Ryan Villopoto & Jake Weimer - same bike / trainer - very different results - Aldon Baker explains

[@craigmayhan4009]

I’ve been watching the GYPSY Tales clips on KZbin for a few months now. I don’t know this guys name or his background but he does some of the best interviews in the business and asks without a doubt some of the best questions.... questions that I want to know myself. He asks questions that humanizes the riders. I feel like I know the person, not the rider, after his interviews. Nice job mate.

[@seanwahl1000]

I think that it's a matter of the same program is not going to work for everyone. JS7 is a perfect example of that.

[@MikeKGullion]

It's always difficult to compare two different riders, as they've had a life of different experiences, different genetics, etc. What's perhaps a more important question is whether Jake Weimer's results/lap times improved after training with Aldon Baker. It's better to measure one's performance against their self than it is a completely different rider.

[@KG-yc6cl]

I disagree. Racing is inherently a comparison of a rider vs other riders. That's the definition and purpose. I agree with you in life but they're talking about racing and racing results. The only thing that matters is how you do vs others.

[@MikeKGullion]

​@@KG-yc6cl I didn't intend to use "comparison" in that context, as racing, along with every other sport, is no doubt a comparison. However, I can see how my comment was vague. The host asked Aldon Baker that when all things are equal, such as the training program and the bike, why does one rider excel more than another? Is it their mind? Is it genes? My point is that it's difficult, if not impossible, to compare riders in that regard, as there's just too many factors that come into play, whether on a biological or environmental level. For example, hypothesizing about the genetics, synaptic connections, diet during childhood development, environmental surroundings, life experiences, parental upbringing, etc. of two different riders in an attempt to explain why one is faster than the other is scientifically impossible. Such questions are beyond our current understanding, merely because they're too complicated. Sure, we could hypothesize whether the nutrients in the amniotic fluid during embryonic development was better for Ryan Villopoto's synaptogenesis as compared to Jake Weimer's. However, no one will ever know, as there's no evidence to analyze. Therefore, such hypothesizing doesn't hold any explanatory value. Only things that we can gather evidence on holds explanatory value, such as how young a rider started racing, for example, instead of wondering about their connectome. Similarly, asking why one rider responds better to Aldon's training program than another rider is also the wrong question to ask, in my opinion. After gathering what little molecular data one can get, such as through blood tests, as well as other physiological data, then training programs have to be customized to each individual rider. Just using one training program template for every single rider will not yield the best overall results, collectively speaking. In that regard, comparing why one rider responds better to one specific training program is not only difficult/impossible to answer, but the wrong question to begin with since it should be about individual customization. One revolution in sports physiology over the last 25 years is the customization of a training program to a specific athlete based on their physiological data.

[@User37621]

@@MikeKGullion well said.

[@peytongundred4570]

@@KG-yc6cl I understand where you're coming from but Mike is correct also. These two guys may have almost the same exact equipment and training program but they are still two different people with different physical capabilities. I would say Aldon's program is still successful if Jakes own lap times improved after training with him for a period of time. You see what I'm saying? Jake and RV are two completely different people with different levels of ability, confidence, competitiveness, and so on. Racing is an individual sport, therefore if Weimer was faster after running his program than he was before then it was successful.

[@zacharygrosser4115]

Was hoping to see more of this interview. 💪🏻

[@GYPSYTALES]

Got more dropping this week and the full audio is on itunes legend!

[@djmiller5563]

This makes total sense if you listen to all the comments about how hard RV's Dad was on him growing up...

[@waynegarfield6607]

I think part of the winning combination is that mental toughness and the ability to believe in yourself and have confidence. If throughout life you have not only had confidence in yourself but have a circle of family and friends who strengthen that confidence by providing constant positive feedback and encouragement. If you are never told you are good or worse , been told you stink...it takes a lot more inner strength to get beyond it. If you absolutely are sure you can hit that quad...chances are you will....however if there is doubt....and you focus too much on that doubt...one you never try the quad or worse.. you crash hard. JmO

[@ave0828]

Villopoto had the mindset of a winner. Every. Single. Race. Same reason why Dungey was dominant and you see riders like Cooper Webb starting to fit that role right now. Cooper and Marv are in the same situation. Marv will actually do better then Cooper most of the time during training and riding with Aldon.. But Cooper is just a determined winner when it comes to race night.

[@Rtate004]

Great interview, love hearing his perspective on things.

[@johncast9565]

At 13 seconds watch Aldon's throat from that loaded question. Says it all.

[@shooter7a]

Yeah...because it is a moronic question. RV was faster...because...HE COULD GO FASTER and not crash. As much as Aldon wants to think it is fitness...there is no way having the best trainer will matter if you are a slow rider! I guarantee if you take all the "C" riders in the US...and find the one who is the BEST pure athlete....he is likely as good or better a pure athlete that the fastest pros (Tomac, etc). But just being a pure athlete does not make you a fast rider. SKILLS!

[@garrett3234]

did you ask Aldon about James stewart in the interview cause didnt he train him?

[@sexatica]

He did but not much. Its about a 40min interview

[@shooter7a]

JS was not a very good athlete. His prior trainer (pre Aldon) has spoken about it numerous times. JS's benchmark physio test numbers were BAD.

[@bunnyman6321]

@@shooter7a A bad athlete with all them Championships and money while you have nothing 😂😂😂

[@machina_aeterna]

And so it is for life in general. The thumbnail should say GRIT, not CONFIDENCE.

[@Willis476]

Isn't there some controversy with Aldon and performance enhancing products??

[@loneventhorizon]

I think RV could just ride on the edge better. He was constantly about to loose it, but he could hold it together.

[@shooter7a]

EXACTLY. Physical ability does not matter over the course of one lap (pure speed). Anyone with the skills can put down one fast lap..especially in SX. If it were a matter of RV just being a better athlete, then you would have seen Jake qualifying close to him...but getting waxed over longer sessions like in the race. But Jake was just not nearly as fast. His qual times and fast laps were way off RV. Look at Jakes best year...2012 in SX. Look at his qual and fast lap times vs RV. RV was 0.5 to 2.0 s faster at best. He was just FASTER. And it was not because he was a "better athlete"

[@DdDten]

Same bike - same trainer - different people=Different results dude

[@charlieszablewski830]

Cognetive empathy some are born with it

[@CaddyJim]

Remember *Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto & Dungy* all won championships before going to *Baker*

[@crnkin2]

Kinda like AC vs Webb. I'm such a big AC fan but Webb just has something mongrel that Adam doesn't.

[@marcusbevz6500]

Don’t forget Webb’s first two years on the 450 were way worse than adams

[@GYPSYTALES]

And Coop also hasn't had 2 shoulder reco's

[@crnkin2]

@@marcusbevz6500 fair

[@crnkin2]

@@GYPSYTALESvery true. Adam hasn't been forced to ride a yzf450 either haha.

[@Angrylittleboys]

Coop hasn't had 2 shoulder recos because he understands his not a great rider when it comes to the whoops so he doesn't over ride then. Adam however.......he has had a while career of being told he is the messiah and unfortunately over rides the bike to stay with the competition. Unfortunately for Adam is that being tall hasn't helped him in the whoops, unlike what everyone has told him.

[@KG-yc6cl]

Dead on by Aldon

[@superdave4725]

Simlpe...desire engrained to thier core... An red hair...u ever fight a red head...

[@kungfu2toe]

Who the hell is Jake winemore?

[@danielmxridermontanaro3069]

Simply... RV was a beast !!!

[@dealspeed6756]

To me as a red head and growing up with red hair, you're constantly facing adversity, always being shit on and picked on and we red heads don't just allow ourselves to be beat down and give up, if we get beat down we get back up screaming and fighting and clawing are way back to our feet, all the bullshit we deal with growing up shapes us in to fighters. 2 of the best MX riders to ever grace this sport are redheads, RV and RC that is no accident

[@bunnyman6321]

People dye their hair red cos it looks cool; nobody is picking on people for red hair.

[@MrPagargar1]

We all know they were really talking about why goku will always have that slight edge over vegeta😂🤣😂🤣jk love your show and the interviews👍👍

[@jasonwest2064]

It comes down to what's between the ears. And how bad do you want it

[@Hardfacts1]

Basically daddy’s money can’t buy speed

[@robinjames590]

One word......Tenacity. Not everyone has it

[@andrewford80]

Yeah, you can see it in the race who races with that extra intensity. Push it that much closer to the limit.,

[@mxdocumentarytvmxdocumenta2221]

Jake was very good vilopoto was great

[@SpinBikerRepair]

Johnny O'Mara and I were classmates from elementary school to high school. Through Years of BMX and Moto what I witnessed with Johnny;. 1. He had a rare level of skill on the bike. He could make the bike dance and do stuff most people could not do. Jake cannot do what Ryan villopoto can do on a motorcycle. 2. O'Mara had a fire off the bike and on the bike. Ryan Villopoto has what Johnny has; Elite skills on the bike and fire inside the rider - Jake is mediocre compared to Ryan on and off the bike.

[@SpinBikerRepair]

Additionally; O'Mara's dad was emotionally and physically demanding on Johnny. Same with Ryan.

[@kungfu2toe]

Red headed step child!

[@ssrider7]

Phisicaly they not similar,Villopoto is more stocky and weimer is thin as Hell.

[@twistedjigco.548]

It’s like an addict. If they could put all there energy and hyper focus on getting that one thing, they will get it no matter what. I do it with certain things it’s nuts.

[@hencetirta7633]

becAuse . Rv . FigHter . like dungey Rc .rEED james . They all fast skill stamina thecnique . and stroNg .every lap ..

[@bunnyman6321]

Yup

[@kungfu2toe]

J-law invented the scrub bubba!

[@user-wk9bu6xm7y]

Of course different results different ppl lol genetics ex one could have faster reflexes or better mental clarity

[@shooter7a]

Uh.....SKILLS! RV had better skills. He had a better feel for the limit of the tires. He could go around corners faster. Better throttle control. Better bike control. Look...Stew was not a very good athlete at all. His physio test numbers were MEDIOCRE. He was not a great athlete. His skills were off the charts. He had a way to ride the bike that did not require the same level of exertion as say RC...who was a bulldog. So this whole question putting it down to just physical ability difference between RV and Jake is stupid. RV was a better RIDER. Stupid line of questioning.

[@xxTyphoid]

GG

[@Lucafilmco]

first

[@GYPSYTALES]

get that bread!