Are AIO's The FUTURE of FPV? | Aikon Torture Test

[@josephrsalexander4589]

Failure is on prop strike (crash). This is when you get a voltage spike - the motor becomes a generator.

[@headsupfpv]

You’re right ! I’ll have to try this next

[@Venrad]

Perhaps try adding a tvs diode/spike absorber

[@farmlifefpv8735]

​@Venrad They only do so much

[@jiatan_fpv]

It's a long tale. They've done tests with an oscilloscope - no spikes on crash. It makes no theoretical sense either, since the highest voltage (also known as back EMF) is at highest RPM. During a strike the voltage just drops, that's it.

[@farmlifefpv8735]

@jiatan_fpv The thing is during that prip strike the amps will skyrocket and the ESC will try as hard as it can to push the motor back to where it was, amps be damned unless the rampup power is turned down. And iirc the voltage spikes are mainly when you're at high power and let off?

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

This is great watching Evan Turner grow from kid to adult and facial hair. KEEP SENDING IT EVAN

[@headsupfpv]

Hahha will do !

[@DiaboloIIICzarodziej]

Accidentally i found your content today... watched a few clips 👏👏👏

[@headsupfpv]

I’m glad !! Hope you’ve enjoyed

[@PrOpJuNkiE]

I cant get over how long that lipo is making it running wide open like that!! That's a testament to a whole lot of parts there!!🤔

[@headsupfpv]

We try and use nothing but the best always :)

[@rainsquadfpv]

Ya I thought it would turn into a giant fire ball at mock Jesus

[@Fly_High_FPV]

Really? Any quad should be able to full throttle a whole pack, that's my preferred method of killing lipos, do it all the time in a quad that weighs 30% more.

[@dutchfpv7010]

Oh man, I could have helped you with this. AIOs have been the present for me for years and I've tested a bunch of them. I've run AIOs on my ultralights and even street league drones for years to great success. Since your stack is less cluttered and the board is bigger you actually get great heat dissipation. More often than you think you kill ESCs by hitting something while they're hot (and the solder is hot) and they shift, shorting or damaging components. I have AIOs that are 2 & 3 years old and fly great. They're def where the hobby should be going. Great video!

[@headsupfpv]

Super interesting ! Definitely tell me your favorites !

[@jana171]

Been thinking of a similar build for a while wondering this exact question, that I think you just answered... Great video !! AIO's could def be a great opportunity to make builds lighter, smaller and even more simple, without sacrificing performance and durability.

[@headsupfpv]

Totally agree!!

[@marvfpv1590]

Ive been thinking about vertical battery mounting... Now seeing it in a box frame it makes a lot of sense, super creative! Honestly my favourite part of the video, would love to give that a try!

[@headsupfpv]

We may do a small batch for people, it’s super unique !

[@marvfpv1590]

@headsupfpv do lmk, I thought I was done with box frames but this looks like a great use of the concept^^ fun timing too as I'm just about getting out of a 2year racing hiatus

[@quadbrake]

Wow amazing build! I like the idea of AIO's. That's a tough one!

[@headsupfpv]

Thank ya!

[@KimboFPV]

I use AIO's in my 3 Racing Drones (Sub-250, 4.5 Inch Props, 4s 650 Mah batts).......all 3 AIO's can been amazing and no hiccups, no problems + LOTS of crashing ! lol.......unfortunately my 2024 Summer GQ time was around 58 seconds for 3 laps, so I'm not pushing as hard/fast as some of the better pilots....Great work innovating, Keep it up!

[@headsupfpv]

Nice! What’s your go to aio!? Hope to see you at a GQ/ a race sometime this year !

[@mrmoon_fpv]

awesome video. I built a 5 inch Grinderino with a skystars AIO and i'ts been working well. I haven't flown it that much but i'll definitely put it through more tests like you just did and report back. Let's see if it holds up. When I first built it I did have issues but updating to BF 4.5 and Bluejay to the latest version fixed the issues.

[@hughjanus5518]

I remember when they started coming out over 5 years ago and the main reason the majority said no is you have to replace it all if you ruin just one part, many didnt like 4 in 1 ESCs for this very reason, gotta replace all when you just burn out one.

[@headsupfpv]

This is definitely a downside? But i am curious with the seperate fc kinda taped on there if you could in theory replace it! I’m super curious

[@Robocopter_fpv]

The goal I guess is to not bust them haha. There are benefits like it being lighter, less noise. U can fit it in a slammed frame. I like the idea of it just don’t know how it handles crashing cuz that’s what I do a lot 😂

[@A.D.K.FPV123]

DUDE... That thing is SCREAMIN' The frame reminds me of a very old school box frame that Catalyst Machineworks designed, but I don’t think they ever released it. AIO's would be cool to see into the mainstream as the price comes down.

[@headsupfpv]

100% agree man. Would be so cool

[@DanielJohnFPV]

That is crazy impressive! Gonna have to look at one of those!

[@headsupfpv]

I was blown away!

[@PropsOff]

Super fun and entertaining torture test, of the year, lol.. I thought it was going to desync 4shO...🤯 Thanks for the video Evan...👍🏻🍻👊🏻

[@headsupfpv]

I did too! Haha. Thanks for watching props off

[@Deathwish_fpv]

That was cool dude...cant believe that held up

[@headsupfpv]

Me either !

[@JusticeFPV]

Absolutely loving the consistent content! For some real ESC torture, try this: zero out all your PIDs, strap the quad to something really heavy, and set a switch to cycle through 0-100, 25-75, and 50-100 throttle ranges. In flight, you're never maxing out all the channels at once like this!

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks! I will have to try this hahaha it sounds terrifying and I love it

[@MewoFPV]

Finally!!! Been burning money trying out AIOs for so many years but they always sucked haha hopefully they start getting them right cuz it would be nice to not have to design around a tall stack

[@BeanbasticFPV]

Bro those flight tests gave me a heart attack 😂

[@headsupfpv]

LOL, we were so close to doing this at the shop but decided we would hold off 😂

[@FPV_TOMMY]

That thing could powerloop a cloud 🔥🔥🔥

[@headsupfpv]

😂😂

[@EMDRONES]

You are the new EnvyAstro 😂❤ jk but this looks good

[@headsupfpv]

I thought this too hahaha

[@AkshayKumar-qc4rz]

The CG Is such a good name!

[@headsupfpv]

I agree!

[@FlyDreamEcuador]

The new QUADMOVR haha

[@ChainsawFPV]

That battery took that like a friggen champ! How you liking those stick ends? Mine will be here Saturday, can't wait to try them.

[@headsupfpv]

The battery absolutely rocked it. Loving my stickends dude can’t wait for everyone to get theirs!

[@ZKingFPV]

Sooo whens the quad coming out? That thing is sick

[@headsupfpv]

If the interest is there, maybe we’ll make it a reality!

[@Jaceace87]

Lately insane this video is a banger

[@frshagen]

My pockets prefer them seperately

[@headsupfpv]

Same here! But you’ll see in the video the fc and esc portions actually are seperate, maybe we can figure out how to just replace one or the other ? This would be crazy if so.

[@anthonyknight1988]

Fun watch. That’s wild it help up not going to lie. 😅super cool!

[@headsupfpv]

I was blown away man. Stoked for what it can mean for the future !

[@rajwakale9663]

That's insane bro.

[@SbangFPV]

3:57 im even okay with 30x30 Aio. Should be able to pump out more amps. That’ll be sick. But then you’ll have to replace the whole thing if any single component breaks.

[@headsupfpv]

This part definitely isn’t great I agree. Hopefully they just get more reliable in the future !

[@chrisbee5481]

Aikon makes solid electronics. From my experience the aio's can handle even 2207 up to 110A on 6S. Just dont crash or turtle. The esc on mine didnt handle it. Might be different on this premium expensive one. Having fc and esc seperate makes maintenance easy and cheaper. Oh and electrial noise is worse in aios

[@amen_ra6926]

With some work, maybe they can resolve that issue.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

That's really good data!!! Mine is similar. I find 2106.5 and 550 grams about the limit. Definitely don't turtle!!! And measure the resistances on the MOSFETs and swap them when they get above a 10-20% imbalance or you will lose a controller, in addition to a MOSFET. I did a 6" bi-blade freestyle basher on 2306s for a bit but you have to swap all the MOSFETs every 40- 80 packs and as you mentioned flight performance isn't quite as good because of the extra noise due to AIO component compactness.

[@ElectricGang-eformss]

Wow that’s crazy the speed on that thing is monster that board is the future 💯

[@headsupfpv]

10000 percent agree!

[@محمدعترانآلالحارث-و9م]

It's a nice video I'm training on DRL racing simulator is it a good choice?

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely. Hope to see you improve !

[@dutchfpv7010]

Yes! Its great for muscle memory.

[@SkelaKing]

Only thing I don’t like about AIOs is that busting a component means replacing the whole thing. Other than that I’m all for it

[@andrewcouchkayhickey4342]

Instead of having a AIO with FC and ESC and then seperate receiver and VTX I think its better to split it the other way: have AIO with FC, ELRS receiver and HD Zero VTX on one board and seperate 4 in 1 ESC. That way killing an ESC doesnt take out your FC and it would be just as compact in a build. I suggested this to HD Zero after they released their AIO whoop board and they acknowledged the idea. So heres hoping.

[@headsupfpv]

That would be the ultimate build, great idea !

[@Jaceace87]

Can you teach me how to make one of these pretty pleased with sugar on top?

[@headsupfpv]

Sure ! Maybe can do a build video. Haha

[@philipjenkinsDjiflyer]

Man it looked good man I'd say yes and let see what happens

[@headsupfpv]

That’s the plan!

[@xyic0re714]

Hi Evan, appreciate your videos. You seem to know a lot about this stuff, perhaps you can help me with this question - Its about amps. I'm using rcinpower 1002 19000kv motors GTS 3. I'm using 1s. The datasheet for these motors with 2015 bi-blade props suggest that they pull more than 5amp. I've seen other prebuilt quads like the sub250 nanofly 20 1s uses 1002 21000kv motors, with a 5amp aio. I am using a 12amp aio with the rcinpower motors because of the datasheet. I would love to use a 5amp aio - since I could just use the same as what my whoop uses... I'm too scared to try it out.

[@headsupfpv]

Quite honestly, you should be fine. Most esc’s amp rating refers to what they can hold constantly and not burst. Depends how you’re flying of course, but I have seen 5 amp whoop fc’s do some impressive stuff so I think you’re good!

[@xyic0re714]

@@headsupfpv Thanks Evan, I guess I will just have to sacrifice one and see how it goes. The happymodel 12a are a lot more pricey than the whoop boards, especially the new betafpv 5in1

[@lemonsquareFPV]

​@@xyic0re714 I have never broken a HM or BetaFPV 12A board... 5A boards I have to CONSTANTLY change MOSFETs on. Unless you are going ultra light 65 or 75mm it's best to use a 12A board.

[@xyic0re714]

@@lemonsquareFPV Thanks for the feedback. I thought this might be the case. I don't suppose you know the name of the camera connector on the happymodel X12 aio? None of my cameras have connectors, and this connector is a pain to remove from the board. I would prefer just to buy some premade connectors and resolder the camera end.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@xyic0re714 There is pads on the top of the board, don't need the connector. Video, 5V, and ground. Look up the board pinout. Also the X12 has another set of emergency hidden pads under the connector, if it breaks off. But just use the ones on the edge of the board it's easier. The connector is the 1.25mm I think, standard camera connector, but don't quote me on the number, I gotta check. I just know it's the standard camera size. But I never use them and have a dozen spare harnesses.

[@jf5336]

AIOs, if robust and reliable, very much could be the way to go. Good video, thanks.

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks for watching !

[@Enginair]

I was on a center CG kick for a while. It was nice

[@headsupfpv]

You were the first one I remember back at freedom spec champs wayyyyyy back. Have loved watching all your crazy paramotor content man!

[@Enginair]

@@headsupfpv Thanks dude. Starting to think about drones again. I figure going full time van life will make for some fun freestyle opportunities. I cant be paramotoring all the time

[@SteveMcCormack_]

Would love to use my new speedybee AIO but it's surprisingly difficult to find frames over 4" that accept 25.5mm FC mounting

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely not many available right now. Hopefully it changes if the tech proves it’s reliable!

[@Badger_FPV]

Turtle mode blew my new speedybee aio and the mamba aio has started desyncing after a 5 crashes so im back to 20x20 stacks, the layout for the FETs on the esc just seems better for my flying.

[@headsupfpv]

Interesting ! Will have to see how it holds up

[@xtr0d3m0n]

Crazy. I still remember multiwii 😂

[@headsupfpv]

That’s awhile back hahahah

[@Black-ice_fpv]

Thats a great AIO, but Im stuck with HAKRC F7220 AIO , Ive never blown one, its a beast in the 533 switchback HD, so the vista can fit on the top plate.

[@headsupfpv]

Interesting ! Do you run it on 6s? That sounds like the perfect build for HD

[@TONY...GTB6]

Thanks!

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks for this!

[@TONY...GTB6]

@@headsupfpv I know it's not much but if everyone would contribute a little bit we'd all be better for it

[@amen_ra6926]

If after testing a good quantity and if it's discovered that they hold up, this could really change the sub 250 game. Generally we know that it's Turtle Mode that kills ESCs for us the fly freestyle. Hopefully, that can be addresed.

[@headsupfpv]

I’m worried about turtle mode for sure, we will test this moving forward !

[@DreadPoolFPV]

Jesus wept ... that thing is fast!!!!

[@DriftaholiC]

I've been thinking about the same kind of frame though geared more towards free style and having a battery in the middle kinda like the dji potato

[@headsupfpv]

Sounds super interesting!

[@DriftaholiC]

@headsupfpv the thought is how much can you optimize a frame when the components are preselected.

[@verdi6092]

I was looking at a a dot 4:00 then realise its a dirt on the lens 😂

[@headsupfpv]

LOL I really need to clean it

[@TONY...GTB6]

I have two Speedybee 35 drones with SpeedyBee AIO - F4 FC + 40A 3-6S 4-in-1 Bluejay ESCs. Same tune, motors, esc calibration and battery. One has a lot more power than the other. what would cause that?

[@headsupfpv]

Hmmmm, are you using vbat sag comp?does it seem to dip to one corner or the other on throttle punches ? Any more info you can give the better!

[@TONY...GTB6]

@headsupfpv I tested each motor individually on both quads. 3 of the four on the quad in question sound like they're grinding the one that doesn't grind sounds silky smoothly

[@krazed0451]

You're a monster! 😆

[@ChrisCroft77]

I remeber when 4 in 1 ESC started coming out the same arugment about if one fails then you ahve to replace all 4 ESCs. Now there is similar arguement with AIOs for quads.

[@headsupfpv]

Exactly right, I’m excited to see how the technology improves, hopefully it only becomes more reliable! They have a great thing going

[@ChrisCroft77]

@@headsupfpv I have a AT32 AIO on my 3 inch race quad and that it gets bashed around wih no issues. But that is 4s on a 6s AIO

[@JohnFRobinson]

I need a 6/7” “CG” frame for 100mph cruising! How can we develop something like that together?

[@headsupfpv]

Coming soon :) email me at [e-mail] and you can help us test !

[@Carboneye7]

Is a light switch v2 frame strong enough to run without a top plate and just a canopy?

[@headsupfpv]

I’d say 100% ! Top plate will definitely be more stiff, but the body is inherently pretty strong

[@John-g5l8z]

What about the new AIO from speedybee? The purple one

[@headsupfpv]

Do you have a link? I’d love to try it

[@taylorowen7558]

I use this AIO and the HAKRC F7220 50AMP AIO in 4 Five33 builds for 6Months and nothing has blown.... I am interested in that crazy Frame as well...

[@headsupfpv]

Great to hear ! I think they are getting better and better dude. We may do a small batch of the vertical frame for those interested !

[@Noical]

Pt 2 crash test when??

[@headsupfpv]

oh it is going to happen hahaha

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

We all know the crash is going to happen but are you going to get it on film

[@hairyhider7478]

The cold weather probably helps

[@headsupfpv]

10000 percent does, excited to test in higher temps!

[@hairyhider7478]

@headsupfpv We got 2 inches of snow today.In far east, Tennessee

[@zlachannel8674]

please test the AIO from neutron RC that has 80A-160A (6s-8s)

[@zlachannel8674]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHjCqoCoi9Cga8Usi=UEEVezCfGnLJ61s7

[@headsupfpv]

I will give it a shot !

[@zlachannel8674]

@@headsupfpv thank you so much sirr,,,big love for the Five33 stores, ❤❤

[@clawson7064]

What tune do you have on this quad?

[@headsupfpv]

I believe this is just karate race !

[@dondupuis4007]

So if you blow theECS, you have to replace it all, might be a down fall if prices don't drop on the AIOs.. Just saying. Awesome video, just subscribed.

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely a downside, hopefully they get cheaper! Thanks for the sub!

[@ch3m1c]

3.5" and 3" builds should be with AIO-s now, time to move forward imho :) from the 20x20 mini stacks SpeedyBee F405 AIO 40A looks super interesting in this front.

[@headsupfpv]

For sure! Do you have a link to the speed bee stack ?

[@SettekFpv]

I killed mine with mixed up motors,, 2 3200KV and 2 2300KV becouse the xing marking looks sooo simular ^^ had made a 85% cut on 6s and that thing hold over 20 packs hard freestyle in middle of the sommer. Mine was the airbot one but i think they are very simular

[@SkermiebroTech]

Isnt that the 45amp version the 60a version has the usb on a corner not the edge

[@headsupfpv]

I believe it was the 60? I’ll double check

[@Booster388]

What about doing a freestyle build with it

[@headsupfpv]

Already on it !

[@ghostrot]

Would a heavyer quad be harder for aio ?

[@headsupfpv]

Potentially? It’s all about amp draw so really depends on what motor and prop you use on it i would say

[@jasonearle3549]

How fast do you think that thing went

[@headsupfpv]

Probably ~120

[@shotgun2063]

Snow on the ground in Tennessee!?!?! How are yall surviving? Lol

[@headsupfpv]

That’s what I’m saying hahahaha

[@FlyDreamEcuador]

Interesting how it first only shows battery low when cornering throgh the G forces acting...

[@headsupfpv]

Hmmm didn’t notice this, super interesting

[@kerrymillar4981]

Need some 65amp aio,s

[@headsupfpv]

For real!

[@Kai-P]

Which drone and battery would use and provide more than 200A?

[@smika710]

Looked like you were only going 80mph ;)

[@headsupfpv]

If any authorities were asking it was 99 exactly 🤣

[@tehllama42]

I'm sure I could kill one, but I wouldn't be sad after it performs like that. Honestly, I've watched these ones handle concrete smashes, bent motors, and poor tunes and keep on chugging - those are the real test. Coming back on 10-11 propeller blades with delaminated carbon and a 'spicy' tune where at least one lowpass filter too many was disabled - that is the true test.

[@headsupfpv]

I’ll give it a try!

[@ItsRenderInnit]

Been running reaper AIO’s on all of my rigs with 0 problems

[@headsupfpv]

Wow, what type of rigs? I feel like I’m late to the party!

[@ItsRenderInnit]

@ 3.5” up to 5”! 3.5” cinewhoop on 2203.5’s also. Haven’t ran a 7” at all so I wouldn’t know about that one lol. They’ve been good to me but I don’t thrash as often as a racer would, only freestyle and cinematic style.

[@BoostedKA]

Is that the 45a one

[@headsupfpv]

I believe this is the 60 a one

[@birdetta]

The frame looks like the Fox Crooked

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely different in a lot of ways but the arms are vertical on both!

[@kevinjulievan]

Put it in a more traditional race frame and do some crashing during race practice and see how it does

[@headsupfpv]

🫡 that’s the plan!

[@aarondodson1261]

How about that speedy bee

[@headsupfpv]

I need to try it!

[@mikebergman1817]

Holy shit dude😂🤣

[@rainsquadfpv]

I just came here for the weeeeeeeeee

[@headsupfpv]

Same 😂

[@josiahmos5880]

Unless you live on a farm or have insane skill, I don't get flying quads larger than 3 inch. I purchased a 3.5 inch drone and it's too powerful for me as a beginner. I can't find a park large enough to fly.

[@casardo11]

that octagon power loop was awesome kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWTIqIefoNp2qM0 that thing is a rocket ship lol

[@MrStevegibb]

I hate to say it but I just don't see the weight advantage over a 20x20 stack and then you factor in the obvious problems you get with a sensitive gyro on the same board as all that electrical current and noise. I found my beast f7 aio to fly worse than dual stack setups when the motors are too powerful.

[@headsupfpv]

Definitely a real concern!

[@CCC0122]

Cant see the quad on the big screen

[@headsupfpv]

Was too hard to follow hahaha

[@CCC0122]

@headsupfpv I liked your video where you mention some of the other reviewers and believe it or not, that was exactly what I was going to talk to you about; except getting actual video responses from the other guys

[@CCC0122]

Do you send your quads to any of the reviewers?? Nice job with the channel either way!

[@QuinWade-e1r]

it fast

[@enrico320i]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/inPdqn6gns2bjaMsi=9eADm55sxnWVTLtS The Real old school torture tests. He did it crazy. Mabey you know this guy, he raced too a few years ago?

[@headsupfpv]

I LOVE envy Astro hahaha

[@oculararcade]

Any recommendations for an AIO with plug x play motor connections? Don’t crucify me you soldering freaks 😅 I’m still learning.

[@headsupfpv]

I don’t have a recommendation off the top of my head ! I’ll keep an eye out for one though 🤞🏻

[@SirCrypt666]

722 have no future

[@headsupfpv]

I would imagine there will be updated versions in the future!

[@focalpointvideo]

I think AIO’s are here to stay for cinematic & maybe racing ! Bashers however, could get expensive. If the ESC goes the FC goes & vice versa. I have one from Axis & it’s solid, metal case. Nice

[@focalpointvideo]

Argas or something like that. Axis flying

[@headsupfpv]

I’m curious if the secondary board on the Aikon could be replaced and or purchased separately. If so, that would be so amazing. I’m excited for the future !

[@davidshaddix4284]

This "test" is pointless, the only thing you've tested is the battery. ANY appropriate ESC can handle full throttle.

[@headsupfpv]

From my experience, not all AIO’s have been able to handle this, so felt this was a very reasonable first test to see if it can handle an extreme.

[@Fly_High_FPV]

How is this even close to a durability test? Any quad should be able to handle full throttle, especially a super light one...how about you do a real durability test, put your AIO on an 850g quad and smack it into the concrete...how's that AIO holding up now? 30x30 is easier to maintain, more durable, cheaper, costs less to replace one board than 2, AIO has worse EMF, more noise, typically an 8bit esc instead of 32bit, and a much smaller thermal envelop. You're building hype for a new product, but there's no logic behind it.

[@headsupfpv]

I’ll definitely be doing more durability tests in the future ! From previous tests, not all AIO’s or ESC’s can handle this amount of full throttle or throttle blipping without desyncs or worse. So I felt this is the first step to move on to more in depth testing. 30x30 has been the standard for a long time, but I don’t see anything wrong with trying new things and documenting the process. Who knows, maybe one day they’ll be good enough to replace them and make everyone’s builds even simpler ! Regarding the hype of a product, I have zero affiliation with Aikon

[@Fly_High_FPV]

@headsupfpv they better be easier to install...you'll be replacing them alot more frequently

[@F-ItSeNdItFPV]

I like the frame 👍

[@headsupfpv]

Thanks!