Archery FAQ: Nocking Point on a “Horsebow”, which effects?

[@markroberts6971]

All so true. Thank you Armin. First step I use is proper hand location……then create a reference on the handle. I regrip my handles, and add several wraps of heavy cord around the handle, just beneath my little finger, and tape over the cord. Recover/regrip the handle. Now I have an exact hand placement…… which creates the arrow pass location. Next, using a bow square, located where the bottom of the arrow shaft would be located at the arrow pass, go to the bow square correctly attached to the string, and measure up and mark the location on string serving. 5/8” is pretty traditional for many shorter draw bows. I use 3/4” for my Zhu Ran. The longer the draw, the more the nock presents itself in relation to the arrow shelf. I find for me, w/ the 3/4” nock location, I don’t get thumb nicks while drawing 34”-35” on my Zhu Ran. Can vary for others. Tie on your nocking point starting at the mark, tying upwards. A whip finish or Nail Knot work very well for the nocking point. Ever since using this method, my groups are smaller, I never get a bow had nick, and I don’t need a forearm guard. Hope this helps.

[@karate357]

Thank you for sharing an excellent technique 🙏🏽

[@billphillips3292]

Armin, Thank you for your advice on this. I was tired of having fletching dig into my bow hand, so I started wearing a glove to prevent it. Last night I took your advice and set a knocking point .5" high as you suggest, and it works great. Today while practicing, I shot 300 arrows without a glove and without issue! Thanks again!

[@bizeldo]

The sound of your voice conveys wisdom and experience. You seem to be talking to me rather that at me and I think that is why I enjoy your videos. Stay safe out there!

[@ArminHirmer]

thank you

[@karate357]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience so freely and genuinely.🙏🏽👌🏽

[@donalddevall7184]

so, while I'll admit I do not love the presentation style... I have to thank Armin for the sheer amount of solid info on Asiatic shooting. There is no better collection of video info on this style of shooting.

[@John17thru26]

thanks, i don't think most people appreciate the level of instruction they are getting in these videos. i feel very lucky to have this info. i wish i had it 50 years ago. you are making a very complicated aspect of the bow very simple to understand. thanks.

[@adriaanvandenberg5013]

I don't see a lot of people shooting with a single nocking point with traditional bows at my club, definitely going to try it out once they open again. Thanks Armin!

[@repentant]

Your the foremost expert on eastern short bows. Thanks for the good info

[@singharchery3043]

Yes, the nocking point on string always makes sense if you want to be consistent in shooting... as using nocking point on string is one of the factor regarding consistent shooting...nice video by Ma. Armin ... :)

[@godwill7968]

Thx for the explanation. Greetings from indonesia

[@Knight108cb]

I've been trying to figure this out myself because mine has no nocking point and when I started I was all over the place then I've been trying to pay attention then i thought I'd make it as straight as possible and wasn't sure what the best way was so thanks for this!

[@Beowulf975]

Thanks for the clarification Armin, another great insightful video.

[@pmccord9]

I adjusted the point just 1/2 inch and the fletchings no longer cut my hand! Thanks!

[@glennc1961]

Really enjoy the tutorial posts I have practised thumb draw archery for a little while but have no one in my area that does this. So my tutor in Asiatic shooting is far away in Malta 😉 Thank you Silver hawk keep up the good work

[@Lomochrome]

The sign on the door is just perfect. I need that on a shirt for the everyday people in my life lol.

[@ArminHirmer]

Hahaha

[@Appleblade]

Love those stills / frozen arrow shots. Very telling. Thx!

[@sigmanarchery54]

Yes I have to agree I think a knocking point is very important for consistency.

[@IraJavier]

Thank you, very interesting. I've been shooting 90°, but I'll try moving the nock point up a few cm.

[@msrvfx]

So, for consistency, it would appear that since we don’t have a defined arrow shelf we need a consistent grip “location” on the handle, since our own hand becomes the defining arrow shelf. Would seem ideal to have some “grip element” that defines our best grip location on “our bow” for “our hand size”. Perhaps a small ridge under our handle grip leather, or over it, to locate the bottom of the hand, or a similar grip element just above our middle finger or index finger first knuckle at the hand.

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Hi! Mr.Armin. I always had that curiosity about this topic. but practice it and remember the same position where placing the arrow has worked well for me. Some modern recurve Archers have told me I haven't taken advantage of my bow because of the nocking point. I see clearly what means by your video. Thanks.

[@Leverguns50]

That’s very interesting, thank you for the information

[@rickydlayaute5387]

Short and efficient video!!! Thank's Meister Armin🙏😊🙏 Richard Lionheart (from french jail) 👍😎🏹🇫🇷

[@tammynfletcher]

Thank you for the very informative video my friend. Looks like a good time to get alot of shooting in with the lockdowns going on everywhere. Stay safe my friends!

[@f.h.6997]

Thank you for the explanation.Greetings from Berlin.

[@aarondavenport3143]

I just want to make sure I’m following, are you suggesting that instead of a right angle or perpendicular nocking point, it should angle slightly downward - or rather angle the nock slightly above the tip so it points slightly downward?

[@GunCollector007]

Thank you!

[@stefanhansen5882]

So the only advantage of a higher nocking point is not to scratch the left hand? Or did it also have a positive effect on the flight of the arrow?

[@kristiangustafson4130]

Today I Learned I was knocking wrong all along.

[@FibowaveStrategy]

Great tutorials keep it up

[@threecsandak2797]

Mr hirmer, which bow is more worth getting/ better, alibows genghis khan fibre glass, or af archerys mongol fiberglass bow

[@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas]

Thank you.

[@kowalski363]

Great video

[@LinusGustafsson]

Learn so much from your vids! Thanks. :)

[@ragotphilippeh6496]

Excellent review, as usual ! Could you tell me what is the model and brand that beautiful little black bow you showed at the start of the video? Thanks you .

[@BUDKUS85304]

Mr. Arman always makes sense I was wondering about that little black or also the make and the model?

[@DanVaverick]

So basically you have the nocking point higher on a horsebow just to avoid the fletch hitting your thumb?

[@ArminHirmer]

Yes

[@DanVaverick]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you! I own the AF Archery Turkish horsebow, so I'll be sure to do that and see how it performs next time I'm out shooting!

[@kingsgambit]

To be honest I dont really understand why a higher nocking point would decrease scratching by the fletchings. The shaft still rests on the bow hand's thumb joints/knuckles/somewhere. The fletchings will still follow the path of the shaft and scratch the bow hand's skin, just from a slightly steeper angle. What am I missing?

[@ArminHirmer]

One of the miracles in archery :) it just works

[@OpiatesAndTits]

I can’t tell you why it works but if I nock a little off 90 degrees and especially if I use feathers I don’t get scratches

[@joshuawiest5091]

Very informative, thank you!

[@robsarchery9679]

Another good one.Thanks

[@trexypoo5360]

How do you know which part of the bow is the top and bottom on a horse bow? Since its symmetrical?

[@ArminHirmer]

Either arrow pass or writing

[@trexypoo5360]

@@ArminHirmer Wow you actually answered, the Armin Hirmer answered. Thank youu!!

[@ArminHirmer]

@@trexypoo5360 always do my best :D

[@stevehuffman7453]

What is the effect of the various nocking points on the target? Do you have to adjust your aim? It looked like the 90 degree nock the arrow wasn't flying point low. Does string walking make a difference if/when you have the nock raised a little?

[@ArminHirmer]

I don’t do string walking so I can’t tell, sorry

[@MrPatski1]

Do you still make baking soda

[@ArminHirmer]

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[@ColetteNoir]

I have been learning the thumb draw again thanks to you, years after I studied Kyudo. Your videos truly do help!

[@zameckis9315]

This has been in my mind for quite awhile but, does it even matter if i dont know which part was the upsidedown of the horse bow? Since theres arrow rest for other type but theres none in horsebow

[@laviadelcane1527]

Do you feel there is a difference in shooting oriental and with khatra if the male/index feather is toward the archer or toward outside?

[@paulvoragen8288]

What’s that black and kinda white turkish, did you already review it

[@ArminHirmer]

its an older one frommTaylor Bow Hungary, I did a review. Pretty bow with faux horn on the belly and they are not expensive

[@ondineequine]

I'm curious about asymmetrical bows. I've seen you review a couple. Is there one you could recommend for horse archery?

[@ArminHirmer]

The problem is that almost no one is building them

[@ArminHirmer]

But the best I know is living arrow from Mihai Cozmei

[@ondineequine]

@@ArminHirmer thanks

[@OpiatesAndTits]

You think alibow would take a custom order for an aysmmetrical bow?

[@daniellisy7161]

If you look at the archeological founding on ancient Scytian bows, in fact they all have been asymmetrical, a shame no one who is making and selling “Scytian” bow even bothers to make them asymmetrical it really makes sense.

[@edgarmartinez2983]

Lukas Novotny (Saluki Bows) builds his Scythian bows with the grip further down towards the lower limb. Jason Wayne Beever (JWB BOWS) builds his Scythian bows asymmetrical as well.

[@thelonerider9693]

Learning a lot from these presentations. Question - what is the best material to make an arrow pass out of so the bow doesn't get scratched? I have used a small strip of leather on mine but it is getting scratched up after a week. I have heard some used ray skin but that seems out of my budget or accessibility. Any cheap ideas?

[@ArminHirmer]

Many use ray skin

[@thelonerider9693]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you.

[@hominmundus]

Nocking point is modern bow accessory, am i right? So why use nocking point on traditional bow? It is incongruous to me.

[@eminen0703]

Cómo conseguir uno de esos?

[@Lost_Hwasal]

I like the korean way with the colored serving. But nocks are always good.

[@youcanthandlethetruth6976]

I'm a little stupid, so I have to ask this question. What was the difference in the knock adjustments? I saw the stills, but like I said, I'm a little slower than others, so I didn't understand what the difference was, thanks for whoever helps me out here lol.

[@ArminHirmer]

Arrow flight, when the nock is too high or too low it will have an impact on how straight your arrow will fly.

[@youcanthandlethetruth6976]

@@ArminHirmer Oh wow, you're right. Didn't even think of that, thanks for the explanation! love the videos!

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Arrow vibration. Easy to see and virtually zero with high knocking point.

[@markzimmermann4167]

You can shot around obsticle if you nock high :) its a nice feature. We always grab bow on the lower grip part were the bow arm starts to widen. Your hand hits up and cant slide lower, so you also better with symetric bows.

[@ArminHirmer]

of course, but that was not the point of this video :)

[@AlfaRevoluzione]

Du schiesst ja mehr Videos raus als Pfeile

[@ArminHirmer]

Keine Buchungen, die Leute bleiben daheim... irgendwas muss ich ja auch tun :D