Are Apple products still JUNK in 2023?

[@gabest4]

Once again Apple has successfully protected the users data.

[@KOSMOS1701A]

they protected it so well the user can't even get too it.

[@gblargg]

@@KOSMOS1701A This is good because when you send in your computer the employees won't be able to post your private videos with your own account.

[@mdjey2]

At least they have very good backup system.

[@jontait1095]

@@KOSMOS1701A apple probably have a copy of everyone's data that will be the next thing they will sell it back to you

[@gigiopincio5006]

M3 based macs will send 230v to the user to protect its reputation too

[@brianswille]

That's insane. If my mobo blew up my SSD by overvolting, people would be livid about that and it would tarnish the brands reputation. It boggles my mind how much of Apple's issues are excused.

[@capturedbyfabian]

I had that exact thing happen to me with an MSI X570 Unify. Fried my m.2 and data.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

I have NEVER heard of an SSD being fried on anything but an Apple system.

[@syndan9245]

Read the Fabian guy's response. The apple copium is extremely infectious

[@Sabundy]

because they have successfuly sold their brand as a lifestyle brand/fashion brand. Think of someone having a Loius Vuitton pures, or a Rolex watch. People do not buy Apple primarily for the product. More for the eco-system (which does a very good job of locking people into it), the image, and to show other people that they use Apple products. How do you know someone uses an iphone? Easy...they will tell you.

[@deraile]

You shorted your phone wrong. It's ok here buy another.

[@Alster763]

Look this is their incentive to sell you iCloud back up, "We know your machine is going to fail, so pay us for this additional service." 😂

[@Dfgbuiiyyyybb]

There’s also time machine which does not require a subscription.

[@Jan-xf8sk]

​@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb with Apple silicon (M1 and M2) bootable backups don't work anymore.

[@RandomUser2401]

@@Jan-xf8sk I know! and there is absolutel no way to backup your data, because Apple is super evil. And icloud costs like 50$, like per century or so, I heard.

[@RandomUser2401]

yeah icloud backup really costs a fortune - it costs a full dollar per month, one full dollar, can you imagine? The audacity they have to charge such an outlandish amount. and there are absolutely no other ways to backup a mac, like no, like I checked, like a 13yo Indian told me! it must be true, Apple are evil!

[@Thumper68]

Got to admit 99¢ isn’t bad for 50gb though 😂

[@Ottuln]

Last week I had a coworker that used to work for Apple and still loves them ask me why i thought Apple was dishonest and their products were trash. I named him 15 major issues with examples. His response was "I see I opened a can of worms. I don't know about any of the technical stuff but I'd like to hear why you think their labor practices are bad and their marketing is deceptive" Some people are just too deep in the cult. Apple won't have to change anything until the spell finally breaks for them.

[@ghost-user559]

I mean let’s be honest, there isn’t a SINGLE tech brand that doesn’t have more than 15 major scandals/issues? And they are a 47 year old company. Same with Ford or Chevy or Mercedes or Toyota. Like literally I cannot think of s single company of equal scope that has never had equal or worse issues. Seriously Henry ford got NZi medals of honor lol. I don’t really understand why people specifically rage against Apple but do not even touch the practices of every other corrupt technology corporation? They are *ALL* as bad or worse.

[@Ottuln]

@@ghost-user559 15 major current issues, not historic ones.

[@ghost-user559]

@@Ottuln Yeah I understand. But that’s still insignificant compared to the volume of other companies and comparable defects and issues. I mean Intels Arc is trash, Samsung makes terrible buggy smart TVs, Tesla makes trash cars. Google makes and destroys more products and services every single year than Apple has ever even produced lol. Not to even mention Microsoft’s garbage software. Honestly I think people just like feeling a part of a cult. Whether that’s Apple haters or Apple fans, you literally cannot name me a single tech company as big as Apple that doesn’t have the same number of scandals and defects.

[@12thninja]

@@ghost-user559 The problem is they are worse than other companies, pretend to be better and charge you a premium for it. Also, they have pioneered a lot of practices which make the consumers life worse.

[@ghost-user559]

@@12thninja You legitimately think Apple is worse than Google? Worse than Microsoft? Worse than Tesla? Lol. That’s simply incorrect although you are entitled to your opinion. They also pioneered home computers, and later a full color GUI at a time where they command line was all people had, they pioneered home Laser printers so that normal people could run a business. They pioneered the mouse at a time where all people had was a keyboard. And they pioneered home desktop publishing and the midi interface that led to modern DAWs and home music production, as well as the Thunderbolt protocol. Steve Jobs NeXtstep (the predecessor to MacOS) is responsible for the modern Internet a networking protocols after a series of NeXt cubes were used by Tim Berners Lee at CERN to design the Hyperlink protocol behind the WWW. Doom was developed on a NeXt computer. Louis is a computer repairman. Apple has completely redefined the modern world. You don’t even have to like them to acknowledge that. A capacitor blew on a computer. Get a grip.

[@泥棒猫-m8e]

This is horrendous. And people pay so much for these Apple products...

[@rossmanngroup]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4bEe2umedGrn5o They've been doing this for decades. I should do a part two on that video

[@RS-Amsterdam]

But what do "people" know ?

[@RandomUser2401]

@@rossmanngroup nice clickbait video. ignoring the billions of devices out there that work reliably and for more than a decade, failing much later than competing products. You only see the defective products and you have no clue about the percentage of failing devices and how it compares to other brands - simple facts. You are specialized in Apple products - you have no clue about the ways and failing frequency of other products. You have no clue how many other laptops send 12V to the CPU or SSD. Something that inevitably happens if the converter stage before dies in the unfortunate way with the PMOS stuck on. You have no clue in which stupid ways other products die. You lack an overview over this large and complex sector, but judge a single brand because it creates a ton of clicks.

[@RandomUser2401]

Right, like Mac and Macbooks start as high as 700$, iphones as high as 430$. Really really outreageous asking prices for products with absolutely no advantages. Everybody is stupid, excpet the people on this channel.

[@gamingwithdomi9401]

@@RandomUser2401 The core problem with apple ssds is they're built onto the motherboard, and if they die it's basically over for that computer. Any reasonable company would make their ssds modular so regular users could replace them easily if they ever fail. But not apple, it's the same reason why you can't upgrade the ram in macbooks either: more profit as always.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

No part of this video shames Apple users for having these types of devices. It's exactly what consumers who bought it and critics should do against a company. If you make hardware and software for a high price and claim to be on the top of computing world wide, you had better actually back it up with long term action, not just up-pricing everything to make it look like it's the best.

[@EasyMac308]

I'd pay Apple levels of money for a modern Thinkpad with the traditional seven-row keyboard and coreboot.

[@dingdong2103]

Funny that you mentioned back up since Apple actually makes backups super easy and users should use them.

[@Dracula.25]

@@dingdong2103 i will not buy any back up , Just don't kill my device . And you came here saying you should use their back up

[@dingdong2103]

@@Dracula.25 LOL if you don't do backups you're going to lose your data at some point regardless of what device you use. There is no such thing as fail-safe electronics.

[@Teluric2]

Can you see a rolex or audi with physical defect on day 1 like apple. They make a good job fooling people.

[@realmacmods]

Would have loved to see the values for the voltage divider on the feedback pin. Can just about guarantee one of them was out of spec and causing the converter to output it’s maximum voltage. Should be a rather simple preventative task to swap those resistors out before this ever happens. Not that anyone actually will….

[@realmacmods]

From the data sheet for that chip. Look familiar? “In case the FB pin of the adjustable output voltage version gets opened or an over voltage appears at the output, an internal clamp limits the output voltage to about 7.4 V.”

[@aussiegruber86]

Not that you should have to

[@realmacmods]

@@randomplantsandstuff its not a bad idea, but im honestly not sure if it would be fast enough to catch the transient peak. A nano second of 7-12V into the 2.5V volt NAND chip could be enough to blow it out. . As well this dc converter is designed to output 6A of current, you would need to factor that in. zener saturation current and whatnot.

[@lxhon]

@@realmacmods Would a TVS work?

[@realmacmods]

@@lxhon I did some experiments a few months ago on this and that dc regulator/converter goes absolutely nuts if anything unexpected is in the feedback loop, and its failure mode is to blast out maximum voltage when unsure what to do. Parallel clamping with a zener or similar is probably the only halfway reasonable way to go, but i have serious doubts it would ever be fast enough to catch the first high voltage peak. Replacing resistors with the same value, but higher wattage and precision tolerance would probably be enough, but it's a high risk mod for a problem that may never actually present itself in normal use.

[@libertarian1637]

Imagine if your vehicle door wiring harness could wear out over time and fry your vehicles engine and electrical system killing your vehicle because you opened your door, like you have to do to operate the vehicle. There would be mass recalls and a class action lawsuit. The disconnect from what most people would think is OK or acceptable with say repairing your own vehicle and what phone and computer manufacturers do is amazing to me; the notion of non-owner replaceable batteries, at least to me, takes the cake as batteries is the one part guaranteed to eventually FAIL. Just think it GM said oh well your battery capacity is bad so we you can pay 32k for a new battery or buy a whole new car for 35k; GM would be out of business in short order.

[@grimninja2004]

It's funny because you just described every electric vehicle manufacturer. Yet gullible people are on waiting lists to buy them.

[@OtherDalfite]

You'd think that, but GMs 2.4 ecotecs have loose piston rings which lead to excess oil consumption, O2 sensor fouling, cat clogging, oil starvation (if unnoticed) which causes timing chain detonation. There has never been a recall for that.

[@Ottuln]

My iPhone 6 battery just bought it. It was given to me by my brother, and had been getting worse, but now it won't even run plugged in. If I could just replace the battery I 100% would. Too bad someone has an incentive to not let me do that...

[@ghost-user559]

@@Ottuln That’s a decade old phone friend? You can change the battery, just look up an I fix it tutorial and buy the tools. But at 9 years old whether that is worth it is your choice.

[@linuxguy1199]

@@OtherDalfite Also GM's new self-destroying pushrods feature (AFM). Not gonna lie, I drive a GM vehicle but it was made 20 years ago when stuff was built differently so I'm doing mud donuts on a truck with well over 100K miles + a blown out transmission while people are getting new GM trucks that have 15,000 miles and the engine destroys itself.

[@womagrid]

The psychology of the Apple customer base is fundamentally inconsistent: 1) Express your individuality by buying exactly the same device as everyone else 2) Pay a premium price for a disposable product that you never truly own. This leads me to suspect that the same inconsistency extends into other areas of life.

[@chainswordcs]

i think a lot of it is just them falling for pro-Apple BS in marketing and social culture, and not ever examining the issue on more than just a surface level

[@Cracky003]

Idk. Macs are definitely vastly more open than the "i" line of devices. I think the vast majority of their sales are in industries that have developed their software for the platform. As well as people who don't like windows and influencers, but I don't think the latter are the real base. I'm not sure why people like iPhones. I did when they were new, the screen tech was worth it coming from my HTC 8525, even if it was less open. By iphone 4 I was already on Android as it was clear phones were real computers and I didn't want to keep jail breaking to achieve it. These days android is easier to use and more consistent. So, now I really don't get it.

[@basserstaunt9003]

Saying this as an Apple user but I’m really just stating it not to defend apple but only to describe that such malpractice is consistent with capitalism (read: most companies would eventually do so if they could) in a society with a flawed development paradigm. So, as the natural environment gets eaten up the stakeholders start eating up each other including the customers. Especially if there is a pressure to hit specific financial goals/Rentier capitalism. That’s why, to me, it’s not just that we Apple customers are to blame but that this entire malpractice can only change if, both,the entire development paradigm changes to become more human centred and the company restructures. one may call it socialism but I only argue for a better interaction between the different social systems (ie economy, law, politics with each‘s respective binary logic of having/not having, legal/illegal, power/opposition etc.) in order to dissuade from any excessive resource use including planned obsolescence.

[@womagrid]

@@basserstaunt9003 Absolutely. This is not exclusive to Apple but they have certainly provided an example for others to follow. It is ultimately a manifestation of cognitive dissonance or perhaps a failure of metacognition.

[@gorkyd7912]

You don't really have a clue what you're talking about. Before you try to characterize and denigrate a whole group of people maybe try to at least understand some of the basic value trade-offs.

[@alexandersimpson3638]

It's a relatively simple thing to mitigate any possible over volting to the SSD a simple resettable fuse set to say 2.1v.. So why has this not been done? Parts will fail regardless, good design however takes this into account and protects itself.. The SSD surely is the one component you cannot afford to be trashed , it's the customers data..!

[@AbulaSyllabus]

They already add the bare minimum to the design to save a few bucks in the production line, let alone backup systems... military grade products do that, but who can buy them or has access to them? Not us, normal humans.

[@zizlog_sound]

@@AbulaSyllabusIf Apple adds bare minimum to the design we definitely shouldn’t be paying premium. And there are plenty of other reasons not to buy Apple at all anymore.

[@pharoah327]

In my opinion, software isn't any better. Big name companies such as Apple, Microsoft, and Google still produce garbage software. As a developer, I have to work closely with this trash and the best I can do is vow to actually give a crap when developing my own software

[@tomv3999]

Ditto.

[@syndan9245]

​@Jim Allen i prefer computers that don't kill themselves though lol, so i use Linux

[@tomv3999]

@@syndan9245 Those can still kill themselves. Hardware isn't software.

[@Mr371312]

@@syndan9245 using Linux as a daily, sadly it does. Endeavouros 2 fail to boot to desktop within months, grub and plasma broken respectively.

[@Poldovico]

@@Mr371312 at least with GRUB, we were warned ahead of time there would be a breaking change. Just had to check the news before updating.

[@CampfireCrucifix]

Louis. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Apple products have always sucked.

[@volvo09]

He'll be satisfied when he no longer has a job.

[@humorss]

I remembered when apple didn't suck, and I was actively buying apple, that was over 10 years ago.

[@Hardy_Productions]

@@humorss lol Apple has been crap since it returned. The only time apple was ever good was in the 80s and early 90s...

[@deraile]

I feel very lucky the only Apple thing I ever bought was an iPod 4g. And I always have to praise the build quality. The little thing is still going strong over 13 years later. I have better gadgets now for this purpose but I use it as my jogging music player. You can see the battery go down in real time when the screen is open at the dimmest level, but otherwise I get a good 20+ hours of playtime when I just play over bluetooth. Yeah that thing had bluetooth. And WiFi. Just found it in my old stuff a couple years ago and I felt guilty for not using it. I still hate the OS, the closed ecosystem, the need for iTunes, everything Apple really. But I can't deny that this lil' device was built like a tank. Dropped it so many times on concrete in the past, had a few very quick dips in water. It keeps trucking 🤷‍♂️ I bought a replacement battery because when I found it in my old stuff, the battery drained in a matter if seconds 😨 However after I forgot it on charge for like over a week, the battery was revived somehow. It could actually hold a charge. Now I'm worrying the spare battery will get bad (or at least worse than optimal) before my old one finally stops being practical 😅

[@newsoftheday420]

Turds wrapped in gold leaf

[@hezekiahwallace2412]

I'm starting to think that companies purposely designed products to fail and I'm not talking about the battery.

[@kirkyorg7654]

all companies are now following the Apple business model of build to fail and make sure it cannot be repaired easily or at all so they are forced to buy a new one Apple just proved to everyone else you can do this and dumbass consumers will keep coming back for more of your garbage products the consumers of the world have been hoodwinked badly by these companies we older folks are the only ones who refuse to keep buying this crap because we remember when stuff was built to last and was repair friendly

[@hezekiahwallace2412]

@@kirkyorg7654 Light bulb companies actually started this trend.

[@hezekiahwallace2412]

@@kirkyorg7654 It was called The Phoebus Cartel.

[@tonn333]

It's called planned obsolescence... They teach it in universities. Nothing new. And this is just one of the many injustices that we as a human race find an excuse to not improve.

[@RandomUser2401]

tell that to my perfectly working 12yr old Macbook and 8yr old iphone. Indeed both designed to purposely fail.

[@pgruszewski]

Seeing the sticker on the top cover of his laptop, I'm now 100% sure the lad's Polish 😄 Pozdrawiamy Krzyśka!

[@St34mPunkPrivateer]

Greetings from Chicagoland, any good polish food out there, trzymaj się!

[@DogeCharger]

Baza byku

[@wiskatesnow]

🍄

[@Dirschau]

Po akcencie się domyślałem, a potem naklejka rozwiała wątpliwości.

[@kero5643]

Nasi tu byli😂

[@DouglettDD]

its terrible because these are marketed for photo and video editing but having data loss like this is just unacceptable for people in that type of field imo

[@hezekiahwallace2412]

I want Louis back talking about buggy motherboards with actual bugs on them.

[@SupercovenGW2]

Proud to say I convinced the IT Head at our business to replace all of our Apple's to HP's... 5 years ago zero problems since. convinced him by FORCING him to watch Louis Rossmann videos. ty Louis and your techs

[@rpm10k.]

I work for an MSP, our clients with mainly HP computers have the most hardware issues in my experience to be honest. But everyone hates working on Macs more than anything else.

[@SupercovenGW2]

@@rpm10k. HP has been great to all of our locations. ACER was the worst. by far. followed by Apple. atleast ACER was dirt cheap tho hehe.

[@rpm10k.]

@@SupercovenGW2 I will straight up make a reason up to not work on an Acer lol. Absolutely disposable garbage. I've just seen lots of screen and temperature issues on the HP laptops I work with. Don't get me wrong, dell has issues too but ive had a much easier time getting warranty service out of dell than HP. You guys may have a better HP rep than I do

[@SupercovenGW2]

@@rpm10k. Who knows right? i loathed HP in the early 2000's - 2010 but we've had great success with them in recent years. I dont have any serious problems with Dell. Seem fine for the most part. Agreed on Acer - if i had a nickel for every time someone walked into the office with their Acer laptop saying "i heard a pop and i smell smoke" - i'd have enough to buy a fancy coffee

[@rpm10k.]

@@SupercovenGW2 biggest dell issue I see is drive failure and then on optiplex sff PCs from Intel gen 6-8 seem to occasionally have a display output fail out of nowhere. Both not really issues for us to be honest. I do everything I can to steer my clients from Acer. Had one group buy 5 as a trial and 2 or 3 had show stopping issues within 6 months

[@JacobSalinas2022]

Just dropped mine off to you today, Its a brand new 2019 macbook pro 16'' that I literally just opened. It was still factory sealed when I opened it, it was dead out of the box would not charge or turn on. I look forward to having you guys work your magic and bring it back to life !!!!!! Thanks again, see yall when its ready !!!!!!!!!

[@rossmanngroup]

Hopefully it didn't send 7v to the SSD

[@JacobSalinas2022]

@@rossmanngroup fingers crossed !!!!!!! Hope you can work your magic.

[@ukkev7290]

@@JacobSalinas2022 You should read the comment below yours. (When comments are sorted by Newest.) Exact same problem. But he sorted it.

[@AM89447]

Why send it to louis if it was brand new? I mean apple should give you a replacement under warranty...r-right?

[@Zhaymoor]

I followed this channel many years ago to learn more by seeing fixing videos; I hope Chris can go on with such videos or start his own channel. you provide really useful content but we are missing a lot on devices fixing. thank you

[@graikas]

Extended warranty won't do much if you lose pictures of your newborn baby, a family member that is not in this life anymore or any important file for your work etc...

[@gorkyd7912]

If you don't back it up you will lose it regardless. Thousands of devices are stolen every month, or destroyed by water, fire, accidents, etc. Backing up data is cheap and easy.

[@panjak323]

It's just few correlated bits, get over it

[@ohdearplays2579]

I recently "fixed" a 2019 rose gold macbook air. The person that owned it said it refuses to charge and turn on even when using the charger that came with it from new. I just used my 45w lenovo laptop charger & bam works

[@Gnohio]

i may not know enough polish to be conversational or fluent, but i do know enough for that sticker at 19:35 to give me a good chuckle and think about getting one for myself.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I think every video about data recovery should include "Make sure your backups are working". That's valuable message if the recovery was successful and especially when recovery was not successful, like in this video.

[@lotusson]

Every time I visit our local Apple store, it's filled with people at the Genius bar getting their Apple product repaired. And I've been there often... to get our Apple products repaired. 😂

[@psaini1999]

I feel like this is not the best format of video to link to customers to tell them why their SSD died. A shorter, concise explanation form of video would be better than just a raw investigation video.

[@CharlesB147]

Is this the Chris that you say works his butt off? The Polish gentleman? If so, he does an absolutely fantastic job. You have yourself an absolute monster there. Never lose him, Louis. Give him what he's worth, and then some.

[@piotrgraniszewski8544]

As a fellow Pole, I recognize the accent!

[@michaelhonormusic]

I got my first PC in 1995 and my first Mac 2006. It´s been a couple of years since I stopped buy anything from Apple but over the years I can tell that all my PC:s have held better over the years than my mac computers.

[@germanomassullo9608]

Can you please enable subtitles?

[@BirdSpotter43]

I'm an Android user, went to an office that used exclusive apple products and the wireless mouse frustrated me to no end.

[@luandesonfelix4834]

Is there any way to prevent this from happening on any of the 2019 macbook pro?

[@rossmanngroup]

By buying something else until Apple issues an extended warranty program for anybody who bought this device and had this happen to them, fixing it for free and taking accountability and responsibility for their failure.

[@brianswille]

@@rossmanngroup Sooooo... probably nothing?!

[@That_One_Guy...]

@@BryceByerley yeah let's complain about stupidest thing ever and let Apple do even better job to torture us the customer.

[@chrisculhane3777]

Yes don' t buy an apple product

[@ghost-user559]

@@rossmanngroup Louis can you tell us which tech company is perfect in your opinion and suffers from zero failures and has a lifetime warranty? Because we are the customers, not lobbyists or shareholders. We only have so much money and very little time to look at every single product in existence Besides being “helpful” and suggesting that we somehow force corrupt legislators and trillion dollar corporations to change their lives with our psychic consumer powers, could you make a series of videos about what we should actually buy based on your experience?

[@AirisuSG]

I am so sad that once I saw Louis's video about Macbook 16, I didn't get rid of my Macbook (the same one) right away. Mine turned into garbage just like you see in this video.

[@tamegaming1768]

I don't get how despite Apple's repeated track record for specific problems, there's still people who deny them and say Apple's just with their decisions and faults. I'm an iPhone user myself, I buy used/refurbished and while I love the phones I do so in spite of the problems they have as a company and with design, waste etc. It's ok to like something flawed

[@chrisculhane3777]

Yea like a women stays with a man that beats her ass every other day. But he loves me. Good luck with that

[@ghost-user559]

Because literally every tech company has the exact same type of issues. Whether it’s GPU flaws or Screen issues or general corruption. I just think people focus on Apple because they have a certain image. Maybe even a degree of jealousy because people associate them with “rich people” who they dislike. It’s more like people dislike people who buy Apple because of branding more than they actually acknowledge issues with a given product. Microsoft is as bad or worse. Google is as bad or worse. Samsung is as bad or worse. Apple just virtue signals more so people make it seem like it’s some exclusive Apple corruption.

[@liesandy291]

They're fuckin trendsetter whatever bad choice they do will be followed by other company,

[@ghost-user559]

@@liesandy291 Not always a bad thing. Honestly everything from Lazer printers to mouses to color GUI are all trends Apple made mainstream. It’s not always bad, and it’s not always good. But they have added a lot to the space in 50 years.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@ghost-user559 I think there's more psychology behind this. Apple products are marketed and seen as premium overall, so when such a device fails, the disappointment can be quite huge. This is why the Apple Store employees have to use VERY specific wording when treating or describing problems. Apple is effectively trying to create LaLa-land for their customers to brainwash them into thinking, that their products are infallible. Meanwhile, when your $600 PC laptop breaks, you just start cursing at it, because it's cheap trash and you kind of expected it to fail. This mindset basically swaps over to the whole debate and especially in the fanboy culture, where certain people will defend their fav company's decisions no matter what.

[@HeyHammadAusafi]

My brother had his MacBook for like three years and he doesn’t takes care of it. I take care of my stuff but still somehow, my screen had to be replaced. I’m starting to think some people are just lucky when it comes to expensive hardware.

[@swy334]

Thank you for always providing a technical and unbiased expert opinion!

[@RandomUser2401]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 unbiased, this guy has some humor

[@2K-Tan]

​@@RandomUser2401​​You're pathetic. Blindly suck Steve Cook's cock harder fanboy. I'm sure a trillion dollar company really cares about a peon like you sticking up for them 😂 I see you in every comment shilling Apple like your feelbads are hurt and you gotta justify Apple's terrible designs and awful reliability simply because "I've never had any problems" Your single good experience doesn't invalidate millions of other people's awful experience. Huff more copium fanboy.

[@RealJoseph123]

Here is my two cents: The problem with this is that most people who buy Apple products don’t know what is a motherboard and other components in their Mac systems. Not defending them at all, I’m saying that most users aren’t tech savvy - so talking to them is akin to talking to a brick wall. And their attention spans are very limited thanks to apps like TikTok.

[@nathanc2222]

This is a gross generalization

[@ianakotey]

@@nathanc2222 Given that tech knowledge is not the norm, I disagree

[@RealJoseph123]

@@nathanc2222 There is statistical data to back this up. Most Apple users in the US and in North America are younger teens and older adults. I know this is true due to them asking me for tech support.

[@rosaria8384]

​@@nathanc2222 not even gross, it's factual

[@lskywalker5]

This isn't specific to macs. Most people don't know how their vacuum cleaner, phone, computer, tv, modem, and almost everything else they use daily. Nobody wants to listen to the guy they pay to fix their work computer tell them why it's impossible to fix it. Weird narrative to push.

[@BladeOfLight16]

I learned that I really should back up my data because manufacturers are getting careless. I refuse to pay for a service, though. I'd rather set up a backup system at home.

[@microwaveoven2]

Free overclocked SSD? Thanks Apple!

[@dougster2k]

Really eye opening. Is this unique to the 16s or does it also plague the 14s?

[@0eieiei]

The 2012 A1278 Macbook Pro I inherited has failed to fail, so far. No issues except the security updates have run their course. Thing has been reliable like a Camry.

[@Sam-dc8du]

Apple products peaked around the time of the Mac Pro 5,1. Drives, memory and batteries could still be replaced by the user and the needs for their professional users were actually met. Around the time of the 2015 MacBook Pro onwards, Apple’s engineers have seemingly shifted focus towards solely meeting the whims of company’s accountants. Cut to today, the present company is a caricature of their former selves, having exploited their customer base at every conceivable angle to serve their bottom line. And their supposed environmental responsibility? They can drop any pretence of that.

[@mikoldeon]

18:36 - Ah, the one and only LEGEND, "Do not, kurwa, touch" MacBook! :)

[@ldalipis]

Chris's technique is so great!

[@voltare2amstereo]

1- backup your data, free (use your own drive) or pay (iCloud/one drive -included with office 365 - or Google drive) 2- chase apple through consumer protections if in Australia

[@serkandevel7828]

Why pay Apple's icloud service when they're the ones cuasing the design malfunction?

[@Mookieswrld]

ive had 5 macbooks 4/5 had some type of issue.......

[@adi1133]

@louis do the recent M1 and M2 devices have such design issues?

[@AshnSilvercorp]

I don't even think he has access to tools to troubleshoot those yet. Much less that even more parts for them are going to be even harder to find.

[@hermannschaefer4777]

Windows-user: Shouldn't happen that often, I'll buy from a different brand next time. Apple-user: This is not a problem, you got Time Machine. No backup, no mercy. Linux-user: *facepalm*

[@gandalfwiz20007]

Windows users: Normal people Apple users: dumb people Linux users: Hackers

[@TravisStamper]

Great video. I miss the ad that used to come on....I think we need the Rossmann store ad back, not updated just the original add....Thanks Chris and Louis

[@soiboughtabus9563]

Back up only the files you want to keep, don't worry about the rest.

[@AbdAbdAbdAbd]

apple makes alright software but borderline embarrassing hardware

[@DigiDriftZone]

Can you honestly say that about Apple Silicon Macbooks though?

[@redpillsatori3020]

@@DigiDriftZone ..yeah, Apple Silicon is amazing, but I find a lot of their software annoying. Not sure how the OP of this comment thread can say that. Finder is terrible at finding anything, and Apple always tries to push their proprietary file formats on you.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@redpillsatori3020 I agree, with that said File Explorer on Windows can't even show you the size of folders without right click each one, that one kills me, but Finder on Mac has terrible file copy/move progress. There are much better third party options though. Just out of interest what proprietary file formats are Apple pushing?

[@GareWorks]

My 2015 15" MBP has a second swollen battery so I'm just looking to replace it at this point. Problem is I vastly prefer macOS over Windows, and there are things about Macs which _are_ good (the trackpad and screen, for example), and the best alternative I can get is one of Microsoft's Surface line-up... which aren't tremendously better and have the same limited amount of ports on them. It's a tough one, Louis: Microsoft has arguably the worst operating system on the planet (I genuinely hate Windows despite using it my whole life), but their hardware is more reliable. Apple has an OS I quite like and some good hardware with fatal flaws just about every single year without fail. Trying to get a good all-round computer these days (both software and hardware) is nigh impossible.

[@RandomUser2401]

my 2010 mbp still works fine - what's the point here?

[@0eieiei]

Linux it is, then

[@sl9sl9]

The MS Surface isn't the best competitor, the HP Elite X2 is. Even the g3 model back in 2018 had multiple 40Gbit Thunderbolt 3 ports and USB-C PD charging which neither Surface nor others had at the time. This model can now be had for as little as $220 on eBay, although the top spec i7 CPU with 16GB of RAM and 4G LTE is about $100 more. I can confirm the trackpad is a good one, it even comes with a nice Bluetooth stylus and the 4K touchscreen is brilliant. It scores higher than most on the repairability index, you can easily unscrew the back and access the batteries/SSD/PCIe slot for upgrading. HP's entry level offerings are absolute garbage but their high end machines really are exceptional.

[@keiz_]

Honestly all laptop companies have issues. I work as a Sysadmin, and we've had so many issues even on high end Dell laptops, XPSs, Latitudes, etc. I owned a high end HP laptop, and it blue screen on me daily, and components randomly failed. HP refused to help me with it, and fought tooth and nail over it. Dell I've noticed is a not better than HP in this regard. Honestly Framework would probably be the best way to go in this regard imo.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@sl9sl9 so as a recommendation to escape a company that offers high failure rate hardware, you propose a company that sells high failure rate hardware? Nah, you can't make this stuff up.

[@banboosy]

have you seen this in the M1/2 MBPs as well? Or just the late intel ones?

[@scott4825]

The burning question to me is whether the products put out by the other big companies are any better. Apple defects are known in part because they are high volume. The new Windows laptops I sent my kids to college with didn't last 2 years. I'm not fanboying Apple because they are huge micro-managing aholes with no real concern for my privacy, but there's a lot of really low quality hardware out there by companies all fighting to have the highest specs at the lowest price.

[@markboyle9941]

Apologies if this has been asked before, but when did the rot really start with Apple? Personally I think they became a lot less reliable around the mid PPC era (2001 or so) and it just got worse from there. Ti-book problems were well known and the G5's were never great reliable machines. Most of my ancient m68k Mac's still work just fine to this day. I think style over function and the obsession with wafer thin laptops was definitely the beginning of the end.

[@gorkyd7912]

They became a smartphone that also makes computers. They make a lot more money off smartphones. The computers are still very good in my opinion, but they've traded repairability and therefore longevity to make most of their computers more like phones with non-replacable parts. As has the overall industry.

[@TJ-rf1xl]

I keep saying this, and it’s refreshing to see someone with far more technical knowledge than I do reiterate it. In the past I’ve rebuilt a 2011 A1278 from scratch using a spare logic board and random components, after the GPU failure that was endemic to that model. AT LEAST back then you could do something about it yourself! Now the smallest failure can occur and wipe out your entire machine. Totally unacceptable for such a ‘premium’ brand, and the reason why I’ll never buy Apple hardware again.

[@fuefme9332]

Apple also remotely bootloops and disables iphones on older ios to force them to update. The only fix is to update and restore through itunes. Software downgrades are also prevented.

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

It seems like MacBooks are a lot less reliable than iPhones. I've never had an iPhone break, but it seems like if you even sneeze on a MacBook it just gives up lol

[@DciMaluko]

Actually, iphones brake alot, there is a whole industry on my country just to fix them, and the failures are so known you sometimes doesn't even need to open the phone to know whats the matter... Like iphone 6 tristar, iphone 7 codec, short 2g chip, qualcomm baseband short, and so on and so forth. Many stores here only fix iphones, the volume is insane.

[@leonro]

iphones also suffer from bad designs, remember these? -iphone 4: "you're holding it wrong!" -iphone 5c: physically bends in the pocket -iphone 7: audio IC breaks from board bending

[@GlobalWave1]

It all depends I think… my MacBook Pro 2015 is still running strong and as fast as before. I put that thing threw a lot doing music production with fans going for hours. I recently gave it to my mother a few weeks ago. So I think it just depends…

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

@@leonro I used an iPhone 6 for like 8 years, dropped it about a dozen times lol. I think if you use a good case and the default Apple charger, you're going to be good 95% of the time.

[@GlobalWave1]

@JimAllen-Persona Nice! I never really thought going Linux or any such thing. I wasn’t that into modding or going into an open source OS. I just need a computer to run my music productions on the go without much problems. Never had much problems except high temps at times and high fan noise. Did have a custom fan curve and repasted the cpu. Also had some thermal pads help the heat. Did me wonders and loved and got much years out of the computer. Still runs excellent but upgraded to the m2max 16 inch and holy $hIt this thing runs my old sessions like a dream without a blink. I’ve listened to Rossmann for years. I agree with much of what he says but nothing has let me down like these laptops while I run logic X.

[@davidsault9698]

I suggest it isn't the VR chip itself but perhaps one of the "critical" capacitor chips feeding the input to the VR.

[@theconfusingwords]

It’s funny how my Windows 98 Toshiba Satellite laptop still works, but every computer I’ve bought since has been hot garbage after about a year.

[@gorkyd7912]

Results vary. My old boss gave me a 2011 Macbook Pro that he had laying around from someone else. Still works fine. 2013 Macbook Pro worked fine until the screen got smashed. 2012 Mac Pro works perfectly. But my 2015 Macbook Pro has some kind of missing voltage regulator to the battery, so it fries batteries, very odd.

[@theconfusingwords]

@@gorkyd7912 I feel like older Macs were made to stand the test of time (along with other older electronics) and today we have a bit more planned obsolescence without the ability/ difficulty to repair

[@gorkyd7912]

@@theconfusingwords Definitely true but I think it's a trend that goes beyond Apple. In the past, Apple spent a ton of money including and marketing different hardware techs like FireWire, Thunderbolt, etc. but I think they realized most of those innovations become outdated so fast that it isn't worth it so they're starting to treat devices more like disposables. The old Macs were easier to fix some components but you're still stuck with old USB, old Firewire, old Thunderbolt, etc. so it's almost like why bother.

[@ryanstrab1304]

Forgot one thing. Extremely over priced junk.

[@ghollidge]

My 10 year old HP Envy is a bit battered, had plenty of problems but it still runs on the same hard wear (minus a few cracked screens lol)

[@colt5189]

I don't see how people don't do at least one offline backup. Memory has gotten real cheap. People should be able to buy a hard drive or SSD and do at least one backup of their data. Two backups would be better.

[@johnFrom1984]

Stick to the P50, newer high(er)-end ThinkPads love to thermal-throttle... Still better than 7 Volts to the SSD, though. :D

[@Axel_Andersen]

Without in anyway defending Apple, I've had four or five Mac Book Pros over the last IDK 10-20 years and my three daughters about the same all combined. So that is 10-15 macs. None of them have failed as such. We have replaced batteries, yes, even this MacBook pro where the batteries are glued to the motherboard (the Apple replacement program does did this for $300). One failed display: One failed SDD, replaceable. One liquid damage (thank you LR for fixing that), one stuck hinge. Also own a couple i27 that are now 12 years old and still used daily with SSD upgrade. So while it is stupid that a failed PSU fries the SSD and that you cannot replace the SSD, my experience is not that bad compared to my wifes series of Dells and Acer or how my co-workers went through Fujitsus over the years.

[@Axel_Andersen]

@@Bluestreak589 I'm software developer and I have to work with Linux a lot, and it always seem to give me grief with updates and dependency hell, where as my macOS "just works" it seems that YMMV.

[@issen2291]

@@Axel_Andersen I am also a software developer and I have been working with Windows and Linux (mostly Debian and Ubuntu) PCs and laptops, as well as a few flavors of Macbook over the years. The longest lived and least problematic have consistently been the Apple devices. I have used Windows/Linux/Android as my personal devices always but after a lifetime of personally-witnessed anecdotes I started switching to Apple devices this year specifically for longevity. Time will tell, I suppose.

[@Axel_Andersen]

@@issen2291 That is my experience too. :)

[@DigiDriftZone]

I've been just as lucky as you with 20 or so MacBooks over 2 decades in our small business. All of the machines are still working, all of them. We had 1 of the 128GB SSDs fail in a 2013 Macbook Pro 13" and the older (10+ year old machines) have terrible battery life, but still work fine otherwise. I cannot say the same for other businesses in the building that had a series of Windows laptops that they seem to need to replace every other year and have frequent problem with.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@Bluestreak589 So your $25k of Apple hardware is working fine then? - great to hear!

[@grantrennie]

Great video 👍

[@ichbins7203]

Have you put the capacitors back?

[@peterbustin2683]

I dont know much about electronics, but cant an aftermarket fuse be put in to help prevent this ? ❤from UK.

[@gernhartreinholzen3992]

1:21 I would say, "It is not our fault, that you bought apple." "Learn from this mistake."

[@thewatchersofthewood3530]

My work purchased all my Apple hardware and if I had to use my own money I would NOT pay for new gear. I have the remainder of the special 4 year education no deductible AppleCare on my M1 Max 16" MBP and when its out of warranty I will probably get a Lenovo P1

[@nethook5588]

What about Macs with m1 and m2 chips? Same issue?

[@RealJoseph123]

They recently just came out and I haven’t heard any SSD issues with newer Macs other than the SSDs in the M2 Macs are slower in the base model computers for cutting cost. And that’s a big asterisk that should’ve been mentioned in this video. Kinda want to see if newer Macs with Apple Silicon has the same issue. Hope we get answers about this, I’m so curious.

[@DigiDriftZone]

The title of the video should really be, Are Apple Products Junk in 2019 :) - I don't see any machine there manufactured in the past 3 years? I mean it is embarrassing that issues like this which are well documented were ignored by Apple for many generations of products but personally, we've owned 20 or so MacBook Pros in my business, spanning 20 years and never had these issues, just a single 128GB SSD failure on a 2013 MacBook Pro 13". So I do wonder what percentage of products are actually impacted? is it 1%? or 0.001%? Louis can still be receiving multiple laptops per week with a 0.001% failure rate considering the sales volumes...

[@gorkyd7912]

Every Mac has issues, just not necessarily the exact same issues. They at least fixed the keyboards in the M1/M2s.

[@nethook5588]

@@gorkyd7912 What about PC they don’t have issues? Actually I have the 14 MacBook Pro and the Mac Studio no issues so far!

[@gorkyd7912]

@@nethook5588 What about PC issues? Put it this way, the main issue I have with a PC is that if I have to use Windows for more than a few minutes I will end up destroying the hardware myself out of pure rage. There's some great manufacturers out there making some pretty decent and reliable machines that unfortunately get funneled into the horrendous Microsoft user experience.

[@jchi6822]

Is it possible to solder more SSD chips on modern MacBook motherboards for more storage? (Granted, chips are hard to get too)

[@m.m.m.c.a.k.e]

Fantastic product list

[@oggilein1]

What's your opinion on the 2019 desktop mac pro? I know some people who will refuse to get anything other than apple and have asked me for advice as to what they should get for their next machine and the 2019 mac pro seems like the most repair friendly product apple is still currently producing

[@AbdAbdAbdAbd]

apple will soon enough kill off intel support so it'll be essentially a massive cheese grater brick for folks unwilling to use boot camp to install windows or go all out with linux.

[@rossmanngroup]

It's an apple

[@boppernostopper8598]

Still extremely overpriced for the performance and expandability. Cool machining on the case but thats about it.

[@chrisculhane3777]

Let them fuck around and find out

[@RandomUser2401]

@@rossmanngroup seriously, you've sunken that low to give such primitive 13yo "iTs ApPleE" answers. Come on Louis, that's a new low.

[@ReinierS]

Watching this from a 16 inch MacBook without a proper backup. Living on the edge

[@cyllananassan9159]

how do you do board repairs if all new products are firmware locked? do you get parts for the new apple macbooks?

[@GOLiathus_over]

i like some of this guys soldering technique

[@DigiDriftZone]

We've gone through 20 or so MacBooks (small business) as well as peripherals, speakers, apple TVs, monitors, you name it in the past 2 decades. We've had a 2013 Macbook Pro recently fail with a bad 128GB SSD - thankfully that one is socketed so it was an easy fix and 2 of our laptops were replaced under warranty with the dreaded butterfly keyboard, also a pair of original airpods 1, the battery now lasts just 1 hour which is frustrating. Everything else is still working, some of which is over a decade old now. I guess we've been super lucky but how many 10+ year old Windows laptops are still in use?

[@nagabulbul6627]

I am one lucky 10+ year old windows laptop user 😅. Got my mid ranged Asus laptop in 2013 (DOS installed). Immediately after buying, I installed Windows 7 then upgraded to Windows 10 when it was released. Old boy is too outdated for Windows 11, or so says Microsoft. Currently, I am still using it for some MS Office apps and occasional Dota 2 gaming. Boots a bit slow but once booted, it is still going fast and strong.

[@Teluric2]

Many , I sold like 6 laptops from a engineer friend they were looking bad but working. 10 years on a mac ? I doubt

[@Teluric2]

If you talk about windows laptops like all the same is because 1 you re clueless 2 you are a liar. 3 all the above.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@Teluric2 that comment is 5 months old, our oldest Apple laptop turned 11 and still working fine and looks great! :)

[@ContagiousRepublic]

Apple should REALLY change business model to RENTING, and have the repairs far cheaper and mod-and-3rd-party supporting. People would pay for that kind of freedom... and they'd get so many more customers to sell things in the app store!! But noooo! MUST-BE-EVIL!!

[@ghost-user559]

I mean you can spend 100$ a year to have Apple care indefinitely now? So anyone can get repairs or replacements for as long as they like. Pretty much tech insurance at that point.

[@Stolen_Bits]

Yes, because what people want is even LESS ownership of their devices. I’d rather own one, have it die, learn my lesson and never buy another from them.

[@matheus8530]

Is there a way to avoid this problem?

[@xankersmith9194]

A very simple reverse voltage zener diode (a chip that would cost less than pennies) could save the NAND from overvoltage failures. It'd fry the buck converter by shorting it in overvoltage, but at least you'd have your data... Of course apple could just use chips that don't fail like that as well. I wonder if there'd be a market for securing user data by bodging such a chip onto the motherboard? The apple ecosystem is wild.

[@gorkyd7912]

Board Designer: "Will this chip ever send 7+ volts down the rail?" Component provider: "No." Board Designer: "Ok good, guess we won't need this diode..."

[@doogie812]

If you have a customer base with those affected products, inform them you can install a 3 volt zener diode in the NAND rails to keep them their data from frying...

[@ri-gor]

How are you using wyze cameras to record all this? Did you download that firmware that lets it work as a standard IP camera before they took it down?

[@redleader6442]

Apple used to give a shit about quality from the '70s to the early 2000s. Even the horrible Spindler era did a better job with quality than today's Apple junk. My LC III and Blue & White PowerMac G3 are decent examples. After recapping, they're still perfect. I wouldn't buy new from them anymore.

[@giovannip.1433]

Is there a failure in the insulation substrate on the multiplayer PCB? Causing power to be sent in a different direction?

[@nickjohnson410]

I try to warn people but they don't listen.

[@davematthewes7446]

Maybe that's what is wrong with the Macbook pro I picked up with the blinking file icon on the screen

[@jakeclauson9863]

How do you keep the components from blowing away before the solder flows?

[@rossmanngroup]

Surface tension

[@stevenswexler]

Good morning Mr. Phelps. Yadda, yadda, yadda... This MacBook Pro will self destruct in five seconds.

[@ecNfe]

If I had to guess what the problem is, since there doesn't seem to be an obvious problem in the schematic circuit, the enable voltage probably went or stayed high before the ppbus voltage came on. There's no sequencing requirement in the TPS62180 datasheet but it may cause a reliability issue with the part.

[@kubus223]

On top panel Polish word :) I got 2 apple devices on this moment no issues.

[@RJ-hq7cy]

So what is an alternative for phones and computers?

[@ericmoeller3634]

speaking of ssds my laptop i bought second hand from a pawnshop and i always take something like that apart to see if it needs to be cleaned well it was spotless just a little dust around the heat sink and i found a section on the board that wasn't populated with anything and its forna ssd but it has a mechanical hard drive

[@krzysztofmazurkiewicz5270]

Laptop sticker rocks ;) I think we had this one back in one of the previous videos. Or it had the same sricker ;)

[@BlindMansRevenge2002]

Have you had to have a similar problem with a Dell motherboard?

[@jontait1095]

Brilliant apple you launched a programme where we could rent tools and equipment and oem parts then you make a 100% unrepairable macbooks. Just brilliant apple you couldn't write this stuff

[@Sirmellowman]

how are the new m1 13 inch macbooks? any common issues with them? anything other than the swap issue using up the ssd's because of low ram

[@Trid3nt861]

I noticed that the mainboard on the Macbook pro looks like a pair of handcuffs....

[@djdangaynor]

Watching your videos is making me consider selling my M1 Macbook Air. What would be a good alternative?

[@lazyhomeowner]

can you add a resistor to the board to limit the current?

[@Teluric2]

Bad for apple business.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Woe!!! What the flying f*ck!?!?!?! 🙀Where are the kitty cats?!?!?!?🐈‍⬛😿🐈😸

[@fredsmith2277]

apple is for suckers, i would never own one on principal that i want to own the device, if i buy an apple, apple still owns the device, i just paid to use it and thats all !!!