Are Compact 60% Keyboards Good?

[@AndyVNguyen]

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[@beaubastion]

For anyone really turned off by the lack of dedicated arrow keys, there are a fair number of 65% keyboards

[@smartmeis]

I got a 65 but I find myself needing the numpad in a few games I play, plus I need f1-12 for other games. I hate remapping lol

[@2nd_boiledtea867]

Not in iso layout tho :(

[@beaubastion]

@@2nd_boiledtea867 while I can't relate you have my sympathy, friend 😔

[@2nd_boiledtea867]

@@beaubastion i mean i like 65% i use iso de layout and i dont find to much of them

[@antw0ny]

damn, underrated channel, this video made me decide to buy a 60%

[@AndyVNguyen]

Thank you zyngo! What board did you end up going with?

[@antw0ny]

Andy V Nguyen GMMK Glorious Compact. I love it and the extra desk space. Also, when swapping out switches, I need to pay less money

[@AndyVNguyen]

@@antw0ny Great choice! Consider upgrading and/or tuning the stabilizers on that thing and you'll have an amazing starter hotswap board.

[@antw0ny]

@@AndyVNguyen sounds good 👍

[@EinstienJr]

@@antw0ny Hey how does it work out in case of gaming etc?

[@kechi122]

This video answered every question I had about 60% keyboards. Thank you!

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

This comment answered every question I had about the video. Thank you

[@summerpinguin6273]

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 This Reaction answered every question I had about thid comment. Thank you!

[@zyxzz]

@@summerpinguin6273 This reply answered every question i had in life. Thank you!

[@hqzzard]

@@zyxzz This reply to a reply on a comment on a youtube video helped me find out everything in the universe

[@tjmethven2074]

This is a great video super helpful, I just got my first 60 keyboard and I'm still learning how to use the remapped keys. I don't know what some of the keys like "G6" mean or like "PU" or "PD" I still have some more learning ahead of me but I'm making some good progress with my knowledge base.

[@Auraphyne]

Hey thank you so much I was searching for a video like this and it's perfect, i am gonna get a 60 keyboard now gk61 gateron yellow

[@SuperKMao]

This popped up on my KZbin feed today. You've come a long way dude.

[@brandonr27]

I just got mine, and it honestly feels much better than my full-sized keyboard. I have noticed zero lag, and it is perfectly usable for pc gaming.

[@AndyVNguyen]

nice! the hardest thing for people to get used to is just the arrows mainly

[@zyxzz]

@@AndyVNguyen F1-F12 with me

[@T16skyhopp]

Best arrow layout for me, is if you use the bottom right key as FN, then you can hold that with your pinky and alt, win, ctrl and ? become arrows.

[@MyurrDurr]

Recently got a Alloy Origins 60 and I really love it! I'm still trying to get used to using the desktop switching shortcut in Windows with this layout!

[@altodomino7859]

Very comprehensive video my friend

[@kobusdewet]

Great video! Thanks so much!

[@Misfirem]

Had to revisit this one for the culture

[@AndyVNguyen]

my origin story

[@PatrickPGriego]

Thanks for clearing it up. I just bought the new Keychron K8 TKL keyboard and then I started doing a lot of mechanical keyboard research and I’m considering a custom build. It’s been hard to hear some opinions on how to deal without arrow keys.

[@AndyVNguyen]

in the smaller boards without arrow keys, arrow keys are mapped to IJKL. it's actually not that bad when you get used to it.

[@1030k]

thats very informative... thanks. 1st time using 60% keyboard also

[@AndyVNguyen]

I use 60% keyboards primarily now

[@Robert.a._]

A good 60% would be the K65 60% RGB keyboard from Corsair. They have cherry MX speed silver switches and in my opinion, the best looking 60% keyboard. However, I decided to go TKL, with the G915 TKL in tactile switches.

[@rajjethwa7163]

Nah a good 60% would be a hot swappable one , where switches can be changed nearly the same as changing keycaps. Just buy switches , no need to buy another keyboard eveyrtime

[@MoinMeister_187]

So i was originally going to get a TKL but after this video I felt like going for a 65 since I dont need the numpad but I would still want the arrow keys. Really nice review, helped me making my decision a lot easier :)

[@chandupaperera44]

But it will be harder to find good keycaps to fit for 65 .

[@MoinMeister_187]

@@chandupaperera44 So far I've stuck with the standard ones idk its been fine so no worries about that atm

[@chandupaperera44]

@@MoinMeister_187 i recommend you to upgrade to a PBT keycap set. they are a lot high quility than ABS. my recommendation is 65% pbt pudding keycaps. but yea its ok if you stick to the stock one but a 60% will definitely have more good looking keycaps.

[@Trylifelilbro]

Is arrow keys important?

[@MoinMeister_187]

​@@Trylifelilbro Not really, but theyre convenient if you have used them before, like for skipping in Videos/streams etc.

[@byroxkdk7056]

i recently got a fantech maxfit61 60% keyboard. And i am struggling to remap the capslock+IJKL to arrow keys. I am fairly new to mechanical keyboards so i couldn't understand most of the terminologies when searching about it on the web. What can I use to remap em?

[@keymot1491]

How can I access the f1-f12 or even the esc key? cuz i use volume up-volume down bright up-bright down all the time I’m thinking about buying rk71 and this is the only turn off for me

[@adminbosskiller4010]

I don’t have an answer to your question, but I’m here to say that there is an esc button on 60% keyboards, I have thought about the different types, and I’m actually getting a Full size keyboard than can turn into a TKL keyboard.

[@AndyVNguyen]

F1 through F12 are layered using a function key.

[@prospectorstudios]

2021 here, interesting to see you pre-rabbithole

[@AndyVNguyen]

blast from the past

[@aguy2765]

I'm probably the one of the only people that does this but I got rid of having a number pad because I solely only use MMO mice. Reason being is because I have my whole top row of numbers or number keypad in the palm of my hand, literally, whenever I want. If only there were other choices for MMO mice other than Corsair and Razer that looked more aesthetically pleasing and didn't have a logo slapped right in the middle of it lol.

[@SoraTheKobold]

Tbh all the games I play either don't use arrow keys or have a controller option I use instead so I'm really considering getting one of these

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool, arrows keys are important and more efficient but interesting some have mastered the shortcut keys for the arrow keys. Not a fan of 3rd function in one key (two functions is best, three's a crowd, as they say) using the FN combo. Apple's Magic Keyboard did the w/ arrow keys still but still at 60% keyboard best, though I think manufacturers of 60% like Apple could make it taller so the keys have more space and can have more keys at the top, plus make the arrows keys larger. Apple's Magic Keyboard is one of the best keyboards (also saves the planet by optimizing the materials used) which'll also allow the enter key could be twice as big in the L shape, like keyboards from before. God bless.

[@nguyenhoangminhtrung2779]

I have an Akko Mod005 fully mod at home for gaming, works. But my daily driver is actually a modded Anne Pro 2 with Tealios V2 because it's lighter, smaller, and more muted for the office.

[@astralalex4888]

I just bought a hyper x 60%. Really looking forward to trying it, I’m coming from an apple magic keyboard so it sounds the best for me when moving to pc for apex & Final Fantasy XIV… Sick video bro

[@Missingnin69]

Where it all started... I love seeing the gradual descent into the rabbithole (tho fr the blogs were cool)

[@AndyVNguyen]

They were fun for a time, but no one really watched them lol

[@cagedtigersteve]

I use my Esc, The ~ the functions, Scroll lock and print screen buttons. I don't use the Pause/Break that often.

[@nerdbit84]

Great video! Congrats

[@AndyVNguyen]

Thanks!

[@seanmoore4721]

Very helpful

[@dylanangkw]

I've been worried as I really use arrow keys, but you have helped me to realize it's still okay. As I'm building a keyboard, I'm thinking of buying the Tofu60!

[@kevinchen1634]

depending on Ur pcb u can prob still have arrow keys if u need

[@mainly_dyutish9]

So underrated channel I just subscribed I am going to buy keychrone K2 V2 but one girl ytber said it doesn't worth it in 2021 so I though of getting geek sk64

[@aritgon9763]

is 60% good for learning programming and lil bit of photoshop or gimp editing?

[@AndyVNguyen]

a TKL would be better IMO

[@HikingFeral]

60 percenters are my fave and I am trying my best to adapt to them when playing mmo's with large amounts of skills like ff14, I have no easy to press function keys and no numpad, so have been binding a lot of letters not in use. I don't want to have to swap back.

[@AndyVNguyen]

Honestly if I have to play an MMO I’d grab a 75% lol.

[@matcentrino7602]

60% Keyboard are just better. Especially the looks. For my keyboard. I'm using the RK61. Which is the best layout for 60%

[@account8494]

Is it cheaper to buy a 60% keyboard or to buy all the parts and assemble it on my own?

[@AndyVNguyen]

a prebuilt 60% will be cheaper but wont be as good as a custom 60%

[@trantung2237]

I’m new to custom keyboard and I’m just wondering how can I customize my keys in a custom keyboard that doesn’t have a software for itself?

[@AndyVNguyen]

There’s software you can download to remap. The limitation is that it only works while you have the program active

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

Autohotkey

[@ilikehiking]

I have a 60% keyboard but I ended up never really using it even after programming it properly with modifiers/layers. It's just too much of a compromise in productivity imo. I've tried 60/65/75/tkl and 75% ended up being the sweetspot for me.

[@AndyVNguyen]

definitely, i often switch to a bigger board for when i'm working

[@Flipped_In]

i still hit the side of my keyboard with a 65% lol

[@AndyVNguyen]

damn your sens must be superrr low lol. prob need to angle too

[@liepziede]

I need arrow keys to play firegirl waterboy.

[@rave90210]

Can’t u customise controls??

[@hiaumiau]

@@rave90210 yep you can.

[@TopPalmTree]

I buy one today and I happy

[@ollia69]

I bought one today and I am happy* 😃🤝🏻

[@smartmeis]

I hate remapping keys, lol I need my f1-12 and number pad. The 1800 layout is best. But I bought a 65% cause my rk100 broke. But I’m looking at new pcbs cause I miss my 35ng gateron white keys.

[@acantha2615]

I play mmos so for me the lack of the f1 etc buttons is a big minus. but I really don't need the number pad and arrows. I agree with the arguments mentioned in the video. it takes up too much space. I bought my first keyboard 3 years ago and back then I honestly had no clue what I'm doing. I have green switches and oh god the space bar x.x... I'm kinda torn. don't want to purchase a new keyboard and then have restrictions

[@AndyVNguyen]

there's 75% keyboards available, check those out!

[@acantha2615]

@@AndyVNguyen I literally just found that out haha thank you for your help!

[@smievil]

it's kind of convenient to have arrow keys with jkl buttons, but sometimes it gets clunky, similar combinations of keys may have other functions.

[@AndyVNguyen]

Def true. If I need to get fancy with those I honestly… change keyboards to a bigger size lol

[@jowee147]

Just bought a 60% bc I had a tkl for years and loved the extra space plus can't use a numpad anyway so I figured I might as well take the plunge now I'm stuck trying to figure out entirely new hotkey layouts for my rts games and Diablo 2 :(

[@AndyVNguyen]

I usually try to do alt+# for those games

[@Disharmony]

There are some 60% PCBs with arrow keys (unofficially referred to as 63%).

[@kickskii]

I have big ass desk So I have two keyboards one a 60% and one a full size I use the full size for macros and the numpad when needed and 60% when I need to do everything else

[@ianhua4277]

my personal favourite 60% keyboard is the Razer huntsmen mini

[@thaylon1626]

Alguém sabe como digitar aspas duplas e um teclado 60% no padrão Abnt 1?

[@backoo9660]

For first. Speak english in english video or no one will respond

[@gambitgambitgambit]

65% is the sweet spot, i personally dont understand why someone would go for less than this but fair play if you can make it work

[@LuccDev]

In my case it was because the 65% or TKL was out of stock lel

[@varifity5011]

Can anyone help me out, if i buy a 60% keyboard do i have to plug a new one in to use f1 keys

[@AndyVNguyen]

You use layers for f keys

[@andrewweber3286]

I feel like I could maybe get used to not having Arrow keys, but I feel like I use delete a lot when I’m working. Losing that might be a bigger issue

[@AndyVNguyen]

Yeah I agree with you. I try to map it under backspace usually

[@siwkskwkekems224]

I dont like 60% keyboards because they dont have the actual F keys and it annoys me i dont wanna press FN everytime especially because some of my keybinds are the F keys makes it difficult in game

[@AndyVNguyen]

Definitely a valid reason to want f keys

[@siwkskwkekems224]

@@AndyVNguyen yeah if i could just get rid of the numpad and arrow keys but keep the F keys i would

[@bn31l91]

@@siwkskwkekems224 umm there is one way to get the f keys but no numpad its the 75% keyboard you should get it

[@Mirsab]

Thanks, interested in getting a 60 now. I wanted a TKL but with red switches or at least brown but blue switches are the one I keep finding 😭. So decided to compromise and go with 60 for reds.

[@tyvampn]

i use 60 cuz my hands small as shit lmao

[@Spirals_]

Thank you i was looking for a new keyboard and I was worried if I got the 60% keyboard I wanted I wouldent be able to use many things since I didnt have f1-f12 Forgot i could macro them.

[@AndyVNguyen]

yeah! definitely. 60% looks daunting but it's not too bad if you take some time to learn it

[@aust1nio]

How do you use the f1 keys extra

[@AndyVNguyen]

Hold a function key and hit the numrow. Function+1 = F1, Function+2 = F2, and so on.

[@VickyGYT]

I am not a big fan of 60%. I like 75% keyboards more because they work equally well on Win and Mac OSes

[@zx6972]

I would prefer a 65 or a 75. The arrow keys are so useful in writing documents

[@AndyVNguyen]

i usually map the arrow keys on a second layer and it's not too difficult. but that's definitely a valid point

[@alchercraft7014]

And my question just one How to press the @?

[@AndyVNguyen]

shift + 2 like.. anyone other keyboard

[@jov1645]

i duno why but i type very slow on 60% percent keyboard lol

[@AndyVNguyen]

lol that's weird.. it's the same keys layout for the alphas

[@jov1645]

@@AndyVNguyen the first coment are wrote on 60% keyboard and it realy broken right? (lol). i think it happened because i have pretty long fingers and no palm rest

[@anthonyt1t5]

I never used the number keys, and rarely used the arrow keys and even f keys. So i think 60 percent suits me alot. All i do is write and watch youtube anyways

[@ryanholmes7431]

How do u use the @ button

[@AndyVNguyen]

Using shift… like every keyboard in the world? lol

[@brobber05]

well im convinced! lol

[@AndyVNguyen]

Since this video the technology for em has blown up lol

[@brobber05]

@@AndyVNguyen true

[@Zukua_]

1:13 the lamp moves

[@TuberzTv]

Yeah, I've been looking at it, for the whole video xD

[@tyundays]

It didn’t move, it’s just a cut between scenes and he probably adjusted ot

[@idkwhoiam8232]

The function keys is the main things.

[@stoiandavidandrei2232]

how i use arrow keys

[@AndyVNguyen]

They’re usually under a layer. You hold a key and you press other keys to do arrows

[@spitfire7914]

@@AndyVNguyen damn, then it must be difficult to play games without arrow keys

[@tej8455]

1:37 minecraft player am i a joke to u ?

[@baldclaim]

Gta sanAndreas uses the no. Pad

[@AndyVNguyen]

you can buy a separate numpad if you really want but yeah some games don't really work with a 60%

[@jimmyhopkins1]

Only for flying vehicles so just use a controller when flying and stuff .

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

get a keyboard with layers. all the OEM keyboards are lousy imo. corsair, razer, logitech, whatever, they are all overpriced, are not ergonomic, and lack layers. if you care about ergonomics, you probably want a split keyboard with tenting. if you're used to qwerty or dvorak, then get a UHK 60 v2 or an ergodox. I've heard some good things about kinesis boards. same with the ZSA moonlander. those are all good options. in the long term you would probably benefit from graduating to an ortholinear keyboard. or a keyboard with curved keywells like the dactyl manuform. there are a lot of examples on the ErgoMechKeyboards subreddit

[@roninstormYT]

i own a 60% royal kludge 60% keyboard they suck assss owning my for 4 years now i am seeing the flaws the keyboard is starting not too work the red light is flickering so my board is goign bad my usb cable does not work sometimes. some keys are causing my too have input delay in games making my precedence worse when i used too used a 10 tkl keyboard those was my best time in gaming cause i never had problems with my 10 tkl keyboard but when i moved on too my 605 keyboard i know there problems and flaus i been tricky by the internet and big KZbinr influencers. who told lies about these smaller size keyboards . i miss my 10 tkl keyboard i tend too go back to my tkl keyboard over my 60% my 60% is dying and not working anymore .

[@AndyVNguyen]

sounds like a single situation in which one 60% board (a very cheap one) started falling apart. Has nothing to do with the form factor but rather the manufacturer.

[@sadmanrakin]

You have been using it for 4 years! its normal it would start to show flaws

[@loganpierce4070]

I cant focus on the content itself😭

[@stofaa_]

unless you paly starcraft 2 lol

[@adgeifc]

Themoreyouknow

[@Me-tp6ll]

I dont like 60% mostly i use f1 keys and 1234 and I cant On the 60% keyboard

[@kampikammio]

just get 65%

[@niggblehlm5818]

Weird gripe but you blink too much. Can't seem to pay attention to the video.

[@galoafy2565]

Nervous habit I think, most people have it

[@loganpierce4070]

I cant focus on the content itself😭