Arcane Season 2 - You had it all and you BLEW IT

From BSUP #48.
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Greg Owen | / @gregowen2022
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Produced by DarkHour | / @darkhouryt

[@PirateKingBoros]

Me to the general audience: “You’re sad because of what happened in the plot. I’m sad because of what happened TO the plot. We are not the same.”

[@blacktigerpaw1]

People are more concerned about their ships than the story. I hate it because of what they did to the plot and Viktor included.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@ Dawg I hate what they did with Jinx. I’m the biggest Jinx simp you’ll see and I knew she deserved to die a villain probably at the hands of her sister. But now here we are with her having that half assed redemption arc. Smh

[@ETHER3AL2205]

@@PirateKingBorostbh I just don’t see vi ever killing jinx. Maybe it’s possible but idk.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@ Either way we can agree “Jinx Redemption Arc” is an awful alternative to whatever we anticipated for season 2 right?

[@finixmoon127]

@@PirateKingBoros Jinx was never gonna be a full on villain, that would go against everything her character stands for. Her arc in S2 is more of a self reclamation than a redemption, it's her finally letting go of the past and finding her true identity and purpose instead of being influenced by exterior and interior forces that label her and dictate the course of her life. The Jinx we see in the endgame isn't just forged by Silco or her hallucinations anymore, by that point she's both reconciled with Vi, Ekko and even Cait to some extent, she's had closure with Vander and most importantly she's rediscovered Powder through Isha.

[@mishan3168]

Thank you guys. I am glad i am not alone. People seems to only care about ships or coping so hard to not accept the fact how much problems s2 have. Thank all the gods i can still enjoy s1 as complete story.

[@chrishaven1489]

No, no. I care about the ships AND I think the season had problems

[@AndresSztaba]

@@chrishaven1489 Finally someone with the brains lmao...

[@SpyralKing]

No no, I dont care about the ships, in fact the scene with Vi and Cait was too much and felt out of place, but other than a handful of things that werent perfect, the rest was amazing. Still one of the best series ever made tbh.

[@tyguy477]

Why is it that people too regularly assume that if someone enjoys something that they themselves don't, it is automatically coping? Not only are people allowed to like things you don't but there is an infinite amount of reasons why they would. Could we not also, assume, you are suggesting people are coping because it is in fact you who is coping with your perspective?? Make your argument of why you don't like the show and leave it at that. Unsubstantiated blanket attacks on people instead of the content shows you are either ideologically captured or emotionally triggered. Thank all the gods that even if you don't like something, I and others still can......no cope necessary.

[@mishan3168]

@@tyguy477 oh I get you completely. People can definitely enjoy whatever they want - BUT. but. Don't pretend like something perfect if it's clearly not. I enjoy a lot of questionable stuff, but I know exactly why I love something. What is in there. And what is not. With s2 of arcane, in other hand, people pretending like that 10/10 masterpiece or even better than s1. When it's clearly not. At least imho.

[@bobert3335]

I appreciate that Greg voices his support for the show despite it going against the general podcast consensus. I don't agree with him but it's nice that the discussion isn't completely one-sided.

[@christaylor7079]

My only gripe with him is that, in my opinion, story and characters are at least 5-6 points on the 10 point scale and he is giving visuals and sound work way too much weight. From my perspective, great visual and music design can amplify a good story but can’t replace it as a main focus. There’s been lots of things that I’ll give a 9 or 10 to that don’t look great but are extremely compelling; but I can’t do the opposite

[@JPMonster13]

@@christaylor7079 I also think Greg might have rose-coloured glasses because a lot of the heavy lifting is from season 1.

[@FenixReZ]

@@christaylor7079it’s personal taste. However in this regard, I do think visuals should hold a lot of weight due to the type of media. The way the show looks, affects its identity. Arcane’s animation did not degrade and in certain parts overlap season 1. I think that should have merit

[@shazariahl]

I agree with him overall. The Ambessa storyline was interesting, but everything else pulled the story away from that. It could have been Mel vs her mom, much like S1 was Vi vs Jinx, and that could have been fine.

[@dubiousdolphin4470]

I find it insane that Shimmer and the Chem Barons are wiped out off screen in act 1. Like what?

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

This shits retarded and completely ruins the political drama aspect of the show- with the recent war in Gaza, this would've been an even more fucking interesting plot point.

[@s1b3r11]

About the writers... You guys say the reason that the quality dropped was external factors and perhaps in another work the writers will redeem themselves... In reality most of the writers working on S1 has been fired because S2 was being developed during covid. Only 3 original writers were left but there were a lot more of them on S1. That's probably the main reason why the quality was not the same. This and them wanting to concentrate on other regions and rushing the Piltover/Zaun story in consequence.

[@stupidpol]

the writers who were cridited in s1 but absent in s2 are Nick Luddington, Ash Brannon, David Dunne, Ben St. John & Mollie St. John. Christian Linke, Alex Yee, Amanda Overton, Nick Luddington are credited in both s2 and s1. Henry Jones, Graham McNeill, Kristina Felske, Giovanna Sarquis are credited in s2 only.

[@s1b3r11]

@@stupidpol so was Nick Liddington writing for S2 too or not? I've heard that only 3 original writers remained and the rest were fired and replaced. Either way them changing the majority of the team can definitely explain the drop in the quality because those are not the same people.

[@0Sutekinaryuu0]

Oh the misery…

[@newtondood]

Every single character is tism-y

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

I really wish S2 just focused on resolving the Zaun vs. Piltover conflict and took more episodes to build up to Vi and Jinx's fight. That conflict was dropped midway in favor of a robot invasion and mystical mumbo jumbo, even though the magic was only a backdrop to S1's story. Lame. They tried to set up an Avengers Endgame story cramming a million different plotlines in 9 episodes rather than continuing to resolve the main character and plotline conflicts built up from S1. It didn't help that they lost some key S1 writers like Ash Brannon.

[@fenris5932]

They had a scene where Jinx basically all but says to Vi that she's going to kill herself and then she locks her in a cage to keep her away and when Caitlyn comes to get her out, Vi's immediate response is to go muff diving. They wrote that. After all the shit Vi has done because she cares about Jinx, they wrote that. Never mind the existence of traitor cuck girl who was a bizarre character they also introduced. I DUNNO GUYS, I FEEL LIKE IF I SAW MY SIBLING'S SUICIDE NOTE, POONTANG WOULDNT EXACTLY BE THE FIRST THING ON MY MIND

[@PirateKingBoros]

There’s a reason I despise that character in particular but that scene only made it worse. 💀

[@brian0057]

Vi would sooner think she's gonna wreck some havok than she's gonna commit sudoku. Jinx has both tricked her before, kidnapped her, and tried to kill her. I don't know where people are getting this thing of Vi knowing what Jinx is gonna do.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@brian0057 So your argument is that knowing her sister is an unpredictable terrorist, she still chooses to do nothing, and this makes it better… how?

[@brian0057]

@@PirateKingBoros Because it explains the actions of the character instead of you acting like they assassinated Vi's character. It's almost like Vi telling Caitly: "Say I told you so." was a part of that scene or something.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@brian0057 That doesn’t fix it. Just like Caitlyn’s line about the guards doesn’t either. It’s a byproduct of the nightmarishly bad pacing. It’s ok dude. Your fav show doesn’t have to be perfect.

[@hillwoop9101]

Each act really feels like they should be their own season

[@mlgesus8362]

"it's an 8/10" Everyone lists many points that he cannot dispute "It's an 8/10 and you guys will come around"

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Singed getting a happy ending is the biggest indicator it was rushed. He is responsible for SO much of the death and suffering in the show, yet he somehow gets a happy ending via a two second long clip in the ending slide. That tells me the writers simply didn't have the time to deal with him and just put that in last minute to tie up a lose end.

[@raishirogane7860]

That doesn’t sound like it being rushed that sounds like you’re mad that he got his way

[@Saywhatnow72]

I will agree that the whole season feels rushed and they used the music montages to skip through important character defining moments. And quite a few things are just, " and then" instead of "therfore"

[@theiberianbadger0123]

This show could’ve easily been solved with a season 3. The pacing for me was quite jarring, despite me personally enjoying it in spite of its flaws. Viktor’s ark should’ve taken place at the end of season 2 and encompassing the rest of season 3.

[@Milton2k]

ARCANE only needed more time to be perfect.

[@T.H_orben]

the production time was more than enough in my opinion. But the story needed more time to get to the final they went for. It all felt rushed and overloaded.

[@Milton2k]

@@T.H_orben Agree.

[@dougdynamo9398]

I don't know how well this statement holds up under real scrutiny, but I think if they kept the general narrative beats but made each Act it's own season, it would be a lauded show. I don't know how they would resolve all the issues in Acts 2 & 3, but Act 1 feels like it would've been a great followup to S1 if they just gave the characters more time.

[@taylorlinyard3533]

I genuinely believe this season said if VI died, the entire UNIVERSE would be better. The entire show is because she survived an explosion, because apparently Violet is the center of the universe/the ARCANE anchor being.

[@WickedHumor]

Perhaps. I think the point of that episode was mostly to ground Ekko back in his values and goal for Zaun and set him up for the hero play in e9. But Vi dying had a rippling effect in that Jayce and Viktor would have died as well. To be fair, anyone dying would have probably had the same effect. It's an interesting look into how one event can define the future in a big way.

[@MightyR3dwood]

I get where Greg is coming from wanting to give Season 2 an 8, I wanted to as well through the first 2 acts because I loved Season 1 so much and it was gorgeous animation with some banger music pieces and the characters werent completely assassinated. But as this panel has reaffirmed, the more you think about the plot and character actions, the more things dont make sense and the weaker the show becomes. I am not someone who wants to turn my brain off and enjoy the pretty colors and feel what the show wants me to feel just because it wants to evoke that feeling. The feelings need to be earned and the plot and character actions need to make sense. They do have some good writing, with lots of good setup and payoff, in Season 2; I can see evidence that the fantastic writing quality from Season 1 is still involved. But that can only count for so much when there is also an abundance of weak writing and plot and character motivations. As this panel says, Season 1 reached what some people call "overhyped" status (not overhyped btw, agree with RFT) because the more you thought about and analyzed and dug deeper into Season 1, the stronger it got! That's a hallmark of a masterpiece. That simply isnt the case for Season 2. There are pieces and aspects, little details that you can do that with in the Season, Necrit has done it a lot in his videos. But they are mostly minor plot points or details; fun and cool, but they dont fix the plot/characters/story as a whole. It sucks to be disappointed by something you love so much. Its not as bad as GoT, I dont physically feel ill in my stomach thinking about Season 2 of Arcane like I do thinking about the last 2-3 seasons of GoT, but it does make me sad.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

I agree. Also the great thing with S1 was that you didn’t need to know the lore to appreciate the show. But with S2 it’s the opposite, the most intriguing aspects are the lore implications _outside_ of the show. Things like Singed allying with Noxus, or the references to Swain and Leblanc. If you know LoL lore then those are interesting, but otherwise you probably won’t care, because the show never gives you a reason to. To me it felt much too close to key-jangling.

[@daikhairai7194]

35:30 yes finally somone else recognized the absolute destruction of VI in that sex scene because she shouldn't be thinking of anything of the sort while jinx is potentially going to kill herself but VI is too horny to bother with that. 24:00 no that doesn't happen, their conversation is purely spoken about vanders use to Victor while victor having made physical contact with singed recognizes the mad dr's true motivations. While victor has the deeper understanding of singed motivation, singed doesn't know that victor is aware of this and so they're talking at cross purposes.

[@brian0057]

Vi would sooner think she's gonna wreck some havok than she's gonna commit sudoku. Jinx has both tricked her before, kidnapped her, and tried to kill her. I don't know where people are getting this thing of Vi knowing what Jinx is gonna do.

[@chrishaven1489]

Vi didn't know Jinx was gonna commit suicide. It doesn't really make sense to give Vi her blessing to be happy with Caitlyn and burden her with her suicide note at the same time

[@daikhairai7194]

@@brian0057 it's not a matter of absolute certainty it's the balance of probabilities and if any of the possibilities you can think of, suicide is amongst them, even on the lowest end you must act in accordance to the possibilities that contain lethal outcomes. Wether suicide or murder. Deciding to believe that Violet thinks Jinx is going to "wreck some havoc" doesn't improve the situation it merely shifts her callousness or incompetence in writing, given that it is the exception rather than the rules that actions by jinx involve anything non-lethal rather than a rather expeditious body count. If I chose to deem your option as true then they've written a horns of epicures scene here, either we accept that VI doesn't care that jinx will kill herself or can't put it together - VI doesn't care that jinx will go off on another killing spree or can't put that together.. but beyond this we have even more options for bad, given that the noxian involvement should recognize jinx as a great threat and weapon builder jinx will likely by tracked down by their nation and killed or captured to possibly be forced to produce weaponry for them, noxian are enemies now so that's bad. "Let's put that explosive potential for good" it's an impending existential threat and you're about to lose a highly lethal ranged asset, so that's bad, regardless whether or not VI understands the grandeur of the impending threat. Assuming none of these if Violet doesn't think anything other than jinx will just runaway then Vi will lose her sister potentially forever given that jinx isn't exactly stable and given her impulsive violent nature she's more likely than not to create another incident warranting her arrest somewhere else. None of these function. The best scenario is a conversation before jinx escaped in which Caitlyn acquiesces and accepts the option to make room for jinx to potentially be pardoned or merely lessen the sentence for her crimes on the basis of her participation in the coming war. ----> Lesbo Sex scene---- post coitus, VI goes to jinx to give her the news---> ESCAPE. this scene can be salvaged by simply switching it's placement in its timeline.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

I would be really interested to see LP do an Arcane S2 breakdown.

[@The_Isaiahnator]

18:19 You guys are pretty astute, since Ambessa is getting a tie-in novel in March of next year. I get the impression that they left her deeper motivations vague in order to expand upon them there.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

It is such a huge jump we have robot Jesus, and the multiverse this season feel like a cluster f*ck because Riot want to sell more skins.

[@marcthomas5949]

They way vi and Catlyn decided to fk and eat carpet in the same jail cell her sister just locked her in before running off looking very depressed and suicidel after having what she would consider her daughter kill herself in a sacrifical way that achieved nothing while a threat of war is slowly approaching their doorsteps from the person she just betrayed and injured vi for after spening a prolong time seeking vengeance to kill said persons sister is just full of the exaggerated toxic stereotype of a lesbian relationship It gives me depression thinking about how they slowly worked up to it in season 1

[@WickedHumor]

I would disagree on several points. Vi didn't know Jinx was suicidal, evidenced by her first line to Caitlyn when she finds Vi. Also, Caitlyn coming to her demonstrates she has let go of her hate for Jinx in favor of her love for Vi. She knew Vi would come to get Jinx, and she made it easy to do on purpose. She was saying, "I know you can't help but save Jinx, so I'm not going after her anymore because I value love more than my revenge." She probably had a good idea that Isha was important to Jinx, so I agree with you there. I think acknowledging her existence after her death would have been good. Isha's only role was to pull Jinx from apathy back towards redemption and help her fix her relationship with Vi, but it was a big part of the arc.

[@jariel2568]

Agree with almost all of this! enjoy the podcast keep going gents.

[@belsprout]

There were so many other ways the writers could have done that sex scene. Like when the scene starts we see Vi's knuckles are bloody from punching the wall. Caitlyn could have had that brief conversation with her and then said "let's patch you up", cut to dressing her wounds in the Kiramman mansion and then boom have sex. Doing it in the jail cell that your sister bled and wanted to die in just feels so wrong. I don't know what the writers were thinking.

[@chrishaven1489]

Vi didn't know about Jinx wanting to die. That's not really fair. The optics might look bad but Vi didn't do anything wrong

[@CzarsSalad]

You must be a great writer... Probably you want to show us a better script

[@WickedHumor]

This is actually a scene I think was done pretty well. It may have felt sudden, but they had a proper slow burn through 2 seasons and the climax(no pun intended) felt earned. There's also plenty of context and meaning to the scene, it's not just "hot people hooking up".

[@dUCkslF]

S1 was so good it was going to be hard to make S2 better. Despite it's flaws I still enjoyed s2

[@michaelburbidge5835]

Greg is killing me

[@TheNoonish]

Seriously. It's not "worse than I was expecting." It's trash. The character writing went from phenemonal in season 1 to "and then this happens" in season 2.

[@chrishaven1489]

@@TheNoonish While I did have issues with the season, I do feel compelled to defend it against it being called "trash". It's not trash. It's still good. Just nowhere near as good as it could've been

[@TheNoonish]

@@chrishaven1489 the animation is very good. The music is strong. But the actual writing is garbage tier. Everything positive about it is the actual work with the characters that was done in season 1, so I still want to like them, but I can’t reconcile the characters I used to like with their actions and decisions in season 2. Even if they end up at a place I could justify, I have to write the path to reach it in my head because major shifts in outlook occur offscreen. That was not the season 1 approach to character writing. You likely think it’s not so bad because you’re projecting the good writing of season 1 onto it. The characters LOOK the same, and SOUND the same, but they are not.

[@chrishaven1489]

@@TheNoonish "But the actual writing is garbage tier" I only half-agree. I thought the writing was actually good, but it was very clear the writers were hamstrung by time constraints. The writers did their best with their hands tied behind their backs. I don't blame the writers. I blame the numpty(s) who thought it was a good idea to shove this story into 2 seasons instead of 3. Because it's obvious this story needed an extra season to breathe

[@bring-out]

@@chrishaven1489 " I thought the writing was actually good, but it was very clear the writers were hamstrung by time constraints. The writers did their best with their hands tied behind their backs" This is such cope take. Constraints on time or number of pages is part of the writing craft. If you shove too much things in your writing resulting in a disjointed and rushed story you fail as a writer.

[@Valehass]

Season one of Arcane was written by two blokes with a long credit of writing. Season two was written by a woman with zero writing credits who was from what I can tell a script coordinator, whatever the hell that is.

[@stupidpol]

can you please share a link? imdb references very few writers (i guess heads of teams). but i can't find the full list.

[@uraniumsgloriousjunkyard6194]

If I had to summarize this season in one word it would be "disappointing". The animation, music, and voice acting were as good as the first season. Unfortunately, the most important part, the writing, was not nearly as good as the first in my opinion. It felt like the writers decided to take the story in a different direction but didn't have enough episodes to make the transition smooth. This resulted in some characters changing way too fast in ways that made no sense to who they were at the end of the first season. This made some plots and character arcs carefully built during the first season just crumble into dust losing all momentum. For example, my and many others' favorite character Jinx. Vi did too little too late, Powder is dead, and She is fully embracing the identity of Jinx now. With Shimmer running in her veins and the guilt and pain of killing Silco, she is less stable and more destructive than ever. And to cement her final transformation into a villainous force of chaos she blows up the council. An act that should have big consequences for her and the entire story. The first season clearly built Jinx up as one of the big villains in the next one. And yet in season 2, she acts more like Powder than ever. Her psychosis is gone, her urges for mass destruction are gone, and she is just so passive. In other cases, some of the new storylines and characters didn't have enough time to come into the story organically and so they just showed up out of nowhere. Some like The Black Rose were so rushed they felt completely redundant. These new storylines take time and resources other well-established and more important ones needed desperately. For example, the struggle between Piltover and Zaun (the main theme of season 1) completely disappears by episodes 3-4 or so. This is replaced by a much less interesting main plot of uniting against a magical inhuman enemy to save the world. If they had more episodes maybe they could have made both storylines work and feel organic. But with what little time they had we got two rushed and unsatisfying main plots. It feels so forced to me. This is just the tip of the iceberg of the problems I had with the writing of this season. And yet most others seem to love this season, it is rated as well if not better than the first from what I saw. It made me question my take on it. Maybe I missed something. And yet the more I think about it the less I like it. Rewatching some episodes just made me more critical as I found more problems I missed. Now I don't think season 2 was bad overall by any means, but it is far from the 10/10 that the first was.

[@TheHawkssong]

I feel they messed up Ambessa and Mel`s character. As a Black women I loved the diversity between Mel and Ambessa, one was masculine and a warrior, the other, Mel was feminine, beautiful and intelligent, something the media rarely lets dark skinned Black women portray. Mel also got the masculine guy in the show. It seems as though the new writers were catering to the small population of LGBTQ+ fans who shipped Jayce and Victor as more then brothers and friends. In my opinion it was apart of these folks anti-Blackness and hatred for masculine men and feminine women. They also sprinkled trans colors all over the place in the scene where they were looking of Vander in the tunnel. All the Antifa references with the very noticeable focus on all the masculine blue haired women and fem looking men. They killed off all the masculine looking men and emasculated Jayce, I hated the way they implied there was something going on between them two. Vi, one of my favorite characters, was played down in season 2 and her and Caitlyn deserved way better than that nasty prison sex scene. They used Vander and killed him over and over again. They lost three of the original writers and it really shows. At least we have season one.

[@stupidpol]

> All the Antifa references with the very noticeable focus on all the masculine blue haired women and fem looking men. i noticed it, too. in s1, the conflict and resistance is all about the working class. in s2, they replaced the working class with apparently blue haired middle class college graduates.

[@nslater1388]

I feel season 2 lost the complexity of season 1. The plot, the characters and the world were very complex, and nothing and no one was simply one thing. Then in season 2 all that was thrown out the window to speed straight ahead with little to no nuances on any level.

[@TheTpro83]

Riot always set up the show as prequel and you can only deviate from the source lore so much. Since the super duper official canonization of this show, the meta knowledge is allowed to be used to hold the show accountable. The fact Heimerdinger never got identified as a Yordle ruins so much background for the character. The antagonists were the strong point of the show that dragged the protagnoists along. Without Silco to attract everything, the plot does fall. So in Season 2, Renatta Glasc, who should be here at this time, could be the new boss of Zuan. She is no where to be found. Season 2 is terrible and never pays off anything. But Season 1 laid this foundation and had its cracks for this to happen.

[@kstarcstarplays]

Something my boyfriend isn't sure on and I am uncertain of either is that lore wise, Yordles disguise themselves in Runeterra through magic, mainly putting this out for people who don't know league lore. Something he thought would be neat is if at least in one scene we saw Heims reflection to see if the disguise is active but its just the audience who sees them in their true form. Would be neat detail but sadly we get NONE OF THAT, if I recall. however, it feels more like a headcannon as it seems yordles just dont need disguises as it seems, who knows. Also I'm kinda gland Renata wasn't brought into Arcane season 2 just for the soul purpose I don't want my fav support to be damaged by shit writting! Is it to late to decanonize Arcane?

[@waffen98]

Not even true, they completely retconed Viktor’s character from the game.

[@nslater1388]

Sorry Greg, but the more you watch and think about season 2, the worse it gets. Hell, even the fight scenes are far inferior to the first season. Warwick's fights amount to mostly slowmo shots.

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

Yeah, season 2 overuses the slow motion stuff way too much during fight scenes.

[@quigsthevicious]

Warwick survived Vik's death, I think, because Singed stabbed him prior to his evolution with the do-dad that was meant to stop Vik from saving the man inside the beast in episode 6.

[@kstarcstarplays]

Whats funny is if Riot wants to move on to other projects (its very obvious with how bad this was handled) they coulda strictly focused on Piltover and Zaun with SUBTLE hints to the Arcane (100% sure the Arcane is tied to void in someway and shape form for any leaguers out there that know of the lore), throw in subtlety for the black rose, HELL we get F-ing crows that are spying for SWAIN of Noxus, just put in subtle visual representation or lines referencing to certain things that on first viewing seems to just be worthless world building but actually is a hint to a bigger thread somewhere else. Take the tree in Zaun in the fireflys hideout, its getting affected by the Arcane, okay where do we take that premise... Demacia and how the pertracite trees interact with the Arcane but have there be a focus of the trees being altered somehow from the Arcane or better yet IONIA!!! The most mystical and magical land in all of Runeterra, or even Ixtal (cant recall how its spelled but Qiyanas homeland) and show those same effects but much graver. Heck they could knock two birds with one stone with Ionia in particular because of the WAR WITH NOXUS on Ionias front and Noxus invading them. That is a thing in the lore for crying outloud, AN ACTIVE ONE! It just sucks alot of people are praising season 2 and even saying its better then season 1 from what I been seeing but they don't want to acknowledge or care about the characters. It's mainly the ships they like and the shit fight scenes that are horribly choreographed for the most part (Sneech vers Savika is the worst handled which sucks given how the lil guy fights). Also if the writers REALLY wanted a god damn "scene" with and Cait... either dont have them break up and just do that scene and out of the way in the beginning of the damn season or save it for the final episode AFTER THE WAR/BATTLE!!! Personally... that kind of scene shouldnt have happened or at the very least be subtle but not in the MIDDLE OF AN IMPENDING FIGHT!! Anyway, sorry for the long tirade, I truely hate having my hopes up for this season cause I HOPED Arcane wouldn't get this kind of treatment that so many shows get now adays... We can't have nice things can we. Anyway, keep up the great work fellas and to all who read this, have a splendid day and or night.

[@Swordcery]

Greg is describing a 3/10 show and going through all the problems and coming out with “8/10” …why?

[@Xemnes135869]

Cuz it isnt bad. It's rushed yea but it's still very complex, very good written with great characters ans the best Animation ever created. Every mistake comes from that one flaw that its rushed. Thats it.

[@DontEvenLiftBro]

I think the main problem is just the fact the the show went from a phenomenal masterpiece to basically just another good show. It’s not terrible, just not S1.

[@averageds3player699]

the writers had marvel brain, which is to say they are dumb

[@thetr33wizard70]

I suddenly got the sense that the show was handed over to theater kids. You know the ones, melodramatic, short sighted, and not quite talented. This reeks of "my feelings and gayness matter. SO. MUCH!"

[@chrishaven1489]

No. There were issues with this season. Gayness wasn't one of them. The problem with the show was that it needed another season to fully flesh out the story that they wanted to tell

[@thetr33wizard70]

@chrishaven1489 right, I remember saying gayness was the problem too... but agreed, they rushed the arcs along for reasons. Which is gay.

[@chrishaven1489]

@@thetr33wizard70 "This reeks of "my feelings and gayness matter. SO. MUCH!"" This sounds like a gayness complaint

[@ronalddepesa6221]

You guys are out of touch. Season 2 was amazing. Wow

[@user-dl1in6jf2q]

Thanks Guys, good to see some people can spot and have the balls to point out the bullshit of season 2. See rant below and enjoy! Where to begin.... I suppose it's best to start with the fact that I was and still am a huge fan of season 1 of Arcane, but season 2 leaves me disappointed and ANGRY!!! So that is where the vitriol is aimed at. Fair Warning: Spoilers ahead, if you haven't watched it's your problem. In summary? The show is no longer about Piltover and Zuan, it is no longer about the strife between the two cities, no longer about the suffering of Zuanites and the indifference of Pilties, no longer even about the heroines you find in the respective cities. Now it is all about stopping a magical nuke from killing everyone and that forces all the character plotlines to just fit in with that outcome, no matter how absurd. It stinks of senseless multiverse crap, yes I will throw in that comparison because it is deserved! None of the magic is properly explained, no one knows how it works, and everyone needs to pretend that they do in order to try to enjoy the emotional beats of the show, but they fall flat. Combine that with humiliating fan service (seriously, it's like shitty written fanfiction sometimes, especially episode 5 where Vander is back and you get an idyllic little family reunion, and episode 7 which is pure textbook fanfiction with no explanation and everything is perfect in an alternate universe) and pandering to gay relationships over actually using the screen time to insert some common sense character development or fix some plot holes (no offense to gays but guys come on, you have to admit it's true). You can try and argue that the root cause is the rushed pacing, but no, the rushed plot lines just amplifies all the existing problems. P.S. Sorry for the long summary but the horror is fresh in my mind. :( Almost none of the characters undergo meaningful character development (nothing that feels believable at least) and their respective plot lines do not make sense. So many things are forced and not believable, and when you deprive a story of its logical foundation, the emotional climaxes fall flat. Honestly by the time Isha sacrificed herself (if you know you know), I felt nothing because the damage was already done. The show is no longer focused on the characters, they just force them to follow the narrative that will give them the ending the writers are aiming for. Horrible! Examples -> Caitlyn is set up to be a vengeful dictator, but her hate for Jinx is shown to be half-hearted at best during act 2 and it feels like they just abandoned that plot line. Jinx learns nothing from the start to the end of season 2, she only took the time to realize that the only solution to her suffering is suicide, and Ekko just pulls her out of the deepest darkest psychological pit she has been in to date with a single conversation we do not even see. Even if Ekko rewinded time a thousand times he would not have been able to change an outcome that has been building an entire season. Vi learns how to not simp for a girlfriend in act 1 and that is about it. Victor does not make sense. Period. You cannot honestly tell me he was unaware of the fact that he is zombifying his followers or that he believed it was fine?. Mel figured out she was a mage at the ripe age of like.... 30 or something? Congratulations! It just goes on... The time skips and montages are (mostly) not doing this show any favors. Didn't see any war/occupation crimes, how did Jinx first become a symbol, not feeling any sympathy for Vi since her little emotional spiral was dumbed down to a music video, all of the turmoil in the undercity was also summed up to a music video in episode 2 and it would have been nice to get some more details, etc. Vander being Warwick is something we all knew, but for him to be the super glue that just suddenly gets Vi and Jinx back together after EVERYTHING that has happened, is cheap writing. They should have just kept his real identity as Vander a secret and worked with that. Caitlyn and Vi getting back together after a few minutes of conversation, with Caitlyn deciding to betray Ambessa right then and there is b*llsh*t and we know it. Lorris is a guy that seems important to Vi and then just vanishes by the way. Plot setups go down the shi**er this season. Season 1 was great because they focused on the characters and what they would do and feel given the circumstances they were in. Hextech and Shimmer were only used to add spice to the story. In season 2, it is the other way around where the plotline shifts to magical doomsday and the characters are sidelined as a result, honestly it is very hard for me to believe the same people were responsible for season 1. You had to be intelligent and committed in order to create something as good as season 1 and it just looks like they stopped caring along the way to season 2. Maddie's plot line was the most petty cr*p I've ever seen. They copied a trope into Arcane for sh*ts and giggles. And that leads me into another problem. Arcane needs to decide if it wants to be a Parody or a Tragedy, you can't be both and this is basic writing 101. In season 1, humor was used appropriately and the show was a brilliant tragedy through and through. In season 2 we literally have an enforcer insulting Jinx instead of arresting her when she is trespassing on Stillwater prison grounds.... How the **** am I supposed to take the show seriously for that? Jinx and Vi have a sibling squabble when they finally reunite instead of talking about literally anything meaningful that has happened between the two of them. How the **** am I supposed to take the show seriously for that? Even though it was a cute fight, how? How the hell do I take that seriously? Tragedy or parody, choose and stick to it! Bloody hell, it felt like I was watching an episode from the fricken Simpsons at times. It really makes you wonder what could have been... If the writers hadn't decided to do this. And I don't know why. They cannot be incompetent because then season 1 would never have been as good as it was. Were they just to stubborn to change the story when they realized it wasn't going to work? Was the budget gone and they had to make due? Was there a significant change in leadership or someone resigned? Did they stop giving a sh*t (most likely case I believe)? Why why why???? We will never know for certain the real reason. I hope you enjoyed listening to a fan driven crazy by horror for however long it took you to read this monstrosity. :) Now be nice and wish me luck while I try to get over this disappointment. And finally to all the show writers of Arcane season 2, from the most important to the least important, I give to you, from the bottom of my heart, the one-finger salute. Enjoy the rest of your careers.

[@shadowgamer4306]

Agree with everything you said.

[@AndresSztaba]

Agree on some, disagree on some other. The "outcome" to put it that way, to me was somewhat good, or the plot idea. now, what baffles me is how they rushed and summed up in very few meaningful dialogues and montages all character development. I mean, not that the conversations between the sisters had some weight into them, but could have used some more, like showing part of how Jinx realized/came up with the realization of her being sort of a burden or obstacle in Vi's life and that she was gong to walk away to not bother her anymore, then we don't even get to see vi coming to terms or accepting this decision, only that she was left mortificating herself again and suddenly accepted that Idk, why not put on screen how that conversation went, how Vi processed it (yes we know Vi is not the smartest one out there tho) so she could move on, maybe?. Same applies to the story between Vi and Cait. I have no issue that they made her gay/lesbian/whatever (as a former League player, there were hints in their shared backstory to that, tho not confirmed, but i digress), but their kiss-then sudden breakup-Vi depressed-dictator Cait-bang in jail to reconcile arc was too rushed for me. Want to make them break up to make them get together again (regardless of explicit scene or not, not my point here) at some point further into the story? Great, apart from whatever explicit scene you include and whatever gesture/subtlety/nuance/you name it that is depicted there, why not work on some more meaningful dialogue between both characters to show that the one that screwed up the most feels some regret, you don't need to go full "I apologize, me bad", but imply that with a more subtle or implicit ways to say it, followed by any action you come up with, so that moment has more "emotion" so to speak because of all the character stories involved. The most issue I take is how dirty they done Vi (not that the others weren't dealt a similar hand), but that's the character I related the most during both seasons, they just didn't show her growing not even a tiny bit, only that she went on a self-destructive spiral. That Vander/Warwick section was just baffling to me, are they really saying that mutated and mutilated monster was somehow still "savable"? Wtf were they thinking, it would be better serving if they just showed he got some past memories but because of his frenzy/bloodthirst he was unredeemable and trying to do so would only bring both traumatized sisters even more pain. Regarding Ekko, Jayce and all that alternate reality stuff, I mean, League has some stories of alternate universes and yada yada yada, but they dragged that one just too much and gave it a bit too much time. The magic stuff I have to disagree, to me the only ones that "need to know how it works" are maybe two or three characters out of them all (let's put Viktor, Ekko and Jayce in that category) so it can be described as "mysterious" to the rest, yes, sounds cliche enough, but in my logic, still works out. The other problem with this part is how fast it blends in with the other section of the plot, that strife between Pilties and Zaunites, i can't come up with anything to it, as I can't imagine how to tell that story, it escapes my mind, but still leaves me that feeling of not being enough of it. We KNOW THE REASON WHY most of thhis happened, they (well, it was one of the writers via some Q&A in twitter) said Riot just reduced the writing department to only three of the original writers, so it can partially be attributed to that. I get your feels about that, as I partially share what you are saying, but on the other hand I can understand (story-wise let's say) where they ended up, and somewhat why, but in line with you, can't understand the how of it all... PS: even after the rant of my own, I'm still willing to understand any sort of perspective over this show, so, as long as there's some rationale, count me in for any exchange lol

[@user-dl1in6jf2q]

@@AndresSztaba Thanks for the opinion. Didn't hear about any of that stuff regarding the writers though it would make sense if it is the case. Now that the show is over and done with and the second season being such a big letdown, I'm just not feeling the urge to even think about it anymore. I'm actually just so disinterested, it's sad really, especially since the first season was so good.

[@giuliamentrasti422]

I want a complete reweite of this season maybe by splitting into 3

[@austrociking4345]

Probably my biggest gripe, the one thing I can’t overlook or forgive is the final conflict. There is absolutely ZERO purpose for ANY of the conflicts to happen or be resolved. None of them have any bearing or affect aside from Jayce being in the anomaly room ready to confront Viktor and Ekko showing up. Literally everyone else might as well not be there

[@STOTTINMAD]

The most fascinating fallout from this season is the reaction of the core fanbase. By that I mean those who are in the trenches day in, day out playing LoL. Each main has their own sub and Viktor's in particular has not been all that charitable

[@pegah_di]

Both seasons of arcane should be taught to writing pupils. For different reasons of course.

[@jamida5287]

It feels like the writers, director, staff, and storyboard team didn’t bother to review a recap of Season 1, given how disjointed it was and how poorly it connects to the first season.

[@the-hooded-man]

Not a huge fan of the show, but episode 3 of season 1 was outstanding and brutal. Such a pity they went full Game Of Thrones season 8 in season 2.😔

[@jonasstuke528]

Litterally not the case

[@V0SRU]

I badly wanted to love this season. I still liked it, but my biggest issue was Viktor suddenly becoming full antagonist. Before that, he only helped people who willingly sought him out, and then he just decides that everyone should be subjected to this “glorious evolution” fate. It’s so ridiculous because of how out of character this is for Viktor. It could’ve been explained with the hexcore controlling him, but he later reverses everything he did. A few extra episodes and tweaks would have definitely helped

[@Doomchild2XL]

I wish I knew who was talking...

[@angelcrush3320]

me too brother, so annoying >.>

[@chairhead3696]

Arcane season two. I just found it confusing as fuck !. Plus the heavy onus on music became a little annoying . Don’t get me wrong , the music was great, but just not when I’m trying to watch a tv show…

[@caiuscosades362]

Arcane s1 wasn’t a new hope, it was the original trilogy and now we’ve skipped the prequels to the Disney trilogy and It will be Disney’s Star Wars from now on.

[@heikira438]

And no one still knows the names of shield man, fish man, new lesbian, or mute child. All I know was that I was so happy when mute child died

[@dertgok9813]

Shield man is Loris, new lesbian is Maddie Nolen, mute child is Isha. All their names exept fish man name were clearly pronounced in the show, speedwatcher.

[@heikira438]

@dertgok9813 I'm pretty sure you made those names up.

[@Kantorek17]

@@heikira438 Nah they're legit, but still like 2/3 of those characters suck and are absolutely pointless 💀Like cut them out and nothing will change, even more so you'd have more screen time for the main cast. All suck except the mute child since she could be a really interesting addition to the Jinx story if provided with good writing, but there's none in this season

[@dertgok9813]

@@Kantorek17 Your take is retarted.

[@heikira438]

@@Kantorek17 Nah, they are made up

[@CzarsSalad]

Again contrarians wanna be the cool kids

[@ronalddepesa6221]

Bingos exactly. And it's always INCEL/INCEL adjacent types

[@Crisilac]

AYYYYYEEEEEE, GREG OWEN SHOWING UP! I discovered him recently, and I've really liked his takes on... almost everything. So glad to see him joining the crew. Hopefully he gets on EFAP at some point. (Now having listened farther, this is one of the times I disagree with him, but my happiness stands)

[@nicholasm.3919]

I mostly agree with Greg. S2 was way rushed with a bit too much going on.

[@ronb2008]

People need to stop pretending S2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread. People ALSO need to stop pretending that it’s trash like The Acolyte or She Hulk; those saying it is are letting their disappointment cloud their judgement. The truth is it’s somewhere in the middle. Was it rushed, messy, and disappointing? ABSOLUTELY. But not trash.

[@ciege7486]

It's at best a 5 out of 10

[@ronb2008]

@ I gave it a 7.5. But I can absolutely understand why some gave it 4s, 5s, or 6s.

[@powerfist1340]

@@ronb2008 a 7.5 is a recoverable, mid season. it destroyed characters, and left no chance of continuing anything related to the series - while also doing significant damage to the setting by outright breaking lore that was *explicitly confirmed to be canon to it* in the leadup to the new season. It's a 3-4/10. With heavy re-writing it could be salvaged, but as it is it sucks, bad.

[@ronb2008]

@@powerfist1340 I disagree, respectfully of course. I think there was a decent enough story, they just didn't give it nearly enough time to breathe. An extra season, and in my opinion two, could've made the show something really special. Or they just needed to cut significantly what they had. They clearly made an effort but were more focused on amazing visuals and getting the characters from A-Z than taking the time to do it right. Hence all the montages. As a non LoL player, I couldn't care less about what's cannon. I just want to see a good story. What we got was an incredible looking, well acted decent one that had a ton of potential but wasn't long enough.

[@christhechilled]

Personally, the show is a perfect 8/10 😂

[@vla1ne]

My only real question, is that if you have an opp tied up and passed out on the table, why even let them live? Most of the end issues in the season to me, came from people getting to live that were dead to rights. The black rose has you tied to a table and are fully ready to body you? They monologue till you can get free. You have your target on their knees ready to go? Glat about how great you are in as much detail as possible. Wasn't as terrible as some other shows i could name, but there were some truly "you deserve to lose for your terrible choices" moments in this season.

[@GladwinAbel]

I don’t see anything done to the character of Ekko

[@greyknight627]

You have to cope really hard to give this season an 8.5 out of 10. I can understand a 6 if you are putting a lot of stock in the animation, but anything higher you are justifying something not worth justifying. Saying you liked aspects like story/tragedy, or felt stuff was thematically great does not mean it’s so. Opinions are fine, but they can also be wrong. Case in point.

[@michaelh13]

Good god, cheer up you miserable bastard

[@tulk3747]

The music montages, were just for saving money on animation scenes. Also Why would Echo ever want to go back to the "shitty universe" I would have stayed. He gets the Girl, his Father figure guy who raised him was still alive, etc. No no no let me get back to where everything has going to hell and My life is in danger.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@tulk3747 So you’d let all your real loved ones die while you parasitically leeched the happy life away from the innocent you that you were Jordan Peele’s Get Out’ing the body of?

[@kaydenmcdonald9305]

The MV's definitely weren't just to save money. Look at the opening to Blisters and Bedrock. The issue is that they try to treat the MV's as their own self contained scenes rather than set-pieces. And why would ekko not go back? The sole reason he ended up in the anomaly was because he was looking for a solution to a problem that would destroy his community. The whole message of the episode is to live in the now. You can't really do that in a false reality. A massive thing you're overlooking is that this reality is taking place in the arcane. He doesn't know what effects being there could have on himself or even the world around him. And he doesn't know about the birth of cyber jesus or the invasion noxus

[@sergeantkozi]

Yeah but he is very big on duty and helping his friends and people. These people aren’t actually them. Also staying would have mesnt completely stealing the other Echo’s life. It wouldn’t be right. Make’s Heimerdinger’s crazy sacrifice funnier. He killed two for the price of one.

[@liquidsweg4858]

So you don't understand ekkos character at all of you asked that dumb question

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

If she has blue hair, she will soon have an affair.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Just use the Monsterverse "What did you expect?"argument, that's a good trick, right?😅

[@Spacemuhreen]

Singed won.

[@CapoRip]

5:25 Primer is a phenomenal film.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Not seen a tv show fall on its arse in the last series so hard, what a damn shame.

[@angelcrush3320]

what do you mean, it's literally Game of Thrones all over again 😂

[@kingragnarok7302]

Greg sounds easy to please.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Downseys are cool, I don't care what you think.

[@Mr_Sunday_Gary]

That’s a very nice way to put it.

[@AlexAndriy1995]

Hm after ep 5, stopped carrying for how gorgeous show is. It completely lost me emotionally and all that was left few good pieces in river of garbage. Each arc just make it so much worse. Im never coming back to s2

[@Arcanehype]

Well league of legends fans got the magic stuff and loved it

[@paulaogawa]

I feel like if Season 1 was a 10/10, Season 2 was 8-9/10. Your points are absolutely valid, but I think we still got an absolutely mindblowing piece of art. I think you're being incredibly harsh on something that is better than 99% of whats out there :) Also the CaitVi scene was perfect hahah, needed to be longer.

[@stupidpol]

s2 has no story to tell. no conflict. no characters. s2 has tons of actions and activities. but no conflict.

[@fishjones4618]

I skipped this because, frankly, I’ve had enough bait and switches and being set up for disappointment. Besides, there’s over a hundred years of entertainment with infinitely more rewatchability. The last decade can sod off.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

S1 was probably top writing in 3 years.

[@fishjones4618]

@ I used to watch season 1 of Earth: Final Conflict and two and a half seasons of Andromeda (this was before THE MESSAGE infiltrated entertainment) and wistfully wonder what could have been before each show went off the rails. No more.

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

@@fishjones4618 Or you can just watch the first season of Arcane and skip S2 :D

[@tyguy477]

I watched both seasons back to back, it is very obvious they are of equal quality in almost every respect (different highs and different lows). Most of the writing problems were seeded/prevalent in season one and budded/exacerbated in season two. The animation/dialog/music/character motivations were completely on par with each other. I can nitpick season one through a negative lens and write a novel of all the problems. Both are heavily flawed and both are heavily enjoyable This rage bait circle jerk of people criticizing other peoples work that is 10 to 100x better than anything they will ever create is getting exhausting.

[@martinmach831]

Hey so, could you give me some examples of those writing problems from season 1?

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

They are not of equal quality.

[@tyguy477]

@@martinmach831 *The world building was cool but vacuous and paper thin, which is why it didn't hold up as season 2 got vastly bigger in scale. *Jayce goes from being on trial to be exiled and proceeds to break the law again only to be being given a seat on the council, he then proceeds to make unilateral decisions without addressing or getting support from the council, then he gets promoted even higher. When a scientist has a break through they get funding to do more science, not given the highest seat of political power all the while breaking all standard protocol to do so. *Why would Silco set up a trap for the kids when he already had the muscle to easily take out Vander (his only threat), grab the kids at the same time. Realistically there is no need to be worried about the kids in the first place (this is a prime example of Silco knowing the script which tells him these children characters are important) *Vi and Cait instanly fall for each other (this plus Jayce and Mel's relationship plus Jayce's rise to power are all the same type of rushed story that everyone is complaining about in season two). How does A discharged officer have the authority to release a prisoner? *How does Powder find the others after being left behind, she knew nothing of Silco whereabouts at that point. *Jinx can teleport to where ever she needs to be to capture Vi/Cait/Silco (and teleport them back), also somehow knows to hide behind a statue in the middle of a fountain in the middle of an open courtyard to hear Silco needlessly speak out loud a monologue just to himself about them wanting him to turn her in......very convenient. She is my favorite character but she is very much a plot driving Deus ex Machina in both seasons. This is all off the top of my head, I have absolutely no desire go back and watch the show to hyper fixate on it's flaws when it was overwhelmingly great. The only difference is if you like the show you will find the reasons to justify why and if you don't you will find the reasons to justify why you didn't. There is still tons of depth in the story and themes in season 2, over time people will come back to their senses and Season 2 will be less hated on and season 1 will get less glazed. At the end of the day most of the decisions in writing and crafting the story have the same people doing it and it has been mentioned that lots of the writing and storyboarding was being built at the same time.

[@tyguy477]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 For the most part, they absolutely are.

[@AndresSztaba]

@@tyguy477 "How does A discharged officer have the authority to release a prisoner?" Well, there's a dialogue in S1 that says that she falsified a signature, Jayce's, so there's that...

[@NeedsContent]

I see this time and time again. The great failing of this type of analysis is that it fundamentally misunderstands visual metaphor. These guys want the show to be completely deterministic, but the way the scenes slide in and out of visual metaphor makes it clear that it's simply not that kind of story. I do agree on some of the criticisms, but but guys have largely missed the mark.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

IT IS OUTRAGEOUSLY AWFUL

[@jeremiahtorrevillas4396]

Dude its all about lesbian lghbtquhebdhd messaginf that already killss the show

[@Brutalhonesty11]

Pacing aside, It feels like most of you did not understand much. Which is why youre the minority.

[@Canal-01b]

yeah, I have a lot of criticism for this season, but quite a bit of this just sounds like they missed some scenes. Which, considering how quickly the show went over important stuff using a throwaway line or a super quick moment, is not entirely their fault. But still, some parts I was like ''how did you not understand this clearly explained point?".

[@Brutalhonesty11]

@Canal-01b yep i have the same criticisms about pacing, but much of the criticism involves "why wasn't my hand held". Saying they blew the show is so insane this vid can only be explained as clickbait outrage.

[@slei4676]

Could you explain wich things they didn't understand more precisely if I may ask?

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

@@Brutalhonesty11 jumping to “you’re just hating for clicks” is a bad faith argument. Constructive conversations will never go anywhere if people just dismiss opinions based off assumptions.

[@Brutalhonesty11]

@dearthofdoohickeys4703 criticism is a gradient that goes from reasonable to unreasonable. This falls squarely in over the top unreasonable territory. Nuance is dead though.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

Harsh. YOu guys are harsh. Season 2 definitely wasn't without it's flaws. If the plot holes were a result of time and money, although in unfortunate, I can forgive it. I was pleased in the end. But, maybe I'm some simpleton...🤤 🐿

[@Kantorek17]

Nah Season 2 deserves all the criticism. I mean they had such a great intriguing finale in Season 1 that had set path for characters and their future rivalery only to throw it in a trash can and sacrifice two cities and their people story for a funky space Jesus twink and his brother-enemy relationships with his fellow partner

[@brendajameson5093]

​@@Kantorek17I think they were afraid to upset the shippers. A rivalry would have been so much more interesting, but instead Jayce tells Viktor he's beautiful and they die in a loving embrace.

[@Kantorek17]

@@brendajameson5093 It feels like they were afraid to upset everyone. Catevi fans would get upset if their girls won't be together? Booho make them together. Jinx fans would be upset if she goes full psycho and start do what she does best - killing everyone she doesn't like? Booho turn her inter a goodie two shoes Yadda yadda, the season is such a disappointment I smh

[@brendajameson5093]

@@Kantorek17 The writer literally said she felt the pressure from the Cait/Vi shippers and had to make their sex scene "better" than Mel/Jayce since they're the OTP. Like WTF? How about writing the best STORY that fits the characters.

[@Kantorek17]

@@brendajameson5093 This twitter/tumbler collective consciousness is a curse for real 💀

[@shadowgamer4306]

This Greg guy is so annoying. Please do not have him on if you will ever make another video about Arcane Season 2.

[@DarkHourYT]

I'll be sure to take that under advisement

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

Why? Because he has opinions you don’t like? He wasn’t being loud or disrespectful, he wasn’t constantly talking over people. He explained himself calmly and gave reasons for his opinions.

[@DarkHourYT]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 dont worry I don't book guests based on if they like what I like.

[@waffen98]

Riot Games are full of woke trash, glad they dropped the ball.

[@TreiberSeptim]

I checked this out, browsed though the channel, saw the critical drinker in a past vid and shut it off. Sadly, this is all the engagement you‘ll get from me, when I want media takes, I tend to not get them from people who associate with what is probably the least media literate person on this platform.

[@martinmach831]

So you don't judge their takes based on if the make sense or anything like that? You just judge them based on who they sometimes talk to. Makes sense, yeah.

[@TreiberSeptim]

@ yes, I judge people by the company they keep.

[@martinmach831]

@@TreiberSeptim I dont care how you judge people, I am talking about how you judge their take on a specific thing. You do know people you dislike can still have valid takes, right?

[@TreiberSeptim]

@ yes? WHY are you talking about that? Where did I ever claim the opposite?

[@martinmach831]

@@TreiberSeptim You are saying you aren't going to engage with their review because they have some videos with the drinker

[@dertgok9813]

I'm baffled by this critics who didn't pay attention to the show and deem it bad now. I have to say that their opinion is incorrect, and therefore worthless.

[@Mrtorquebowguy]

Greg L

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Radom is the kind of special kid we let talk a lot because we feel sad about him, don't we?

[@Groundash]

You mean Greg? Random was insightful, accurate and even considerate of some of the dumber things said (mainly by Greg) on this segment.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

@@Groundash Nope, I am talking about Random. Greg had the only sensible takes in this segment. Random demonstrated his stupidity. "watched it 3 times and still don't understand what happened" "GoT was ruined by season 8 but apparently 5-7 were OK" This is a very stupid person. I was interested to watch his video about Arcane season 1 being a masterpiece but having seen what a troglodyte he is I expect no original thought. Just parrotign of what smarter people have over the last 3 years.

[@Groundash]

@@Itisoverthere-rw Random said he watched it 3 times and now he DOES understand what happened. Did you watch this segment even once? Or did you skip around and only say you like Greg's take because it matches your own superficial understanding of a catastrophic follow up to one of the best stories told in the last decade?

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

@@Groundash No, he said he watched it 3 times and he still doesn't understand what happened. Almost the entire segment was Radnom being a retard and he proved it with GoT comparison. He doesn't understand what he says. He just parrots what other reviewers say. He couldn't judge season 1 by himself and he can't judge season 2 by himself. The whole coverage from the "greater EFAP community" has been painful and that's coming who has been watching Mauer since he made his Last Jedi Unbridled Rage video and has been following EFAP since 2018. This community has watched too much shit over the last year and it has clearly affected them. I can't explain it differently. Random however, is just a midwit.

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

@@Itisoverthere-rw I'm sorry, Greg doesn't even understand what's happening properly in the show. According to him, Jayce turned into a weird murder hobo because Mel disappeared. What? How is that sensible?When or how could that have happened? Jayce had no idea she was ever gone until he came back from trying to kill Viktor, at least as far as we can tell, and he had already been snapped. The show that exists in that guy's head is not the one that actually exists.

[@stupidpol]

i have done 2 attempts to watch s2, but failed. it's boring. nothing happens. no characters, no conflicts. only placeholders to justify actions. my only hypothesis is writers were given like a week to type the whole script, with a gun to their heads, and the result was put in production with no iterations. another hypothesis - maybe, it's just burnout. they were producing s1 for many years. even the most inspiring project can turn a prison after such a long time. maybe, they just wanted to finish it asap, deliver it at whatever state, and move on. i'm at the moment in this state at my work, and this sloppiness of work, which before i used to really excel in, i recognize it in s2.