Archbishop of Canterbury resigns - crisis in the Christian church | Michael Gove & Damian Thompson

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@menshevik1012
@menshevik1012 Ай бұрын
Ignored rumours of child abuse, supported any nonsense from the woke crowd. Glad he’s gone.
@Hellish2050
@Hellish2050 Ай бұрын
The next must deal honestly with Islam. Welby is an ill-informed appeaser.
@afifahhamilton8843
@afifahhamilton8843 Ай бұрын
GET SOMEONE NON-WOKE IN HIS PLACE, FOR GOD'S SAKE!
@PhillipAlcock
@PhillipAlcock Ай бұрын
Good luck on that. Would actually be a miracle….
@aclark903
@aclark903 Ай бұрын
@@PhillipAlcockCalvin Robinson springs to mind. Or any 🇬🇭 Ghanaian Anglican. But we’ll almost certainly get Jezebel as the First Lady ArchB. I guess the Catholics will be seeing a lot more converts..
@willmears1111
@willmears1111 Ай бұрын
@@PhillipAlcock There are none left as the CofE long ago left Christianity with their woke and non Christian agenda.
@mattbod
@mattbod Ай бұрын
I am going to place a £100 bet on the next archbishop of canterbury being a woman and a £20 on the candidate being gay…
@aclark903
@aclark903 Ай бұрын
@@mattbod I hope you’re going to donate your winnings to #OpusDei or something similar..
@JonathanMoore-k1k
@JonathanMoore-k1k Ай бұрын
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
@JonathanMoore-k1k
@JonathanMoore-k1k Ай бұрын
It's Maria Luisa Clare doing she's changed my life. A BROKER- like her is what you need.
@JonathanMoore-k1k
@JonathanMoore-k1k Ай бұрын
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
@Karl-v9r
@Karl-v9r Ай бұрын
I do know Maria L. Clare, I also have even become successful....
@Janealfred03
@Janealfred03 Ай бұрын
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Maria Luisa Clare.
@KillaPunch
@KillaPunch Ай бұрын
How do I get connection to this woman you speak about!!?
@thespeechwriter
@thespeechwriter Ай бұрын
The way Mr Gove talks about ‘Justin’ shows how cosy relations are in the corridors of power. Not appealing.
@margueritespringer3687
@margueritespringer3687 Ай бұрын
@@thespeechwriter I couldn't agree more with your comment
@ChristineFisher123
@ChristineFisher123 Ай бұрын
The Establishment looks after it's own.
@sogoesit8008
@sogoesit8008 Ай бұрын
Indeed, the woke Establishment are all part of the same arrogant club.
@christophermaulden733
@christophermaulden733 Ай бұрын
​@@ChristineFisher123 Hence the cover up . The victims were never a concern .
@andylewis7360
@andylewis7360 Ай бұрын
There’s nothing less trustworthy than a politician who purports to believe in God.
@mancroft
@mancroft Ай бұрын
They should try to find an Archbishop of Canterbury who is a Christian.
@FraserBailey-jm5yz
@FraserBailey-jm5yz Ай бұрын
They will never allow that. I suspect that his replacement will be called Mohammed or Abdul or some such.
@steveschmidt5156
@steveschmidt5156 Ай бұрын
To promote ecumenism he and Pope Francis should get married.
@mancroft
@mancroft Ай бұрын
@@steveschmidt5156 Excellent idea.
@robinearle7225
@robinearle7225 Ай бұрын
The Bible does not include Archbishop as a ministry.
@criticalmass5402
@criticalmass5402 Ай бұрын
Bravo! Except a real Christian would run a mile from the C.ofE.
@vaughanellis7866
@vaughanellis7866 Ай бұрын
The majority of the Senior Church men/women and a large chunk of the Synod should resign as well because they ALL knew about the Sexual Abuse,
@nickdawson9270
@nickdawson9270 Ай бұрын
Precisely!!
@castelodeossos3947
@castelodeossos3947 Ай бұрын
It was bad enough as it is. No need to make out that it was sexual abuse, which according to long article in Daily Mirror it wasn't. There were questions about the boys' sexual habits and showering with the boys, which does not constitute sexual abuse.
@Robin838
@Robin838 Ай бұрын
In his resignation statement Welby said that he had been trying, in vain, for years to reform the church on this matter, so who blocking him?
@daffidkane8350
@daffidkane8350 Ай бұрын
Agreed. Bring back in Christians.
@AT-gr4qx
@AT-gr4qx Ай бұрын
​@@castelodeossos3947what are you talking about?! Have you even read the Makin Report? There was clear sexual abuse.
@leightrinder8668
@leightrinder8668 Ай бұрын
A bigger earthquake happened a few weeks back, when Welby admitted on air that he struggled to believe in God.?????... As a spiritual leader of the CofE this was untenable. This latest revelation was too much.
@amoyjoyce1117
@amoyjoyce1117 Ай бұрын
Then if he struggle to believe In God why did he accept the role as archbishop
@m-alexandria-g
@m-alexandria-g Ай бұрын
He had said that for years and years
@Bailey2006a
@Bailey2006a Ай бұрын
Don’t forget …Mother Teresa expressed the same struggle in the years before she died.
@m-alexandria-g
@m-alexandria-g Ай бұрын
@@Bailey2006a …and few hold her up as a worthy example anymore, either.
@ntiffin72
@ntiffin72 Ай бұрын
@@leightrinder8668 not a revelation when you hear his entirely unbiblical views.
@marksmith9218
@marksmith9218 Ай бұрын
Will Welby be head hunted by the BBC?
@FraserBailey-jm5yz
@FraserBailey-jm5yz Ай бұрын
Yes, as Lineker's replacement on MOTD.
@stephfoxwell4620
@stephfoxwell4620 Ай бұрын
Insufficiently black, gay or female.
@janiceturton7756
@janiceturton7756 Ай бұрын
He could replace old Hue
@advocate1563
@advocate1563 Ай бұрын
Well he can't know less about footie than he knew about scripture.
@nolanolivier6791
@nolanolivier6791 Ай бұрын
... I mean, he'd be a rather perfect fit!
@aok43
@aok43 Ай бұрын
As if Welby or even the CoE are remotely Christian. Weak, modernist pap. No loss.
@criticalmass5402
@criticalmass5402 Ай бұрын
Exactly. this is simply showing the rest of the world. Sadly, it also means the true church & real Christians will be slated along with it
@Juulmand1
@Juulmand1 Ай бұрын
Very good comment
@jem2264
@jem2264 Ай бұрын
Are YOU a Christian? Easy to throw stones isn't it?
@Reprobus3
@Reprobus3 Ай бұрын
Completely agree
@niriop
@niriop Ай бұрын
Are you actually a Christian yourself?
@lesigh1749
@lesigh1749 Ай бұрын
The man was barely religious, why they ever made him a Bishop, much less Archbishop will forever be a mystery.
@stephfoxwell4620
@stephfoxwell4620 Ай бұрын
Uncle was Rab Butler the Tory Chancellor. Mum was Churchill's private secretary.
@janeday9148
@janeday9148 Ай бұрын
The truth has to be that Justin Welby didn't care about the child victims then to push the abuser onto Africa to abuse children there is literally horrific ,thank God the wretched man has resigned , victims should now Sue the Anglican Church ,if the Church didn't give a damn about children maybe they will care if it costs them money
@Juulmand1
@Juulmand1 Ай бұрын
A true apostate
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 Ай бұрын
@@lesigh1749 what makes you say "he was barely religious"?
@offshoretomorrow3346
@offshoretomorrow3346 Ай бұрын
The second Marxist to go in one week! Bad week for Satan.
@samanthaduggan9002
@samanthaduggan9002 Ай бұрын
Just yesterday his conscience told him he didn't have to resign. That tells you everything about the state of his conscience. Not to mention his professional judgment.
@davidr1431
@davidr1431 Ай бұрын
He mistook his ego for his conscience.
@manusha1349
@manusha1349 Ай бұрын
Welby is a bloody disgrace!! He can't just resign, he needs to be PROSECUTED. At best, he's an accessory for covering up sexual crimes. At worst, well......let's wait for actual allegations
@ChristineFisher123
@ChristineFisher123 Ай бұрын
The Establishment protects its own...always another law for them
@manusha1349
@manusha1349 Ай бұрын
@ChristineFisher123 yep, Old Boys Club. But evil always is its own undoing.....it will all unravel soon
@lencoller6477
@lencoller6477 Ай бұрын
Nothing will happen
@manusha1349
@manusha1349 Ай бұрын
@@lencoller6477 it already has
@gnothiseauton626
@gnothiseauton626 Ай бұрын
Welby’s position has been untenable since he became Archbishop. He’s a joke to the Church of England and to the wider Anglican Communion. He’s not a Christian in any true sense of the word.
@melodymacken9788
@melodymacken9788 Ай бұрын
Nicely said.
@tozmom615
@tozmom615 Ай бұрын
I wonder if they’d consider hiring a Christian to replace him?
@ChristineFisher123
@ChristineFisher123 Ай бұрын
Not a chance.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
......nah
@Nighthawk-8050
@Nighthawk-8050 Ай бұрын
Not gonna happen
@niriop
@niriop Ай бұрын
Are you actually a Christian yourself?
@mattbod
@mattbod Ай бұрын
Don’t bet on it!
@heavensmountains323
@heavensmountains323 Ай бұрын
Perhaps now the world wide Anglican Church can get back on track and become Christian again. 🇨🇦
@Apriluser
@Apriluser Ай бұрын
Well, 85% of us rejected Abp Welby as head because of his progressive posture. Completely outside the Christian tradition on human sexuality.
@econoclast6284
@econoclast6284 Ай бұрын
If only Michael Gove would follow his fine example and resign from the spectator.
@marksutherland5161
@marksutherland5161 Ай бұрын
Welby's constant woke views and his replacement theology inregard to Israel and the pushing of a two state solution has finally caught up with him.
@jujutrini8412
@jujutrini8412 Ай бұрын
What is “replacement theology”?
@robw1866
@robw1866 Ай бұрын
@@jujutrini8412Simply stated it asserts that the establishment of the Christian Church superseded and replaced the nation of Israel.
@Pagespinner
@Pagespinner Ай бұрын
Trust Gove to find Welby to be 'kindly, holy and well-intentioned'. The Church is well shot of him at long last, but for how long do we have to suffer Gove as editor of The Spectator?
@pobishop235
@pobishop235 Ай бұрын
One hopes that this is an opportunity for the Church to reform itself root and branch. It's rotten at the top.
@martynspooner5822
@martynspooner5822 Ай бұрын
How he lasted as long as he did is a total mystery he was more woke than Christian. It definitely is in the best interests of the Church of England and should have been a very easy decision to make and yet he dithered whilst protecting a beast.
@melodymacken9788
@melodymacken9788 Ай бұрын
He had to consult his huge ego.
@DianeBarnard
@DianeBarnard Ай бұрын
Justin Welby must have known from his younger days what Smyth’s leanings were. Shocking that he was sent to Africa which just enabled him to carry on with his perversion.
@therealmrfishpaste
@therealmrfishpaste Ай бұрын
In fairness (having read the full Makin report), Smyth wasn't "sent" to Africa....after the Rustin Report in 1982, he was barred from the camps and from Winchester School, and he made his own way over to Zimbabwe
@mattbod
@mattbod Ай бұрын
@@therealmrfishpastenot completely true. I have read the book “Bleeding for Jesus” on him and strings were pulled and favours called in. The establishment looks after its own and holds ordinary people in contempt. A little boy died on one of his camps in Zim.
@karenhendry6765
@karenhendry6765 Ай бұрын
@@mattbodI recall this and was horrified at the time was living in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 at the time and after this stopped attending my own church being the Anglican Church till I left Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 and I’m in agreement with Grove completely
@Rock-x5s
@Rock-x5s Ай бұрын
His resignation isn't shocking at all , its what he facilitated and abetted with his silence that stands out
@nikhtose
@nikhtose Ай бұрын
Almost as repulsive the idea of Justin Welby heading the Church of England is conniving Remainer Michael Gove heading up The Spectator.
@Ken_oh545
@Ken_oh545 Ай бұрын
Gove bade him welcome
@scinformation7229
@scinformation7229 Ай бұрын
@@Ken_oh545 Ah, from a George Herbert poem
@Ken_oh545
@Ken_oh545 Ай бұрын
@@scinformation7229 not 'bad'
@niriop
@niriop Ай бұрын
Gove was a prominent Brexiter, co-convener of Vote Leave.
@michaelwebb9939
@michaelwebb9939 Ай бұрын
Really? Now he has done the right thing?! This 'person' should have been banished years ago.
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 Ай бұрын
You are questioning if Welby is a person?
@timobrien72
@timobrien72 Ай бұрын
What the hell is Gove talking about??? "A finely judged decision" as to whether Welby should reign!!??? "He (welby) agonised over the decision" Ah he's so virtuous it must have been so difficult. God give me patience. He should have been sacked for being a NON Christian in the first place.
@Peter-ov6xh
@Peter-ov6xh Ай бұрын
The charge to get rid of him was led by a female "bishop" and a gay "vicar". You couldn't make it up.
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 Ай бұрын
Sounds like an argument in favour of female bishops - woman seem to be less inclined to cover up abuse than men.
@pamelacox540
@pamelacox540 Ай бұрын
You find it incredible that a woman and a gay person would call out the sexual abuse of children?
@juliechurley2716
@juliechurley2716 17 күн бұрын
Why? Clearly they were the only ones with a backbone!
@alannareid7419
@alannareid7419 Ай бұрын
No mention of the lack of humanity in not wanting to meet the victims. What a contrast to the King of Spain recently. I find it incredible and despicable, and as a practising Catholic v sad
@danisehetland3576
@danisehetland3576 Ай бұрын
Mr Gove, may I remind you that the Archbishop of Canterbury is, firstly, a spiritual leader and then a politician somewhere down the line. As the leader of the worldwide Anglican Communion, his actions effects 85M people. Now is not the time for political discussions. I am, quite frankly, appalled by your political take of this situation and of your excuse-finding statements.
@stephenpeterfry
@stephenpeterfry Ай бұрын
well yes, but the role of Archbishop in either provinces - Canterbury or York - is firmly at the heart of our constitution.
@danisehetland3576
@danisehetland3576 Ай бұрын
@ yes, I do understand the makeup of the House of Lords with respect to the Archbishop of Canterbury, however if Mr Welby’s expects his political interventions to be taken as having merit, he should get his own house in order. There are many, many politicians to attend to government matters; there is only one Archbishop of Canterbury to address spiritual matters.
@stephenhayesuk
@stephenhayesuk Ай бұрын
The BBC is so excited and self righteous about this, as if they hadn't shielded Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris for decades.
@wineweasel
@wineweasel Ай бұрын
Why was it not investigated by police they must have had reports prior to 2013 then again in 2013 then again with the channel 4 documentary in 2016 i think the police have questions to answer too
@Yasmirr
@Yasmirr Ай бұрын
Praying for a new Archbishop of Canterbury who is faithful to the Bible and can unite the Anglican Communion.
@PhillipAlcock
@PhillipAlcock Ай бұрын
Judging by what’s happening in many of the “mainstream” denominations worldwide I find that unlikely.
@amoyjoyce1117
@amoyjoyce1117 Ай бұрын
Com’on Grove ! Rubbish ! Those who stay silent in-the face of injustice allow evil to prosper …
@izzy9132
@izzy9132 Ай бұрын
The irony doesn't escape this Catholic.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
....or this Orthodox ☦☦☦
@cgh6891
@cgh6891 Ай бұрын
cannot believe these people are trying to justify him.
@jamesbrady5451
@jamesbrady5451 Ай бұрын
He is complicit and should be jailed
@scinformation7229
@scinformation7229 Ай бұрын
I don't think he knew. Pyschopaths are very plausible
@BobSmith-fx9sz
@BobSmith-fx9sz Ай бұрын
"and the best at hate are those who preach love" - Charles Bukowski
@Reprobus3
@Reprobus3 Ай бұрын
The title should be "Crisis in the C of E/Anglican Church." This has nothing to do with the Orthodox or Catholic Church.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
agreed!!
@tillyt4054
@tillyt4054 Ай бұрын
Good riddance to a man who has consistently cared more about his own image and legacy than the Christians he was supposed to serve , Welby’s narcissism has ultimately destroyed him ,I’m glad to see him go , but even I never suspected him of covering for a PDF file , What a vile self serving hypocrite
@Richcanvas
@Richcanvas Ай бұрын
Excellent news. They need to dig deeper.
@annrobinson7766
@annrobinson7766 Ай бұрын
God is clearing out the trash
@michaelbrooks4445
@michaelbrooks4445 Ай бұрын
Here we go again protect the organisation at all costs….whilst 120 victims suffer permanent psychological trauma. Well done.
@JohnMiddleton-n8h
@JohnMiddleton-n8h Ай бұрын
God is not mocked and His hand will prevail in the development of HIS Church. Perhaps we can now find a bible believing leader of the national Church to restore and encourage a return to God
@nottooherbal
@nottooherbal Ай бұрын
A nutcase in other words.
@scinformation7229
@scinformation7229 Ай бұрын
His name is Calvin Robinson and he was treated very badly by the C of E
@niriop
@niriop Ай бұрын
Do you even believe in God?
@iainrae6159
@iainrae6159 Ай бұрын
​@@nottooherbal Had to laugh at your comment. As my granny would say ' religious folks always come across as a bit mad'
@beammeup8458
@beammeup8458 Ай бұрын
He has not decided to quit ! He has betrayed his congregation and his church. Surely those "holier than though" Anglicans kicked him out in disgrace ???
@jem2264
@jem2264 Ай бұрын
How amusing! Some in this thread think we Anglicans are not even Christians and you are accusing us of being "holier than thou"! Both can't be right!
@arthurthomson
@arthurthomson Ай бұрын
Wokery now gone from the church it was welby that was responsible for the falling congregations and should have resinged years ago.
@stephenpeterfry
@stephenpeterfry Ай бұрын
"Wokery now gone from the church" sadly not - the real fear is what will replace him. Starmerazi will send his list to His Majesty. The contents of that list are a problem.
@wiseonwords
@wiseonwords Ай бұрын
Although not complicit in these crimes, Welby should definitely face some criminal charges for covering them up. In effect, he was enabling this sex criminal. There's a high likelihood that this Smyth creature continued with his crimes in Africa.
@Randomequestrian-pm4hl
@Randomequestrian-pm4hl Ай бұрын
Will the Church hierarchy now follow up with ensuring, in the interests of justice, that Welby is brought to trial in South Africa for failing to comply with S110 of the Children's Act in reporting suspected child abuse to the authorities and thereby committing a crime himself? And can the CofE rapidly investigate whether the vile abuse by Smyth continued in Cape Town in the years he was sent here in the hope of keeping his evil activities under wraps?
@garybell2895
@garybell2895 Ай бұрын
There is no evidence he covered them up. His worst crime is naivety and assuming others had taken appropriate steps including lack of police action!
@cmtwei9605
@cmtwei9605 Ай бұрын
@@Randomequestrian-pm4hl If Welby isn't a S African citizen and didn't live in that country during these years he has not committed any offence there and cannot be trialled there.
@Randomequestrian-pm4hl
@Randomequestrian-pm4hl Ай бұрын
@@cmtwei9605 I understand the jurisdiction issues; jurisdiction is not dictated by citizenship. There may be an argument to be made that as top dog, Welby is vicariously liable for his organisation and its wrongdoing in failing to report child abuse per S110 of the Children's Act. At the very least we need full disclosure of any reporting - if Welby can show the matter was reported to the police and they failed to act, then we need to know. If there's a possibility the police turned a blind eye then we citizens need to know so that the police can be investigate and child protection ensured in accordance with our constitution.
@cmtwei9605
@cmtwei9605 Ай бұрын
@Randomequestrian-pm4hl It might be possible for S Africa to bring charges against him in the UK itself where he has been residing. As to the citizenship, for some countries including the UK their own citizens or nationals can be charged back home for certain serious crimes committed abroad.
@pixie3458
@pixie3458 Ай бұрын
If being head of the church is increasingly political, it may be because they opine on political issues
@justinspendlove8600
@justinspendlove8600 Ай бұрын
So far, 13 minutes in, Gove is staggeringly weak. 😊
@davidr1431
@davidr1431 Ай бұрын
@@justinspendlove8600 Yes, that he thought the decision to resign or not was finely balanced, says a lot.
@SpicyRightWing
@SpicyRightWing Ай бұрын
Well, he is the man behind the new Tory leader! Amongst others
@alannareid7419
@alannareid7419 Ай бұрын
@@davidr1431such a disappointment.
@MaryLowrey-m7m
@MaryLowrey-m7m Ай бұрын
@@justinspendlove8600 thanks, I’ll bail out now👍7 minutes…
@iainrae6159
@iainrae6159 Ай бұрын
Gove, a man who wanted every school to be sent a Bible rather than Darwin s 'Origin of Species' or Shakespeare.
@jf7243
@jf7243 Ай бұрын
Not before time. This man was a disgrace to the church and failed in his signal duty.
@Sunny-h1u3i
@Sunny-h1u3i Ай бұрын
Is there more to come out?
@criticalmass5402
@criticalmass5402 Ай бұрын
There usually is.
@davepugh2519
@davepugh2519 Ай бұрын
There's always more when it's churches you're dealing with.
@davidr1431
@davidr1431 Ай бұрын
There is more that could come out, whether it ever will is the test for the next archbishop. I do not expect them to pass this test.
@keithspencer6153
@keithspencer6153 Ай бұрын
The church should be a place of sanctuary not rape.
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 Ай бұрын
That's not inclusive
@junerobertson4389
@junerobertson4389 Ай бұрын
Wrong man in the wrong job.
@keithedwinsmith9416
@keithedwinsmith9416 Ай бұрын
Welby or Gove? Or both?
@FraserBailey-jm5yz
@FraserBailey-jm5yz Ай бұрын
Archbishop Wellbeing, as I have always called him. Whatever, I always assume that anyone who has risen to any level within the structures of organised religion will be up to no good, or will be some sort of fraud. I find it hard to take any of it seriously, not least because most of these Bishops don't seem to believe in God anyway. I suspect that Wellbeing will pop up us Lineker's replacement on MOTD.
@giantputt7066
@giantputt7066 Ай бұрын
It’s in less of a crisis now than when woke Welby was the Arch Bishop. He should never have been appointed in the first place
@TJ_USA
@TJ_USA Ай бұрын
I cannot take Michael Gove seriously as the editor of The Spectator.
@Still_Small_Voice
@Still_Small_Voice Ай бұрын
It's only a crisis for those who respect him. It's almost a feature of Anglicanism to be perpetually underwhelmed by our clergy.
@Sunny-h1u3i
@Sunny-h1u3i Ай бұрын
He should not have had to "agonise" over the decision. He probably thought he could weather the storm before the issue died down. Thank God he is gone.
@judithannerae
@judithannerae Ай бұрын
Doing nothing makes one guilty.
@davidfanning1600
@davidfanning1600 Ай бұрын
Why isn't Welby in a prison cell?
@assassinsunite3434
@assassinsunite3434 Ай бұрын
Disgusting individual. How can he call himself a man of God
@Schiltron
@Schiltron Ай бұрын
"An earthquake has hit English Christianity" Really? It hasn't affected Roman Catholics.
@garymitchell5899
@garymitchell5899 Ай бұрын
The Catholic church has, of course, had similar scandals.
@garymitchell5899
@garymitchell5899 Ай бұрын
Perhaps ironically, the proverb about stones and glass houses comes from the Bible.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
.......or (more importantly) Orthodoxy ☦☦☦
@neilcook1652
@neilcook1652 Ай бұрын
Maybe they accept paedophiles more readily and are less concerned, certainly historically comfortable with perversity
@louisetrott5532
@louisetrott5532 Ай бұрын
Fascinating and useful, thank you.
@louiseparker1915
@louiseparker1915 Ай бұрын
This how child sex abuse gets covered up!
@greyfriars6540
@greyfriars6540 Ай бұрын
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?". He's gone. What now for the Church?
@johnl5316
@johnl5316 Ай бұрын
Sounds like HOLLYWOOD
@criticalmass5402
@criticalmass5402 Ай бұрын
Worse because no one in Hollywood has pretended (authentically) to believe n Christ.
@musiqueetmontagne
@musiqueetmontagne Ай бұрын
Welby has destroyed much of what is left of our national church and religion. He is a woke activist and should not have ever held his position...
@marybutler9581
@marybutler9581 Ай бұрын
“There have been worse crises in the church and it has come through strengthened” - WTAF? What in its history could possibly compare to the child abuse scandal? Gove just makes my jaw drop.
@mariamichael1669
@mariamichael1669 Ай бұрын
So the king of woke has resigned……. he finally got one thing right!
@williamsnowden8186
@williamsnowden8186 Ай бұрын
Well done, Michael. Very well turned out.
@gailhorochuk1269
@gailhorochuk1269 Ай бұрын
Now lay charges
@stephenpeterfry
@stephenpeterfry Ай бұрын
No, No; Welby was a manager, not a leader. His poor decision making and his poor pastoral understanding has been evident for years. Completely the wrong appointment from day one. Yes; Smyth, HTB and Welby all joined at the hip.
@Ken_oh545
@Ken_oh545 Ай бұрын
I knew a chap who went on the Iwerne courses as a teenager. The last time I saw him was at his wedding about 30 years ago where I was seated next to an HTB Youth Ministries 'facilitator', about the biggest egotist one has ever met. Was a dreadful afternoon.
@stephenpeterfry
@stephenpeterfry Ай бұрын
@Ken_oh545 HTB, Welby knew an awful lot more and right st the beginning
@stephenhayesuk
@stephenhayesuk Ай бұрын
An earthquake may have hit the C of E, but that is not necessarily the same as one hitting the Church in England. I quit the C of E for a Reformed Bible church 10 years ago when I saw which way the wind was blowing. My best wishes to the remaining faithful Anglican congregations. Perhaps now, as the liberals and revolutionaries move in to take over, it is time for them to go full GAFCON, but that is up to them.
@andrewryanwasright
@andrewryanwasright Ай бұрын
This is very upsetting for all 78 people that still attend Anglican services
@leebrown6702
@leebrown6702 Ай бұрын
Poor dear Justin... he was so hard done by. It want his fault that he was complicit in covering up and facilitating horrific abuse of minors. Glad to see Gove standing up for the poor soul🤬
@just_another32
@just_another32 Ай бұрын
very glad to see him go. things are looking up
@vieiradosreismariadelurdes9105
@vieiradosreismariadelurdes9105 Ай бұрын
@@just_another32 He goes where? To another Country? Or will he FACE REAL JUSTICE and probably be in JAIL if Justice decides IT IS A MUST?!!!
@chrisburton8079
@chrisburton8079 Ай бұрын
The resignation of Welby is no loss, glad to see the back of him, and his Wokeness Once again proving that Christianity and the Church of England, is merely coincidental
@pixie3458
@pixie3458 Ай бұрын
Don't forget that abuse has a long history in public schools. Earl Spencer recent disclosures illustrate this culture
@BuffaloSoldier1965.
@BuffaloSoldier1965. Ай бұрын
I know gove is now your editor but having seen widely circulated video of him dancing with young men less than half his age at nightclubs during lockdown, his contribution to this subject is "suspect".
@tl6537
@tl6537 Ай бұрын
Good,about time
@harrish6
@harrish6 Ай бұрын
we are in particularly "interesting " times where so much darkness is being exposed to the light in every area of our society and there will be much more as these times move on.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
No! stupid heading - there's not a 'crisis in the Christian church' there's a crises in the Church of England.
@gopalramanathan7062
@gopalramanathan7062 Ай бұрын
Time to dissolve the whole blessed thing.
@marcokite
@marcokite Ай бұрын
Time for Holy Orthodoxy ☦☦☦
@SpicyRightWing
@SpicyRightWing Ай бұрын
While I watched priests and pastors get arrested for opening up churches in USA in the Covid era this bishop close down churches in England for the first time since 1204
@scinformation7229
@scinformation7229 Ай бұрын
Yes, they lost the moral high ground for sure
@therealmrfishpaste
@therealmrfishpaste Ай бұрын
To quote Yes Prime Minister: "When it comes to selecting Bishops, it always seems as though the deck is stacked....you always either get a knave or a queen..."
@Mark3ABE
@Mark3ABE Ай бұрын
I have always thought that the main reason that abuse of this kind flourished in Churches was that, instead of reporting the abusers immediately to the Police, the Church would try to deal with the matter “in house” either by paying large sums of money to the victims as “hush money” or by moving the abusers to other locations. I have always taken the view that, if the matter had been reported to the Police immediately there was even a suspicion of abuse, such behaviour would soon have been nipped in the bud. Now, to be fair to the Archbishop of Canterbury, he was informed that, in this case, the abuser had been reported to the Police and that they were investigating the complaints. I do not think it unreasonable that he considered that this fulfilled his duty - the Church had departed, in this case, from its policy of “cover up” by making the matter public and bringing in the full force of the Law. There is no suggestion, now, that it was the Police who were responsible for failing to bring the abuser to account. Clearly, if the matter had been investigated and he had been prosecuted and convicted of a criminal offence, he would automatically have been deprived of any further role in the Church. So, presumably, the Police looked into the matter and decided that the abuser had no case to answer. Yet there is no suggestion at all that the continuation of the abuse is the responsibility of the Police - the Church passed the matter over to them and they must have decided that the abuser was free to continue his behaviour. Justin Welby has resigned on the “buck stops here” principle. Someone must assume responsibility and, clearly, the Police are not prepared to do so. The Church must therefore take responsibility and the man at the top must assume responsibility.
@Londonchippie
@Londonchippie Ай бұрын
Covering up / looking the other way to misconduct to protect the organisations and ones own reputation. Sounds exactly like what one would expect from a good corporate manager!
@topcat9852
@topcat9852 Ай бұрын
JW should be investigated by the police for corporate negligence - stop letting this bloke off the crook ……………
@pearlupthejunction
@pearlupthejunction Ай бұрын
Please don’t make excuses for this man. So very pleased that Justin Welby has resigned. Our God will not be mocked! Pray that he will repent and come to know Jesus as his Lord and Saviour🙏🏻
@mattbod
@mattbod Ай бұрын
This is the Spectator: the “bible” of the establishment. What do you expect.
@kahhowong3417
@kahhowong3417 Ай бұрын
A Cushy Life Corrupts Absolutely!
@timothycook5880
@timothycook5880 Ай бұрын
As well as this scandal, his views on gender and the handling of LLF, and illegal immigration means he is not in line with the majority of British people or church attenders. Pandering and being captured by loud mouths advocating BLM and more, has not done him or the church any good. He and others like York, have become of the world as well as in it. Time for both to go and have some more gifted leaders with vision and true Gospel interpretation to lead and not captured by woke. Sad, its a hard role and I am sure he has done much good but has now done the right thing.
@stevesmith3990
@stevesmith3990 Ай бұрын
When Gove appears I switch off.
@martiakatz8442
@martiakatz8442 Ай бұрын
The archbishop does not believe in the bible as demonstrated by his stance on Israel and the church will do well without him.
@Richcanvas
@Richcanvas Ай бұрын
An Iman will be given the role of the Archbishop of Canterbury to meet the demands of inclusiveness. You know, and i know there'd be liberals within the C of E who would vote for this.
@Dee-mj3pu
@Dee-mj3pu Ай бұрын
Has Charles III made a statement? Does Charles receive the resignation?
@aliciaedmund3529
@aliciaedmund3529 Ай бұрын
Tech feedback - Michael's camera is focused on the podcast mic and he is out of focus. Feedback for next time
@michaeljackson5914
@michaeljackson5914 Ай бұрын
Rotten to the core
@george11419
@george11419 Ай бұрын
The Archbishop has done the honourable thing. It is a pity politicians no longer do the same.
@neilcook1652
@neilcook1652 Ай бұрын
He’s done nothing honourable by choice, his hand was forced by circumstance, give him no credit
@royalirishranger1931
@royalirishranger1931 Ай бұрын
Welby is a diabolical figure!. The Gove criticizing anyone is monty python humour.
@REwing
@REwing Ай бұрын
He was not able to control the persons who wanted homosexual freedom, and their want to edit, out of the Old Testament, any references to homosexuality!! This church does not belong to God or Jesus.
@CoolHandLuke147
@CoolHandLuke147 Ай бұрын
Gove clearly wants The Spectator to become a Rest is Politics companion manual. I'm out.
@billyb23
@billyb23 Ай бұрын
I feel such fury at Michael Gove. His words are unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. I will never watch anything by The Spectator again until he leaves. Disgraceful.
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 Ай бұрын
Bet you comment on their next video.
@billyb23
@billyb23 Ай бұрын
😂 I’ll do my best not to
@martinscannall8487
@martinscannall8487 Ай бұрын
@@billyb23 first and last time I will watch the Spectator. Downright creepy.
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