Are Ash's combos still RIDICULOUSLY DIFFICULT in KoF15?

We're back playing more King of Fighters 15!! Today I'll be running through trial mode for Ash Crimson, and then showing off another combo I found online that shows off some of the uses of Sans Culottes to allow him to do CRAZY juggle combos! Hope you enjoy the KoFXV content, let me know if you'd like to see more!
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[@jwonggg]

I need to try this!

[@ameersher]

Let's go Justin

[@mikashi1593]

But Justin, yesterday you said to the Twitch chat to stop saying his name 🤣🤣🤣

[@luna_kits2345]

Hey Justin, what level of spring tension you're using on your stick?

[@kuchiku-kanzo759]

Im waiting on the video to drop

[@dark3031]

I'm still waiting for you to complete your KOF 13 Ash Trials.

[@SlySoShady]

Now do the combo facing left.

[@shinygrowlithe3882]

That's how you can tell you mastered a combo

[@Carrapato_RJ]

Ash can't do that only characters like kusanagi can do this

[@edgiest-edgelord-that-edges]

That is an evil request, satan

[@shinygrowlithe3882]

@@edgiest-edgelord-that-edges for an edgelord you reply wasn't very edgy

[@MentalDeviant]

I hate that some moves are easier for me on one side

[@Nope-oz7zm]

You weren't joking when you said that the Ash vid was coming soon... And I fell in love with Ash a second time when I saw the Install.

[@arsonne]

For anyone feeling discouraged by any combos in KOF.. Just remember, you can just do Starter > Super > Neomax for 90% of whatever crazy, optimal stuff you wanted to do most of the time. Don't make it harder than it needs to be if you're still working on execution!

[@Neogears1312]

Also Ralf exists; there's plenty of characters that are amazing and don't need combos to do that. I think knowing characters like him and 3S chun li are a thing literally is what will help fighting games grow, that there's just characters that throw out normals to play the game and thats fine.

[@CJSmith30]

Real 🤣

[@matrix3509]

Also, if you are having a hard time with combos, you should remember the button hold trick to force moves to come out on the earliest possible frame. The vast majority of BnBs in King of Fighters don't need super specific timing. So use the button hold trick and massively simplify your practice.

[@DocDevious23]

Exactly, my execution sucks but there's still plenty of ways to play that don't require you to do hyper complex combos!

[@Carrapato_RJ]

@@Neogears1312 i main clark and he don't need extreme combos just j.A C 2 hit BC run C 2 hit sdm. In kof 2002 um im mean

[@EmberGyaru]

I agree. I wish there were more combo trials. I know I'm in the minority, but I actually buy a bunch of fighting games to do the trials. 5 is pretty weak sauce, so I hope maybe they'll add more in the future. Not holding my breath, though.

[@dark3031]

I like doing the trials too, even KOF 13 I enjoyed many of the trials (except a few annoying ones, no it wasn't just Ash). I really hope they could do something like letting players submitting their trials.

[@EmberGyaru]

@@dark3031 Yes!! Like the new Combo Maker in GG Strive! I would LOVE if that became a regular feature in most fighting games.

[@maxwellmichaelangelo]

Fuck yes his combos are because they are so complex rare and unique because of his flame along with fighting style alone

[@kaiser8773]

Looks like the combo king isn't going anywhere....

[@julianmorgan79]

I know it probably won't happen but I hope that this game gets a custom combo maker like strive did, simply because of the fact that the trials are so short

[@DrSlump-fz9ki]

Honestly, this is not hard at all compared to XIII, that’s a good thing imo, his combos were so demanding that it made him fun for only people that could do the install combos which is not what a character should boil down to. Ash is back and beautiful, I love it

[@xOwlBear]

What I love about Ash it's his high risk, high reward. That's why I love him so much in KoF XIII.

[@yinlo5876]

But in 13 the reward isn't even high. Iori can still do more damage with way easier execution

[@xOwlBear]

@@yinlo5876 Well... To my perspective of that it's that if you want to do more damage with Ash you have to keep doing your combos and if you fcked it up because of greediness or you are not confident enough on what you are doing, you will get a big punish for it.

[@saadhasan2518]

@@xOwlBear same here I played Ash on secondary and I loved that risk you had to do high execution with good Sans Culotte chains to get max damage and a potential KO but if you were the one to drop the combo you would get killed he's also fun in this game as well

[@azrael9561]

Trail Mode in KOF 14 was also 5 Different Mission. I believe this to be a BnB's and the mechanics of the characters it tries to teach.

[@Lewt_2B]

This is still an improvement over 14 trials. The trials in 14 were very unpractical, at least these ones in 15 make more sense.

[@f.carreira]

I am so glad you are liking KOF XV, because I like the way you make your videos, so will be great to see you playing this game that I am obsessed with.

[@trulydumb506]

Imho angel is the hardest character in KoF rechain combos are nuts, and she NEEDS the optimization since her damage is horrid without it. So glad she made it, would love to see you tackle those!

[@brightnoa21]

She's really not that crazy, her move set just looks bigger than it is. She feels like a tekken or mk character. I think weaving all of her unchain stuff into her neutral and pressure is the actual challenge, combos are relatively fair.

[@BlueDragon7100]

The only thing more frustrating than brute forcing a combo is chunking it just to learn that the proration of the combo means the timing for the next chunk is totally different.

[@Lavender_FGC]

Practicing the middle chunk only to find out that when you apply the first chunk the hit stun is totally different 🥲

[@jamesmckinnon7346]

i like the sand dude and the sleeping dude! can u play sand dude and sleeping dude

[@ShadowRealmZ373]

Ash definition of it takes a real man to be best girl

[@cheshirect]

I get that ash's trials were hard. but ive seen so many streamers and youtubers trying to finish the kof 13 trials. To this day, I have not seen any of the same ppl trying to finish Clarks kof 13 trials, lmao. now those were hard.

[@NaniMadres]

Clark's trials are boring imo, but they're not hard

[@cheshirect]

@@NaniMadres my carpal tunnel would disagree

[@maskofacryingclown3]

Crazy cuz brute force works perfectly for me. I can't do chunkin. I tried and my brain for whatever reason can't remember the other sections of it then putting it together in the same order just makes my brain hurt. Even tho technically I am doing chunkin when I drop the first part of the combo to learn it. It's easy for me to just start all over haha

[@saadhasan2518]

Yeah I learned big boy KOF XIII combos directly by doing them all in one go

[@maskofacryingclown3]

@@saadhasan2518 Nice

[@Jayson619]

Install combo looks inferior after seeing the Training mode combo. But to each his own; accessibility FTW. I'm skipping that install combo.

[@DoublemanFM]

I saw a video by "MegaMan KOFXV" that was 100% off the same jump-in starter, look that up

[@JChap88]

Leona if you like charge characters

[@henriniemela1746]

I’ve never seen this guy post on a weekend before At least it’s not in my memory

[@thathandleistakentrythisone]

Ah yes, Ash's slimey booger flame

[@jlb7608]

My man. Look at how much your subs have grown. Great job dude.

[@sonicflash5090]

i wish i could climax cancel

[@Neuvari]

do you havr to do something to unlock stuff in gallery or is it unlock from the beginning?

[@KevinM88TR11]

Liked and Subscribed, this is a good channel 👍. Edit: I didn't realize how many broken characters were in all these games I use to play.

[@angiebaker3693]

Ash, male or female? Is the character suppose to look gay?

[@mikashi1593]

Lol his sexuality kinda questionable at some point, but he just drawn that way I mean, he's French

[@benadrylthundercrotch7144]

I expect some more missions to be added later on.

[@mvskokee918]

Glad to hear you liek kof brother. excited to see your game grow

[@NaniMadres]

Ah... Ash Crimson... That infamous character who has difficult and unnecessary long combos while other characters only need a few commands to do more damage than him... I missed that femboy

[@demonreturns4336]

Ok so I haven’t played KOF in a while Ash is a guy? Is this like Poison equivalent from street fighter or something?

[@WolfMoon351]

But it can’t be done if you can’t play charge characters.

[@shirakani]

Ash's new move makes Sans-Culottes combos really easy now, literally mindless. Also from midscreen after a normal flashkick super you can link cleanly into Sans-Culottes and go flashkick, b+HK, f+HK... lather rinse repeat to carry to the wall. That new b~f+K move is what makes everything literally mindless and zero effort.

[@saadhasan2518]

It's also a launcher in the ex version so that helps the b~f+K special in XIII looked cool af in combos and I kinda miss it but the new one is still great.

[@shirakani]

@@saadhasan2518 The old stuff ie b+HK, flashkick 1hit x5 loop into LK flashkick in corner still works, but there's absolutely no point to doing it coz the hit scaling rapes the damage down to near worthless levels. Using the new b~f+HK move in Sans-Culottes repeatedly gives far far better damage and it also has the bonus of working anywhere, corner, midscreen, and pretty much full corner carry... No reason not to use. It really is too good. Only thing I miss is the Sans-Culottes finisher that sealed the opponent's specials.

[@saadhasan2518]

@@shirakani yeah I agree with you you'd only do that if you want to style on your opponent and not having the follow up to Sans Culotte makes sense

[@shirakani]

@@saadhasan2518 I still wish he had the followup. Remove the 'sealing' ability since Kagura has her power back sure but the move itself was cool.

[@saadhasan2518]

@@shirakani yeah KOing someone using that followup was pretty cool imo

[@Ocelopillitl]

There's magic in the way you do trials XD

[@FhargaZ]

After one year, ash still can TOD You 😄

[@supremeinfrrno3304]

Can you do andy combos next

[@Menace6ix]

Legacy fightstick support?

[@fuman7057]

Benimaru and Duo Lon both had more demanding execution requirements than Ash in XIII.

[@saadhasan2518]

Ash was actually the hardest character alongside Duolon •Ash had charge inputs for hid HD combos and then you have Sans Culotte combos. •Duolon was techincal his bnbs had awkward cancels especially HD combos and he also had 1 frame links for his combos

[@NaniMadres]

Benimaru? There are at least 12 characters above him xD About Duo Lon... yep, he's one of the hardest, maybe more than Ash. But he's not the hardest, Elisabeth trials are more demanding (she is the hardest one imo).

[@NaniMadres]

@@saadhasan2518 I dunno... Ash only has 3 challenging trials (same as Leona) and Duo Lon only 2. Characters like Liz, Mr. Karate, Chin and K’ have more than 3 trials that demand good skills. PS: Ash is not the hardest, he's just the most popular. And the infamous Trial 8 is not the hardest, the last one is more difficult by far.

[@dado380]

Already I can see it's ten times better game than 14,especially lows seems more natural,combos are mix of 13 and 14 and thank god Yamazaki is in game!

[@duggyfresh8899]

Smthis might soumd stupid i get the appeal of combo trials and i definitely want them in fighting games butni kinda just use them to give me some info on whats possible and i dont really care about completing them. Because of wierd things like doing the combo, but you have to use this one version when either version works. My favorite aspect of fighting games if the game has it, is options and freedom in how you put combos together and i really like spending forever in training mode finding cool stuff.

[@Lupo32]

Yeah ash has gotten rusty since Preventing himself from existing.... But I prefer him over shun ei.

[@TheAssirra]

Would you ever consider an arcade stick tutorial or maybe even a cam for showing your hands? Cannot even imagine how you press some buttons.

[@BlueDragon7100]

Yo, if u ever decide to cover Strive's new combo maker, please try my Millia combos. I'll post the codes in a reply

[@ultimateretroasd]

Here's another bonkers combo I've just found kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZvId4SwbJtjbbM

[@luna_kits2345]

Hey jmcrofts, what level of spring tension you're using on your stick?

[@istizzz]

That combo was sick but maybe some Vanessa or angel. I heard angel used to be complex in old games

[@bryantnonya8704]

This game not only looks like the best King of fighters game ever made but they managed to beat Street fighter 4 and 5 at their own game! I was never a fan of the 2.5d Street fighter 4 or Street fighter v but this game does 2.5d the way 2.5d was meant to be done...

[@saadhasan2518]

I agree Kof XV looks better than those games especially SFV

[@DarttheLegend]

I wanna see some K'

[@Spicyjgaming]

Any tips for canceling into Sans Culotte?

[@glonik10]

Button hold trick is for any move in the game, works on wakeup too

[@purevilpanda]

What’s the trick to canceling flash kick in to supers Iv been at it for 2 days …

[@jmcrofts]

you have to sneak the first quarter circle forward input into the flashkick input. In numpad notation: 2369+D 236+D

[@purevilpanda]

@@jmcrofts I had to take a break was at it for 5 hours and nothing but thank you really want to play ash but I’m defeated atm

[@mariocastrojim6299]

Man,if you want hard,try playing Angel

[@Carrapato_RJ]

Yes he is more easy and viable now

[@PizzaIsPeak]

130

[@Wolfie1262]

I have always sucked at KoF combos. They just don’t chain as cleanly as some other games imo

[@MrToxiclaughter]

Its all a matter of timing but each character has its own, so everytime it will be a learning experience. Watch for example Iori 2002 combos and compare it to Andy 2002 combo, Iori even if you miss the timing you can adjust mid combo to get it right while Andy if you miss by a second it will probably whif like hell

[@Wolfie1262]

@@MrToxiclaughter sure. But I still suck lol I love KoF, particularly 2002, so I know I suck at KiG style combos.

[@gaminglakitu]

Man, Ash's gameplay just looks so cool, I love his character, and he's hot as hell, I'm just so disappointed that he's a charge character because I'm always bad with them 😔

[@gondolaFGC]

Use that as motivation to learn! It's a new game so it's the perfect time to jump in! 😁 I love Billy Kane but am not very good at charging. I think I'll learn Ash since he's cool too, plus it'll get me ready for when Billy drops 👀

[@gaminglakitu]

@@gondolaFGC I would definitely jump in if I could but I don't have the money to get in rn at the moment lol (let alone the money for PS Plus lmao)

[@wolvenwolfdogservices]

Is it me or is his other charge move he has is no longer in his moveset?

[@yakone1379]

If you mean the one where he dashes, I think it's still there, but looks different. Here it's where he blinks to the enemy and hits them with fire similar to his projectile.

[@wolvenwolfdogservices]

@@yakone1379 really? Does it have the same name but a different look? If so ig it just feels different since I am used to it lol.

[@yakone1379]

@@wolvenwolfdogservices I don't actually play the game so I don't totally know, but it seems to have the same input so I'm assuming it's the same move but revamped

[@AncientPurpleDragon]

Is that a man or a woman?

[@kaiser8773]

yes

[@1Diddums]

He's French.

[@bragior]

Depending on the time of day, the French go either way

[@Neogears1312]

He is Le' gay frenchman.

[@mr.yagami19]

he's a fem-boy

[@Arassar]

Every new game that comes out without a combo maker similar to Strive will be a bummer

[@ravaniphoenix5431]

Yeah, but this was in development before Strive had combo maker, so there was no chance of this every having it. Maybe they can add it later, though. They ARE listening to fans, after all. Just gotta make some noise.

[@prazman]

As someone that has not played GG, what is a combo maker?

[@facupumas18]

@@prazman with combo maker people can create trials so you can try to do them. It's very useful to learn characters

[@bloodcraftloveborne6280]

Sf2 had short combos and they are still fun to perform. Gameplay makes the trick for fun!!!!!!

[@SalimOfShadow]

Ridulously difficult?More like bad execution

[@miguelon10821]

This guy is obviously bad playing kof, wierd for a content creator that focus on fighting games.

[@canermyumyunov6884]

First lmfao

[@dudeman3594]

If you think THAT'S hard...

[@Varshun]

hey can you stop killing the KOF community thanks

[@AirLancer]

I think the trials are kept simple out of sheer laziness. If you only include the most basic combos that are pretty much guaranteed to work, then they don't have to update the trials when they inevitably make balance changes.

[@Neogears1312]

no its because 13's ruined KOF's reputation as a hyper dexterous fighting game with how garbage it's trials were. It's making them practical instead of flexing about what's technically possible.

[@soliduswasright678]

No it's because KOF 13's trials gave the series a rep as a 'impossibly hard' fighter to get into.

[@piwithatsme]

Kof 13 trials are all impractical unoptimal wastes of time. Basic bnbs in kof are pretty eady

[@saadhasan2518]

Kof 13's trials were hard and fun to pull off but they were quite impractical in real match situations

[@CompressionPolice]

Man that install visual looks terrible

[@loohole81]

How long before the newcomers and casuals drop this because it's too tough??? Just being honest.

[@AirLancer]

What are you talking about? It's easier than ever to do combos and such. Even these Ash combos are far, far, far easier than the ones he had in 13. Newcomers and casuals drop practically every fighting game simply because most people aren't interested in actually putting any work into improving, and most fighting games don't have enough of a long-term population for those kinds of people to consistently match up with each other past week 2. Maybe with rollback though, that might change.

[@daverageplayer5559]

@@AirLancer Well said

[@WaffleOnTheRun]

@@AirLancer no theres guilty gear strive which made a good push at becoming more beginner friendly and still has a really healthy population, fighting games shouldn't be hard mainly because of hard combos and inputs they should be hard from the mindgames that happen, and Kof 15 combos are still really hard and it also has auto-combos that do 50% health so unless you can do the really optimal combos consistently it is more optimal to auto combo which is not good because players that want to get better and learn optimal combos won't see any improvement in doing simple bnbs because they do less damage than auto combos. Basically this game is learn insanely hard combos that even fighting game veterans will have trouble with or do auto combos and anything else is not optimal.

[@soliduswasright678]

@@WaffleOnTheRun It is not 'more optimal' to auto combo, that is a bold faced lie and no they're not insanely hard combos either. I'm dogshit at fighting games and I can do them, all you're doing is scaring potential players off.

[@skytentheknight3294]

@@WaffleOnTheRun You left out a major part in the auto combos doing 50%. They need meter for supers and supers by usual design, do a lot of damage.

[@TyRiders2]

Are K's Combos back