Aptera Motors HUMILIATES the Entire Industry with their LATEST UPDATE!

[@futuredrive1610]

What is your opinion on this car?

[@tims8603]

I think some of your info is somewhat sketchy. I haven't heard some of those things anywhere else.

[@ccibinel]

@@tims8603 Yep - 15 minute charge time is absolutely not true. Aptera uses commodity batteries and the 1000 mile will have a 99 kwh (or possibly larger) battery. The only charge rate we know is 50 kw which is not great (although due to high efficiency is still close to tesla in miles added per hour charging).

[@HundTheHound]

@@tims8603 YEP getting a click bait feel with the title and such as well, i get being a small channel but integrity goes WAY longer than flashy clickbait

[@harrybartlett4020]

Love the Aptera, but a lot of the information on this channel is incorrect.

[@vic321344]

Aptera is a motorcycle, not a car.

[@herawynn1397]

Sorry, there is a lot of assumptions and incorrect info in this video. I enjoy Aptera and am a reservation holder, but can't support the plethora of wrong info in here.

[@skipondowntheroad5833]

I also do not support wring info.

[@MandyFlame]

Agree. What a waste of time

[@MexicoAdventurer]

@@skipondowntheroad5833 It's Wrong to be Wring.

[@dondaniels127]

Leather seats??? 3 pax? That’s news to me. Click bait, much wrong info in this video. Crumple zones? More like crush zones that absorb energy.

[@danvdr]

Sounded like a ChatGPT generated script.

[@n.brucenelson5920]

Posted to Reddit at r/ApteraMotors Appreciate the coverage. However, your 80% charge in 15 minutes is questionable. Aptera will charge at a peak rate of 500 miles per hour at a 50 kW DC charger. Your claim regarding separate versions with different aerodynamics or 3 passengers is incorrect as far as any announcement goes. Much of your video was of early prototypes where design details have changed. Please make that clear if you produce more. Choice of seats is only likely to be from the aftermarket, except for color. This is one way Aptera will control costs.

[@nickster0007]

There is nothing at all in this video that resembels "latest update"/news/etc. In fact almost ALL of the video clips are 1+ years old and are showing things that have changed drastically in the past year. Thumbs down for this innaccurate jumble of old videos and claimed features that are not even part of the cars current iteration.

[@robinpettit7827]

I am aware of the charger limitations. I plan to get a 600 mile version. Even though it will take some time to recharge it to 80% assuming it has been fully discharged, it will still charge 2-3X faster than any other car with the equivalent range.

[@dondaniels127]

I'm a reservation holder. This video recycles old stock footage of early prototypes, outdated or incorrect information, as well as a number of inaccurate assumptions and misleading information. For instance, you can get a 250, 400, 600 or 1000 mile battery pack. I'm guessing the 250 mile battery pack may charge to 80% in 15 minutes, though you did not mention if that was starting from zero. Tne 1000 mile model will take 4 times as long. A better measure would be how many miles range you can charge in 15 minutes, in this case about 200 miles, or about 3 times as many miles per minute as a Tesla.

[@yvs6663]

i think they are promising 100 miles in 10min on either the 400 or 600mile edition in another video i saw. i would expect about 40min of charging time. it would probably require a 100kW+ charger for the two bigger batteries while the 250 and 400 mile models could potentially do it on 50kW. which is in line with the fact that the minimalistc design doesn't really allow for extravagant battery cooling systems. will see once some real world tests become avalible. but all in all, it should make for some amazingly cheap long distance travel given the driver leaves with a full battery.

[@thomascorbett2936]

I ordered an Aptera with the 600 mile battery, all wheel drive, full solar package and a custom color, metal flake blue . I ordered a lot of extras so the price came in at $ 39500 .

[@jamesstarks3676]

Is this your everyday cruiser? Will you keep a family car or is it just you? I want one for just myself and I'd keep my Model S for the family.

[@thomascorbett2936]

@@jamesstarks3676 well I do painting and plastering , I have a 2017 Ram 1500 van , that's what I'll I'll be driving most of the time . I'm single and 72 years old, the Aptera will be my first and probably last new car . It will be my fun road trip car God willing .

[@jamesstarks3676]

@Thomas Corbett You'll go out with a bang... you remember leaded gasoline and full service gas stations and now you'll have the most futuristic, unimaginable car. What progress the world has made. I pray you become an unbelievable nomad. Wondering the highways of the U.S. and find many adventures. If you're ever around Dallas... I'll buy you the best burger in town. Have fun, live your best life. Sounds like you've earned it after all the years of hard work.

[@thomascorbett2936]

@@jamesstarks3676 Thank you, that's very kind, God bless you .

[@n.brucenelson5920]

@@thomascorbett2936 What I have found (I am 73) is that in addition to being an amazing technical response to some of the mess we have gotten ourselves in, Aptera has been a central element in building a world wide community of gracious people.

[@stevendunn264]

Why do you show non current pictures and videos. What you show is not what Aptera owners will see.

[@tajdvl-advocate6113]

An ideal one or two person commuter car for those that would never consider a motorcycle. An ideal second car for a family where no more than 2 need to carried at a time. Might be some concern for road noise. Likely a big concern for collisions with high mass vehicles, like SUV EVs, that will outweigh them by a factor of 6-10 times the empty weight.

[@beachbeemer]

I love the auto cycle, the video, not so much. The presenter didn't do much, if any, research on the Aptera.

[@GZnarg]

This video has significant non-truths: THERE IS ONLY ONE VERSION OF THE APTERA. There is no 'more aerodynamic version' or 'fully enclosed' version. The Aptera is not an Arcemoto, an open vehicle with options for enclosure. The author is writing as if he has never seen the car. The video shows old Aptera interiors not even current when this article was written. The Aptera does not come with 1000 mile range unless that battery configuration is ordered at significantly increased cost. The Aptera WILL NOT charge 0-80% in fifteen minutes even if the smallest battery (250 miles range) is optioned. The Aptera WILL charge about 100 miles in 10 minutes regardless of which battery is installed. That's 0-60% in 15 minutes for the 250 mile version, but to 37% for the 400 mile range, 25% in the 600 mile version, or 15% in the 1000 mile range version There are no variable flaps that open/close automatically on the Aptera to improve aerodynamics nor is there a driver option to control these non-existent flaps. Total nonsense. Perhaps Future Driver is referring to the ventilation system, but there are no external aerodynamic flaps nor would such flaps do anything other than disturb its laminar flow design. The solar panels do not eliminate the need for external charging unless the user drives daily less than the number of miles provided by the solar panels (20-40 miles/day) depending upon sun energy available and solar option selected. The solar cells will not charge more than 40 miles a day regardless of configuration. Future Drive would be well advised to actually go to the Aptera website and view the options available. There are no optional lighting packages. The interior comes in four color options with no ability to change the color palette. There is no leather option, currently. There is no sport or luxury seat options, currently. The Aptera only has two option groups: The safety Level II group, and the Sound System upgrade. The "Online Configurer" already exists. Other than the two option groups, customization is limited to four exterior colors (unless you opt for a custom color wrap), four interior color options, four range options (250,400,600, and 1000 miles with commensurate prices), front wheel or all wheel drive, and four levels of solar charging (std, plus hood, plus rear, plus both hood and rear). Readers would be advised to go to the Aptera KZbin channel and watch the actual Aptera production reveal published today for more accurate information or go to Aptera.us and do a test order to view the options available. .

[@HausOfAdonis]

I’m getting one

[@nickvledder]

Way better than the ideas behind the Lightyear Car!

[@artsmith103]

Unfortunately Lightyear is in trouble. But 4 wheels and 4 seats is a much better market.

[@n.brucenelson5920]

@@artsmith103 Sadly for the purpose of efficiency, the engineering is much worse. Aptera's second vehicle is likely to be a 5 passenger, 4 wheel sedan. Tesla started with a much smaller potential market than Aptera with their Roadster.

[@anthonybarbuto6012]

I am sorry......lots of incorrect info here..???I am an aptera ambassador. I am in a group of people who are going to buy an aptera as well as popular ize the car as much as possible. The u tuber lists a lot of features for he car hat I have not heard of before!....Also he lists many options and customizations.....which again are new to me!?.?..?I can tell u that aptera was scheduled to start at $25,900 ....for he following....?.two wheel motor drive, basic solar cell coverage, standard audio package,cwith a choice of three color s for the exterior and trim option. This is for the 200 mile range battery pack. There are options for the following....??three motor drive, battery packs of 400 600 or 1000 mile range, optional full solar cell coverage, custom audio package,.....ckage,.......Aptera plans to launch the car in a special launch configuration which is as follows........three wheel drive, 400 mile range battery pack, custom audio package, extra solar cell coverage option. To keep it simple one color has been sel cted. Aptera wants to build 5,000 cars in this launch. This will verify their assembly procedures and provide cars for crash test and other testing purposes. If u want an aptera in different configuration and with other options...go to the configuration page on their web site.......aptera.us...The configuration planner will give u a price for the car and u can make a deposit to get in line for your car!!!!....There are approximately 30,000 reservation holders for aptera.Aptera expects to ramp up to 40,000 vehicles intially. Sandy Munro of Munro and associates who has been a consultant to aptera says that estimate of 40,000 pr year is very conservative. He predicts aptera will be able to make 100,000 cas per year very easily. If u have any questions about aptera feel free to email me. Do check the features f the car with the web site. As I said this video mentions things new to me!!!!!!......If u email me I shall send you a discount code to save u money when you order your aptera on line...... regards.....a. barbuto...... [e-mail].......

[@anthonybarbuto6012]

The cost for the launch version is $33,000.........

[@n.brucenelson5920]

@@anthonybarbuto6012 Aptera has not yet announced the final price. They are likely 6 months or more away from that occurring.

[@kylerobinson7572]

Accuracy is lacking in this video. Best to check out Aptera’s official website. Good intentions, do not a good video make :-)

[@mdoromal]

3 passengers? this is new. Everything I've seen is that this is a two seater, even from the CEO.... hmmmmm.

[@fitybux4664]

One person can lay down in the back. 😆

[@GZnarg]

Aptera is contemplating a third seat, but has not acted on this. It has revealed the production vehicle yesterday but that is not part of it . Go to their KZbin channel for the latest information.

[@donnievance1942]

This is a bull$h!t with a whole bunch of misinformation and misunderstandings.

[@Skylancer727]

Ah just a note, the 15 minute charge time is only for the lowest range 25Kwh model as it uses a maximum 50Kwh charger speed. They've never said they'll be increasing the charge rate for the higher range models and they likely won't due to how that range is achieved.

[@dankusmemus2350]

I can tell you now it won't fully charge or even anywhere near fully charge in 15 minutes

[@Skylancer727]

@@dankusmemus2350 yeah doing the math right now you'd be lucky to get even 30 minutes. More likely 45 minutes. I just quickly posted it after listening to the video while playing a game. Wasn't really thinking that hard one what I posted.

[@fitybux4664]

Maximum 50kW charger speed. Units are hard. 😆

[@dankusmemus2350]

@@fitybux4664 and all packs use the same cells, a smaller battery pack will charge at less KW. The 50KW rating is just for the 40KW pack at this stage I believe

[@fitybux4664]

@@dankusmemus2350 40kWh packs.... units really are hard I guess. Charger speed: kW. Battery pack size: kWh. That extra "h" or not is very significant.

[@lancesnider5626]

According to their website, on the question, "Do I need a helmet to operate Aptera since it is classified as an autocycle?" the site says, "Aptera is technically an enclosed autocycle, so you will not need a helmet in forty-seven states. We are working with our lobbying team to help nudge for change in legislation in the last states with this requirement for drivers under 18, Arizona, Oklahoma, and Wyoming."

[@hpman2391]

Lame, on what list an investor, all old news, that has a lot of new news, sorry, love you're joy for Aptera, your, knowing of the solar powered Aptera, need more, date related material

[@karelmarx8899]

I hope oil mafia will not kill it

[@donnievance1942]

And just how would they do that?

[@johnbergendahl878]

While my Honda clarity has been a great car for me .I travel 140 miles a day 3 times a week and I'm alone. This two to three seater would be ideal for me. I do have a level 2 charger at home but the 400 mile version would be perfect for me. At work there is plenty of sun so I would opt for the full solar package to gain back hose 40 miles. This also solves the parts issue I may run into with my Honda clarity down the road. I'm excited and can't wait to test drive one .

[@noinfo1978]

What is the warranty on the battery and wh at will be the approximate cost if you have to replace it outside of warranty? That's the scariest part about buying an electric car.

[@dallaspcc3886]

Hope to buy one in the VERY near future! In fact, I would've preordered one by now if my apartment building had a charging station or owned my own house.

[@robinpettit7827]

You can charge it via a 120 V outlet. This may help you in getting one sooner. My highrise condo building is looking to put some EV charging stations in one of our parking lots.

[@dallaspcc3886]

@@robinpettit7827 - I live on an 11th floor, tho. How long of an extension chord would I need to charge it from out my window? 😭

[@ScottRedstone]

There is no humiliation of the auto industry. I have an Aptera on order. This video is poorly done and is so vague “…and other high end features…”. Looks like a third string high school ad exercise. One that earned a C+.

[@kenswireart88]

first delivery in 2022 when exactly was this video made?

[@artsmith103]

In 2023! I think this is his video resume. He'll fit right in at Aptera :-(

[@awash7156]

It’s an exciting concept but I’m not sure how they “embarrassed” the industry with a concept that hasn’t made it to production yet!

[@williamquemuel7824]

Having all your controls on the display is bad choice for consumers. The display is a single point of failure. As such, it represents the costliest part to replace should it malfunction as well as consumer headaches. It maybe good for the manufacture who only has a display to replace a bunch of parts, but for the consumer, if the display goes down, then all hell breaks loose. Shame on the manufacturer choosing a single point of failure.

[@fitybux4664]

Most modern cars have all driving info coming through on a single display and also have that "single display point of failure" problem. It's a tested automotive thing. (Assuming they're using reliable displays, I don't think it will be a big issue.) Placement of the display is another thing entirely, and I'm sure hoping they got that right.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@fitybux4664 Do you have data to back your statement? Here is a fact. On Feb 3 2021, Tesla recalled 135K cars for display failures per NHTSA. You are speaking for the manufacture not the consumer. Tesla replied that these displays were only meant to last 5-6 years. People own cars for an average 10-11 years. Even on airplanes, you have dual redundant systems for safety issues. Having a display where most of your controls are located can represent a safety issue and thus a single point of failure. You are obviously not a safety expert. You are making unfounded assumptions. Do your research, bud?

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@fitybux4664 Here are two scenarios for single of failures. Scenario one: It is 20 below zero and your display has malfunctioned. You are in the middle of nowhere and you don’t have access to your climate controls. What do you do? Scenario two: Display has malfunctioned. Your battery interface is thru your display. What do you do? Do you know your state of charge? Can you charge your car without the battery interface? You are basically shit-out-of-luck (SOL).

[@fitybux4664]

@@williamquemuel7824 I wouldn't exactly call Tesla an example of reliability. But GM/Chevrolet has had driver displays for around a decade. I think even Honda/Toyota is like this now. You wouldn't even be able to see a modern car's mileage if the display broke.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@fitybux4664 You were making a general opinion about modern cars with displays. I kept finding holes in your statements. Now, you are backtracking. Here’s another fact. Did you know that GM has recalled 2023 Cadillac Lyriq (specific models) for display malfunction. BTW. I am referring to displays that are handling most of EV cars’ controls. I haven’t seen the reliability of Honda EV cars or Toyota EV car. There is not much data on the “Honda e” as this is only available in Europe and Japan. Toyota BZ4X is new so there is not much data on this as well. I am only focusing on EV’s as the battery interface is mainly in the display and pre-conditioning of the traction battery is thru the display. This is not trivial.

[@danvdr]

This was pretty bad. Lots of bad information (three passenger, an enclosed model, etc. ). Sounded like a ChatGPT generated script.

[@richardalexander5758]

I was hoping to get one to go with my Cybertruck.

[@justklaas4703]

Why start with a talk about infotainment. This is all about efficient transport. I really like its efficient design, and would not be bothered if it came with just regular dials. Do not like the idea of scrolling 10 sub tabs deep to get to function that I do not need.

[@GZnarg]

There is no argument that touch screens are more distracting. I prefer buttons and knobs. Our Subaru has an excellent combination of manual HVAC controls and a user friendly infotainment system with almost no menu depth. However, the trend is to eliminate mechanical devices as system changes are simple software updates. However, before worrying about the Aptera potentially being like a Tesla (totally annoying and inhuman technical excess), how about we give them a chance at designing a newer generation screen that is more user friendly before we become critical. They already have the major controls in a line at the bottom, thus not requiring a Tesla like, multi-selection moment to simply adjust a mirror. I'm with you. I'm a very high tech person, but I prefer knobs I can twiddle without looking at them, but I like the Aptera concept and might have to bite the bullet and zen out....

[@donnievance1942]

I advocate for the return of hand cranks for windows. Pointless tech and unneeded motors are nothing but extra opportunities for failure, as well as safety liabilities. Same thing goes for electronic controls for mirrors, as long as mirror alignment is mechanically stable. Substituting tech controls and power-driven functions for mechanical simplicity and reliability is bad design, especially given the physical superiority and light weight of modern materials for construction of parts. I want to see Zen simplicity combined with appropriate use of sophisticated technology throughout a vehicle. I think that Aptera is an ideal platform for this approach, and perhaps it will evolve further in that direction-- it seems that this mentality is very much at the base of the car's design already. For years, I daydreamed of a car design that began with aerodynamic efficiency as the starting point and first principle. Aptera is the first vehicle to do this. I think they're revolutionary pioneers.

[@alexi9108]

How does it handle dirty and splashy environments? Looks like its front wheels with some important assemblies are exposed to all elements and all promo videos feature dry sunny weather. And how about sloshy snow?

[@dondaniels127]

Latest version of wheel pants are different from what is shown in these videos.

[@donnievance1942]

Yeah, I don't know why all the wheel fairings in this video are shown as being open on the inside surface. This is not the plan for production model Apteras. The most distinctive feature of the Aptera is its extreme aerodynamic efficiency and those open fairings would definitely screw with that.

[@lancesnider5626]

Per the Aptera motors website as of 2/2/2024 on the question "Is Aptera safe?," the site says, "Aptera has significant safety advantages over other vehicles. Complete with an anti-lock braking system, forward collision warning with the safety pilot package, two airbags, four external cameras, and parking assist. We are designing to meet or exceed all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards and use industry-standard testing protocols to ensure reliability and durability. Our Formula One-inspired safety cell uses advanced Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC) that is ultra-lightweight and many times stronger than steel, paired with metallic front and rear subframes that absorb energy after impact. We will show our testing and provide Aptera’s safety rating upon passing a production vehicle through the full safety tests."

[@artsmith103]

What are the wheel sizes so I can investigate studded tires?

[@futuredrive1610]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ-nd3SbeJqAgZo Check this video about everything related to the tires of the Aptera!

[@artsmith103]

@@futuredrive1610 Not one word about tire size. Blocked

[@Voltaje_YT]

Prototipes are easy production is hard, i heard Aptera needed 50 million to start production, now that the production version was finnished, Aptera is a promising car, but if they can't produce it profitably, then they will go bankrupt, it is in their hands.

[@litestuffllc7249]

Of course it won't give a promised production date; they've missed every one they've made. The vehicle still is missing the required center mounted headlight which you can find on any production motorcycle; even one with 3 wheels. Aptera has promised the same vehicles to two parties; those who paid money for an early reservation and "investors" who have now been promised the same vehicles. This is a problem which will make it unwise for Aptera to ever make a vehicle.

[@mdoromal]

Wonder how loud it is in the cabin.

[@davidransom4476]

I'll park this next to my 80 mpg Elio.

[@beachbeemer]

I didn't know the Elio ever made it to production.

[@davidransom4476]

@@beachbeemer , how many Apteras are gliding around your town? Yes, I was being snarky.

[@beachbeemer]

@@davidransom4476 I had a deposit on one of those suckers!

[@johannes914]

Last news about the charging abilities are humiliating... Zero to 80% in 18 hours not minutes

[@dondaniels127]

Even later news, they got so much feedback that they ARE including DC Fast Charging on the Launch Edition, they will make that work. 40 KWh minimum, with up to 60 on cooler days with validation of their battery cooling ability. That would in theory charge a 600 mile version in one hour (plus the extra time for the drop off in charging rate as the batteries get close to full), so I should be able to take my 600 mile range version from 20%-80% during a lunch break.

[@johannes914]

@@dondaniels127 That was necessary. Now the vehicle is usable.

[@AdrianWalker247]

it's NOT a car it's a vehicle

[@HausOfAdonis]

No windshield wipers?

[@IBMara]

They used pictures and videos of a very early prototype. The production Aptera will have windshield wipers.

[@kenswireart88]

i thought he was gonna say fsd too

[@d3vastatlon]

"Room for up to 3 passengers" How? Where?

[@adriangabrielgramada1016]

What about unsprung mass ? What about a pedestrian easily getting trapped and chopped off its feet in between the wheel and the body ? (and that can easily be fixed btw 😊 ) What about the national television epic uphill fail? What about 4 seats or more ? What about the weird side window split in 2 exactly where the driver would need most clearance? What about noise comfort, suspension, direction? What about a flat tyre on a wheel one cannot handle in bad weather on the side if the road (that tyre should be puncture proof and self healing) What about servicing costs amd availability in Europe ? For now it is just a beach toy reserved for surfers and students and maybe old couples 😊 Good principles not necessarily good car make 😊 Sure, the shape is not bad, not the idea of least amount of mass but a boat on three wheels ready to loose its engines at any point / collision while ensuring maximum damage to living beings is ot really ok 😊 I'll show my concept soon enough and then we can see how a vehicle should try to revolutionize things 😊

[@rodolfo5651]

I’m finna get that fosho

[@Steve-io8qz]

Very out of date makes me think how much has changed

[@aussieideasman8498]

Also discovered you have just repackaged this; same video; different voice over and an old handle - called 'Adventure Avenue' this time around. Kept the title exactly the same. How lazy! Do you have any others pulling this trick?

[@davegott8412]

O they say 200 miles of charge overnight

[@1978rayking]

I want to be able to see the data of communication between brains in case a chip board needs to be replaced.

[@williamquemuel7824]

I don’t believe that the Aptera has gone thru all environmental qualification conditions (Ice, snow, fog, wind, humidity, heat, cold, etc…). This testing is costly, but will reveal the drawbacks in the vehicle if the company plans to sell this in places other than Southern California.

[@artsmith103]

I haven't heard of any safety testing or proof of miles/kWh. Only being a motorcycle gives them a lot of leeway to avoid this work.

[@n.brucenelson5920]

Validation work under these conditions will be done with the PI vehicles being assembled now. I will also report on my experience with an early model under year round conditions in Iowa.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@n.brucenelson5920 What you are describing is amateurish. Validation is different from qualification. Environmental qualification is done under controlled repeatable conditions in closed building environment: Temperature (extreme heat and cold), wind, shock & vibration, electrical shock (electrostatic discharge), EMC (electromagnetic compatibility), altitude (pressure impact such as driving in mountains), rain, humidity (ie. Houston in summer), salt & fog (ie.coastal environment), sand & dust (ie desert conditions), icing, light for solar panels (UV,..) fungus (rain forest environments such as Olympic Rain forest in Washington state), etc.

[@davegott8412]

Pot holes, how do avoid one driving a three wheeler ????

[@ima1sthumanonearth8]

Audi in Trouble 🤭

[@M.D2419]

I don't like the design and 3 Wheels

[@davegott8412]

Repairs???? How do u get a mechanic to repair

[@geniumme2502]

ow god nearly the entire video is just misinformation - aptera is a truely unique and amazing project but your coverage has just missed the mark so drastically i cant even put it into words.

[@ima1sthumanonearth8]

I know I did

[@vic321344]

9 months later: who was humiliated? Aptera Phantasies?

[@n.brucenelson5920]

Those who said they would be bankrupt. The version that is now being produced in PI form is far more advanced than what was originally announced.

[@vic321344]

@@n.brucenelson5920 Still Aptera does not have enough money to start production. While burning 20-40 Mill per year (SEC Report) without selling anything. Bancruptcy is just a matter of simple arithmetic. The version that is now in planning to be produced eventually is a much simpler and cheaper design than the original one.

[@keithwalker6892]

Fundamental design is poor. You could make a more streamline design with 4 wheels within the body of the car . 3 wheels poor in winter snowy conditions etc

[@n.brucenelson5920]

Adding weight and additional rolling resistance and bearing losses as you suggest would be poor design. I live in Iowa and will be reporting on my experience on gravel roads and in snow.

[@russellmoore1533]

Good luck ever get one, all talk, very little action.

[@n.brucenelson5920]

The tool steel tooling for the presses has been completed and validated body parts are being produced and assembled now for the Production Intent builds. Much more than talk.

[@vic321344]

Nobody is shocked about the Aptera motorcycle. It is not a car!

[@GZnarg]

Only because of the antiquated Federal laws (that anything less than four wheels is a motorcycle) does Aptera register as an AutoCycle. Add another wheel to the rear swing arm and it four wheels with no change to the body. Put four front wheels on a car to total six axles and it does not become a truck and fall under truck laws. The laws will eventually change to a new reality, but the current AutoCycle is a new stopgap addition preventing the immediate rewriting of a complex vehicular legal code. Motorcycles are not enclosed and control their center of gravity through leaning mass. Cars do not. Their mass is always to the inside of the outside contact patch in a corner. Cars have enclosed, protected compartments. Motorcycles do not (see 33X greater death rate of motorcycles). Cars will soon come in a variety of configurations, even two wheeled with gyroscopes. The number of wheels is no longer the important criteria separating cars from other forms of transportation.

[@vic321344]

@@GZnarg Autocycles are motorcycles with3 wheels (no sidecar). Nobody needs a motorcycle wider than 2m. Or even wider than a Hummer H1. And motorcycles like the Aptera dont need to conform to the safety standards of cars, so they can be built much cheaper. Aptera is not able to conform to even the simplest safety standards necessary for cars.

[@GZnarg]

@@vic321344 AutoCycles have no sidecar specification, only that it is built like a car with three wheels. Again, add another wheel to the rear swing axle and it is rated a CAR. This nonsense about identity is just that - NONSENSE.

[@vic321344]

@@GZnarg if a vehicle is rated as a car, it has to confirm to All safety regulations of a car. Motorcycles dont need to, so they can be produced much cheaper.

[@GZnarg]

@@vic321344 The only reason that car configurations with three wheels do not register as a car is the tremendous effort that would be necessary to rewrite the vehicular codes to include them on the Federal level and propagate it to 50 states. So, Elio pushed through a stopgap configuration, the AutoCycle, that satisfied the current, obsolete regulations and not require helmets and special motorcycle licences. Thus, Elio, Sondors, and Aptera are licenced as automotive vehicles not requiring motorcycle considerations as they have fully enclosed, automotive grade passenger compartments with all the standard automotive features. It looks like a car, drives like a car, has a car interior, car steering, HVAC, crush zones and air bags, seat belts and everything else standard in cars, in no way resembling a motorcycle. It is designed to be used as a car. Not a word is spent associating it with anything resembling a motorcycle. To do so is the kiss of death to its marketing (see Elio where 68% of its buyers are ex-motorcyclists). It is being designed to pass the automotive crash standards when the licensing laws are finally rewritten to eliminate the obsolete vehicular distinctions regardless of the current legal requirements.. None of the 40,000 people with a reservation are going to claim its a motorcycle regardless of obsolete laws nor is anybody viewing one rolling down the road going to come to such a conclusion.

[@sarkisseywaz2127]

Aptiva is elio 2.0 It is not going to pass the crash tests. Mandated by us government. People running the show don’t have the money to implement this project

[@IBMara]

It's Aptera. It is not Elio. There are no mandated crash tests for an auto cycle. Aptera will test its vehicles to pass the strictest of standards. They do so of their own volition.

[@donnievance1942]

You're wrong. Aptera has demonstrated very high crush strength due to high end composite materials and the geometry of the body. The nose has a successful shock absorption crumple factor supported by under-body features designed for that purpose. What is it with people like you that just pull Sh!t out of their @ss in order to have something bad to say?

[@vic321344]

@@IBMara One year later: "Will do" and "Will Test" means: Nothing happened.

[@illuminape7632]

I really hope they give us the option of having a yolf vs a wheel. i hate the look and feel of the yolk. steering wheel ftw!

[@valerius39]

The biggest thing is that now you will never miss a pothole thanks to the 3d wheel being in the middle.

[@Kukaboora]

I disagree. If you see a pothole on the street, with a four wheeler you either miss it or hit it. If you hit it, you will hit it twice, front snd rear wheels. But with three wheelers you more than like hit it just once if you cannot avoid it. The maneuvering to avoid the potholes is the same for both three or four wheel. You just move your car laterally the width of the hole, does not matter the hole is closer to the side or the middle of the car. I think you will hit potholes less often with three wheels.

[@IBMara]

Being a driver, I take missing potholes with an Aptera as a challenge. This will add some excitement to an already exciting vehicle. 😄