ARE ENGLAND RIGHT TO KEEP SOUTHGATE? 🤔🔥 Simon Jordan and Martin Keown HEATED debate!

Gareth Southgate is staying on as manager of England. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown discuss!
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[@JPlayerL10]

The Mourinho of 10 years ago would call Southgate "a Specialist in Failure".

[@Coys01]

The Perfecto comment !

[@fusionsuper]

I already labelled Southgate that already. Wenger doesn't deserve that label anymore.

[@louislim2004]

@@fusionsuper wenger won trophies, what has southgate won? Nothing.

[@ahrothgar8513]

I don’t think England could’ve done what France did in that final.

[@chipbuttytime3396]

Lose and concede 3, yeah they could

[@daviddolan3317]

Lose on penalties in a final?...fairly sure they could

[@paulbeach5060]

I think A hrothgar means come back from a 2 goal deficit, I know England couldn't as they weren't able to come back from a 1 goal deficit.

[@apollocreed5391]

Totally agree, I love England, yes we played OK against France, but they were simply better than us, sg should go, he won't. We can be a better team in 2 years but it's still going to take a bit of luck to win it!

[@ahrothgar8513]

@@paulbeach5060 I really don’t think Southgate would’ve made the changes needed when they were needed as well

[@ffiladeys7093]

Just look at the changes Deschamps did in the WC final. He took out Giroud in the first half and Griezmann & Dembele early in the 2nd half to chase the game. These 3 were his key players all tournament. Those subs who were young and did not/barely played in the tournament so far changed the game. Southgate would never. THAT is the difference. Southgate is neat. He picks the best XI and set them up to play well but he does not know how to change the game if it goes wrong.

[@subculture2006]

I think you give him to much credit. He has no clue about tactics, team selection or in game management. Terrible manager.

[@ajvindiesel8517]

Bang on! Southgate is a good man manager but football -wise he seems clueless and scared and stubborn.

[@gaving9041]

He took Giroud & Dembele off on 40 minutes I believe. Giroud threw a fit on the sideline throwing a water bottle. Does Deschamps care? No, because his job is to compete and win, not to coddle his favorite players and tell them everything will be OK. This is why France have been in 3 tournament finals since 2016 and will probably be there or thereabouts in 2024.

[@9dicko]

Exactly same as the Dutch did against Argentina. He would never of done what the Dutch manager did.

[@ayeniazeez9528]

I agree with you 101%Southgate is just an average manager look at it, would City or Liverpool take him

[@RealMadrid15UCLs]

Southgate is the only international manager who gets praises for losing

[@reddev96]

The worst part is all these sides like Germany etc that are clearly in a transitional period bringing youth into the setup will be up and running by the time Southgate leaves. There has never been a better/easier time for England to win a tournament and we are going to waste this small window with southgate.

[@Coastsandcoasters]

That’s why he is still in the job. He keeps the noise outside the FA offices down.

[@asifalir]

@@reddev96 True. Germany, Spain, Italy are in transition period. France look like they will be favourites for next 5-10 years with Mbappe. It is only gonna get tougher and GS haven't won against comparable teams on paper yet.

[@danmitchell1955]

@Hayder Al-Mohammad yet Strauss was a brilliant England captain and did good job as head of men cricket brought about original changes that helped England win World Cup in cricket . Kp was good scorer but once he stopped doing that he became negative issue

[@yorkshirelad346]

Every team but one lost only one winner , 2 - 1 to France is no shame . Name me an England manager who as done better apart from 1966

[@townsjim]

Very predictable that Martin would defend his mate Gareth.

[@leonhughes9014]

he lets Gareth use his wife

[@markwatkins8309]

I think Martin comes across far better on Talk Sport in conversation than he ever does on co-commentary on TV.

[@davidbadder272]

Martin's defence is not very convincing. The question was "so Martin we will win the Europeans in 2024, yes?" The response " we hope so Jim". There is the reason we will lose again under Southgate, we don't believe we can win. I don't believe we can win under Southgate, but ask me the same question at any time and my response will be It's coming home. Just like the last 3 competitions under Southgate...... The man is wholly average, at some point in an important game you have to gamble to win. Think ahead of the game. Southgate is unable to think like that. His record on the choice of players and the timing of substitutions is not just bad, it's abysmal. He is cautious to a fault, result we're always too late.

[@jamiebloor2064]

Martin always taking notes and still coming back with absolute shite constantly 😂

[@chriskelly6709]

Clearly an act. Fake. He's probably doodling pictures of him and Simon as best mates

[@Adam-sd2ow]

@@chriskelly6709 Playing Noughts and Crosses with himself and still losing

[@chriskelly6709]

@@Adam-sd2ow lol perfect!

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Martin 'The Scholar' Keown

[@5H4K490]

Southgate has set the stage for divides to form again in the England camp, hes shown these past 6 years that he has a preference for certain players and he will continue to pick them regardless of their form and out of pure loyalty to him and disregard younger players who are doing well but require tactical changes that are beyond him to make. Those players that have been snubbed this far will either start snubbing the call ups or come in and cause infighting in future camps.

[@johnnyhock]

Spot on… If I was Trent I’d be telling him to do one…. Trent could have had a nice holiday with his girlfriend during the World Cup instead of sitting on Southgate’s bench knowing Southgate had no intention of playing him. They get precious little holiday time as it is, season ends mid June, new season starts first week of August so that’s 6 weeks reduced to about 3 weeks because of pre season tour / training, per year ! I would say to Southgate, I just want to concentrate on my club football thanks

[@marksmarsh2039]

@@johnnyhock Is Trent Alexander better than Trippier?

[@Nightsu]

hes doing exactly what ole did at united with player preferences but in an easier environment because everyone is english

[@martymarl4602]

Notice the French coach doesn't have favs...the way he pulled off giroud and greizman before halftime was shocking...Southgate is too much of a gentleman to do that and that's why he'll never win

[@supermancd1988]

@@marksmarsh2039no chance.

[@AshBashSneakers]

Saying Southgate developed these players is ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!

[@ianjackson8371]

Mean while the French are looking to bring in Zidane (Real Madrid) we are sticking with Southgate sacked by Middlesbrough.

[@johnnyhock]

Ahh But he DID get England relegated from the Nations League too 👍

[@marksmarsh2039]

zidane who is French so thats good that France are sticking to having French managers as managers of their national team. What Englishman do you think should be manager of England instead of Southgate?

[@michaelglass1911]

@@marksmarsh2039 Steve Bruce would be hilarious.

[@ianjackson8371]

@@marksmarsh2039 Eddie Howe, Graham Potter

[@marksmarsh2039]

@@ianjackson8371 yeah and i'd go Potter over Howe. What he did at Brighton was amazing. Bringing World cup Macallister there too. Howe is a top boss too but he's a lot more funds to help at Newcastle

[@cjwill9920]

Jim White's face when Keown says "I think it's refreshed him" 😳🤣

[@Scepticool1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@reddev96]

The fact there are still people out there thinking he's the right man for the job is as sad as it is hilarious. Can't wait to repeat this insane cycle of knowing he isn't good enough, failing at the tournament and then renewing his contract/him staying on as manager. Hopefully for those left thinking he's the right man for the job you'll finally see sense in 2024 even if it means we waste another golden opportunity.

[@BrandonSmith-ct5rz]

You know you have to remember that only one team can win it each time. Please explain why you think anything but a win deserves a sacking?

[@effortlessGFX]

@user-tu4gb3pi1m - the absolute worst mentality you can have. The sport is about winning. You’re probably a Spurs fan so we’ll let you off.

[@reddev96]

@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz oh cheers I had no idea that was the case thanks for clearing that up. The reason he should be sacked is not because he hasn't won it, its because he is completely tactically inept. He gets the starting lineup wrong as well as in game management. He's a reactionary manager and if you want to see what a good manager does in these tough games go and watch the final last night and the decisions the French manager made to change the game. In every tournament under southgate he has made the wrong decision at crucial points and some of them don't even make any sense like using sterling who's been away from the camp dealing with a break in. A competent manager would beat France in that game we had with them. You also have to remember that these big nations, that use to dominate these tournaments like Germany etc, are all in transitional periods trying to bring the youth into their setup and there will never be an easier time to win a tournament with our squad vs these other nations.

[@thewatcher4718]

@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz 4x wins out of 10 against top 10 sides thats a start for u.

[@JRW1886]

@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz what a ridiculous thing to say 🤣🤣🤣…..imagine using that as an excuse for failure 🤣

[@Alvicado]

How in the hell can Martin say they played 4-3-3 with great success????

[@kevinlawrence2849]

Matin keown must have friends in high places,how this man has a job in the media is really beyond me 😆 🤣

[@Adam-sd2ow]

He makes Garth Crooks look alive.

[@petermurtagh6294]

He,s a yes man really nice guy but the main thing is he specialises in being nice taking knee and LOSING

[@lucbailey896]

never heard martin keown talk so much waffle regarding southgate especially considering hes a winner himself!

[@chriskelly6709]

Always does

[@citizensarrest8263]

Southgate is the only manager who gets rewarded for failure

[@alipanroosendaal9503]

If my maths are correct he earns 100k per week. I would do it for 100k per year.

[@marksmarsh2039]

before he took over we were completely terrible in so many ways

[@daviel1005]

Not the only manager. You're forgetting Arteta. Similar situation actually, they gave him a contract before the last few crunch games instead of waiting until the end of the season, and hey presto arsenal collapsed, and they stuck by him and spent a record amount in the summer transfer window. And this is after consecutive 8th place finishes, unheard of for Arsenal.

[@alipanroosendaal9503]

@@marksmarsh2039 Southgate has seemingly provided stability, attempted to create a club atmosphere within the group, and has not flopped at tournaments. However, he will never be the person to take them to the next level. We all know he will lose with dignity again when we meet strong opposition in 2024. Still, he will be £8M richer and be able to put his kids through university, which will be nice, wont it (?)

[@marksmarsh2039]

@@alipanroosendaal9503 tad cynical . Well like you said has provided stability , attempted to create club atmosphere and has not flopped so maybe not as bad as everybody is saying. Losing to Croatia , Italy and France never an unheard of thing for any country. Even Argentina. And it was after all in a penalty shoot out we lost to Italy whilst the other two matches were close 2-1 defeats. Maybe we expect much too much here. I don't know. Thought we were much better than France at times although we could tighten up a bit at the back otherwise we will always have to dominate teams with a goal disadvantage

[@richardpyne03]

Martin Keown has a strange definition of "great success".

[@roberthowe2910]

He.s a muppet

[@PaYaB_005]

Yep, great success would be winning 2/3 tournaments..

[@MrJevman]

The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[@chrisinnes4706]

England beat Iran and Wales, drew with the USA and lost to France. Why does Martin Keown think that's as good tournament?

[@pauloc8988]

Don't forget about the mighty Senegal.....England have not beaten a team ranked above them in a tournament since.........

[@gy6078]

Worse decision then electing Liz Truss

[@BlauveltBurns]

England and Keown in full blown panic mode…

[@winterbird4447]

Another 18 months of waisting Englands greatest attacking talent in Trent.

[@kevinlawrence2849]

Na sorry the muppet can't defend,jog on you muppet.

[@MrSitemaster2]

That's the problem we want him to defend properly.

[@perk70]

@@MrSitemaster2 attack is the best form of defence!

[@MrSitemaster2]

@@perk70 That's why he ain't in the team.

[@perk70]

@@MrSitemaster2 He's won everything in English football. Not bad for a fella that's just turned 24 and can't defend..hahaha

[@AJP321]

Morocco's manager had 3 months to prepare his team for the World Cup. Southgate has had 6 years. Expect more of the same from England moving forward.

[@iainrae6159]

It is hoped that the other European nations will have the grace to allow England to win in 2024. It is so annoying Spaim, Germany, Portugal, Belgium and France still continue to have the temerity of playing to win.

[@jb894]

Belgium are terrible now and have won f all

[@mattadders9819]

Look forward to digging up these vids in 18 months when we’ve been knocked out of the Euro’s ( if we qualify that is 😳) . I bet the conversations will be almost identical! 😢

[@jb894]

We have a fantastic record of qualifying for major tournaments in the last 20 years. We are great at that just terrible at tournaments.

[@mattadders9819]

Euro 2008 slipped your mind there pal? 😆

[@jb894]

@@mattadders9819 that's one tournament in 12 so we qualified for 92% of tournaments.

[@mattadders9819]

Fantastic isn’t the phrase I’d use. To me, England as a major football nation qualification is bare minimum expectation. Southgate is definitely your man !

[@davedennison7386]

As a lifelong Arsenal fan, I loved Keowns attitude but he sounds like a fully paid up member of the old boys club( and he aint the only one)..if they ain't got the bottle to criticise then they are in the wrong job...

[@KindaKhul0205]

“Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser”. That’s Gareth Southgate.

[@winterbird4447]

Clubs develop players. Not national teams.

[@andrewdickinson1981]

4 from 24 in top 10 competitive matches. he's wasting out best chances now.

[@Themunkeymac]

"He's proved himself against the world's big teams". In competitive competition he's been beat by said teams. Not sure what Keown is going on about? These defeats might of had a touch of misfortune involved but they've also had a touch of mismanagement.

[@fredsflintstone3702]

Can someone explain to me that development argument. These players develop at their club, not in the squads of their national teams.

[@viewlesscheese]

The problem with Southgate staying is that he has his favourites and don't see other players given a chance regardless of well they are playing cos his "team" haven't let him down. Maguire might have done OK but who's to say we might have done better with another pairing at the back. Southgate is predictible I can't see Maddison playing.

[@KMWhity]

Good point. Argentina started with lautaro Martinez as striker however he struggled and got replaced by Alvarez.

[@danielcrane3648]

never let him down if that was the case we would have won the trophy

[@PeacockRhino]

I hope I’m wrong but I can see exactly how the next two years will go. We’ll probably qualify easily for the Euros against garbage opposition and get promoted out of the Nations League second division. The media will tell us it’s coming home and Southgate is amazing. We’ll get to the Euro quarter final after playing poor teams and the moment we play a half decent side will be dumped out. A promising generation wasted.

[@emilpindur9400]

Yep, 100% correct. But what Southgate does that other people don't do is manage the media like a gentleman. His woke politics keep the FA and media on side, so, it's okay for him to fail, because he fails so nicely...

[@marksmarsh2039]

Even if we do qualify easily for the euro's against ' garbage opposition ' we will have qualified and that's a good thing. Have you not been around when England has not qualified for a major tournament? That is the time to complain. Just look at Italy . Wonderful at the Euro's and they win it but then fail to qualify for World Cup finals. There is no 'garbage opposition'. As you will have witnessed at the world cup unfancied teams are getting more tactically aware all the time. Saudi Arabia is prime example of this. You would have called for Southgate's head if England had lost to Saudi Arabia wouldn't you?

[@madmarvelmultitasker2655]

Bang on!!

[@NeilCheesman]

Let's be honest, any half-decent manager could have achieved what Southgate did at the world cup...

[@kevinpillay6103]

Let's all give Gareth lovely pat on the back . Stable guy and good job he is doing. This talented group of players need to be challenged and pushed not praised for giving France a game in the QF. Ruthlessness and drive needed by Southgate to succeed

[@shogun0810]

Something he doesn't have. England needs a man in the dressing room. Not some limp wristed prat who's concerned about bending the knee and rainbows. Cringe.

[@davidedwards1336]

Southgate? I wouldn't let him manage port Vale, no offence port Vale.

[@leonhughes9014]

as long as they all get along and aware of BLM and LQBQT people are happy

[@jackreacher5667]

@@leonhughes9014 So weak and feeble, and desperate to win they didn't even protest. Perhaps they knew how poor they were and backed down.

[@leonhughes9014]

@@davidedwards1336 tbf its his level

[@ducati916SPS]

Simon is right on this and he'll be right tomorrow as well.....honest opinion on everything tbh. Best listen on Talk Sport.

[@davidjames1377]

Martin saying we can go toe to toe with the best in the world? Really? I haven't seen that.

[@johnrice3882]

He should be in charge forever and ever and ever. The rest of the world loves him.

[@tonyemeka5752]

Absolutely on point lol

[@dixienormous4394]

Have to agree 100% with Simon, I expect exactly the same outcome at the Euros. It shouldn't have been Southgate's decision to hang on for another £5m a year until 2024, the FA should have grown a pair and got rid

[@CIC77]

Problem was England FA giving him extension on his contract. It going to be a wasted 😪 next international tournament like it was this Worldcup!!

[@jun3078]

Belgium was loyal and stable with Martinez as well, look what it got them.

[@Slo-ryde]

Simon is spot on!

[@Mike-dk7wj]

England haven't got a hope with St. Gareth any differently than Man Utd with St. Ole. Same thing will happen in the Euros as previously. Keogh is living in a dream world.

[@johnneil14]

Can't wait to get knocked out of the quarter-finals at the Euros.

[@ash_classicphysique]

He's taken them as far as they can go under him. Need to take them to next level, get a manager who will instill ruthlessness in them and knows how to close a game out.

[@Sambrowski10]

Saving money on my energy bills thanks to TalkSport's HEATED DEBATES

[@ChelseaMan31]

Cushion govt job for him , he knows no PL club will hire him . Hilarious if they draw big teams for a change in group stages and go out straight away.

[@ChelseaMan31]

I commented before listening to this debate. Martin referred Messi and Southgate in same sentence 🤦

[@LewisChappy]

Can we not get someone on Simons Calibre in here? this is summount to bullying lol

[@troy8613]

Tantamount*

[@bluemoon1716]

@@GIBBO4182 stay in school kids

[@greigallan5845]

Southgate is the Alan Partridge of football managers.

[@Murph_82]

Don't compare him to that legend!!!

[@peteg9011]

We’ll bottle it in the euros. Southgate not the man. Never changes anything at half time. Bottle job. Simon is spot on.

[@FoxunitedFC29]

I will never understand how people say he nurtured this group when they are being nurtured by the crème de la crème of managers on a daily basis who mould and shape these players to what they are the job of an international manager is to put them together and win one off matches by making hard decisions. I don’t see Southgate giving out a bollocking which you need sometimes in football he’s too nice and players will take advantage of that I feel like he’s intimidated by the players not the other way round.

[@ibrahimabuduruk5006]

How many chances is he allowed to have 😂

[@lfcspectre4335]

Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

[@remilloyd6366]

Southgate's resume:- 1) Got Middlesbrough relegated, despite Gibson ploughing 10's of millions into the team. Middlesbrough have never truly recovered to this day. 2) Finished bottom of Euro 2015 group as England U21 manager, yet somehow got the full England job. 3) Got knocked out of Russia 2018 by (the first real challenge) Croatia, a tiny nation with only a 3 million population. 4) Got beat in Euro 2020 by a mediocre Italian team that would then fail to qualify for the next world cup. 5) beat Iran, Wales, a draw with America, and knocked out by a French team that was more than beatable. And that's it. He's the luckiest manager alive. We had the best draws in 2018 and 2020 in a lifetime, with a decent manager, we could of won those tournaments. We had the players. But Southgate in holding a group of talented players back.

[@johnnyhock]

And now we work towards ……. His FOURTH TOURNAMENT without success as it’s only 18 months away. But, by the same token, say he gets knocked out in the quarter final of Euro 24, does he still get to stay on because the next World Cup is then only 2 years away ? How many tournaments without winning anything does he get ?

[@minnielee3399]

10:22 Marin Keown's note-taking going into overdrive.🤣🤣

[@barrybernstein9049]

I would like to ask Gareth Southgate a question . "If Harry Maguire or Harry Kane were having a bad match would you take them off after 40 minutes?" And we all know what the answer would be .

[@thecontextual1one411]

That's because Deschamps has always been a winner.

[@gaving9041]

Amen. 80th minute - bring on Sterling. 90+7 - bring on Grealish.

[@benjyjosephb]

Southgate single handed made the worst substitution of the tournament against France when he brought on Sterling 🤣

[@gaving9041]

@@benjyjosephb so preposterous. Besides getting a goal against Iran, Sterling did F all in the tournament and then had to leave the camp to handle personal business. But he is one of Southgate's go to favorites isn't he?

[@benjyjosephb]

@@gaving9041 what all these people supporting Southgate is not talking about the fact that Foden got in the 11 because sterling left... anyways I'm happy Southgate is continuing the joke will be kept alive.

[@devogaming8708]

1000% agree with Simon here, when you breakdown what Southgate has done you will see he’s failed, he fails to make big decisions and his results on the pitch against the top 10 ranked teams in the world is sackable alone by only winning something like 4 out of 20+ games

[@lfcspectre4335]

I can't wait until we hear same issues with Southgate near 18 months time on here. When people like Simon, myself & others have said about Southgate unlike his ex teammates have said defending him to the hill.

[@Pad13]

What a waste… Another 2 years down the toilet. This squad deserves better. If Southgate fully understood the game, he would’ve resigned out of embarrassment. He doesn’t know how little he knows.

[@lesliekime7567]

The players need to get off their knees and stick to football.

[@Carmichael_]

If he was going to leave he would of left the day after, the fact he said i will think about it showed he was always going to stay trying to get people to feel sorry for him. Would Southgate get any job in the premiership or championship... he was always going to stay on as te England manager because he's been gifted a job way out of his managing & coaching ability.

[@lifeson90]

The way to look at it is, if your LIFE depended on England winning the next euros, would you retain Gareth Southgate as head coach? Something tells me the FA didn't apply this principle, mainly because their own pockets well lined and they personally have nothing to lose so just went for the safe option

[@Slo-ryde]

These positions are mostly politically determined!

[@johnmurray8428]

If we equate this to a company (here the FA) are in need of successful projects to restore the company back to commercial prominence (here win a trophy). You set up a project head/leader and make available to the project the best resources the company can provide. Success is imperative. A close failure is that failure. We have had three close failures, surely somebody has to held accountable. That accountability in this case falls at the feet of the person who has led and failed three times. Why are we now putting trust in him to lead and probably fail again?

[@timmyripkey2030]

Why is keown writing down everything Simon says without responding to it? Very strange lol

[@Adam-sd2ow]

He thinks he's on A Question Of Sport.

[@davidedwards1336]

Iff Southgate was manager of Argentina ,he'd probably have Messi on the bench, and bring him on with 2 minutes to go

[@mrcheif2003]

So much tosh from Keown. Bellingham was nowhere near best young player. Walker didn’t do a good job he was just quick. Euro 2024 will be exactly the same as this tournament.

[@cjwill9920]

Nations League Div 3 champs 😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏆

[@josiahlonge2803]

Are we any closer to winning a tournament is the real question and Martin's response had me in bits 😂😂

[@Nottscavedweller]

Gareth(mouse of a man)Southgate will squander another tournament before people see sense another golden squad waisted ,what a joke

[@rayvinloony2322]

Southgate and his yes men staff, between them somehow agreed that Sterling who had been away from the squad due to traumatic personal matters should be introduced before Rashford. Saka was playing well enough to remain, and to frustrate all of us clear thinking football lovers, he introduces Grealish with a min to play??? Clever managers do that to slow the game down. Mind blowing.

[@johnnyhock]

Ten Haag arrives at Old Trafford and immediately benches McGuire, United start winning games and keeping clean sheets. Their form turns around….. Southgate continues to start McGuire every game. England win only 3 out of last 10 games, get relegated from Nations League, and at the World Cup McGuire is responsible for a conceded goal Vs Iran and France’s second and winning goal in Quarter final, knocking England out…… Favourites FC Expect the same result in 18 months at the Euros

[@salsadancer4965]

Gareth has had enough time from 2016 to 2022 to win a trophy if he has to win it has to be with another country. The squad has to have a major shake up. Youth has to be the focus.

[@mauromatos3124]

That Keown thinks a footballer who has won jack for his country is a national hero shows how out of touch some of these guys are. Insane.

[@jackbauer217]

Unbelievable that people think this guy is still the right man for the job.

[@wanchai3870]

Tuchel for England

[@jim526]

Just don’t see that working. He would fall out with half the squad

[@KindaKhul0205]

@@jim526That’s what they need. Someone not to tell them how good they are but someone who tells them how to get better.

[@dannydoogue59]

What has Southgate won? Bet again,Serial losers,How can Martin Keown actually stand up for him,Simon is right,The FA are to blame,If Gareth grew a pair of balls and set up England more Offensive,they'd be Euro and possibly world champions

[@jameschapman1442]

Coming from an outside perspective (Aussie) the rest of Europe and the world want south gate in, you have the most frightening pool of players and depth. It would be terrifying to face against if it was teed up with an elite manager who's a proven winner who knows the game. I feel like it's a real wasted opportunity on southgate tbh. It doesn't matter if the manager has to be English countries around the world all have international managers

[@anujpoudyal4029]

Top players coached by an average bloke. The narrative of English soccer. Till they find someone with a tactical nuance and attacking mindset, it will always be so close!

[@IntoMotivate]

Feels like we’re stuck in time, will southgate ever go🙄 we will be saying the same when we go out in the semi’s of the euros.

[@samdefore2692]

This Kewon with his tired arguments “ Southgate brought us to the semis, he brought us to the quarterfinals… “ but after 6 years and 3 tournaments England got Jack. Mancini took over Italy and won the Euro, Scalini took over Argentina won them Cope America and World Cup, Dechamps took over France he brought them to the finals of the Euro and then won them a World Cup … it doesn’t take three tournaments and over 6 years. For a coaches quality to show…

[@amritheer5564]

Southgate’s in game substitutions tell you everything you need to know his managerial ability. Really really bad. This world cup and the last one. 2018 - Croatia chasing the game - left in form Vardy on the bench. Didn’t have the balls to take off Kane who you wouldn’t know was on the pitch. 2022 - Need a goal vs France. Brings on Sterling whos been terrible. Gives bang in form and high on confidence Rashford 2 mins at the end. 2022 -Doesn’t give Englands most creative centre midfielder (Maddison) a single minute in the tournament. Overcomplicating the game. England should be so much better. Sometimes coaches at the highest level aren’t actually that good

[@mrsullivan1969]

It’s deja vu all over again. The talk about Southgate having his favourites was all clear to see when he called on Sterling to get us out of a hole against the French.Sterling the man who had flown home because of the nightmare situation of the burglary. His mind could not have been in a good place but was called upon before Rashford, Grealish,Maddison toreplace Saka, who was arguably our best player on the night. Time for a change

[@martinjackson565]

Same old England at the beginning Southgate said he’d only pick inform players well he ain’t and he can’t change a game it needs changing he can’t do it

[@mewsao]

the fact that this is even a question amongst british is sickening. england will forever be laughing stock with southgate

[@sampage2648]

Stability but sad for any player not his favourite

[@headpeace1018]

Three tournaments ending in failure and relegation from the Nation's League. The FA are cowards.

[@davidhughes1843]

Please tell me what clubs fan base would love to have Gareth as their manager I think championship is his level and is only England manager because of friends like Martin

[@verygoodbrother]

The French got to the finals with some of their best players out due to injuries. Yet, we expect England to beat them in 2 years time? Highly doubt it. Other European teams aren't sitting idle, as we have seen with recent departures, with the exception of England.

[@kieranbarrass4852]

No, get him gone! Reminds me of OGS, stay solid and rely on individual brilliance to get you over the line without any tactical ideas. It's his inability to change tactics, the subs he made proved it

[@stevenlobban8162]

Love how Simon disagrees with everything Martin says

[@sapete1936]

The FA have got history regarding ridiculous contracts, just investigate what happened with Sven. Very easy when you are dishing out other people’s money.

[@broca246]

Martin keown is so delusional it hurts

[@roberthowe2910]

Talks utter crap. ..

[@garypowell1540]

After watching that final I am glad that England was not playing and we would have lost if we had against either team. England may have the talent to win, but they simply don't have the balls to do so.

[@dguitar3831]

Keown giving Southgate credit for playing and developing Foden?! He only played him because of Stirlings off field dilemma!

[@-Old-School-Gamer]

When you’ve got managers like Thomas Tuchel available, keeping a cereal bottler like Southgate in charge, with arguably the best squad England’s ever had, is a travesty in my opinion. He hasn’t beaten anybody of significance in 6 years and with the best England squad of my 40+ years lifetime. This team needs a change in leadership PERIOD and if Southgate had any respect for the country, he would step down himself.

[@subculture2006]

I completely agree. When for example you look at the Italia 90 squad you had 2 world class players in Gazza and Waddle. Then after that a clinical lethal striker in Lineker and other decent players like Platt and Beardsley. However the squad was thin. Robsons tactical genius helped us get to the semi final where we were very unlucky not to beat a great German team....Barca wont come calling for Southgate like they did for Robson.

[@MrKra888]

There are too many other good teams in Europe to say England must win it. Our squad will get weaker, not stronger. We've had three great opportunities to win with complete squads. Left-backs are an issue, centre-backs are an issue, centre-midfielders and centre forwards are an issue, long term.

[@maximumpotential3796]

The only reason Southgate is in the job is because he is English. Just like how Grealish was worth 100 mill, and Maguire 80 mill 😂😂 The British tax is heavy in this country.

[@deanlatimer2323]

sick of ex players blindly backing their mates...ie shearer & Bruce..mills & Southgate..Neville & ole..etc etc

[@bh629]

Southgate has done no better than Sven. Solid qualification and no shocks at tournaments. Sven lost to Portugal (golden generation for Portugal managed by a WC winner) on pens twice and Brazil in 90 mins. QF QF QF Southgate lost to Italy on pens (at home), Croatia in 120 mins and France in 90 mins. SF F QF Now the semi and final is misleading. He beat one "top" team and that was a Germany in transition (as they have been since 2016). Otherwise what game was actually memorable. Sweden, Senegal, Ukraine? If you say Sven had "big" names like Beckham, Owen, Rooney et al, remember England were never top 4 in Sven's time as other teams had equal or better players (France, Italy, Brazil, Argentina and Netherlands) and deeper squads. Sven's time they had quality CBs and Southgate has quality fullbacks. The similarities are eerie. It's just Southgate is one of the England boys from 90s, so ex player pundits sing his praises. England should have rehired Glenn Hoddle. The one thing neither managed and Alf Ramsey didn't either, was overcome England's mental block. England need a manager who can convince the players they can beat a big team, someone who projects confidence and calmness. That could be anybody, but it won't be Southgate.

[@GingahBish23]

Keown always loses against Jordan. He just has to revert to ad-hominem personal insults. It’s very telling

[@johnancill7397]

It's funny how we performed in the nations league is overlooked, Southgate doesn't know how to get us over the line but he is nieve when it comes to using his subs to change game.