AQUILO: First Landing! Dealing with HEAT🔥& COLD ❄️ | 23 | Factorio SPACE AGE

[@OniNaito]

The humble offshore pump. Doesn't need power. Can pump lava. Can pump thick heavy oil. Can pump murky swamp water. Offshore pumps don't even freeze. The single most incredible and essential technology in the game.

[@chrisrobs]

Truly the backbone of any factory.

[@sassmos]

Discovered by John Factorio and revolutionising the world

[@einerdek69]

"Can pump lava" Made me burst out laughing, top rated commend homie.

[@AustinJohnPlays]

I started enjoying Aquilo 100x more once i realized i don't have to have my power heat pipes connect to the warming heat pipes. I keep the heat exchangers at 525 and everything else is only 120-200. that saved me a LOT of resources and headache every time I expanded my base's heat pipes.

[@OniNaito]

My man plays Factorio and doesn't make content of it?! One of those don't monetize your private hobbies kind of deals? Respect either way.

[@CaptianSwan]

Honestly I think its best to just make a way overkill rocket fuel line. I have like 3 cryo plants churning ammoniacal solution, another 4 or so into solid fuel then like 6 more making rocket fuel. Ratios are probably wrong, and generally overkill but it heats up everything and produces tons of power basically for free.

[@RyanW1019]

I’m reading this comment at the perfect time! I started watching this video after a couple hours on Aquilo myself and this is a very useful tip for me to put into practice!

[@manuelquerochang2275]

​@@RyanW1019 same here, I just landed today and AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@Hringingy]

One thing I saw was that burner inserters specifically don’t freeze unlike electric inserters. This could be useful for potential failsafe setups in case you need to reheat a base that has completely frozen over

[@coldfanta4963]

Good catch! Definitely helps that we can make carbon up in space

[@givani30]

Honestly, as soon as you get Fusion power it doesnt really matter anymore because its so easy to craft the fuel

[@Hringingy]

@@givani30 does fusion power heat pipes? I haven’t seen people do that so I assumed it didn’t

[@danielh.9010]

@@Hringingy no, the plasma is too hot for any pipes and goes directly from the reactor to an adjacent generator. heating the ground only works with heat pipes, which require getting heat from a nuclear reactor or a heating tower (at least that's what the wiki says).

[@zera671]

You even need to heat pipes that output hot fluro, which doesn't make sense but it is what it is

[@OrchidAlloy]

I recommend having a heating tower completely dedicated to power, and not connect it to anything else. It wastes so much heat to bring everything to 500°C when you only need 30°C to keep buildings from freezing. Have separate heating towers at lower temperatures for that.

[@alejandrogarcia-yg6jv]

Couldn’t you use Nuclear power? Or at least nuclear power cells with the heating towers?

[@OrchidAlloy]

@alejandrogarcia-yg6jv Having 2xN nuclear reactors heating your whole base is viable, but still wastes a lot of heat. I'd still recommend keeping the reactor disconnected from the other heat pipes, as rocket fuel is cheap to keep your buildings warm enough.

[@alejandrogarcia-yg6jv]

@ got it, my main concern was with using heating towers for power and heating. My intention was to use nuclear for power and small heating elements for each separate build. Any suggestions?

[@OrchidAlloy]

@@alejandrogarcia-yg6jv that sounds good. You can place as many heating towers as you want and supply rocket fuel via requester chests. You'll need more towers if you have them at 60°C compared to 100°C, etc

[@alejandrogarcia-yg6jv]

@Thanks.👍👍

[@elWhiteNinja1]

Watching him stuggle with the heat tower made me happy i brought rare nuke reactors

[@lirg03]

32:14 oh no, the substation on the bottom right corner is accidentally moved. Now it is not aligned.

[@Olden_son]

*bottom left

[@TheEventHorizon909]

Call the orbital platform “Tycho” for obvious reasons

[@IIMatt_DII]

Yeah can't believe he didn't catch that.

[@htl2001]

I called my first (moving) platform this. Much as I like the ship names, I feel like none quite fit the way Tycho would.

[@styxstek]

wow the planets terrain is giving me some C&C Red Alert flashbacks

[@RobertFletcherOBE]

affirmative

[@manuelquerochang2275]

Oh Good old times❤

[@overloader7900]

20:10 the heat DOES dissipate from heat pipes, and the rate at which it does depends on the number of buildings being warmed this way; that is, heat pipes without buildings keep the temperature, but a single belt in proximity will drain the heat from the system. Otherwise it would be possible to just use singular pre-warmed pipes for everything. The drain is not negligeble either, a small factory of 40 assemblers and all the corresponding belts and inserters easily drains the 40 MWt of a heating tower

[@overloader7900]

Also the temperature transmission only works when the difference in temperatures is more than 1C. And heat pipes don't cool other heat pipes.

[@Arcane_123]

Separate heating towers for heat from the power plant. Otherwise you will always have issues with expanding. Power plant heating towers should not be heating the base.

[@OrchidAlloy]

Agreed

[@devines5171]

99% solar effectiveness but stilll requires solar to get started. Seems odd you can't melt ice in say a furnace or heating tower.

[@Zephyrbal]

What I did is bring enough fuel to cover a couple reactors while I unlocked and built fusion. At which point you never have to worry about energy again

[@OscarPerez-w1f]

I did that on gleba

[@Dianbler]

You can make so many rods in Nauvis It doesnt matter. I just unlocked the science in Aquilo but I think my base is probably the most inefficient thing on the universe. Which is on brand.

[@rolletroll2338]

Nauvis is basically the energy provider of the whole solar system if needed (except on Vulcanus, because the power Is even cheaper than on nauvis)

[@SlimSlashie]

Hey Nil, I don't know if they nerfed something between this video and today, but on Aquilo for the first time, holy smokes it takes roughly 2k rocket fuel to get the thing to start making power. What a kick in the twins... Excellent video.

[@Slimefellaa]

you should keep your towers really hot, 550 is very little and in Aquilo you really can't stop producing power everytime you expand your heat network

[@alexuschan1]

yeah you should boost the minimum to like 800 or so, or even 900 as long as it doesn't max out it would be good.

[@mrShift_0044]

or separate power producing heaters from heating ones

[@OrchidAlloy]

Missed opportunity to bring high quality robots, epic robots have four times the battery capacity which matches the four times battery drain of Aquilo. Quality roboports also charge them faster.

[@alexey5239]

>which matches the four times battery drain of Aquilo 5x battery drain (from factorio wiki)

[@OrchidAlloy]

@alexey5239 oh i see

[@Chikanera666]

Welcome back to nilaus my name is factorio

[@andi242]

for all not having an absolute sh*tload of resources to bring with you: start with the classic 1+2 boiler/steam engine setup, make solid fuel from ammonia and feed it to the boiler. not sure about how much rocket fuel is needed to bring the tower to 500C here, but it's a lot.

[@rolletroll2338]

4 nuclear reactors and 50 rods each and you can basically waste your power for few hours.

[@giin97]

Heh. Landed on Volcanis today, first time to a new planet. Started setting everything up... Realized I forgot pumpjacks 😂

[@Outworlder]

If you didn't lose your spaceship, all you need is a round trip to get more

[@Dianbler]

I had the exact same problem. I landed and saw the sulfur and proceeded to load my save...

[@CassandraFortuna]

my friend and i just got to vulcanus last night -- we did fulgora first -- and it was only after the explorer/base start-up ship made three round trips that we noticed we'd forgotten to set a request for mining drills :D

[@Sworn973]

Nice how a pump doesn't freeze while absolutely everything else does xD

[@AbsoluteHuman]

It really is a marvelous building, working without any power, non freezing pales in comparison

[@OniNaito]

@@AbsoluteHuman The offshore pump carries the factory on its back.

[@rogo7330]

@@AbsoluteHuman which is strange, because you can always stockup on water in tanks. Or just put a solar backup just for the pump and manipulators that do the work for getting you The Big Power from nuclear.

[@AbsoluteHuman]

@@rogo7330 the real reason always was that it is the only building you have access to at the start of the game and they didn't want to add some temporary power bootstrap like wind turbines and another possible death spiral to confuse new players. But it is confusing in another way now...

[@chimmy_jim]

Brrr it's cold! Great series, thanks!

[@WuddupDok]

Loving this series! Keep em coming 💪

[@hexer0828]

A Story of Fire and Ice. Very nice VIdeo Thx!

[@Blastxu]

Yay! I Need more. Question, wouldn't it be better to bring a nuclear reactor in the beginning? It seems like heating towers take way more fuel to work properly.

[@reuven2010]

Yeah don't waste your time with this heating towers that is really no reason to use them Next episode he will probably build it as well.

[@submachinegun5737]

Plenty of reason to use heating towers, like the oil you can pump for the fuel instead of shipping uranium constantly. For starting it up though bringing a nuclear reactor is definitely a good idea

[@OrchidAlloy]

It would be much better if he only heated the towers to 30°C, which is enough to keep the buildings from freezing. Have a separate 500°C heat tower for power disconnected from all the other heat pipes.

[@salemprompthous3820]

2:10 Looking forward to Nilaus realizing the Orbital harvesters are useless on Aquilo. 99% of asteroids are Oxite, so no metals or carbon for ammo. Already lost two orbitals there myself before I realized why they died 😅 35:57 Oh, right.... I completely missed that those can be changed around. Guess I was too busy wrapping my head around designing something that would work planet-side. I gotta send another one over, then 🤣

[@ember3579]

There's crusher recipes that can convert asteroids into other types. Circuit controlling that is gonna be a nightmare, but yeah.

[@salemprompthous3820]

@ember3579 yeah, I completely blanked on that option. Which I realized Nilaus didn't blank on, around 35:57. Felt like a bit of a muppet there 😅

​@@ember3579 the circuit is trivial. Just measure how much you have and then enable reprocessing if the number of particular chunks is greater than some value. You don't even need combinators, just control the inserters and run the chunks in a loop.

[@rolletroll2338]

Asteroid balancing is your friend

[@MartinHochbaum]

Your space platforms are amazing.

[@TOM_NIX]

On my base i used your grid and had a 2 grid blocks wide bus with a row of towers going along it with a belt of rocket fuel, worked great

[@werothegreat]

Question: what would be the viability of doing a sulfur/iron from asteroids -> sulfuric acid -> neutralize sulfuric acid with calcite to make steam to power steam engines, rather than having to constantly ship in uranium?

[@danielh.9010]

The numbers don't look very good, but it isn't totally unrealistic either I think: 10 steam turbines need 600 steam/s, which requires 60 sulfuric acid/s, which requires 6 sulfur/s, 120 water/s (=6 ice/s), 0.06 calcite/s and 1.2 iron plates/s. Anyway, the planner says you'd need to collect 3 carbonic asteroid chunks per second and 2 oxide ones (and 0.02 metallic). But if there's mostly oxide asteroids flying around, then limiting the input to oxide asteroids only would mean requiring 6.6 oxide asteroid chunks/s, 19 unmoduled crushers for the recycling, and 19 more unmoduled crushers for the actual processing. This is 5 MW with efficiency modules, or 10+12 crushers and 24 MW with speed modules, or 7+7 crushers and 25 MW with speed modules and 1 beacon per machine. However, if everything is rare quality (crushers, modules and beacons) then, with a mix of speed and efficiency modules, the machine and power requirements can be reduced to 3+4 crushers and 8-9 MW. 6.6 asteroid chunks/s should be one big asteroid every 1.3 s.

[@danielh.9010]

When including 4 rockets/s to shoot down the asteroids this increases to in total 11 oxide asteroid chunks/s, 4+6 crushers, 2 foundries (iron plates from iron ore), 2 assemblers (rockets), 3 chemical plants (1 for water from ice, 1 for coal synthesis, 1 for explosives), all rare quality, 18 MW.

[@redstonewolfx]

Acid Neutralization recipe can only be used on Vulcanus. There’d be no way to bring steam over.

[@danielh.9010]

​@@redstonewolfx Oh, bummer 😞 It was a nice idea!

[@snowdrop9810]

Surprised you went heating towers over nuclear reactors. Those seem just straight better for heat

[@solarshado]

I'm guessing it's because heating towers could theoretically run solely from "on site" resources (if you count space-sourced carbon), but fission reactors _require_ importing uranium from Nauvis (which would be rather rocket-launch-intensive).

[@JohnMeinel]

You can also make both solid fuel and rocket fuel with only on-site resources. So heating towers have some viability even without the space platform.

[@hatrian]

Heating towers and nuclear reactors actually output the same amount of heat, but heating towers get a fuel efficiency bonus and can be fueled by stuff made on aquilo.

[@angeldude101]

@@JohnMeinel You can make rocket fuel entirely from the solution and rocket fuel. You don't actually need the crude oil for solid fuel if you're crazy enough and have enough rocket fuel productivity.

​@@solarshadoonce you're capable of going to Aquilo shipping fuel is total non-issue. And the Aquilo recipes actually make you ship stuff from different planets anyway. I've made a ship for each planet to transport to Gleba and then I take everything with the big ship from there.

[@omechron]

Looking at the health bars of the rockets, I don't think it was ever actually taking 5 rockets to destroy them. It looks like when you're in motion the forward guns are shooting all at once so they're firing more than they need. When you're stopped, the side guns are sparser so they don't waste as many rockets. Not sure what the solution for that is. Maybe that ship just had too many rocket turrets?

[@rogo7330]

Rockets never shoot more than they need. The game probably tracks each rocket as damage delt before deciding to fire another one at the target. It's probably does not work in cooperation with other turrest though, but that where you can fiddle with target priorities.

[@TarisRedwing]

11:40 Man you telling me I been struggling to build for hours now and all I had to do was put down some of the ENDLESS amounts of concrete I have from Fulgora 😮‍💨

[@YouTubestopsharingmyrealname]

I cant wait to get the orbital platform, but Ugh! I am not feeling Gleba right now...

[@teridero1]

Gleba is hell

[@sonatonuryaslicam6835]

Glorious Video

[@TomAllenUK]

Man I didn’t realise you could craft ice platform. I did manage to generate enough science tho just from the one you last on amazingly

[@stephenmcorby]

I use Nauvis as my main hub. Everything gets shipped in there so I have one space ship going back and forth to each planet. Anything from another planet that is needed somewhere else is just taken from the stockpile on Nauvis. I understand your logistics system, but it seems like your problem in the beginning where you had to travel to each planet to get the items needed would be solved with a system like this. Is there a reason you do it your way?

[@elWhiteNinja1]

Seems to me fulgora should be the hub as it's central to all planets

​@@elWhiteNinja1I did it with Gleba for two reasons: same distance to all other planets and infinite resources for shipping.

[@Dianbler]

​@@elWhiteNinja1I moved my ammo production to fulgora for that reason. Better to resupply there

[@abebuckingham8198]

@@elWhiteNinja1 I use Gleba as my hub. That way I don't have to worry about spoilage in space.

[@elWhiteNinja1]

I really like aquillo, i wish there was a version with all the resources as rhe heat pipe spaghetti is fun

[@SanderBuruma]

why not use ctrl click to add a destination for your personal ship? It adds the next planet destination as a temporary stop. Don't keep any permanent stops. Just ctrl click when adding a destination.

[@CassandraFortuna]

setting permanent stops with a simple "do not leave until you have one deconstructor planner in your cargo" condition works just as well and cuts out the extra step of having to navigate to the solar map. same thing as for a pax or construction train

[@rolletroll2338]

One silly question: why not import nuclear fuel from nauvis? It genererate monstruous amonth of heat for very few effort

[@SteveMorris-c2r]

since nuclear fuel is recyclable wouldn't it make more sense to just bring a nuclear set up to Aquillo and enough uranium to make it self sustaining? Doing that should net you power and heat needed to jump start your factory with out the huge cost of burning loads of rocket fuel. You would only need a small heat set up to jump start the reactor. Once its live you can use as much heat as you want, well until you over tax the reactor. You could easily make the set up scalable as well until better heat and power options become available.

[@camrenw9719]

That doesn't make a lot of sense, nuclear is not 100% recyclable, and it's very expensive to put nuclear fuel / 238-235 on a space platform. Aquilo has renewable fuel from oil, and water from the ice. Price / power would be a lot more expensive for nuclear. It's simpler to use nuclear, but expensive. It may take 20 rockets to bring enough buildings and resources to make a rocket fuel power plant, but it could take a few hundred to bring enough usable uranium to aquilo. The only argument I could see would to ship pure 235 to combine it with the rocket fuel to use nuclear fuel as opposed to fuel cells for a reactor

​@@camrenw9719 are you playing the same game? Nuclear is not cheap, but also not too expensive either. Once you're capable of going to Aquilo, you have enough productivity research that spending too much time on dealing with solid fuel is not worth it. Before I got to Aquilo I already had a base capable of launching 17 rockets simultaneously. And it's not even fully optimized. I didn't rebuild LDS to use foundries yet, I don't use foundries that much still and only started with big mining drills recently.

[@camrenw9719]

Yeah, I haven't had a ton of time to this game yet. I've barely got my first space platform launched, not even built to make science yet. Just looking at the numbers, and the idea of "thing here free, why use expensive thing" is my line of thinking. I've got about 300 hours into a space exploration playthrough, so maybe I'm biased towards 'do thing here cause easier and cheaper than bring thing here" haha

[@Outworlder]

@@camrenw9719nuclear power plants use so little fuel though. Without circuits they do burn fuel whether or not they are in use but that's easily fixed. Fuel lasts forever even without reprocessing.

[@rolletroll2338]

Nuclear cells are basically free. The most expensive part is to ship them from nauvis, which at this point of the game is trivial

[@dill2479]

Lets go new nilaus video

[@TonyTheTerrible]

i just got to aquilo and found out from your video that there arent resources. so we're supposed to have a robust ship taxi system in place here? it seems like by the time you finish gleba's tech you can just start manufacturing on the ship for most basic things (if not in the quantities that youd prefer)

[@nicky2coats]

Don’t forget, if you don’t want to deal with this insanity you can ship in nuclear fuel cells and build a small 1 reactor nuclear power plant. Mine gets 60MW and fits into one grid square.

[@rolletroll2338]

I use 4 and it generate an obscene amount of power.

[@KevinRavensberg]

That's a cool planet!

[@jmb47kkamikaze80]

Not a fan of heating tower so I just brought the nuclear reactor 😂. It only gets fed when dropping to 500-600 heat. My ship already runs on nuclear so I might as well just drop some of the nuclear cells that will get refilled when it returns to Nauvis.

[@darrendecamera2100]

Do you have a blueprint for the "orbital Production"

[@borismijatovic7929]

How does he manage to insert only 2 efficiency modules into the assembly machines instead of 4 with one click at 29:14?

[@StefanNicodem]

By pressing 'z' twice with the item in hand (module in this case). The z key is simply drop one item at the location of the mouse pointer.

[@johntucket9221]

I can see why you overprepared :)

[@giordanoivani7192]

why not using nuclear reactor to heat up things until you unlock ammonia roket fuel? i feel like uranium is so much better than heating towers (i still have to go to aquilo and maybe im so wrong)

[@TarisRedwing]

Over 2,600 rockets for me on a round trip for Aquilo....so annoying. I gotta figure out a better way to set the rockets up maybe in a very skinny line because they reach out way too far to the left and right wasting tons of rockets. I wish you could just set them to have a cone of fire to the front so they dont waste sooooo much ammunition. Also my Aquilo is a massive headache to build on with very little room to build things on without the ruff ice blocking everything! Man I thought Gleba was annoying at least I could build there where Aquilo feels like a jenga puzzle deathtrap if you dont show up way over prepared lol.

[@TSDFabrication]

Ive found it far more resource efficient to just use nuclear power and fuel imported to nauvis, than to try and keep up with rocket fuel for all of the heating towers

[@irontrident3713]

You could've always used nuclear rocket fuel for the heating tower, as well as just using a nuclear reactor.

[@TheWiseGuyzz]

Yay Nilaus!!!

[@sekohero]

how you Silo not freeze ?

[@tfreview281]

Wouldn’t using nuclear be easier than heating towers? Haven’t played the expansion yet so I’m not sure

[@abebuckingham8198]

Heating towers can use any fuel so you can sustain them with oil products locally rather than import nuclear fuel.

[@BR0KK85]

When you moved the first production plant tile up one tivk you moved the power pole. Makes me nutz. Go change that so i can sleep again please😢😂🎉😅

[@Liwet.]

Why aren't you using Solid Fuel for power? It looks like it's infinite.

[@wittyharp2869]

The rocket fuel is too. Just takes another pump from the infinite ocean really.

[@korsaircandyman13]

With all the new technologies and the advanced asteroid crushing, can't you make rocket fuel from space platforms? Carbon>Coal>Liquefaction>Heavy Oil Cracking>Light Oil and Solid Fuel>Rocket Fuel?

[@emperortgp2424]

seems like it would be extremely inefficient

[@Mansu666]

I cant see lots of videos who has made it there "Aquillo"

[@JasonAWilliams-IS]

I wonder if nuclear fuel in the burners would be good?

[@submachinegun5737]

Based on the fuel value of fuel cells vs nuclear fuel and the crafting cost, even despite the 250% efficiency of the burner tower it’s still always worth it to use nuclear reactors if you can.

[@hatrian]

If you’re shipping in fuel, rocket fuel actually had a higher energy density per storage slot, and can be made for free in multiple places.

[@submachinegun5737]

@@hatrian Rocket fuel can be made for free on aquilo, so zero point in importing it long term

[@CraigTremblay]

I am getting "expired invite" when I try to join the Discord, is it down?

[@Breukerle]

Hey there! I am using your recycler design in my save as well but it keeps locking up with gears/iron plates. is there a reason for that? i cant see it locking up in your videos

[@ZZEFIRKA]

Did you put priorities on the balancers to the output of recyclers where new scrap line and access resources line meet?

[@joe13squirrel]

It's funny how you solve the complicated things but when you find a simple issue you solve it, then say naah and do it 10 more times in different ways for no real reason

[@joeri002]

why not just use the option to discard everything from the spacehub instead of using inserters in purple chests? makes no sense lol

[@OniNaito]

Interesting. I didn't realize that the landing pad sends its content list to the logistic network. Makes perfect sense in hindsight. You're absolutely right. With the "circuit magic" Nilaus did in episode 7 (22:50) it isn't necessary to push the items out to active provider chests. Just use trash unrequested and it will sort itself out. Well played!

[@ptaq40]

🥶🥶

[@ugthefluffster]

why not use nuclear fuel?

[@stinkystink9830]

Try it and you tell me

[@OrchidAlloy]

Too expensive to rocket up

​@@OrchidAlloy not really, I ship it just fine. Maybe your base is just too small?

[@OrchidAlloy]

My base has a good personality

[@СуходубовПавел]

No jokes only nuclear 4*4

[@lolkeksik-k9t]

Will you go to the shatered planet?

[@stinkystink9830]

Be patient

[@indifly]

👍

[@wittyharp2869]

Why did you bother with temporary designs instead of just building with cryos from the beginning? You get more than enough ore from the rocks on the island to smelt enough plates for ~20 of them, takes one stone furnace to not bother with a temporary design at all. Next video is even sillier, two whole block designs that are pointless five minutes later

[@lolkeksik-k9t]

5th

[@Logically_Fallacious]

As a man from Portugal, I'm offended by your pronunciation of Aquilo. Luckily, Trump won, so my feigned delusional, prissy, solipsist view of the world is no longer a thing. Muhahahahaha!

[@OniNaito]

Ah-Key-Low as opposed to Uh-Kwill-Oh?

Funny that you mention Trump, Nilaus is from Germany

[@Logically_Fallacious]

Does Nilaus have the same pedigree as PM Scholz, i.e., Fritz von Scholz his dad which served in the *_S_* trong *_S_* ausages? Then again, it does give me insight into why Nilaus is so freakin' smart... and why he has no time for bosses that were his intellectual inferiors... there are plenty of Germans that are off the charts smart...