing with whatever task or mission you are doing. This is a powerful scene

[@MaxMckayful]

I only partly agree. Sometimes we don't so much "overcome" fear as push through. And that push through can lead to long-term trauma or harm. Calling that experience "courage" can minimize the outright harm of it. Lots of nuance to unpack.

[@crazylarryjr]

@@MaxMckayful, It still takes courage to push through. You can still fear it later afterwards, but courage is facing it and dealing with it

[@redcrow4533]

And yet Courage is not the absence of fear.

[@THall-vi8cp]

@Redcrow That's something I'm teaching my son. His school materials state that someone brave is not afraid. I know that to be false. Courage and bravery don't mean not being afraid. They mean having the will to carry on despite being afraid.

[@redcrow4533]

@@THall-vi8cp exactly

[@XavierBetoN]

I can't respect enough the amount of science, orbital mechanics level or the acting of Sir Steward and Spinner. Priceless. Wish all the sci-fi movies adopted this level of scientific knowledge.

[@robot_devils_advocate]

I can't believe the Bozeman is still chugging along AND was part of the anti-Borg taskforce in First Contact. Why, they went through TWO whole Enterprises in that time... Those old ships were built to last.

[@rammigraterammigrate3533]

Wasn't the bozeman the ship that was caught in a temporal rift in that tng episode? I forget the episode name but it repeatedly collided with enterprise

[@bockner123]

@@rammigraterammigrate3533 Cause and effect

[@acarrillo8277]

The Bozeman's registration is NCC-1941 she was commissioned before the Enterprise A. She got stuck in 2278, a full seven years before the Wrath of Kahn.

[@justanotherasian4395]

I’m assuming she went through INTENSE retrofits, similar to Miranda classes

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It might not have been the same ship? There could've easily have been other replacement Federation vessels subsequently bearing the Bozeman name. Like the Enterprise-C reappearing , we had two Enterprises.

[@Brian6587]

Definitely underrated Star Trek movie. One of the first Star Trek movies I remember getting on VHS when I was little. "You will not be deactivated! You're an officer on board this ship and I require you to perform your duty! That is an order, Commander!!" One of the few lines thst always pops into my head when I think of this movie. I love the music in this movie too.

[@danieldickson8591]

IMO the movie did a number of things wrong, but a number of things right. The ratio just wasn't as high on the right side as for other ST movies.

[@stanmoroncini8825]

Picard always the great leader, empathic, compassionate, willing to listen and offer advice but being firm when the time comes, thereby inspiring confidence in his crew members.

[@malikhedir5586]

I love this movie, the story and the soundtrack is very emotional 👍👍

[@YD-uq5fi]

This is one of the rare times Star Trek actually got deep into astronomy. It was great!

[@seanspear6224]

Picard/data relationship is like father and son I love this duo in Star Trek.

[@DT-hp8de]

Spiner/Stewart scenes are always epic! :)

[@rebeccaalonso8264]

Yes I agree!!! They work well together

[@Scipio488]

:-) you may want to try watching TNG Season One again.

[@Ferny1415]

I wish the new series will be as eloquent like this scene.

[@Alamandorious]

It's not going to be. This was more like normal TNG...Picard is shaping up to be more 'modern', meaning shallow with lots of pew-pew. Like Discovery.

[@HappyLarry.]

@@Alamandorious Well I mean I don't think it's meant to be like a proper Star Trek series, but I hope it's more akin to Firefly in that it still focuses on story and the characters of the ship. Discovery is the worst Star Trek series ever made, and I would assume that the producers know that from fan reaction, so the return to Picard at least seems to be an acknowledgement of their dislike. Whether they actually decide to put effort into the series or rely solely on nostalgia remains to be seen.

[@thec4fourhundred520]

Hog shit can't be eloquent.

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

Orville is too PC millennial minority propaganda push.

[@stanleysdad]

Mikey McMikeFace what do people like you get out of watching old Star Trek? I’m genuinely curious

[@ChairmanMeow1]

brent spiner is a damn good actor

[@brontewcat]

Isn’t he just

[@rebeccaalonso8264]

I agree he is the best. Love him. He was Dr.Okun in Independence Day

[@animateddepression]

I wish he'd done more film/tv work. Other than Quantum Enterprise and that sack of rancid dogshit Independence Day.

[@jamesbracy2368]

“set a course for the Veridian system, maximum warp” The Enterprise-D’s last destination.

[@gabegu5102]

James Bracy I wonder did Star Fleet remove all of the Enterprises saucer or was some of it left there. And then when the Veridians become able to travel in their system did they find the crash site. Be a fun story

[@dropkickmurphy4114]

Does anyone remember that Spock placed a Veridian patch on Captain Kirk before beaming onto Chancellor Gordon's skip in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? Are they the same place?

[@shaggycan]

5:42 and the D heads towards it's final destination.

[@Why_vern]

😢 she went before her time....

[@paulprovenzano1093]

If she hadn't, then maybe the far-more warworthy Mighty E wouldn't have been there when she was needed.

[@paulprovenzano1093]

@JRPGFan20000 probably true enough. Unfortunately, Starfleet keeps getting its ass kicked whenever there isn't an Enterprise around, so they probably just give the first of each new line to picard & co.

[@dbilbie]

Such a powerful scene.....great acting!!

[@alainpresillas]

I love this scene. The technology that they are using for this scene is something mindblowing!! Years after it was shown in the cinemas. Am still at awe..

[@AstroComposerKarE]

I really love this scene. Great acting, great writing, great plot development without exposition being stated, perfect pacing, and even wonderful character exploration.

[@xendordawnburst9969]

I forgot how emotional this scene was! No pun intended, seriously!

[@saadqureshi7127]

Wish they had a season from tng with data's emotion chip and him exploring the different types of emotions. He did get the chip in an earlier season but wasn't ready for the affect it can have.

[@domoranzi638]

He wanted to destroy it after he got it back because of what happened to Geordi during the events of the Descent two parter.

[@Armageist]

Soran: "I can't approach the ribbon in a ship because the ship will be destroyed, so I must doom millions of people and alter the course of civilizations and stars!" Me: "Or you could just park your ship out of the flight path and beam yourself in front of the ribbon in a spacesuit" Soran: .....

[@kev3d]

Exactly. That's why I hate this movie (among other reasons). He can't get to the ribbon, so he has to he has to bring the ribbon to him...huh? It's established that one can simply ram one's ship into the ribbon because that's exactly what happened to Kirk. And for all the trouble Soren goes through to get to be "inside joy", as Guinan puts it, the Nexus isn't particularly special. The narcotic pleasure it's supposed to induce wore off Picard after a few minutes, and for Kirk, a few minutes more. In other words, the Nexus is no more effective than the holodeck. What a ripoff!

[@galwitprifor001]

Actually, we don't know if the space suit would malfunction when the Nexus hit him. It's possible he considered the option, but it wasn't feasible. After all, he has had 40ish years to think about it.

[@GodConsciousness]

Picard is the type of captain that, whether as an Ensign or a Commissioned Officer, you just want to make proud.

[@asvarien]

An ensign is a commissioned officer.

[@seboritter]

I love these conversations. I felt like I allways learned something new.

[@kinbolluck476]

WOKE BOZEMAN IS WHY

[@spasjt]

I like how the stellar cartography was a carry over from Voyager. That series, which I liked though I know it was not well liked by many, did introduce some interesting things. It was nice to see that TNG movies took the inventions of other series into account.

[@ulrikcaspersen9145]

You seem to be slightly off regarding ST chronology, I'll give a short overview concerning Generations and Voyager: The USS Enterprise-D was in service 2363 - 2371, when it was destroyed at Veridian III. We only saw its stellar cartography in Generations, in 2371 shortly before the ship was destroyed. The movie was released in 1994. The Intrepid class starships was launched from 2367 onwards, with the USS Voyager launched in 2371. The first time we saw the Voyager astrometrics lab was in 2374 (VOY: Year of Hell, first aired 1997). When the Voyager was retired from service, I don't know, but at the earliest in 2378 when she returned from the Delta Quadrant (VOY: Endgame) Exactly when the Enterprise-D got the stellar cartography I don't know, maybe it was part of the ship when it was launched but not used in the series; maybe it was part of an upgrade at a later point, perhaps after the events of "all good things" (the TNG finale) which is in 2370 but before Generations in 2371 along with the new bridge layout in a refit. Also, I don't know whether or not an astrometrics lab was a standard feature of the Intrepid class or present when the Voyager was launched (the same year as Generations), and merely unseen before 2374 (and in this case, updated or upgraded by Seven of Nine) or built from scratch at this time, when it was seen the first time in the series

[@spasjt]

@@ulrikcaspersen9145 Interesting. So given the release dates of the film Generations, it was actually Enterprise that gave the Voyager writers the idea for a kind of "stellar cartography."

[@ulrikcaspersen9145]

@@spasjt Precisely, though the Voyager version had some notable differences, especially the size of the viewscreen and the main console not being in the middle of the screen but rather at the edge of a platform. But regarding the size, it's worth noticing how the Enterprise is nearly twize as large as the Voyager. But yeah, it seems very clear that the Voyager writers drew inspiration from previous shows and movies, but given the length of the Voyagers way home, it's not surprising; nor that in First Contact, the Enterprise-E sickbay was that of the Voyager with slightly different lights and a few other minor details changed. And this seems very logical, given the fact that the Intrepid class (and therefor, Voyager) and the Sovereign class (and therefor, Enterprise) were in-universe developed and built almost at the same time, so using the same or very similar sickbay (and other locations) on both classes. And continuing on that note, it seems quite likely, to me, that other classes where we don't see the interiors shares several designs regarding decklayouts and other stuff.

[@tekoa.9450]

Aaaah.... The powerful effect of a direct order! Who the hell came up with that concept in the military deserves a 🏅.

[@TMouse-hd5jb]

I was working at a planetarium at the time this movie was released. A friend of mine said to me during this part of the movie, "I bet you wish you had this kind of star projector?". I wanted to say out loud but did not, "You bet your arse I do!"

[@Janos9311]

and now there is space engine. time flies!

[@qelapafu]

Hundred of years in the future and Professor-X still uses Cerebro

[@pjabrony8280]

"What would happen to the ribbon's course if he destroyed the Veridian star itself?" Well, that would depend on *when* he destroyed it.

[@Amcor09]

Good point.

[@MegaTaylor12345]

Data: Captain before we begin this room is incredible I look forward to seeing it more in future movies and tv series Picard: Actually Data we’re going to use it once and barely mention it or reference it again

[@animateddepression]

but VGR is going to rip off our concept but it's going to involve a LOT less CGI. And more catsuit borg girls. And an actor that was going to be fired but People decided he was a sex symbol somehow....

[@Gencoil]

"But don't worry, Data, they'll repurpose this set for the X-Men movies in a few years. Q told me about it".

[@lima6638]

The music of this film was amazing.. the low tones play the feelings behind their thoughts as they interpret Soren's plan.

[@theQuestion626]

What I found most fascinating about this scene as a child was that we are watching what children go through: The difficult process of emotions and understanding why they feel those emotions. Remorse and guilt and fear hell even adults find themselves frozen in place when dealing with such emotions. Data does not have the same coping mechanisms as Captain Picard whom himself has lived a life bereft with regret and remorse not even counting Wolf 359.

[@skadoink1736]

God I love good acting......

[@p.j.w7564]

I've always loved this scene! One of my aii time favorites 👍🏻😎

[@April-dv2pb]

Same here!

[@CaptainMarkReed]

This was the last time the Enterprise-D jumped to warp with her original secondary hull

[@Edzward]

Amazing leader.

[@TheSteveSteele]

The best scene from all of TNG movies, IMO. Loved it.

[@somarriba333]

I kind of like how the uniforms transition from the TNG to the DS9 uniforms throughout the movie. Like maybe the crew has to wear the new uniforms as they report to each shift and not all at once.

[@lwvmobile]

Well, in reality, it has more to do with the designs for the uniforms were thrown out at the last minute due to various issues, I think the materials weren't very good and the uniforms had issues of various sorts, so they had to use the DS9 uniforms at the last minute. Will Frakes/Riker is literally wearing Avery Brooks'/Captain Sisko's uniform.

[@somarriba333]

I kind of like how in the movie, the uniforms transition from the TNG to the DS9 uniforms throughout the movie. Like maybe the crew has to wear the new uniforms as they report to each shift and not all at once.

[@AtlasFox]

@@somarriba333 I imagine they'll have had an end date on the old uniforms. All personnel to be in new uniform by [date]. This movie took place during that transitional period.

[@cafeta]

What a great scene... now compare that to the ""new"" movies!!!

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

This scene was the first time we were shown the Enterprise's stellar cartography room which is pretty awesome especially seeing the image of the Veridian system which sadly will be the scene of the final battle of the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D that like the Constitution Refit Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 died saving a planet from a bunch of renegade Klingons.

[@LtFoodstamp]

Most underrated Star Trek movie

[@Spinker1]

This is so good

[@toysmostwanted]

Really weird seeing them wear the DS9/Voyager uniforms.

[@CaptainGinyu]

they were supposed to have all new uniforms for the movie honestly they should have just stuck with the tng ones

[@batman88ironman]

At least there is continuity in trek. You know the time period. This happens about season 3-4 of Voyager. First contact was the direct result of janeway devastating the Borg. I love how it all fits together.

[@Italian69Boi]

@Alex Jay me too

[@Italian69Boi]

@@batman88ironman first contact happened before borg were on voyager.

[@bgdrewsif]

@@batman88ironman Generations (this film) premiered in theaters November 1994... Star Trek Voyager premiered on TV in the United States in January of 1995, two months later... In fact, this film takes place either during or immediately after the second season of Deep Space Nine, and the film First Contact premiered November/December 1996.. at the end of DS9's fourth season and then DS9 got the new First Contact uniforms a few episodes into its fifth season.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

The most notable scene in this movie after the Enterprise going down. Data showing emotions, and Picard finding a balanced way to handle it. And the gorgeous set and rendering for stellar cartography. Adding in the tension of 280 million lives were at risk from a single man's obsession.

[@Trakker1985]

Man, the species on viridian 4 are lucky AF, (asides from being saved in this movie) when they get to space travel, they have another completely habitable planet (that is uninhabited) in their system right next to them

[@sparrowlt]

Unless they are not suited for that enviroment....

[@Egobyte83]

I could be mistaken, but if I am not, then this movie is the only time we see Picard in the reverse pallette color of the Voyager pattern uniform. I believe in the TNG-series they always had the "color torso/black shoulders"-pattern for the crew of the Enterprise.. and in First Contact, the next movie after Generations, they had already skipped to wearing the grey uniform.

[@FlameG102]

>Bozeman Nice to see it was still retained in service after it's temporal mishap. I mean i suppose they'd have no reason not to. It was 70 years old chronologically, but practically, due to time skipping, was still plenty usable, if outdated

[@Italian69Boi]

It could have been a different one. There were many enterprises

[@alc4937]

If you listen to the dialogue in First Contact during the start of the battle of Sector 001, the Bozeman is ordered to fall back. The voice that acknowledges sounds awfully like Kesley Grammer, who played the Bozeman’s captain.

[@thomaszinser8714]

I mean, hell, Bozeman was a variant on the Miranda design, and we know that was a tough, tested design that lasted a long time even with the normal aging of materials. A 'brand-new' Miranda, relatively speaking, would absolutely still have a place in the fleet.

[@jamesford5504]

Love the mention of the uss bozeman in this scene, its a call back to an episode in tng.

[@Keytaster]

Wow, I keep forgeting that Soran was willing to murder 280 MILLION people to achieve his reckless infatuation with the Nexus.

[@karlpurvis5242]

230 million

[@1krani]

@@karlpurvis5242 Do the digits really matter when the murder count ends in "million"?

[@Italian69Boi]

Picard tries to remind Soran of what the borg did to his world and how this would be the same. It almost made him change his mind

[@CadillacDriver]

@@1krani yes. Very much.

[@1krani]

@@CadillacDriver Why? How is murdering 230 million different from murdering 280 million? Either way, that's several countries' worth of population wiped out.

[@ulrikcaspersen9145]

Definitely some cool tech, and even in 2021 quite nice animations. One thing to note though: In the special features on the disc with Generations, it is mentioned that something like this wouldn't be feasible in real life, quite simply because the universe continues to expand (albeit slowly) and both planets and stars move in orbits; so making a map like this would require constant updates to keep it current.

[@gothik33]

Something always bugged me: ships can't get close to the ribbon in the sense they *can't approach it* without suffering severe damage or even destruction but if you simply put yourself in a capsule dead in space in the way of the ribbon, wouldn't you be able to enter the ribbon then as you are technically not approaching it but rather letting yourself be approached by it ? I'm sure if Soran asked one of his klingon friends to simply put him in a life pod in the way of the ribbon, they'd probably question his sanity and charge him extra for that pod he just took for his crazy adventure.

[@johnsteiner3417]

You silly people with your logic and common sense.

[@Beateau]

What's always bothered me about this movie, is that from the frame of reference of the Ribbon, *everything* in front of the Ribbon is moving towards it.

[@alexanderwinn9407]

It’s a matter of risk. Obviously you CAN fly into it with a ship, that’s how Kirk got in. But you MIGHT be blown to hell by the lightning discharges surrounding it in the process. Soran wanted a more guaranteed outcome, so a ship (or a capsule) was out of the question.

[@scorchx3000]

The nostalgia critic raised that point, and said he should just steal a shuttle and fly in. If it explodes, meh. Hes inside the nexus.

[@n37trondanc3]

I really loved the top heavy perportion of the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE-D

[@macklee6837]

"You're an officer on board this ship, and I require you to perform your duty"

[@procta2343]

Patrick said that brent was terrified been up a height in this scene

[@ameliapond1916]

I've read about that too. I can't say that I blame him!

[@matty35]

Awesome scene, data played it so well & God took care of the rest.

[@Daehawk]

Beautifully acted.

[@KazumaPrime]

5:31 Enterprise D's last warp until 2401

[@slimdudeDJC]

Goes to show how strong emotions' effects really are, even in synthetic beings. Both just simply do not operate optimally at the same time. God, if our lawmakers and executive officials would understand this concept.

[@jamescampion7880]

Even with all the technology around, it's still the human emotional tugs that are the best special effect.

[@matthew4031]

Such a great scene

[@Jayfive276]

Picard tough love is Best tough love.

[@rebeccaalonso8264]

I agree

[@psteinb2000]

I think this is my favourite Star Trek scene

[@brofenix]

Well, dang, Data seemed like he handled those emotions pretty well after a talk with Picard. A little too well, too suddenly imo.

[@SSPerfectChaosRCT]

You ever been smacked in the gut and told to just fucking deal? If so, did you keep whining and carrying on or did you do your best to cover up and move on?

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@Sparka Microprofessor

[@SeansModelBuilds]

@@SSPerfectChaosRCT And Picard got that with Lilly in the next movie.

[@shaggyalonso]

I disagree, when presented with a threat or significant event like this, fight or flight kicks in - he'd been in a state of flight until then when Picard triggered him into more of a fighting psychological posture. Yes it would be unrealistic to think he could 'snap out of it' indefinitely, but in emergencies - unless in the case of complete mental breaks e.g. psychosis, schizophrenia, shellshock etc - the mind can put aside feelings enough to perform a task. Imagine someone burst into the room and started shooting at him, do you think his grief and remorse would prevent him from acting in self preservation? It's like that.

[@SeansModelBuilds]

@@shaggyalonso Soren attacked Geordi, and Data did not respond because he was frozen by fear?

[@TheJoeSwanon]

Wow they have a pretty good looking planetarium!

[@elizabethboulter7578]

This is a great scene.

[@themusicman8029]

beautiful acting, tomorrow it is on

[@madmax6487]

When I 1st heard about IMAX cinemas this is what I envisioned what the screen would be like. 😂

[@realheadhunters-gtav]

I WISH TO BE DEACTIVATED, SIR!

[@andrewstill9042]

Don't feel bad with your emotions, Data. Concentrate on what you have to do now to make up for your mistakes, for redemption.

[@DavetheRave4eva]

Welcome professor.

[@Chief_5]

Patrick Stewart awesome actor!

[@outdoorsguy]

Computer corrects course change for the Ribbon when the Veridian star gets destroyed, but doesn't correct the orbital course change for the planet, or non-orbital course since there is no longer a star to orbit.

[@Aoderic]

Anyway if Soran had the power to blow up a star, it would be far simpler for him, to just push the planet into the trajectory of the ribbon, no reason to destroy the whole solar system.

[@Corestimah]

@@Aoderic Soran cheated. Shooting a probe made of a BS made up substance (i.e. Trilithium) that doesn't play nice with stellar fusion is a LOT simpler and easier than getting together the infrastructure to, for example, build a planetary scale Inertial Dampener and Thruster (plus the power plant to run both).

[@Aoderic]

@@Corestimah Well if you cheat, anything is easier.

[@CaptainTr1pps]

@@Aoderic in what universe would it be simpler to move a planet than destroy a star? It might have been simpler to move an asteroid, but even that might have been too small to survive. The planets mass is what protects it from destruction in the ribbon. Not do much from the stars collapse.

[@Aoderic]

@@CaptainTr1pps In this universe.

[@busywl69]

A lot of NG put me to sleep but the moments when Picard was large and in charge are great. "Picard to Bridge" with such authority. WHich of course makes me wish the PICARD show was done when he was younger.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

Data spent his entire life aspiring to emotions, Picard isn’t going to let him throw that away.

[@Jonzouz123]

I like how 200 million is enough for the writers. Why do writers think saving earth and now the universe is the only way to pull an audience into the script? Outbreak risked planetary destruction but it was the town ultimately that created the nail biter.

[@jdotoz]

High stakes are often counterproductive. The Independence Day sequel showed what was probably millions of people dying but it really didn't make me care about any of them. The same day I watched "Eye in the Sky" and it kept me on edge the whole time about whether a single person was going to die.

[@1krani]

The kill count wasn't a way to up the stakes, but a way to compel the main characters to act. The stakes come from the fact Picard and later Kirk are in peril.

[@Italian69Boi]

exactly 💯

[@howardX81]

Command, demand and respect all in one scene! This is why I am a Trekkie!

[@gtf600]

39.1 years. Borg ships maintain a 39.1 degree temperature

[@dropkickmurphy4114]

Whoa!

[@mitche5007]

Cool set😊

[@CrookedHillSound]

Great film. It's difficult to hate on McDowell's character. His motivation is extremely human and desperate. Really interesting plot.

[@MrKevin486]

I haven't seen this in forever, it's weird to see TNG cast with the Voyager age Starfleet uniforms.

[@CaptPike787]

Best series ever.

[@ForestKicks]

I love the way Patrick Stewart says the word "ribbon"

[@yoransom]

Imagine having two M-Cass (whatever the fuck that means) planets in the SOL system....

[@redpillfreedom6692]

M-class meaning it's capable of supporting life.

[@TheVenger10]

Love how it's the uss bozsman again :)