Are AIO's The FUTURE of FPV? | Aikon Torture Test

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

This is great watching Evan Turner grow from kid to adult and facial hair. KEEP SENDING IT EVAN

[@headsupfpv]

Hahha will do !

[@PrOpJuNkiE]

I cant get over how long that lipo is making it running wide open like that!! That's a testament to a whole lot of parts there!!🤔

[@headsupfpv]

We try and use nothing but the best always :)

[@rainsquadfpv]

Ya I thought it would turn into a giant fire ball at mock Jesus

[@Fly_High_FPV]

Really? Any quad should be able to full throttle a whole pack, that's my preferred method of killing lipos, do it all the time in a quad that weighs 30% more.

[@josephrsalexander4589]

Failure is on prop strike (crash). This is when you get a voltage spike - the motor becomes a generator.

[@headsupfpv]

You’re right ! I’ll have to try this next

[@Venrad]

Perhaps try adding a tvs diode/spike absorber

[@farmlifefpv8735]

​@Venrad They only do so much

[@jiatan_fpv]

It's a long tale. They've done tests with an oscilloscope - no spikes on crash. It makes no theoretical sense either, since the highest voltage (also known as back EMF) is at highest RPM. During a strike the voltage just drops, that's it.

[@farmlifefpv8735]

@jiatan_fpv The thing is during that prip strike the amps will skyrocket and the ESC will try as hard as it can to push the motor back to where it was, amps be damned unless the rampup power is turned down. And iirc the voltage spikes are mainly when you're at high power and let off?

[@TONY...GTB6]

Thanks!

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks for this!

[@TONY...GTB6]

@@headsupfpv I know it's not much but if everyone would contribute a little bit we'd all be better for it

[@dutchfpv7010]

Oh man, I could have helped you with this. AIOs have been the present for me for years and I've tested a bunch of them. I've run AIOs on my ultralights and even street league drones for years to great success. Since your stack is less cluttered and the board is bigger you actually get great heat dissipation. More often than you think you kill ESCs by hitting something while they're hot (and the solder is hot) and they shift, shorting or damaging components. I have AIOs that are 2 & 3 years old and fly great. They're def where the hobby should be going. Great video!

[@headsupfpv]

Super interesting ! Definitely tell me your favorites !

[@DiaboloIIICzarodziej]

Accidentally i found your content today... watched a few clips 👏👏👏

[@headsupfpv]

I’m glad !! Hope you’ve enjoyed

[@HankWest-w3m]

Thanks Evan. Really enjoying your videos and learning a lot. Well done dude. Been wanting to build 3.5” . The little flipper looks like a ripper.

[@headsupfpv]

Glad you like them! The little flipper is an absolute joy

[@marvfpv1590]

Ive been thinking about vertical battery mounting... Now seeing it in a box frame it makes a lot of sense, super creative! Honestly my favourite part of the video, would love to give that a try!

[@headsupfpv]

We may do a small batch for people, it’s super unique !

[@marvfpv1590]

@headsupfpv do lmk, I thought I was done with box frames but this looks like a great use of the concept^^ fun timing too as I'm just about getting out of a 2year racing hiatus

[@christofferj.madsen1432]

best review ive seen in a while

[@headsupfpv]

thank you !!

[@BeanbasticFPV]

Bro those flight tests gave me a heart attack 😂

[@headsupfpv]

LOL, we were so close to doing this at the shop but decided we would hold off 😂

[@jana171]

Been thinking of a similar build for a while wondering this exact question, that I think you just answered... Great video !! AIO's could def be a great opportunity to make builds lighter, smaller and even more simple, without sacrificing performance and durability.

[@headsupfpv]

Totally agree!!

[@PropsOff]

Super fun and entertaining torture test, of the year, lol.. I thought it was going to desync 4shO...🤯 Thanks for the video Evan...👍🏻🍻👊🏻

[@headsupfpv]

I did too! Haha. Thanks for watching props off

[@FlyDreamEcuador]

The new QUADMOVR haha

[@andrewcouchkayhickey4342]

Instead of having a AIO with FC and ESC and then seperate receiver and VTX I think its better to split it the other way: have AIO with FC, ELRS receiver and HD Zero VTX on one board and seperate 4 in 1 ESC. That way killing an ESC doesnt take out your FC and it would be just as compact in a build. I suggested this to HD Zero after they released their AIO whoop board and they acknowledged the idea. So heres hoping.

[@headsupfpv]

That would be the ultimate build, great idea !

[@hughjanus5518]

I remember when they started coming out over 5 years ago and the main reason the majority said no is you have to replace it all if you ruin just one part, many didnt like 4 in 1 ESCs for this very reason, gotta replace all when you just burn out one.

[@headsupfpv]

This is definitely a downside? But i am curious with the seperate fc kinda taped on there if you could in theory replace it! I’m super curious

[@Robocopter_fpv]

The goal I guess is to not bust them haha. There are benefits like it being lighter, less noise. U can fit it in a slammed frame. I like the idea of it just don’t know how it handles crashing cuz that’s what I do a lot 😂

[@DeMoNSe3d]

The last few esc that I have burnt, actually killed my FC with the fire anyway lol

[@EdgardMaisonet]

This my favorite video! jajaja That was so fun! You should make a reel from the clip full throttle I watch it like 5 time. went you say I just going to yiiiiinnnnn and yiiiiiiiiinnnn jajajaja

[@headsupfpv]

😂😂😂

[@Jaceace87]

Lately insane this video is a banger

[@FPZzzz]

Wow amazing build! I like the idea of AIO's. That's a tough one!

[@headsupfpv]

Thank ya!

[@mrmoon_fpv]

awesome video. I built a 5 inch Grinderino with a skystars AIO and i'ts been working well. I haven't flown it that much but i'll definitely put it through more tests like you just did and report back. Let's see if it holds up. When I first built it I did have issues but updating to BF 4.5 and Bluejay to the latest version fixed the issues.

[@Deathwish_fpv]

That was cool dude...cant believe that held up

[@headsupfpv]

Me either !

[@DanielJohnFPV]

That is crazy impressive! Gonna have to look at one of those!

[@headsupfpv]

I was blown away!

[@ChainsawFPV]

That battery took that like a friggen champ! How you liking those stick ends? Mine will be here Saturday, can't wait to try them.

[@headsupfpv]

The battery absolutely rocked it. Loving my stickends dude can’t wait for everyone to get theirs!

[@A.D.K.FPV123]

DUDE... That thing is SCREAMIN' The frame reminds me of a very old school box frame that Catalyst Machineworks designed, but I don’t think they ever released it. AIO's would be cool to see into the mainstream as the price comes down.

[@headsupfpv]

100% agree man. Would be so cool

[@ZKingFPV]

Sooo whens the quad coming out? That thing is sick

[@headsupfpv]

If the interest is there, maybe we’ll make it a reality!

[@JusticeFPV]

Absolutely loving the consistent content! For some real ESC torture, try this: zero out all your PIDs, strap the quad to something really heavy, and set a switch to cycle through 0-100, 25-75, and 50-100 throttle ranges. In flight, you're never maxing out all the channels at once like this!

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks! I will have to try this hahaha it sounds terrifying and I love it

[@FPV_TOMMY]

That thing could powerloop a cloud 🔥🔥🔥

[@headsupfpv]

😂😂

[@KimboFPV]

I use AIO's in my 3 Racing Drones (Sub-250, 4.5 Inch Props, 4s 650 Mah batts).......all 3 AIO's can been amazing and no hiccups, no problems + LOTS of crashing ! lol.......unfortunately my 2024 Summer GQ time was around 58 seconds for 3 laps, so I'm not pushing as hard/fast as some of the better pilots....Great work innovating, Keep it up!

[@headsupfpv]

Nice! What’s your go to aio!? Hope to see you at a GQ/ a race sometime this year !

[@thatguywhojuggles]

That's really cool! Looking forward to Jan 11th!

[@headsupfpv]

excited to see you there !

[@lazyhominid]

Really interesting. I've been looking at building a small LR drone and looking at older models I was worried about the strain which an AIO would be under, but it's pretty clear I can build around a really light weight AIO and it will last pretty much until it falls apart. Or until I break it, which will be a lot sooner...

[@headsupfpv]

We can't take this test as 100% guarantee, but yes, it performed very very good and is quite promising for the future.

[@AkshayKumar-qc4rz]

The CG Is such a good name!

[@headsupfpv]

I agree!

[@verdi6092]

I was looking at a a dot 4:00 then realise its a dirt on the lens 😂

[@headsupfpv]

LOL I really need to clean it

[@medienmond]

This is way too expensive 130 bucks is crazy. .

[@headsupfpv]

Fair enough! Hopefully they get cheaper

[@raj.wakale]

That's insane bro.

[@frshagen]

My pockets prefer them seperately

[@headsupfpv]

Same here! But you’ll see in the video the fc and esc portions actually are seperate, maybe we can figure out how to just replace one or the other ? This would be crazy if so.

[@EMDRONES]

You are the new EnvyAstro 😂❤ jk but this looks good

[@headsupfpv]

I thought this too hahaha

[@JonHartman-v6d]

The problem is the tiny FET. They are decent with small motors, but crap with the 5" plus motors. You can do this test with a lot of the AIO out there now and you won't blow the ESC up with throttle. The real test is can you tune the AIO to perform as well as a normal 30x30 ESC with full size FET. In my experience when you get to the edge of the performance envelope you hit issues with tuning and propwash and PIDs need to be dropped on high KV motors to avoid desync or poor performance. Good video. Love to see if you could get this AIO tuned up enough to do a blindfolded pepsi challenge against a tuned racing build with a normal 20x20 or 30x30.

[@headsupfpv]

I’m going to test this!

[@anthonyknight1988]

Fun watch. That’s wild it help up not going to lie. 😅super cool!

[@headsupfpv]

I was blown away man. Stoked for what it can mean for the future !

[@Sugalime3D_FPV]

The battery in the middle is a good idea in itself, but it should still be above the props so that it balances out the weight under the props imo ...

[@headsupfpv]

Would love to tinker with FC placement because of this!

[@Jaceace87]

Can you teach me how to make one of these pretty pleased with sugar on top?

[@headsupfpv]

Sure ! Maybe can do a build video. Haha

[@Badger_FPV]

Turtle mode blew my new speedybee aio and the mamba aio has started desyncing after a 5 crashes so im back to 20x20 stacks, the layout for the FETs on the esc just seems better for my flying.

[@headsupfpv]

Interesting ! Will have to see how it holds up

[@ElectricGang-eformss]

Wow that’s crazy the speed on that thing is monster that board is the future 💯

[@headsupfpv]

10000 percent agree!

[@Enginair]

I was on a center CG kick for a while. It was nice

[@headsupfpv]

You were the first one I remember back at freedom spec champs wayyyyyy back. Have loved watching all your crazy paramotor content man!

[@Enginair]

@@headsupfpv Thanks dude. Starting to think about drones again. I figure going full time van life will make for some fun freestyle opportunities. I cant be paramotoring all the time

[@محمدعترانآلالحارث-و9م]

It's a nice video I'm training on DRL racing simulator is it a good choice?

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely. Hope to see you improve !

[@dutchfpv7010]

Yes! Its great for muscle memory.

[@SbangFPV]

3:57 im even okay with 30x30 Aio. Should be able to pump out more amps. That’ll be sick. But then you’ll have to replace the whole thing if any single component breaks.

[@headsupfpv]

This part definitely isn’t great I agree. Hopefully they just get more reliable in the future !

[@chrisbee5481]

Aikon makes solid electronics. From my experience the aio's can handle even 2207 up to 110A on 6S. Just dont crash or turtle. The esc on mine didnt handle it. Might be different on this premium expensive one. Having fc and esc seperate makes maintenance easy and cheaper. Oh and electrial noise is worse in aios

[@amen_ra6926]

With some work, maybe they can resolve that issue.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

That's really good data!!! Mine is similar. I find 2106.5 and 550 grams about the limit. Definitely don't turtle!!! And measure the resistances on the MOSFETs and swap them when they get above a 10-20% imbalance or you will lose a controller, in addition to a MOSFET. I did a 6" bi-blade freestyle basher on 2306s for a bit but you have to swap all the MOSFETs every 40- 80 packs and as you mentioned flight performance isn't quite as good because of the extra noise due to AIO component compactness.

[@SteveMcCormack_]

Would love to use my new speedybee AIO but it's surprisingly difficult to find frames over 4" that accept 25.5mm FC mounting

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely not many available right now. Hopefully it changes if the tech proves it’s reliable!

[@xyic0re714]

Hi Evan, appreciate your videos. You seem to know a lot about this stuff, perhaps you can help me with this question - Its about amps. I'm using rcinpower 1002 19000kv motors GTS 3. I'm using 1s. The datasheet for these motors with 2015 bi-blade props suggest that they pull more than 5amp. I've seen other prebuilt quads like the sub250 nanofly 20 1s uses 1002 21000kv motors, with a 5amp aio. I am using a 12amp aio with the rcinpower motors because of the datasheet. I would love to use a 5amp aio - since I could just use the same as what my whoop uses... I'm too scared to try it out.

[@headsupfpv]

Quite honestly, you should be fine. Most esc’s amp rating refers to what they can hold constantly and not burst. Depends how you’re flying of course, but I have seen 5 amp whoop fc’s do some impressive stuff so I think you’re good!

[@xyic0re714]

@@headsupfpv Thanks Evan, I guess I will just have to sacrifice one and see how it goes. The happymodel 12a are a lot more pricey than the whoop boards, especially the new betafpv 5in1

[@lemonsquareFPV]

​@@xyic0re714 I have never broken a HM or BetaFPV 12A board... 5A boards I have to CONSTANTLY change MOSFETs on. Unless you are going ultra light 65 or 75mm it's best to use a 12A board.

[@xyic0re714]

@@lemonsquareFPV Thanks for the feedback. I thought this might be the case. I don't suppose you know the name of the camera connector on the happymodel X12 aio? None of my cameras have connectors, and this connector is a pain to remove from the board. I would prefer just to buy some premade connectors and resolder the camera end.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@xyic0re714 There is pads on the top of the board, don't need the connector. Video, 5V, and ground. Look up the board pinout. Also the X12 has another set of emergency hidden pads under the connector, if it breaks off. But just use the ones on the edge of the board it's easier. The connector is the 1.25mm I think, standard camera connector, but don't quote me on the number, I gotta check. I just know it's the standard camera size. But I never use them and have a dozen spare harnesses.

[@Noical]

Pt 2 crash test when??

[@headsupfpv]

oh it is going to happen hahaha

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

We all know the crash is going to happen but are you going to get it on film

[@CloudwalkerFPV]

Been telling tons of people how durable and high quality Aikon's products are for a good while now. I would exclusively fly their esc's and fc's if I could.

[@headsupfpv]

I think you are onto something for sure !

[@philipjenkinsDjiflyer]

Man it looked good man I'd say yes and let see what happens

[@headsupfpv]

That’s the plan!

[@xtr0d3m0n]

Crazy. I still remember multiwii 😂

[@headsupfpv]

That’s awhile back hahahah

[@SkermiebroTech]

Isnt that the 45amp version the 60a version has the usb on a corner not the edge

[@headsupfpv]

I believe it was the 60? I’ll double check

[@MatthewTaylor3]

Please state the battery used in both tests

[@headsupfpv]

it is a prototype Five33 battery :) will be out in spring probably

[@Booster388]

What about doing a freestyle build with it

[@headsupfpv]

Already on it !

[@John-g5l8z]

What about the new AIO from speedybee? The purple one

[@headsupfpv]

Do you have a link? I’d love to try it

[@John-g5l8z]

@@headsupfpv its on speedybees official website "SpeedyBee F405 AIO 40A Bluejay 25.5x25.5 3-6S Flight Controller". Its also on getfpv

[@FlyDreamEcuador]

Interesting how it first only shows battery low when cornering throgh the G forces acting...

[@headsupfpv]

Hmmm didn’t notice this, super interesting

[@MewoFPV]

Finally!!! Been burning money trying out AIOs for so many years but they always sucked haha hopefully they start getting them right cuz it would be nice to not have to design around a tall stack

[@headsupfpv]

This Aikon one has totally impressed me. Builds will get insane with just 2 high stacks i’m convinced.

[@ChrisCroft77]

I remeber when 4 in 1 ESC started coming out the same arugment about if one fails then you ahve to replace all 4 ESCs. Now there is similar arguement with AIOs for quads.

[@headsupfpv]

Exactly right, I’m excited to see how the technology improves, hopefully it only becomes more reliable! They have a great thing going

[@ChrisCroft77]

@@headsupfpv I have a AT32 AIO on my 3 inch race quad and that it gets bashed around wih no issues. But that is 4s on a 6s AIO

[@DreadPoolFPV]

Jesus wept ... that thing is fast!!!!

[@DriftaholiC]

I've been thinking about the same kind of frame though geared more towards free style and having a battery in the middle kinda like the dji potato

[@headsupfpv]

Sounds super interesting!

[@DriftaholiC]

@headsupfpv the thought is how much can you optimize a frame when the components are preselected.

[@Black-ice_fpv]

Thats a great AIO, but Im stuck with HAKRC F7220 AIO , Ive never blown one, its a beast in the 533 switchback HD, so the vista can fit on the top plate.

[@headsupfpv]

Interesting ! Do you run it on 6s? That sounds like the perfect build for HD

[@kerrymillar4981]

Need some 65amp aio,s

[@headsupfpv]

For real!

[@Kai-P]

Which drone and battery would use and provide more than 200A?

[@hairyhider7478]

The cold weather probably helps

[@headsupfpv]

10000 percent does, excited to test in higher temps!

[@hairyhider7478]

@headsupfpv We got 2 inches of snow today.In far east, Tennessee

[@jasonearle3549]

How fast do you think that thing went

[@headsupfpv]

Probably ~120

[@BoostedKA]

Is that the 45a one

[@headsupfpv]

I believe this is the 60 a one

[@edgarces8]

How fast was that thing going? Isn't 100 mph the max speed allowed without an FAA waiver or am i wrong?

[@taylorowen7558]

I use this AIO and the HAKRC F7220 50AMP AIO in 4 Five33 builds for 6Months and nothing has blown.... I am interested in that crazy Frame as well...

[@headsupfpv]

Great to hear ! I think they are getting better and better dude. We may do a small batch of the vertical frame for those interested !

[@BenderFPV]

Hi, curious why you went with the Aikon AIO 45A, when there is also an Aikon AIO 60A available. That is (oddly) even cheaper and seems more capable to handle 6s. Any specific reason?

[@headsupfpv]

I need to check my links!

[@BenderFPV]

@headsupfpv thanks. That would be great! Just curious because I would like to give it a try as well ;)

[@ghostrot]

Would a heavyer quad be harder for aio ?

[@headsupfpv]

Potentially? It’s all about amp draw so really depends on what motor and prop you use on it i would say

[@clawson7064]

What tune do you have on this quad?

[@headsupfpv]

I believe this is just karate race !

[@aarondodson1261]

How about that speedy bee

[@headsupfpv]

I need to try it!

[@amen_ra6926]

If after testing a good quantity and if it's discovered that they hold up, this could really change the sub 250 game. Generally we know that it's Turtle Mode that kills ESCs for us the fly freestyle. Hopefully, that can be addresed.

[@headsupfpv]

I’m worried about turtle mode for sure, we will test this moving forward !

[@Sugalime3D_FPV]

Super low stacks are actually not ideal in a perfect world. Because the FC and gyro sensor should theoretically be on the same level (center) as the propellers. That's why I'm going to try to build stacks like this: 1) ESC 2) VTX 3) FC. That means the FC is at the top not the VTX. And I am using very high standoffs... The disadvantage could be the heat that goes to the FC when the quad is disarmed...

[@headsupfpv]

Interesting idea!

[@flfll8187]

how heavy is the dron and is a 250g a thing

[@headsupfpv]

this drone weighs exactly 250 grams without a battery however there are drones out there under 250 grams including everything !

[@SkelaKing]

Only thing I don’t like about AIOs is that busting a component means replacing the whole thing. Other than that I’m all for it

[@headsupfpv]

Same here

[@zlachannel8674]

please test the AIO from neutron RC that has 80A-160A (6s-8s)

[@zlachannel8674]

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[@headsupfpv]

I will give it a shot !

[@zlachannel8674]

@@headsupfpv thank you so much sirr,,,big love for the Five33 stores, ❤❤

[@JohnFRobinson]

I need a 6/7” “CG” frame for 100mph cruising! How can we develop something like that together?

[@headsupfpv]

Coming soon :) email me at [e-mail] and you can help us test !

[@shotgun2063]

Snow on the ground in Tennessee!?!?! How are yall surviving? Lol

[@headsupfpv]

That’s what I’m saying hahahaha

[@LenZFPV]

Not until FederovCommander and Livyu make one.

[@Carboneye7]

Is a light switch v2 frame strong enough to run without a top plate and just a canopy?

[@headsupfpv]

I’d say 100% ! Top plate will definitely be more stiff, but the body is inherently pretty strong

[@raminatorrammer]

Take my money!!! 😄

[@birdetta]

The frame looks like the Fox Crooked

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely different in a lot of ways but the arms are vertical on both!

[@jf5336]

AIOs, if robust and reliable, very much could be the way to go. Good video, thanks.

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks for watching !

[@dinosabic5383]

Aio's also help to make space for us who like putting HD in things that have no business being HD. 😂

[@headsupfpv]

LOL that is for sure

[@krazed0451]

You're a monster! 😆

[@ItsRenderInnit]

Been running reaper AIO’s on all of my rigs with 0 problems

[@headsupfpv]

Wow, what type of rigs? I feel like I’m late to the party!

[@ItsRenderInnit]

@ 3.5” up to 5”! 3.5” cinewhoop on 2203.5’s also. Haven’t ran a 7” at all so I wouldn’t know about that one lol. They’ve been good to me but I don’t thrash as often as a racer would, only freestyle and cinematic style.

[@TONY...GTB6]

I have two Speedybee 35 drones with SpeedyBee AIO - F4 FC + 40A 3-6S 4-in-1 Bluejay ESCs. Same tune, motors, esc calibration and battery. One has a lot more power than the other. what would cause that?

[@headsupfpv]

Hmmmm, are you using vbat sag comp?does it seem to dip to one corner or the other on throttle punches ? Any more info you can give the better!

[@TONY...GTB6]

@headsupfpv I tested each motor individually on both quads. 3 of the four on the quad in question sound like they're grinding the one that doesn't grind sounds silky smoothly

[@dondupuis4007]

So if you blow theECS, you have to replace it all, might be a down fall if prices don't drop on the AIOs.. Just saying. Awesome video, just subscribed.

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely a downside, hopefully they get cheaper! Thanks for the sub!

[@ch3m1c]

3.5" and 3" builds should be with AIO-s now, time to move forward imho :) from the 20x20 mini stacks SpeedyBee F405 AIO 40A looks super interesting in this front.

[@headsupfpv]

For sure! Do you have a link to the speed bee stack ?

[@michaelsouders4026]

Didn’t I ask you this very question about 2 years ago?

[@headsupfpv]

I think so! I just don’t think AIO’s are to the point until now, but it’s exciting

[@CCC0122]

Cant see the quad on the big screen

[@headsupfpv]

Was too hard to follow hahaha

[@CCC0122]

@headsupfpv I liked your video where you mention some of the other reviewers and believe it or not, that was exactly what I was going to talk to you about; except getting actual video responses from the other guys

[@CCC0122]

Do you send your quads to any of the reviewers?? Nice job with the channel either way!

[@remyKhuong]

Mark my word !!! One day, all conpound will just in 1 small peace pcd as small as rx…!

[@headsupfpv]

I want to call you crazy, but you’re probably right hahah

[@kevinjulievan]

Put it in a more traditional race frame and do some crashing during race practice and see how it does

[@headsupfpv]

🫡 that’s the plan!

[@smika710]

Looked like you were only going 80mph ;)

[@headsupfpv]

If any authorities were asking it was 99 exactly 🤣

[@milospanek8167]

Why Mobula 8 regulator burns so easy?

[@headsupfpv]

I’m not sure! What regulator ?

[@SettekFpv]

I killed mine with mixed up motors,, 2 3200KV and 2 2300KV becouse the xing marking looks sooo simular ^^ had made a 85% cut on 6s and that thing hold over 20 packs hard freestyle in middle of the sommer. Mine was the airbot one but i think they are very simular

[@mikebergman1817]

Holy shit dude😂🤣

[@rainsquadfpv]

I just came here for the weeeeeeeeee

[@headsupfpv]

Same 😂

[@tehllama42]

I'm sure I could kill one, but I wouldn't be sad after it performs like that. Honestly, I've watched these ones handle concrete smashes, bent motors, and poor tunes and keep on chugging - those are the real test. Coming back on 10-11 propeller blades with delaminated carbon and a 'spicy' tune where at least one lowpass filter too many was disabled - that is the true test.

[@headsupfpv]

I’ll give it a try!

[@MrStevegibb]

I hate to say it but I just don't see the weight advantage over a 20x20 stack and then you factor in the obvious problems you get with a sensitive gyro on the same board as all that electrical current and noise. I found my beast f7 aio to fly worse than dual stack setups when the motors are too powerful.

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely a real concern!