"You Will Not Execute A Member of My Crew, Nor Will I Turn His Brother Over to You!" Picard

Star Trek The Next Generation Season 03 Episode 17 Sins of the Father

[@petestevenson1004]

This is why I love ST TNG so much, as well as DS9 and Voyager - many, many strong, powerfully written moments scattered throughout the series. This one is one of the very best.

[@a1pha_star]

Well said! 💯

[@StewBedazzle]

Yeah and it highlights why new trek is utter shit

[@neptun2810]

ENT was the last strong series. Everything after it was trash.

[@AngelusNielson]

@@StewBedazzle And it also shows that you're old and crusty and don't like change.

[@krouchingtigerr]

Indeed! TNG and DS 9 had some of the most powerful writing in television history. No decisions made to "expediently advance plot," characters stayed true to their nature. Changes that happened were organic, and carefully crafted over long arcs...

[@Bloodshark123]

I love the irony that by accepting dishonor Worf acted with more honor than any of these other Klingons ever have.

[@Kaizer617]

That's why Worf, in many ways, is the truest and most honorable Klingon. He is the template by which all Klingons should conduct themselves.

[@VTX00128]

Indeed but he is on the outside of an Empire that doesn't see the rotting foundation. Worf is a traditionalist to a older code of honor and duty mix with common sense. That is why he accepted the dishonored to do the right thing save his people from civil war.

[@lordisen4668]

I love K’mpec's little nod of approval when Worf strikes Duras. It really shows the true feelings that he's withholding for the sake of the Empire, and how he respects Worf as being the more honorable Klingon, even if he's the one to be officially condemned.

[@Kaizer617]

It's why he also told Worf to leave at first. He didn't want an innocent man to die to protect the son of a traitor. I think it's also why he asked Picard to be the arbiter of succession. I think he knew it was Duras who poisoned him, and wanted Picard to expose him, thus proving he was a dishonorable coward, then allowing Worf to openly challenge the high council and reclaim his family's honor. K'mpec might've done something dishonorable to keep the Empire from falling into civil war, but I like to think he was the only member of the council who had ANY honor to his name. I mean, he knew well enough to make sure Picard, an honorable man, was the one to choose the next leader of the Klingon people. To keep the power of the chancellor from falling into the wrong hands.

[@josephmassaro]

Patrick Stewart: Engaging Shakespeare Mode. Shakespeare mode engaged.

[@jasonpye4649]

Hmm powerful

[@Mandolatron]

5 coffees. Engage.

[@cameronmartin3616]

There is no high or low art just the totality of how well it is done. Don't try to be a great actor. Just be an actor, and let history make its own judgments.

[@bryanx0317]

​@@MandolatronWhat the... you meant 5 Earl Grey's.

[@draexian530]

@@cameronmartin3616 I like Picard's moments of weakness because it contrasts his traditional talents so well. We know him more than capable of performing a soliloquy, but to seem him aghast, panicked, or frightened is when I respect Sir Stewart's efforts.

[@Uridien]

"You are still fat." What I say to myself at every weekly weigh in.

[@leodouskyron5671]

She was not talking about his weight. 😂

[@theapache99]

I still say this all the time

[@darthimperious1594]

The craziest, and most badass, part of this was that Picard was ready to throw away the Klingon-Federation Alliance and go to war in order to save Worf from an unjust death. He would not let greater political concerns cloud his morality. Not this time. That's what Picard taught me, back in the day: Do what is right, even when it's hard, even when it seems like it will shatter your life, do what is right, no matter what.

[@jasonpye4649]

The only qualification I would make to that is "do what is right, _especially_ when it's hard..."

[@attiepollard7847]

Darth. Let's be honest that alliance would have not been thrown away. Starfleet would have got wind of this along with the federation and would have told the card that he needs to give up this inquiry and say nothing about it.

[@jasonpye4649]

@@attiepollard7847 maybe you use the speech to text feature like I do most often. Picard* I've had the same autocorrect BS happen to me.

[@attiepollard7847]

@@jasonpye4649 sorry that was just voice typing that I did. I should have proofread that before I sent it

[@jasonpye4649]

@@attiepollard7847 like I said, I already figured it was. The same thing happens to me sometimes if I don't proof it first.

[@Mality]

Charles Cooper's performance as K'mpec really elevates this scene....his gravelly voice and the.inflections he gives to certain phrases like "You do not understand..." and "Your heart is Klingon" are spot on.. His death scene was similarly great...."there is no cure".

[@mistermonologue2442]

Continued drinking from the poisoned wine as he tells Picard its killing him. Total basass and great acting no doubt.

[@SethimusMaximus]

Channeling his inner Orson Welles.

[@crigeorge9549]

It's not the complete scene. There were some extra lines of him and Duras blackmailing Picard and Worf with the death of his brother. Bu , yes , he is a unique klingon. His statements are memorable especialy the one when he says: he's chalenge was defeated before he ever made it.

[@tred6292]

Ezri said it best in Deep Space Nine. If an Empire that prides Honor over anything else is allowed to accept corruption at the highest levels of its government, then it doesn’t deserve the respect of the warriors who serve it. The Empire, would surely die if left in the hands of the corrupt and the arrogant. Ahhhh, the similarities between fictional and real world governments. Star Trek is truly a mirror into the problems of our own society. Although, it also offers us possible solutions.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

The Klingon solution generally involves bat'leths more than Earth's politics allow. A shame, really...

[@lairddougal3833]

Well that has a nice little coda in what is going on in the US at present.

[@Cha0sCloud]

And what solution is that?

[@shannonrhoads7099]

@@Cha0sCloud Klingon politics are a lot more stabby, literally, and in the front rather than the back. On the plus side, when a Klingon engages in politics, you'll know exactly where they stand.

[@danielhaire6677]

It's why Martok becoming Chancellor was so important. He valued the old ways and values.

[@specialk9424]

I always liked that little smirk of approval from K'Empec, after Work backhands Duras. K'Empec always knew Duras was a shithead, and he wished he could have smacked him once or twice, himself, but politics wouldn't allow it. So, he enjoyed that.

[@0megacron]

Same here - it was the right and proper response to the situation, and K'Empec knew it. The action only further cemented Worf's honor in his eyes.

[@Anthyrion]

Wait... wasn't a backhand chop meant to be a challenge for a duel to the death?

[@Supervillain725]

​@Anthyrion and they had one after Word bitch slapped him

[@kereminde]

@@Anthyrion But by accepting discommodation (sp?), Worf no longer would be allowed to do that challenge. (Except in certain circumstances.)

[@KipdoesStuff]

@@kereminde the circumstance we see in a future episode when he kills Doras for killing his mate.

[@zacharyfett2491]

I never get tired of Worf’s story. I was very happy to see it continued in Deep Space Nine.

[@Alamandorious]

The Klingon civil war episodes were epic. We got to see Worf the Warrior, through and through.

[@Bird-Birdy-Love]

@@AlamandoriousThe Conclusion to it when Ezri just gave him a splash of reality was the final icing to the cake.

[@tbk2010]

They (the writers) did his brother dirty though

[@hansenkho3835]

And probably next Klingon Da'Ha Master after 2nd Battle Of Sector 001

[@jmwoods190]

0:13 Somehow I think Kahlest telling K'mpec that he was still fat actually meant more than face value: she also probably implied that what K'mpec was doing to Worf was in her eyes very unattractive, and therefore K'mpec would never be able to woo her.

[@davidrosenblum2178]

Worf’s pimp hand is strong!

[@jdeanb1]

THAT!!!!

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

And thus, Worf becomes a Trek legend. Plus, 2:43 "The alliance with the Federation could fall to dust." Kudos to Charles Cooper's performance as K'mpec.

[@teletran1175]

That backhanded slap is the perfect insult to Duras. He doesn't even deserve to be hit like a warrior should be.

[@dbfrench6529]

Correct, and perfectly stated.

[@aqacefan]

I maintain that when Toral was abandoned by his sisters (and Gowron answered his claim that the House of Duras would one day rule the Empire "Maybe... but not today") Worf should have told him, "I will say to you what I once said to your father... You are the son of a traitor." And backhanded him just the same. I have also come to realize that by not killing Toral, Worf condemned him to the most ignominious fate a Klingon could ever suffer... to fight no battles, to win no victories... to die of old age.

[@danielmccurdy862]

The Empire REALLY wasn't ready for Worf. Growing up among humans, he had idealized the Empire, and its ways, in his head. It was what he spent his whole life aspiring to. And then to return home and find that it failed to meet the standard, and having been trained by Starfleet to seek only excellence, he was a time bomb to blow up the alliance of lies constructed by the Duras. They couldn't stop him. And for a hot second, he became Chancellor.

[@subcommanderxelios800]

Best of all, he won the chancellorship in honorable combat, no tricks, just good ol’ fashioned Klingon diplomacy.

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

Anyone notice the body language shift in Worf when Picard starts up? From aggression to discipline? Beautiful.

[@szahmad2416]

2:48 - this moment was awesome. First off, it really brought home the fact that rank and file Klingons actually viewed the treaty as something noble and honourable, not just some political calculation or expediency. And second, it conveyed a veiled threat: if Picard were to go public with the Council's betrayal and dishonour, after the Empire dissolved the alliance, rank and file Klingons would rise against the Empire rather than against the Federation.

[@brucechmiel7964]

The alliance was forged by the rank and file on both sides. The Enterprise A opened the door, The Enterprise C shed blood for them and Curzon Dax stood proudly beside them.

[@GrandGoblin]

I love Kem'pec's nod after Worf pimp hand's Duras 4:30

[@cyka7705]

I love how duras finally realized he actually the son of a traitor, look at his face after he slapped by worf

[@hard2getitrightagain314]

The bigger issue is that he accepts the slap. Honor demands a fight to the death right there and then. He cannot provide one because he is a weak, manipulative, conspirator. Worf was just acknowledged to be a true Klingon. Duras is now acknowledged to be a sniveling coward

[@johnweatherman5685]

More I think he realized that even discommended, Worf would be seeking revenge. I dare say he wouldn't have touch Kaylar if he had any idea about the connection to Worf, he would have known he was signing his own death warrent.

[@danieldickson8591]

I believe Duras knew all along that his father conspired with the Romulans. Why else would he have so emphatically opposed Worf's challenge, even to the point of having Kurn attacked? Moreover, Duras himself got Romulan help to try to assassinate Gowron, and probably K'mpec as well. He accepted Worf's slap and lowered his head in shame, because in that room he couldn't hide from the truth any longer.

[@lusti6511]

@@hard2getitrightagain314 You're right. This basically is Duras' problem: He has no honor to defend. So in tradition of his family's values, he chose to be a coward and a political opportunist instead of a Klingon. And Worf showed him, that he can easily overstep those boundaries of the Klingon culture, because he knew what kind of man was in front of him. Basically it boils down to the fact, that even in discommendment, Worf is the better Klingon than Duras. But Duras made the same error as K'mpec. He thought the problem wouldn't come to Qo'noS, and he also thought the problem would leave Qo'noS with Worf, never to come up again. But the fact Worf was accepting the punishment, offering an even worse one, protecting his brother and slapping him, there is enough evidence that Worf will be back someday to take revenge, as a good Klingon will. Me as Duras would have insisted, that Worf has to be killed. Better kill a man than dishonor him. So Duras is in fact a political opportunist, but even in his main field of work, he's a bad one. He maybe understand the political side of the Empire, but he knows knothing about the Klingon soul.

[@leodouskyron5671]

Worf has one of the most powerful and longest arcs of any character in Trek and it really begins here.

[@CharlesUrban]

"Wait. I'm not ready to accept blame for a crime I didn't commit. (Slaps the guilty party.) Okay, now I'm ready."

[@Deridus]

Thing is, Duras deserved the slap because he denied the truth of it. Why he got slapped hardly matters in the face of so much dishonorable conduct.

[@jamespierce6777]

One of my favorite episodes of TNG

[@YDKJ07]

Indeed the scenes with Picard and Worf are legendary. The fact that Worf would be and did allow a lie to remain the truth is so plainly shown. The scene where Picard tries to confront Worf and in return Worf tell his captain, his Cha dich will be silent explains that though on a Federation starship Picard is his superior officer,but under klingon law his Worf second.

[@jacksonheathen2092]

A great two part episode. But not necessarily my favorite. But then again, TNG had a lot of great episodes. So it's hard for my to pick a favorite.

[@CrniWuk]

No lensflare. No killing. No running. No explosions. Just people talking. And yet one of the best moments of Trek.

[@jimslancio]

An earlier episode had Riker serving as first officer of a Klingon ship. This episode started out as a quid pro quo with a Klingon serving on the Enterprise. In what may be the greatest Sudden Plot Twist in the franchise, the Klingon exchange officer turns out to be Worf's brother, apprising him of this plot against their family honor. There follows the greatest of all Klingon-themed episodes. Kudos to Ronald "Battlestar Galactica" Moore, who did many of the best Klingon episodes.

[@szahmad2416]

This scene...and so many like it...made Picard and Worf the embodiment of everything gained by both races from the mutual alliance between the Klingons and the Federation. It's easy to see, looking at the two of them here, what the two races saw in each other worthy of committing an alliance towards, not just a peace treaty or non-aggression pact.

[@morbius109]

K’mpec didn’t like Duras, and you could tell by the nod @ 4:31 when Worf struck him. Had he been able to do so, he’d likely have had him strung up as punishment for his father’s treachery. But, sad as it is to admit for the effect it had on Worf, his priority had to be the preservation of the Empire.

[@christianvalentin5344]

When K’Empec threatened the end of the Federation-Klingon Alliance, Picard should’ve also brought up the fact that his ship’s predecessor was lost coming to the defense of Kithomer.

[@hithere8753]

True.

[@3Rayfire]

Narendra III, but your point stands.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

If he meant the Enterprise-A, it could work. Kirk was trying to prevent another assassination and thus save the path to the Khitomer Accords.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

It's too bad Worf took too long to stand up to even the council until he killed Gowron in Deep Space Nine. It would've saved Ezri a lot of wisdom when she told him, "I think the Empire is dying and I think it deserves to die."

[@jacksonheathen2092]

Good point. But Worf did get his honor (his family name) restored again in the two part TNG episode "Redemption". But he lost it yet again in the two part DS9 episode "The way of the Warrior" (when he refused to join Gowron in the fight against Cardassia). Poor Worf always had a hard time living between two worlds. A complexed & troubled character. 🖖😁

[@AttackerNumberTwo]

No Klingon would ever say that, Picard would never say that and Jadzia would NEVER say it. Ezri doesn’t have a history with Klingons and she’s the only one who could say such a thing and Worf would stop and think on the words and realise she was right.

[@szahmad2416]

Before it died, it deserved a couple chances. Same with the US empire today. And Ezri’s assessment came AFTER this event took place…and subsequent ones as well, from which she likely formed her assessments.

[@nickcarroll8565]

@@szahmad2416 I love my country (US) but damned if your words don’t make sense 😞. Our govt has been rotten for some time.

[@szahmad2416]

@@nickcarroll8565 right now, the US can choose whether to be an empire ruled by a few rich oligarchs, or a democracy. Not both.

[@alexwest2514]

I love the nodding from Kimpec when Worf gives the backhand to Duras

[@chrispeplinski7306]

A wonderful episode

[@AttackerNumberTwo]

The cha’dich will be silent!

[@jacksonheathen2092]

Yep. An acceptable way to tell your captain to shut up. 🖖

[@0biwan7]

wil wheaton should use this as a retort to every "shut up westley"

[@Enkarashaddam]

And many many years later Worf became Chancellor for a couple of seconds

[@szahmad2416]

And even more years later, became an elder shaman, sitting in front of a Koi pond, and occasionally riling up Riker by hitting on Troi (Picard series).

[@NoahSpurrier]

“You are the son of a traitor… I am ready.”

[@luminaire4946]

the backhanded slap....such dishonor to the one getting slapped.

[@ncc1701chris]

Good episode.....sins of the father.

[@MessrDookie101]

Picard as Cha’dich brought my first tears while watching TNG

[@wesmantooth5908]

What were your second tears for? Your third?

[@MessrDookie101]

@@wesmantooth5908 after that I was crying a lot so idk

[@skynetprime82]

Worf should never had agreed to that, the council were a bunch of traitors and should've been torn apart for their lies and deceit, but luckily now that martok is the leader of the empire I've no doubt that he restored worfs name and honor

[@szahmad2416]

In that moment, Worf had little to lose…and I don’t think he realized how deep the rot was. The Klingons were not merely dishonourable at the top ranks, but also many figures like Gowron as well. There was still a belief in him that someone like with strong ideals could redeem the Klingon Empire’s ideals and structure.

[@jayroi1814]

Welcome to every government ever

[@3Rayfire]

Gowron restored his honor after the Civil War. He then took it again when Worf opposed the Klingon-Cardassian War, that preceded the Federation-Klingon War, that were just machinations by the Founders to weaken the Alpha Quadrant powers. Worf was right Gowron was wrong, but Worf's honor was only restored this time when Martok accepted him into the House of Martok.

[@wyldelf2685]

DS9 did Gowron and Worf dirty , Gowron was honorable , , , UNTIL. DS9 Wich also decided to make Worf more antisocial than he ever was , , ,and before any of you start saying how he was married to a non Klingon Jadsia , , let me remind you in TNG episode "Paraells" he comforted alternate Deanna Troi who married a Worf , and told her he was never against the idea of them being a couple but bowed away because he respected Cmdr Riker , , the TNG 2-parter "All Good Things" revisited Worf's passion for Deanna Troi , , , so ultimately DS9 did Klingons Dirty , , ,😢😢

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

Empires on the most part have no honor.

[@jacksonheathen2092]

Good point.

[@szahmad2416]

Once a political entity reaches the status of empire, it usually doesn't; agreed. Then, it becomes about the preservation of the status quo. However, certainly before it grows to the level of empire, there may be many leaders and others with a sense of honour that people in later years want to preserve and emulate.

[@matthewkuchinski1769]

When Picard shows what a real captain and leader does, you know that the Klingon judge looks like a total bully and coward.

[@deliagroer2613]

Most honorable Klingon! I loved Worf!

[@JamStunna]

One of the most amazing aspects of this scene is how Picard and Word shift authority between each other. First is Picard, when he starts talking as a Starfleet captain. He’s giving orders; they will NOT execute Worf. You can see in the scene that Worf literally stands taller, bolstered by his captain’s support. But an instant later Worf takes command when he silences Picard. And the captain accepts this, both because of the cultural reasons and because his officer needs to speak for himself. But Worf STILL maintains his respect for his captain by looking down. When Kurn was his cha’dich he looked him right in the eye and demanded obedience. Here though, he’s more saying “I need to be heard,” but you know, in the Klingon way lol. A wonderfully written scene, wonderfully performed by Patrick Stewart and Michael Dorn.

[@jonathonbartos3061]

This episode provided so much world-building and depth for the Klingons. It showed a culture in which honor is held paramount, but also exposes that they in no way live up to that expectation of honor. The Klingons went from a very one-note race of villains in TOS and its films, to a fascinating culture worthy of more exploration.

[@Nameless.Hermit]

Technically Worf challenged Duras to a battle to the death here, because in DS9 Worf tells Sisko - when they go undercover as Klingons to find the changeling, that an open backhand to the face is an offer of a death match in Klingon culture.

[@dallassukerkin6878]

That makes the expression on Duras's face quite a subtle piece of acting as it showed his cowardice very clearly.

[@3Rayfire]

And Duras accepted it because he knew Worf was right and that Duras was a bitch like his traitor father.

[@wyattmann8157]

When I watched this episode in first run syndication waaay back in the day, they had forgotten to add the "slap" sound effect, so when Worf struck Duras, it was completely silent. 😁

[@jjc4577]

TNG had some extremely well-written episodes. Good writing makes for good TV far more than good CGI

[@StarWarsMoments]

I used to wonder why they didn't ask him to accept discommodation in the first place. Seemed easier all around! Now I realize, they never thought they would meet a Klingon with the balls to do it. To take a false shame and wear it for the sake of an Empire.

[@szahmad2416]

It went against everything a Klingon believed in and pursued, and was yet the embodiment of every value a Klingon upheld. Also, making him accept discommendation in Wood me, and revealing what actually was going on, and who was actually guilty.

[@3Rayfire]

The original plan was just to slander Mogh, thinking that Worf was a soft Federation citizen who wouldn't care and wouldn't even hear about it. Kurn screwed that up by revealing himself and bringing Worf the news. Far from being some soft human raised Klingon Worf formed himself to be the MOST Klingon Klingon. They had already decided to sacrifice the House of Mogh, and Worf showing up didn't change that plan. K'mpec respected Worf for the solution. It allowed him to save his little brother, keep the Empire from a costly civil war, and live to fight another day. It also added extra validation to the cover story they fabricated by having him confirm it. He also sacrificed his honor to save other Klingon's lives. It was a lot and showed who Worf really was.

[@PlasmaCoolantLeak]

J-L at some of his finest in this arc. Worf would go through a wall for his captain, seeing how he defended him.

[@3Rayfire]

"If you were any other man, I would KILL you where you stand.", Even if Picard calls his courage into question, Worf still loves and honors him. Picard was always in his corner.

[@absolutjackal]

NGL, when I saw this my first thought was how some religions won't write the word God out in full but instead use G-d b/c it is considered too sacred to write. So is this saying we are not worthy to write the name of JLP?

[@0076Coyote]

What did Worf's hand say to the son of a traitor's face? SLAP! This was one of the best FU's in TNG

[@ray7419]

Lol!!! “You are still fat.” 🤣

[@TornadoHound]

Now he's just extra pissed.😆

[@sarajavoyugoslavia]

I love how Worf did two things, he doesn't slap Duras until after K'mpec says, "let's never speak of this discussion again," and he sort of turns away before slapping Duras by surprise as if to say, this is what your father did when he betrayed us.

[@sabriam]

"You are still fat, K'mpec." His look of displeasure, followed quickly by averting his eyes in knowing shame. He has always been fat, and he has always been willing to compromise his honor to gain and keep his position. What else could she say?

[@666mengel]

I truly loved old lady use of the knife! Very impressive!!

[@dpcrn]

Oh how I wish we had men like Worf and Picard in charge of our countries around the world.

[@Bird-Birdy-Love]

Honestly this entire plot was one of the defining moments for Worf and all of TNG era trek the path all the way to end of DS9 was fantastic. Worf who most saw as an outcast in klingon society cause he was raised by humans and served starfleet was more klingon that they ever were. When Ezri told him the cold truth i rejoiced in Joy. Cause i was sick and tired of him always getting the boot by them and the rest were hand holding him but no dear old Ezri just told it to him straight and the rest was history so as not to spoil more for new fans

[@Monuments_to_Good_Intentions]

Wow, your channel is the number one video recommending one of my videos. So crazy. I wonder if it is because I made a star trek scrap metal sculpture.

[@April-dv2pb]

That is amazing that you can do that out of metal.

[@robertpolityka8464]

I think it would have been interesting if their conversation was recorded and transmitted directly to the peoples of the Empire, through a live feed.

[@szahmad2416]

More or less what Picard was implicitly threatening when he retorted in the populist tone to K'mpec at 2:48. K'mpec threatening to dissolve the alliance was an empty threat, and Picard was quick to show it.

[@davidjamessheets]

Facebook live hadn't been invented

[@robertpolityka8464]

​@@davidjamessheets Agreed.. but you'd think Picard couldn't have used his com badge as a recording device??

[@Locutus]

Cheers for the subtitles! Did you do them? They seemed perfect!

[@April-dv2pb]

I found a website that had the subtitles for each series. However sometimes it will miss something in the subtitles that I will add.

[@Locutus]

@@April-dv2pb So much dedication, just for clips!

[@April-dv2pb]

@@Locutus it is however I enjoy my channel.

[@DarthVoxyn]

Behold Worf the Legend the Bad Ass. Scenes like this are why I love his character as well as Captain Picard.

[@tazchanday2422]

Amazing,,, just. ,,,,🤧

[@anthonyju6392]

"You admit the truth and yet expect him accept punishment. What does this say about an EMPIRE that holds HONOR so DEAR?!?"

[@thomashill6347]

We find so much about the Klingons TRULY started with NG, I am pleased with the creation of the Klingon race in Star Trek

[@KEVMAN7987]

For being obsessed with honor, Klingons act without it very often.

[@Achatius1982]

Honor is just an instrument in politics, it can be used and abused to steer the people through the ages. But it's worth nothing, when it's more abused than used.

[@szahmad2416]

Honour is great...until expediency and political calculation set in.

[@nickcarroll8565]

“Honor is a gift a man gives to himself” -Rob Roy

[@christopherwall2121]

"In war, there is no greater honor than victory."

[@3Rayfire]

@@christopherwall2121 ~General Martok

[@davidbgreensmith]

For all their talk of honour, the Klingons demonstrate time and again how little they have.

[@randellgoering1014]

Even klingon bath robes have armor. Lol

[@nsr-ints]

Same energy as Adama's "I'm not letting you execute my men!"

[@Maescool]

And then Dax is like, let the empire fall

[@jliller]

If the truth would cause your empire to collapse then your empire deserves to collapse.

[@Tydusis1]

Never realized until now that not only does Worf backhand Duras, a gesture that would normally be an challenge of a fight to the death, but he also gets a nod of approval from the Klingon leader.

[@johnnelson7192]

Accept they were willing to destroy it for Duras's dishonor.

[@legionaireb]

I came here ENTIRELY for the first 17 seconds of this clip.

[@crigeorge9549]

There was another version of this dialog that included some extra lines of K'mpec and Duras on Dailymotion. Adding more drama. For some reason the directors prefered not to include them in the aired episode. Unfortunately its not available anymore to see it there. K'mpec : you risk this much? This is not the Federation, Picard. If you defy an order of the High Council in an affair of the Empire, the alliance with the Federation could fall to dust. Picard : same line. then Duras: A true klingon would never hide from his judgement Picard , no matter what you'll have them do. K'mpec: What would you do... about Kurn? huh? Make him an officer in Starfleet(laughthing) , He's klingon! After his tour on your ship is complete, he would have no place to go. He will rather ...die. (closing his eyes briefly in resignation). Worf: I will die for the empire. Picard: Leutenant!!! .... This is the real reason why Worf gave up in continuing and rather admit the shame on his family. To protect his brother.

[@NealX_Gaming]

I like how K'Empec is so scared of civil war, when later on and the civil war finally breaks out, the Klingons on both sides seem to basically enjoy it.

[@RoadRunnerMeep]

His voice sounds similar at 4:10, was Kmpec the voice of the ship builder from Farscape who met with Zhaan? EDIT - Nope, was Jonathan Hardy

[@joshuahudson2170]

The answer by right ought to be, "The cha'Dlch may defend Worf against all assult. There is no exception for blatant assult by the council itself, and Worf has a cha'Dlch with a starship at his command."

[@Tadoka_Inamo]

4:31 We learn in DS9 that for a Klingon, a backhand to the face means a challenge to a fight to the death.

[@ronwit]

Scenes like this are where we begin to see that the ideal world Roddenberry had shown us still possessed deep flaws and that the TNG Klingons are more like the TOS Klingons than we had been led to believe.

[@jonatube28]

Bet tractor tyre head struggles to get through some doors with that massive cranium

[@iamemjarrobinson8713]

Even though the Klingons have the rather unfair code that condemns a son along with a father, they will still acknowledge honorable conduct. Even if Worf's father had have been guilty, K'mpec would have seen Worf as honorable in spite of everything. As for Duras, well, like father like son.

[@gudaran]

back when writers knew how to write...

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

And thus began the tradition of Worf getting shafted over and over again for the good of the Klingon Empire.

[@RangerOneGaming]

Real star trek.

[@Okiedog1]

"Discomidation"? What is that, like being excommunicated?

[@AttackerNumberTwo]

Essentially yes.

[@momokochama1844]

more or less. but more like excommunication in the middle ages. Discommendation means he becomes more or less persona non grata within the empire

[@pokemaster123ism]

Considering the empire fell to civil war later, it would’ve been better had they had the war at this time. K’mpec would’ve been alive to rally the empire, and they could’ve announced that Ja’rrod was the traitor, not Mogh, hurting Duras faction

[@theaussiebackflipboy]

Sometimes Klingon honour can be "flexible"....

[@Narrowgaugefilms]

In another century, in another solar system, among another species, politics is STILL politics!

[@turbopokey]

I thought that back-hand slap meant a challenge for duel to the death?

[@faycemahn121]

Kimpok, I spelled it that way to show disrepect so don't correct me, running running the Empire like a Romulan and Worf taking it from behind for a reason that won't matter later. Yep. Kling-nons.

[@patricksmith7626]

Men of honor is a wicked age.

[@mikeeubank246]

It’s ironic that Klingons value honor and courage so highly yet have no sense of what true honor and courage is.

[@michaelhill2844]

Kahlest body-shamed K'mpec.

[@randomobserver8168]

Although it overlaps, Honor is not a synonym for Justice, Ethics, or Morality- these terms are not entirely synonymous either, but they are close to one another than any is to Honor. Honor is about public standing in a peer group, and personal feelings about that standing, and about whatever duties that Honor demands. It is not purely personal, nor purely ethical, nor does every Tom, Dick or Harry have standing to question any particular person's honor unless they are part of the same peer group as him. Largely a sidebar comment, save that Picard's standing to challenge any Klingon's honor will be limited by himself not being a Klingon let alone a Klingon warrior, but alternatively bolstered for any Klingon's familiar with his combat and leadership record, or for some Klingon's willing to judge based solely on his conduct here. It will not be automatic or universal, though, because he is not one of them. Certainly not to the degree that pronouncements from Picard or the Federation would automatically turn the Klingon people against K'mpec or the Council. Plus, while the cynicism of power politics being a reality everybody sooner or later finds distasteful but also necessary, it is worth noting that loyalty to and preservation of the Empire would be widely considered an honorable act, and duty. Worf himself thinks this when he offers to die for the Empire.

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

Dat slap is all he'll have for some years, heh.

[@fabriglas]

Corruption everywhere it seems in all ways!

[@axelfoley1406]

Sadly, human nature. A lot of people would do anything for personal gain. It's no different than the animal world, but you would think with our cognitive ability and sentience, we would want to treat each other better. Many do, but many also don't.

[@n.w.1803]

"You are still fat, K'mpec.."

[@RetroActiveGM]

I know it turns out okay in the end with Martok as Chancellor, but if I were Worf, I would've just let the civil war happen. Fuck it 😂

[@54raynor]

Kae’lest was right: Worf chose well.

[@user-ki4ex9jb7d]

The whole reason to watch startrek: Next Generation. Worf

[@beav1962]

Duras was such a smug, arrogant pos. K'mpek wasn't strong enough to guide his people through this scandal. Worf had honor that couldn't be measured. He was the best Klingon in this room, and Picard was second!

[@cold10er]

That episode really bothered me that worf had to endure punishment for something he didn't do

[@wufspyder]

Honor betrayed is NOT HONORABLE. An Empire based on LIES is not TRULY AN Empire. It is nothing but paper.

[@ukspizzaman]

This is so Norwegian. Someone takes the blame. And then we never speak of it again. If you do, you will be punished. It has been settled.