Are Frame Sliders Good Or Bad? | MC Garage

[@brandozoc]

So glad someone actually talks about slow speed or stationary drops/tips. Thought it was just me.

[@kennethpowers8995]

Slow speed on a super sport? Does not compute.

[@malsawmzela609]

@@kennethpowers8995 owning a sport bike doesn't mean you always aim for speed. I own one, but mainly because i love the design, i rarely drive beyond speed limit.

[@kennethpowers8995]

Nyahahaha I was mostly kidding, I do 80% of my playing during legit track sessions not on open roads. I will admit though, it doesn’t feel natural to me going 40-50 mph to me on a sport bike. Overall I feel it takes more effort to ride slow than to ride fast anyway. Almost anyone can hop on a bike and go 100+ in a straight line but then lay it down trying to slow maneuver a parking lot. Slow speed stuff is indeed important and should be fundamental really.

[@adammoorby99]

Lol my bike fell over and the frame slider just bent and cracked the fairings that surrounded it but it did reduce the damage that could’ve been done😅

[@whereswaldo5740]

Adventure riders. We got this.

[@foil666]

Are frame sliders good or bad? Short answer: yes.

[@Gregrsmt]

Awesome... Reminds me of my dad's great advice. "It'll work out, one way or the other." 😂

[@Gamen4Bros]

thank you

[@Enruler]

I know this comment is over 2 years old, but it made me laugh today.

[@gountzas]

This should've been a 5 sec video lol

[@leftoverpizza01]

This comment is grammatically incorrect. You gave two choices but answered yes. Are you saying yes to being good or yes to bad?

[@fivespeed3026]

Frame sliders saved my R1 in a low speed crash. I clipped a sidewalk curb while turning in an intersection, both sides hit the pavement. The damage was almost exactly $100 thanks to EBay, including the new sliders.

[@syfiltzo]

How much did you pay for the pair of crashers that saved you? I was about to get one from ebay, but after this video i dought.

[@diegopescia9602]

@@syfiltzo $50

[@themystx2]

My bill of damaged goods is $90, new frame slider and a new CRG bar end mirror. I suppose I can add a new rear brake pedal to the list but it was slightly scraped not bent.

[@somedude2492]

@@themystx2 slightly scrapped is a battle scar, i would leave it as is

[@oesaccessories954]

I would say that the comments to this video accurately reflect what we have seen since we began making frame sliders in 2003. Most riders who crash with them are glad they installed them. We have had customers who were grateful for our products and we have had customers for whom the sliders did not meet expectations. There seems to be an unusually high number of physicists who ride sportbikes and have pre-calculated the results of all crashes they will have and thus sworn off frame sliders. I have crashed with and without frame sliders, so I can say from experience that in certain events they will work as expected, but of course there are crashes where the sliders will not help. Keep your expectations realistic and don't waste too much good riding time thinking about it.

[@art_by_adrian2913]

Wise words

[@anonimous2451]

Well Said, especially the unusually high number of Physicist that are actual riders. Freaking laughed my butt off. EVERYONE is an expert, until they are not. Seek wisdom, not skepticism.

[@miroslawgad4269]

Can I add this to my wife's car?

[@RobBroderick44]

Miroslaw Gad 😂😂😂😂

[@joseespinoza6582]

😂

[@Tobeon2]

lmao..... oh come on !!!... (..you just made my day... lol...)

[@StreetSWAT]

im really sad this doesn't have more likes... lmao u got one from me.

[@paulroberts3639]

Just remember that the car is still likely to tumble if she high-sides it at the supermarket.

[@AR-tl1cf]

If I ever get me an R1 I would put two extra small wheels on the rear.

[@nicholaslask9897]

Short answer, YES they are a MUST. I let my bike sit outside for a couple hours so the tires got extremely cold, and when I hopped on I naturally turn the traction control off, I’ve never dropped a bike but literally 10 seconds after I leave I’m taking a left and my back tire spins out and I drop it. Frame slider protected my whole left side of the bike. I was super suprised. Only damage was obviously to the frame slider and to my pegs. Can’t guarantee the same situation but literally not a scratch anywhere else. Saved me a whole lot of money

[@strongocho]

I have only ever dropped a bike one time and I was not even riding it. I was moving it in my garage and when I moved it the kickstand pushed back a bit and I didn't notice. When I went to lean it on the stand, the stand slid back and it fell to the ground. I was terrified and sure the tank was going to be dented, but it was actually just laying on the frame slider the previous owner put on. Zero damage whatsoever. So happy they were on there.

[@VeeFour]

I'm a trackside marshal for British Superbikes, and those guys seem to favour the flush fitting kind with multiple securing points. The bodywork is sacrificial but they seem to protect the frames and engine without digging in

[@AriH211]

Yup, totally acceptable for racers to wreck some fiberglass and a clip-on at the track. There are spares in the trailer, right? For street riders it's a different story.

[@HandFedMole]

- as said in this video.

[@finalcoyotefly]

Some of the best MC content on KZbin comes from this channel - especially your instructional / maintenance-based vids. Looking forward to new 2018 content guys!

[@Chris675R]

On my own racebikes I only mounted case covers. I consider the fairing as a disposable part. If your bike slides on the fairing that's a big surface and a lot of friction. It will slow your bike down fast and prevent it from high speed impact into barriers. I saw live crashes where bikes with frame sliders hit walls/barriers and got totalled, because they didn't slow down much while sliding. I also saw bikes with long frame sliders locking into curbs and damaging the frame and/or the engine. I would only mount short racing sliders when it's absolutely necessary, like on the new R1 where parts of the frame aren't covered by the fairing.

[@Prasad9800]

I agree!

[@stigsstupidcousin3102]

well said random rider...

[@mtb8396]

oo yes !

[@wot48320]

OEM case covers are more often cheaper to replace then buying case cover protectors.

[@Dowent]

Yep, but if you crash during endurance, you really don't have time to change it :D .

[@notabhi01]

*YOU GUYS MAKE ALOT OF INFORMATIVE VIDEOS* 😌 Keep up the good work😀

[@HeroRR]

I personally prefer no-cut sliders. My thinking on the matter is this. I've read many bad reviews on the no-cut sliders, most of them saying that at a low speed crash the things just snapped off and did nothing. Where as with cut sliders they are stronger and most likely will not break off. Problem is, like you mentioned in the video. Sliding with a frame slider is bad news, because if there are any divets in the roads, it will send your bike flying. I would rather my frame sliders protect my fairings in the event of a standing drop, and break apart in the event of a slide, rather than risk them catching pavement and sending the bike flying. I know sliders and race rails are completely different, but I've seen many examples of race rails catching pavement and sending the bike flying. I've seen it in person from other riders with those kits and sliders are also capable of this.

[@Mario-me2pt]

HeroRR i fuckin love u

[@HeroRR]

On my CBR I use Shogun, and on my VFR I have T-REX sliders.

[@7777Gixer]

I use R&G classic frame sliders on my 2010 FZ1S.

[@FMXIAN]

HeroRR T Rex fuck yeah I have them on my 07 CBR600 they're amazing, saved my bikes fairings from 2 tip overs.

[@alfasicks4553]

HeroRR I understand and on some level agree with what you're saying. However, pay attention to the shape and design of the no-cut mounting bracket. On my 06 CBR1000RR the no-cut bracket (I THINK they were Vortex) cantilevered over the right side case cover. The bike fell over on that side, bent the bracket into the cover and damaged it.

[@maskedmotorsdiy3575]

Crashes where the engine impacts the ground should be evaluated on a (drumroll) case by case basis.

[@waynes.2983]

Ticonderoga Dixon good one.

[@Addy29plus5]

Lol

[@BillBodrero]

👏👏👏

[@themystx2]

This video is so spot on. Oldie but goodie; tipped over the bike parking on an incline, the frame slider got beat up, but no body damage, just a tiny scrape on the bottom of my rear brake pedal and a busted bar end mirror. It would have resulted in an ugly scratched/dented tank that would’ve cost hundreds to replace over a $20 frame slider. If you don’t have them, why not?

[@984francis]

My view (I think) as a returning rider after 20 years is that I need to re-learn low speed control and frame protection is a good idea for that.

[@kuiperdasniper]

Hit the nail on the head. A 2 point low height slider is the best choice. After a few tries I figured this out, keeping the important bits such as forks, frame, engine are far more important than extra plastic protection at the cost of structure damage.

[@DannyBBom]

I was so worried about damaging my bike, I ended up leaving the bike in the garage and driving an old SUV instead.

[@prajwoltiwari4464]

🤣🤣

[@whereswaldo5740]

You need a used adventure bike. You know it’s gonna tip somewhere sometime. They should just make a cage like a hamster ball. Ralph Nader would be proud.

[@DearMajesty]

You covered it all. Bravo! Surprised I didn't see a sponsor for this video...who wouldn't want this exposure from arguably the best journalists catering to North America (and beyond).

[@cpuuk]

That has to be the most sensible discussion on this topic, ever.

[@oldninjarider5524]

Very informative, you answered questions I didn't even know to ask about sliders. I like to protect my ZX-14R but don't plan to cut holes in the fairings. Thanks again MC Garage, Great Job.

[@xmeo30]

before i bought my first biike i watched all your videos guys, and im so glad you guys are back, giving us good short lessons, and now in the past 2 weeks i was troubled of getting or installing a frame sliders on my bike, thank goodness you guys decided to make a video for it,, thank you guys..

[@AriH211]

Thanks for posting. It's great to hear that our vids helped give you an informed start in motorcycling. That's what this show is all about.

[@jacksiscavage6265]

I hit a big bump in the road and my bike launched in to the air. The frame slider got hung up on the power line. When they finally got the bike down it was like new. Hail to the frame slider!👍👍

[@jayvidz]

Great points. When I crashed my Cbr many years ago with emergency braking on a ramp, the frame sliders broke and the bike flipped from side to side about four or five times. I appreciate the note on materials too, because when I was shopping for sliders for my current monster 821, I was attracted to the red sliders that were aluminum, but went with black synthetic frame and axle sliders from evotech instead.

[@tr5946]

This whole motorcycle ownership experience has been a real-life exercise in "you get what you pay for"

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Having 10 years of racing/track school/riding & road riding these are really a 50-50. I’ve seen them save expensive bits.... and seen them hook into grass or gravel and make it worse by flipping them over, etc. Great video dudes.

[@smithwrx5910]

Mine saved my lower left leg. I had a cage not just a puck. I say fuck the bike. Save your body parts.

[@one-of-us9939]

I have sliders, they were used 1st lap on Gratton racetrack. Because of them I could finish the day and the next day too. Worked for me. In fact I reccomend them.

[@grahamsmith2022]

You've nailed this conversation,I think manufacturers market these sliders as some kind of force field and choose to not mention that they often cause damage,not to mention not being most aesthetically pleasing hardware you can bolt on a bike,as you say : who wants to buy a £24,000+ Ducati and start hacking and sawing the fairing panels to fit ugly sliders. I live close to a race track and I've seen in the pits the carnage that these things can cause to a frame,as they provide leverage to the impact causing frames to twist,snap and buckle beyond repair and the digging into grass/mud and causing a destructive cartwheel theory is exactly correct.

[@emanuelromero8360]

I love how you explained it i have to re thread the whole threads because of them i haven't found a video explaining how to do it safe

[@JokesOnYah]

i love how you guys help me out with info and my female friends started watching your channel, NOT BECAUSE THEY RIDE, they have no clue what you guys talk about, they watch because of Ari Henning seriously, i was like WTF

[@Braaping]

capricious and SOB in one sentence is one of many reasons why I am a fan of Ari! Another great video.

[@madhursindhi]

Recently caught on to your channel. One of the best in the category. Congratulations.

[@Bosephjones]

I picked up a set of Shogun no cuts for my fz6R and ended up low siding in the mountains last summer. It was a fairly low speed wreck (~40-45 mph MAx) and the bike was already grinding off the footpeg with the rear tire felt like it washed out. Somehow, by the Grace of God, the bike only suffered a broken rider peg, bent clip on, chewed up frame slider puck, and some scratches on the tail fairing... Nothing else was damaged. As mentioned, so many factors go into play as to whether these things are going to be effective or not, and I just happen to roll the dice and get lucky for my first get-off.

[@NathanSGuitar94]

Good to hear the Shoguns do their job, I have a set on my SV

[@kornboy22]

I have Shogun no cut on my R6 and had a low side on the weekend. Ground down the puck, rear axle spool and bar end. Also ground down my R&G RACING engine case cover protection. Fairing a bit scratched and broken foot peg so not to bad. One thing I recommend which I did was when I bought the bike I got some cheap fairings off ebay and put the originals in a box so when I sell the bike one day I can put the original fairings back on.

[@interceptorm5]

You are cheap man. You bought your bike for a future owner or yourself? But, hey it's your business, right?

[@kornboy22]

I ride it at the track as well as the road and have already been down twice on it so definitely worth it. I have spent a few grand on the bike upgrading it that I know I will never get back on it when I sell it eventually (ECU flash and dyno, quick shifter, brake lines, steering, damper, exhaust). Plus I actually like the color of the ebay fairings better than the original ones anyway.

[@hackcult3738]

interceptorm5 it makes sense though, especially if he's going to trade it in to a dealer. Makes the bike look brand new.

[@ripkej77]

Just had this conversation not too long ago and your views are spot on with mine. On a side note sliders have saved me more than once on and off the track.

[@LeoooooooArt]

by far these guys are the best and there technical reviews are excellent. Well done keep up the good work.

[@jdcompton328]

I’ve high and low sided with frame sliders. Sliders really helped on the low side, it was ground down a bit but easily replaced along with a few other bits. There was some scratches and cracks but nothing major for the rest of the bike. On the high side the slider kinda broke but still had enough material left that the bike was sitting on it when it came stationary. A bunch of stuff got busted on that one, but it was still rideable -ish home with some fancy shifting and braking. The motor cases were fine in both situations. I really believe both cases would have been much worse without sliders, I will always run sliders!

[@vitalsteve1]

yes... tweak your frame to save your plastics. thats an amazing idea.

[@WhosAGoodDogue]

My personal view of frame sliders is to keep them on track bikes. A nice smooth track will aid with sliding. But, on the road, anything that's fixed to the bike that sticks out, and is then in contact with the road surface in a crash, could see that part catch a piece of street furniture, (drain cover, cats-eye etc) causing the bike to dig in and flip. If the bung or slider hits a lamp-post or barrier in a side collision, again, the bung could flick the bike and spin it sideways. I've been riding for over 30 years, and did seriously think about fitting parts like this to my VTR1000, but, I've decided against it. I think (on street bikes), they are mainly just for show. In a dry/static drop, they could do more damage to the frame than if they weren't fitted. (they could push or distort the frame). Yes, I get that some can protect the plastics from damage, but, as an example, the ones available to fit my the frame on my VTR1000 will NOT protect the fairing or exhaust. The plastics and silencers will hit the ground well before the crash bungs do, so, what's the point? I dunno, if you like em, fit them. Some insurance companies here in the UK don't like things like these fitted to a bike, mainly because (the ones I've spoken to) class them as a) race additions, and b) could potentially cause more damage to the bike in the event of an accident (and therefore more needing paid out).

[@WhosAGoodDogue]

Interesting that I wrote the comment 2 mins into the video, before you mentioned about the sliders flipping the bike or digging in. I don't comment on internet bike race forums thingies, but have seen, in the real world with folks bikes, the damage caused by having crash bungs that actually _did_ cause their bikes to flip and cartwheel after the rider was spat off. We reckoned that if they were _not_ fitted, the bike may have come to a stop a lot sooner. Best. Dawg.

[@TitanFlare]

This was a very well put together video, short and sweet. Good point about the longer sliders, never heard anyone mention the torque there even though it's very important

[@Heyalth]

When I was doing salvage I had to throw out so many frames that were busted wide open because they hit those sliders with too much force/speed whatever... the ones that mount to your engine mounts can bust the studs out through the case or head, wherever it's mounted to the engine. The case covers can do the same thing if they don't have enough mounting points and when that happens you're replacing bigger pieces of your engine case rather than a cover. Relate it to a bed of nails, more points of contact is safer and wont hurt you.

[@jboozey1]

Hey MC team. Thanks for always distributing relevant information. And also explaining things to a point that people don't have to be certified mechanics to understand.

[@AriH211]

You're welcome!

[@kaeggensen]

The reason I am being hesitant on buying a frame slider would be: I think that the frame slider could bend or crack the frame upon a crash (or even when tipping over) since the frame is not manufactured to withstand forces in sideways directions. If the bike would just fall onto its fairings a lot of parts would be damaged but the impact would be spread onto a larger surface area. The fairings can most of the time be replaced with much less costs and effort than the frame. Could a somewhat experienced person please give me an answer if that makes any sense?

[@namdarbolour9890]

This makes sense to me, but I've only been riding for 2 years, and that's on dirt bikes. What you're saying is that a fairing provides the maximum surface area for an impact, reducing pressure to a minimum, resulting in less damage at the fairing mount points, not to mention impact absorption when the fairing breaks. However, a fairing is the ultimate cut slider, because it is the biggest cut slider you can get, in a sense ... so we hope it's as smooth as possible and with as little holes/gaps as possible to prevent snagging in a crash.

[@PhantomRides]

My crash bars on the KTM Duke 250 actually saved my bike a lot in damage in a nasty crash doing 80 kmph. It's good to have them than not have them.

[@rutvijsonawane8597]

Phantom Rides try that with fully faired bike

[@PhantomRides]

Rutvij Sonawane I don't want to crash unless you mean I should lol

[@C4H10N4O2]

They are crash bars. Crash bars are awesome. Sliders do what they can...

[@inspecktorf]

Phantom Rides I put a steel around my fearing

[@1-shotslinger108]

Dude be careful out there ! I love my KTM !

[@TheGardenSnake]

Those t-Rex kits are quality af.

[@Mr.LightMode]

Jake TheGardenSnake I dunno man, I had a mixed experience with mine.

[@Chris-rh9nb]

I tested a T-Rex kit in my driveway and I was happy with the result.

[@URBANENGINEER]

They are a great company. I helped them figure out fitment for my motorcycle and I got a small discount.

[@saltyprocrastinator]

Yup, small group of enthusiasts just like us. They R&D in Dallas, and are awesome people!

[@oso1165]

yup t rex saved my bike from a big crash. they were pretty cheap too

[@JeffNoel]

Lots of informative content here, especially for the carbon fiber part !

[@draiguk]

When I had my CBR125 and went down at 20mph without sliders, the insurance company put it down as a write off, as the cost of replacing the fairing and the scraped up exhaust was more than the bike was worth. That was a 6 month old bike bought brand new. Luckily I had all the insurance on it you could ever want. Broke my shoulder on that one. The sliders wouldn't have done shit to alter any of that in my opinion. On my ER-6F I've had two tip overs both onto the left hand side thanks to the shitty stand (before I spent £10 and got a bigger footplate, now THAT is money worth spending) and I've just spent £500 replacing one fairing as it looked pretty bad after the 2nd tip over. The sliders would certainly have saved some of the damage from the tip overs, but I'm not convinced it would have saved all the damage. Decent sliders for that bike are around £100 - but they make the bike look like shit in my opinion. So I'm still unconvinced. I reckon there'd still be damage and I'd end up having to get a new fairing anyway. What DID actually save me money was the case cover that cost £60. Case covers are certainly worth it, along with £10 on a bigger stand rest. If you want to spend money I'd say get those before anything else, the £10 foot plate has made a huge difference and had I bought that sooner I would probably not have had the tip overs at all. I still won't buy sliders.

[@fleuger99]

I have an FJR 1300 with frame sliders. I was sitting on my bike trying to push it backwards on a slight incline into a parking spot and there was gravel. My foot slipped on the gravel and over the bike went. My frame slider worked perfectly preventing any fairing or frame damage and the only thing impacted was my ego. ;)

[@DamnitsAdriel]

Ini my country Yamaha sell OEM frame sliders, which aren't quite rigid as the aftermarket ones, and aren't expensive either.. But it can do the right things, which is absorb impact..

[@one-of-us9939]

They helped me. My track bikes sliders worked for my 25mph lowside. That was a learning experience, I learned I don't wanna do that... again.

[@timothyearp631]

This brings one question to my mind; why didn't the factory install crash protection?

[@jimbo1485]

What aluis said, but ktm do on there old 690 duke r

[@guitarsandcars5190]

They couldn't sell as much bodywork from tip overs if they were factory

[@binbin6878]

Kawasaki ninja 250 in my country comes with frame slider

[@ChaosBW]

They do It's called the faring They're replaceable and made from plastic Frame sliders will crack your frame

[@afletra]

@@ChaosBW it depends tho

[@nostanz2861]

You aren't making enough videos, another awesome job!

[@vijayam1]

Ari, you should be starting a new channel named Motorcycle Myth Busters! Would work wonders!

[@theavangelist]

Had paddock bobbins attached, during a lowslide in the wet it not only broke off but snapped the mount point off the swingarm

[@elithegreat6463]

The Cut Frame sliders for a 1st Gen Hayabusa, Typical round type...Work....Low slide on a sweeping turn, saved the entire side and front fairings. This was back in 1999,,,only damage was to the rear fairing which got all scraped up.

[@spotthedogg]

To be argumentative I suggest that carbon fibre sliders could be effective depending on the resin recipe. That’s all, good video as usual

[@P1015532oni]

Funny enough, I just tipped my bike over backing out of the garage 2 weeks ago. It saved my bike's body work. Only the right side footpeg got damaged (broke in half) but it was a quick fix. I'm a true believer now. I have R&G Aero crash sliders.

[@DmanGuitar327]

ari knows his crashing 😆👍🏻

[@alexandreallie6296]

How to adjust a motorcycle suspension for your next MC garage episode would be great!!

[@vladandrei2069]

Gj bro!! With a new bike a frame engine case/sliders are a must un my opinion. What are your top 5 must haves accesories to help protect your bike? Thx in advance, u are my motorcycle guru to go!!! Keep up the good work!!!

[@Mr.LightMode]

Great review, even better thumbnail.

[@MotovationUSA]

PREACH! We get messages EVERY DAY from grateful customers when a Motovation Frame, Fork, and Axle slider kit save their bike from catastrophic damage! Motovation slider kits are all made using a proprietary slider material designed to SLIDE properly.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

The one thing that always puzzles me a bit is the shape of the pucks on so many kits. Why is it that they aren't shaped more like those bumps they use for road markers. It seems like the typically harder shape is more likely to catch on the ground than one that's wider and more rounded.

[@keloniomannamoinolk7153]

haha sell before everything

[@GETUPANDGO]

Good info guys, I've been going back and forth about frame sliders for quite some time, this helps

[@raymadani270]

Thanks dude. Your channel is really educational

[@forthcoming-d8694]

Classy & informative 👏 👌 you are an underrated Master in the Field. Kind Regards & big Respect to you 🙌

[@URBANENGINEER]

If the racers at trackdays run them and we have the same bike, you bet I'll be running them. Thanks Ari!

[@jpm74]

Wouldn't there be a greater chance of an expensive bent frame? Replacing fairings are pennies comparatively.

[@Shrav872]

Newmans_Own wouldn't a bent frame make the bike a write off? It might cheaper to just insure yourself and get a new bike

[@ndperson1]

Newmans_Own actually you are kind of right. I have seen people get more hurt than they would have without them cuz their sliders hooked something and tumbled making the bike no longer be in a place that was protecting their body instead of worrying about protecting their bike. I also have seen where someone was actually going quite slow but tipped over at the worst possible time and bent their frame because of where the slider was. Short ones to me kind of make sense as they seem like a good compromise. I love my bike, but mostly care about me. I don't want the ones that stick way out after what I saw, but the shorter ones seem like a good compromise where they could both protect the bike and you.

[@CollinMac96]

A scrape on the frame can total out a motorcycle. I wouldnt risk anything damiging the frame

[@PapaWheelie1]

Newmans_Own - I had a bike go down with frame sliders and it broke the engine case where the sliders bolt anchored (motor mount) sucks

[@U2Jaime1317]

Unless the frame is steel, they cant bend, they crack.

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

Great info as always. No nonsense just informative content.

[@DDIAZ-we4dz]

i honestly dont give a shit about actual crash protection. if im going at speed and i crash, fuck the bike, thats what i have insurance for. almost any moderate crash is likely to cause more damage than the 500 dollar deductible i have so why bother? let her cartwheel like an Olympic gymnast for all the difference it makes. at that point my biggest concern is if IM ok. however, tip over protection is something entirely different. in the 2.5 years ive been riding the ONLY time ive had to lay her down was in my garage cus i lost grip on the bars for a second and she tumble over. the bike wasnt even on. i was just moving it around. cracked mirror, broken turn signal, and a scuffed bar end. obviously not enough for me to file a claim with my insurance company but it was still expensive enough to be inconvenient and painful enough to hurt my ego and soul when i heard the smack on the concrete floor. the amount of money i spent on just replacing those small parts would have paid for a decent set of sliders twice over and would have saved me a bunch of additional time and headaches.

[@whereswaldo5740]

Concrete roads with expansion joints come to mind catching these things. And curbs. I know of more than one guy really messed up by curb strikes. One head. One hip. First one TBI. Second huge hematoma twice the size of his head took months to absorb.

[@jpslv]

Dude, what is that jacket? It's kickass! Btw, great video!

[@187Stash]

Excellent as always, very informative. Thanks for those vids ! Liked.

[@AH-fl4lx]

Had​ a​ sweeping​ corner and​ tip over​s​ and​ the​ sliders were​ a​ magical forcefield.​

[@jonraybon8582]

Dropped mine practicing wheelies in a parking lot. With frame sliders I picked the bike up and rode on. Had I not had them, it would have been $1000 damage or more. Get them. Only damage was scrape to the slider, tiny scratch on the exhaust, and a bent rear brake pedal (easy DYI fix.)

[@classicsalted]

Other channels: watch video then like. motorcyclist mag: like video then watch

[@BritishBikerPhilippines]

haha yeah same

[@GETUPANDGO]

yep, same, heh

[@akhilanil5498]

Ah! I expected some relevant comment. PS: Aren't you the bobs and vagene guy? 😛

[@govindsankar9788]

sen bobs chetta

[@davidrivera390]

Frame sliders vs crash cage ? What do you recommend for everyday street use?

[@DerpEye]

For most people i think it would be a YES. From my experience riding on the road (and falling), it's the slower corners with wet or dirty surfaces that make you fall. If you're going really fast it won't make any difference on the road. I once fell on ice, in the shadow, on a nice 15°C day. I knew it was slippery, and at 45km/h the bike slided as soon as i leaned just a little bit. If i had a slider, it would've saved me a lot of work afterwards, since i damaged the rear fairing and scratched the engine cover. The bent clutch lever costs pennies.

[@BatMoto]

To be honest I have $20 sliders on my bike. Long sliders are known to snap the frames of the FZ6 so I have plastic mid sized slider. I can say they work as well, I went down at about 40mph and while some parts on my bike got trashed the cheap $20 Ebay sliders kept my frame and motor from getting any damage. I put more of the same kind on when I rebuilt my bike because after seeing them handle that I am happy. Yes I plan on putting a cage on it as well as on my new bike when I get it but those cheap sliders work just fine.

[@michaelpaccione3801]

Word haha just bought the exact cheap version he holds up in the video. I'm not worried 😂

[@samualiam9981]

As someone who has been in accidents with both *frame sliders* AND *race rails* I will say this: Frame sliders will help your bike if it isn't going anywhere and/or at low speeds. Race rails on the other hand... Lets just say I still have my leg AND my bike thanks to them.

[@allenhanford]

Frame sliders are very useful at the track, much less so on the street since your bike is much more likely to hit something before it slides to a stop. Also, no frame slider is going to keep your paint perfect in a crash but they do a good job of keeping your bike rideable. Lastly, sliders with offset hardware are crap. I'd rather replace a body panel than the motormount tab on a frame. With some patience, planning, and drill with a hole saw, your slider installation will look like it was done at the factory.

[@Ro6entX]

I bought radracing brand off Amazon for $50 and saved more potential damage after i had roughly 30-35mph low side. Bike slide on right side, caught high end of a curb,either flipped or flopped and ended up laying on left. Only speculating because i didn't see that action due to me tumbling. But ,the bolt stayed on and bent , housing got ripped off. Total damage was clutch cover bolt sheered off, bolt housing cracked, everything else was mainly comestic. Thankfully my bike was and has been repaired.

[@cladbecaha]

On a budget, I’d invest in good rider protection. The bike can look after itself.

[@michaelwong5356]

I had the nastiest surprise in 2011 when I installed frame sliders on my CBR600RR. I was doing a track day at Sepang, Malaysia. I keep hearing scrapping sound at Turn 14 but didn't care too much of it. After the 5th lap, I pitted expecting to find my foot pegs to be grounded up. To my horror, the sound I heard was me touch my frame sliders. I could have cartwheeled in that corner

[@gerardmontgomery280]

I think they were much more important back in the day when we couldn't get relatively cheap track day fairing for the interweb.

[@bijaynepali5821]

Helping me a lot in the stage of early Rider...👍👍👍👋👋

[@Beeweediffy]

I personally missing the biggest concern. Is it more likely to damage the frame due to very localized impact, meaning the place where the slider is mounted?

[@AriH211]

Depends on the slider. Depends on the crash. 8 times out of 10 you're going to be better off with [quality] frame sliders than without, but you never know what's going to happen in a crash.

[@__silver__]

Ari Henning Wouldn't it be better if the crash bar break on impact so it wouldn't damage the frame?

[@assi2assi]

f they break on impact they are completly useless xD

[@__silver__]

No I mean bend, not completely breaks. What I'm saying is that the sliders should be made out of maybe a weaker metal so that on impact it would bend, thus absorbing the entire impact and not taxing the frame too much

[@stigsstupidcousin3102]

you mean crumble? absorb the impact.

[@lancehughes571]

Had a low side at about 80kph on the track (rear end got loose). Went tarmac, rumble strip then grass, thankfully she didn’t tumble!! (R&G No cut sliders on ninja 400) I’m happy that I had them or damage would’ve been a lot worse!!! Snapped foot peg hanger, bent handlebar and shattered the tail fairing and other Left hand side fairings damaged but I’m happy that nothing major was damaged. I’m looking at building a race bike and other examples of sliders I’ve seen on race bikes have them just poking out a tad past the fairings so it’s got something to slide on but not out enough to catch and send Er to the moon

[@EarthToSean]

Another thing to consider is fixed rear-sets. Most of them are nearly just as likely to cause your bike to flip once in the grass. So if you already have them, some low profile frame sliders wouldn’t be the worst thing.

[@BSD604]

I know this video was geared towards sport bike riders but cruiser and touring bikes are just a likely to tip. When I started riding I had a Dyna, loved the bike and the look but I hated the engine guard. Almost took it off until I hit a gravel shoulder and layed down. It kept the bike above the gravel and skidded with minimal damage. Last year I was riding at night on my Road King and a moose came out of the ditch, again I go down at full highway speed. The engine guard kept as much off the asphalt as could be expected. The Big Breather filter wasn't even touched despite more than one tumble. I can't think of a scenario now where I would take the engine guard off.

[@BrianA-ql9tc]

R@G frame sliders saved my body work on my S1000RR and frame fliders saved the important bits on my ZX10R. Has been worth it for me.

[@ae70gts]

I lay my bikes down and observe contact points. In my bikes contact points are handle bars turned fully right _ left and rear fairings So i build my own crash bars that are atached to my hamdle bars that give a good 3 cm distance plus from front fairings and under tail crash bars that are attached to a solid mount and rear top case mount. Hardware i use is 12 mm plain metal tube That gives a good 2 kg added weight and fair(ing) protection.

[@mmorgz6622]

4:50 i got a set of these for my ZX14R. i just wanted anything incase it fell over off the stand. has happend in the past with another bike. as cheap as it may be, it saved my big girl from a walking drop whilst i was turning it around on a drive way. then it also saved the engine in an ~60-80kmp/h high side. it bent the bolt and the slider flattened out where it sat against the engine mount but when the bike slid over a boulder sticking out of the ground, it took the fairings right off, but not a mark on the engine. i'll definitly run another set as anything is better than nothing IMO. but if i had a more expensive set of sliders, who knows, maybe i'd be re-using them too ':D

[@matthewjackson3034]

UK here. Looking at a set of R&G crash bungs for my Suzuki Gsx 1250fa. Yes they are pricey. Puts me off a little.

[@viveremilitareest9281]

Part of me wants frame sliders, the other half of me thinks it's a vain attempt at saving your bike. The moment it's a crash involving speed I don't think they'll do anything at all. Literally a 'drop your bike' piece of insurance. I don't know, I just feel it's totally pointless the moment you're moving. And from the crash videos I've seen, none of them would have been even remotely saved by frame sliders. Thanks for the vid though!!

[@fensteinpaul4616]

Doesnt the frame sliders mounted at a single point over the frame, cause a bend in the frame during impact? As the weight distribution is acting over a single point?

[@Jenuin]

Great video. Thank you.

[@thatgingar8765]

I’m buying a 2002 TT600 and the guy said it used to be raced on the track and it had frame sliders but the slider on the left side is missing

[@mikestorck]

Something to consider: Frame sliders can actually cause worse damage than what they prevent. I had frame sliders on my 2003 Honda CB-919 and the mounting point was part of the engine block, so when the bike went down (35-40 mph) the sliders acted like a crowbar and snapped out a huge chunk of the engine, causing oil and coolant to hemorrhage, seizing the engine. I had read warnings from other 919 owners over the years, and wish I would've listened. It would've just been cosmetic damage if it weren't for the sliders.

[@PapaWheelie1]

mike storck - same happened to my fireblade once

[@patw9175]

Your mistake was putting a frame slider on an engine. Don't do that.

[@allenhanford]

When I was racing my FZR400/600 I had sliders that I designed myself. I had a single puck that was attached to THREE motormount bolts. I crashed it multiple times where I picked it up, rode back to the pits, cleaned off the dirt, and kept racing.

[@v1kku]

They are frame sliders not engine sliders.

[@Douknowgregg]

A buddy of mine just crashed his bike pretty violently. Brand new to riding on an fz09 hit the curb on a highway median threw him off the bike and the bike slid about 20 feet up the road luckily he bought the bike used and it already had frame sliders on it they did a pretty good job of protecting the bike. Although his left rear set is bent all to shit and the stator cover is road rashed and cracked the damage could of been a lot worse I'm sure

[@MattyM110]

Had them on a r6 simple bike tip over led to hole in radiator from slider snapping

[@CWPTraining]

Not so much with the frame sliders - but side case covers will save you from a walk home after a bad day !! I had to make my own in the early 90's for WERA vintage class RD400