Are Cherry MX Keyswitches Really the Best?

Just a brief video on Cherry MX keyswitches, and the alternatives. It's fairly basic, and you can go much deeper, especially once you start getting involved in custom mechanical keyboards.
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[@TaeKeyboards]

Just a simple vid on MX type keyswitches. Yep I know, you can go way deeper, and you guys aren't really the ones that need to be shown the light, but I think you know what I was going for here. But it looks like we're generating some awesome discussion!

[@42ronty]

You need to do a detailed tactile key roundup video.

[@SimGunther]

Thank you for taking my "yuck" comment out of context at 0:26 by omitting the second part of the comment that says "I wish these "budget boards" would just let you swap the switches out with gateron switches at least if they're gonna keep costs down. :/" I never said anything about Cherry MX switches being the defacto switch; just that more budget boards should go for kailh/gaterons instead of _defaulting_ to Outemu because it's cheaper (outemu blues and skies ice v2 are the only outemus that are "worth it" if you're forced to go with outemu). I know just as well as you do that more exotic switches should be up for display in retail stores so they can actually try outemus/gaterons/zealios/holy pandas/Aristotles/alps/etc in person instead of just trusting the word of "redditors" who may see the switch as good for them but doesn't fit their personal preference. The keyboard world should not just be dominated by two manufacturers in retail stores. How you get the normies in the community is that you show off all the switches you can to them *in person* plain and simple, because we need this clicky clacky world to be a happier one and it doesn't start with taking people's comments out of context. :)

[@TaeKeyboards]

@@SimGunther lol to be honest, I was quickly going through comments to find stuff. so I cut out the name as well. My bad, poor form.

[@rofidel178]

@@SimGunther haha, as someone who used outemu brown for two years i was going to comment how much i liked them for being silent and cheap, heh

[@outtheredude]

I've been using linear Cherry MX Blacks with my daily driver keyboard for about a year now. I find that from my own subjective point of view, when combined with their higher weighting and tall double shot spherical keycaps, they have a rather smooth sandy feel that enhances their tactility, rather than the "scratchiness" that others tend to describe of them.

[@Cyortonic]

Ahh, Cherry MX. The company that makes clicky and tactile switches based on a design that was supposed to be linear.

[@CharlesHydronium]

*points at Kalih BOX Royal*

[@Boyetto-san]

To be fair, even Alps switches were originally made to be linear, and they just thought of adding the tactile or clicky leaf later. Doing so made clicky and tactile Alps unable to take backlight LEDs.

[@Boyetto-san]

@@michael4196 Blacks are the original MX switch type, which is why you'll hear a lot of talk in some communities about vintage Blacks. Cherry later designed a notch in the slider to generate a tactile bump, and thats how we got Browns and Clears. In the case of Blues, they were originally designed not with clickiness in mind at all. The click jacket/sleeve that generates the sound was originally invented to produce hysteresis (having the reset point above the actuation point), which was a quality considered desirable for typists. That they generated a clicky sound was entirely incidental, and they just rolled with it.

[@0name933]

@@Boyetto-san You need backlight to be able to type?

[@thump3r]

@@michael4196 cherry was originally a general switch company in the 60s. they soon moved into keyboard switches in the 70s and created the m4 m5 m6 switch. with different variations. linear, tactile, shift lock and alternate action. so i dont believe they are based on linear designs. they always had variety in mind. and im sure the companies that needed these switches made sure they had enough variety for the time. very interesting history imo.

[@Chyrosran22]

HAHAHA xD it's interesting to see how much perspectives differ! If I'd make a video with a title like that, I'd be talking about completely different stuff!

[@ItsReaxxion]

Chyrosran22 POG, sad to see nobody knows you here.

[@Chyrosran22]

@@ItsReaxxion haha well, it kinda makes sense - I don't really talk all that much about the popular modern stuff xD .

[@hannibalkim]

I hope complicated blue alps are coming back in alternative universe.

[@venaros9723]

Smith Corona Leaf Springs

[@ianv3180]

@@venaros9723 God of spoons

[@rafindeed]

Cherry the best ? I can hear all r/mk screeching

[@CharlesHydronium]

boy, you know it

[@santiagorestrepo9504]

Way to overpriced. For exmample Kailh are more durable, half the price and kind of water resistant.

[@scottdinh5120]

Gateron browns are my favorite

[@santiagorestrepo9504]

@@scottdinh5120 haven't tested them.

[@SimGunther]

Vintage cherry blacks/hirose oranges are real nice when retooled and lubed...

[@danodden9783]

Man my switches use click jackets but those click bars sound so clean.

[@TaeKeyboards]

Nothing wrong with click jackets! But click bars are a nice change :)

[@tjcmoto5484]

Yah the bars honestly made the jackets sound like shit.

[@neptunez3495]

the click bars kinda sound like a mouse click lol

[@mpresto15]

Im on the hunt for a board with them.

[@Snoigel]

BRO. Not only do they sound so clean, they feel amazing!

[@JinFX]

Range doesn't really matter when 90% of the keyboards in stores are blues and reds.

[@ryanzwe]

Order online?

[@riceballalabama4312]

I'm pretty sure 95% people here order from Amazon

[@MSPstance]

@@riceballalabama4312 lol no, US and UK uses amazon thats about it ...

[@MSPstance]

@Deadpoppin most of europe does not. Germany and uk mainly

[@SakanaKogane]

France is all about Amazon too…

[@GabeIG]

the short answer is preference the long answer is no

[@CharlesHydronium]

pretty much

[@Frawt]

It's funny 'cause the short answer is the longer word and the long answer is the shorter word. Haha. Haha.

[@LunarDoor]

facts

[@iHeatzify]

Would be perfect if you followed up this video with a key switch buyer's guide based on desired feel or the supposed keyboard's purpose and what it's meant to be used for (typing/gaming/both/etc). Also, loved the video's presentation, easy to follow and lots of examples for a clean understanding. *SOLID 5/7* keep it up!

[@rogerzheng2814]

Slightly scratchy? SLIGHTLY?

[@CharlesHydronium]

EKS DEE

[@raulsaavedra709]

The Cherry Browns actually are scratchy by design

[@isak1917]

@@raulsaavedra709 then why would they make them retooled?

[@raulsaavedra709]

@@isak1917 Browns are like reds with an added bump just to provide the very lame "tactility" it's supposed to provide. Some people complain that Cherry Reds are already scratchy on their own. And that bump on the Browns just adds yet more friction. That is what I mean by: "Browns are scratchy by design." Based on sliding on a bump, ideally should be a smooth and frictionless matter, but it is not. Or course exact plastics and materials used (and manufacturing tolerances and lubing and what not) might make a difference, so ymmv

[@Aggrofool]

Retooled are less scratchy though not as good as Gaterons

[@shilo.5087]

0:24 ayyy thats me

[@TaeKeyboards]

haha, you did well!

[@zacjohnson452]

s h i l o. cAn i gEt YoUr AUtOgRaPh?

[@nguyenhongan]

Can I get you autograph you are famous.

[@hemithedog6265]

Whats his name again from one punch man its starts with a G

[@yeezet4592]

@@hemithedog6265 gay

[@samlee458]

Cherry needs to step up their game. They been stagnant for a while and gateron/kailh making moves. 😂

[@0name933]

It's a bit too late though. Everyone is already innovating for a while when Cherry was sleeping.

[@aakashsahani2991]

@@0name933 Ah yes, enslaved Cherry. Just how many Turtle-Hare races in tech hardware industry we will see this decade.

[@themaincheese5897]

samlee458 why would they need to they have 90 percent of the market on their pocket

[@ryuuseiboi950]

@@themaincheese5897 Intel also had a similar thought process 5 years ago.

[@rynne7153]

@@ryuuseiboi950 oof

[@SnowyNowak]

After typing on them for almost a year I gotta say that I prefer the way how Kailh switches feel over Cherry switches.

[@anasevi9456]

If you like clicky: even Kailh box white switches are god next to Cherry MX blue. If you prefer traditional clickjacket clickies, even Outemu Ice Clicks are 100x better than regular MX blues.

[@zachhixon5497]

@@anasevi9456 putting the box white switches in my ctrl keyboard was the best decision I've made in years.

[@SnowyNowak]

@@anasevi9456 I went from MX Browns to Kailh Speed Silvers (which I didn't like, felt they were too sensitive) to Kailh Box Royals, which I'm typing on right now, and these are the most gloriously tactile switches I've ever typed on. Easily the best decision I made since getting into keyboards.

[@alexaraldi6458]

I used Mx blue daily for two years, then hanwired a Planck with kailh heavy yellow, then got a kailh tester and I loved the clickbar but I still used the kailh sage I had to build my Dactyl Manuform. Said that... my XD75 is going to have kailh box pink :)

[@victorl5402]

I replaced my ducky with cherry red with a gmmk compact so I could smack a bunch of different switches on them. Love Kailh box reds right now.

[@kevadu]

The irony is that if you look at vintage stuff Cherry MX was...pretty mediocre compared to its contemporaries. But then rubber domes started to take over and most keyboard manufacturers started to focus on low cost more than anything. Therefore most switch manufacturers just abandoned the market entirely. They didn't see much room for profit. Cherry was about the only mechanical keyswitch maker to keep at it and they deserve some credit for that. Then when there was a big revival in interest in mechanical keyboards (larger due to the gaming market) Cherry became the de facto choice because they were the only people still making mechanical key switches in large quantities. Honestly I've never liked Cherry switches. I mostly stuck to vintage boards until Kailh started doing some interesting stuff int he MX-compatible world. There are some other decent switches as well, like Zeal's stuff. But personally I actively avoid 'genuine Cherry' switches.

[@dreadlock17]

This reminds me of alps switches

[@0name933]

@@dreadlock17 Imagine what would happen if Alps Electric didn't leave the market.

[@venaros9723]

Vintage blacks are the only cherry switches worth getting

[@sm3535-o1u]

@@0name933 they probably would have had a significant decrease in quality and personally i'm glad they stopped when they did so we can remember them still near they're prime

[@DVRC]

Are MX type switches the best? Look IBM Buckling Springs, Topre switch, Alps SKCL/M series and Plate springs, Fujitsu Leaf Spring, you will find the answer by yourself. Anyway, the MX type switches have the merit of being starters for everyone who wants a mechanical keyboard without chasing old keybs like the Dell AT101, SGI Granite, IBM Model M, ecc. P.S: MX mount today is a must for using MX keycaps, since most artisan and high profile keycaps are MX mount

[@CharlesHydronium]

too bad all of the old stuff isn't manufactured anymore

[@DVRC]

@N. Tilton **stares in Hall Effect**

[@DVRC]

@@CharlesHydronium Topre switches and keyboard are still made, look at RealForce, HHKB, Leopold capacitive. Unicomp makes IBM Model M (membrane buckling spring) reissues that work over USB. It would be nice to see again Alps SKCM/L serie (Matias switches are clones of simplified Alps SKBM), Plate spring switches, capacitive buckling springs and Fujitsu leaf spring switches (both linear and clicky), and IBM beam springs too (maybe an updated version that allows faster typing). Also vintage high profile keycaps like HiPro, Fujitsu, IBM beam springs, Honeywell, KeyTronic are damn cool IMO.

[@DVRC]

@N. Tilton There is the APT Hall Effect, but Input Club is developing a new hall effect switch called SILO, and it's MX compatible, hot swappable, and the clicky version is beam spring

[@wkg19591]

@@CharlesHydronium Unicomp in Lexington Kentucky still makes model M's

[@Firebear31]

I just switched from Cherry MX Browns after 6 years (my first mech) to Kailh Plum/Purple (my first custom build) which are also tactile but heavier and man do they feel good (lubed of course). So I can confirm what you said at around 4:00

[@rich1051414]

Cherry MX brown are simultaneously the most popular switch and also the worst cherry mx switch. It doesn't have enough tactility. Regardless, I now use Kailh thick click switches. Jades are my favorite. I have already dumped cherry tactile switches, but I do love my keyboard with zealeos switches.

[@ZILtoid1991]

Browns lack tactility so much that some better rubber domes are better in that regard, especially Topre and BTC.

[@CharlesHydronium]

tactile... more like, scratchy linears xddddddd

[@NortelGeek]

I like the sound of Kailh Box Navy and the weighting of Jade. My favorite switch is White Alps. I've never tried blues but would love to. I dislike Cherry blue, and if I must use a Cherry switch, I prefer black.

[@TaeKeyboards]

gg browns

[@kamalhm-dev]

Which company has the most value tactile switch? Im looking to switch from cherry mx brown

[@cubez9]

Everytime I watch your gameplay footage, it takes me back to the year 2010 or before that. Not only the games but also your monitor. Idk maybe it's just me. Great vid tho really appreciate and like it.

[@pixelpower6781]

Do you know what game he is playing?

[@daykeyy]

@@pixelpower6781 I'm late but that looks like insurgency

[@pixelpower6781]

@@daykeyy cool

[@jaegercrusader2211]

I've always worship cherry mx browns but after researching on my own about building keyboards, testing key switches, my life is forever changed and now I'm sticking with my gateron aliaz.

[@jaywonlee1436]

ugh god, I remember buying a Corsair Browns thinking, "oh wow these feel nice", I got a Topre board with modded BKE domes a few years later, and have been using that ever since. I recently had to use my Corsair for a little bit while I wait for an extra stabilizer I broke while working on my main board and god dam do MX browns feel as dry and scratchy as my ass in the desert

[@Boonwongree]

Just found your channel while researching on mechanical keyboard, and see that you play insurgency sand storm, i just sub instantly. Apart from that great content!

[@ShivaM-dc4xe]

are jacket types quiter than click bar ? i work with others around and if quieter i would prefer it

[@18266609]

agreed. I see so many people write off keyboards because they don't have cherry switches. my favorite switches are the varmilo rose switches and zeal tealios.

[@ghhlx9863]

18266609 if you like tealios you should try black gateron inks. cheaper and imo better. you can also change the spring weight to get them closer to tealios

[@18266609]

@@ghhlx9863 yeah ive heard good things about them. would def like to give them a try. thanks for the suggestion.

[@CozyToad]

I used cherry browns with my first keyboard, moved to box jades, I really don't need to say which was better

[@kunkundalin]

There's not even a question here.

[@caduceiz2155]

When i was first interested in mechanical keyboards i was thought cherry mx was the best switches bcz how pricey they are

[@vaibhavkhinvasara9926]

When I was new I thought cherry were the best switches because Linus said so

[@2ndLastJedi]

I just got my first mech after years of cheap Woolworths keyboards, lol I got another cheap one but it's got outemu reds and I love it ;) $65 aud from Kogan.

[@jwags24]

So you seem to not like the cherry browns. So far I’ve used cherry browns, reds, and blues. The brown is my favorite feeling of the three. What would be a better alternative to a cherry brown ?

[@_forestbor_6187]

8:11 top 10 most unexpectable anime deaths

[@nytalix642]

I was the same before, I thought that Cherry was the highest quality possible. But now, I've realised that there are other varieties of switches that are good and might even be a better alternative. Currently in pursuit of Zilents or Aliaz switches

[@vnplayer6839]

Using Outemu brown right now and I'm happy with it.

[@rockywolf729]

VNPlayer are they scratchy?

[@Amusia727]

@@rockywolf729 Yeah, they're scratchy af. Had some in my Magicforce 68 before resoldering.

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

@@rockywolf729 yeah just slightly more scratchy than cherry

[@commandozambo7867]

I have Outemu blues and they are as smooth as butter. Havent tried Outemu browns though but have been pondering about them.

[@topfs2]

Was just about to order Mx browns, gonna go for either zelio or zilents now instead :) Have gateron silent browns which are alright but preferred Mx browns as they are more tactile, perhaps zilents will be perfect! Thanks for a great channel!

[@minttshake]

did you just say that mx browns feel tactile everyone knows the browns are not tactile, they are clearly linear you uncultured swine! (this is a joke, don't kill me.)

[@joshasmr9301]

Are we just going to ignore how excited he got when he saw the keyboard in game?

[@DBT_Rusty]

Absolutely agree. I didnt even consider other key switch brands until i was messing with some mechs at BestBuy and stumbled onto the g815 with the Khail choc clicky switches and side by side they felt far and away better than anything else on display in the store

[@giuseppeafellay4855]

I think something similar to this happens a lot in the tech world. When it comes to audio, people seem to like beats, bose, skullcandy etc. But these brands are no different from Corsair, Razer or other gaming brands in the keyboard world. There are much better stuff for the price like stuff from Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, Monoprice etc. Cherry does make some pretty good switches. Their linears aren't all that bad although I think Gateron and Kailh pretty much caught up. MX Clears are actually a very unique switch and they are also pretty tactile. Retooled MX Blues are actually very tactile. Much more tactile than their older MX Blue variants. However most of their switches always have a better, and possibly cheaper alternative. Blues, albeit being pretty tactile, rattle like hell. Kailh clickbar switches beat them out. Stock MX Blacks are just too heavy for their own good and mx reds too light. They are also scratchy stock. Gateron linears and kailh cream switches are smoother. MX Clears are great switches but Zealios exist and I would say MOD switches are also better than MX Clears. Their browns are just sad imo. There is pretty much no reason for anyone to get Cherry MX Browns over Gateron Brown or Kailh BOX Brown unless they are using vintage browns. It's all a matter of perspective, as most people will consider cherry switches to be an upgrade from their non mechanical keyboards but considering how better value switches already exist, Cherry MX will probably slowly fade away from the competition as time goes by. Just like how people seem to think Beats are amazing headphones because of course, they will sound better than the $5 earbuds they generally tend to use. But for the price, there will be better options than the most popular stuff. In the end, it is a win for the consumers as they will get better, and cheaper products due to the competition. I am hoping Cherry actually innovates something big and bring something incredible to the table, just like what Input club is doing with their Silo switches. The low profile switches are pretty unique, but they aren't remarkable and I would consider them to be already outclassed by the kailh low profile switches. At some point, more and more switches from Kailh and Gateron will catch up to the general public and will be the norm. On the other hand, there are even more premium switches like Alps and Buckling spring which are even better than the best MX based switches. However I wouldn't really blame people for not knowing much about these older switches. At this point comparing Cherry & its clones to Alps/IBM switches is the equivalent of comparing something like $200 audiophile headphones vs $2000 audiophile headphones.

[@mathewchen3847]

i think bose is a different story though with the noise cancelling headphones, their speakers are definitely not bad but i agree for the price you can get better, but man the bose qc is really comfortable

[@giuseppeafellay4855]

@@mathewchen3847 The Bose qc is a standout, and maybe their soundlink mini 2. But most of their other stuff is overpriced and not worth it tbh.

[@maheepsingh3612]

What would you say is a great clicky switch for about the same price point as the blues? It really sucks to live somewhere without any real physical access to mechanical keyboards and having to buy stuff only based on hearsay--

[@mathewchen3847]

Maheep Singh kailh box jade/navy is amazing, theyre they have like the perfect click imo, theyre €0.02 more expensive than cherry mx per piece on kbdfans but more than worth it

[@giuseppeafellay4855]

@@maheepsingh3612 Any of the Kailh BOX clicky switches. The Jades and Navies will wow you but they can be very harsh. They are the most tactile switch in the market right now. The other switches like White and Pale Blue are also great. Very smooth and crisp. In my personal opinion, BOX Pale Blues are the best gaming switch.

[@classicrockonly]

I bought the Ergodox EZ with Kaihl Gold switches. They are by Far my most favorite clicky switches. Overall my 2 favorite switches are the Kaihl Gold and Cherry MX Clears

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

How heavy are those?

[@classicrockonly]

@@Fleshlight_Reviewer They're heavier than MX Blues if you've used those. They're in between Blues and Greens. I like heavier switches. They're rated at 60gf, which is 5 less than MX Clears. Though I would say with the clicky they feel equally as heavy as MX Clears to what I can tell. Though there's something about how tactile the Gold's are compared to MX Blues that gives me better feedback when I'm typing

[@waltherstolzing9719]

I'm very happy with the buckling springs on my Unicomp Model M; though I'm getting more and more curious about other types of switches, as I'm intrigued by the possibility of building a mechanical keyboard from the ground up. The Unicomp is great - but I'd really like to try something that felt a little sturdier.

[@CharlesHydronium]

great, but might blow your ears xd

[@Memann208]

Just wondering if the Cherry MX factor of the Ducky keyboards big enough of a turn off to stay away from it? Currently torn between the Ducky and GMMK barebones (plan to use gat yellows). The price of a custom GMMK is much more than a similar size Ducky, but better typing experience with the switches. But I've heard Ducky have some really good stabs, and wonder if the GMMK can even compare.

[@HowManySmall]

I've never had MX Switches fail but I've had the offbrand switches fail. But now I don't use those switches since I have my buckling spring.

[@autumnpurpleyoutube]

Pokemon5475 I use membrane as they’re cheap and I want high FPS, plus the mouse is more important for me

[@timothymorgan7932]

Nitro-A what does FPS have to do with the keyboard

[@sbeckett91]

Nitro-A They’re cheap, but what do membrane keyboards have to do with your mouse or FPS?

[@grihaspoormachine]

@@timothymorgan7932 Maybe he use ps/2 keyboard?

[@zebhoevenaars6837]

which tactile switches would you pick up if you don't want a lot of screeching?

[@trickyrat483]

Filco here with Cherry Browns. Love it.

[@FourStringL0B0]

Building a keyboard with box whites. Super excited!

[@Ceigee]

I'm a huge fan of cherry switches especially reds. I've been using it for so long, but after trying gateron clears, I don't think I can ever go back. Now when ever I go back to other key switches, I feel like I have to push extra hard to just press the switch.

[@RomanHold]

Red cherries alrdy have a very light key press actuation force, it took me quite a while to not press keys while resting.

[@rounakr94]

My Mx red rgb's are very smooth and not scratchy but my non rgb black casing mx reds are scratchy. Looks like they updated the design in the newer version

[@czdot]

I'm absolutely fine with my Outemu blue switches. 🙂

[@coszz]

Reddragon k552 gang

[@MeowMeow-tl4xh]

Same, they are better then cherry mx blues

[@MeowMeow-tl4xh]

But cherry mx blues have longer life

[@MuzluPattes16]

Hey. I bought my first keyboard logitech g810. It was my first mechanical keyboard. It felt good at first, but then started to loose it's sound, feeling and reliability. I used it for 2 years. when keys started chattering, and keys started to shine, I bought a coolermaster mk750 with reds. My experience with cherry mx has been horrible. I do have to say I use my keyboard heavily but not carelessly. some keys are chattering/not registering an keys that are used more often have gotten lighter and sound cheap. there is also some sort of wiggling sound/feeling coming from the contact piece inside. I was wondering if keys found on higher quality brands like varmilo are better ? I know the spacers and the sound is better but some even say the feeling is more pleasent. I care mostly about it's longevity and consistency. Would love to hear your opinions.

[@hanshen5584]

TLDW: No

[@TheMassgames]

More like "Not always"...

[@travdump209]

more like "no", the only thing Cherry does better is linears and even then, everyone else is closing the gap fast

[@GurtTarctor]

@@travdump209 Hmm not sure about even that, my Kailh Silvers that I put into my Race 3 are noticeably smoother and better weighted compared to the Cherry MX Silvers that were in there previously.

[@ethanoux10]

@@travdump209 Sometimes MX Blacks are better, but most of the time reds are very scratchy compared to everyone else. especially gateron and kailh for linears.

[@rynne7153]

@@travdump209 The only good thing Cherry made is Vintage Blacks, period

[@bl4nk999]

This is a very helpful video for people who are interested in buying a mechanical keyboard

[@bagoes99]

still happy with Cherry MX brown for daily

[@Bonsoni03]

Gateron browns are so much better you gotta try some sometime

[@Hirens.]

I had 3 kailh switch keyboard break on me but I had zero issues with Cherry MX. It's pretty hard for me to not be biased especially after these experiences.... Corrosion was the reason for all 3 kailh keyboards breaking. I had double and triple actuation on multiple keys. Also these keyboards broke after less than 11 or 12 months of use at best.

[@Hirens.]

Anyways, great video!

[@zerosity717]

Kailh Box Jade's are my favorite that I've found so far. Cherry's don't feel good to me anymore.

[@KiraTheUnleashed]

Hi, I'm new to mechanical keyboard. I'm a programmer and after doing fair research I came to know that cherry mx blue are popular in the market for typists. After seeing various videos on the internet comparing kailh and cherry switches I found kailh to be a better alternative. Since I'm mostly a typist and will be using the switches for programming, which kailh switch do you recommend for me that's closer to the equivalent to the cherry mx blue ?

[@TheHornet79]

Holy pandas, Zealios V2s, zilents, black gateron inks are all the community wants now

[@CoDeXevolution]

Also some kailh options

[@fathmubina]

also novelkeys cream

[@samdeur]

For the linear switching I 100% agree on the tactile not so much the offerings are too expensive add to them import fees and taxes and shipping. Also I would love a milky mx clear. I have the T1 switch but prefer the feel of milky housings

[@LastSecBloomer]

Gaterons are better Cherries and there are much better, non-Cherry MX switches out there...

[@0name933]

I've seen people complain about Gateron being more wobbly than Cherry, and I can confirm this. Gateron switches make the stems a bit smaller to be smoother, but it results in more space for the stem to shake in the housing, aka wobble.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

@Drop the Chalupa! Being better Cherry switches is not hard. Pretty much all the clones are better.

[@soxic-y8e]

I actually had the opposite experience then like everyone i guess, I had a gateron keyboard that felt so scratchy I refunded and now have very smooth feeling cherry switches

[@SkepticalCaveman]

@@soxic-y8e I haven't tried gaterons. I have a keyboard with outemo blue switches. I also have one with cheryl max red, 2 with cherry ML and a IBM model F with buckling spring switches.

[@Kana-vv6iv]

How’s the wobbling for gateron?

[@tompov227]

i like cherry blues and in general i tend to enjoy clicky switches the most but not always if that makes sense. like when i want a clicky switch nothing can compare but i can also find them annoying. that being said my favorite and daily driver switch that i really love and never get sick of is cherry brown. i’ve used a couple of other “brown equivalents” but cherry brows are just the best to me

[@jdapoet3138]

I tried the 3 popular cherry sưitches: red, blue, brown All sounds very scratchy, and the bumb on brown is too weak to be tactile

[@Niels_f2704]

It is barely tactile yes.. Some Kailh Box switches are very tactile though. Like Royals.

[@Shin_97]

@@Niels_f2704 to me it seems even Kailh Brown is more tactile than Cherry Brown

[@ryanvacation7319]

I wonder from purely a durability point of view, are Cherry switches really more durable than clones?

[@keyboarduser7540]

On the difficulty of trying out the alternatives, hot swappable boards make this a lot easier for someone who doesn't want to build a custom keyboard. Someone could buy a GMMK for example without the switches, then buy clone switches separately for a decent price. I've tried out 4 clone switches this way and only just built my first custom.

[@CharlesHydronium]

GMMK, GK61, GK64 are great examples for hotswappable pre-builds

[@TaeKeyboards]

Yes! That is true. There's more and more hotswappable keyboards coming out now (Kailh sockets), which definitely makes it easier in trying different keyswitches.

[@Miss_Chick]

Has Cherry MX changed their cherry mx blue switches over the last 10 years? I have a CM Storm XT keyboard with cherry mx blue switches that have a great sound, but the new Corsair k70 with cherry mx blue switches have a very metallic sound, as do the Outemu blue switches. Have ALL blue switches moved towards a metallic sound?

[@whateven2493]

I have kailh silver speeds and I couldn't imagine anything better

[@platty9237]

I’m really trying to adjust to the nuances between brands. I can hear rattles with unlubed stabs, but the jacket rattling and scratchiness are still not perceptible to me... yet?

[@noidsuper]

Its subtle if you haven't heard really smooth switches. But once you do you'll never be able to unhear it

[@Wifelover_]

Great video mate! One thing that's turned out to be a major criteria for me in key switch is wobble Gaterons are smooth but seem to have a bit more wobble than cherry. Personally Kailh box switches seem superior to me in comparison with the competitors in their range and quality, sound, feel etc and very little wobble. e.g Kailh box navy thick clicks are the best clicky switch Ive tried. And their burnt orange heavy is a great tactile switch. Yet to try their Jade which I think is even more tactile but have read it's a bit too tactile.

[@mathewchen3847]

i actually really like the jade tactility but unless youre trying not to, you will bottom out on every stroke

[@Aggrofool]

The wobble is not very noticeable, certainly less noticeable than Cherry's scratchiness

[@Sean3503]

Personally my favorite switches are the Kailh Box switches. I have a GMMK TKL with Kailh Box Navies in it and it feels amazing

[@MSPstance]

Mod-M tactile switches all day long

[@goose4769]

No, bad

[@creatorart]

What is yours opinion on gateron brown ? i know nothing about mechanical keyboard , and i want to buy one ,coolermaster 550 with this, i found in my country

[@f3nrir_]

Are cherry mx switches the Best? No. But are those prebuilt keyboards that use cherry mx switches better in build quality? Yes.

[@xtrabaka]

i never tried Kailh personally but what i found on some computer shops in place nearby me, they feel almost the same. but the best smooth i tried so far is Gateron. but i never own any gaterons. in the end, they are still mechanical and we still get the feel of them.

[@Sapphire200]

Never tried linear kailh, but the clicky ones are way better than Cherry/Outemu IMO

[@luxfux8764]

I really like the razer purple switch...

[@stalker.923]

Yeah me too, it's my favourite

[@dotakvkn2146]

Recently I got this mechanical keyboard that uses a different kind of blue switch and it's called Content blue switch. I can't find any reviews about this one so can you also make a comparison between this type of switch and Cherry MX too? My keyboard is Gigaware K28 mechanical keyboard btw

[@TaeKeyboards]

Yeh, they're quite similar. All clicky blues are quite similar.

[@dotakvkn2146]

@@TaeKeyboards thanks for your reply mate. Now I can rest in happiness with my new keyboard lol

[@InnerCityZoo]

If I HAVE to buy a commercial non custom keyboard, I’m only picking a non cherry switch. I’d pick box whites for clicks, Gateron brown for tactile, and gateron black for linears. Tbh the only mx switch I still like are cherry mx clear and black switches I prefer other switches on custom boards but I feel like these are becoming more common nowadays, and can easily be found on things like the Anne pro, varmillo boards, ducky boards, etc

[@mathewchen3847]

which ones would you use for custom boards for each catagory?

[@InnerCityZoo]

mathew chen For me: Clicky: Kailh box white, box pale blue or box navy (lightest, medium, heavy). They have a difference in how heavy they feel, and a slightly different click mechanism Tactile: zealpc zealios v2 67g, Kailh speed copper if you want something light with a satisfying bump and a short travel distance (great for light Typing and for gaming/spamming a single key) Linear: gateron inks are my favorites hands down. Zealpc Tealios are really great. Gateron yellows are really smooth and are a little heavier than a gateron red/cherry red. Remember it’s all preference. I find I like a noticeable tactile feedback, which is why I liked clicky switches most at first, and what got me interested in zealios and holy panda switches. And recently I’ve been liking linears because of how smooth they feel. And I bottom out a lot and it like simulates some form of tactility for me.

[@tormenmashi_]

i use optemu blues, i like them, they are pretty clicky and tactile, i want to try gateron brown next maybe kailh box brown if i can afford it

[@tormenmashi_]

@Vincent Schley too bad i bought a board with outemu browns

[@Slacking02]

Gateron Yellows

[@TaeKeyboards]

classic

[@TheRealEvol]

All about the stabilizers and keycaps. Just picked up a Durgod 320L, great solid board. I’m used to MacBooks for work, so a Cherry MX Silver Speed switch is perfect for my hands... for heavy hands stay go Brown or Red

[@chriswilliamson8563]

I enjoy my gateron browns and clears

[@jessebremner4206]

Is there a heavy difference in actuation force

[@chriswilliamson8563]

@@jessebremner4206 I believe the browns are 45g and the clears are 30g. I mixed in the clears for the keys I use for gaming

[@jessebremner4206]

Build a custom board and went with cherry blues but thos gareon yellows are beutiful sounding might just have to test them out are there much difference in actuation force??

[@NortelGeek]

No. Cherry MX isn't the best (in my opinion). It has a place, for instance: MX blacks are workhorses. They work wonderfully in industrial situations.

[@Tom-sd2vi]

Does the lesser tactile of cherry mx brown make the mx brown better suited for gaming while still being better for typing when compared to linear like mx red?

[@Chozo_Ghost]

"Are Cherry MX Keyswitches Really the Best?" Well...I mean...they're not the WORST...

[@victorl5402]

Fr, people like Outemu more sometimes, and my experience with their blues were pretty bad. Luckily I had a cheap hotswap prebuilt, so the many switches that failed were easily replaced. Definitely like Kailh boxes better though. Would like to buy a bunch of gaterons once I'm bored to try them out.

[@Chozo_Ghost]

@@victorl5402 My personal top 2 at this point are Kailh Box Whites and Zilent V2 78g's!

[@jo_naash]

Looking at romer-g switches

[@bobbybenny12]

I went from Mx silent reds to gateron reds and I feel like I switched from a membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard again. Like the weighting between switches was so inconsistent on the cherry Mx silent switches and they felt sticky and scratchy if you didn’t press perfectly on center

[@ArthurM1863]

Hahahahaha good joke

[@DonnyZofChaos]

Clicky cherry switches drive me insane!!!!

[@ChrisVanMiddelkoop]

I am so torn on a more aggressive tactile switch or a less aggressive one. My daily driver is MX browns. I am building a board with Novel Keys Sherbet switches and wow there is a bump there. I have to give it a real week or so to feel it out before my final judgement but I feel as though I can type faster on the less aggressive and lighter switches.

[@xclvrfip]

New to MX Browns. I mean, it is okay for me. Just kinda regretting getting I didn't go with reds specifically with how people are slandering brown switches. Haha. Although, in my opinion, if it works and fits your tastes, you shouldn't be bothered.

[@李世民-z7n]

8:03 song JayJen & Enine - Fun Times

[@aksium_]

I only changed out my outemu blues on my first keyboard because they were quadruple typing, or not typing at all.

[@trofchik9488]

Insurgency? I see you are man of culture as well :)

[@carlangelo653]

I never understood why insurgency isn't as popular as other shooter games. It's a really great game.

[@Chunkosaurus]

I'm glad to hear gateron yellows get a shout-out great switch

[@dreadlock17]

Lmao *laughs in kailh box navy blue

[@santiagorestrepo9504]

Fellow Kailh box partner. I almost bought Navy's but I thought they would probably be to heavy so I got jades.

[@dreadlock17]

@@santiagorestrepo9504 ahh, a man of culture as well

[@mr.epic001]

@@santiagorestrepo9504 Are the navys really that heavy? Also how do you like the Jades? I heard that the response of the Jades on the way back up aren't as sharp as the navys. I am kinda split between those two switches lol

[@santiagorestrepo9504]

@@mr.epic001 To be totally honest, my switches arrive in a week, so I for sure don't know yet, but I have investigated and the Jades and navys have the same click bar but different springs. For what I have seen the return is OK and very few times does it get stuck (again, from research, not personal testing) I ordered 70 jades, 10 navys and some other switches so when they arrive I will report back.

[@mr.epic001]

@@santiagorestrepo9504 Sounds good man! Hopefully the Jades getting stuck won't be the case.

[@saikrishankumar]

Fantastic video, this is something I have been looking for.

[@skycorrigan6511]

Any love for Zealios v2's?

[@HeSo_71]

My fav switch yet

[@spidermain]

Just built my first board: Zealio V2 67g with TADA68.

[@skycorrigan6511]

@@spidermain I am patiently waiting for my Tofu 60 kit to come in the mail form KBDFans. I cannot wait to try the V2's!!!!

[@KevinJohnMulligan]

Which are the best options for silent but tactile? I want tactile feedback without making a noise 🤣

[@SOOH27]

I can list a bunch off the top of my head. Kailh box Razer Massdrop Zeal PC Gateron Ink I do like cherry switches, but the ones I listed are just leagues better

[@tyler94302]

razer and massdrop lmfao

[@Amusia727]

Razer memes. Someone needs to watch a Chryosran22 video...

[@xenyso]

Razer?? What are you on buddy?

[@libra8615]

Razer LULW

[@nofreebeer]

Massdrop is kaihua which is also kaihl. Razer is alright if you want to talk their Optomechanical switch (god they could do without that sharp ugly click though). Libra LK I would dare also mention.

[@__sn]

Hey, loved the video, what do you think is the best tactile switch that doesn't cost too much (Around $30-40)?

[@0name933]

Outemu Ice/Sky.

[@OsuFlade]

Aliaz

[@AD34534]

I prefer outemu blues over cherry blues

[@harpskid]

0:25 As someone who has used cherry, gateron, outemu, kaylh, etc, they all pretty much feel comparable, why do people hate outemu switches? I especially like their box switches (the ones that have a gap on the top and bottom)

[@Donbros]

No they aren't. They are just made with good q&a. However their main disadvantage that they are having not very nice feel. And that's big disadvantage. For instance: I bought anne pro 2 with gateron reds and one key is acting weirdly so I will replace it. But men the feel is so good that I am going to try resolder the switch XD When I bought mx speed ones they worked perfectly out of the bix. But outemu also worked perfectly out of the box XD but yeah : Cherry mx just has good Q&A

[@CharlesHydronium]

bla bla bla marketing bullcrap bla bla bla

[@9393andersson]

But what about buckling spring? Like in the IBM Model M

[@redpanda2335]

Still got a membrane keyboard 😅

[@AsianAnimeRuLe]

are boxed switches finally fixed now as to where we can put some GMK sets on them without having to worry about the stems stretching or breaking ?

[@kunkundalin]

Yep

[@TaeKeyboards]

yep, fixed quite a while ago now

[@EDXVA]

Gateron Inks :) Outemu switches are VERY unreliable, they break a lot, doubletap etc.

[@MARUKU]

Hey, excellent video ! I hear you mentioned scratchy switches numerous time and, while I think I understand what it is, I struggle to define it to friends when recommending switches, or keyboards for that matter. So, what makes a switch scratchy, exactly ? Thank you very much !

[@nu3566]

friction during keypress is noticeable when smoother switches or lubed are barely noticeable put them side by side with smoother switches, you can feel the difference

[@whazzup1990]

Laurent Vic So which one is smooth and tactile????

[@boygenius538_8]

Usman Munir a tactile can be smooth, tactility is a physical mechanism in the switch giving a noticeable bump, kinda like a click but less noise. Smoothness is just the feeling friction, or lack there of, between the switch and its housing

[@sadmemeboi]

"synomynous"

[@okietokki]

I want to buy a Ducky one 2 mini keyboard and their options for switches are all Cherry MX. Kinda wish they have more other options and maybe hot swappable in the future

[@marcusfranse1376]

You should look at novelkeys cream switches

[@okietokki]

@@marcusfranse1376 I know them even before, the problem is I'm fixated on buying the ducky one 2 mini, and there switch options are only limited to cherry mx switches.

[@EggplantHarmesan]

*giggles in Kailh BOX White*

[@fejr4758]

Should i buy gk61 with yellow optical switches for little click And linear or optical blues idk i like the blue click but yellows are faster help me please what is better with what