Pathfinder:Kingmaker - Mystic Theurge Trapper

[@chrisfewell7932]

Restrictions - Must be some sort of Neutral alignment in order to take Druid levels; Mystic Theurge requires 3 points of Arcana and Religion Race - Elf (for the bow proficiency and INT) Starting Stats after racial mods - STR 10, DEX 16, CON 8, INT 18, WIS 10, CHA 16 Wizard and Mystic Theurge Skills - Trickery, Stealth, Perception (up to +15), Persuasion; Druid Skills - Same as Wizard, + Arcana and Religion; At level 8 onward, put spare points into Use Magic Device till it reaches +20 Level 1 - Vanilla Wizard: Evocation, Hare Familiar (for the initiative bonus. Bonded Object is fine); Feats - Point Blank Shot, Spell Focus: Evocation; Opposition Schools: Necromancy & Divination (No penalty for preparing these from Druid spell book); Spells - Hurricane Bow, Hypnotism, Protection From Alignment, Reduce Person, Shield, Vanish, Burning Hands (Magic Missile, Mage Armor, and Expeditious Retreat can be scribed from scrolls) Level 2 - Feyspeaker Druid (Uses CHA as spell stat. Take this the next 2 levels as well), Fire Domain Bond (Animal Companion does not scale with Mystic Theurge) Level 3 - Feat - Precise Shot Level 4 - +1 INT; Level 5 - Wizard; Feat - Greater Spell Focus: Evocation; Spells - Color Spray, Ear Piercing Scream (primarily used to escape melee) Level 6 - Wizard; Spells - Molten Orb, Burning Arc Level 7 - Mystic Theurge (Take this all the way to 16); Feat - Elemental Focus: Fire; Spells - Web, Scorching Ray? (Already exists in Druid spell book) Level 8 - INT +1; Skills - Same as before, but add +4 to Use Magic Device; Spells - Fireball, Haste Level 9 - Feat: Greater Elemental Focus: Fire; Spells - Protection From Arrows, Slow Level 10 - Spells - Controlled Fireball, Fear (or Enervation) Level 11 - Feat - Heighten Spell; Spells - Acid Arrow, Mirror Image (Both lvl 2) Level 12 - CHA +1 (In order to cast 7th lvl Druid spells later); Spells - Shadow Evocation, Phantasmal Web Level 13 - Feat - Maximize; Spells - Hold Monster (or Polymorph), Cloud Kill Level 14 - Spells - Greater Heroism, Transformation Level 15 - Feat - Spell Penetration; Spells - Hellfire Ray, Acid Fog Level 16 - INT +1; Spells - Polymorph Greater, Elemental Assessor (Is a 6th lvl spell) Level 17 - Wizard from here to 20; Feat - Greater Spell Penetration; Spells - Prismatic Spray, Chain Lightning, (6th lvl) (Don't need to pick up Umbral Strike because it's in Druid Spellbook) Level 18 - Feat - Metamagic (Extend Spell); Spells - Polar Ray, Greater Shout (or Frightful Aspect, or Sun Burst) Level 19 - Feat - Empower (or Spell Focus or another Elemental Focus); Spells - Shadow Evocation Greater, Dragonkind III Level 20 - INT +1; Skills - Raise Arcana up to +8; Spells - Fiery Body, Dominate Monster (or Wail of the Banshee, or Energy Drain) Tactical Notes: Spells in Druid spell book can be memorized in Wizard spell book if extra uses are needed. Used Metamagic to raise Scorching Ray to 5th level to fill the 5th level favored spell slot. Put Cave Fangs into all the Druid spell slots it'll fit into, 2 in 7th and 8th level Wizard slots available then enjoy spamming it. Casting Cave Fangs grants a multiple-use ability. Sense Vitals > Call Lightning Storm combo for fun times with sneak attack. Druid's Natural Rhythm spell is great for your Flurry Monk or other high attacks/round ally. Combo Communal Delay Poison, with Resist Energy: Acid, Protection From Energy: Acid, Feather Step, and Freedom of Movement to be able to walk through a Acid Fog and Cloud Kill area freely. Gain +4 to AC vs. ranged attacks while in the area. Drop Cave Fangs on Entangled/Webbed enemies for kicks and giggles. Don't try walking through Cave Fangs, and be mindful of your melee allies walking into them. Buffed will have 31 AC, +21 to-hit, d8+1 + sneak attack bow damage without any magic gear.

[@Beetlejuice2959]

Starting Con is too low IMO, in addition I'm confused why you are using your primary casting stats as both Int and Char. You would get better casting stats and also improve your DCs and gain bonus spells by using a single one. From combing Sorc / Druid or Cleric, better options are double Wis or Char

[@ArcaneAgent]

I love wizards over sorcerers, because of the ability to use all spells. Yes I should have used 1 spell casting stat. But ive actually been playing this character through the campaign and hes still beefy as a back line archer caster

[@markconway9411]

@@Beetlejuice2959 I agree with you on the Con issue, I probably will just dump Str and make someone else carry stuff. The primary reason you go with Wiz over Sorc though is so you can access 9th level spells. With three levels in anything divine going Sorc means you lose that option.

[@blshouse]

With the fire theme you chose, Emberkin Aasimar and its +2 Int and +2 Chr would be an interesting alternate race pick for this creative character build.

[@ArcaneAgent]

So firey

[@tNuOcCaFrUmS]

you not only get an attack penalty when you are engaged in meelee yourself, but also when the character you are attacking is engaged in meelee somewhere else. that makes precise shot a must have feat for any ranged character.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes, precisely (see what I did there?)

[@osirisgem]

i wish I could see you use the spells in the example you give in their application, it's very much a theory and practice situation that I think would make this a so much more viable guide. It's like you have all the pieces but you are choosing not to put them together for some reason. It would/will serve as a monumental benefit to the viewer seeing your ideas put into action.

[@ArcaneAgent]

It would also make the video a good 30 minutes longer.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I doubt people will stop watching my videos because I don't showcase each and every spell I list in the build

[@cdnarmymedic]

I'll just say that Use Magic Device is probably wasted skill point use. (Unless there are class specific items that you want this character to use). You're able to cast both divine and arcane spells, so most magical items that you would use won't require a UMD check.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Monk robes, alignment restricted items etc

[@neltymind]

This thing is insane. I just thought about a lore-friendly justification for a druid also having arcane spells. I guess there will be a heated discussion about arcane magic being natural or not at the next druid circle meeting. This will lead to a deep ideological split in druid subculture.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Whats your lore friendly justification

[@brothermutant7370]

I didn't know that about the trap spell. Very nice to see it in action.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Glad I can reveal things to my awesome subs!

[@DeltaPi314]

Do a Monk-puncher-wizard/sorcerer/magus-blaster. That is my next character after the current Bomber and Chemical weapons expert. My next charachter will be a Monk that is Bruce lee punchy and can cast spells that both boost him and make him a blaster. Hope it works.

[@t_task]

wow, i didn't even know, the game has traps like these to offer looks really interesting

[@ArcaneAgent]

I discovered them while being a nerd

[@LordBovyn]

@@ArcaneAgent thanks for being a nerd

[@Tentacl]

Wouldn't be better to use empyreal sorcerer with defender of the true world for both wis based, or something like this, not requiring 2 diferent ability scores?

[@Barzarel]

You think it's possible to make a good pet class bow & sickle bard/ranger/druid like class for a chaotic good character, maybe dragon disciple for roleplaying purpose. You know the worriless vagabond type of character with the love for life travelling, adventure, dancing and music. Kinda want to make something like that that is possible to work as frontline person and possible romance setup for Nyrissa.

[@ArcaneAgent]

So you want bard and a pet?

[@Barzarel]

@@ArcaneAgent something like that yes the sorta vagabond type bard build with a travelling companion.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Pet named fifi

[@johnwalker5617]

i'm on hard difficulty and i just buff my fighters and shit doesn't last long enough to do anything,and nok nok is op.The only real thing i get to cast is channel as they rip the enemies apart.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Extreme hard veteran death mode

[@ArcaneAgent]

What kind of build should I put my spin on next? Let me know in the comments!!!

[@TheGameday9]

You do amazing videos and I think I have seen them all now. I would love to see the best Paladin you can build.

[@ArcaneAgent]

What kind of paladin

[@TheGameday9]

I want to see a God King paladin. Super tanky but smites evil at a whim. I would love to see how far you can take that. Thank you.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I'll work something in this week or next

[@definitelynotadam]

You seem to have insane amount of knowledge about Pathfinder.

[@ArcaneAgent]

There are a lot of people out there that know a whole heck of a lot more than I do

[@ArcaneAgent]

Imma play through the crappiest builds and make a lets play lol

[@tomerohayon7634]

any chance for a written version of those builds?

[@robcole6]

Once again great job. Thanks

[@ArcaneAgent]

Its my favorite build so far. I might live stream my playthrough using this build

[@brothermutant7370]

I would love to see you level that up the normal way. I think you would have so much fun spamming spells on bad guys by the end of the game. Kudos man.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Probably will live stream it

[@robcole6]

@@ArcaneAgent Do you live stream on KZbin? Just found you the other day.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I actually live stream through twitch KZbin Facebook and mixer all the same time

[@Suchega_Uber]

Just a heads up, the word is theurge, not thurge. It is a hard th sound (like in north), E (just like it sounds in the alphabet), then the rest is urge. Theurge.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Swag

[@noobishnerd2535]

hi im intrested on this build so at level 11 i can lay traps already right is my understanding correct lol

[@sugar4me225]

3 cleric 7 wizard 10 mystic theurge Does channel energy scale with this class? Does it level up to 13 cleric or does it stop at 3 cleric?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Channel energy scales with class, not character if I recall

[@Silentgasp]

How are you leveling like that? Is it a command prompt? What are you doing to actually test these builds this fast?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I posted a video on how

[@Silentgasp]

@@ArcaneAgent thank you. I found your video. You're the only one who I've found that actually shows the process in detail. I appreciate it. Makes it so much easier to see what works or not for certain builds because this game has certain feats that arent working.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yes I love getting down and nerdy

[@marcoagostini7866]

So... Extend (+1) gives u double trap casts... Nice xD

[@ArcaneAgent]

Exactly! Double the trap casts, and just imagine chaining up a whole bunch of them for a big bad boss to have to walk through!

[@Wintermist-SWE]

Nice, I really like this build!

[@ArcaneAgent]

Its my favorite one so far. I'll be live streaming it

[@Wintermist-SWE]

@@ArcaneAgent Cool, yeah you really sold me on the MT, so flexible :)

[@ArcaneAgent]

I wish there was an intellect based divine class or a wisdom based wizard class. I love prepared spell casters and I would love a wizard cleric or wiz druid that only had to focus one attribute

[@Wintermist-SWE]

@@ArcaneAgent I suppose you could go full Charisma with Feyspeaker and Sylvan Sorcerer, but then you're a sorcerer rather than a Wizard, but it would use the same stat atleast. Not sure, I don't often like to multiclass so I've not looked too deeply into it.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah ive thought about that. But I do like my prepared casters instead

[@SlayPrincess_ImpregnateDragon]

Too bad game ends when you are ~16-17 level so this late game heavy builds dont really work.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Would you have really been satisfied if I made the character build only go to level 15? I am sure that there will be expansions for this game which will push the story into level 20 if not farther down into level 30

[@ArcaneAgent]

Sorry that might have came across as rude. What I mean is that if I only made a build up to level 15 a lot of people would ask me to flush out the builds to level 20. But what I do from this point forward is try to realize the full potential of my bills at level 15 and then also take them to 20

[@SlayPrincess_ImpregnateDragon]

I agree that its great and interesting it theorycrafting, its just that it gets strong too late. I only suggest to warn people who want to try this that maybe they want to focus on pure spellcaster so they get tier 9 spells before game ends. Keep up good work.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I'll be more specific in my next videos for sure

[@guigi2134]

hi, u think its possible to play this build in solo ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

I kinda wanna try it, I would love to attempt any build in solo

[@ArcaneAgent]

For me, if I was soloing, I'd want high AC and high spell resistance so no one can damage me. Hmmm this gives me an idea for a build run...

[@guigi2134]

@@ArcaneAgent same i play only solo build and i'm tired to play sumuner build or monk :) i want try a good caster build

[@ArcaneAgent]

Im currently working on some solo builds works

[@Partimehero36]

Do you do the bow stuff?

[@ArcaneAgent]

What bow stuff

[@Partimehero36]

You said "bow stuff" a lot in that video. I was just adding a bit of innuendo to it. Wink, wink; nudge, nudge; say no more.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Ah innuendo

[@jorgealfaro454]

nice video

[@ArcaneAgent]

Thanks I appreciate it

[@pierredavid22]

druid is CHA based??? since when?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Feyspeaker archetype

[@ArcaneAgent]

Maybe he was genuinely asking

[@reigenpott9953]

21 damage lvl 20 vs lvl 1 XD

[@pontchristophe3938]

came for this

[@hah-vj7hc]

He didn't think it through. But with heighten spell and the corresponding spell focus, it can be an effective tactic. Maybe flush them back with a tsunami and let them crawl back at you through the cave fangs. Don't take this guy's builds as step by step instructions; take thm as an inspiration. That's how I see it. Besides, we all can google the op builds, making the game easier, if we don't like creativity.

[@theMyouknow]

But yur lvl 30? the game is based on lvl 20 characters maximum heh, oh well. 17 wizard lvls and 13 druid levels. Ofc you would own everything, its like a lvl 20 monk with 10 rogue lvls, they would cut thru anything in seconds. 21 damage :/ the monk build would deal over 100 dmg every hit. Do a Blight druid instead then so, when they finally get close, they would just kill themselves with your miasmic aura, together with wasp aura spell.

[@ArcaneAgent]

I wasnt level 30, I was 20. Mystic theurge levels your arcane caster at the same time as your divine

[@L2Xenta]

Wow, this is way too much, too many spells. Im not a pathfinder guy or table game guy , but I guess I dont like wizards much either way .

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah check out my Dreadful Ranger build if youre looking for less spells and more set it and forget it

[@L2Xenta]

@@ArcaneAgent I actually do have a ranger , even if usually I play something melee, archers seem to always be overpowered with damage more or less in all games :D. p.s. guess ill have to check that video out then, good tip. hehe

[@ArcaneAgent]

I'm actually working on a bow focused rogue right now

[@L2Xenta]

@@ArcaneAgent Yea, saw your rogue melee video. Interesting either way, seems even a bit OP. I went for classic bow ranger with Freebooter. No animal just bow. dont know if its op but its classic.

[@ArcaneAgent]

Yeah my new rogue build will break some stuff

[@romans003]

Kinda of cool, looks so boring though

[@ArcaneAgent]

It can get definitely boring

[@Han-sn7im]

Overrated build

[@ArcaneAgent]

Best build for killing level 1 dungeons

[@Han-sn7im]

@@ArcaneAgent What's the best class for you ?

[@ArcaneAgent]

Depends on what I feel like playing. I love rogues and casters, primarily sorcerers