Are F1 Stewards Giving Fair Penalties? | WTF1 Podcast #17

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Did Vettel deserve a penalty for his crash with Verstappen? Was Verstappen rightly given a 5 second penalty of his own? We are back for another WTF1 Podcast where we discuss the stewarding from the Japanese Grand Prix and more.
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[@georgigeorgiev2793]

Hermoine, Ron and Harry lol

[@Adam-zh4hm]

GP2 Version

[@ahoyhoy8981]

Hermoine, Ron and Sharrll

[@grgprincipe]

Lol love the comment.

[@michaelskoney]

bahahah omg this comment

[@ImreBertalan86]

This kicked me in the head. :D So true

[@ana_shep]

I was here so early Ferrari still had a chance to win the championship.

[@tb8950]

Vettel wasn't fighting Max, he was looking forward to catch Lewis. Vettel had the right to make the move on Max. This would have helped him to reduce the gap with Lewis.

[@pratyushpadmanabhan5981]

I was looking forward to punching everyone called Itoe on the head. Therefore, I have the right to punch you on the head. Stupid logic.

[@itsmealex8959]

Wow! How was 2008?

[@AB-in5ch]

Or to watch the race

[@mightyakkylex]

Nice one :))

[@thelonesculler]

"If you go for a gap that no longer exists, you are Maldonado."

[@5plurge]

It's interesting about Vettel and Verstappen, I heard somebbody say a couple months back that Vettel is quite easy to read in his interviews, there are a couple simple things you understand, there is one driver that Vettel truely respects on the grid and that's Hamilton, and there is one driver that he truely fears and that's Verstappen. And then everytime there is an issue I get reminded of it and just how true it is.

[@keodejong9865]

TheGreatSplurge you where spot on with that vettel fears verstappen, you can see it in the way he always overtakes him, its always clumsy and rushed

[@theSafetyCar]

I might have to pay closer attention to those 2 now. Though I'd have thought that he also respects Alonso who gave him a run for his money in an inferior car.

[@NeweyAdrian1]

This was on skynews talkshow with natalie pinkham. Was an older journalist and hes absolutey right. I remember seeing the video aswell

[@5plurge]

E3, I would agree however some of their tussles in the 2014 season (Silverstone being the one that sticks in my mind most) Alonso and Vettel were treating each other and reacting in much the same way that Vettel and Verstappen were last season at Silverstone, which points in the direction of what the guys on this video we're saying that Alonso treats Vettel in the way that Vettel treats Verstappen and vice versa. Also Adrian, Yeeeeeaaaaaaah!!! Couldn't remember where it was from, having said that I think it was there post race analysis after Singapore last season, but can't be certain

[@Merlin5342]

The thing that is wrong about F1 at the moment is, that Verstappen just don't let space for the car that is inside, and almost all experts just saying about that, that Vettel should expect, that Verstappen will close the door, so it is his fault, he does even try. I somehow would say, Verstappen miscalculated his ERS, so he even should expect a attack. Saying, that is not a place for overtakes is just a bit to easy. Also saying he could wait is just shit, he is a racedriver and you don't win anything with waiting for the car in front taking its panelty. And letting space for a car inside, and it was half car length in that corner, so it clearly was inside, is needed for good racing, and Verstappen really did not. You can't take the racing line, if there is a car inside. With that argumantation you almost could say to all drivers, you are only allowed to overtake on the straight or in on or two explicit corners. and if you can't do it there, you are not allowed to overtake... I still would say, Verstappen could be a good driver, but because of all around saying, that he does good with that unfair driving, he will not get to that point anyway. Also Vettel fucked up a lot this season, but really not there. And really, why Verstappen can do what he do without anyone saying, that he really is to agressive in fighting!!?!?!? Without changing it even would not help him to have the best car, he would not win anything with driving like that.

[@martijnmulder7594]

#YasMoment was for me the moment when Verstappen and Hamilton were joking around about Max's moments with both Ferrari's

[@martijnmulder7594]

@@MadmanGoneMad2012 Yes. At the end of the race.

[@mcechss]

s#!t ...

[@nephlimjedi4741]

oh yeah, that was freakin' hilarious

[@mattamys]

Is no one going to appreciate Tommy's joke at 0:48?!

[@henrywhatzal4724]

Another great podcast again guys Really love these videos and the content overall keep it up!

[@vycanismelodis]

The stewards were right on Magnussen. Looking at the footage slowly, one can see that Charles and Kevin made a decision to move to the right at the same time (within a frame, I think Charlie Whiting said). Magnussen didn't block Leclerc or react to Leclerc's move, he just went on the defensive line, and there isn't anything wrong with that.

[@djn3kkid]

WRT Charles-Kmag Incident: Read the statement from Charlie (Something along theese lines): Charles were catching, catching, catching, then goes to the right. 1Frame after, K-Mag also goes to the right. So they basicly decided to turn at the same point in time. Assuming its 25fps camera they use, thats 0.04seconds. Or half of that if its 50hz camera. Or somewhere inbetween if its Murican' stype camera. Either way, its much less then human reaction time. (~0.2sec)

[@liviciousx]

You picked my prediction 2 weeks in a row :) Thanks!

[@joepnijveld]

I've enjoyed this podcast, keep up the good work!

[@yanisnm]

My #YasMoment in the race was the inclusion of my favourite driver, Charles Leclerc, into the "Magnussen is a danger to all drivers on the grid" Club, MIADTADOTG for short. Thank you for such a lovely podcast guys! And thank you to Etihad for the opportunity!

[@BrendanP]

Great listen today. Good podcast.

[@Takastie]

Best #YasMoment at the Abu Dhabi GP is when the track was first introduced and a few drivers almost binned it in the pit exit

[@allanmcintosh8778]

My #YasMoment was also the midfield battle, just so satisfying to watch

[@JontysCorner]

Well I'm glad you agree on the argument for fixed stewards, having the same at all races would make things so much clearer and consistent. My point on Kristensen was more in the fact that after F3 and F3000 in his early career, his experience for the rest of his driving was all tin tops which has a massively different perspective of what is and isn't dangerous on track.

[@TheNordicDK]

Tom Kristensen did test for several F1 teams, including Minardi, Tyrrell and Williams...

[@pawelnowak5013]

Jonty good to see you around other podcasts. Can't wait when you guys go back on with Sean. Sean and yourselve gt best approach and content on F1Word.

[@JontysCorner]

@Kim Yeah that's true, but that was back in the late 90's/early00's, the difference in the cars now is so big wit regard to physical stresses, mental stresses and involvement with wheel controls etc. that no real comparison can be drawn. The same could be said of driver stewards such as Mika Salo and Martin Donnelley who were very much in F1 but so long ago it's without real relevance. That's just my view on it. @Pawel, we'll be back soon mate, dont worry.

[@luismhpires]

About Max vs Vettel incident: “If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” - Ayrton Senna

[@filipladan7756]

I remember that quote, so true.

[@AxelTheEpic]

#YasMoment Mine would definitely have to be Alonso’s sneak preview at his rally car career. Love u guys see you at Yas!

[@t.mcgarry4]

I watched the race at 2am after I got home from clubbing smashed. Needless to say I had to watch it again the next day because I couldn't remember any of it😂

[@milixjrjr4147]

my #YasMoment was Kimi saying after the race that he could've left Verstappen more room 😂

[@TheRemco98]

My #YasMoment was when Max was so fed up with the penalties he gets that he said in a post race interview that next time he's just gonna cut the corner with full speed. Love his genuine reactions to everything

[@hukuando]

Hello Matt, Tommy and Jess! My favourite #YasMoment of the race (because there were quite a few) would have been when Charles Leclerc was sitting at the side of the circuit with all the broomsticks. A part of me just pictured him grabbing one and flying off into the distance. Perhaps switch to a new series (Quidditch)? 😉

[@xXap0kariXx]

47:30 Well I did watch it to the end, and that is acctually the reason why I liked this vid. (not that I don't like your other videos, but I usually forget to klick the button...)

[@BostonTom]

Now u know what its like watching f1 for people in the us because 90% of the races are at 7am here in the US it was nice staying up until 2 am for once and watching a race

[@Dayzsurvive]

My #YasMoment was when bottas and Hamilton were talking about the Vettel and Max crash in the cool down room

[@KaiDesigns_]

#YasMoment Watching Lewis at Silverstone @ Club Corner claiming Pole Position on the Saturday with everyone cheering was amazing. Then watching the race and applauding Lewis every time he came round after his comeback drive to second! 🏆 (Was only the second time I’ve been to a race: 2011 & 2018)

[@matthewcrowder400]

#YasMoment - Leclerc's radio message as he retired as it was pretty funny hearing his voice as he bumped across the gravel. He sounded so nonchalant when he reported back he just avoided the barrier .

[@NevRS32]

Magnussen can change direction once to defend his position... Checked. Vettel goes for a gap, like a champion should... Checked. F1 and us, the fans, need fierce racing drivers, like Verstappen and Magnussen. It's F1... It's dangerous...

[@dinocadet77]

Mmm. I dont actually think that Magnussen broke any rules. Of course it was a big mistake. But were rules broken?

[@NevRS32]

@@dinocadet77 I agree, no rule broken. F1 is becoming too much vanilla. I don't think Vettel was wrong as well. He saw a gap and went for it. Just remember the 90s clashes of titans that made Senna, Prost and Schumacher the legends they are. We need that!

[@Dan4096]

But then don't hand the penalties to Verstappen, Alonso and Stroll then...

[@NevRS32]

@@Dan4096 I´m not sure if I understand what you want to say. If it is "don´t hand penalties for guys trying to race" then yes, I agree. I just think there´s too many penalties going on. No one likes a vanilla racing experience. Take Australian supercars races... they are awesome to watch.

[@nicholasleon8815]

My #yasmoment was seeing Daniel's smile after the race in comparison to his disappointment in qualifying!

[@SamOGr]

My #YasMoment of the Japanese GP was Leclerc showing off his race craft especially with that move on Grosjean around the outside 😍😍

[@jackharrison6799]

EVERYBODY LISTEN UP! The video right now has 1.2k likes, and if the video gets up to 10k likes they are going to paint Tommy's face like an American flag for the US GP, just for the hell of it, let's all like the video.

[@marcomorelli4051]

My #YasMoment was the moment I realised I didn't just wake up at 6am to see Mercedes get another 1-2 but being able to enjoy a complete masterclass from a lot of the midfield drivers! Thanks to all F1.5 drivers for delivering such an exiting race, what a start to a sunday!!

[@robertmacphee5]

#YasMoment the mercedes formation on the cool down was on point with Verstappen joining in behind them

[@aaronlevy250]

My #YasMoment of the race was when Alonso fought Vettel into the final chicane. I knew it was pointless but it was still exciting to see even a small fight from two of the best racers around!

[@Kungfujoe1110]

My #YasMoment was...well...it was a place. Degner 1 is seriously one of the best corners in racing period. Watching those guys (especially when Verstappen was chasing Bottas) chuck the car into that thing is so exciting. Seriously, what a race

[@Natasha-of6mn]

Jess' genuine anger and disappointment in Matt when she found out he didn't watch on Sunday was legit intense 😂

[@philbmr6449]

#YasMoment when DC asked Verstappen after quali if he would try not to interfere in the championship battle between hamilton and vettel and verstappen replied: "Is it still a battle? I didnt know." or similar ;)

[@willmullins7925]

Hi guys love the podcast. Was thinking it would be cool if you could introduce timestamps to these videos.

[@Stemolee1]

#YasMoment was definitely seeing Danny Ric smiling after the race, his scream in qualifying absolutely shattered my heart.

[@rhysdavies191]

The problem, Tommy is that we have the luxury of 20/20 vision and replay. In the moment, when you have a chance like that, as a racing driver you’re going to take it

[@leumas75]

#YasMoment Was after Vettel hit Verstappen and spun out, watching himself sit there waiting for every. single. car. to go by before he could rejoin safely. 1) First time an F1 driver ever wished for turn signals. 2) They didn’t air the camera angle where you could clearly see more smoke coming out of Vettel’s ears than his tailpipe.

[@katieiredale4256]

My #YasMoment was when David Croft said that Hartley had a really good start, Only to get overtaken by like 5 cars

[@usamahdalvi6094]

If you rewatch the kevin and charles incident, the reaction time between charles move and kevins move makes it humanely impossible to check his mirrors and make a move

[@Chilukar]

Worth watching/reading Charlie Whitings comment on Leclerc Magnusson. Magnusson moved to the right one frame later than Leclerc which is why there was no penalty. Effectively they both moved at the same time hence it was a racing incident.

[@ThomySchneider]

#yasmoment when Vettel took over the steering wheel at the drivers parade in a GTA kind of manner haha

[@matteugenio]

Another great episode guys! Either Tommy needs to speak up a little more or you need to turn up his audio just a tad bit.

[@zombiefish4354]

#YasMoment has to be Danny Ric's awesome rise through the field, particularly when he jumped Kimi in the pit stops.

[@blathers_13]

#yasmoment was definitely seeing Ricciardo coming back through the field after seeing how angry/down he was on Saturday. Amazing to watch 👌

[@matthewbyrne3526]

#YasMoment when kimi was at lotus and he went over the radio when getting told what to do “leave me alone I know what to do” 😂

[@stevenstrickland4889]

My #Yasmoment was Dan Ric literally imploding walking down the pit lane. We all felt that!

[@ironlemon666]

Could you guys possibly consider adding some more compression over your mics? There’s a lot of difference in volume levels ;)

[@alih15]

When Kimi said "leave me alone i know what i'm doing" #YasMoment

[@francescolorenzi2677]

#YasMoment? Hamilton asking Bono where the heck he's been, was a funny one! 🤣

[@Scirzo]

Magnussen's move was okay. You know why? Leclerc could get out of the slipstream earlier. Leclerc was closing in too much and should have gone inside earlier. So who's fault is it? Nobodies. It's racing. Leclerc closed in too much and Magnussen defended late. It's racing with both drivers taking too much risk.

[@legodane97]

Not only that, but Magnussen only exercised his right to one directional change, yes he left it quite late, but his move wasn't illegal. And as you said Leclerc could and should have pulled out of the slipstream earlier. He was less then a cars length behind Magnussen when he decided to move over. Magnussen left it to late which was stupid, but it was a pure racing incident. Quite frankly I was actually quite annoyed with Matt in his race review, when he said Magnussen didn't deserve a seat for next year. Clearly a the person who is seventh in the championship and hence best of the rest, doesn't deserve a seat. Also Magnussen has 3 penalty points, Hartley and Gasly have 4, Verstappen has 8. I hope Matt reads this, because his "opinion" on the matter was most definelty coloured by his preference of Leclerc, and nowhere near good journalism.

[@mapkob5115]

#YasMoment to me is the way Hamilton and Bottas discussed the Vettel-Verstapen clash in the cooldown room :D

[@AutomotiveDrives]

#YasMoment when the Toro Rosso's got 6 and 7 in quali. That motor looking good for redbull next year!

[@rayhammertime]

#YasMoment After Qualy when Coulthard asked Max whether he would get in the way of the championship battle on Sunday and Max cheekily responded by asking if it still was a battle.

[@damon621]

#YasMoment My favorite part of this race was the mid-field, that never gets old! I wish the mid-field could battle at the front. That would have been the best season ever!

[@jennifer2619]

#yasmoment Danny Ric slashing his way through the field and generally just finishing a race. Also not the race but his rage at qualifying as well as Charles beautiful 360

[@benreiling99]

My #YasMoment was Danny Ric coming back from a terrible Saturday to just cruise through the field

[@hugopeshi]

My #YasMoment was when Alonso proved not only once, but twice in the race, that driving through the gravel rather than through the chicane is much faster line.

[@roflcoz]

my #YasMoment was fernando alonso just not bothering trying to make the final corner the 2nd time he went rallycrossing

[@sags6264]

My #yasmoment : The two perfect 360°spins from #lec16 and his radiomessages.

[@williambowbrick845]

#YasMoment my favourite moment was at the end of the race when SEB said he might as well stay at home if he didnt go for the move when he could of just waited for the straight or 5 seconds

[@BostonTom]

My #YasMoment was Danny Ric blowing out his voice on Saturday after a terrible day and using that anger to charge through the field on Sunday was amazing to watch

[@WaleedFallatah]

My #YasMoment is when Alonso completely floored it at the chicane 😂

[@KaiDesigns_]

#YasMoment Lewis chilling out front and checking on the radio if Bono had gone for a break 😂

[@sebastiangieger7874]

When people talk about the mistakes Vettel made everyone seems to forget the Austria qualifying where he blocked Hulkenberg, got a grid penalty and basically threw what would have been a close to save win.

[@matthewripplinger7820]

The stewards said when it was slowed down Magnussen's move was so soon after Charles that it couldn't have been reaction. It was still a stupid misjudgment of Leclerc's approach speed, but not intentionally dangerous

[@CharlieVane21]

Vettel is what poker players call tilted. "Tilt is a poker term for a state of mental or emotional confusion or frustration in which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy, usually resulting in the player becoming over-aggressive. ... One possible origin of the word "tilt" is as a reference to tilting a pinball machine."

[@thecoolguy284]

#YasMoment Dan's stellar comeback drive, including the overcut on Kimi

[@trimusx14]

My #YasMoment was when Hamilton came on the radio asking if Bono went for a break.

[@tommynott4310]

#YasMoment Midfield battle throughout the whole race. Culminating in " heart break Honda" for gasly. Good to see Carlos get a point though as this could be his last until his mclarren contract runs out in the distance future.

[@Moo13131313]

#YasMoment Leclerc's perfect pirouette in Q2 through Degner... it's so satisfying to watch

[@Railfan608]

I rarely watch the race on the Sunday because, by the time most of the races happen, I'm already in Monday

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

#YasMoment when Leclerc paused to add “and always will be” when describing Magnussen’s stupidity.

[@alexbustamante6532]

#YasMoment for me would have to be the great racing my boy Checo had in those midfield battles

[@zuni4693]

#yasmoment was when leclerc does a 360 spin and executes it perfectly

[@levivlijm7571]

My #YasMoment of the race is the two Torro Rosso's hitting p6 and p7 in qualifying

[@NOCKSCITNEY]

my #yasMoment was when Lewis asked where Bono was over the radio

[@chasewhite8632]

My #YasMoment was when Danny Rick tore his way though the grid

[@DirkeyITA]

#YASMoment When Hamilton and Bottas were talking about the Max-Seb incident just before the podium

[@michaelmcallister3668]

#YAAAAASSSS Moment Max's radio message after the race "That's not my problem"

[@niekSnipezz]

My #YasMoment was Leclerc’s radio message after the Magnussen incident

[@jglenister0419]

#YasMoment the incident between Stroll and Alonso. That was pretty wicked

[@arthurgcab]

#yasmoment when Max asked "is it still a battle?" during post-quali interview

[@jamiemlawrence]

#YasMoment of the race was Nando practicing rallycross for next season by going off the last chicane

[@ItsRazorlol]

my #YasMoment of the race was vettel's start. What a start he was in p4 by the end of lap 1 but then that move on verstappen wasn't as Yas as i would have hoped lol.

[@ther3alvinc953]

#YasMoment My favorite moment in Japan was the moment after the race when Bot, Ham and Ver where watching the incident between Vet and Ver

[@mckracken9516]

My #YasMoment was when Hamilton asked where his engineer was? I bet he went for a cuppa tea.

[@andytomo5961]

When Lewis's engineer forgot to update Lewis on the strategy as the pitwall went to celebrate their pretty much guaranteed constructors' mid race after Seb gets spooned by himself once again was my #YasMoment.

[@jonasstroeven]

#YasMoment Ricciardo starting P15 and finishing P4 with some very good overtakes and he jumped Räikkönen in the pits.

[@adamkiever9850]

#YasMoment when Lewis got on radio anytime this weekend , his energy shows that he and the team knows this is wrapped up and he's untouchable

[@TjopStick]

In China Verstappen was making the same mistake as Vettel in Japan. Why was he getting a 10 sec penalty?? Alonso was getting a penalty for cutting the chicane (by getting pushed of the track) and Verstappen was getting a penalty for not trying to cut the chicane? I mean i really really dont understand it anymore.

[@velocitaaa]

Completely different incidents. Alonso did get pushed off but went straight over the grass to rejoin the track and gain an advantage. He should have just used the old chicane layout and rejoined safely. Verstappen got a penalty because he still pushed Kimi completely off the track and didn't leave any room.

[@aidankeogh5350]

Alonso emerged 2 seconds in front of Stroll. He did gain significant advantage from cutting the chicane, though he was pushed off. Vettel was at least alongside in the breaking zone, Max torpedoed him in China. Verstappen should have cut properly using the escape road, not swerve onto the grass. The escape road is there for that purpose.

[@MrKirua21]

Alonso cut the chicane twice

[@karsakasdasfa6474]

Verstappen got penalty fir unsafe return onto the track? You know he hit kimi. What verstappen did in china was more like bottas vettel incident in france. After being pushed off track alons cut another chicane.

[@TjopStick]

IN CHINA for God sake

[@sandervanriel9893]

#YasMoment when the graphic of the standings came up, and then the realization that Vettel is even more points behind Hamilton than he was last year at this time.😂

[@aaliyahkaelin8916]

My #YasMoment of the race is when Leclerc got on the radio with his cute French/Monegasgue accent saying Ohhhh something is broken... poor guy, hopefully he won’t have the same issues with Ferrari next year. Plus I would really love these tickets because my anniversary is the weekend of the Grand Prix 🙏🏻

[@DanTheCaptain]

Matt has to start the next podcast with the proper WCW intro!

[@mariusl9478]

#YasMoment Was really great seeing Daniel Ricciardo having a great race and coming home 4th

[@f1captainslow996]

In some Italian media, the reason for Ferrari's bad form is given: since Singapore, their battery advantage is gone, probably due to the extra sensor placed by the FIA. The fact that Ferrari has however not found a solution yet, lays deeper. Since the passing away of Marchionne, there is a rivalry between Arrivabene and Mattia Binotto (the Chief Technical Officer) about who is now the "real leader" of the team. When Marchionne was still CEO, he was the boss and both had to listen to him.

[@sidog6444]

#YASmoment the moment that alonso decided to become a rally driver😂😂