Are FOREIGN Idols MISTREATED Or Not?

[@BeBossTV]

Do you think non-Korean idols will forever be "outsiders"? As a fan, what do you think should be done to fix this? 👀

[@momoraii5152]

Treat everyone equally! BTW First uwu

[@nabanitachakraborty3710]

I think not. I think if they see there talent and stop mistreating them❤

[@oncexh7575]

Can some Korean people more open please? When it come to music, we can just enjoy 😊 and that it.

[@luciole7452]

And Hangeng from Super Junior the FIRST not korean idol is forgotten. Do you think Suju are just entertainers ?

[@porresianjustingoldparrapi6837]

Everyone should be treated equally!

[@Sainnnn06]

Korean fans: "why they speak japanese we don't understand it" meanwhile we international fans: honey calm down its literally not an issue for us 😂😶😶

[@chetanbrahmania7697]

Yep

[@amihan3215]

You know 😌

[@muhammadhaiza6585]

We international fans would rather force ourselves to study (EVEN THOUGH MOST OF US HATE STUDY) japanese and korean in order to understand what our idols talk about 😭

[@marionkim9555]

Totally agree with you ✨

[@yasminchan7425]

I was rolling my eyes, like boo hoo this is how international fans feel every vlive their faves do, and many they don't ever get English subs so we either have to study Korean ourselves or depend on fans who speaks Korean and can translate it

[@ItsSkyLOL]

I just cannot stand the fact that artists are mistreated depending or where they are from... That is so narrow minded

[@tipu4386]

Koreans can't accept foreigner thats true but they expect to be accepted Every where. sac

[@guron246]

Asians are racists

[@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013]

​@@guron246 Korea is xenophobic, not racist. Also saying asians are racist is ironically racist, Because you're making them sound lesser than other races because of their race.

[@hnyuq4049]

@@guron246 u’re racist

[@deardeer9880]

As a Korean, I do agree, but it’s mostly to Japanese cause of the history with Japan and korea, I personally believe that Japanese should not be healed by their ancestors mistakes (as long as they don’t agree/support what their ancestors did)

[@earthshuman3864]

Okay I think japanese idols get more hate because of Korean and Japanese history

[@nooramyarmiblink2673]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!

[@orangeorange846]

Yes, that plays a small part in the hate some Japanese idols get, but that is not the major reason why they are specifically getting hate from the Knetz. Reading all the top comments(with the most likes) from numerous videos featuring the Japanese idols, most of them either defend the idols or they criticize their nasal voice and how the company didn't train them enough to have good pronunciations. This video showed all the comments that got 0-3 likes, which I don't think really represents what the majority of the Knetz think...

[@markteudoongi7028]

especially the sana instagram incident in 2019. damn seeing the smile of sana fades away during their fancy promotion broke my heart

[@someonesavedoyoungfromnct8162]

Yeah. Japanese did many many bad things to Koreans but did the idols have some connections with it? Are they the one to blame for what happened? No

[@miffyishappy_]

Yes so true.

[@catnap2934]

the dislikes are from the companies who mistreat their foreign idols

[@hxcneeey3604]

The first dislike is from sm the second one is cube

[@youredoneyouredone3644]

SM👀

[@saja-blink3533]

I bet it's true 👍🤭😅

[@bhikhabhaichaudhari8387]

Third dislike from JAY wHY PEE

[@jungwonico]

Stares at SM

[@Selena-ex6vk]

Lisa received the more racism in kpop industry because she is thai it was her fans and popularity which forced yg to give attention to her

[@ashley2330]

If YG doesn't restrict and sabotage her, I think she would have make it bigger internationally by now. Lisa still faces racism and mistreatment. I really do not see the end of it anytime soon.

[@Selena-ex6vk]

@@ashley2330 ya it really pisses me off 😠

[@Ewa-m9u]

What the hell did YG do wrong? She is the member who gets the most push, and the rap part and killing part of the title song have always belonged to Lisa. Stop lying😂

[@selviayatri2937]

@@Ewa-m9u you stop lying, she is the most mistreated in BP, if she's not this famous i can already imagined how yg will treat her, so if you didn't know explain why her solo promotions the shortest among members (but the most successful lol), she doesn't get the title for the most expensive mv of all time while Rose, Jennie and Jisoo got? If you not her fans you're not understand, stfu and bye

[@aprils1888]

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[@BeBossTV]

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[@AryanRaj-jj1eu]

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[@Little-Sparrow]

For real! @BeBoss is a true BOSS! 💯💖XX

[@Little-Sparrow]

@@BeBossTV always!💖💯xx

[@skzzcase143]

Yep ☺

[@sharm1906]

Before Lisa was treated fairly, she was mistreated until she become popular. Lisa's salary was smaller than the three member. The reason why she is the riches bp member is because of her solo endorsements and youtube channel.

[@user-bu7ul9qf1n]

All most every countries, foreigner's tax rate is much higher than resident. It is tax law. Lisa is richest because she is not Korean. Due to political reason, Korean idols banned in China. Also she has huge popularity in Thailand too. So she can make money in china and Thailand. Other members only make money in Korea. That is main difference.

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

Facts they used to treat her bad

[@brawlstar5229]

@@user-bu7ul9qf1n other member can make money outside too unless brand doesn't come for it. For entering China you need to be so big, even if a foreign idol is not that big they still can't enter China just like that. Gd endorsing china being a Korean just say so much. Yg doesn't put so much restriction unlike other members. They are more free than lisa. Yg want to control lisa, to show off the brands superior and also about her contract.

[@user-bu7ul9qf1n]

@@brawlstar5229 You never read news? You really don't know what is going on between korea and china. All of korean idols has banned few years in China. It is official fact. NO KOREAN IDOLS CAN EARN $$$ IN CHINA NOW!!! Please Do google!!

[@brawlstar5229]

@@user-bu7ul9qf1n loser I do know more than you. Korea china started from 2016 political issues and also gd is endorsement was also in 2020. Rosé earning through her solo release from China. Yes other girls can't earn but china is not the only place. But anyway lisa is the last member to even step in China before other girls (chaesoo went to China first then jennie for her gentle). But lisa already started to be big in China way before other girls with her attention dance. And it is not easy to get China endorsement, because China have their own popular artists for promo. You can only get when you on their A level artists or bigger. A random kpop idol foreign can't also get. Like for sports Messi is so popular and have many deal.

[@natalienguyen3008]

Lisa receives zero promotion in South Korea despite her solo is coming soon.

[@timotheehalchalamet1418]

@fernanda serna i am new to the fandom and people mostly(90% of the times) talk about lisa everyone is saying different things its so confusing like after reading ur comment i feel like lisa is no where near mistreated but other comments tell a different story which make me feel like she is like a beautiful bird in cage one thing i find hypocritical about this fandom( mostly solo fans based on my few days in the fandom)they call jennie yg's princess when she was getting more solo activities but when lisa is getting them they are saying the brands want her literally understanding chemistry is way more easy than understanding this

[@ashgreyorsilver]

@@timotheehalchalamet1418 nah its the solo stan, she was mistreated bfr her fame. Thats the fact that most blink knew

[@boop8871]

@fernanda serna sorry but can u name those ‘3-4’ songs she had the most lines because the only one I can think of is ice cream

[@anungketan2285]

@fernanda serna that's all then how about jennie?almost 70%of their MV jennie got most line and screen time compare to others but that's not a big deal. But the most mistreat about Lisa is early debute time when she wore backup dancer clothes and ugly outfit and during 2019 golden dis. Award she got discrimination by k Netizen for wearing a Of Shoulder celine top many hateful comments Tweet by knez in there's social media but now things are change coz she is the money makers in the group.

[@anungketan2285]

@fernanda sernaDid u 100 % proverb that it's thai fans her only fans not others kpoppies haha 🤣 for u kind information that's never happen at first the one who made videos are ur own stans who creat fake account and try to act like Lisa stan thai lilies already clear and exposed many fake accounts u know the original account are under the name of jennie how but there's level of thinking was 👏they change their stan name and profile change into lstan it's all expose by her own followers at last such a disgusting attention seeker . Lisa thai stan are very sensitive and caring about their comment and post at first they know if they comment and post and hating on others members Lisa got hate and thai lilies know it's effect Lisa images that's why they are very carrying about that coz Lisa is a foreigners. Why u all jstan always blaming everyy hate when jennie get u all are pointing at lilies not every thai people are lstan not every hates comment are thais . Thais lilies always exposing who harm and trying to destroy Lisa care in Korea many fake accounts was exposing by thai lilies in tweeters and ig go check first then comment here. U all jstan are so dramatic like idol like stan always created wars first then if others stan fight back for their stan u all creat drama. And u need to see before debut jennie and jisso got more formation then rose and Lisa that's why jen is very famous before debuted era dude she got a lot of attention like singing with you artish and appears on gd mv and many more.. And I never seen such and dramatic idol and stan both in my life such and attention seekers every idols hv injury and hurt but never seen such an stan who creat drama over it. where the video of jennie?

[@katshrinks8309]

They tell foreigners to speak Korean but they go elsewhere and don’t learn the other language like English 🤦🏼‍♀️ If you’re gonna be disrespectful then it’s better to be honest and NOT put them on stage to begin with

[@orangeorange846]

Most big entertainment companies do give numerous Korean AND English lessons (some even teach Chinese), so it really comes down to the idols themselves to either try to learn them or not because they have the resources(foreign language teachers)

[@michellep1555]

double standards. ok to make money in other country but all must bow down to them

[@hallooos7585]

@@michellep1555 It’s not like that Chinese, Korean, and Japanese had history of conflict and hatred with each other which is why they don’t get along

[@parth_8b]

@@hallooos7585 You really don't know history. If you study their history I bet Your blood be boiling out of anger

[@kaffeekream8869]

@@orangeorange846 if foreign idols of the same ethnicity are talking among themselves then there's nothing wrong with using their native tongue. bilinguals do it all the time despite knowing the other language. fans need to learn to understand that they're humans, not korean speaking dolls, and that they were xx nationality (and also grew with xx culture and language) before coming to korea. plus, it's not the end of the world for those fans since subtitles will be uploaded.

[@muzammilameen9667]

Some fans think that by following their bias/groups,buying some albums and lightsticks,those sick minds want their idols follow their instructions but they forget that they are their followers not their idols it's fan own choice 🥶🥵🥶🥵

[@vibhutirg2931]

We cannot ignore the fact that Lisa and Tzuyu were mistreated before they became famous. Especially Tzuyu flag incident which was blown out of proportion and jyp mishandling all for her. And Lisa getting racist and threatening letters from people and grp chat made wherein they say such shit abt her and what all will they do I mean sadist at best. and YG literally not doing anything to protect till it was pushed by fans. In case of blackpink I feel all are mistreated as they are never protected by YG. And I as a fan of blackpink can never forget the first 2 yrs they were mistreated like anything. After du du du du immense success and world wide popularity, they started giving them attention or they would have been another 2NE1 in YG who were mistreated and never given credits for their talent rather bashed by saying they were ugly.

[@twicefan5116]

Foreign idols often times have a big international fanbase, but their companies often don't treat them well.

[@meidhungana6124]

I feel like Korean can’t accept foreign

[@appletv1999]

So true

[@saloni22815]

Asian countries do have problem

[@multistanstruggles6043]

Especially Japanese, probably because of the history

[@poixses_]

same

[@yeriberri3757]

Korea is very xenophobic country they don’t like foreigners that much. But this isn’t hate to Korea bcs a lot of East Asian countries r like that.

[@lunarlino]

I notice how a lot of kpop fans misuse the mistreatment. Most of the time, the proper word is mismanagement. An example of mistreatment would be the girl group Stellar.

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Exactly

[@singbin]

and the african-american girl alex from Bp rania.

[@cardibsghostwriter4627]

SM treat their Non-Korean idols, especially Chinese idols like garbage.

[@taetenforever7402]

Yes,his mistreated Wayv especially Winwin

[@jaemin6709]

So true

[@leavemealone322]

@@taetenforever7402 winwin litreally cant sing or rap and dance. what are they supposed to do with him

[@taetenforever7402]

@@leavemealone322 Wth! what the hell is wrong with you Winwin can dance,sing,rap he's good at everything,I think you are just jealous of him Sm really need to wake up because mistreated Winwin will be the biggest regret EVER!

[@shehzadsingh9485]

This dude basically behaves like Hitler.

[@DawnBreaker5]

For the Shuhua thing: They all choose their lines and since Shuhua wasn’t confident in Korean and is still learning she always preferred less

[@isaaclucero349]

There’s a difference when asking for less lines than no lines sometimes her lines in their music are usually not even really words Dead ass I think it was this song “Maybe” she didn’t even get a word, People say she was the background singer for the girls but IDK

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

I don’t think that’s the case

[@DawnBreaker5]

@@isaaclucero349 in Maybe she actually had the 2nd most lines

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

@@isaaclucero349 exactly

[@ELmayberry]

@@DawnBreaker5 that's true

[@Mehhhh675]

I hope one day...every k pop idols will treat equally!! (Fans and companies)

[@annec.9643]

I don't agree that the mistreatment issues in Lisa's case are baseless. When Lisa debuted, she got paid less compared to the Korean members of Blackpink and was the least promoted member especially in South Korea. There were also a lot times when she got the least appealing and weirdest outfits when they attended music shows (thankfully, she was able to pull them off because of her good body proportions). Now Lisa is famous internationally but it does not mean that she no longer gets mistreated. With regard to promotions and advertisements she's now getting left and right, let me clarify one thing. YG did not get them for Lisa. Lisa earned them all. Those international ambassadorship she got are because brands want her and not because YG gave them to her. Even the magazine covers are all sponsored by the brands and not because YG got them for her. In fact, I think YG is strict when it comes to Lisa accepting magazine covers. Remember in 2019 Bazaar Thailand cover. the magazine had to wait for 5-6 months just for the company to allow Lisa to grace the cover. Think of it this way, if they want to promote Lisa why would they not allow her to do the cover if it's gonna promote her? So do not say all the contracts Lisa are handed over to her because she is favored by the company, that is simply not true. In fact, the improvement on the company's treatment on Lisa just happened now because she's earning money for them and because she can no longer be ignored as she is one if not the most famous female K-Pop idol internationally. The popularity she has now is because she worked hard for it

[@brawlstar5229]

Ikr, this boss tv has a bias an i know who it is, so they don't want to show proper or i don't think the person even researched properly. Lisa first foreign endorsement was AIS (right after yg scandal happen and they were about to go bankrupt) and that AIS took 1yr to get lisa. Yg control lisa the most since the beginning. And lisa first korean even was bvlgari event in korea. Before that yg never let her go. And now yg using lisa as money maker and not treating her as artists unlike other members. They couldn't even buy copyright during the DVD of japan tour, so lisa performance is not their in the video.

[@javif8456]

True

[@bosspink327]

Facts

[@bekla3585]

Clap, clap, clap.

[@ashley2330]

So true. Only true Lisa stans will notice the mistreatment and sabotage by YG team.

[@safdghjklyftdrseawehhjk]

In Lisa's case, she was mistreated until #respectLisa came about and her overwhelming popularity brought gigs seeking her presence(and apparently she makes far less at her base than her Korean members). Never mind all the laws and political climate preventing other idols from working in certain countries, imo if it could be helped she wouldn't have been pushed into the spotlight. Anyways, racially motivated mistreatment and biases certainly exist and are prevalent in their society but I can't really speak for the industry since I'm not a part of it. As an onlooker, it certainly seems that way though.

[@서울소울]

I think sm and cube is the only company that mistreat foreign idols...

[@theoffbeatdestination]

@@lilbaddie28 Lalisa Manoban

[@bloxqms691]

@@lilbaddie28 I agree, but if you're trying to hate on Lisa, get tf out of here.

[@user-on8du3mn9x]

and jyp just mistreat/mismanage all their idols

[@서울소울]

@@user-on8du3mn9x you forgot the main part.... Sexualizing female idols

[@Diyamagar16]

@@서울소울 right 👍️👍️ that digusting old man 🤮🤢

[@DawnBreaker5]

Korean fans: they’re kpop idols they should be speaking Korean NOT Japanese we can’t understand a word they’re saying 😡 International fans: *cry about it.*

[@ELmayberry]

yesss 😂😂 like other then a few words and phrases I picked up on from watching anime and Kdramas, I don understand anything 😅

[@himitsu4145]

International fans: "smile when they smile" "Cry when they cry"

[@dragonrider4279]

Yes I think that it's just very toxic to talk like that. Lol "But I can't understanding it it's horrible!" I don't think that all Koreans think like that. But to those who believe in this "only Korean" thing. Let me tell you sth.... I'm German so I only speak that and English but I still enjoy Korean, Japanese and some French songs (I haven't heard that much but 100% of those that I have I liked) [Stream Viola] hehe, anyways so for me there is no difference between this and that language, even language is beatiful and unique. All deserve love and it takes work to learn them (languages) so please treat them (foreign members) with respect and don't start crying, don't a lot of Koreans learn Japanese anyways??? Lol

[@DawnBreaker5]

@@dragonrider4279 I didn’t mean intl fans cry about it I meant it as intl fans telling toxic Korean fans to cry about it haha

[@boredgirlonline174]

True. I don't care what they are speaking as long I'm there. Plus, I know Japanese and Korean so I understand what they are saying. People should be quiet if they want to bad things about them. Just keep it to yourself. 😒

[@hanniesung3595]

I feel like if a company is going to get foreign members they might as well treat them equally. I mean don't they scout these people for a reason. If you're going to mistreat them you might as well save some money and not hire them at all :)

[@chaelisa5402]

Lisa mistreated until she became a most famous foreign artist list. now everything is changed because we can't deny she is most talented❤️

[@chewie_berry]

I think it mostly because she's thai/southeast asian which is a huge market & easily could gain big amount of popularity from there

[@shmoneyhiu5623]

@@SuperArea31 she’s still popular go cry XD

[@kirankumardumpala7173]

@@SuperArea31 she’s the most popular in USA Japan Thailand Philippines China Indonesia Malaysia South America. So if your little world revolves around Korea then let it lol yall have a hard time digesting that Lisa is in fact bigger than kpop and can easily be one of the most renowned celebrities of the world currently

[@brawlstar5229]

@@chewie_berry she was the most popular one during rookie period too, yet yg control towards her the most. And always been mistreated. It is fans demand working little by little. "Easily could gain" are you dumb. You think people just support randomly. Why aren't others getting much like lisa. Even Thailand popularity was increased later after getting more recognition other countries.

[@singbin]

tbh, she doesn't even look asian at all, and most asian people like caucasian especially koreans. she looks like foreigners other than asian, so thats why she is the most famous foreign artist.

[@roo9642]

Can we appreciate how well YG treats Treasure's Jline even let them take part in writing lyrics and composing as well as let them speak in Japanese in their lives as well as variety show

[@Nico-ec4wx]

It is unfair because they can't choose where to be born

[@Liz-rf4qu]

The fact that WinWin get treated like crap makes me angry.

[@LadyGaladrielOfLothlorien]

And fact that he rejected SM 9 times and they chased him like crazy just to treat him like this is ridicilous!

[@Crucial178]

Lisa and Tzuyu are LEGENDARY FEMALES who are born with many PATIENCE ! LISA AND TZUYU EXPERIENCE IN KPOP MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT WORD BUT SAME MEANING , AS FOREIGNERS *WE MUST WOR HARD , SHED BLOODS , SWEATS ANS TEARS , SHOULD NOT FIND TIME TO REST , SHOULD BE MORE TALENTED AND SO ATTRACTIVE THAN THE K TRAINEES AND MEMBERS , BE MORE COMPETITIVE AND SOO EXPRESSIVE, SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OR SCARED , *BE BOLD TO FACE ANYTHING ALWAYS , *ADJUST , BE MORE POLITE AND KIND* , BUT*.............. *SHOULD NOT BE YOURSELF and SOULD NOT EXPECT FREEDOM AND ACCEPT THINGS AND SHOULD DO WHATEVER YOUR ENT. SAYS (BE A ROBOT) !*

[@_aanchhaaal__]

Agree 😊💜 they r strong

[@RotishaTamang]

I literally think some Foreign idol's are not treat and accept equally in Korea ..... !!!!

[@CosmicWin]

I'm just saying maybe Korean fans of groups with foreign members should try to learn the language of the foreign members. Seeming as TWICE also has a Japanese fanbase and the Japanese fans should also get something rather than the very small amount of content they receive every year as compared to that of Korean fans.

[@yuqi_wuqi1397]

In shuhua's case..she asks for short and easy parts because she's worried about the pronunciation

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

Naw

[@dancingking9535]

No

[@roxannelovegood1386]

@@RatsRatsIsthebest yeah

[@roxannelovegood1386]

@@dancingking9535 YEAH

[@roxannelovegood1386]

@@RatsRatsIsthebest you can look into t

[@Pihitcsa]

Shuhua told Chinese fans to stop. She also told them not to think she was bad with the members. She still doesn't feel sure. Her main desire was to be an actor, but she also said hyuna inspired him to become an Idol. Shuhua doesn't mind at all. Soyeon said she'd give shuhua the most important parts on purpose. And what doesn't match her voice, why would Soyeon give it to her? It's as simple as that. Please stop this.

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Which most important part Shuhua got?

[@xq-zb4su]

@@btsismyoxyjin2013 You can easily tell by watching the songs themselves. Shuhua got an entire bridge in Oh My God. Yet everyone forgets about it. I don't think Shuhua is being mistreated at all. Nor mismanaged.

[@vivi_isle_o.o]

Tzuyu's biggest mistreatment is her name people wrongly Pronounce, They couldv'e always given her a stage name like BLACKPINK Rosé was never her name until blackpink it was Chaeyoung / Roseanne and Jihyo was Supposed to be Jisu but is acceptable

[@vismayamrute6168]

The best name could be Zoey Chou

[@FarinazNI]

If Idols want stage name they will choose and if they don't want they won't so she didn't want a stage name.

[@ceyannacarter2590]

I think tzuyu is a unique name and very pretty 😍

[@yoopark6965]

I think company discuss with them before public exposure, if they don't want new name than it's fine..

[@seyoung2489]

And tzuyu always bend her knees while dancing and sometime have a unfair screen time on their mv’s even thou she’s the visual

[@wonnieyoung]

I'm back from watching a So what line distribution (no one asked) and I just realised that the line distribution of (some) groups that have foreign members (no hate) is unfair.

[@Eri-im5wk]

Other fans: *gets angry when Twice speaks japanese* me: *gets excited even with the little japanese speaking moments of nct and treasure(and other kpop groups)*

[@CosmicWin]

Well its kind of a special case with Shuhua and cube doesn't get a say in what she gets to sing. Cube has given all production rights to the members so they all have a say in what they get to sing. Shuhua isnt confident in her singing so she asks Soyeon to give her lesser lines. Shuhua is much more confident in her dancing so she likes to display that more than she does her singing. But when she gets more confident, I can guarantee you that we will hear Shuhua hitting high notes and getting tons of lines.

[@xq-zb4su]

Agreed. In Hwaa she was in center for part of the dance break. I think that is more her focus for now. I hope she will take on more lines when she is comfortable and isn't pressured into it earlier by fans.

[@VvHana0717vV]

Lisa was mistreated until YG couldn’t hold down her popularity anymore. She may be treated better now but blinks and lilies from debut would know how much we have to struggle to get her treated properly. The said promo she get now is not promotion for her but the another way around.

[@CandaceChambers]

tzuyu has definitely been mistreated with line distribution and camera time in recent comebacks. but i do agree, she is one of the better treated foreign members !!

[@rizwanamrahim]

And also bending her knees while dancing to adjust with rest of the members height At the end of photos despite being visual.... might be bcoz of her height also....

[@stelrex7293]

@@rizwanamrahim I think it's mostly bcoz of height. But there are also a lot of photos where she is at the front. But I think Tzuyu is definitely well treated. She has good amount of lines even though she's a sub-vocal. From all TWICE members I think Jeongyeon is mistreated. She has lesser lines even though she is a lead, also her dresses are sometimes just bad. Maybe it will all change in 'Taste of Love'.

[@스네하보라색이네요]

@@stelrex7293 yes . Tzuyu did not receive any mistreatment . But I don't what her bias see and what I see so different.

[@wangxianspirit]

@@stelrex7293 yes true,I like Jeongyeon voice I'm mad that she never get enough lines and I think Chaeyeon too she's in rapline but doesn't get many lines most of the time

[@8b_balqiskayyisahalyaakbar715]

"the V-live as a message telling korean fans to learn Japanese" international fans who learn korean : 👁👄👁

[@decimovongola5151]

Wait, what?! Tzuyu is having the best treatment you say. didn't you see those videos where Tzuyu is forced to bend his ankles more compared to other members and the time where Tzuyu was forced to apologize. What video did you watch? Did you see the stats of Tzuyu's lines?

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Exactly

[@JO-qn8gy]

Her Melody Project problem... Mistreatment or mismanagement.?

[@decimovongola5151]

@@JO-qn8gy both

[@xq-zb4su]

It goes more into mismanagement. The fact that she has to bend her kegs more she would have expected when seeing the line up. She is given more edge when it comes to dancing to try and accommodate that fact. In edge she doesn't always have to bend her legs as much which is a good thing for her. And in vocals, I think Tzuyu gets as many lines as she should. Not to say she is a bad vocalist by any means. But the others are better. When she sings she tends to get more memorable parts to compensate for that fact.

[@wzbpdc]

@@JO-qn8gy she has nowwww

[@kkuralina]

I really hate Sm for mistreatment. What do they have against the Chinese??? It’s always them. The exo chinese line (including lay), wayv renjun and chenle, ningning, they are all Chinese members!!! It’s not like they only mistreated Chinese members, Johnny, giselle them and other too.

[@Sakadayumi]

Hangeng(SJ) also mistreated by SM too But the funniest things is SM need foreign's helps for music composing even they hated foreigns. I think they hated chinese because they jealous chinese are better than them, especially big marketing.

[@kkuralina]

@@Sakadayumi oh yes I forgot hangeng was even in sj. He never shined in their promotions. I know him more as a chinese entertainer cos I have seen him on Chinese variety shows b4

[@afshana3371]

Sorry for my bad english I'm not good at typing 😅

[@rizwanamrahim]

Giselle is Japanese NingNing is chineese

[@maddiebts150]

SM sucks but so do all the companies for mistreatments too

[@Tingling10]

Hangeng, ex-SJ member, was extremely mistreated. It is very sad, but he built the paths for future international idols.

[@trustfratedblinkk]

"Despite being lead rapper she got solo rap" This how Lisa got a lot of hatee during hylt and icecream era due to some stupid fans like you who know that line distribution is fairly based on who suits the part most and also main rapper is lead vocalist in the group. Why don't you say this line that why main rapper get more vocal line than main vocal cuz sweetie you are being biased. Not to ignore but there is one other lead vocalist in the group , line distribution outcome - always last. Stop calling and hating on Lisa for getting more raps. So what do you want for her to do Sit quietly . Don't forget that main rapper is also a lead vocalist , she also have to fill vocal line ,and in many songs she is no. 1 for line distribution, when Lisa gets more line you say we need main rapper to rap (I also want that but it's only possible if some of her vocal lines are fairly distributed with the sub vocalist and other lead vocalist cuz it's not possible to give whole lines{ I mean both more vocal lines and rap line} to one member) and when she's on top of the line distribution you say it's ok unless it's Lisa . And tbh Lisa and Tzuyu both were mistreated back then for your kind info. It's about their hard work that make them popular (I know the company also played a major role in this) but still they were mistreated or not treated equally when they were not popular. You're talking about Lisa getting best outfits , it's the whole different situation after some blinks protested about getting weird outfits . Back then if you see she was given some weird dresses during award shows but she was able to pull them because of her body proportions. Don't forget when Tzuyu holded the flag of her country she was hated by many people for doing so , as if it is a crime to hold your own country's flag. And clearly stating that you are being biased towards some of your opinions. Not being rude here just stating the facts. If you disagree w me just dislike , there's no need to fight about it w me because I don't want to fight over a issue where people are either being judged over present or past instead of covering both to unlock the real story. (And pls don't mind my English if its grammatically wrong cuz it's not my first language)

[@ravennnravennnmn4714]

I don't pick any group because I love all kpop group itzu, twice, BTS, blackpink, red velvet, exo, NCT, NCT dream, NCT 127.and many more

[@ravennnravennnmn4714]

Pls correct me if im wrong

[@rizwanamrahim]

Itzy*

[@4espaverse]

honestly if companies want to treat foreign members like that, just don't add them. don't accept them. companies need to stop treating foreign idols as objects

[@renedollz]

i’ve been noticing alot lately that companies always put their korean idols first than their foreigner idols and idk hoe to feel about that

[@joannacamposdepinho8059]

Soyeon writes most of g idles songs and Shuhua most of the time choses not to have a lot of lines so I don't think she is mistreated.

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

I think she just says that because she doesn’t want to get in trouble

[@joannacamposdepinho8059]

@@RatsRatsIsthebest oh ok

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

@@RatsRatsIsthebest yeah...it might cause fanwar in the fandom

[@xq-zb4su]

I agree. I think that the hate she got out her off entirely. And now people who keep saying to her to get more korean lines must stress her out more than anything. Let her pick to have lines when she is ready herself. We all know how outspoken she is. I don't think she has ever been forced to take on less lines. Let's not pressure her into doing it and wait.

[@ngoboockboumbenousanyabiga7681]

They say they aren't racist, the say: stop Korean beauty standards,they say everyone can become an idol but but they really want, is to have all the those foreigners to be behind the camera. Not in front of the camera. If you want to be well treated, you have to be GREAT. so, are you telling me that if I want to drink water, I have to be Korean ?. I just need the answer

[@namjoonismypresident6936]

1:49 The audacity. One off the MAIN REASONS that Twice is as succesful as they are is BECAUSE off their Japanese members. Look at how many fans they got in Japan.

[@earthshuman3864]

I agree they get racism Because they are not Korean

[@sharm1906]

I miss the 3 exo members. The 3 of them are my bias

[@JaneJannie]

You would face unacceptance anywhere if you are a stranger. I don't think this is a specific problem of KPOP industry, it's a part of human nature. And korean companies spotlight thier idols who are more populare in Korea - korean idols and that's normal for the monoracial country. And this is better for foreign idols cuz they could get more hate from national identity protectors if they were spotlighted more then korean idols

[@neenunin3323]

They will treat them like other members only if they have any benefit from them.... living example is lisa....in the past they really treated her like an outsider. When company realised her global market nd how much it can help them they started to give her something. If foreign idols can't make their own identity they will not be treated like other members.

[@vivi_isle_o.o]

You should check the updated version of hwaa line distr. Where she sings the last 'hwaa' which gives her 10.8 seconds near to soojin 14.8 but far from Soyeon 38.4 so maybe fair or maybe not

[@greycabigas8044]

KPop is not only for Koreans too. KNetizens should never criticize the foreign KPop Idols. They are humans too.

[@theonly1_Rose]

Shuhua got a lot of lines on their "newer" song, Moon, and got a few repeating lines on their newest song, Last Dance. Also Shuhua is speaking Korean pretty well for being Taiwanese! They are an amazing group, so appreciate them, I'm sure they'll change a bit in their next comeback or over time!

[@permagnusson444]

Tbh i was very confused at first when i saw that shuhua only got 3 seconds of lines in hwaa. Hurns out she sings the last chorus, she got like 12 seconds but you can't really hear that it's her

[@Acidbiscuits_এ]

U should look at Momo literally 2s of line in an entire song

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

That’s sad

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

So sad 🥺

[@farhadeeba9076]

If you think mistreating idols is not a big thing than that's a big mistake, cuz no! Those idols didn't traveled all the way to korea from different countries just to be mistreated by the company and the fandom like you are also a human and u might have a dream, so obviously everything those idols wished for was to be an idol after training of years... No, they never asked for the unnecessary and invalid hate than why?! Why are y'all doing this?! I also wanna be an idol and i'm ready to leave my everything just to become an idol cuz i'm just so passionate about my dream and it litterly makes me cry at this point when anyone hates an idol for something which is not even there fault

[@hotsauce1328]

Omg! I just started stanning NCT (from LisaxTen 30sec dance practice) and I saw Winwin collaborating with Ten and he's beyond amazing 💯 I don't want him being mistreated, I hope SM knows how much of a gem he is...

[@NoelMcGinnis]

It’s definitely an issue in KPOP, but it varies greatly depending on the company. Sometimes it doesn’t originate within the company, but from the fans in Korea themselves. If they start hating on a foreign idol, then the company might turn its back on them. But not all foreign idols are treated that way.

[@unluckyCN]

Those three idols speaking their mother language and the Korean fans getting mad at them bc of that is so dumb. That’s like international fans getting mad at their idols for not speaking English so they can understand what is being said. Those Korean fans now went through what international fans go through all the time, every day lmao. But the fact that they got mad about it? Wth? Mad for someone speaking their mother language? That’s just childish

[@swamipackaging6638]

companies should feel what the idol feel when they got mistreated...stop the mistreatment....everyone should treat equally....hope for the best

[@CJas-dc2kl]

Tzuyu is not mistreated by netizens nor fans but it is obviously mistreated by JYPE. It’s true that she got better treatment when she just debuts and that’s because she is famous at that time with support from the company. But after the first two years especially last year she is mistreated by getting least screen time and lines despite as a visual and no proper makeup and style for her. Tzuyu is famous because the love from fans and people around the world. JYPE should be more appreciative. We are not asking for extra support but at least fair treatment to all members. *not only foreign idols are mistreated. Korean idols do mistreated too. For twice it is especially obvious in Jeongyeon

[@jolokoeh]

I'm gonna be honest here,i never saw a company treat their idols fairly.

[@dragoncannetabile]

If Lisa wasn’t a superior dancer, didn’t have that unique rap flow, and wasn’t tall and pretty, and did not grow globally popular, feels like she would have been like Minzy only worse cuz she’s a foreigner… but now she’s like YG’s GOLDEN GOOSE and money and clout magnet.

[@rochelmaefuentes3044]

I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT LISA'S MISTREATMENT ISN'T BASELESS =She went to Thailand for the AIS project despite 1 year of waiting because at that time the CEO has gambling and debt issue and they knew that Lisa is the only one to save their company. =They sent her to China because Lisa will be a very big hit and also promote her own group,,,,yg even mocked other companies saying that they can market in China making chinese blinks angry at yg. =Many korean netizens criticize her and gave her death threats and yg isn't even doing anything to protect her. =And at first Lisa is the LEAST paid member because she isn't korean in the first place so now, being the richest member of Blackpink is because of Lisa's dedication and hardwork. =Her solo got released and she got ZERO promotions from her company.... =And do you know why Lisa is in LA to promote her solo NOW despite 2 months of debut????Because many American companies are mass emailing yg to promote her solo in the US. =Many companies wanted her as a model, artists wants to collaborate but they always limit Lisa's success...And not because she's rich doesn't mean she is treated fairly, THEY ONLY LET LISA SHINE WHEN THEY NEEDED MONEY OR THE COMPANY IS ABOUT TO SINK....

[@cora4615]

i don't know why they are mistreating them all of them are unique but they all just don't see it

[@STAYCisthefutureofKpop12]

TBH I want to come to Korea to explore but seems like I would only visit it, SK seems like a scary place to live in NK and SK I am starting to wonder which is worse!

[@Maitray28]

When did tzuyu recieve better treatment. Tzuyu is the only member to not have melody project and also no solo activity

[@nusratrahmanpriyanka7099]

How can this be a myth when it is so obvious that FOREIGN Idols Are Being MISTREATED?

[@wonatic8689]

It’s pretty sad to see how Shuhua worked so hard as a trainee while she didn’t know much Korean. And she worked hard to learn Korean and after all that hard work, she only got a few lines. It just hurts to see that...

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Yeah 🥺😭

[@singbin]

maybe she chosed that. its way more harder if u have so many or some line in one song, because u have to sing it live and dancing. its not that easy.

[@wonatic8689]

@@singbin You have a point, maybe she did choose it herself.

[@dracloy]

They mistreat their foreign members without knowing that they are one of the reason why the group had so much attention'e overseas. And even the company benefit to it.

[@eyuuuuu]

Lisa & Tzuyu are the foreigners whose working for their company as ATM Machines. 🙄

[@davs.ketchup]

As for Shuhua, I don't know that it is because of her race, because Minnie and Yuqi are also foreigners but they get a lot more lines. She definitely gets much less than the rest but I won't chalk it up to race.

[@tingle2323]

Seriously, i think why to take foreign ppl if u can't treat them equally... They're also reason why idol groups are famous too

[@kitsidney5906]

Minghao and Jun from Seventeen are also among those who appear to be very happy and far from being mistreated in their own groups. If you see them with other SVT members, they never seem to shy away or get intimidated. Jun, in fact, is known to be a jokester and very playful, and the members adore him for that. Minghao, well, there's a reason he's called Thughao. He's basically known to be the most savage in the group. And both also get to do solo promotions in their home country China and even released their solo songs in Korea just recently. 😁

[@maaduufan5140]

Kpop idols promote in Japan too, but I don't think they fully speak Japanese in interviews. They're still getting money from Japanese buyers so according to Korean's logic, Kpop idols also need to learn Japanese too before they can promote there as well..

[@lillianxiang796]

NCT foreign line Winwin, Kun, Yuta, Johnny and Ten are really mismanaged by Sm. I find it interesting because one of Sm/NCT favourite member is Mark (Canadian) and Chenle Renjun aren that mismanaged so idk there are some cases where they arent't.

[@prvthvmv]

*First of all thank you so much for talking about this!* I am a blink so I am gonna talk about Lisa. She is a really popular kpop idol but with that popularity...The hate that she is getting for being thai is massive!!! IDK why but sometimes I feel like the blinks are really lost... I know that Jisoo was mismanaged but lemme say you one thing that was not any hate and jisoo was still doing great... Jisoo got less lines and blinks just lost it but they don't understand that lines are distributed on what suits the singer's voice... LISA WAS NOT OKAY AT THAT TIME (AND EVEN NOW I CAN SEE IT) BUT THE BLINKS INSTEAD OF CONSOLING HER STARTED TO HATE ON HER FOR GETTING MORE LINES... I don't want Lisa to end up like Sulli (even jennie) for this silly hate... I AM a blink and I am not saying don't support Jisoo but _hating on Lisa that's wrong!!!_ Also I love all the 4 members of Blackpink equally so I am not prioritising any one *BUT I AM SURELY PRIORITISING THE PROBLEM!!!*

[@keyachy1657]

agreed

[@BeBossTV]

We get it. It's true that some are picking on Lisa for being Thai, but it's great that her fans are more crowded and her company doesn't have the mindset of biasing towards Korean members ❤️

[@luciagianquitto4010]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@prvthvmv]

BeBossTV, Yes people say that YG is the worst company... But they say it in terms of their comebacks but for me comebacks doesn't matters but the idols surely do... AND IN THAT CASE YG WINS... Also YG gives their idols a lot part of the money they get in album sales and promotion!!! *For me YG and bighit are the best company!!!*

[@prvthvmv]

@@prakshisharma5779 Yes that is something that I will agree with... Jennie and lisa's hate would hv went 10 times lesser if they would hv responded! But we cannot expect the company to respond as they might be really busy... But atleast they are a lot more better than Cube and Jyp!

[@hinaliii]

*everyone should be treated equally because everyone of them have worked hard to reach their goal* 😢💓

[@loveserene]

It’s cool how she dismiss all Lisa’s pervious mistreatment by showing her successes in CHINA!!! Not Korea because they are yet to even bat an eye in her direction but okay

[@boop8871]

Exactly

[@SuperNovaXtreme]

Sorn from CLC exposed the pay gap between kpop foreigners and Korean kpop idols are huge and unfair for kpop foreigners too.

[@truthonly4309]

Right I listen to that too in Thai. She told Lisa about that and that is how it works. She encouraged Lisa don't feel offended or sad.

[@rrrosessi6061]

I am not agreeing with you on tzuyu case. I believe she is being mistreated. She gets the least screen timing even though she is the visual and does not have any individual activity plus she has to suffer during twice dance's she always has to bend her knees in order to match the other members height's and she is the lead dancer of the group but never gets to be in the spotlight. As we know twice mainly focus on there dance and they have many dance break but tzuyu never gets to have one or be in spotlight she is always in the back or at the edge. She doea not get to be in the centre even during photoshoot because of her height And nowadays she is getting very less lines and still after 5years in industry she is not a brand ambassador of any brand which i believe is all jyp fault. We all know that tzuyu is the most popular Twice member imagine if jyp could promote her well. Ik that tzuyu has not the best voice in twice but i believe she has a very sweet and soothing voice so. A rapper getting more vocal lines then a vocalist does not make any sense. JYP should treat tzuyu better

[@arandomkorean6179]

I'm korean i love foreigners and korean k-pop idols , actors and commedians Equally 💕

[@pinolacafeteriaypasteleria3484]

I'd say something that has caught my eye with Tzuyu and Lisa is that they aren't "allowed" to talk about their culture too much, and the only times they do, knetz start bashing them saying they have to respect Korea.

[@Edits_FC422]

In 2016 Lisa from bp was mistreated a bit with the least amount of promotions but in 2017 when her popularity increased Jennie’s she started getting more and more promotions

[@youredoneyouredone3644]

Me remembers about NCT Hollywood 🤡

[@hsandere5318]

Giselle and Ningning are soo dang pretty LIKE YO?!?!? 🥺🤚

[@sowhat8397]

YG needs lisa PERIOD !

[@MoaDiarys]

I think there is definitely mistreatment with foreign idols but it definitely differs within different companies. There are definitely some companies that mistreated foreign idols but not all of them do.

[@quinnreachel5569]

I believe the companies don't treat their foreign idols with respect. If a company can't manage their foreign idols why taking one. I love all of them equally and race/ethnicity should stop being a matter in the Kpop industry or around the world.

[@killunatic]

I still vividly remember not 2020, where in 90's love WinWin and YangYang got a combined screen time of about 5 seconds... it was not very fun

[@Anonymous72824O]

I’m a Filipino born in America and I have been thinking of becoming a K-Pop idol. Considering all the other pressures of this industry, I don’t want to get hated on just for being a foreigner. I work hard to learn Korean and I did not choose my nationality.

[@sebastianenjcb193]

The very first one was already dumb💀 if they wanna speak Japanese let them gawd, it’s their raw emotion and conversations, so don’t complain.

[@kerenrashish]

Since any mistreatment at all is a big deal... OF-FREAKING-COURSE this is a big deal!! They're literally receiving hate and lack of opportunities on ALL sides, from fans to their company. It's straight up disgusting. Honest to god, if even their employers aren't on their side, who is supposed to be?

[@pauline5715]

We want Winwin back to NCT 127, I badly want him back. The other members miss him too.

[@supritiparia9660]

"YG Ent. pushed her towards fashion" ...boy it was the brands who were eager for lisa...celine and prada were literally fighting to get lisa as their muse..bulgari send an entire team with sets to korea to shoot lisa....as a blink...everyone knows how she got mistreated in her solo era....she recieved the least promotions...almost 0 promotions is sokor....the company didnt even bothered to send her songs in us radio radios...lisa's solo fandom worked day and night for that...and when finally her song blew up ...and radios kept asking the company to sent her...they did...she was the only member who didnt get to attend paris fashion week...coz why...apparently covid situation was serious...wow...the dj snake collab...that man has been asking for a collab since 2018...and coming to lines...you know right that ice cream was that one song where she got the most lines after selena...and what happened after that...she got severly bashed by knetizens and ot3 fandom...and that made her go far from social media...till now she doesnt posts like how she did back then. She even confessed how she were made dresses which made her so uncomfortable but in her solo era...she had the freedom to wear things she liked...and thats why you know ...why the outfits were soo perfect.

[@jiminverse3827]

Tzuyu is mistreated wtf are her lines? People treating her like she's just a robot or a visual? Jyp not sueing the people how made deep fakes or racist comments? Her screen time and line distribution?

[@rizwanamrahim]

2020 comebacks tzuyu deserve more lines.... But i think other line distribution are fair if you compare it to MoMo.... And yes jyp doesnt look after her properly.... Like bending her kneees for the a whole 3 min dance just to adjust her height to others... Like WTF.... She might be treated like a robot but not a visual.... Always at the corner of photos JYP SHE IS A VISUAL No much solo performance where she can show her potential She has so much potential but JYP is holding her back bcoz of which she is called talentless by haters and people calling her 'just a visual' And what abt solo endorsement, like she can be the face of high end fashion brand with ease And can be at top after Lisa Jennie Rosé and Jisoo but no.... Im not a fan if TW but want a tzuyu solo endorsement or atleast one drama.... #tzuyudeservesbetter

[@jiminverse3827]

@@rizwanamrahim yess she bended her knees so much in more and more

[@twicebts525]

@@jiminverse3827 kura kura, her knees, I am gonna 😢 cry

[@jiminverse3827]

@@twicebts525 ikr my baby 🥺

[@JO-qn8gy]

Her Melody Project problem... Mistreatment or mismanagement?

[@11ni7_]

We're all human! We should treat each other equally! It doesn't mateer where you're from, your race or what language you speak.

[@kc3621]

I think the mistreatment is real and its crap. Why should they discriminate against people who are helping to push the hallu wave? But in certain instances i think it comes down to minor misunderstandings. I know we had the haters against the j line in twice but with once we absolutely love them as well as tzuyu. And with shuhua I dont know if its intentional or not but you have to put into perspective that yuqi and minnie got more distribution than miyeon at one point. I just think whoever sets this up (soyeon) has to do better with getting all the members their shine.

[@kc3621]

@Its_Me_Swasti I love shuhua. One of my fav clips ever is her calling out a hater during a live. Shes fierce in defending her unnies. I'm a stan but every member should get their shine. Gidle is one of my top 5 groups and I stan soyeon too. She's top4 as a rapper in all kpop. But she is the leader and writes most of the songs...she should stand up for each member.