Archer (Shirou Emiya) VS Tartaglia (Childe) | FGO VS Genshin Impact Battle - Who Would Win?

The Archer class is really made of Archers! Shirou Emiya, Archer Class Servant from Fate Stay Night/FGO versus Tartaglia (Childe), No.11 of the Fatui Harbingers in Genshin Impact. Who is Stronger?
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[@R3D_H00D2]

Not sure this is a fair fight. Hes literally up against ACTUALLY Satan, Genshin stans don't stand a chance

[@peanutsaber8837]

It's "actually satan" lol.

[@sk_hermit1809]

@@peanutsaber8837 the actually is pretty important

[@Urd-Vidan]

MAXIMUM NO CHILL!!!

[@rafaelmonteiro9380]

+ archer can perfectly replicate avalon since it was inside his body for years

[@R3D_H00D2]

@@peanutsaber8837 You're right

[@fish526]

"The archer class is made out of archers" - Rin Tohsaka.

[@anghainguyen9951]

Laugh in Grand Archer (old)

[@LHanafie]

@@anghainguyen9951 Do you mean a former teddy bear?

[@DespairLlama]

“Then why did berserker go berserk?” - Semiramis.

[@Ichiban_Dayo]

yoimiya: *fine, ill do it myself*

[@highpapa3464]

*Yoimiya

[@Nameless-cf2nz]

Rule Breaker could pretty much negate Childe transform if it falls under the magical aspect

[@elixxon]

Rule Breaker affects Magecraft. The very specific thing to the Nasuverse. Foul Legacy is an ability Childe got while he was in the Abyss. It would have no effect because it's a completely different thing. To be fair Genshin characters can't really be scaled because in that universe people pull some Devil May Cry level shit casually defying physics for the rule of cool as fuck.

[@ruiK774]

@@elixxon I guess you could call it, Foul play

[@SMJVJ]

@@elixxon From what I understand Rule Breaker is an Anti magic weapon but that does not mean it's ability is to destroy magic. Rule breaker's Conceptual ability is "To Betray" ie to betray Contracts and other magic bindings or connections. So it is possible for Rule breaker to cause the "Betrayal" of either Childe's Vision or Delusion by severing their connection to him. It might not be permanent but it can cause Childe to be depowered for some time. Then again it might not have any effect. Still Archer could easily clap Childe and most of the Genshin Cast quite easily. Only ones who stand much of a chance are the Twins and Archons( literally God's of Genshin) though some of the Adepti can stand upto him. Of course we need more information so more research is needed

[@dkcgaming1892]

You're very correct. Rule Breaker's conceptual weapon is "To break" or "To betray". It's power to break is strong enough to sever the bind of Command Spells and even interfere with the Servant Summoning, which is one of the highest forms of magic (Not magecraft). If Visions or Delusions are a contract (Power inherited) or connection (Power sharing/bestowing) with anything or anyone at all, Rule Breaker would be effective against them. Being a magic from the Age of Gods, it's unlikely anything from after the Age of Gods can resist it. So... Give or take a few thousand years.

[@jpthepr0xydm138]

Technically speaking Canonically cannot affect things things bestowed upon by deities There's a lot of given take when it comes to Visions Whether there gifts from God or manifestations of one's self Yet delusions on the other hand are directly given from the power of the cryo god If rule breaker could break godly contracts archer would be free frome his contract with the will of humanity

[@michaelavrel6710]

If you really think about it, childe is just a "watered-down" version of emiya

[@youravictim38]

I figured this out when i found out about childe

[@zaki7583]

Funny

[@DKOIsoul]

Mihoyo loves their references. Putting aside skyrim, jojo, pirates of the Caribbean and the other hundreds of things referenced, Honkai Impact has many Fate references. Sirin and Otto literally have Gilgamesh' ability in their own style. It's probably what they went for here.

[@codetibers]

@@zaki7583 you mean it's punny

[@048elhambhuiyan8]

Badumtssss

[@kuwro9116]

What if childe's E goes on cooldown and archer says "so as i pray"

[@misteryousheroxaltersuprem7706]

Archer: *Unlimited Blade Work* Childe: guess i’ll die

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

Servants are naturally above the leagues of even trained Human and Genshin people in all honesty with their Vision at best are peak to high above average Humans so pitting them against Servant might end up harsh. Not to mention the boost from the Foul Legacy isn't guaranteed to give Tartaglia a win since it wears him off quickly while Emiya can just sniped him with either Caladbolg or Hrunting

[@calvin560]

for real, even in-game servant could function without ce while those genshin characters NEED their fkin artifacts lmao

[@sk_hermit1809]

Also UBW consist of downgraded yet effective weapons. Varies of godkillers, broken phantasms, and seal/restrain types

[@elixxon]

Genshin's humans casually pull things way beyond an IRL human's limits and a Vision only gives elemental powers not physical strength, hence Vision users were beaten both by the guy in Beidou's martial arts tournament and by the mostly Visionless samurai of the Tenryou Commission in Inazuma who were both trained visionless humans. One NPC without a Vision also just oneshot a Ruin Hunter that was too strong for the Traveler with a sword technique too fast to see and Jean is famous of being able to take out Ruin Guards with a few slashes of her sword alone. ...and don't even get me started on Kaeya and Rosaria casually pulling a "**teleports behind you** nothing personnel kid" and Ayaka spamming Vergil's Judgement Cut, all being the result of training. We could say that the humanity of Teyvat are just built different considering they were in the crossfire of a several millennia long battle royale between the gods.

[@seannvincenzroque1962]

@@sk_hermit1809 downgraded but honestly not a difficult hurdle to deal with. Unlike any other servants, he's possibly the only one that benefits more when turning his noble phantasms to a broken phantasm

[@seannvincenzroque1962]

@@elixxon to add to this Beidou was able to beat a hydra(?) All without a vision. But to be fair as well, those people you mentioned are also stated to be pretty above average and kind of rare

[@jackb450]

Pretty sure Emiya would win just from being a servant alone, not saying Childe is weak, but compared to a servant, he won't stand a chance and from what we've seen of the Genshin official Manga, visions are quite versatile, creating shields, element infusion, creating objects/animals, etc but I don't think it'll be effective against a servant. The only characters I could see be on par with servants would be the Archons/gods (maybe) and the twins

[@arghost9798]

So, lets compare Archon and Grand Servant next, since they have the same number in total.

[@averagefilipinodude2137]

@@arghost9798 would bring the same results lmao

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@arghost9798 Woah woah woah, they gotta get past Gilgamesh first. King Hassan bestows death upon anything once the bell has tolled their name, and in a battle we gotta assume it did. Speed is irrelevant, he can teleport, Durability is irrelevant, he granted death to the core of the universe (Tiamat), Power is irrelevant, he survived Nega-Genesis. KH is Death incarnate.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

I'd Say vision users are comparable to low tier servants while archons are closer to high tier servants Like for example pretty much all vision users would get bodied by Artoria but archons like Zhongli in his prime could beat her, like the dude literally threw stone spears at the overlord of the vortex and with time those spears eroded and broke down to the point where they are nowhere close to thier original size and those spears are the mountains in guyun stone forest. While Ei for example cassualy cut an entire island in half.

[@mrchadthundercock7973]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid human vision user would clap low tier servant like Mata hari, you need to get trough all of gudao servant first tho

[@grotus5549]

Let's also bring up that Archer can use high speed incantations to unleash his Unlimited Blade Works

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

@Lance so high speed, he would be done with the entire incantation in less than a second

[@Ragazaloth]

i am the bone of my sw-

[@greenman784]

Ok now who would win Archer or Eminem? I think the answer is obvious here. iamtheboneofmysword

[@kallenlivesmatter3229]

Archer vs xiangling in a cooking competition is where it's at

[@1erickf50]

@Lance Yup, just look up his incarnations in F/GO and Extra-Extella

[@theflyingace611]

Alright...no. Childe loses in all categories. Emiya here went toe to toe with Heracles in the Fate Route and killed him 6 entire times WITHOUT Unlimited Blade Works. (Before anyone brings up the anime, it's not canon to the visual novel as Illya never says anything about a Reality Marble, which is something she would've brought up had he used it) Emiya despite being an Archer also has access to sword skills and is able to create so many weapons in such a small time frame that even Cu lost count of how many he made. Emiya also has Eye of the Mind so he can predict all of Childe's attacks effortlessly. In short, this fight would never get to the point of Emiya getting to UBW as Childe is nowhere near the level of Heracles, Cu, Medea, or anyone else that's a Servant. Complete mismatch.

[@brandonhawker6597]

Thank you for recognizing this. Emiya using UBW against Herakles in the Fate Route is not canon. The entire fight was off-screen, so we can only assume what happened. Despite this, Illya never mentions his use of a Reality Marble afterwards in the VN, and that would be something very significant to any Mage, as a Reality Marble is thaumatergy of the highest level, the closest most modern day Mages can get to True Magic, and would have warranted mention. This means that we can quite fairly assume that Emiya did not use it in the VN. On top of everything, thanks to the Heaven's Feel Route, we can confirm that Emiya can also reproduce the parameters of the Servant whose NP he is reproducing, as proven when Shirou reproduced Herakles' Nine Lives NP, which is a technique, reproduced the Axe-Sword to use it, and UBW reproduced Herakles' strength and speed parameters, temporarily giving Shirou the same level of strength and speed as Herakles. On top of this, as it is not a Divine Construct, Emiya would, thanks to Cu Chulainn, have Gäe Bölg, which is an insta-kill move. Emiya's Eye of the Mind Skill allowed him to keep up decently well with Cu Chulainn, who was capable of consistently moving so fast, not even a Servant could track all of his movements and he at times appeared to be an actual bolt of lightning, leaving no question that it could allow Emiya to keep up with Childe. And the guy who did this video completely ignored the fact that Emiya *can* in fact drop the UBW chant whenever he pleases and pick it back up with no issue, as proven by the UBW route, where he starts it, stops, talks to Rin, Saber, and Shirou, and then picks it back up again without needing to start over at all. This is even considering whether or not he even needs to use it in full to begin with, as it is confirmed he has at least some form of training with High Speed Incantation, meaning he can practically fly through the chant when he needs to. This means that Childe cannot interrupt Emiya's UBW chant. Emiya wins, hands down.

[@theflyingace611]

@@brandonhawker6597 Yeah, I know a lot about Fate Power scaling so I picked up a lot of things having conversations with other people who like getting into seeing who would beat who in Fate. Also interesting fact about chants, they are not really spoken. In the VN when Emiya does the chant Shirou describes it as the words resonating inside of him. Chants have components other than the auditory one, so even if Emiya can't talk he can still perform the chant, same with all Magecraft actually.

[@theflyingace611]

@@brandonhawker6597 Basically in order for this to be a remotely fair fight we have to be convinced that Childe can defeat Heracles a single time, which is not happening.

[@brandonhawker6597]

@@theflyingace611 Exactly. Herakles can only be harmed by Noble Phantasms A Rank or higher. Which makes Emiya's feat even more high tier. This was also back before the retcon to God Hand. Prior to the retcon, Herakles became immune to whatever previously killed him. Meaning that not only did Emiya have to kill Herakles with nothing but A Rank attacks, he had to do it with six entirely different A Rank attacks or weapons. Meaning that Emiya alone already has at least six techniques or weapons capable of killing Herakles once just lying around in UBW. Likely even more than just that amount, as since he is a Counter Guardian and exists outside of the axis of time entirely, it is heavily implied that prior to him taking part in the Fifth Holy Grail War, he spent centuries as a Counter Guardian, having been summoned all over Human History, seeing different Noble Phantasms first hand the entire time and reproducing them. Childe just doesn't stand a chance here. Emiya wouldn't even need to deploy UBW to smoke him.

[@brandonhawker6597]

@@theflyingace611 And yes, it is confirmed that Emiya doesn't need to talk to use his Projection Magecraft or deploy UBW. While under the effects of Medea's Time Dilation, he still reproduced Kanshou and Bakuya, summoning them to the copies he was holding, to distract her and dispel her Magic. Furthermore, through his whole first fight with Lancer, he never spoke the words "Trace on" once. Those words are just sort of a trigger word, meant to psych Emiya and Shirou up so that they can more easily access Magecraft. They are not actually activation words for the Magecraft itself, and it can be used without saying them at all.

[@ultrastormvalentine5483]

Archer wouldn't pass off the chance to gain another bow/sword in his reality marble so when he traces Childes bow/twin blades he'll actually gain all the skills and experience Childe has with this weapon giving him an unfair advantage. you kinda left part out.

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

but they are made of water, so im not too sure about that

[@ultrastormvalentine5483]

@@mistrenamenlos1575 Searched it, Noble phantasms are crystalized mysteries that given from to powerful weapons amour and abilities using the human imagination as a core, when summoned as a servant their weapons are manifested using mana to fight and yet archer managed to trace several of these noble phantasms as can be seen in his reality marble. Childe is using water as a base to manifest his bow and duel swords what's preventing archer from tracing the physical bow when it's used in action.

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@mistrenamenlos1575 two words: Rho Aias

[@kyleroman2744]

he could even trace Rule Breaker, a crystallization of Medea's betrayal, it's not even a real item

[@ultrastormvalentine5483]

@@kyleroman2744 That's not a fair argument considering he was able to trace Rho Aias a shield literally made of mana

[@dark-lord-vinay]

If it was Counter Guardian EMIYA then it would be an instant GG , it’s Unlimited Mana Works

[@zeryuouros4411]

Servant EMIYA would still clap him nontheless because of his skill Mind Eyes and not only that, he can just trace and analyze Childe weapon and figuring out his weakness.

[@mse7215]

Genshin characters wont stand a chance on Fate servant. Even the strongest Archon Zhongli would get rekt by Quetzalcoatl, Quirinus, Gilgamesh and Godjuna.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

I used to think Fate Stay Nights Servants are op until I goes on to see Grand Order lore Can swear 25% of the fucking Servants there are gods incarnated in human body. There's even some dude whose NP look like he sliced the universe in half

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@AnNguyen-es4kx oh, that's probably Arjuna Alter. He's one of the strongest.

[@yuurai]

@@zeryuouros4411 Definitely sounds like Godjuna lol.

[@pingucrimson750]

Shirou vs Childe is more of a fair fight than Archer vs Tartaglia (if you catch my drift)

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

I feel like Childe would vastly overpower ubw Shirou. Heaven's feel Shirou might stand a chnace tho

[@maxvitor7023]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid Childe would probably wreck most of the regular human cast from FSN. Kirei and Bazett are likely the only one who could match him.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

@@maxvitor7023 I think Kirei at his prime has a really big chance of winning ngl.

[@dinardwirachmadi5742]

kirei is not a regular human though, he's the walking dead person, kiritsugu already killed him on fate zero

[@maxvitor7023]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid Prime Kirei was a Burial Agent meaning he has mastery over holy weapons and sacraments, all this stuff would likely hit Foul Legacy like a truck since it is an Abyssal power. I'd say the fight would be a 60/40 to Kirei. He's not ridiculously overpowered like Ciel but as a Burial agent dude was pretty much trained to kill powerful monsters and Foul Legacy Childe is without a doubt on the level of a Dead Apostle.

[@alainblandi2885]

Servants stats are just way beyond human, Childe needs his delusion just to keep up with Emiya.

[@ryuga-is3xr]

Childe and his delusions that he can keep up with Emiya

[@no.notfromRDR]

Genshinverse to nasuverse is like comparing Naruto to dragon ball Is not like they aren't strong it's because the other side is on another level Cool video btw maybe Raiden vs musashi next?

[@lostnemesis]

That would be fun musashi would still probably win because of what her Noble Phantasm can do but it'll be fun

[@yuichiro7649]

Maybe Raiden vs Okita Alter after all Okitan is faster af too

[@justinmmos7219]

perhaps regend would also be a good match?

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@justinmmos7219 Regend and Musashi are basically equal in terms of skill due to both reaching the Void through sheer swordsmanship, though I'd say Musashi is more powerful, I mean she is basically Traveler, casually just running through parallel universes.

[@okita_souji_alter]

Musashi probably wins but that would be a fun matchup

[@xidjav1836]

I mean EMIYA Archer could just use Rule Breaker to take away Childes Vision rendering his transformation the only way to keep up with EMIYA out of the equation, making it an instant win for him

[@rifarira9160]

Uhh... Taking his vision away wont cut out his transformation because foul legacy coming from his delusion. It only take away his ability to use hydro. But yeah for now, if chillde would never have any power up no more, Archer stomp on him every time.

[@sexyastolfo2520]

Archer goes into spirit form and peace outs

[@zeryuouros4411]

And then Childe get sniped from 5 kms away.

[@edelweissurya6409]

@@zeryuouros4411 by a nuke arrow straight to the face

[@justsomeone3962]

Archer stomps with ease. ubw tracing pretty much gives him all of the knowledge on his enemy not to mention servants can level an entire island that's something only god tier in genshin can do

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

Honestly archon vs servant fights make much more sense than putting vision holders against servants.

[@Pinky_Piie]

Well most servants would straight up body genshin characters

[@zeryuouros4411]

Vision holders against mages would be better fight

[@Re-2005]

True many Servants can summon reality marble that can counter plane of euthymia

[@brandonhawker6597]

@@Pinky_Piie Doesn't help that Servants are fundamentally higher existences than Humans, and only the most broken of humans can evenly fight Servants, such as Aoko Aozaki while using the Fifth True Magic.

[@PharaohofCulture]

Just gonna call this the Fate shitting on Genshin series at this point lmao

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

Dude, he's omitting info on Archer's part just so it wouldn't appear as more of a curbstomp. The power level of Fate guarantee it will shit on any series, 8/10 times...

[@yuurai]

As long as you don't step into Grands territory, Lostbelt servants, and Outer Gods then genshin characters are alright even though they are obviously weaker in comparison.

[@Ragazaloth]

@@yuurai aka: just don't go into FGO territory, they're too OP

[@eddieboston6540]

i mean i see why he chose genshin because if he chose honkai that would be a stomp for honkai.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

I mean Touhou would be the most likely to curbstomp Fate

[@gudakoalter]

Dude, Emiya would slaughter Tartaglia with ease

[@novahbomb4311]

I feel like durability would be a more important factor in these fights more so than offensive capabilities. Since most Genshin characters are normal humans physically, that alone is a disadvantage for them against servants as they're capable of surviving a lot more damage. The fight would be a closer match up if Archer is masterless, because then he would be severely depowered without a proper source of mana and depend entirely on Independent action (Archer class passive skill). If anything, foul legacy is what would allow Childe to keep up and probably surpass archer as a proper servant, as then they'll be matched physically. Though like the video mentioned, foul legacy transformation is strenuous for Childe to maintain. Basically, Childe as a human gifted with vision (and I guess delusion) can't physically compare with Archer unless he uses Foul Legacy transformation.

[@morsayxd4441]

not really , genshin characters are ez above humans and wouldnt be that much in a disadvantage agains servant according what they trained in them , it was said that zouken in his prime was ezily able to body servants and was really powerful , same for wodime who can destroy mutiple servants , so considering i would say a lot of genshin chara are superior to these 2 , it aint that hard on them vs servants

[@novahbomb4311]

@@morsayxd4441 Though yes Zouken in his prime would be able to beat a servant, he would do so through his magecraft and not his body's physical limits. He was already a few centuries old when the Holy Grail War was established, so he would've had to alter his body through magecraft. Wodime's magecraft, if I understand it correctly, is very powerful as it's from the age of gods. If during the age of gods, Wodime easily sweeps servants, but in modern day of man he'd have a much more difficult time as the magic would be weakened. And in hand to hand combat situations like Souichiro and Bazett, they had magical enchantments to their bodies that made them stronger and more durable. So in the case of visions, which grant elemental powers, they don't enhance the wielder's innate physical strength or durability. And without a magical body enhancement (Childe's Foul legacy transformation by delusion), human genshin characters wouldn't be able to keep up with servants in hand to hand combat for very long.

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@novahbomb4311 Agree. Wodime's magecraft is similar to Medea's magic, which is magic from the Age of Gods. The closest comparison we have is Caster Gilgamesh since he uses magic more than his treasury, and we know how powerful Caster Gil is even without his treasury, easily bodying Mashu and Ishtar and Anna. Zouken is basically a vampire, and his magic form is parasitic. Not to mention he's the head of one of the founding families. Bazett has the blood of the Old Gods and is skilled in ancient runic magic, not to mention Fragarch, which is discount Gae Bolg. In other words, in order for humans to even begin to fight Servants, they either need powerful magic on par with the Mystery of Servants, or physical enhancements that strengthen them to beyond human capability or lower the power of the Servants.

[@fate8718]

@@morsayxd4441 Humans in Fate =/= Irl Humans and humans in Genshin. Humans in Fate can "Melt the Moon"(refering to the Mooncell) and move through the far side(which contains no space or time BB and Rin both directly state this)

[@kiana4237]

@@fate8718 basic science stuff, it's an "Imaginary number space" as in chaotic information, history becomes jumbled in that place not that it had no time, time is a complex information due to the denseness of data in that space that it could even weigh space Itself similar to sakura or tiamat but again, that space is not normally controlled outside it, it is a virtual space inside the mooncell the mooncell is still a regular object meant to record human history so destroying the mooncell is still pretty much a moon. Unless you are talking about types and stuff.

[@quochuyvo3774]

On theory, Emiya is extremely OP but Nasu tried not to make Emiya too powerful in Fate/Stay Night. Emiya can combine his style with other NP like Rule Breaker to nulify Childe transformation, he doesn't have to use Broken Phantasm to overwhelm Childe. Heroic Spirits a have special ability that extremely underrated. The ability to turn into Spiritual Form, if Childe actually use his transformation, Emiya just turn invisible for a while, pop out and snipe Childe with his BP. But of course, this is a battle of speed, who act faster will have an upper hand (I don't play GI because my phone is shit so I only use the information in this video)

[@ArcyNeo]

Spirit form is often overlooked as its more so used for convenience for explaining how we are having people like 8 foot tall Heracles going around a populated city un noticed and its technically useless against other servants as they are spirits too.

[@dmitriydubovetsky5778]

emiya isn't slower than hercules, that could react on emiya's caladbolg, which stated to be fast enough to travel 4 km in instant

[@alexiron6876]

@@dmitriydubovetsky5778 also Emiya can use 9 lives blades work right?

[@dmitriydubovetsky5778]

@@alexiron6876 not sure, he never projected hercules sword

[@alexiron6876]

@@dmitriydubovetsky5778 but shirou did using his arm in heaven feel to kil Heracles 9 times over in a instant.

[@justine-3667]

Well. Emiya Archer would fk Childe up one sided. Even with his foul legacy transformation that takes a huge toll on his body. Also don't forget the skill that servants have, which makes them leagues above even the peak powerful humans. In a battle of speed we can clearly see that servants are insanely fast, able to traverse an entire city effortless. Strength, Emiya can fight Berserker Herc blow by blow so yeah. Weaponry, no cap Emiya will body Tortellini. Archery, ofc that's Childe's weakness, Emiya's copy of the shield (forgot the name), even if it's just the first layer, he can negate Childe's power. Also his NP shot is strong too.

[@wyvernthisavros1841]

The shield's name is "Rho Aias" if i remember correctly

[@kazekori9593]

Wasnt it that childe sucks at aiming? Rho Aias is pretty big. Not sure if childe can shoot fortress walls down but whatever

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

I'm just gonna point out that nasuverse humans aren't the same as genshin humans, in genshin vision holders can dodge lightning wich should put them in the same speed range as most servants

[@tungsten8332]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid but, we’re talking about servants not nasuverse humans though. In which Childe will still get bodied.

[@ducanhdinh8823]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid magic lightning? And in Nasu there are a young magus that can dodge magic lightning.

[@silvergolden6387]

Childe uses a spear like a lancer, a bow like an archer, daggers like an assassin, water and lightin like a caster and abyss magic to enter in a berser-like state. He totally seems like a Saber class to me, so Emiya wins.

[@PhilosophicalSomething]

it's not a matter of weapons, it's a matter of scaling. Childe's weapons are way, WAY weaker than an average servant's weapon, let alone something archer can project. Servants also outspeed and outlast humans, and whatever you can say about vision users, they still have human speed and human durability.

[@silvergolden6387]

@@PhilosophicalSomething it's a meme

[@anadaere6861]

Does he make beams? No? Lancer class If he's using the bow he's probably a rider

[@ivanbluecool]

While a closer fight. Gotta say emiya as servants have shown to be much faster and stronger and more durable than anyone normal. Ubw emiya managed to survive a sword rain from gilgamesh and could probably copy childes weapons as they aren't gilgamesh level and the shield gives range no damage to emiya. Close up if emiya uses 9 lives works he will kill childe immediately as childe doesn't have hercules lives overall. Chile probably can win if he stays close to emiya but a prolonged battle would kill childe immediately while emiya Can last without a master and Mana reserves a few days giving him more time to survive. Range emiya wins. Shield and blow up broken phantasms gives him the win immediately. I doubt childe can do any of the feats emiya was able to like survive an Explosion or kill hercules many times.

[@danielandrada4740]

Idk if he can copy water but that sounds cool

[@ivanbluecool]

@@danielandrada4740 if he saw Fionns weapon he could probably do it. He did have Fergus caleborg so anything is possible. I mean he can trace legendary Weapons and thier affects

[@zaki7583]

@@ivanbluecool true but childe simply manipulates water/electricity and gives then the shape of the tools he needs but there's a chance the visions can be copied and if not than the delusions can as those are man made and not created by a god

[@ivanbluecool]

@@zaki7583 emiya can already make godly weapons in trace. He wouldn't have an issue and most stuff in genshin impact that is man made is better than the godly things. The gods proved it by going to war and cursing the people for surpassing them in power because of jealousy. Emiya would smash childe immediately. Also emiya can make fire and Explosions with his np and trace as well and emiya definitely has a better range than childe from ubw alone and hollow ataraxia sniping saber.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

@@ivanbluecool Wait does that mean Emiya can just copy his vision and delusion? Sounds really op

[@thegamerfe8751]

Bruh did you really say that Tartaglia is a better close quarter fighter than EMIYA ? Reminder that he fought for hundreds to thousands of years as a counter guardian probably for longer than the archons. He also killed Heracles 6 times without using his noble phantasms, kept up with Cu and Kojiro, characters that Tartaglia can only dream of beating. + The biggest issue with this video is that none of young Shirou's feats are brought up like everything that happens in Sparks Linear High and oh idk, Nine Lives fucking Blade Works. It's weird how you're assuming that only UBW can allow Shirou to beat Tartaglia, like what are you basing that on ? Cause based on everything Shirou can do he can win just using three projections at best and no UBW even against foul legacy transformation. Oh and reminder that Shirou with Archer's arm can run at 80KMs per hour, that's human Shirou. Servant Shurou is easily mach speed.

[@noble7065]

Can Childe even harm Archer's spiritual core? because if not he can't even kill him or inflict serious damage.

[@gachawolfking]

my guy when you said pretty even battle i was like are you serious archer basically solos nearly the entire verse for multiple reasons

[@ShiRoaNanaya]

Emiya might have the advantage here since he's the original, but who's to say a fake can't rival the real thing, so Childe might catch up.

[@Kakakaka-ri2kr]

His quote against him lol

[@EliteFreeman]

a pleasure to see you here

[@sivvinod3187]

Nice

[@emiya9831]

The fact that Childe is still a growing warrior is absolutely terrifying. Cant wait to see him reach his peak and become even more of a beautiful beast than what he is now. - A Childe main

[@Pinky_Piie]

Servants are incredibly broken emiya stomps this fights

[@EdelYT]

You're forgetting that the Hawkeye skill is an alternate version of Clairvoyance. This, in tandem with Mind's Eye allows Emiya to essentially predict his near future, which is what allows him to keep up with the other Servants. Not to mention his speed was enough to startle Cu, who out of all the FSN Servants, was probably the fastest. I think Childe would barely get out a greeting before Archer just takes his head off with any number of weapons.

[@nomingyu4026]

One other thing to consider about Emiya. One of the reasons he's able to keep up with the skills of one such as Cu is his Tracing. Not only does it copy weapons, it copies/reveals the history of the weapon as well (see Shirou using Nine Lives Blade Works in Heaven's Feel). So basically, one glance reveals his opponent's entire move list. ...Except, and I don't play Genshin so I'm not totally sure, Childe forms his twin blades and spear from water each time, so there's nothing to Trace unless UBW gets esoteric about that. Granted, I don't see this granting him the fight. Archer still has a ton of experience to draw from. But I'm guessing Childe MIGHT be able to get a hit or two in with his blades. Ironically, EMIYA might have an easier time when Tartaglia activates Foul Legacy and uses a physical spear... even if he can't recreate it he can probably still read the history/moveset. Although from what I'm reading off of the Genshin Wiki, that's probably generated too. So I guess Archer will just have to get by with better stats. I'm assuming a couple of things I probably shouldn't, and I don't particularly think that this overturns the ruling, but I figured I'd put this out there. Thanks for these videos! They're definitely entertaining!

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

Well Emiya may be able to copy his vision and delusion tho and if he does, he'd body

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

Emiya can predict the moves of his enemies with Minds Eye, so he doesnt even need to see his opponents move list, you know

[@zeryuouros4411]

Childe has a bow with him correct? Then Archer can always trace that and boom all weakness exposed

[@nomingyu4026]

@@zeryuouros4411 The weaknesses with his archery skills, maybe. But Childe already admits that's his worst skillset.

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@nomingyu4026 nope, through Childe bow. Archer can see all of Childe memories including all of his fighting capabilities. One example here would be nine lives, fun fact: Hercules was an Archery expert before he picked up the club but just by copying his club, Archer can read all of Herc backstory from when he's born to his death.

[@dkcgaming1892]

Here's my 2 cents. Weaponry: Emiya wins no question, it's not even a question, we're talking about a guy who can kill Berserker 6 times on a bad day and counter Gilgamesh blow for blow (Without Ea) and even beat him on a good day. Not to mention every single one of Emiya's arsenal is basically a weaker version of every Noble Phantasm he has ever seen. Skill: Debateable. Is what I would say except Emiya's Projection allows him to copy the skill of the owner of the Noble Phantasm, which is straight busted. We know he can project Hercule's sword, and Hercules in his Archer/Avenger form literally told Gilgamesh to git gud. Not only that but basically most if not all combat-based Heroic Spirit has more skill than Childe in Swordplay, spears, Martial arts, and archery. People really forget about this absolute broken part of Projection. Speed: I mean... Peak human is literally the baseline for the weakest Servant so... And Emiya has Mind's Eye. Sheer physical strength: He fought Berserker. There's really not a lot to say about this one. We basically know Berserker can walk through an entire city without blinking. So yeah kinda a mismatch.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

Humans in genshin are able to doge lightning and Childe can even straight turn into electricity to escape (like Mona turns into water when she runs) I'm pretty sure Childe would at least have the speed category on his side The rest goes to Emiya tho

[@nguyeninhtri1155]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid being able to dodge lightning isn't very impressive when every servant's projectiles goes faster than lightning

[@nguyeninhtri1155]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid I mean, Artoria even dodged Gae Bolg which was supposed to overwrite karma and Emiya is definitely faster than Artoria.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

@@nguyeninhtri1155 Artoria has high luck, Instinct at a high enough level it borders on precognition and a high agility and she still took some damage from it.

[@dkcgaming1892]

Both of you seem to have made a mistake. Gae Bolg is instant, once the name is spoke, Gae Bolg is already in your heart, the thrust is just to provide cause to effect. It's not speed. Luck in the Nasuverse is the ability to manipulate Fate to your favor. For example, due to Iskandar's Luck (A+), if Childe were to be able to kill him with his blades, something will happen that will swerve Fate and allow Iskandar to live past that fated death.

[@Raivon]

So here's the battle plan. Step 1: Trace Gae Bolg Step 2: Yeet Gae Bolg Step 3: Step 4: Profit

[@spookies2864]

*Misses*

[@raine777.]

@@spookies2864 gae bolg cant miss

[@spookies2864]

@@raine777. 1: It was purely satire 2: Gae bolg missed Saber and got parried by archer in ubw.

[@Raivon]

@@spookies2864 Gae Bolg's one of those NPs that are 'cannot be dodged in any capacity EXCEPT IN THESE VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES' Saber managed to survive Gae Bolg because her luck stat was absurdly high to the point where she could 'defy' the fate of being pierced in the heart, though it still gave her a wound that couldn't heal easily. Archer took it head on so it wouldn't qualify as attempting to dodge, and even though he survived he was pretty banged up. 6 layers of Rho Aias were pierced and considering that Rho Aias relays damage back to the user that's a hefty amount of injury he received. In conclusion fate is _fucking_ weird man

[@raine777.]

@@spookies2864 gae bolg "doesn't miss" but like kuro said, it doesn't mean its not fool proof

[@mihai000000]

1. archer took 5 lives in the vn , but all that was without using UBW. the anime made it flashier. unlike gil who targeted iliya to make herc eat nps , archer also played fairly because he cares for iliya. Assuming he is properly bloodlusted (or willing to do everything it takes) , he probably takes more lives as well. 2. archer survived fake assasin (sasaki kojirou) in a melee combat. fake assasin is literally the best combatant in terms of technique. better then even saber who is a powerhouse in melee. 3. all 3 of his enemies (herc , cu , fake assasin) are A or A+ agility. That means that archer (agi C) should simply not be able to pretty much see , let alone react to their attacks , yet he fights them all quite evenly , because of his eyes mind (true) skill. Eye;s mind (true) is not supernatural or whatnot. its just the reasult of eons of fighting experience. Keep in mind that as an cg , he is outside of time. Meaning emiya is probably one of the most experienced combatants one could encounter. 4. his chant can be cast while fighting. he can even speak during the chant and resume chanting after. Emiya alone would probably demolish the entire genshin roster honestly in 1v1s.

[@v40idrifter22]

He also has several ways to increases his parameters. Reinforcement can increases his strength, endurance and agility. Projection allow him to copy the weapon original wielder 's abilities and techniques while also allowing him to gain techniques, such as okita flash step : shukuchi. This would explain how he was capable of keeping up with heracles in close combat and how he was capable of outspeed cursed arm. He is also a magus, so he can produce his own magical energie similar to artoria 's dragon core which allow her to go from A rank ( value : 50 ) to A++ rank ( value : 150 ).

[@kyleroman2744]

This guy forgot EMIYA's Mind Eye(True) which make him powerful in a drawn out close-combat battle and Noble Phantasm like Gae Dearg that actually cancel any kind of magic based attack. In close combat, he could easily switch style due to the nature of his Trace weapons, that not only replicate the weapon but also it's experience and history, gaining an instant mastery of the weapon he had traced. And I'm pretty sure, that EMIYA had a blade dance with Sasaki Kojirou.

[@MichaelKing015]

Nah emiya struggles a lot to guys that has mastererd close quarter combat look at the fight against Lancer he can hold his own but he is not a master at all

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

@@MichaelKing015 Archer had several disadvantages in that fight: 1. Archer Classes are weaker against Lancer Classes 2. Cu had Projectile Immunity 3. Archer didnt have a Master and was therefore weakened 4. Archer didnt fight to win, just to draw time 5. Archer wanted a long battle against Lancer in order to weaken Medea as much as possible 6. My boy didnt even use UBW 7. After the Church fight, Lancer had no mana left, whereas Archer still had mana reserves and was just injured. Archer can practically heal himself in a few seconds thanks to Avalon. Lancer wouldnt have been able to kill Archer even if he wanted. 8. Rho Aias was weakened, Lancer used an ANTI-ARMY noble phantasm which reverses Effect and Causality. Still managed to block it though. 9. Lancer was aiming to kill Archer despite what he said to Rin (should be pretty obvious since he used Gae Bolga, which is a sure-kill move). Well i think Archer deserves being called a master in close combat, right?

[@MichaelKing015]

@@mistrenamenlos1575 no you better read what Cu's ability is and you should know that UBW wouldn't even matter to Cu and you better remember this Cu managed to survive for 12 hours against Gilgamesh GOB and you should also know that Emiya knows he can't beat Cu so he just stalled time he focused on his survival rather than trying killing Cu and Emiya is not a master of close combat you should probably know that after fighting lancer saber and berserker

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

​@@MichaelKing015 Archer took 6 of Heracles lives in close combat, you know. A half-god. A servant who is among the most durable in the Nasuverse. May i add that after the fight against Berserker, Heracles acknowlegded that Archer is a powerful foe? Not mentioned in the anime though. Comparing Emiya to Artoria, whose entire legend is based on a sword and medieval wars, seems also kind of illogical to me. Of course he cant hold a cradle against Artoria in close combat. Nonetheless Archer honed his skills for thousands of years and fought in dozens of Holy Grail Wars. Archer didnt fight Cu with the purpose to survive. I dont think i need to elaborate that further, reading a bit between the lines in their fight could help. In the first place, if he wanted to survive he wouldve just avoided the fight. Cu indeed survived Gil's GoB for 12 hours, but as i already said, Projectile Immunity and swiftness can bring forth that result. Game Over if Gil used Enkidu as Cu is also a divine being. However it is true thta Archer is weaker than Cu Chulainn if we compare their close-combat prowess. No doubt about that. And here comes my main-point. Archer fought in close-combat against Sasaki Kojiro, who has EX-RANK sword skill. Although the result of that battle is unknown, i assume it was a draw, as Archer wouldnt engage in fights in which he has no hopes of winning in the first place. I also want to add that i didnt want to sound disrespectful, i just want to elaborate that Archer is not below the apex of close combat prowess. Dont take it the wrong way, but one just cant compare Emiya to the monsters in the Fifth Grail War, you know? All of those are Servants whose legends are based on combat. Btw, forgive my spelling errors, my keyboard is lagging behind.

[@totozhu4543]

@@mistrenamenlos1575 archer doesn’t have Avalon.

[@abyadhnip6929]

Let's not forget in ubw, one moment Archer was at Rin's side, the next he's already miles away on top of a skyscraper. He could easily evade and ignore Childe's rush, gain some distance, and shoot caladbolg. The fight ends.

[@emiyashirou1858]

There's something you didn't mention: ubw chant is hardly event a fucking disadvantage, he can skip the entire chant and say three lines or just say "I am the bone of my sword, unlimited blade works" due to his high-speed incantation, or he could just not say it

[@therealanimeslimshady.99]

Is this even a fair comparison?One bow shot from emiya would put childe into a headline faster than the new wolves would destroy my ganyu.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

I mean true but he can't really take out and shot his bow in close distance combat.

[@therealanimeslimshady.99]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid In the middle of the ubw stay night show,he shot at berserker from very far away.If we're considering such a great distance,emiya can see and attack childe while he is none the wiser.

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

@@therealanimeslimshady.99 Yeah ik but I'm talking about like close range He wouldn't be able to one shot him close range

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid during EMIYA fight with Cu, EMIYA managed to launch arrows at machine gun speed in cqc

[@kyleroman2744]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid Emiya vs Cu(FSN & FGO), he fired many shots in closed range, easily switching his blade into a bow

[@NaozaneST]

Emiya can technically uses the Replicated noble phantasm Attacks right?, If so why dont just replicate Gae bolg and use its Ability?. Instant death for childe right there For genshin players that dont know what gae bolg do, its is the red spear that Cu uses, it has 2 type of special attack. One is thrown, and one is a special thrust attack. Im here talking about the thrust attack, as it literally reverse cause and effect. Making the spear stabs the opponent heart before it even thrusted (the Cause of the thrust is the opponent heart being pierced) and can only be dodged if they have high luck stats (which genshin don't have) and even if Childe did dodge the hit to the heart it will still cause lethal enough wound to childe/Tartaglia that will either render him enable to fight, or straight up kill him.

[@dkcgaming1892]

The problem is that I forgot if the causality-reversal is passive. EMIYA can't trigger the unleashed power of a Noble Phantasm's name iirc. Then again he can use Hrunting's lock-on while shooting it.

[@brucewayne8550]

@@dkcgaming1892 Emiya absolutely can release the full power of an NP by saying its name, its the more specific NPs such as Tsubame Gaeshi that relies on pure technique rather than the weapon that he can't replicate. In this instance, Emiya can only use the Anti-Army version of Gae Bolg since the Anti-Unit version was uniquely attributed to Cu due to his heritage and blend of skill.

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@brucewayne8550 What I thought was that Gae Bolg's curse to always pierce the heart is passive, meaning even without speaking its name it will do so, though it won't activate the causality-reversal ability. I do know that EMIYA can trigger Gae Bolg's thrown form, just unsure of the thrust form,

[@brucewayne8550]

@@dkcgaming1892 No, the only passive effect of Gae Bolg is its ability to negate healing. The thrust version has the exclusive heart seeking ability that none of Scathach's own Gae Bolgs possess

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@brucewayne8550 Oh right, thanks for the clarification. I guess I forgot Cu's Lance negated healing, I kinda associated the healing negation to Diarmud's Lance.

[@shiroumuramasa5478]

You wanna hear a Joke? "Archer Emiya vs Childe"

[@anderu2384]

Imagine Emiya gets bored and just Gae Bolg Tartagalia

[@coltonannunziata1274]

Keep in mind though that during the second fight with cu emiya only had access to a fraction of his power due to not having a contract with rin . At least if his performance in fate grand zero is anything to go on for his real maximum.

[@zeryuouros4411]

Correct, because tracing still cost mana and without a master to supply, it would be very hard to use his trump card. Not to mention, Cu was ordered to go full power in the second fight so.... yeah

[@Rieras]

I'm sorry, but what in the world in fate grand zero?

[@coltonannunziata1274]

It me being high of my ass when I wrote this because some asshole gave everyone brownies laced with acid.

[@Astin-D]

The most closest VS yet in a 10 set round Emiya would take either 7 or more of the rounds while Childe will take 3 or less. *If* Emiya was in his weakest parameter. Counter Force empowered Emiya will destroy Childe What would decide this fight is battle experience you know Emiya has plenty of that in spades lol Childe might beat Emiya only if he surprise him too many times or go full power right away .

[@itskaiden7205]

Let’s not forget rule breaker can stop childe’s trasformation this is just a bad match up

[@zeryuouros4411]

Lets all not forget Archer range garauntee kill shot is 5+ kms and he took out Berserker one live which in itself is very impresive

[@raine777.]

Archer has Excalibur, Excalibur can and will one shot childe 10 out of 10 times

[@user-hy2zb9bo3b]

@@raine777. correction: Archer does NOT have Excalibur. Sure he could probably try to copy it but doing so would most likely kill him in the process. You probably mistaken Excalibur for Avalon but still, the Avalon is also no longer in his possession.

[@user-hy2zb9bo3b]

@@raine777. but he has plenty other weapons he could use to completely obliterate Childe without going full power.

[@lostnemesis]

I saw this I thought about it for a second and the first thing I thought of was he is discount Gilgamesh he wins in a second and it's not close

[@mr.legend4315]

Loving this series so far, and am looking forward for more.

[@Niccogamer01]

4:13 The truth is not exactly like that since Emiya after making a deal with Alaya, a god of the earth who promised to save humanity from a catastrophe in exchange for becoming a counter-guardian of humanity, is also specified in his contract that Emiya will not need the slightest amount of magic to activate her reality barrier. therefore he would only spend her magic on staying in this plane, moving and creating more copies of weapons but the reality barrier itself does not consume magic giving him an advantage Overwhelming in front of enemies that are exhausted he can simply use his barrier and by not consuming his magic he would be at a great advantage not to mention the advantages of the archer class that would allow him to simply fire his weapons without having to move and be able to maintain his physical form for 3 days and 3 nights regardless of the magic that remains or if his master died. EXTRA: Child doesnt have protections from arrows so, the proyectiles are effective against him

[@Niccogamer01]

pd: And besides Emiya having Avalon "the excalibur sheath" inside himself for more than 10 years allows him to create a copy that is at the same level as the original and Avalon itself is the Noble Phantasm that defeated Enuma Elish and grants a large amount of magic power to whoever has it in their hands followed by continually regenerating the user's wounds and the UBW is one of the more speed NP in all the fate series, surpassing Gates of babylon in a way than gilgamesh don´t even had time to use EA when he was inside of the same

[@ravoniesravenshir3926]

Emya Hnds down.... He is a Heroic Spirit, guns can't stop him.... and then he has UBW. I forgot to mention.... Emya's Blood is made of swords... when he says "I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD, STEEL IS MY BODY" he isn't joking about Steel being in his body. Emya's Healing Factor... closes his wound with blades.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

I think you're mistaking Emiya with Shirou from Heaven's Feel In there Archer's influence on his body is causing him to be overloaded with swords from an uncontrolled Reality Marble. It turn his flesh into steel Although the steel can mend his body and prevent heavy blow, it does not prevent injuries caused from the inside Such as when Rider kick Shirou from the air and all his blades stabbed into his organs from the inside, causing him to bleed out and died

[@SurealStriker9087]

Recent Fate fan, but even with my little bit of knowledge, can confirm that Emiya wins - close to almost no contest, unless its melee combat, in which case its a cool fight - still Emiya's victory. Servants are too OP, pls nerf-

[@mistrenamenlos1575]

If you have only recently started Fate, i seriously dont recommend you to watch Fate/Extra yet... oh god, im getting flashbacks again. Its just too complicated. I remember chilling in the Nasu-Wiki for several hours on end and trying to understand the happenings in Fate/Extra. And believe me, it didnt help at all. Not because the wiki is shit, but because its too good. Fate is the only franchise with a wiki thats way too good and complicated. Cant believe i would ever say this.

[@zeryuouros4411]

Basically just fuck around and find out. That's how I search Fate wiki

[@kyleroman2744]

Even with even stats' EMIYA would win, unless that Childe uses delusion

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@kyleroman2744 EMIYA would still won even if Childe use delusion and with even stats. With EMIYA eons of combat experience, skills in all weapons, his mind of eyes, his suicidal fighting style. All of that can pretty much beat Childe.

[@kyleroman2744]

@@zeryuouros4411 actually his suicidal fighting is created for those people like Cu. Childe use delusion, EMIYA use spirit form

[@bluespeed7406]

Emiya In the anime sure it goes likes this but In the Light novels and vn you don't have to even get In to the games because In the vn saber alone can be scaled anywhere from complex multiversal - outerversal and remember emiya can copy physical stats with the wepon he is tracing and the pure heroic spirit forms themselfs can scale to outer with imesurable speeds

[@yourdoom6554]

I think what a lot of this boils down to is personality and stamina. Unfortunately for Childe, he's way too cocky, and that leaves him open to counters that he probably would normally see coming. And Emiya is the type to 100% take advantage of any opening; with Hawkeye and Mind's Eye, Emiya has the skills to easily take on even fully transformed Childe. Not just that, but Emiya has enough mana reserves, especially with Independent Action A, to go for days without any recovery. Childe can barely go for, at most, half an hour before his stamina goes out at his max power. I gotta give this to Emiya, 9 times out of 10. There may be moments where Childe pulls a tricky move or comes in completely serious, which is that 1.

[@pyroball602]

So Childe has the same weakness as Cu, Emiya would just exploit the hell out of the weakspots Childe opens with his cockiness.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Sorry buy nah bro, Childe is outclassed in literally everything, there is no 1 time he can win.

[@MBits.]

I mean emiya is a counter guardian and that title alone is very powerful in their world

[@lucienkin6714]

You forgot to include his arrows that can home. (Was showed during UBW while he was being a Counter-Guardian on the terrorists and the lads in Rome.)

[@maaliksmith107]

Actually all Childe's moves can be avoided. Dark leap you can just overload, the whale you can run away from and the god literally has clear areas you can stand in to avoid. And I admit Childe is powerful, but I wouldn't say he's outright better in close combat since Cu is fucking demigod on par with Hercules. So the fact that Emiya could keep up with him means Childe just overwhelming him is very unlikely.

[@ivanbluecool]

Saber vs Baal next. That seems like a closer battle

[@lostnemesis]

I thought about it for a second and instantly thought of Excalibur and how absolutely broken that is and that's excluding the scabbard which of remember correctly can make you immortal she is hella overpowered

[@orchidow5637]

@@lostnemesis fun fact Baal elemental burst in the lore and peak was capable of literally killing the snake and cut the mountain in half and some places outside the island ain't saying that Excalibur is weak compared to that but let's just remember seals exist and we could compare the now saber vs peak Raiden in terms of power would be the same I imagine the power of the NP and the burst but if we put a world ending scenario saber against peak baal well nothing to say its a one punch Excalibur to the face

[@ivanbluecool]

@@lostnemesis saber doesn't get the scabbard to fight. Only her skills she brings along or else it's basically unfair in any battle. Plus mordred killed her. Gilgamesh beat her many times. Hercules cu emiya all beat her she isn't the greatest

[@lostnemesis]

@@ivanbluecool I remember that she doesn't have the scabbard but still it technically is hers because even if you gave Ei even if you gave her all the benefits Excalibur is an instant win it can go against Ea as someone else put in the comments it's like comparing Naruto to dragon Ball Goku would rip Naruto's heads off without even trying

[@ivanbluecool]

@@lostnemesis still I'm not talking about her against Baal. Just talking about saber isn't getting the scabbard because she isn't summoned with it. If Avalon was brought with her then it's fine like how gilgamesh can use the real weapons to fight but he summons them himself so it's fair for him not saber Honestly don't know why people can't figure this out. I mean zero ubw and hf show saber has no awareness of the sheath despite being so close to it showing she has no idea when it's around. Battle wise genshin impact units aren't good enough o compete. Gilgamesh alone could destory both fate and genshin impact by himself because his ea can destory it all. That alone shows the level of power fate units have.

[@rusheru7787]

EMIYA easily wins this one. He has so many ways that he can defeat Childe that it's not funny anymore. Hell, we don't even know just what kind of noble phantasms lying on Archer's UBW.

[@user-fb5ir3zz8l]

Childe has no defense against triple linked crane wings, neither does he have the firepower to breach rho ais.

[@ariflezmrcr1707]

Seeing most comment siding with our Shugosha: This does put a smile on my face Edit: Since Archer is a Counter Guardian, he went through many wars and battle and gain more experience for his next fight when summoned in HGW or Humanity Disaster( correct me if I'm wrong ).

[@jakthesac5175]

I think it’s really funny that they both copy weapons. Like, imagine, they just go back and forth copying each other

[@SushiUnhinged001]

I honestly think that most fate if not 90% of them would beat Genshin Characters due to power scaling differences, etc.

[@HDLLHANZ]

Angra Mainyu is the greatest and easiest to be killed of course. So the Genshin Characters have one on him.

[@kyleroman2744]

@@HDLLHANZ But keep him a from a holy grail

[@monke4163]

Yh buh the reason why i like this gy because he doesn't use all that He puts them on equal stat,then compare thier abilities together who would win (I know emiya still wins even at that,buh i like the way this gy does it)

[@Amelia_Whitevoid]

All genshin characters? Because I do think the archons might actually get a bit far in fate

[@MysticalArcane]

@@Amelia_Whitevoid They don't. Mid-tier servants have better feats and noble phantasms are absolutely ludicrous. They wouldn't even make it past Shiki Ryougi Tsukihime, who can't even fight servants because of the massive skill and stat difference.

[@dreamchaser3012]

Emiya can basically do anything. Perks of being the authors OC I guess

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

He can't stop suffering so there's that.

[@dreamchaser3012]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 He lives in the same universe that Kariya and Kiritsugu lived. He better grit those fucking teeth and take it.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

I don't understand your point? Obviously everyone inside Fate Stay Night is the author's OC. He's the one who created them after all

[@dreamchaser3012]

@@AnNguyen-es4kx ... You do know that all other servants are characters that already existed, right? PLEASE tell me you know that.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

@@dreamchaser3012 Yes, please tell me more about how a female king Arthur exist in real life, and why her sword is a divine construct forged centuries ago to wipe out an extraterrestrial titan from invading Earth is real world history. I'm sure you think she actually exist Well, here's the bad news. Those waifu and husbando does not exist in real life, son. Get your delusion under control

[@titustan2141]

Amazing video, I really hope to see more Fate series servants vs Genshin Character.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

I would actually hope for the weaker Servants to be paired. As of right now Grand Order Servants are many times more powerful than their Canon counterpart with how Grailing was canonized

[@titustan2141]

@@AnNguyen-es4kx hmmmm angra mainyu ?? XD

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

@@titustan2141 A Servant that is the second best at killing human? Damn he's ineffective against Servant, but you do realize his human killing potential is only second to Cath Palug right?

[@MiLfshAke5020]

When Emiya starts speaking English it might be over for Childe XD. “ I am the bone of my sword…” Childe- “ chuckle’s “I’m in danger”.

[@PotAtO-gh3zd]

This is the basicly an every original has its knock off copy moment

[@machiyukirei2812]

Remember that even when being attacked, archer still summoned UBW

[@venom890]

12:16 heck yeah, best dog is a force to be reckoned with, sad the game doesn't give him enough credit being a 3 star

[@no.notfromRDR]

Like sober oni says about every tank in the game "unfortunately They aren't Cu"

[@AlteredProf]

Really though? They buffed almost all his kit despite being a three star and even then he's the most buffed 3 star to date at least in the lancer category. He can solo most fights that aren't sabers or berserkers. He can hold his own against most challenge quests just ask Honako about it. Meanwhile Diamuid and proto Cu who are supposed to be offensive types are in the shadow realm

[@venom890]

I'm just saying, original Cú should be a 4 star

[@AlteredProf]

@@venom890 then he would become weaker then. Imagine a year 1 Cu 4star they would most likely wouldn't give him buffs because he's not readily accessible, the amount of 4 star servant buffs are few compared to 1-3 and 5 stars.

[@venom890]

@@AlteredProf Tru, good point

[@dinardwirachmadi5742]

emiya : unlimited blade works childe : Cooldown 41 seconds

[@nateklempner561]

Childe/Tartaglia's massive AoE attack actually CAN be dodged in-game, the very center of the arena won't be hit by any of the 4 Hydro blasts.

[@LocaIM0th]

So far everything we've seen in Genshin can get bodied by Karna *summoning* his spear no not using it i mean *literally just pulling it out*

[@dkcgaming1892]

To be fair, his spear is basically the Indian Mythology Extinction Event.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

We wanna see Mordred vs a really powerful electro character

[@ihavethehighground8697]

Mordred vs Raiden

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@ihavethehighground8697 yes! Or maybe Kequing or Beido?

[@tungsten8332]

@@thesymbiotenation.4552Against those two that would not be fair.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@tungsten8332 right... she's too powerful for them... than who besides Raiden Shogun?

[@tungsten8332]

@@thesymbiotenation.4552 that would be more of an equal match.

[@NRT101]

Archer\Shirou gains all of the skills and techniques of any weapon he wields created from his powers allowing Archer to wield that weapon as a master, unlike Gilgamesh. For example Gae Bolg would allow Archer to utilize all of the Noble Phantasm's abilities. He also possesses Fragrach from Bazett due to his, and Shirou's, interactions with her during Fate Hollow Ataraxia (Archer would have undoubtedly seen it used at least once given the nature of the story and would therefore have recorded it) which would allow Archer to always counter and nullify an enemy's trump card before it gets used via a paradox similar to Gae Bolg while also dealing a deadly blow. He does not use his full arsenal for story reasons but with the tools he has any opponent would lose to him regardless so long as mana was not a serious issue.

[@r.zacharian2126]

If your going to do Venti/Raiden against servant, may I suggest Atalanta for Venti and (mommy)Raikou for Raiden. With her being an Kagemusha turn Shogun, it's a pretty good Japanese theming. Note: I think Chacha vs Diluc and Avenger of Shinjiku vs Andrius(Boreas Luppus) will be funny as hell,

[@silvergolden6387]

Raikou for raiden is ok, but normal Atalanta vs Venti is ridiculous, in order to be fair, it should be berserk Atalanta

[@r.zacharian2126]

@@silvergolden6387 how is that fair? Venti will be mutilated in seconds against BerTalanta

[@silvergolden6387]

@@r.zacharian2126 the Golden Apple Archipielago was formed due to Venti blowing a little too hard, so i think it's fair... or do you prefer pairing him with Kama or Kiara? Speaking seriously now, when i'm pairing two characters, i'm doing it when they're at their top, which means that in this hypothetical battle, Venti is fighting Atalante with his Gnosis and Atalante Alter is fighting him while being able to change class again. The total control of an element (something that an Archon's gnosis can do) is something OP in the Fate series, Anastasia and Nikola Tesla can take on several warrior servants at the same time without being actually warriors because controlling an element is just THAT strong, so, in any case, the battle would be more inclined to Venti being the winner and the fair thing would put someone like Aquiles in this versus.

[@r.zacharian2126]

@@silvergolden6387 you know what, that actually kinda make sense. But Venti bearly use his Gnosis except for doing world editor to Mond, and even that he probably use more of his power than the Gnosis. But I'm not going to pair him with the planet f**er, that's a bit to much, maybe Arjun? but I'm not sure

[@poweroftheevilswarm2485]

Interesting video. I don't know much about Childe, but you missed a few details about EMIYA. The first would be that even if the chant to summon UBW is interrupted he can just start where he left off, so even if it takes five minutes he could complete the chant while stalling. The second would be that he can use his chant to strengthen himself or his projections. The third would be his body of swords which creates sub-dermal armor made of swords which while damaging him is strong enough to allow him to tank weak attacks. The fourth thing is just not considering all the Mystic Codes and Noble Phantasms he has access to and how those interact with UBW for instance Shirou in Heaven Feel being able to use a weaken version of Nine lives and that was just with EMIYA's arm, if EMIYA traced a copy of the Gae Bolg and used it's anti-unit ability if Childe didn't know about it, he would just die. (for those of you that don't know the Gae Bolg reverses cause and effect, meaning as some as you complete its true name it stabs the target in the heart, then the spear is thrust. Its range is listed as 2~4 meters, I assume that's from the tip of the spear. So as soon as Childe gets within range he's dead.) The fifth thing is just not considering the laws of the Nasu-verse if they fought on earth they would have to deal with the pressure of Gaia reducing the strength of their Magecraft meaning Childe might not even have any powers there. So for simplicity's sake we'll assume they're on the Genshin world, meaning EMIYA is no longer as restricted by Gaia and is more powerful than in the Holy Grail War, because a significant portion of the prana that went to maintaining his body can now be channeled into his Magecraft. So he can spam projections like Gilgamesh. also if the Genshin world has mana like earth, then he can absorb it to replenish his prana effectively giving him unlimited power. And finally the sixth and most obvious flaw, EMIYA can just change to spirit form, run away and snipe Childe with Hrunting which when used as a arrow moves at mach 10 and tracks its target as long as EMIYA has the target in line of sight.

[@yesitsme1214]

it is kind of ironic since ajax is childe s true name and emiya uses ro ayas

[@boreasthehero]

But Childe is just some Ajax while Rho Aias was made by THE Ajax of the Trojan war

[@leopoldotapia3534]

Forgot Archer's Mind Eye ability which gives him the ability to adapt to an opponents close up combat and come up with counter with both bow and sword at the same time.

[@memegodyato674]

Emiya is just too OP Childe will need his Foul Legacy Transformation to keep up

[@ArcyNeo]

I do have a few points. 1. Cu beating the shit out of Archer at the church wasnt solely because he rushed but because the guy is an anti archer unit incarnate, protection from arrows skill is not a joke, its the main reason except his speed that his rushes were so effective. 2. EMIYAs swordsmanship is honestly a bit of a tough one to judge, there are several points that needed to be accounted for in this aspect. In the cavern in the HF route Shirou with Archers arm beats Saber in a purely swordsmanship fight. This was done by drawing upon Archers skills so he essentially beats King Arthur in skill at least. In terms of skill alone, Archer can pretty much be a Saber (frankly with his theme being swords so much its a miracle he aint one). Not to mention he can see the history of any weapon he traces so he is also kinda stealing moves from legends. There is also the question of whether he can trace Childes hydro blades, probably can as there isnt anything that states these constructs are something divine or similar. 3. Experience, Archer has such an age advantage its not even funny, Childe is in his 20s while Archer is technically eons old and will never cease to exist as he is a Counter Guardian. 4. Archer actually isnt done growing, his reality marble has space for much more blades and with each one he grows stronger, not to mention there is a canon version of Emiya Shirou at peak mage potential, even better than Archer. That is Limited Zero Over. I dont know much more than that about him but it is essentially proof Archer can get stronger as well. 5.Archer has some level of a healing factor, whether we go by the logic of him being a servant or just UBW healing him. Its not exactly being Wolverine, but he can shrug of cuts and stabs no problemo. I frankly just wanted to point these things out cus why not. This fight was potrayed as very close but honestly it feels pretty one sided if you ask me. Archer is a guy who went from being a disgrace of a mage to a mf that can keep up with literal titans from the ages of gods. I love my boy childe, but he is getting his ass whooped in pretty much 8/10 cases. I can see Childe getting a W in some cases, but theyd have to be lucky..... sadly he prolly has Archer beat in that regard. bloody E ranked luck.

[@dkcgaming1892]

I'm sorry, but it's really funny imagining UBW completely filled with Swords. No ground to fight on... just swords.

[@fizzervc7264]

I think the hundreds if not thousands of years of experience Emiya has plus his Minds Eye would be what would really give him the advantage but also Emiya can counter all Childes ults fairly easy while Childe would have no real way to handle UBW. I mean if you think about it Emiya was able keep up with Cu and even took 6 life's off Herc so I don't think he's losing to our boy Tartag any time soon lol.

[@JorgeUchiha]

This is a very good analysis in fact. At some point I though it was being unfair with one or the other, however in the end I agree. It's not that Tartaglia is not strong, is just that Servants are on another level.

[@SDHVFS]

By the way 90% sure Archer using UBW against shirou is completely anime only And in the VN he didn't have the mana Also Archer using triple crane wing attack on Herc is anime only We actually don't see Archer and Herc fight We see triple crane wings Heavens feel spoilers Shirou using archers arm is able to defeat Saber alter in 1v1 combat

[@josh0068]

I mean technically all shirou did vs salter was stall until rider used her np

[@SDHVFS]

@@josh0068 No thats the normal and True ending In the VN you get choices and the wrong choices lead to VN bad ends(they are still canon) In a VN bad end you can choose to 1v1 Saber alter In this fight Saber alter only uses sword skills (whether pride or for shirous sake I don't know) And Shirou has to match her 1v1 He digs deep in Archers mind (using the arm) and finds the triple crane wing and uses it to defeat Saber However using Archers powers too much fries his brain and he is left brain dead and passes away

[@josh0068]

@@SDHVFS huh, interesting, I’ve only done one play through of the vn so I guess I made the right choice the first time there, I take back my statement

[@kallenlivesmatter3229]

@@josh0068 you can just write sparks liner high in KZbin and you'll get it

[@callmeandoru2627]

I kinda want Genshin to somedays makes a collab with the Fate series. Considering that Honkai has done a collab with Evangelion, there is a possibility.

[@orchidow5637]

Now let's say I theory signora vs medea was fair since 1 ruler breaker and F THIS but I we aren't counting that I think a Xiao vs diarmuid or Cu would be interesting

[@user-fb5ir3zz8l]

Cu would one shot xiao with gae bolg. Since xiao has no conceptual weapon or thick plot armour, he can’t negate the attack.

[@orchidow5637]

@@user-fb5ir3zz8l ok time to be fair and diarmuid vs Xiao .... or Valkyrie vs xiao

[@orchidow5637]

@@user-fb5ir3zz8l but he has one things DEPPRESSION jokes apart

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@orchidow5637 Diarmuid spears also has similar effect as well.

[@orchidow5637]

@@zeryuouros4411 but does not decides to one shot you on the heart that's the diff

[@kogatenebralux1128]

Next timew we need a _Jean vs Saber_ battle. Because seriously, Jean reminds me A LOT of Artoria Pendragon x)

[@KewlAlexYT]

Archer solo's entire Genshin universe

[@briantutorial_]

L take

[@Ahloveyafuhso]

You forgot to mention while Archer is using his shield he can just recite the chant anyways! He is Shirou Emiya! He's done it before!.

[@davidt6814]

Is this even a fair fight? You got a character like Eniya that spans several franchises and games which gives him more feats to access. You’d at least have to make Eniya fight like Zhongli or something.

[@dkcgaming1892]

I mean, it's not a fair fight, but Emiya hasn't really done anything that he hasn't already done in Fate/Stay Night. EMIYA and Emiya Shirou are the same person, so anything Shirou can do, EMIYA can do better. We're just seeing the extent of his abilities and weapons in other materials, like he uses Caladbolg and Hrunting in FSN but we get actual descriptions from Hollow Ataraxia and FGO.

[@davidt6814]

@@dkcgaming1892 we’ve never really see Emiya use nine lives though

[@dkcgaming1892]

That's not true. In Fate/Kaleid, Miyuverse Shirou projected Nine Lives against Angelica using the Archer Install Card which contains, surprise surprise, EMIYA. Likewise, in Heaven's Feel we also see Shirou Emiya project Nine Loves using Archer EMIYA's arm.

[@davidt6814]

@@dkcgaming1892 so this backs what I said earlier to use someone that would be a better match.

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@davidt6814 Oh definitely. I did say that contrary to the video, this fight is not even close. The skill gap, experience gap, weaponry gap, and ability gap is far too wide collectively to even be a fight. He didn't take into consideration Spirit Form, which Archer can take an he would be effectively invisible and invulnerable. Heaven's Feel Shirou Emiya would be a close fight because his greatest feat is beating Saber Alter 1v1, so he has the strength and skill (by proxy through Projection) advantage but Childe would have the speed and experience advantage, making it even. Tartaglia would basically beat HF Shirou Emiya 6 times out of 10 due to the insane speed and power boost. They also have around the same stamina, as Archer's arm also puts a heavy strain on him. What saves Emiya Shirou is his impossible healing factor. His skin and flesh is basically a sword mesh, and he still has Avalon.

[@bb_summernp2881]

One of the most iconic character of Fate franchise Vs a perfect nobody... well done

[@joseluisdemasi5130]

Shirou all the way

[@Kuroyami0Fukaikuro]

8:19 "This move cannot be avoided" Me: Stands in the center of the arena, in the safe space between the four impact areas

[@rebelblade7159]

Well EMIYA's parameters may seem not that great at first but Projection can also copy the strength and skill of the wielder of the projected weapon, as we see with Shirou's monologues in the Nine Lives Blade Works scene in HF route.

[@DreamTiger5]

I’m getting the feeling that power scale in FGO is significantly different from Genshin and these matches are almost always going to end in favor of the FGO character.

[@ShatteredStarIight]

EMIYA is an Archer that wants to be a Saber who is actually a Caster.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

With the fighting style of an Assassin might I add

[@SimpIjb]

Fun fact about Childe’s boss fight. If you hit him with the element that he’s currently using he can full counter(like Meliods from seven deadly sins)you unless he is in his in his final delusion form.

[@acnologia1020]

Can we get more versus battle like this

[@lozdbzmario]

Even among servants I think archer is highly underrated. He has nearly unmatched versatility thanks to UBW. Nameless is just straight up broken, being able to project divine constructs.

[@AnNguyen-es4kx]

Tbh CCC Servants don't count in term of Canon power. They're all planet busters in their own way

[@ryujinjaeger666]

There is also archers experience as a counter guardian as well no one really knows how long he has been fighting the most we get is that he's been doing it for at least centuries. Just thought I'd add my two cents. Nice video regardless. It fun to watch videos like this.

[@Tankerrex3]

"The bow is my weakest weapon and therefore i must master it" *proceeds to melee all the enemies*

[@agitodragoon3736]

If you think this fight would be unfair Archer Gilgamesh vs Childe

[@trapzbeatz4601]

That will go full mode Genocide

[@txicemiya1625]

Man is giving Childe Stan false hope,Illya Prisma Archer AKA Shiro Emiya clapped all 6 other servant card holder(People who borrows the power of servants through a card,their power are a rank or 2 lower) Illya Prisma Shiro Emiya is weaker than Stay Night Archer

[@Ekamin1]

First I thought this was an unfair match up for Childe coz archer have infinite god like weapons. But It depends coz of the universe barrier. Genshin fights are less flashy which makes ppl think they are weeker. Same problem comes when comparing honkai and genshin. But, Delusions itself are made to hunt archons who are basically supercharged gods. (And they don't drain life force but could back fire)

[@vardhangaming8193]

he can use broken phantasm which are stronger than the real ones

[@Kakakaka-ri2kr]

Emiya has way too much skills and weapons in his arsenal. One of those is turning quite a number of legendary weapons (spears and event swords) into an arrow for any of his legendary bows. (JUST ONE OF HIS HUNDREDS OF SKILLS)