Are Byzantine Catholics "Orthodox" or "Catholic"? (Searchers of the Lost ep 1)

[@Wilditellya1]

Latin Catholic here, who’s attended Byzantine rite parishes on and off for a little over a decade. Fantastic stuff, Fr. Nathan & co.! As someone who sometimes worries over the future growth and continuation of Eastern Catholicism in the western world, I’m so thankful (and hopeful!) for the internet, podcasts, and other media mediums that help get out the word regarding the Eastern Catholic world!

[@pablososa9444]

I long for the day when all Apostolic Churches will worship together. All pf us worship God in the Eucharist. This should be enough to put all other differences aside. Indeed, Christ makes us holy by partaking the body and blood of Christ. We are all tbe body of Christ.

[@Mateusofchrist]

As do I. Amen☦️

[@santosvalle9690]

El protestantismo no lo hace

[@seanfrancis2]

I am a Latin Catholic that attends the Tridentine Mass with the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. I am blessed to have two Byzantine parishes in the same neighborhood as my parish. There is even a Maronite parish and a Syro Malabar Catholic parish not far either. Now I have a new podcast to listen to.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Yes, it seems we are finding solidarity together in these days and the broad tradition of the ancient faith is our mutual benefit.

[@seanfrancis2]

@SearchersoftheLost I'm just hoping for a show with priests, deacons, or even bishops from all of the Rites of the Church, including both the Novus Ordo and the Tridentine Latins. It would be a fun time to see the different charisms.

[@michaelschmidt7214]

Are you in Minneapolis? That's sounds alot like where my byzantine parish is. It's a ruthenian church with a fssp, Ukranian and maronite church near me.

[@seanfrancis2]

@michaelschmidt7214 yessir. I go to the FSSP parish.

[@michaelschmidt7214]

@seanfrancis2 no way! You go to all saints? I go to St John The Baptist byzantine

[@dylanschultz-nelson6812]

One of my bible study friends is a Byzantine Catholic. Ive never met young men that live out thier faith more truthfully than byzantine catholics. May we all stay in communion, let it be the will of God.

[@OldManOfTheSee]

Enjoyed the podcast...i was raised Roman Catholic and then went to Lutheran, Episcopal, and Baptist parishes to try and search for the "right path" .... What i found most enlightening was your statement; "Where you're at grow .. Grow in Christ". I think many people search for what looks or feels like the right thing and spend more time going thru the pros and cons and do exhaustive research, when the time is better spent following Jesus, and growing in the spirit and i respect that you put it that way. Because at the end of the day it's about knowing Jesus and building our relationship with him, it's not about the politics that divide everyone. On a side note my aunt went Byzantine and I've recently felt a strong pull towards the Big "O" and having listened to your point of view I now think any and all choices in the catholic apostolic church are fine choices. Of course there are nuances, but it's better to make a decision than to sit in the side waiting to make the right decision and missing out on the love of Jesus in the meantime. God bless y'all.

[@TinaICXCNIKA]

I thoroughly enjoyed this (including the little humorous sound effect interjections)! Would love to see Closed Captioning available; not only for the hearing impaired but for those who are listening, hearing so many new things and wanting to make sure they've written them down correctly in their notes. 😉 May the Lord continue to bless these podcast's to HIS Glory!

[@CatholicByzantineEvangelist]

Glory to Jesus Christ! Excellent video Father!

[@michaelbumbarger3112]

Glory to Jesus Christ! Thank Y'all for good converstaion. Looking forward to your next episode. God grant you many years!

[@robertweidner2480]

This video made me a subscriber.

[@luisrios3446]

I love my Byzantine Catholic Brothers!✝️❤️☦️🇻🇦I personally attend to a Melkite Catholic Church whenever I can.

[@dmcccxxv]

Why did you take down the other video???

[@SearchersoftheLost]

It was damaged. It is back up

[@Salvdrr]

woah father Nathan I will be attending liturgy at our lady of wisdom soon I didn't know there was a eastern catholic parish near me. Im trying to convert soon

[@SearchersoftheLost]

sure thing, you can email me at [e-mail] if you want to chat

[@TinaICXCNIKA]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

[@KnoxEmDown]

Saint Alexis of Wilkes-Barre, pray to God for us!

[@TsarOrthodoxBro_II]

Are you Catholic or Orthodox?

[@EasternChristian1988]

I love St Alexis Toth

[@pedrorodriguez464]

The book: "We Are All Schismatics" by Elias Zoghby (1996)

[@gregorypizarro9403]

Yes, we are to follow our bishops but we also NEED to be in communion with Bishop of Rome.

[@achilles4242]

Excited to see where this podcast goes, thank you Father. I have a question for you: Do you think there should be more catechetical instruction at the lay level with respect to canon law and its proper interpretation given the rise of lay engagement with these topics since the inception of the internet? My reasoning is this: Reading the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, or the 1983 Code of Canon Law for the Latin rite, these are clearly replete with specific legalistic language and qualifiers which are missed when unproperly catechized laypeople discuss these issues. I'm thinking with respect to the online apologetics sphere. For instance, you see Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox laity trying to interpret Pastor Aeternus, or Lumen Gentium, and the accompanying codes of canon law with respect to these constitutions, but so much is missed in their interpretation. Qualifiers like proper, ordinary, immediate, supreme, etc. are specifically de-contextualized in the way they are constructed, meaning they have specific meanings irrespective of the context; yet, we have so many laypersons debating these issues. What do you think?

[@SearchersoftheLost]

It is hard for me to say. This is my first podcast, and I have not seen any posts addressing the substance of my argument, so it's hard to tell how much people really want to investigate verse justify one opinion, so as to feel comfortable. I hope this will change. To your question: On the one hand, knowing these terms will help the conversation move in an educated direction, so those who want to investigate need to know these terms. On the other hand, I really just wish we could live an undistracted orthodox life of prayer and all the politics are taking away from this. Martha vs, Mary kind of thing. So, I'm a little conflicted in my heart.

[@achilles4242]

​@@SearchersoftheLost Thank you for your response! I echo your sentiments, Fr. It is good for us laity to know these things, yet, ultimately, we are to be sheep to our shepherds, and so in some sense I think these issues are better left to the clergy as they are the ones with the actual power to do something as far as clarifying these issues and/or seeking the union of the Churches.

[@buntbar2438]

Great podcast. ❤

[@evan_raugust]

Father Nathan is such a cool priest 😎

[@EasternPapist]

Great podcast!

[@Nerdsley]

I think Blessed Theodore Romzha would say we are Catholic, he died preserving our Ruthenian tradition as Catholic when he could have easily said he was orthodox and not been killed.

[@mmnaddaf122193]

I am not sure he is dismissing St. Theodore's confession but more so what Orthodox and Catholic historically meant and with that understanding movement toward reunion or better understanding of Eastern Catholicism today

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Hey Willy, please listen to the podcast again. There are some things you are missing. I hope you are well in New Mexico. God's blessings!

[@dmcccxxv]

ByzCath considering making the switch to Orthodoxy. Thank for addressing this important question, as I continue my discernment.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Your salvation is what matters most in every decision.

[@EasternChristian1988]

@@SearchersoftheLost Can you do a video on how Rome teaches it is apostasy for a Catholic to become Orthodox and how, in their view, we cannot be saved if we do so (while hypocritically believing that the Orthodox are true Churches with a valid priesthood, seven valid sacraments, etc)? There is so much cognitive dissonance we Eastern Catholics must live with to justify our ongoing communion with Rome and her many changes and heretical innovations that I find it difficult to stay in the Ruthenian Church rather than just become Orthodox.

[@dmcccxxv]

​@@SearchersoftheLostBased! The sacraments and repentance are key no matter what. The issue of which church I will be spiritually taken care of is the one that needs to be answered.

[@CCS-EO]

32:40 if he is truly Orthodox, he shouldn’t be communing at a Byzantine Catholic Church. That would affirm a unity that does not exist.

[@StanleyPinchak]

Read the Canon Law 814SS3 on the subject. EO are welcome to receive at Catholic Church if they do so "on their own accord". The EO faithful are typically if not universally forbidden from doing so by their bishops. On the other hand, Eastern Catholics may fall under the provision of 814SS2 of benefitting from a "true spiritual advantage" by participating in EO Divine Liturgy if there is no Eastern Catholic one available nearby. Whether the EO priest will permit this mostly depends on whether they are a convert orthobro or cradle EO, with the latter being much more understanding of the pastoral need and shared cultural and liturgical ties between the Uniates and the EO.

[@KnoxEmDown]

@@StanleyPinchak No EO priest would prevent someone from attending Divine Liturgy, though they'd certainly forbid access to the Eucharist when necessary. A friend of mine, a cradle Orthodox deacon, has personally ruffled uniate feathers by refusing them Communion. So, your "orthobro" boogieman falls flat. Sharing the chalice requires unity of the faith, not some hokey kumbaya "let's ignore all the incredibly important things we disagree on and pretend we're the same" psuedo-unity that the Vatican pushes so hard for.

[@tadhg841]

Looking forward to following these conversations. I greatly appreciate your focus on charity.. this is greatly lacking in these discussions. For what it’s worth, I don’t know that created grace (a realized potentiality within the creature) is so easily reconciled with participation in the energies of God.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

I can eventually make an episode of that. I think it is not so hard

[@tadhg841]

@ The Catholic concern with the Orthodox lack of created grace, as I’m sure you know, is with the lack of actualization (from the Divine Agent) of the obediential potency of the creature. So that participation in the energies of God seems to them to be God replacing something in them rather than educing (that potency).. eg. the potency of a stained glass window to illuminate when hit with light. Orthodox will insist that our experience of God is unmediated, and NOT an effect in the soul. I’d love to hear a view that reconciles these!

[@SearchersoftheLost]

@@tadhg841 Thank you, I will certainly consider taking up this topic in time. As a priest, I am pretty busy, but I by God's grace I will get around to it. St. Gregory Palamas pray for us!

[@robertopacheco2997]

I find myself in a very liminal worship space. After spending most of my adult life as an atheist, I returned to the faith (I received all my sacraments of initiation in the Catholic Church) as an Evangelical Protestant (i.e., Restorationist, "Plymouth Brethren," think John Nelson Darby and the "secret rapture"). I even formally renounced by letter to the archdioceses my baptismal charism! I still love much about "evangelicalism" (however defined!). In fact, I'm wont to say that I'm spiritually "traditional," non-Charismatic (e.g., Pentecostal), low-church evangelical Protestant; I love the low-key and solemn worship in these assemblies and the communal or collective singing of those great Protestant hymns of the 16th-19th centuries (think Isaac Watts). Now, my current ecclesiology is growing more "Romanish" (as my latter-day Evangelicals like to say); however, experience has taught me that if the buck doesn't stop somewhere with someone, it stops nowhere with no one, and my own study of church history has convicted me that to be "catholic" and "orthodox" has always entailed fellowship with the Roman patriarch (regardless of how one understands his jurisdiction!). My theology, however, is very eastern; for example, I much prefer "Christus Victor" and theosis over western soteriological doctrines of atonement (especially the heretical idea of penal substitutionary atonement!). Sorry for the rambling!

[@DasBeard]

I’ve been wanting to visit an Eastern Catholic Church. The closest one is an hour away but I think I would love the Eastern liturgy.

[@Kai_Stwosz]

I'm glad the algorithm threw your podcast my way. I am formerly "Orthodox" who discerned Catholicism but still feel more at home liturgically with the East. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Thank you, Glory to God!

[@cindysmith9087]

Looking forward to the next episode. I am trying to learn from Byzantine Catholics because I think they have a better understanding of history and can see both sides on a viewpoint. I want to know how they feel about the Oriental Orthodox. I appreciate how the Roman Catholics are making amends and making an effort to bring the Church back into one communion again. Oneness and diversity at the same time. I think that what would solve a lot of problems would be for the Roman Church to standardize Baptism and the Eucharist to 3 Full Immersions followed by Chrismation and the Holy Communion for all entering the church and for infants. Then the EO might recognize the Latins. I have been in the EO Church for 2 years, but feel like a Byzantine Catholic in my heart.

[@ultimum_spes7285]

Loved the video! For reading the Church Fathers, which writings would you recommend as an introduction to the Eastern Fathers? I've heard of a couple fathers: St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. John Damascene. God Bless+

[@SearchersoftheLost]

It really depends on what you are searching for. The fathers vary in interest: prayer life, exegesis, systematics, etc.

[@ultimum_spes7285]

@SearchersoftheLost I'm interested in the prayer life, exegesis, and typology. My friend told me the eastern catholics emphasize on the mystery and the resurrection of Christ in their theology vs the Roman catholics emphasize on the passion and suffering of Christ.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

@@ultimum_spes7285 a good 6th century text to the spiritual life, and a pretty easy read is Dorotheous of Gaza www.amazon.com/Discourses-Sayings-Cistercian-Studies-Dorotheos/dp/0879079339/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2PNB73ADJVTU3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.h30lkKz9lnYR-UGF5qIkKPtC0xUBMnNAMq94YviYIIfpa8uMVPzKPOpPuZ3OwkruAqWape0CWZb3ZFZU8NBt_G9jiP_xI16znxSMxLSGvkUrXJK23l6uL9KGxvXY1P4B1SmwtTsgeCb_MxLwo130aiR-fPCRtHJQWlMYJu6_G-4W79xq2czszygdN3kUGx0Jb8fvo1mHjzYMzhD3mQnlIw.yL6a3NTzF7385Jj8lZ-lQQAg109kpnt7BWK8Dny6I_g&dib_tag=se&keywords=dorotheos+of+gaza&qid=1733947860&s=books&sprefix=dorotheois+of+gaza+%2Cstripbooks%2C184&sr=1-1

[@SearchersoftheLost]

@@ultimum_spes7285 Sorry, I thought I responded to you. I most have commented on the wrong post. All of the Fathers recommended to you are excellent. I might recommend you start a little more in the spiritual tradition. www.amazon.com/s?k=dorotheos+of+gaza+discourses+and+sayings&crid=3UE11KFAHKJ62&sprefix=dorotheos+of+%2Caps%2C247&ref=nb_sb_ss_fb_1_13_ts-doa-p

[@ultimum_spes7285]

Thank you! God Bless+

[@AnthonySchreuders]

Elder Ephraim icon spotted?

[@dmcccxxv]

Based. Love his book

[@AnthonySchreuders]

@@dmcccxxv A saint just waiting to be canonized

[@radepiljov7969]

I am serbian orthodox christian , and we know very well how so called byzanitne chatolic church set up in the past , it was violent political thing CC and some brutal catholic rulers. We moore respect real latin catholic then you , and that will never change. Tell me please how can be catholic without latin fillouque?? , and how can you be ortohdox liturgicly and theologicly but in the same time in union with Pope and Rome??

[@SearchersoftheLost]

"We moore respect real latin catholic then you , and that will never change." If this will never change then why would I respond, brother? What is needed is not a debate, but a love for the world, especially those who love the name of Christ.

[@vieersfan]

I’m Polish National Catholic and see sooooooo many similarities to the Eastern Catholics

[@tedperkoski7534]

You were in negotiations with the Orthodox Church but it did not bear fruit.

[@vieersfan]

@ we are still, relations like these take time, but the big and really only issue is that we have married bishops. Look up Road To Unity, it’s a joint document us and the Orthodox put out together!

[@Rome_77]

Once you recognize the differences between the Latin and Eastern Churches when it comes to overall size and presence it’s really not difficult to see how the Latin Church, being the largest and most widespread body of Christians centered in the modern secular west, felt it was necessary to put away its old liturgy and implement reform. Of course, looking back, it has caused a bigger mess. But the Eastern Churches were in no place and/or felt no pressure to “update” partly because they did not share our situation.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Interesting reply, I had not considered this point.

[@UnOrthodox_Christian]

Grew up Latin Catholic and I still am. I really want to become Byzantine Catholic

[@Robert-r4s4c]

Christians of the Orthodox Churches are separated from the Catholic Church (schism), yet are in an imperfect but deep communion with the Catholic Church by reason of our common Baptism, the profession of the Creed, and the possession of true sacraments by reason of the apostolic succession of their priesthood.

[@albertaowusu3536]

Like all protestants, they are part of the uviversal church.

[@RayWihak-nw3sv]

Ukrainian Catholic here. I see us as a bridge between Roman Catholics and orthodox. Our liturgy is orthodox but our leader is pope Francis.

[@albertaowusu3536]

I attend Ukrainian Catholic Church sometimes.when I'm close to one.😊

[@tedperkoski7534]

Thank you that you are yourselves!!!

[@EasternChristian1988]

The Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church did indeed have a rather large revision similar to the Novus Ordo. We STILL use gender neutral language in our creed, have a reduced liturgy (whole prayers and sections that were cut out), still commemorate the pope (an error added in at the false synod of Zamosc that was NEVER binding on the Ruthenian Church), etc. We are a latinized mess. Our union with Rome has produced only rotten fruit. Lord help us for our mistake in leaving Holy Orthodoxy for Catholicism.

[@dmcccxxv]

Gender neutral creed?

[@EasternChristian1988]

@@dmcccxxv Yes the Ruthenian Church uses gender neutral language in the creed. They changed that deliberately to be gender inclusive.

[@michelleg7]

It will always be asked because even a lot of Roman Catholics are not even aware of Eastern Catholics and even some Greek Orthodox get nasty about Eastern Catholics being sell outs to Rome as they refer to it 🤨 Anglican/Episcopalian Church remember spinned off from the Roman Catholic church so in a lot of ways Catholicism does in many ways still influence a great deal of their belief and customs.

[@jeromevillanueva2207]

First time seeing this podcast. This has the feel of the Catholic Talk Show... But Eastern Catholic.

[@Of_the_Sea_333]

As someone currently researching Eastern Orthodoxy and Byzantine Catholicism, could anyone explain whether there are any differences between the two in their understanding of God's essence and energies?

[@SS-qo3nt]

I grew up during Vatican 2 and there was no such talk of anything like that on the RC side. It was all about who you were going to lean towards: the Blue Army, The Carmelites, the Dominicans, the Jesuits, Passionists.....I later transitioned to Byzantine which my family hated me for doing and there was no talk about essence or energies either just all about how to do a rosary and a Jesus prayer rope at the same time and how wonderful John Paul 2was, while Byzantines bemoaned on a weekly basis that they felt like second class citizens. After I became Orthodox and married my priest husband is when Rome started to gradually copycat more of how the Orthodox spoke and taught as if it was "always theirs to begin with" . Which it wasn't. After my husband's death I thoughtfully prepared to become Oriental Orthodox and then the myriad of young "orthobros" decided to take up apologetics without other vocations involved, until KZbin became the swampy mess it is today. If I were you I wouldn't crowd source for this answer at all. I would call email or drop by a Seminary or contact the author of a book directly for the answers you want.

[@michelleg7]

The nicene creed for one is it is but the filioque is where it is accepted by the catholics or at least the understanding of it but the greek orthodox do not accept the filioque because they say it changes the original creed so this is where it gets sticky. The greek orthodox do not accept the belief in papal authority or the belief the pope is infallible but people really have a misunderstanding about papal infallibility, I would say read about it as its in canon law #749. The Greek Orthodox never deny that Rome's patriarch is the first patriarch of the original 5 church patriarchs if I remember correctly. Catholics are catholics no matter what catholic church you go to in the world you are at home there and are not denied services. There are other othodox churches that are not involved with the Greek Orthodox Church and have their or Patriarchs. Byzantine Catholics are identical in the way they resume their liturgy and so on as would the Greek Orthodox but there are a only slight differences not much. Catholics see the catholic church as one organism while that is not the case for the orthodox.

[@michelleg7]

Also read on the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches and their beliefs and see about their teachings.

[@Of_the_Sea_333]

@@michelleg7, thank you for taking the time and effort to respond. However, I specifically asked about potential differences between Eastern Orthodoxy and Byzantine Catholicism in their understanding of God's energies and essence.

[@RJDJ__]

@Of_the_Sea_333 EED cannot be compromised, as the EOs believe, with BC. The reason is that ADS is dogmatic, which is 100% contradictory to EED. Because ADS confesses that God is simple (in that he is not made up of parts), Eastern Catholics must still hold 100% Catholic beliefs.

[@fr.maximosdavies3913]

Excellent, Fr. Nathan! Especially appreciated your putting into words the discomfort I've always felt with the label "Orthodox in communion with Rome."

[@ThreeUsee1]

Is that Saint Cosmos of Atolia next to him?

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Elder Ephrem of Arizona

[@Kai_Stwosz]

​@@SearchersoftheLostI thought so. I thought that was an interesting addition.

[@dmcccxxv]

​@@SearchersoftheLostBased

[@MrAloha]

Father Nate is the coolest priest I know. 💪😁🌴🤙

[@Saul-StPaul]

Latin orthodox catholic sounds like a great way to go. Kind of sounds weird because we are losing the Latin language and the mass. I wonder if we should just be Roman orthodox catholic

[@triplea6174]

Where is this priest residing ? As he looks alot like the priest at a eastern catholic church out here in vegas

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Ya, that's me brother.

[@triplea6174]

@@SearchersoftheLost o wow coincidence I think not ! haha Been meaning to visit the parish sometime. We had some parishioners from your parish I believe visiting our Orthodox Church months back. Cool peeps

[@SearchersoftheLost]

@@triplea6174 Glory to God!

[@patitsas5bros]

Would love to talk about orthodox Christian fasting sometime, Dr Pete with the Athos diet

[@mememe1468]

Honestly, american byzantines make me cringe and have really made me drag my feet when It comes to joining them. Which I wanted to since my reversion back to catholicism. They're cringe in this way: they'll either ape all kinds of "orthodox" theology and orthopraxy just so they can satisfy that itch to be unique or they think "orthodox" and byzantine are synonymous. They got the Saint paisius icons even though the man verbally condemned the Catholic Church multiple times in our day and age. They'll call gregory palamas a great Saint and use him like st. Thomas aquinas for their thinking. Like, why do byzantine catholics think the state approved churches of eastern Europe are THE "orthodox" What about the old believers? What about the free orthodox churches? What about the dozen other byzantine and Apostolic groups essentially hiding over there? Literally, why do so many American byzantines unashamedly accept the nikonian reforms without thinking or why do they think 14 out of the 21 ecumenical councils are not accepted by their churches? You do realize the 7 ecumenical councils are the only councils just commemorated on the calendar, and not just the only accepted, right? What hurts the most is that the byzantines don't want to be their own thing, different from the latin west but also different from the eastern schismatics, and don't realize the number of unique traditions enfolded into their parishes. Byzantines, you are literally the true version. And yet the pope himself calls the second lung a group not in communion. You're supposed to be the second lung! Stop trying to be like them

[@robertopacheco2997]

Why the Protestant epistemology of "either-or" thinking? Why not the more ancient way of thinking in "both-and" terms?! Click bait perchance?

[@USDebtCrisis]

Being in the Catholic church is the most orthodox you can be.

[@albertaowusu3536]

Yeah, but Orthodoxy is protestantism; and while the Catholic Church is orthodox, the Orthodox Church is not catholic geographical Orthodoxy is regional and fighting among themselves. I don't understand why Westerners want to be Eastern Catholics.😊💒🇻🇦

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Can you please show one document in all of Catholic history that refers to Orthodox as Protestant? Brother, that is just harsh and not based in history.

[@albertaowusu3536]

The Universal Church allows cultural differences that's why we have 24 different Rites. People should stick to their own culture. You confuse yourself by choosing one over the other. Don't call yourselves byzantine if you are american. 😊🇻🇦

[@Arcadian1821]

I spent the first twenty two years of my life as a Roman Catholic. I converted to Eastern Orthodoy at twenty two. I am a Massachusetts University graduate with degree in history and minor in sociology.I know my history. If you are under the papacy, you are NOT Orthodox Christians. It's like your dressing up for Halloween and pretending to be something your not. Stop playing dress up.

[@KnoxEmDown]

you're* :^)

[@SearchersoftheLost]

In charity, please actually listen to the podcast before commenting.

[@gregorypizarro9403]

Eastern Catholics are just traditional Orthodox. The EOs can’t even agree on the most basic level, for example, Baptism.

[@KnoxEmDown]

@@gregorypizarro9403 Oh boy, wait until you read the back and forths between St. Cyprian (a western father) and the Roman Pope (who iirc became a martyr) of his day on the issue of baptism. Even among saints there are disagreements, yes, even on things like baptism. So, that isn't the gotcha you may think it is.

[@gregorypizarro9403]

It’s not meant to be a gotcha, it’s to show that even on the basic fundamentals the orthodox can’t agree on. On the issue with baptism with Cyprian, that has already been handled and not even an issue in the holy Orthodox Catholic Church, but still in the Orthodox

[@donbosconguyen5464]

I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic churches, not Orthodox

[@mythologicalmyth]

V2 is horrible

[@Kai_Stwosz]

Stop. Vatican II is a legitimate ecumenical council.

[@SS-qo3nt]

Byzantine Catholics are inhabitants of Limbo. I know, because I was one for a period of 5 solid years.

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Sounds like a personal experience. What was your personal experience like?

[@albertaowusu3536]

If you are greek, Byzantine makes makes sense. I go to Ukrainian Catholic Church sometimes.

[@brjimbo1]

How about including Anglicans (myself)? A bit of Via Media, eh?

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Well, there are some things to work on, but you are very close brother. Keep searching for the Lord. Whoever knocks, to him the door will be open!

[@pablososa9444]

Dear brorher, in Christ, I am a Roman Catholic but I consider that anyone who follows the Nicean Creed is part of The universal apostolic (and orthodox) Church. I believe that at the time of the break with Rome, the Anglican church started out with a bishop that had been appointed by another bishop. As far as I am concerned, the high Anglican Church is part of the one and only Church.

[@vieersfan]

Im Polish National Catholic, we used to have communion with High Church Anglicans! May it be so again!

[@SearchersoftheLost]

BTW, I definitely want to get some Anglicans on the podcast

[@cabellero1120]

Byzantine Catholics are Catholic, just not Roman Rite Catholic. There are many rites of the Catholic Church. There are several different vernaculars of Eastern Christian as well Maronite Antiochian Syriac Coptic Assyrian To name a few Orthodox is something different. Similar but different.

[@seraphimwieber3893]

Larp

[@SearchersoftheLost]

Thats true, Psalm 116:11

[@seraphimwieber3893]

@SearchersoftheLost 😂

[@gottliebgrubber92]

No they are Not