Are Bikes Today Too Fast? Ryan Villopoto & Jake Weimer discuss

[@dunfielder]

Have a 250 2 stroke only series that is just as big as the 450 series. Race on different days and see which draws the most fans. I know where I'd be, smelling sweet two smoke. It was the best racing.

[@iangraham5320]

Have it be run what you brung kinda like straight rythem. build whatever you can with commercially available parts. Nothing inaccessible.

[@Xeil]

@@iangraham5320 I would say stock motors and the rest is open season. Suspension is a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain even with the factory stuff than these 30-100k motors the factory teams get to play with. It's at the point where it's extremely inaccessible to the 9-5 guy who is an absolute beast on a bike without the financial backing/recognition.

[@purebloodheretic4682]

Yeah, I'd Love to see 2t Racing Back in SX! The EPA Regulations in California Killed the 2 Stroke, That's Why it Went to 4 Stroke, I Can't Imagine the Lefties will Allow 2t Racing on Any National Indoor Event! The 2 Strokes Still Dominate the Major Enduro & Hare Scramble Events! -Cheers 👍😉

[@purebloodheretic4682]

@@Xeil Great Idea, It Might be Hard to Police the 'Stock Engine Rule' though, I'd Imagine there'd be some Shenanigans Going on with Engine Specs, Maybe it could be done like Moto 3, they all use the Same Engine Brand, but individual Teams can Build their Own Chassis ect, the Motors are 'Sealed' & Get sent back to the Manufacturer for Maintenance & Reconditioning ect, They Dyno all Motors to Check the Output Levels are all on Par! -Cheers👍😉

[@douglasgrosch228]

BRING 2 STROKES BACK and MOTOCROSS be bigger BRAAAAP sound and smell goood..

[@steveconnor8669]

soon we’ll be talking about reducing voltage, not cc’s.

[@ClummzyDummzy]

electric is dangerous as hell. Can't hear them

[@racingfuel28]

It’ll happen eventually, but I think it’s still about ten or 12 years out. When you go to a race, you expect to hear motors, and smell race gas. It’s gonna be a while before people are willing to give that up. Cars will go electric, or at least hybrid in a few years to save on gas money, but I think stuff like NASCAR, and monster trucks and dirt bikes will still be combustion engine for a while.

[@mulisha0351]

No ones going to pack out a stadium to watch rc cars (bikes) go around a track...

[@cfvgd]

i will not watch it anymore by then

[@hootmx198]

So you wouldn't go watch downhill mtb?

[@jaxxrocket1530]

"There's no power band man!" ~ RV

[@docstomp5524]

I have ridden both and remember, two strokes were pretty damn attention demanding. Trying to navigate a track while being in the right gear, at the right RPM on the power, shifting constantly, potentially missing a shift or bogging the engine all made it a challenge and kind of tiring. You can ride so much lazier now, in the low RPM so I guess the extra power is there if you need it or not. The new four strokes are more tune-able with more options The only thing I miss about the two stokes were they were a little more lite and flick-able.

[@richardupyurass2379]

Supercross should be two strokes. It would both level the field and let the best riders shine

[@markoIam1]

It should all be 2 strokes

[@tylersvensson4468]

Honestly they need to bring 2 strokes back otherwise it’s just gonna get boring because now I’m board of watching them all of 450f and 250f even though when they get to ride on them 250 2t they all ways have a smile on there face also the brands would make so much money from brining modern day 2 strokes like Suzuki for example there jgr team just left there bikes are slow as hell they haven’t made improvements but if they bring back the 125 250 and maybe a 500 they would open the market and they will sell out instantly and get back into the game but for some reason they don’t like to gamble they just make a vehicle and sell it couldn’t care about how fast how good it runs

[@haloreach107able]

I agree

[@tylersvensson4468]

@@haloreach107able but there at a disadvantage then as all the tracks are made for new 450s so that would put a disadvantage on the 2 strokes and there lacking horsepower which I know it doesn’t matter but the factory 450s are pushing 65-70hp at least and with 2 strokes you can only do so much but it would take more skill and make you shine more but AMA is not going to do it they see how other people make money then they do it to themselves and ban other people like gopros everyone is getting popular of them now they ban them so people have to pay to watch it on tv but they tried the yz400f and it won the championship so people wanted to try something different as they been racing 2 strokes for 30 years already and now everyone including the pros want to race 2 strokes again but I doubt it will happen unless everybody stops watching AMA then they will listen to the fans I really wished a straight rhythm would of happened this year but unfortunately not

[@jimwilkey7294]

Two of my favorite racers. RV is so much more relaxed now that he is retired. No Power Band Man 😜

[@slagletoby]

Good call-in Scruffy! The Honda in the background... 🥰

[@jordanonofer3886]

I agree about the 2 stroke racing being more exciting. Just you tube the older races. The racing is way more entertaining.

[@AngelRodriguez-eo7wp]

Bring 2 strokes back to racing it was better racing

[@Ballsvu]

Better racing like in the 90's? McGrath won 93,94,95,96,98,99 and 2000! The last 3 years there has been 3 different champions for the first time since 1984 this year there are more guys that could win than any year i can remember the racing is going to be awesome!

[@dunfielder]

@@Ballsvu McGrath was the man! Your argument holds no water. He was head and shoulders above anyone in sx back then. Got an sx only ride which was crazy back then. There will always be riders come along on a higher level the bike has nothing to do with it. Besides there were 4 different champs through the 90's. Stanton, Bayle, Emig, and of course Showtime. 2000-2009 was basically RC and Bubba with a sprinkle of Reed. 2010-2020 is pretty much Dungey and Villopoto. So what is different about the number of champs in the last decade sir? Nothing that's what.

[@theread3480]

@@dunfielder 2010-2020 is Villopoto, Dungey, Anderson, Webb, and Tomac

[@DonJDawson]

Bring back the 500cc 2 stroke class!!

[@lukebevan9939]

If all the 2022 dirt bikes only go 50 mph I’m blaming it this interview 😂

[@craigyarrington4964]

They could easily go to 200cc and 350 ~ 400cc. It's really that simple. Who would have thought they would get the 250fs to where they are at today. Most 450s are detuned anyway. A quick fix would be to drop the bore size on them.

[@Prisonmike89]

Ferrandis had a faster lap time than all the 450 guys on several SX qualifiers last season.

[@johnnyskied]

@@zumptt JS7 was doing quads and combos in his 125 days that no one else did...including RC.

[@RyanMcIntyre]

You could do to 450s what they did to 500cc two-strokes and only use them outdoors. Then split the 250 class into factory (former 450 riders) and lites.

[@sendit9129]

There are a ton of things I could chime in on regarding the "issues" of today's supercross, but I wanted to add in something about the bikes. I think equally as important as the power (both the amount, and how controllable), is the suspension and frame geometry. I grew up and learned to build bikes (suspension included) during the time when Open cartridge forks were beginning to phase out, Twin chambers were brought in, followed by SFF and air suspension. 10-12 years ago, achieving the same dampening quality as a modern day stock bike would cost you several thousand dollars.. and these new "A kits" are allowing riders to make mistakes that riders couldn't do back in the day. The end result is that we're seeing the equipment do more of the work than what we're used to seeing, and thats making the racing less appealing (amongst other things, like riders all sharing very, very similar styles).

[@Matthiaz131]

You can take a lot of power away from the bikes by a rule that reduces sound. Bring that sound back to 85-90DB, it would put the manufacturers for a new challenge and the bikes would become totally different to ride. Besides that would it be beneficial for the sport in general because sound complaints would be a little ludicrous. Off course it would take something away from our sport, but then again this "jumping everything in first gear" does that too. Maybe this is something to talk about next time?

[@coltondugger1423]

They should just make 3 strokes to meet everyone in the middle, and make the powerbands easier to change out. The last one I changed on a 4 stroke flew off like a rubber band and smacked my eye black and blue.

[@yz2508]

you have to loosen the tensioner on the power band to prevent that from happening.

[@jessemulock1163]

DO I HEAR TALK OF WANKEL MX BIKES

[@danielarney9729]

Get rid of the the wasted strokes

[@panellamx5671]

RV seems like a great guy

[@Mansplainer411]

Literally fuck the ama and just let 2 strokes race in the same cc class again. Having yz250's and 250sx' out there would be so awesome to see against the 250f's. Maybe it could even convince some manufacturers to bring back some open class 2 strokes to race in the 450 class

[@lifeisgood3589]

Although I get why they do the premiere 450 class last for each race you could make an argument that one of the perks of reaching the premiere class is you get to race first on the track when conditions are better then have the 250's race after the 450 main event. Now you would probably have more injuries to the rookie 250 riders because of that so its a iffy subject. But for TV I get why they race last

[@dylanpope4360]

What color power band do you guys run on your race bikes?

[@KG-yc6cl]

Usually purple. But some guys use green.

[@pauldayton5285]

@@KG-yc6cl I was told white? Lol

[@jimmymacaroni2781]

Jesus Christ this is not a drill..

[@maxracingteam23]

Red 🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@marksommerville5857]

Pink, with purple pokadots. But they have to be 5mm diameter and 4.5mm apart or it doesn't work properly.

[@aarongood220]

125 two stroke and 250 four banger should be the two indoor classes.

[@ryanclayborn4176]

250f is too slow. 350 would be enough

[@aarongood220]

@@ryanclayborn4176 u think an Austrian only 350 class is a good idea?

[@ryanclayborn4176]

@@aarongood220 not implying that, though you have enough options from them now. lol

[@johnnyskied]

There used to be three classes in supercross. A 250 2t class would be a good draw.

[@koengixxer]

The sx tracks and most mx tracks in merica are to flat and designed for high speeds and to big jumps, that's why when u crash u have big injuries.. Make the tracks more technical and less fast and groomed.. But yeah, it's all about the showtime..

[@aidenmaves5537]

I mean thats kindof the reason some people are drawn to the sport

[@aidenmaves5537]

Big jumps and action

[@michaelbastas6355]

250 four stroke class as normal & then a 250 two stroke pro class instead of the 450cc..

[@rg807]

It's not that the bikes are too fast per se, it's that the bikes have tons of power and are too easy to ride. The way to fix this is to get rid of 450's in Supercross. They got rid of 500 2 strokes a long time ago. This shouldn't be hard to see the correlation.

[@atypical_moto]

This will never happen. Bike manufacturers sell their flagship 450's because of SX and MX.

[@dunfielder]

@@atypical_moto Only if you buy them!

[@glpdrum]

So true about the 500's, for example Kawasaki made a 750 2 stroke street bike and it was a freakin monster! They had to stop making it.

[@dunfielder]

@@glpdrum My dad had the kawi 500 back in the 70's. 3 cylinder 2 stroke 500. It was wicked fast. The only thing faster at the time was Kawi's 750.

[@VeritableSmorgasbord]

Are the 4 strokes more expensive and that’s why the manufacturers are so gung ho on making them?

[@thor9217]

2 strokes love the sound and smell bring them back the best riders win on them

[@vwgtdturbo]

in our country its allowed in 250f class do ride with 250 twostroke ,much better racing so!

[@brandonheist5563]

Bring back 2 stroke racing!

[@Anthrax-nz4ic]

Return to 125 2 strokes Return to 250 2 strokes And leave the 450 as open class as an option for people who still want to use them Its a start I guess

[@Jake_Hynds]

awe the 4 strokes are to powerfull for you ? lol

[@Anthrax-nz4ic]

Nope, just trying to help the sport out.I remember watching it in the late 90s and 00s. Crowds are have been declining

[@Jake_Hynds]

@@Anthrax-nz4ic yea well i dont think that a having 2 strokes race again is going to change that unfortunatly

[@nestserau]

@@Anthrax-nz4ic Crowds are declining not because of more strokes. The masculinity is on a decline. So are the sports that require balls.

[@Anthrax-nz4ic]

I was always curious,imagine if even half of the manufacturers R&D budget was directed to the development of the 2 strokes. Could they actually be improved. Not so much concerned about emissions but raw power. I think that would be exciting. What do the rest of you think?

[@reese3407]

500, 250 and 125cc format was the best!

[@marksommerville5857]

Easy, make SX 2 strokes, 125 and 250s. Outdoor either,( so 250 and 450 4 strokes). Great for riders, great for manufacturers, great for the sport.

[@Supercoxracing]

This might be considered a hot take, but I think there would be a lot more injuries if the series got switched to 125’s and 250 2 strokes

[@racingfuel28]

Nah it’d slow the bikes down. Ken Roczen’s arm injury would never have happened on a two stroke. Might still have had the crash, and maybe broke the arm, but would never have been as bad as it was when he was launched 40-50 feet through the air off of a rhythm section jump. It wasn’t even a Supercross triple. It was just a normal rhythm section. Only problem with 125s, idk abou 250 two strokes, but a lot of brands don’t even make a 125 anymore. I think Yamaha is the only one. But the injuries have gotten more serious because of 450 four strokes. I’m not even anti four stroke either, I think 2 and 4 stroke both have their place, but you take away 450s, at least in sx, and watch how quickly guys stop getting these injuries that derail their careers for 2-3 years.

[@Jake-rp9cv]

@@racingfuel28 I love riding as much as the next guy, and injuries are almost impossible to avoid no matter how much you spend on equipment, but I totally agree with you that running two strokes would make it a lot safer. The bikes weigh less and are a lot easier to control, they have power, just not as much. It would be very enjoyable to see a 2 stroke sx or even a 2 stroke mx season! It would make it much more affordable for your average joe like me ;)

[@Supercoxracing]

@@racingfuel28 I agree completely, but that is not exactly what I meant. Think about how much harder it is to ride a 125 two stroke fast than it is a 250f? Not only because a 125 doesn't produce as much power, but it's a lot harder to make a 125 go fast. You don't have to be as precise on a 250f or 450f, so on two strokes I think there would be more injuries because of how much riders rely on the ease of a four stroke. They are two different riding styles anyway. There is a reason that all the guys that grew up riding two strokes are ripping 450's in the vet class haha.

[@bluemarkthomas]

first change to sx should be get rid of most of the bowl turns. Back in the old days riders had to learn how to corner. the bowl turns just add to the excessive speed. Second 250 class should be able to run two or four stroke. 250 class should run full series. Third have a 125cc class that is regional with a 2 year limit for younger, smaller kids that aren't ready or comfortable with a 250f. With three classes go to 20 15 and 10 laps.

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

Send your tips to fim and ama.

[@danholmes5372]

I know how to fix it right away... put a HP limit on each class... give each manufacture a fighting chance and everyone can reach that HP limit, the 250f class will actually be fair for the new guys and privateers, that call is all about factory parts and how much power you can create, not about raw talent.. back in the day James use to kill everyone on a 125 two stroke because the bikes were closer in lower, but he had work work his ASS off to do it, make it so the 250s can’t do a few of the jumps on the track.. bring back strategy instead of raw power and who can do the biggest jump...

[@chrisbecvar391]

The bikes as is, are here to stay. In SX, the issue is track layout and design. The layouts are simplistic and very much the same week to week. They could easily design tracks with a slower pace that are more technical. Slower speeds, less injuries. Im sure the TV people would not go for that, so we are stuck there as well. If they arent careful, theyll be jumping over smashed up cars before too long.

[@justindunafon8580]

Have you seen hard Enduro?

[@zacharyradford5552]

They need a lottery called hat draw of dumb shit. One week draw a lot called massive 80 foot hill of soft dirt. And it changes week to week year to year. Rather than alway same lay out of long straight, whoops, triple, finish line double, rhythm section another rhythm section just in a different order. Now a days getting crazy is let’s put a flat sand section or a over under.

[@stevestiffler9120]

the 250 class factory riders be on four strokes, everyone else not on a factory team should have the option to race a two stroke. It will save lots of money for privateers and bridge the gap between factory bikes and privateer bikes.

[@theread3480]

Everyone can ride a 2 stroke if they want to, nobody does though because they aren’t competitive

[@lokpoop]

The problem is the manufacturers won’t support 2 stroke racing. Their main goal is to sell motorcycles.

[@chriskoch2123]

The SWRVICE dept makes a ton more money on 4stokes..

[@harm97]

All the gates were full in 2 stroke days at MXGP...just look now,it's a disaster. 4 stroke is to expensive on high level and 2 stroke was way better and closer competitive. I must say a 350f is a damn easy bike to ride but more dull,I'll take my 2 strokes👍🏻

If a 450 ,can do what he says in first gear just give them 2 gears save a lot of weight

[@MrKdr500]

Maybe 4 strokes should be a 350 and 200cc instead of 450/250cc. better yet bring back the 2 strokes.

[@cvdavis]

I just bought a 350 because my 450 was just too much power to hang onto the whole race. Thing is my 350 still makes about 50 horsepower so... My 144sx even makes 40 hp. Two strokes are more interesting but they aren’t what’s going to sell. Need 150cc and 200cc 4-strokes. Can’t see people buying those. Idk.

[@emilvedin9417]

@@cvdavis yeah like my tc125 makes about 44-45 hp now it isn’t stock but you get what i mean

[@cvdavis]

@@emilvedin9417 True, but like my 144, your bike likely has a narrow window where it' makes all of it's peak power. You have to keep that thing singing to make it go fast. That's what Ryan V and the other guy was talking about. Requires much more skill and people make many more mistakes that matter with a 2-stroke. Cheaper bikes would increase the sales numbers and grow the buyer group.

[@joshnc101]

@@cvdavis I agree, 2 stroke bikes on modern day SX tracks = more injuries. Plus the 2t bikes were already starting to be phased out when the SX track became what they are now. I got into the sport a few years ago, and it blew my mind how different the SX tracks were back in the 80's. It always looks like it's a matter of just power your way through the obstacles, piles of dirt and a bunch of doubles. Now and the last 20 years, these riders gotta be precise and methodic with throttle control, sheer technique and giant balls to go over big triples and an occasional quad.

[@lukebelay6995]

Imagine a 125 sx and a 250 4 banger class or something

[@RichardsCranium]

Yes

[@gagegowans668]

Bring back 2 strokes

[@jdh023]

Yes.

[@turtlewax653]

It’s more of a track design issue than a speed issue. Not a lot of guys getting hurt on the straights... but the big jumps are what the audience wants. 🤷‍♂️

[@backyardbraaapn1017]

Bullshit. Most injuries are coming on whoops and dragonbacks...BOTH of which are on straight sections

[@arizonaendurotours9699]

the whoops are what take people out

[@joeyriveira6697]

I think as for me & growing up riding 2strokes then transferring to modern 4strokes . The older bikes lacked in amazing suspension so that’s the biggest differences from ok’d skool 2 smokers to modern 4 strokes . Put the 500 2 strokes in a 2020 chassis and put it up against any 450 see how the lap times compare . Then let’s hear that argument about why the ok’d skool 500cc can still hang with the modern 450 . We see many old 500’s playing with the bikes but never with a current chassis that’s the limitations

[@pauldayton5285]

There're a few 500 that were all done up with modern technology like TP's RMZILLA , McGrath & Bowers KX500. Still not as fast as the modern 450's. How & where the 450 makes power is what makes it faster than a 500 two stroke.

[@Two-StrokeLife]

From what I have heard the KYB Gas Charged fork was the best ever, even by today's standards. Only it was crazy expensive, complicated, heavy and hard to maintain. It was never going to be a "production" fork so eventually the design was dropped. I think it more comes down to the track and the rider. Neville Bradshaw seems to be able to compete very well in mx1 on a 22 year old cr500 even winning a few motos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZWrmWNqqpyNj5o

[@dunfielder]

@@pauldayton5285 A 450 is faster because is doesn't spin the hell out of that back wheel like a 2t 500. Not because it is more powerful. The old 500's were detuned almost every year just to be rideable by mortal men. I'm sorry but sit your ass on a KX 500AF for a ride in the dunes then take your 450 for a rip. You'd be wondering where you could buy a 500 2 stroke

[@pauldayton5285]

@@dunfielder I didn't say because 450's are more powerful , I said it's where & how the 450 makes power that makes it faster than a 500. I assume we're talking stock machine's? I've rode a 500 before , I grew up riding 2 strokes a 450 being the first 4 stoke I ever owned. I'm currently riding a 2017 KTM 450sxf . Not only is the KTM faster on the track & trails the top speed on this bike is over 120mph STOCK ! Without being geared a 500 tops out around 90mph. I'm into freeriding , hitting ramps , riding tracks & trails/dunes & the best all around bike for me , IMO , is a 450. One thing we can both agree on is that 500's aren't made for hitting FMX ramps. Unless it's for distance that is......

[@dunfielder]

@@pauldayton5285 no I’m talking a modern frame and suspension kx or Cr 500Af. Plenty of drag race vids between 450’s and 500AF builds. Hint hint the 500 usually wins if there is traction. So the modern 450s are geared higher in the tranny, you can still change the sprocket on a kx500 and get 120mph. It ain’t hard. Dirt bikes are about acceleration not top speed. You are comparing old tech that had an extremely explosive powerband to a thumper that has smooth NO hit power and modern suspension. The thumper is easier to ride fast by far. I’m just saying that if R&D went into 500 2 strokes like it has into making 4 stroke bikes from girly trail bikes into racers, It’d be a fun fast and more than a match for any 450. But it would most definitely be harder to ride !! Yeah 500s for fmx is not going to happen lol. They are Robbie Kinevel type bikes.

[@maxracingteam23]

Villo-Light!!!

[@ronaldtravis970]

Yes ! Modern MX and Sx is out of control. The bikes and the tracks are to mental ! And the price tags are stupid ! Yea 2 strokes still RULE ! LoL 🤘

[@resistthesystem6145]

2 strokes or nothing in my mind!

[@ronaldtravis970]

@@resistthesystem6145 The 4 stroke technology chase has cutdown and out priced grassroots people regular father son weekend warriors. 2 strokes are all you need . No need for a dirt bike to be $9000 that’s ridiculous! RV could smoke anyone on this site on his yz125 and them on their 2021 450. LoL anyone who thinks a modern 450 isn’t to fast for a regular guy is a joker. And they should have never got to go against 250 2 St or the 250s against 125 2st .

[@007Variable]

@@ronaldtravis970 absolutely correct. Id say 80% of people riding 450’s probably cannot even ride them to 50% of their potential and then only the top 10% can get close.it’s like 600cc sport bikes vs 1000cc for the road. You can’t even ride a 600cc bike at 50% of its potential on legal roads (except some cool legendary riding spots) I’m referring to average roads. 1000cc for the road... and Isle of Man is a closed off course.

[@ronaldtravis970]

@@007Variable Yes I worked at a Suzuki, Triumph Dealer for 16 years and yes. Gsxr 1000 is mental also ! LoL . I never would have thought in 80, 90s bike out of crate could be so fast and powerful. Street and Dirt . And the price tags are CRAZY . Technology is amazing , but consumer pays top dollar for it . Makes me like a Yz125 more than ever .

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

@@007Variable I love TT races

[@cocopirata763]

i like 450 i love hp,

[@jmicm13]

What is going on with Jake's skin? He alright? Good show. Thanks Steve.

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

Dermatologist

[@redknightsr69]

Why not just do 250 4 strokes Pro and Pro-Am? Supercross, and even to some extent Motocross, is more about technique than raw power anyway.

[@jimbo4203]

Soon we will all be riding electric bikes, 4 strokes will be just like 2 strokes are now

[@channinggrinage5964]

Cant sell the costly thumper with pros racing two strokes. It's all about a dollar

[@kevinmoore4887]

Arenacross should be 125 2T and 250F. SX needs more turns, fewer jumps.

[@tmkickinnstickin4503]

Great show, Would someone in the know plz explain to me why the Jap manufacturers are so dead set on not having a 350? RV didn't go into detail would someone plz explain what he was alluding too? Lastly would someone explain why the Honda-Yamaha are considered in stock trim such better bikes than the Kawi? I have valved forks, pro circuit rear spring, x trig clamps on my 20 Kawi 450 it handles so much better even when it was bone stock than those bikes in stock form. the 24 Kawi looks to finally be the bike we've all asked for with the better brakes and ability to tune without having the handheld not to mention the fact theyve went to the better down draft intake and center exhaust. I've ridden the 21+ Honda and 22-23 YZ 450's the YZ and Honda seem much less stable and very twitchy especially the newer YZ and honda. The Kawi and Suzuki both imo handle much better in factory form and with the mods I've listed having on my 20 Kawi its a solid platform minus the ridiculous amount of jumpiness in the first 10-20% of throttle on my bike even with the green plug, I hear if I buy that tuning tool I can get a smoother tune. Back to the YZ I've seen the KTM 350 Dyno more than the YZ but that engine is the best of all the 450's because it's useable with great over rev... Obviously if the 22+ KTM 350 (great bike odd feel to me) does not feel stronger than my KX 450 off the bottom to mid but I love the power up top. I would love it if the Jap companies would build a 50-55hp 350.

[@alistairbalistair9596]

go back to 250 two-strokes

[@jamespolucha6911]

Hate to say this but back in the day guys had to learn there bikes with the suspension and power band on the two strokes , the 450s are too much bike for supercross tracks all you need is a 250, I don’t like the super cross racing anyway or the man made jumps on the outdoor tracks, it’s good for the spectators I guess but look at the tracks in Europe man there wide open and tight yet natural, that’s motocross

[@smokey6859]

In what way is a 250f better than a 250R? There is no 250 4 stroke that has as much torque or horsepower as a 250 2 stroke. And, the two strokes are still lighter

[@VeritableSmorgasbord]

No powerband, man!

[@AceOfSpadesPRO01]

450s will always be a lot of power for a sx track because the tracks are built to accommodate 250s It’s up to the professional riders to control that 450 power on a sx track. I’m a c grade weekend rider and never once felt like my 450 was too powerful for me so I can’t see how they can be too powerful for professional riders that ride them every day for an income.

[@nestserau]

Do you ride full throttle through the gears? Or like third gear no clutch everywhere?

[@dennismillus4581]

Neither one if them have ever test rode a CR500AF or KX500AF. Which is what I would guess.

[@rileyring6025]

Bruh you could see some of the disappointment and the annoyed expression on Ryan's face at the end.

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

What was he disappointed and annoyed with?

[@rileyring6025]

I thought it was because from the question and that he did hey asked that multiple times before he said in the interview. And maybe some of the stupid questions that the guy was asking. I don't know maybe not but I noticed it.

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

@@rileyring6025 Interesting

[@rileyring6025]

@@bunnymanmoe8819 How is your new year going?

[@bunnymanmoe8819]

@@rileyring6025 It's going well so far thanks for asking. I refined my workout plan by adding gymnastics to it. I'm running a diet that is 50%liquid 25%raw 25%solid food Everything is vegan. How your new year going? Did you make any resolutions?

[@MrKdr500]

"NO POWERBAND MAN"? WTF? all engines have a powerband.....Lol

[@ronaldtravis970]

It’s like when guys think a hole shot is doing burn outs LoL

[@fsubulldog03]

I'm pretty sure he meant you don't have to deal with the powerband blast you can get from a smoker

[@black07rr]

@@fsubulldog03 that’s exactly what he meant...and people that don’t know that have never ripped on a 2 stroke

[@ronaldtravis970]

@@fsubulldog03 Yeah that’s how I took it . He definitely knows what he’s talking bout, LoL , nothing like riding a 2stroke🤘

[@Two-StrokeLife]

All engines have power curves but only two strokes have a distinct "powerband". Four strokes have a very linear power curve making power over a broad rpm range with a very flat torque curve. Two strokes have a distinct power and torque "peak" a characteristic that has to do with their design. They make the same power over half the the rpm range called the "powerband". Its a small rpm band that you have to keep the engine within or it falls on its face. You can't lug it or rev it past this point like a four stroke can. Take the 21' KX250 from the time it makes 10 hp until it makes peak hp it covers approx 10k rpm. A YZ250 two stroke covers the same 10hp to peak hp in 4k to 5K rpm depending on the pipe. Here are two dyno runs (on the same dyno) of a beta 250 2t vs a kx250 4t fast forward to the last pulls to see the charts kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4CppqWOgdZnntE kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2arfpynp7eCnas

[@klappy803]

Give em all the same bike and let the riders talent do the talking. It will never happen 'cause you would get no factory support but the racing would be great.

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Go NASCAR using restricter plates.

[@Jcsundeen90]

BrInG bAcK tWo StRoKeS! Better idea: Stop watching if you dont like it the way it is. Two strokes fucking blow for SX and MX. They have their place off road now days where their weight and power delivery actually become an advantage.

[@LUZ-zv6pq]

Are modern bikes today too fast? Erm... no. They're slower, heavier, more expensive and more unreliable than 90's bikes, even some 80's bikes. How come a 20+ year old 2 stroke can still hang with the best of em today even on an out dated chassis with rubbish suspension and brakes.. bet half the lads these days wouldn't dare pin an old 500. 2 strokes were raw, and they took raw talent to get the most out of them.

[@nvmcrider8475]

450’s are too much for indoors. Supercross should be a stock 250f East/West class and a 250f modified class instead of a 450 class. The 450’s should be for mx only. The fastest lap times of the 450’s are only a second or 2 faster than the 250’s, proving that all of that extra power isn’t translating into better racing.

[@gorgemetz8062]

500cc 2 stroke 250 4 stroke problem solved

[@joeykim3938]

No such thing as too fast

[@waynegacyii9010]

Give me 2 strokes. Or give me the tv remote. Brrapp crap

[@mrabrasive51]

200 4 stroke..300 4 stroke class..

[@noname-jr1vo]

If you replace the words "too fast" with "Gay" it would be more spot on with what's happening today.

[@arizonaendurotours9699]

lol

[@TKRACING828]

Are they to fast no no no they are to slow

[@michaelnesbitt4260]

The bikes can go 500 mph but it’s the rider that ultimately determines how fast you can go

[@daltonlemmons7693]

That’s unrealistic as hell no. They can only go up to 70 wth

[@Do.Christ]

If you want to win you go as fast as the bike can go..

[@moto_leprechaun]

Badass interview liked and subbed 👍🏻 if you wanna see why the bikes are too fast and the terrain too gnarly ? Check my latest video you will not be disappointed

[@moto_leprechaun]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2m3fJxondaBodU

[@deangilbert8201]

A modern 450 is no faster than a 2 stroke 250. Bring back 500 two strokes!!!!!!

[@WaterandGround]

Wrong

[@b-rad1786]

@@WaterandGround Maybe not so much now but the 250 four stroke replaced the 125 two stroke and the 450 replaced the 250. Most people commenting can't even ride these bikes close to there potential anyway lol

[@mattjones4581]

Too slow? Do they sit down to pee now too?