Are Fast Degrading Tyres Good For F1? | WTF1 Podcast #19

[@WeThePeople018]

GIVE JASON A POINT 001 HOODIE! THE MAN DESERVES IT!

[@danielricciardo7251]

Last time I was this early my engine still worked

[@TomiVuori]

Your car is cursed

[@sahan_krs]

We feel with you ...we feel with you

[@justicewarrior9187]

Hahahahahahahaha 😂 😂

[@brucew.5292]

You need to ask Horner why there is a weekly sabotage on your car.

[@brucew.5292]

@Amyg-dala It is an obvious joke, don't take it so seriously mate!

[@rickbrinkhuis8604]

Give Jason free stuff!!!

[@zaccariareino6732]

Give Jason a .001 hoodie

[@samu10k91]

what's the story behind that shirt? does it refer to something in particular ?

[@zaccariareino6732]

I have no idea lol

[@williamdalley5801]

£95 for that hoody on their website... Was a WTF(1) moment when I seen the price

[@jochesanchez5852]

Gasly a bad race?? He went from P20 to P10, i know there was a lot of DNFs, but still a pretty decent race in my opinion

[@davidf5449]

They are getting sloppy with these reviews..... he had a good race

[@zakmillington7380]

@42:30 Verstappen debut year was 2015. Did full season at Toro Rosso, promoted during 2016. His Brazil overtake was 2016.

[@timowilms8102]

Actually Max was also planned to go on a 1 stop, just to be sure he pitted a seccond time. The gap to P2 was so big it would be stupid to don't pit.

[@samu10k91]

same with bottas, they did that 3rd pitstop just for the fun of it cause there was somethink like a 3 minutes gap to the rest of the pack it literally made no difference 😂😂

[@timowilms8102]

@@samu10k91 true, Bottas could have had a puncture in the last round and probably would have driven the car on three wheels over the finnish in 5th place,haha

[@samu10k91]

@@timowilms8102 ahha true, actujally he was lapped by Max towards the end of the race, so he would have just taken the checkered flag right after Max and be fine 😝😝

[@giorgos_papadopoulos]

Fast degrading tyres don't allow drivers to unlock the full potential of their cars and their driving as they are forced to carefully manage their strategy instead of going all in.

[@santi_alvarez]

exactly lewis had to lift and coast the whole race.

[@fieldmartan4426]

@@santi_alvarez That's due to the mercedes being notorious for fucking destroying tyres

[@samu10k91]

just described current F1... just take Max team radio when he did a purple sector while leading the race and his engineer told him plain straight to slow down, "we don't need it". It's all about saving: tyers, engines, gearboxes, fuel... it's sad but it's just how it is 😩

[@chasespeer251]

If this whole era isn't a matter of protecting tires/engines/fuel I might agree. Mexico was just an exaggeration of the tire preservation element but it did provide a solid race

[@giorgos_papadopoulos]

@@samu10k91 Exactly! You're supposed to give credit to Max for his passion, pushing even though he had almost won the race, but with these tyres he was jeopardizing a great result

[@tommykee12]

Enhance strengths for each circuit. I.e make Monaco, Spain etc more tyre strategy and make more durable tyres for overtaking like in Baku Montreal etc. Can’t have same 1 stop strategy each race.

[@TheSpacecraftX]

Ricciardo took it back from Vettel and was holding ahead of DRS range when his engine quit. It would have been a 1-2. Ric was setting fastest laps on 40 lap old tyres and Vettel's were in worse shape.

[@brucejacobs3492]

First of all, Antarctica is a desert. Second of all, it has snowed in the Sahara at the start of the year. So there is snow in a desert.

[@davepastern]

I think most people think of deserts as being: a) HOT b) sandy the technical definition of a desert is based on yearly waterfall averages, and that is why Antarctica classifies as a desert.

[@bandithimself6841]

mrtheoden yep and can also be classed on lack of nature and vegetation

[@davepastern]

No. Deserts have always been classified based on precipitation. Crikey...

[@dominicspowart4459]

Really love the pod! Not to sound like a Hamilton fan boy but it would have been nice to take a few minutes just to congratulate what he’s done this year. He’s only the third driver to win 5 or more world titles and he beat Vettel for the second season running. Yes Vettel has made mistakes but Hamilton has had to capitalise on those mistakes. However, still love the podcast and will be tuning in for the rest of the season.

[@hugojae]

I like the tires as they are this year. It’s fun to have all the different compounds and k ow which is which by looking at the cars or graphics. Going back to “soft, medium and hard” is only gonna make it more boring, at least to me. And it doesn’t take that long to learn the compounds for new viewers.

[@rico_lmo8507]

Firstname vs Lastname, Lewis Hamilton started 9st, the entire race standing graphics on the left, Vettel will be champion. Best graphics ever.

[@rjfaber1991]

At this rate, we're going to see a race where the projection on top of the halo is going to say _bottle_ and _cake_ instead of _throttle_ and _brake..._

[@awatson16]

"Probably not going to meet Schumacher though are you" might have come off slightly more brutally than intended all things considered...

[@Woopady115]

One minute into the podcast and I already feel self conscious about my seating arrangement. I’m listening as I sit on a tiny primary school chair. (I’m a teacher, not just a weirdo who sits on small chairs in my personal time.)

[@NunoSalvaterra]

You need a shirt on the store saying HAAALF A POINT!

[@coses4957]

Wishlist for the 2019 season: 1: No Friday Practice, apart from some guys who bought a weekend ticket, nobody cares. 2: Qualfying in the wet. 3: Degrading tyres for at least 3 pit stops, so you can't even look away for one second without missing something.

[@EvO24]

Coses Gaming I think getting rid of Friday practice as a whole is bad, Reduce it to 1 session on the friday and get rid of p3. Tge degrading tyres is terrible because it discourages good racing, and how will there be a "wet qualy" unless it rains...?

[@GravellordNito]

Yeah third point is a great idea. If you watch in Germany on RTL there are so many commercial breaks, we missed everything exciting that happened in Mexiko

[@coses4957]

@@EvO24 Ok, so keep the current tyres and just make it 2 mandatory pitstops, so no one hast to save tyres, should be good for racing. And about the wet qualy, just water it with a few trucks before the session ;).

[@matthias2756]

You can get snow in a desert. A desert is defined by the amount of precipitation an area receives. For example parts of Antarctica are considered deserts but do experience snow occasionally. This snow would then not melt due to the temperature being below waters melting point. Therefore the original metaphor was the superior one 😏

[@antonmarc3073]

Hülkenberg got Pole in 2010, but his amazing race (he led 30 laps) was in 2012, where he started 6th

[@liverpoolbuttonf1fan]

Remember how everyone hated the 2011-2013 tyres because they degrated too fast?? F1 fans just never can be pleased

[@josesammut9396]

Back then we only had two compounds so we got similar strategies anyways.

[@josesammut9396]

We need a middle ground.

[@liverpoolbuttonf1fan]

@@josesammut9396 2012 was perfect and had 4 compounds. Races were 1-3 stops and the drivers were still able to push. You all complained tho and that's why drivers are able to do 50% of the race on the softest compound nowadays...

[@josesammut9396]

@@liverpoolbuttonf1fan They only had two at a time though and while for the most part strategies were on point, there were many 4 stop races where overtaking is only done in the pits and the ones that were done on track were too easy.

[@josesammut9396]

Should be two stops with the option to do one stop and defend or three stops and take advantage of virtual/safety cars.

[@philosopherking506]

Name the tire compounds according to a number rating system. 1=hyper, 2=ultra, 3=super, 4=soft, 5=medium, 6=hard, and eliminate the super hard. Make the color code so that numbers and colors become associated with each compound. This would make it easy to identify a compound on a moving car by its color, and easy to talk about by number. Intermediates and wets should be the same color but inters only have one colored band around the side wall and wets with two, again for ease of identification on a moving car.

[@BadTanLines]

Danny Ric wins my driver of the day. The fact that he went like 46 or 47 laps on that set of tires and was still competitive and holding second place 😲😲😲😲 I can't even explain how that'd possible. How did he do that!?!?

[@ramondobma]

Cause the redbull is extremly good with the tyres. Max was also cruising and just did the pitstop to be sure, but his tyres were also in good shape. And of course they are both smooth drivers.

[@rachelgreenwood7047]

Have a shot everytime Jess touches her hair!!! 😂😂😂

[@schurgy16]

God you'll pass out quicker than Riccardo's engine

[@hedzerburen3444]

She watched Lewis Hamilton too much, he does it aswell

[@schumbo8324]

So fucking distracting like shes making me wanna go gay...

[@schumbo8324]

'Yeah' 'hair touch ' 'Yeah' 'hair touch ' 'Yeah' 'hair touch ' 'Yeah' 'hair touch ' 'Yeah' 'hair touch ' 'Yeah' 'hair touch '

[@Heksu99]

Watch Kimi's interviews and have a drink always when he touches his neck

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Its not about high degradation or low degradation. Its about quality and predictability of tyres which allow drivers to push to the maximum. Banning the fuel flow restriction would help too. Ever since Pirelli imposed tyre pressure and camber limits on their tyres after Silverstone 2013, the tyres have become way too hard and unpredictable to drive on. Pirelli also lack confidence in their product. We need a tyre war to push the limits of the tyres and just allow the drivers to race unhindered by the limitations of the tyre. Thats how you get races like Austin.

[@GodModeHimself]

14? 15? i thought tommy was like 16 years old

[@mscbijles1256]

Regarding tyres (and especially Mercedes), I think there is an easy way to save an extra tyre set for the race for the top 3 teams: Don't go out on the softest tyre in Q2 after having set your time. It never seems to be necessary, is a complete waste of a fresh tyre set and if every now and then it would backfire (which I think would hardly ever happen), they're fast enough to make it back to the front within a few laps anyway.

[@GloomGaiGar]

They know which tracks require pole position to win anyway.

[@kyrianl6478]

Hulkenberg did pole in 2010

[@jarivsteen]

Give the poor man that hoodie you monsters

[@gabrielpeyroux7417]

hulkenberg had pole for Williams in 2010 Brazil gp and had an awesome race for a potential win in the Brazilian gp 2012

[@stevenlarratt3638]

Tyres are simple... Tyres Softer - 123456 - harder Pack 1 'soft' tyres 123 called soft medium hard Pack 2 'soft medium' tyres 234 called soft medium hard Pack 3 'medium hard' 345 called soft medium hard Pack 4 'hard' 456 called soft medium hard

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

I commented the exact same idea! (but with higher numbers as softer)

[@ELUSIVEJIM]

During the 2012 season, there were 7 different winners in the first 7 races. Perhaps degrading tyres actually gives other teams a chance.

[@yoyo-tx6zg]

Gasly, the guy who went from p20 to p10 apparently had a poor race

[@wastefellow2569]

Senne Koster, yeah, that’s on fire!

[@echo-kb6qj]

The Superhard tyre was never supposed to be used. They build that tyre as a "backup", if it hard turn out that the other tyres were too agressive/soft, so they could have a backup for a harder tyre....

[@AdzSONLINE]

You have to either have tyres that degrade so quickly you can't save them, or really durable ones the drivers can push on. This in-between compound isn't really working. Go back and watch a season like 2012, it was incredibly exciting with the pace difference on new tyres.

[@willbooty7]

The hardest pirelli tyre was produced as an 'emergency' tyre in case they found degradation was a lot more extreme than they expected at the start of the season

[@mscbijles1256]

I think I got Kimi figured out. Your piece with him was wonderful, as was an interview he gave to Ziggo Sport (sort of the Sky of The Netherlands). What they had in common was the unconventional approach, with questions that really made him think again!

[@samu10k91]

kimi interviewed with Ziggo? do you ahve a link?

[@111risto]

@@samu10k91 just type in search bar. Ziggo sport kimi true pf false

[@samu10k91]

he's Tommy's best man... so.... Tommy is... married??? 😵😮

[@WeThePeople018]

Jason 10K 1+1=2

[@WTF1official]

He is indeed

[@samu10k91]

@@WTF1official i am officially shook 😱

[@mnapoletano7723]

💔

[@keastie6671]

There goes my chances

[@wastefellow2569]

I am honestly a fan of the hypersofts. I also like the idea of the superhards, but I’m definitely a ‘soft’ kind of guy

[@MogsterKupo]

If we get a Lewis vs Max wheel to wheel situation in the two remaining races, I'm quite liking the idea of Lewis having a completely different attitude now that he's wrapped up the championship. Instead of thinking "I'm staying well away from that, mate..." he could think "Screw it, I'm being Max for one day." Who knows? They might take each other out. :)

[@mathewhosier1663]

The whole point of soft tires is more grip but they don't last and overheat on hot surfaces, if you want to go all in you should be using a harder compound

[@Miragexe]

If some cars are just better at handling tires than others it's easy points for them.. just build a car around tire management.. even if its slow it doesnt matter if you can do 1 stop where everyone else has to do 2 stops or more.. so you get an advantage of 15-30 seconds atleast.

[@HydranoidCreations]

I think I'm part of a small portion of fans that, regardless of who you support, what team you follow, it's never nice to see something bad happen to someone at their home race. Hamilton at Silverstone, and Vettel in Germany for example

[@iiComment13]

Alright, what have I missed? Jess is even more attractive than last week!!!

[@aaronbrozio]

yes she is

[@jannohuberts4]

She likes the new guy tho😕

[@thomasordish1864]

Where is tommy?.?.

[@FolksyCash04]

probably something about a VISA

[@starshippower88]

WTF1 Podcast but Car Throttle Sticker on the laptop ( 👍 )

[@karthickshankar1527]

And here I thought nobody noticed it

[@ChrisJohnson-ts5cw]

It’s the parent company

[@cooramoor100]

It was Max's second season, he had a full season in Toro Rosso with Sainz and barcellona his second season he was put in the Red Bull and won on debut ;)

[@f1.focus.]

There’s been a lot discussion about making the races better, last week with the “no practice” debate and now about having fast degrading tyres, but I think people have to remember that F1 is supposed to be about teams and drivers racing to be the best. And you won’t find out who is the best if there are so many variables. I think that practice should remain and there shouldn’t be faster degrading practice. People nowadays are solely focused on making F1 entertaining which is sometimes good but, a lot of people are forgetting what F1 is about.

[@mathewhosier1663]

Baylisted f1 is about pushing the engineering and technology to its limits but at the same time reigning in when there's an unfair advantage, for the mid pack to get better they have to invest more money but that's solely dependent on where you finish in points, so we are chasing our tail, the best team s earn the most money so they can invest more into their cars, f1 will always be this way until they reign in the costs

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

I think a better solution would be to number the tyre compounds. Superhard=1, Hypersoft=7.

[@justme3022]

gasly had a great race, from p20 to p10, in a toro rosso, ending in front of hartley who drove with a updated car, i'd call that pretty solid

[@nephlimjedi4741]

Give Jason his free WTF1 hoodie. Also, there is a desert where it snows, it's in Kazachstan.

[@TheOdd]

It would never happen now, because of how unsafe it can be, but I would just love to see them bring back refueling. Give the drivers tyres that can withstand being pushed for longer but smaller fuel tanks, so they have to come in a few more times but the cars are also lighter and faster as a result.

[@mscbijles1256]

TheOdd101 Unsafe? There seem to be more unsafe releases due to misfitted tyres in one year than fuel related incidents in the last 5 or 10 years in which that was still allowed, I think.

[@TheOdd]

@@mscbijles1256 True, they're so desperate to do them as fast as possible now that teams are making a lot of mistakes. Who knows, refueling might make pitstops safer purely because they'll be slower.

[@bernardomacara6284]

9:50 i agree with Jason, way better metaphor

[@mcrider7776]

Is it me or does Jess start twirling her hair like a blender when anyone new comes the podcast

[@alexhanderbrie7691]

McRider 777 noticed it aswell

[@TCONBRENTFORD]

Everyone said that this season would be more competitive than the last, but when Hamilton is inform, he is unstoppable

[@markpellman4941]

Yes Matt, Hülkenberg earned pole at the 2010 Brazilian GP. Finished in 8th that race though :/

[@Erudite450]

1. Nico Hulkenberg took pole in mixed conditions at Interlagos in 2010 2. Max Verstappen had a full rookie season in 2015 at Toro Rosso before swapping places with Daniil 'The Torpedo' Kvyat in Barcelona 2016. 3. Ricciardo retired with HYDRAULIC failure! Come on guys, do your research!

[@vasishtvasudevan4059]

It snows in parts of Sahara . But snow does not always melt in a desert , else how is Antarctica icy all year ? Yes , go with your instinct guys . You were right , Hulk got pole with Williams in 2010 and was battling for the lead with the Mclarens in 2012 before crashing with Hamilton . Third , Gasly had a great race P20 to P10

[@danielmcgurk4991]

I think pirelli should name the tyres soft medium and hard but keep the colours the same so you know what compound it still is

[@fieldmartan4426]

Been waiting all day for the podcast! : D

[@gailja]

Can we talk about Jess's perfect laugh 😂. Great podcast guys! Good work to the team for the look of the new space. Keep being dope 👌👍

[@DonCheadle27]

42:30 it wasn't his rookie season, it was his second after he moved at the start of 2016

[@Heksu99]

The hardest tyre was the just in case option for Pirelli in case the tyres were too soft

[@davidf5449]

Please watch the onboards before the review.....Vandorne had a great race it was not due to other cars misfortune

[@TheZanzaroni]

A lot of teams did not struggle with tyre wear, Mercedes did and it's Mercedes' fault for not setting their car up to be kinder on its tyres. As was the point of controversy on the lower tread tyres for Spain,Austria and Silverstone before any kind of data proving that most teams agreed with the tweaking, a team struggling with something the rest can handle is not a reason to change the regulations.

[@mehdibenhammou1608]

I agree with matt that leclerc shows the potential of a great champion, but i'm afraid this move to ferrari is too early and that we could have a kvyat type situation (now dont tear me a new one, I know leclerc and kvyat are worlds apart when it comes to raw potential) where too much will be expected too soon, and we'll get a somewhat underperforming driver, that burns out by his second season.

[@leriava]

Congrats on meeting Sharl!

[@Saboo8444]

By the looks of it, Jess wants to give Jason something way better than a .001 hoodie!

[@minkl6517]

Last time i was this fast, my girlfriend broke up with me...

[@TomiVuori]

@MiXA28 then why did you comment?

[@minkl6517]

@MiXA28 what tommy says if you dont care dont bother me with it ;) have a good day

[@Jordan51203]

Mink L I don't think anyone in the replies got the joke.....

[@TomiVuori]

@@Jordan51203 what, that his gf wants "fun" to last longer?

[@juliabishir3636]

Wrap up season podcast YES PLEASE i'm already sick of winter break because there will be no races and your content about them

[@mscbijles1256]

Julia Bishir Maybe they should seriously consider a Formula E podcast.

[@leumas75]

Give Jasón a .001 hoodie. Fulfill the prophecy, as the Rory has decreed.

[@Dan-ny3fs]

"A bar of soap in the shower water" - Matthew Gallagher describing tires everybody!

[@maxgrime3902]

They already use a similar tyre system in MotoGP and it's really not an issue. Anoraks will look at it and understand it while casual watchers won't care and it won't really matter.

[@tlanthony82]

Imagine Seb winning next years championship. 2020: The race to 6 championships.

[@flyingberserker3965]

f1 turns in 24 hours of le mans management race, that what f1 turned.

[@calumandersen8545]

Are you guys doing the podcast during the offseason too?

[@EvO24]

I think that degrading tyres discourages GOOD racing. Its not fun seeing a car trundle by, getting mauled by everyone on fresh tyres.

[@alvinchan7746]

Hypersofts with the durability of LMP1 tyres would be nice.

[@Guust_Flater]

Touching hair counter: 2 Men total, rounded upwards : 0 x Jes : 34 x

[@SimCurves]

Give Jason a .001 hoodie. Seriously. :P ;)

[@GTE_Channel]

Degrading tires put an extra unpredictable factor in racing wich is always good.

[@robertofontiglia4148]

That is the sound of a much larger cupboard for your podcast... :)

[@malvin9250]

I would ....and make a mini deck chair too that I can have display on my shelf

[@goldvisor]

Ricciardo has actually offered it to Gasly before. i think the race before the announcemend he would move to Renault and Gasly was named his replacement

[@dynamo4582]

Hulkenberg did indeed qualify on pole in Brazil 2010

[@horaizui8897]

How about switching qualy to friday with only one practice session prior, and saturday can be used for race pace practice. It will still shake up the order, and race more exciting.

[@Erudite450]

Very bad idea! That would make things worse! One of the most important issues teams face is balancing the low fuel single lap speed with race pace because of the parc ferme rule immediately they role out of the garage for qualy. Some teams are kinder on their tyres in the race but can't switch them on easily in qualy while others can generate the necessary tyre temperature for a single lap but struggle in the longer runs. If they did what you just said, the fastest team on Saturday would easily be the fastest team on Sunday because they don't need to make any qualy-race setup compromises.

[@horaizui8897]

@@Erudite450 that's still mean the fastest will win, so no problem. But with qualy already done, grid order might be jumbled and u get overtakes on Sunday, imo.

[@Erudite450]

@@horaizui8897 They only need a single session to perfect the setup for qualy so we would still get the fastest cars at the sharp end while also having the chance to perfect their race pace on Saturday without having to compromise their single-lap speed.

[@dominikskorjanc]

3:12 i did nahtt

[@javalinsta]

oh hi mark

[@kurtismengham6221]

Oh hi mic

[@juleskerstens4472]

GIVE JASON A HOODY!!!!!!!!

[@tlanthony82]

I am hoping for Seb to win the championship next year so we can see if Lewis will be as happy for Seb as Seb was for Lewis (this year and last year) He is very respectful towards Lewis on the races where he locks the championship up. I feel like Lewis would not react that way.

[@levispaargaren]

gasly not that poor of a race from 20 to 10 ?

[@jeroenbons637]

Jeroen Bons Yes Hamilton drove sensible. Now I noticed something remarkable on F1. I don't know if you did watch "LIVE at the Mexican Grand Prix" where they show the drivers parade. This time it was colorful, loud, happy and vibrant but....well let me resume The Parade in those beautiful vintage cars. The video reserved a lot of time for: 1. Checco Perez, (he's Mexican) DNF, 2. Fernando A. (he speaks Spanish) DNF, 3. Daniel R. (pole sitter) DNF, 4. Romain G.? (finished ??last), 5, Lewis Ham. (won the title already weeks ago) and last but not least the man that did feature only 0,026th of a second in this video..well actually not at all.. Max Verstappen (2nd time race winner in Mexico). On top af all that - after the race Hamilton stole the show from the race winner with his obligatory donut and pumping up the public - like he did last year. And he was not on the podium - like he was not last year. Yes you guessed right I'm Dutch (Amsterdam).

[@Erudite450]

If you actually watch F1, you would know that when a driver is dominating a race he/she tends to get less screen time - Barcelona (Hamilton), Montreal (Vettel), Paul Ricard (Hamilton) to name a few.

[@jeroenbons637]

Mr. Mers. Miss.? Erudite450 > Yes, 'during the race' and that is normal because the camera goes where the action is. But I was talking about the "drivers parade". Max was sitting in a tiny red MG if I am not mistaken and it stroke me as odd that this 'last years winner' and a possible 'this years winner' was not picked up by the camera. You can watch the Mexican drivers parade 2018 on you tube: F1: LIVE at the Mexican Grand Prix 338.647 weergaven 4K 190 SHARE STORE FORMULA 1 Live gestreamd op 28 okt. 2018 GEABONNEERD 1,7 MLN. Join Hamilton, Vettel and the full grid and see if the 2018 World Champion is decided today! For more F1® videos, visit www.Formula1.com

[@roxannelyson7715]

I don't think Ric's comments about the car are the end of world. Hamilton was saying similar things in 2015 about his car.

[@billycrook3662]

Was this the first Verstappen win without some weird coincidence? Or has Kvyat been secretly dropped from STR?

[@timothyheimbach3260]

He won at Austria

[@billycrook3662]

Timothy Heimbach yeah but after both Mercedes retiring, which was the same as Spain 2016 so it made it a weird coincidence

[@nephlimjedi4741]

Nothing happened to Kvyat since Malaysia 2017... he's had 3 wins without the Kvyat statistic.

[@AKLINYOLUF1]

Literally nobody mentioning that Bottas actually got lapped in a Mercedes.

[@fiso4177]

Hülkenberg deserves a Podium!!!

[@Geda.gede.gada.gadaoo]

The old room was a lot better

[@zac6837]

It wasn't Max's rookie season he had a full season in Torro Rosso in 2015.

[@mariomaster0248]

Pierre Gasly has a pretty good race. Finishing P10 from P20.

[@Wargasm82]

Jess looks kinda exhausted, did she met Lewis?

[@Dan4096]

I think I missed that joke haha

[@seanbrady400]

1 thing u can get snow in a desert the definition of a desert is a large area of land made up of one surface so the artic and antarctic are deserts