Orthodoxy in America - with Fr. Josiah Trenham

[@16K-L2]

Pray for the Orthodox Christians in Syria

[@user-tg3tj2nq6v]

Well this priest who says belongs to that Church is not saying a word about it. I stopped listening to him because of that.

[@MTech07]

I’m from a small country in Latin America. I became nihilistic and a little bit woke. I was miserable and resentful. I started watching a ton of Dr. Peterson videos and that got me to Jonathan Pageau. I’ve started really listening to Orthodox content (Patristic Nectar included) and decided to convert. I’m in the process and going to liturgy. Thank you for all of what you do 🙏🏼

[@jamesdiluzio9906]

Glory to God. God bless you and guide you on your journey. Christ is Risen! ☦️

[@eetuerrenor5757]

Maybe you can contact bishop Timothy of Assos, he is Colombian and generally helps with people to convert.

[@rafaelnunes3628]

Orthodoxy is really powerful, right? I'm from Brazil and I really wish we had more orthodox churches down here.

[@2ichtwerker]

You are not alone. I am from Europe and could have written the exact same thing. Christ is risen!

[@ISAYWORDS1]

The famous Jordan Peterson to Pageau to Orthodox pipeline

[@RageMagikarp]

"That you're not a saint, that the Lord is going to make you one" why did that instantly bring me tears thanks Father

[@JHoyle-o8y]

It's a grace

[@RootsofOrthodoxy]

Fr Josiah is a gem ! Great video

[@MajorMustang1117]

Hey, your work is incredible too!

[@rafaelnunes3628]

@@MajorMustang1117 It is indeed.

[@hvalenti]

As a former atheist, I've always appreciated that true believers had something in common with me: we both care about the question.

[@wilder11]

What a wonderful thing to be celebrating. I'm a new Orthodox Catechumen. It wasn't COVID that brought me to the faith, though I'm sure it had an influence. If I had to pin it on one thing or person, it would be Jordan Peterson. Specifically his biblical lectures. For most of my life I was an atheist, God forgive me, and I was very anti-religious. But as I grew older, and found myself unable to cope with my life choices and the world I was participating in, Jordan Peterson's talks began to open my eyes. His talks on Genesis cracked open my heart and mind to God, and began to convince me that there was much MUCH more to God and Scripture than I ever knew. But, I only sought out Jordan Peterson because of the completely failed culture we live in. I couldn't explain why, but I began to hate the crass consumerism, the pathetic and passive aggressive politics (particularly of the left), and the worship of technology and science, which seemed to create more problems than it solved. I began to hate my own conduct and thoughts, knowing, somehow, that much of my life was going in the wrong direction. I'm still learning, but I'm ever so thankful for voices like Jonathan's and Father Josiah's, who, after Jordan Peterson, continued to build the bridge, so to speak. Online Orthodoxy, for all its pitfalls, is what finally convinced me to attend Liturgy and meet my spiritual father. Two months later I began catechism. While there are many questions that are still unanswered, many sins I have yet to fully grasp and repent for, I am glad to be on the path. God bless you both, and may God grant us many years and many more catechumens. Personally I'm hoping more women get in on it. haha I think the majority of us catechumens are single and male. XD

[@connorm3946]

I, too, spent a few years in the "Jordan Peterson waiting room" on my way from atheism into Orthodoxy. As I've met more new converts, I've discovered that this phenomenon is actually quite common. Hopefully, our experience will continue to become less unique and pull more people into the church!

[@wilder11]

@connorm3946 Ha! I love that. "Jordan Peterson Waiting room". He is a psychologist after all. Glad to hear I'm not alone and that you found the true faith like I did. Glory to God and God bless you.

[@tulganandvaldyavin6930]

Yes, Dr. Peterson was also a catalyst in my return journey to my faith. My husband converted to Catholicism two years ago. I took a little longer in my journey and celebrated my first mass last Easter. Blessings 🙏

[@jazzywayz9773]

​​@@tulganandvaldyavin6930 former Roman Catholic here. I recommend reading "The Truth" by Dr. Clark Carlton. Dr. Carlton is an Orthodox convert and a professor of philosophy at Tennessee Tech university and he explains the differences of both churches in depth. And "Two Paths" by Michael Whelton does this on a comparison of doctrines basis. You are welcome to research the books

[@Panda-jv7tt]

Jordan Peterson started me on the Journey! Today I am a Cathecumen in Cape Town! Thank you for all the amazing content! ☦️ICXC

[@philipgraybill811]

I love studying STEM: Spirituality, Theology, Eternity, and Meaning.

[@jbsweeney1077]

"Please keep enchanting us, Jonathan." Truly!

[@chrisrobinson34]

Some "Orthodox " enchantment that American capacity for self delusion. "Putin's a nice guy""who are we to police the world."."corrupt Zelenskyy". Trenham is uncritical that over 2000 Ukranian children have died and how many other men women and children? Why "because " .Putin is Orthodox.

[@James.NewYork]

3 things that completely changed my life 1. I stopped thinking about the past 2. l read the book: Your Life Your Game by keezano 3. I started believing in God.

[@MisMariaRosee]

great book...

[@jamesfx33]

just bought it, thanks

[@Dane_Booker]

i read it few years ago, what a gamechanger….

[@riccky707]

l need to start reading

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

Scam.... Go promote your book somewhere else.

[@haleymather9226]

God bless Fr. Trenham and Jonathan. My husband and I had the honour of visiting his church in Riverside, and I was brought to tears for two days straight, overwhelmed by the profound presence of God’s work and glory shining through the students and the services. He does it right.

[@IanBelcher]

I spent half of my life as a Muslim, and now I'm planning to become a catechumen next year. It was you, Mr. Pageau, that inspired me to learn about Orthodoxy. Please keep up the good work and God Bless.

[@carlotapuig]

All Glory to God 🙏

[@aprillee83]

Glory to God! Welcome home. ☦️

[@MicahMarshall4Truth]

Glory to God, brother! Our Lord is rich in mercy indeed.

[@D20034]

Awesome 👏 welcome to the family of believers in Christ ☦️

[@mmtt2866]

May Christ lead you to life everlasting.

[@zdravzivot3016]

Best wishes from Ortodox Serbia!!!❤❤❤

[@taracox3857]

This was a pure blessing to listen to. Patient endurance is something I’ve never heard of or considered before. I could listen to this man all day. Wise and succinct and incisive. More, please!

[@caintapia8255]

I absolutely have you Jonathan to thank for introducing me to orthodoxy and to Fr Josiah who I happen to live very close to and am now planning on becoming a catechumen at his parish

[@ReadiusMaximus]

I hope to see you soon dear brother!

[@caintapia8255]

@@ReadiusMaximusthank you, everybody at St Andrew’s has been so welcoming

[@CursedCommentaries]

It can be easy to forget to have mercy on oneself

[@TheTransfiguredLife]

Fr. Josiah is a fountain of wisdom. Thanks to you both for this robust conversation! ☦

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

I am a wreck! And will try to endure myself BY GODS GRACE!!! ❤

[@jonnyschaff7068]

Pageau. I’ve been here since the beginning. You have been a wonderful voice of this holy tradition. God bless your ministry to His glory ☦️

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Man I wish Fr Josiah had been on on the Gospels seminar panel. He's the best public clergy ambassador for the Church I can think of. You do a great job on there Jonathan, not trying to say you don't and that we are insufficiently represented lol

[@adeporter3999]

100% agree. JBP and Fr Josiah need to have a conversation, God-willing

[@markomarko494]

100% agree

[@haleymather9226]

Praying that this can happen with JBP.

[@daniebeth]

Learning to endure yourself, wow. That is so deep.

[@michiganjack1337]

As a life long agnostic the shutting down of churches during the lockdown was the first time I had ever stood in solidarity with any religious group. Now that has lead me down the path of exploring the faith in earnest.

[@witherfinger]

Thank you gentlemen.

[@angeliquesourtzis2392]

Smiling happy people...all because of their faith in God ❤😊

[@julijanacvejic517]

It looks to me I will be haveing another great American Ortodox priest to listen to ( Non American Ortodox here) 😊 Thank you for the introduction Jonathan ❤😊

[@hannahbaker3080]

He has a good channel, Patristic Nectar, but give Patristic Nectar Kids a look, too, it has wonderful content for kids, we particularly love the stories and Children’s Homilies.

[@Asgutenasen]

“The darkness has appeared, and that has awakened people to the reality of the unseen world…” YES! I’ve been thinking exactly about that the last 5 years. I think it’s true.

[@tulganandvaldyavin6930]

I needed to hear this today. Thank you both so much! God bless! 🙏

[@hitsquad_gaming]

15:30 I had spent the last 13 years as an atheist. Now I can happily say that my wife, my kids, and myself were baptized into our local Orthodox parish 3 weeks ago this Saturday.

[@Itasca1]

I listened to this discussion before, but not with the focus needed. I was moved to listen again! I am thankful that I did! It is full of meaningful teaching. My understanding was illuminated in a number of ways, and God helped me in prayerful contemplation as I played it.🙏☦️ I would like to add one thought to Fr. Josiah's exposition of Justice Antonin Scalia's insightful warning: For those who may not know, the U.S. Supreme Court Justice who was known for his staunch and uncompromising defense of our Constitution, in its original intent, Associate Justice Scalia died unexpectedly on February 13, 2016. The official report claimed apparent death by natural causes. There were many undercurrents questioning that report... Fr. Josiah's reminder of his great loss to our Nation, brings me to say, Whether natural or nefarious, a formidable Warrior against the enemy of us all, was removed from the Battlefield... Thank you both, for this enlightening discussion.🙏☦️

[@rafaelnunes3628]

Great video, Jonathan. I love Fr. Josiah's videos.

[@ProtestantismLeftBehind]

Former Protestant now Orthodox. I found Christ in His Church, I found life, a living faith versus a rationalist faith.

[@blessedpursuitofmotherhood]

Wonderful talk, thank you!!☦️

[@festivetosho7376]

"Lord, that's in me, too. Please get it out." So good! I needed that section (around minute 49). Listened to it repeatedly.

[@TheGerogero]

Pray for the Orthodox Church of Finland. Our new archbishop wants to expand discussion on female priesthood and other progressive topics.

[@hairytentacle3924]

The goal is to find pretext to outlaw Orthodoxy in Finland, I guess. They see it as a Russian cultural influence.

[@mamafortuin]

What?!? Oh, good grief! The other bishops need to issue a statement to shut it down!

[@nuns8126]

​@@mamafortuin The Orthodox church of Finland belongs to the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Bart plans to reunite with Pope Francis at the Council of Nicea in 2025.

[@TheGerogero]

@@mamafortuin We have a good bishop, Metropolitan Arseni, who has opposed these progressive efforts and the previous archbishop issued harassment complaints against him.

[@ddlmytwat]

Then they won’t be orthodox for long

[@orthodoxchristianprayers]

So many strands of wisdom in here. Thank you

[@naikhanomtom7552]

Have more clergy on. This was brilliant as always.

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Grace changes us!!!! It’s ALL GIFT! And we make effort…

[@davidmoore1370]

Thank you for your leadership.

[@jneener67]

Our church is within us in our home and Jesus , God we fear and love.

[@joannemcnamara4346]

As a fairly new convert, I needed to hear this so very much, thank you!

[@riapresley5446]

So awesome....many interesting and important topics. Absolutely wonderful guidance for me personally

[@jelenapetrovic5876]

Greetings from Serbia.Wonderfull interview.Thank you.

[@andyscheurer6336]

Having to endure yourself was a great quote, I can relate.

[@anthoulla100]

God bless you all

[@HelloIAmHunter]

This was an excellent watch! Love both of you ❤

[@AmericanOrthodoxFilm]

Looking forward to the American Orthodox film.

[@Day_Jyer]

Wow what a great and timely interview!

[@kingdomkid7225]

Father Turbo from The Royal Path touched on exactly the same point regarding the Hindus being appointed right now

[@PaulaODowd]

Time stamp?

[@russellhoward3866]

It's late for me tonight, it's a long video, & I'll probably forget about it tomorrow... what did they mean by that?

[@soundsnags2001]

Yes! I'd love to hear him in conversation with Jonathan as well. I think they could go down some interesting paths.

[@PaulaODowd]

Found it, it’s by the end : 1:14:40

[@russellhoward3866]

@PaulaODowd Thank you!

[@Adam_Wilde]

Regarding how many Orthodox Bishops does it take to change a light bulb joke, I have been reading the Desert Fathers. And a fictional answer based on that would be, the answer given makes sense because they decided it was too luxurious to have a light bulb, and so they became grateful that the light bulb had been taken away from them, so that they could remember it is dark in the world, and that Christ is our light, and so they returned to their prayers.

[@dumbidols]

I love this.

[@jawokenn8766]

Glory to God

[@kurtbansag935]

Amin

[@Christisking1911]

Perfect answer 😂

[@MTech07]

I’ll be honest because this is a very common mistake, a joke should be funny. It should reflect reality but with a twist of witty remark that’ll make you laugh. It shouldn’t be preachy. If not, you loose the audience. 😊

[@CursedCommentaries]

I cant wait for a telsabot :D

[@olubunmiolumuyiwa]

I wonder if Jonathan Pageau was asking on the behalf of Jordan Peterson with that qurstion around 50:00. I think he was trying to ask what the common pattern is for getting people like Jordan into the Church

[@Simon-ts9fu]

30:15 Similarly to how the church makes us feel better, I have noticed how videos such as this one make me feel better, even though by any objective measure they should not be any more interesting than other KZbin discussions about more “interesting” things such as politics, science and technology. In fact, any analysis I could make of this video would tell me it is boring and does not provide any useful information. Yet I feel that it did me some good, whereas those other videos might grip my attention but then mostly just abandon me. Evidently, putting the cross first works in all domains (even though it’s only a low tech piece of dull ordinary wood…).

[@Pokemon23491]

I converted to Orthodoxy in June of 2020 and am a member at a Greek Orthodox parish in Omaha,Nebraska. My cathechesis as a chatecuhman happened during covid. Before this, I was more of an inquirer from 2018-jan 2020. Fr. Josiah has been a blessing to me as I did a lot of solo reading my priest assigned me to do. We had some one on one in person before covid bans. I wish we could have catechism classes like what is happening at his parish. If I were any less committed as a Christian at the time of my conversion, I'm not sure I'd still be Orthodox. The support from clergy and parishoners is highly lacking. This doesn't seem to be an isolated issue in the Orthodox church due to the ethnic divisons and structure of authority among parishes. I was hesitant to commit to an Antiochian parish due to large amount of converts as I wanted to be around Orthodox Christians from birth to learn the way of life. Thank you for everything you two are doing to help bring awareness to Orthodox Christianity in America.

[@grimstuff1]

Most cradle Orthodox are not as devout as converts. They're the ones only coming during Holy Week and the ethnic festivals. Consider yourself blessed that you're with other converts who have the curiosity, energy, and drive to expand their faith inward. Not trying to put people in boxes here, but the ethnic dominated parish is not ideal.

[@darthcalanil5333]

Cheers from a fellow Roman Orthodox Syrian. It makes me so happy to see the church flourishing in America.

[@alkistx8267]

Brother is everything good there i read here in Greece that turkish backed jihadists just took over Syria.

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

Lord have mercy on the suffering Christians in Syria. I hope it doesn't get worse. 😢

[@KarenK-r4f]

Bri😢talk 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@matthewhebbert9712]

Just an aside, for what it's worth from a lowly layman, regarding "psychedelics:" micro-doses (not enough to "get you high" or "send you on a trip") of things like psilocybin ("magic mushrooms") objectively helps objective physical ailments that cause certain "mental health" issues, no different than insulin helping diabetics, penicillin fighting off bacterial infections, or vitamins and minerals helping provide immunity or recovery from a virus.

[@JoshuaSobel]

This is absolutely true.

[@TravelingPilgrim-ct6mh]

Pre covid - we were dependent on the clergy to lead us to faith Post covid - we decide to take it onto ourselves to learn & find the faith ...There are 3 reasons for this I think: 1. Scandals of the clergy made us verify 1st before trusting them 2. Atheists forcing us to move from just feelings to using science & logic to find our faith 3. The years of fear & uncertainty that came from covid

[@virginiaday2934]

I completely agree. Things will get better when they have to acknowledge God. You can’t meditate and pretend it’s science, there should always be complete understanding of the “diety” you are worshipping before you engage in spiritual practice.

[@amertlich]

34:00 “Yea, … at the very time when he doth prosper his people, … then is the time that they do harden their hearts, and do forget the Lord their God, and do trample under their feet the Holy One. … thus we see that except the Lord doth chasten his people with many afflictions, … they will not remember him.”

[@JanBear]

As a practical matter, beauty ennobles-and a homeless man can come into a church and have his life lifted.

[@angelheartbguk]

поздрави от българската православна църква

[@aprillee83]

In my opinion, as a 2021 convert, 2016-2020 primed the pump of the people who ended up showing up in Orthodoxy once covid hit.

[@grantg8638]

God bless Fr. Josiah, his parish and family, and all those Jonathan is able to touch in his modern ministry! ☦️

[@JamesWhite-s8y]

Very insightful, good to know people are coming from darkness to the light of the Truth.

[@kage239]

Nice bonus for today

[@WORKOUTSOLUTIONS]

❤✝ ХРИСТОС ВОСКРЕС 🙏🕊️

[@johnbaitselljr4526]

⚔️🕊️❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🕊️⚔️

[@Alexander_Isen]

God has blessed two great minds. Thank you.

[@WhiteStoneName]

38:45 yes! The Orthobro question. 🎉

[@Frauter]

Thanks so much for your generosity jonathan. Could you recommend a book about memory?

[@andrewward5891]

I read a good book on memory but I forgot the name of it

[@Frauter]

@@andrewward5891 Remember to drop the title here when it comes back to you ;)

[@amertlich]

1:14:57 interestingly it’s not the polytheistic Hinduism that’s rising. There are bridges to build here. Advaita Vedanta (Ramaswamy) emphasizes philosophical monotheism and unity with the divine. Vaishnavism (Usha Vance) focuses on devotion to Vishnu/Krishna as the Supreme Being. Gaudiya Vaishnavism (Gabbard) blends monotheistic devotion with ritualistic and meditative practices centered on Krishna.

[@vickykentrota9031]

Mery Christmas to you both wonderful people🙏✨️✨️ Love from Greece 🇬🇷 🩵

[@ortho-g9826]

Read THE DANGERS OF BEAUTY by Dr. E. Michael Jones.

[@JohnGorny]

Saw God at a rave last year. As if i haven't been through enough crazy crap in the last 10 years. Pour it on, ye cup of wrath.

[@alostgod6776]

2 of my favorite people lmao

[@michaelbarber5633]

Even as a Protestant it always blew my mind when some…not all…but some would say, the church should not be elaborate or have “beauty”; Christ spoke out against showy rich people. My mind always went to how God wanted His temple adorned with gold and beauty. Apparently somewhere in the reformation He changed His mind…

[@muadek]

If anyone in the comment section would know this, could you tell me where these massive conversions to Orthodoxy come from? Is it mainly atheism, Islam... or Catholicism? Or Protestantism?

[@st.maximusvstheuglies1309]

Where I live, it's mostly LDS and Protestantism.

[@drooskie9525]

From what I remember, it's like 60% protestants, 20% catholics. and the rest is whatever else.

[@S3raphima]

Christians and atheists, also a small amount of Muslims.

[@carlotapuig]

The Meaning Crisis + Covid crisis

[@muadek]

@@st.maximusvstheuglies1309 Thank you

[@Theoretically-ko6lr]

Glory to God ❤

[@Bella11264]

❤ showing love from Ethiopia orthodox!

[@kc_woodsman7504]

Absolute epic crossover

[@carlotapuig]

I've seen 2 vids of these 2 together before

[@christopherbates1428]

What books would Father recommend for those who are curious about Holy Orthodoxy? God bless

[@SalGargini]

I will tell you that listening to his catechetical lectures in the free Patristic Nectar app is a great start

[@shadow6543]

Pray for the Christians in occupied Syria 🙏☦️

[@jpodolski6078]

I’m Catholic but love the Orthodox Church . The Orthodox stick more to tradition and Catholics looks like are waved bit too much to the do call “progress “. The progress imply something better , positive but I think what really is I would call it “ change “ and not really for anything better . I’m attending Latin Traditional Mass in small Ontario community . The positive thing I see is …lot of young people attending! Thank you . God Bless !

[@S3raphima]

God bless Fr Josiah and Jonathan ♥

[@CrowquillsCrowquillz]

🙏 ♥️

[@andrewward5891]

Father Josiah criticizes the divorce rate among evangelicals but doesn’t mention the divorce rate in Orthodox Church. I’ve seen many divorces during 25 years of going to orthodox churches- some people with multiple divorces. Of course the church celebrates weddings but divorce is never talked about. One spouse (usually the husband) just leaves the church

[@Rabbinicphilosophyforthewin]

26:00 Armenia being “on the outskirts” might rankle Armenian pride. Armenia beat Rome to the punch since they were the first Christian state in 301 (thanks to Grigor Lusavorich).

[@goldenstarafar]

When ever I watch Jonathan's videos, I always get this feeling when watching Jonathan that he's secretly playing Pac man, whilst the person is talking

[@CursedCommentaries]

I use chat gpt :D

[@ChisomPrince-wo9xj]

Praise God! After enduring numerous challenges, I'm now a proud homeowner, blessed with an incredible $155,000 monthly income. God's faithfulness has restored my family's happiness and prosperity, fulfilling His promises. Everything is falling into place, and I'm grateful for His unwavering love and provision. God bless America!

[@DavidTom-n1i]

Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian ✝️and sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.❤️

[@GregGJames-x9p]

Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly states there's going a transference of the riches of the heaven to the righteous.God keep blessings you

[@XimeraGvillermo]

That's amazing! I'm excited to start my journey with her. Do you have any advice for someone just starting out?

[@ChisomPrince-wo9xj]

I'm forever grateful to Elizabeth Marie Hawley, whose expertise and mentorship transformed my financial life. Her selfless support helped me reach my goals and secure a brighter future.

[@ChisomPrince-wo9xj]

Just be open-minded, and trust the process. Elizabeth Marie Hawley will guide you every step of the way. And don't forget to share your testimony with others when you see the results!

[@dolphinitely_bro3944]

1:12:20 I feel the same, I personally feel politics are just as scripted as the wwe

[@Omega_Rio]

What he said about enduring yourself is so true

[@njofl2196]

☦️❤

[@christopherlamanna2501]

If one were to want to become an orthodox priest…what might that process look like as far as schooling?

[@Observer-g6m]

Depends on your bishop but usually it requires Seminary of which there are several: St Tikhon’s in PA, Holy Cross in Brookline, MA, St Vladimir’s in Scarsdale, NY, Christ the Savior in PA, etc.

[@mamafortuin]

You’ll need an undergrad degree in order to apply to any of the seminaries in most cases.

[@BarryWillBuck]

I was also an atheist before becoming Christian

[@izzyhale8350]

Awesome talk

[@arscheerio]

Why did the Russian Orthodox Church change its liturgical practices to fit more in line with Greek Orthodoxy and then shun the church that didn’t change with them?

[@c.vanderleek9535]

Can someone please explain the second meaning of that "lightbulb" joke??

[@sunrhyze]

This is not a crucial thing, it doesn't require any bishops, just change the bulb! (I'm just guessing, but since no one else has replied to you I'll give it a shot.) 😊

[@yowwwwie]

This was funny to me because I come from a long line of Presbyterian ministers....Why funny? You know that "line" that politician speak about when they are forced into doing something...like war, etc. When I was growing up I didn't know much other than Preacher talk too much...they could convince you just by talking you to death. The other thing was that really, the line on beliefs moved a lot. To the point where really...you could believe just about anything and still be a Christian. This bothered me because I was of the view that Jesus was a revolutionary. He WAS the TRUTH, the LIFE and the WAY. He had principles. At 48 I had a conversion experience and was baptized Catholic and have never regretted it. The same reasons that Fr Josiah is speaking about are the reasons why Christianity needs to have principles....because sometimes being Christian means you aren't NICE. Like when you have to be civilly disobedient because a tyrant decides that you must do such and such.....masks, six feet apart, not take communion etc. Thanks Jonathan, יוי

[@nahomafriend]

thank you jo