Was Vettel’s 5 Second Penalty Fair?

Was Vettel's a 5-second penalty enough or were the stewards too lenient considering the race outcome? This episode of the WTF1 podcast is packed full of topics following the 2018 French Grand Prix. We discuss Max Verstappen getting sassy with the media, Fernando Alonso's Twitter activity and whether the criticism of Circuit Paul Ricard was justified, plus much more so come and have a listen.
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---- Timestamps ----
0:18 - Ali’s back! Who cares about Tommy?
0:51 - Ali’s 3-Word Race Review (attempt)
2:32 - That was unexpected
3:12 - Nice gorilla trophy
4:42 - Magny Cours, who?
7:09 - Your 3-Word Race Reviews
10:13 - Was Vettel’s 5-second penalty enough?
16:18 - Verstappen getting sassy
19:07 - Should “OOOH CHARLES (Leclerc)” replace Raikkonen?
26:23 - Where will Alonso be next season?
29:31 - #FreddoGate
32:20 - Circuit Paul Ricard - what did we think?
37:23 - Driver of the Day
42:20 - Predictions for Austria

[@WTF1official]

Don’t worry - we’ve fired the audio guy 😉 Better audio next time!

[@Solarrus_]

Is this serious or a joke I can't tell 😁

[@greerthompson4151]

"Dad why is my sister called rose" "Because ur mom loves roses" "Thanks dad" "No problem Chilli"

[@good24]

audio guy penalty is still too lenient

[@Cobus85]

Wtf1: please name all eight(8) mistakes where max verstappen was 100% at fault... Can't any of you four remember vettel's big mistakes in the last 2 years alone, i can surely name a few big one's who a 4 time world champ shouldn't be making!! Also funny nobody of the four of you mentioning max is leading daniel 5-3 in qualy..... wonder why though.. maybe its because danny is known to be a qualy beast, but max is taming him and beating him there pretty big in numbers

[@jontytodd-stewart3908]

WTF1 is mat drinking squash?

[@eliavandeberkt183]

Bottas didn't get a penalty in Baku en Barcelona last year when he ruined the races of Kimi an Max so 5 seconds for Vettel is enough.

[@smb-b3rkt118]

Elia Van De Berkt great answer brother

[@danielo7985]

You couldnt give bottas a penalty in Spain for that accident because he was too cautious into turn one (its like saying hey! You are trying to award an incident but take a penalty). Baku was fine but the kerb was too high so when bottas hit it he just slid wide into kimi. Compared to vettel who just locked up due to his own mistake and killed bottas' race (Verstappan got 10 seconds for hitting riccy)

[@Cain353]

Daniel O That doesn't make any sense.

[@danielo7985]

McBaron yes it does In spain Bottas was too cautious into turn one which caused the accident. You cannot give a driver a penalty for being too cautious therefore it was a racing incident Baku, Bottas was side by side with kimi, he ended up hitting a raised inside curb which slid him into kimi. Thats a racing incident as well

[@Cain353]

Daniel O So when Bottas makes a mistake it's a racing incident?...

[@flippyunited6364]

Baguettes of the day: Ocon and Gasly

[@calster2545]

JORGE URIBE Best comment of 2018 right there!

[@Woudam]

Why Gasly?

[@flippyunited6364]

It's a joke do you not get it

[@FreeOnGoal]

*Jess' legs* *>* *Matts Legs*

[@Und1234]

Watch Matt shave his legs for the next podcast

[@imaner76]

Forget the legs on Matt, can't see passed the socks!! And I'm at the age to away with that! But I still choose ankle socks. Because it's decent and proper. #FreeAdvice

[@imaner76]

Advice, that's given. It's guidance or recommendations offered with regard to swift and required action. In reference, if required. To Matt's sock length vs shorts.

[@aditsatt]

lmaoo

[@genericmonkeytube]

They need to switch seats

[@DonCheadle27]

When you're talking about Max cutting the chicane at turn 1 at the start; he started 4th and Vettel and Bottas collided making them drop back which pushed Max to 2nd so he didn't actually gain any places. When he rejoined the track he was alongside Hamilton and then let Hamilton go past again because he was initially in 2nd place.

[@Und1234]

Bottas crashed Raikkonen out of the race in both Spain and Baku last year and got nothing. Hamilton fans need to stop playing the victim card.

[@smb-b3rkt118]

The Undisputed your so right😎

[@danielo7985]

The Undisputed you couldnt give bottas a penalty in Spain for that accident because he was too cautious into turn one (its like saying hey! You are trying to avoid an incident but take a penalty). Baku was fine but the kerb was too high so when bottas hit it he just slid wide into kimi. Compared to vettel who just locked up due to his own mistake

[@Und1234]

Bottas could have easily backed out in Baku. He decided to keep his nose in and fight for a position that was already lost, then he lost the car and punted Raikkonen into the wall. The exact same happened in Spain.

[@michelmulder5770]

The Undisputed Max also got collected as a 2nd victim there in both races

[@donpapi373]

Daniel O go cry ham fanboy🖕🏻🖕🏻

[@Imortalwine]

We need more of Jess in videos.

[@ramondobma]

She is freaking annoying

[@eruptic6503]

Even if he had a 10-15 second penalty he was still way ahead of the next car.(Not a Vettel fan btw)

[@Abdul-pv1qt]

I Am Sekou Would

[@thewheelspinreport]

Germans found it pretty easy to get into France. How hard can it be to get into Paul Ricard? jk

[@tobybrown1194]

Love these post-race​ podcasts

[@gregokaj9968]

The thing is the stewards looking the accident and not the outcome at the end of the race! I don't know why is it so difficult to understand.

[@gregokaj9968]

Nice, your brain must be bigger than a peanut... or is it?

[@willemgroen7546]

Let's take a moment to laugh at Germany 😂😂

[@calster2545]

Tall Man The one time I watch football, Germany goes out! Me watching football makes the better teams do worse😂

[@willemgroen7546]

F4H Calster Well you should do it more often because everyone in the Netherlands had a really good day because of Germany losing 😂

[@calster2545]

Tall Man lol!

[@corversteeg76]

Tall Man what ever you do don't mention the war

[@ollypolly8113]

Yeah... I'm a Germany fan... It is just annoying really for me because it is so out of order and weird, but I have come to the conclusion that I honestly don't care and were so bad the whole group stage that they deserved it.

[@t.l.5147]

Best Part of the Triplheader? The three podcasts ❤️

[@Louiss_19]

Why isn't the title 'Vettel just doesn't care anymore'? he didn't win.

[@ollypolly8113]

Hahah good one lol

[@Strieb]

Watching some boring youtube video's. A few minutes later. Gets a notification from WTF1 CLICKS STRAIGHT ON THE VIDEO. Love your vids WTF1 keep up the great work :D Edit: OMG TY FOR THE HEART :O

[@andreataccani5286]

I think he should not have been penalised. Bottas' race was ruined, but it was a racing incident. It's not totally Vettel's fault, because when he locks up he can't control his car. Of course he could also brake earlier, but when you follow another car there is no grip.

[@avengerous6970]

Andrea Taccani Totally Agree

[@gpol674]

Completely his fault. 4 time world champion shouldn't lock up especially at the first corner

[@ollypolly8113]

Ihsan Husandi whaaat? Wait a minute what is that noise I hear? I think it is saying... "Vettel fan"🙃🤔

[@gothicgolem2947]

+Geralo;d Pollard yes but you dont no what was happening inside he said he tried to brake early but he lost grip and locvked up so it could very well b not his fault

[@avengerous6970]

Gearóid Pollard Even 4 time world champions make mistakes sometimes you know

[@wildwilco]

at around 10:00 you where talking about max ''gaining'' positions going straight on... Lewis started 1st, Bottas and Vettel 2nd and 3rd respectively, and they both crashed out. so max didnt GAIN anything, it was bottas and Vettel who lost their positions.

[@ikkezegtie]

especially because of the safety car

[@ramondobma]

These people are always looking for something to be negative about max it's getting annoying

[@wildwilco]

Ramon Dobma, people are always talking about F1 needs to be more exciting... they finally have a driver thats more exciting and thats probably brought in half of the current F1 watchers today (because it was literally dying). and now people are like ''OH MY GOD HES TOO DANGEROUS HES ACTUALLY TRYING TO OVERTAKE OTHER DRIVERS!!!! REEEEEE''

[@DrCrazyPhenom]

Original post seems objective. This comment, fanboy exposed. Nobody has a vendetta against the kid, calm your tits.

[@wildwilco]

Crazy Phenom not a fanboy, I just like the way he drives and brings excitement to the track. And what hole are you living in? All the media has a vendetta against him evenveel when he crashes without his fault its somehow his fault. Especially the verstappen haters. Aka. hamilton/vettel fanboys

[@DOPYT1]

Jess, If it was Max, would you say the same? 5 sec is fair? I don't think so.

[@theglitch312]

I've got the feeling they are a bit judgy regarding Max. Especially their focus on avoiding the incident without losing places (or gaining them). One of the Haas drivers even overtook Kimi I think, but he's not Max so it's ignored. Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

[@joshflynn2173]

Daan Wmn exactly!

[@zhorizonking8799]

Vettels penalty was fair, his start was to fast and had nowhere to go he was boxed in by the two Mercedes

[@slikrx]

Yes, he was fast, but there's this magical thing that could have avoided the crash: brake pedal. He was stupidly aggressive and just went brain dead by not braking earlier. It's not like it was unexpected that he lost aero in the corner.

[@callumpenman5992]

slikrx here’s another thing that could of stopped it; hamiltons accelerator pedal on a flat out straight.

[@SimonGanjawalugandanewsanalyst]

Callum Penman try harder...

[@BenKill]

slikrx Not sure if you saw the view of Vettels onboard. He breaked earlier than he should've, but then went a bit on the gas again, saw Hamilton slowing down and then he locked up, crashing into Bottas. 5 seconds is actually fair, considering that it was almost impossible to avoid the crash at the point, where he slowed down the first time.

[@callumpenman5992]

BenDaKill - exactly! Boxed in, with no grip, no downforce and no space going into turn 1. An accident waiting to happen

[@imviiku]

Change Your Thumbnail for Podcast if You want Views.. And in Title do mention " PODCAST "

[@flippyunited6364]

Alonso's reaction to Vettel's penalty (maybe idk):"Five seconds is a joke... A JOKE!!!!!!!"

[@lisawensink6906]

JORGE URIBE grosjean’s reaction on his 5 seconds penalty: ITS A JOKE!

[@davidf5449]

A yoke *

[@lukasgarage956]

Alonso sucks

[@flippyunited6364]

I think your talking about his car

[@flippyunited6364]

Also,did you know he won 24 hrs @ Le Mans!

[@reece5040]

Hamilton and vettel will not battle this year because of dirty air

[@MrBre4ker]

Am I the only one who worries about the Sauber model car's (bottom right) obviously broken track rod on the left front wheel?

[@MrBre4ker]

You don't notice the front wheels are pointing in completely different directions?

[@vasco__moura]

Finally something good to listen while studying for my finals exams (Mechanical Engineering)

[@Quellification]

You and me both, man. Also ME

[@davidcastro3881]

Vasco Moura if u like this, I suggest TF1W (The F1 Word) who are imo are better than this WTF1 Podcast (although this is quite good)

[@vasco__moura]

Stig 1738 thanks for the suggestion!!

[@umer_rs]

Missed Apex Podcast are good as well.

[@insertname8889]

Vasco Moura Auguri per la laura mate

[@gianpaolomartini5196]

Hungary 2017. At the second corner Verstappen crashed into Ricciardo who couldn't even finish the race. Verstappen got a 10-second penalty.... Bottas could finish the race.... so yes.... 5-second penalty is enough....

[@DonCheadle27]

Bottas finished lap 1 about 30 seconds (that is a guess) behind Vettel, that gap that was made due to the puncture and was caused by Vettel, that time should have been the penalty given. Obviously not after the race is finished and seeing how far down the order Bottas finished but working out the actual time lost compared to Vettel which was after lap 1 and before any effort of the drivers was made.

[@andremacleod492]

According to that logic, when Grosjean spun into Ocon and ended his race in Brazil last year, instaed of 5 secs, which is the standard for such lap 1 incidents, Grosjean shouldve gotten the black flag?! Get real

[@DonCheadle27]

Andre Macleod - Well yeah he should have had a bigger penalty then 5 seconds, when a driver ends another drivers race they should be penalised more then a simple 5 seconds which is pretty much nothing retrospect

[@DebjitGoswami]

Where were the Merc guys who think they are better than the stewards, when Max finished ahead of Seb in China? In both the two races it was Vettel who was more hurt than either of Max and Bottas as he is the Championship contender

[@PinderProductions]

I think my drivers of the day would be Leclerc for his general amazing performance of late, Raikkonen for making an overtake on Riccardo, despite his issues.

[@BladeRunner031]

I think VER last inc on lap 1 was with his teammate last year in Hungary? I mean inc which is his fault

[@michelmulder5770]

When Max does it you blow a fuse and Lewis last year did the same on other track

[@nickk.2851]

Why does this channel have still 230k subs...You deserve more than a million!

[@andrewlewis02]

I made it into the podcast at 32:22 . Mum I made it!

[@joshflynn2173]

Andrew Lewis congrats!

[@gavin7261]

Vettel to win in Austria!!! 🇩🇪

[@gavin7261]

I Am Sekou yes and deal with it , cause he will, it actually might be max winning , but I want vettel mostly kimi to win

[@axemanracing6222]

Ham break tested Vet, Vet avoiding crash. Bot + Vet crashed. Vet got penalized. Usual british FIA weekend.

[@jeroenbons637]

Max was mocking the media (press, journalists) because they, and a lot of amateur commentators in the net, make huge fuzz about small human errors. And keep going on about it in repeating the same questions, suggestions and advice over and over and over again. He was simply, jokingly putting the press in its place. Almost accusing them of producing FAKE NEWS. I think it was ironic, funny, mature, brave and refreshing. Lewis liked it a lot!

[@f1arfon]

Giddy fanboying of Ccchhhhaarrrrllllll similar to Herbert fanboying and grinning like a Cheshire Cat on Sky Sports over Verstappen in his early F1 years....

[@vagosthe0280]

do you remember when Alonso was still at Ferrari and Hamilton overtook the safty car? he got a drive through penalty 20 LAPS later!!!!! and there was no point of the panalty. because he overtook the SC so he gained the time 2-3 times from the SC. also he took the penalty 20 laps later so after the SC left the track, he had time to build a huge gap from the drivers behind...that penalty was a joke, not Vettel 's. do you remember Max 's penalty at China? it was a worse (or at least same) incident and he got 10 seconds. not much difference from 5 to 10. soooo......

[@ryaramaf1gobshite397]

ALO won fuck all at Le Mans he was giv'n the win by his team as every other race team has done for him in the past he couldn't win a argument without a race team cheating for him!!!THE HULK 'WON' the 24hr 'racing' other teams!!!

[@jeroenbons637]

Predictions for Austria--- all wrong.. I give you a hint: 3 - 2 - 1... So you will be surprised.

[@murphy1845]

The main problem with F1 is that us fans are satisfied with it being the same three teams year after year after year winning. Not just the hybrid era, but the Red Bull dominance, early Ferrari dominance in ‘00-04. The sport should not have eras of dominance. No other sports league in the world has that. In America, our major sports, apart from the NBA, has a different winner every year. F1 needs that. Renault this year, Ferrari next, Red Bull after that, Haas after that, Force India after them. But it’s not possible in a league like this. And it never will be due to the structure of F1. F1 needs rebuilt from the ground up, but that isn’t possible now.

[@TripleTSingt]

Imma tell you: Bottas Hamilton Vettel. It's one of the tracks where Bottas is actually a good driver and not just in the fastest car. Hamilton is not in it this season, he won't be in front of Bottas except when Mercedes has some nice orders for Valtteri. And I feel like neither Red Bull nor Ferrari will be competitive this weekend. And as much as I would love for Lewis to have some DIFFICULTY for once, he's just always lucky with incidents and stuff.

[@imhotep2223]

It was 100% Vettel's fault for not getting it slowed down in time. Bottas left plenty of room. It's entirely possible (had the collision unfolded differently) for Vettel to have not sustained any damage but Bottas to still have been dropped to the back of the field. In that situation Vettel would likely have finished 2nd or 3rd despite a 5s penalty and Bottas 6th at best. Hardly fair, is it? If Bottas hadn't had floor damage the 5s could have been enough to drop Vettel behind him in this case, but it wouldn't have done if Vettel hadn't also had to pit to fix damage - and clearly a driver shouldn't escape punishment just because they've already hurt themselves. If you commit a foul in football it's still a freekick/penalty even if you injure yourself doing it. The stewards should take into account the context of the incident within the race, and if a driver has caused another to lose more places they should be penalised more heavily. Vettel's penalty was the same as Hulkenberg got for cutting a chicane to overtake Perez in Abu Dhabi last year - but his actions cost Bottas 16 places (and it would've been 18 plus most of a lap if Ocon and Gasly hadn't crashed to bring out the SC), whereas Perez only lost 1. It makes a mockery of the sport if a driver can benefit from breaking the rules. If you want to prevent that possibility then the penalty should be sufficient to put the offender behind the car he's wronged, just like giving a position back if you cut a chicane. Depending on damage he might easily re-pass, but that's beyond the stewards' control. You can never stop a driver deliberately taking someone else out, but the penalty for that is a permanent stain on your character - see M Schumacher. In this situation Vettel has got away with it basically unpunished, and he and Ferrari have benefited relative to Bottas and Mercedes. Imagine if he'd done this to Hamilton - he would have extended his championship lead!

[@maxcamposano5316]

I feel like everyone talks about Alonso coming to indy as if it’s a bygone conclusion that he’d win the championship and the 500, but if he came to indy (I pray he does) I think he would have his hands full against Rossi, Dixon, Power, Newgarden, etc

[@adammurray158]

I flew to the French grand prix from Manchester and the 45 mile drive from Marseille airport took 6 hours with the first 40 miles taking 50 minutes and other 5 hours and 10 minutes was on the last 5 miles. I completely missed fp1 and 2 but its ok because I could hear it in the f*ckin traffic outside the circuit!!! Should of saved my money and not even bothered buying my Friday ticket

[@farabekhanalif7107]

You can't set Penalties based on what Lewis Ham or Merc says.. Because when they make mistakes we all should become a saint and we all should forgive them, because they are our heroes and mistakes happen, but Incase of Vettel or Max, they are angels and if they commit mistake they should be hanged to death.. because they are danger and life threat to other people(Merc drivers) on the track.. How ridiculous and stupid people can become.. It's a turn 1 incident first of all and Vet was in the slipstream and also did lock up, and turn 1s are always caos. Now according to Ham if Bottas forgot driving after that should vet finish behind him even then?... what a stupid comment that is by Lewis Ham, I never expected it from him and neither do I expect this from someone like you people.. cheers.. (It's just from my point of view.)

[@Fujiwara.Takumi1]

Shut it with it being Vettel's fault. It's just karma and race accident for merce boxing vettel in. Be honest to yourself. (Vettel hater). Anyways, Alonso is wasting his time and other's time in F1. There are better drivers that deserve a sit in F1 like Pascal Weherlin

[@taddensetlie]

I've come here just after the grand prix only to laugh at Mercedes and Hamilton. "Get in there Lewis, in the fucking grass. And never come back."

[@ollieclark6825]

Max was hounded by the press... Fair play to him to have a little kickback at them. I'm sure it wasn't directed at Vettel at all, just the jobsworth, broken record journalists

[@j3d89]

what kind of f1 have you been watching.... when vettel messed up rarely raikonen was there, when vettel was doing ok fighting the mercedes with an inferior car in other seasons he was fighting one of the redbull for 5th or 6th, i mean raikonen had the second best car after the superior mercedes 2015/2016/2017 but he was never there, marchionne calling him laggard why do you think that happened?

[@nielsvanb]

What about Hungary 2017? Max made the same mistake as Vettel and got 10sec for it. The only difference was that daniel couldnt carry on but charlie whiting said they don’t look at the outcome but only at the mistake itself, which was the same

[@f1arfon]

Vettel's effective 'penalty' also negated by Safety Car being called out for turn 4 incident. Had the incident not happened and normal racing speed in effect, it would have been harder for him to claw back the 30-40 second (maybe even a lap down) gap from the back of the field, without it.

[@jeroenbons637]

first lap, cutting the corner, Max avoided an incident/accident/collision/ruining someones race/etc. and he did not gain a position... so? He was smart and professional. Oh.. and my driver of the day is Rowan Atkinson.

[@AGD_27]

I think when it comes to stuff like this you have to imagine how people will take advantage of it. If you start to impose that a penalty should always have a visible effect on results people will take advantage, say Hamilton get a penalty in Quali and starts at the back but fights through and wins the race do Ferrari have the right to appeal the win and push him down to 12th because that's what the penalty is for. No, they should get a penalty based on purely the incident, ignore what team the racer is with. Just did this driver make a decision that risked the safety of others in the interest of gaining position, if its a small mistake: 5 seconds, big stupid mistake: 10-15 seconds, forcing a dodgy move to fit: drive through, going for a gap that doesn't exist/purposely hitting someone: black flag. Weither its for 1st or 21st breaking the same rule should get the same penalty.

[@Dario_Valentini]

When Verstappen t-boned Vettel at the hairpin in China and didn’t get penalised for having ruined his race about halfway through, nobody complained. So why the fuck are all these Mercedes fanboys throwing shit at Vettel like he should’ve been black flagged and stuff like that? Sebastian misjudged the braking point because he was a lot faster than Hamilton, and even tho Vallteri didn’t leave him space I think that still was Vettel’s fault. He didn’t do that on purpose and apologised. He was handed a penalty taking into consideration the situation of the incident, and 5 seconds is fair, you can’t give someone more of a penalty just because he’s fast and you wanna ruin his race at all costs. So guys please don’t talk shit about someone because you don’t like him, and give your opinion on things being fair and respectful.

[@adaml83]

Here's the thing I suspect Alonso will say something completely different about his Honda IndyCar engine.

[@minetrucker]

I think, it's only mclaren's fault. When you look at the speed through sectors and on the speed traps, you see McLaren on the bottom of the list even with Renault engine. Mclaren blamed honda for a bad engine to not damage the brand of McLaren that much. Yes, the engines were unreliable and thirsty during a race. But I don't think, it was not powerful enough. As a better example is Williams. They have engine from mercedes and still, due to poor aero and possibly the chassis, they are last. So people usually started to forget how important role play part the aero and chassis. Honda is getting better and they will challenge Ferrari and Mercedes with red bull next year.

[@threshfanboy9131]

To the Vettel Thing : Given the Situation everyone was in. I think of course Vettel hit Bottas, so yea he is at fault, but, I personally think bottas could have braked later, Vettel could've breaked earlier, Bottas could have left more room going into the corner towards the right. I think it's just a Race accident, nothing special. Yea Vettel is in a Ferrari and got to the field faster, because the Mercedes is better driving in front, and ferrari works better in bad air. Of course it sucks for bottas, no doubt. But I genuinely think that it was a Race accident and we have seen stuff like that before, it's just due to Vettel and Hamilton being so close, and him not feeling good about how Vettel got to come back.

[@SkeeterMcTavish]

Yes, it was fair, Mercedes will still win both championships. There. Saved you 45 minutes.

[@8ofthe7deadlysins]

On the Alonos to IndyCar 1. The team does not matter as much as f1 so he should not care too much. Maybe he could help juncos racing which is a new team also Chevy powered so no Honda issue. 2. The speedway has to choose him to win even if it's superstitious just look at the Andretti curse since 1969. 3. He does not have the practice in the new chassis unlike everyone else in the field but Hinchcliffe

[@Geda.gede.gada.gadaoo]

It was vettel which was about to take the wrong turn in free practice at the straight not kimi

[@g.g.baxter4868]

Lewis Fan here, and Vettels punishment was fair, maybe on another day he might have got away with that one. Shouldn't have been more. Really unfortunate for Bottas, but again, on another day, he might have got away with no damage and finished ahead of Seb. U cant go around punishing drivers based on the damage the other team are reporting, or based on what corner it happened at. Had it been in the last corner, Bottas gets less damage getting back to the pits. U have to be consistent with the punishment fitting the crime, The after effect, and final result isn't part of that process, the collision and whos fault it is. Sucks that Vettel finished ahead but theres no evidence that he wouldn't have anyway, Look at Lewis/Vettel in Baku, should Vettel have got another penalty because Lewis head rest came loose, no, what if Vettels engine went, does that make the penalty ok coz he didn't finish anyway. No. U cant go punishing Vettel more than say Grosjean based on the Fact Vettels cars faster so its easier to make up places either. Theres an arguements sure to say Vettel was at the back due to his own damage not the penalty where Bottas was at the back because of Vettel but Vettel wasn't even over aggressive, He had too good a start, got boxed in with no where to go, lost front end, locked up. It was a mistake and in hindsight, perhaps should have backed out earlier, but these are super committed drivers and u don't win world championships by backing out. 5 Seconds was the correct penalty.

[@blairhenderson1476]

Nice to see Ali back on the podcast almost as good as Sam. I can really see Hamilton, Raikkonen, Alonso, Grosjean and Hartley all leaving/getting kicked out of F1 at the end of the year could be some interesting seats available for Ricardo and Verstappen.

[@Ben.99]

Blair Henderson Hamilton has signed a deal until 2020

[@blairhenderson1476]

Ben Fountain I’m sure he could easily buy himself out of that contract if he wanted.

[@ollypolly8113]

Blair Henderson that's just stupid to say

[@Ben.99]

Blair Henderson Why would be sign a new contract then if it’s his intention to leave? All he’s doing is costing himself unnecessary money.

[@blairhenderson1476]

Garmin Racer it’s only stupid in your opinion, I am entitled to mine

[@alainbelanger6788]

So it’s always debatable the thought behind this you have not to protesting The to approach DRS zone 3 TH it’s a ring Sling shut move last couple DRS zone

[@Silver2909]

Yes it was. Plus, Baku 2017, Bottas taking no penalty for ruining Raikkonen's race. Just as an example :)

[@Marco-xz7rf]

That is a problem i really don't like about the racingsports in general (espacially cause i am a perfectionist) and it really is a stupid thing to know that you can get runied by mistakes someone else did. Why not yellow flag the race and give bottas his position back? Okay, this would maybe cause some problems with the wheels but in this case it was only one round on thos tyres ^^ or at least some positions. huh its so difficult to solve this :/ but rigth now that means, that if like ham is first, vet second, its like whoever finisches infornt of the other wins wordl cup. You just drive him a flaz tyre, change your frontwing and will get away cos he is so much shlower than you with his broken tyre that a 5-10 sec penalty wouldn't do it. what then? they are not allowed to react on his speed or the drivers or the relationchip to the points :o

[@sejirbenothmen7652]

being biased to hamilton like crofty or brundle ,you're gonna loose all you vettel fans who are actually subscribed to your channel ....try to be in the middle please ,we 're following this channel closely ....

[@AndreasP07]

Stoffel hit massa in Barcelona and got a 3 place grid penalty for the next race (Stoffels wheel broke down, ended his race, not for massa who had nothing of damage) In the next race he ignored 2 times a blue flag and get a stop and go penalty. Vettel destroys Bottas car and get 5 seconds. LOL

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Sometimes I believe karma happens in this lifetime. I wonder if ole Grosjean had a snicker at or led to the downfall of Gutierrez? Payback can be a bitch, especially if it's self inflicted.

[@ForeverDayGreen]

I think the Vettel penalty should have been split in 2 parts. 1 He should have to let bottas pass again behind safty car 2 10 second penalty (if that even is a thing. only heard of 5 or 10 with stop and go before) In the end he probably would have still been 5th, but that would have felt more fair in my opinion

[@jkkellerj5]

McLaren-Chevrolet back together?! Indycar 2019?!?!

[@formulajuan5762]

Max got 5 seconds in China, and that wasn't even a turn one accident. Since turn one accidents are meant to be treated with more leniency, perhaps 5 seconds was too much? Seriously though, 5 seconds was consistent with other incidents of this nature, and as a lot of people have pointed out, many drivers have made similar mistakes in recent history who weren't penalised at all. I think this is a non-issue, which Mercedes and Hamilton fans in particular are making a big deal out of, as they tend to when it concerns one of their rivals. But what can you do? Most of their fans are bandwagoneering children anyway, so there's no point arguing.

[@_qwe_fk_1700]

Vettel penalty: i thought he would get 10 seconds time penalty (really think that is fair), but Vettel also hit a Haas later? How did the Ocon Gasly incident got judged?

[@BC-iq8ks]

I love how drivers and fans of said drivers only bring this up when their rival get involved in a incident. Perhaps a drive through is a better penalty than the 5 seconds, perhaps we should return to the 10 sec stop and go, but at the moment the 5 second time/stop and go penalty is the norm for most of collisions . We can't just change the rules mid championship without generating injustices.

[@F1CJR16]

We went all 3 days took about 1 hr to get in and parked. But took nearly 3 hrs everyday to leave due to the police not opening the roads. For the mechanics teams? Apparently Paul Ricard is known for this tho

[@lawless8723]

obviously vettel had pace, he was almost plum last...anyone would give it all the beans and try to get as high up as possible...why would I being at front, risk hurting my car to outrun a man coming from last

[@PulsingKrugotvoid]

a ten second stop and go? that's insane unless your talking about giving different penalties based on the car your in (which is insane in its own right). What if say hulkenberg did that. a ten stop and go would drop him 9 spots. I mean he'd still beat the Williams but that's crazy

[@lukasbeck4421]

Can someone explain to me why they say Alonso was fast in Le Mans and Hülkenberg wasn't. What numbers are they referring to?

[@grgprincipe]

Protect Ferrari....... protect Vettel at all costs so we can massage the egos of thousands of Ferrari F1 fans. It must be nice to be Ferrari.

[@racewinrepeat8862]

Stewards can't take events other than the incident I question into account, else they're artificially impacting the sporting outcome. Doing that exposes the sport to a whole range of other risks and abuses.

[@ryaramaf1gobshite397]

McLaren arn't the team 'Big Ron' left!!!alo & the yank r pull'n them under was so happy 2 hear Whitmarsh's name mentioned

[@andremacleod492]

if you look at other incidents, 5 sec is the standard punishment for similar lap 1 incidents. It didnt make a difference, but say vettel was on pace to beat the red bulls, that penalty would've have been decisive. Consiidering the penalty on its own, 5 seconds was fair

[@LethalWalou]

Everyone keeps whining that Grosjean complains in the team radio... No one ever bats an eye that Alonso is a toxic asshole constantly in the radio. Again he blamed Vettel for his own mistakes, but here this podcast again only mentions how Grosjean said in the team radio ''did you see that'' when Bottas didn't leave him room on the outside.

[@finnmuller2104]

Why is everyone hating on max verstappen, in the comments?

[@essa28_fsr]

Vettel's penalty was fair but you have to ask how many times is he gonna get have these types of incidents before his race craft gets called into question... Oh is this just another example of Ferrari seamingly getting away with stuff

[@alainbelanger6788]

Dirty side of the track the guy coming with from the outside the penalty should be part of the discussion SO Bottas He is more guilty as much Vettel it’s

[@emilianocolangelo719]

I hope vettel will win the championship. Hes my favourite driver and I'm a massive ferrari fan. So hopefully it happens.

[@travenir]

the thing with a harsher penalty is that those penalties have to be associated with some sort of major fault at the driver. for example at baku 2017 vettel has given a 10 second stop/go for intentionally crashing so harsher penalties have to have some sort of observable intent in them. this accident was if anything avoidable contact so no harsh penalty should be given. for giving out penalties it should matter how much the other party was effected by the mistake or how the end result stands. no matter what way you put it vettel just drove the better race here and if bottas had driven well the 5 second penalty would have been enough to give him the position although i do think a 10 second time penalty would probably have been more appropriate here. also the "damage" is just a cheap excuse. if that "damage" was so bad he would not have done the fastest lap of the race

[@athaircuplac2155]

Where else was Max supposed to go? 2nd and 3rd crashed, he was P4, afterwards he's P2...nothing was gained!

[@ColonelAckerson117]

How can Bottas´ race be so ruined by Vettel, when he even sets the fastest lap Ô.o ? I don´t know how bad the damage on his car was, but it couldn´t be to bad or he wouldn´t have set a lap this fast. He was just slow carving through the field.

[@tlanthony82]

Max started 4th... Bottas (2nd) and Vettel (3rd) crashed at turn 1. Max moves up to 2nd... How does that count as gaining. 2 cars in front of him crashed so he goes to 2nd obviously.

[@FreshCutFrenchFries]

LeClerc wins! Cause I predict Verstappen hits Vettel who hit Bottas who hits Kimi who then takes out Hamilton.

[@mrdoublea1237]

People still being salty for the 5 second penalty....i bet we still have this kind of argument even if vettel have 30 second penalty and he won the race...as i said IF. This issue only raise due to vettel got a decent result, if he not people will not bitching at all. Just move on please.

[@trimusx14]

I agree and disagree with Matt. Vettels penalty wasn't bad enough as he still finished 5th. But because it's a Ferrari it's easy, so in that case the top 3 teams' penalties should be more than slower cars but it's unfair. Idk lol

[@nicolalarini1274]

What the hell did I just watch? Is this ”Formula 1 for kids”? My goldfish knows more about F1 than that chick!

[@eddiedavey9779]

Fun fact since the Austrian GP came back to the calendar the winner of the race has failed to win the championship.

[@Linuselius]

I think they should actually implement a new rule: if you crash into another driver so he has to go into the pits you have to go as well, doesn't matter if you have damage or not and have to wait until his damage is repaired and leave the pits behind the driver which race you ruined. That way you still have a chance of finishing in front of him but right after the incident you are behind him and don't gain an advantage if you got less severe damage from the crash. Obviously if you take out another driver the way that he can't finish the race you get a time- or drive-throughpenalty instead of not finishing either. This is only the basic rule so don't be like "and what if this or that happens"

[@hossahunter22]

If F1 wants to be more fan-friendly they need to look at what IndyCar does...that is by far the friendliest series for fans I've experienced.

[@LemmingOnFire]

What does Max have to do to be cut some slack exactly? Seriously, he did the clever thing, that's also what F1 is about. Give him a break.

[@cbaaendk3523]

joker for the Austria GP will be K-mag p5, I'm calling it now and Grosjean will be p12

[@diogosimoes3618]

yhea guys. Power track doesn t mean that mercedes is going to be the quickest this year. Look at Bahrain, China, Canada, Baku, they are power tracks and ferrari were quicker