Are Glass Mousepads BETTER? ...Maybe - Skypad

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Mousepads are very important for your setup, be it a PC or Mac, but it's almost critical for gaming. Unfortunately, there have been a lot of snake oil products out there that say they are the ultimate way to get better accuracy. So we check out these glass ones from Skypad.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - Do mousepads materials matter?
1:25 - Unboxing
1:36 - Physical first impressions
3:31 - Available sizes
4:10 - Price thoughts
5:00 - LTT Labs coming soon
5:22 - Mouse sliding impressions
5:45 - Riley's thoughts
6:30 - Colors available
7:51 - Sponsor - Manscaped!
8:40 - Gaming impressions!
10:45 - Final thoughts
14:16 - Outro

[@KilobyteKeith]

Interesting idea, but it's a hard pass from me. The noise would drive me crazy and I bet I'd be able to feel every microscopic piece of whatever between the mouse and the pad.

[@viiltelijamurhaaja7225]

I feel every time I have a hair under my mouse and I have normal mouse bad. It really doesn't happen that often. But if you can feel smaller stuff when using that, it might be a problem

[@mxvia.]

I have the skypad, and for most of the time you don't feel anything benieth it, only sometimes when it's something big which is super easy to just wipe away thanks to the smooth surface, the benefits definitely outweigh the drawbacks. It's not so loud that I really noticed after moving and it just blends in after a while. It's super easy to clean and for someone who eats at their desk like myself it's real nice to be able to clean it so easily.

[@neintails6459]

Don't you wear headphones when gaming? It might not drive me crazy but it sure as hell will make my roommate kick me out.

[@ryanb6503]

Heaven forbid it was anything capable of scratching the crap out of it

[@celuldor]

With the right skates its not a problem, its quite unfair with the wrong pads. I had this back in 2005 isch with the IceMAT and loved it, this might replace my LTT Mat :D

[@donaldmcduck8639]

We had these some 20 years ago. They were called icemat and had the same teflon feet for my MX510. Sadly the noise does not go away but it was smoothhh AF for those times.

[@witterdanwit]

Yep same. With MX500. The logical dual optical didn't play nice with the glass and was generally not as good. Still have the jcepad XL, but don't use it anymore because of the noise and the noise skates just wear away so quick.

[@Rakadis]

I still have, and use, mine...

[@LantosAhim]

Same here. I still have my old icemat and it still feels and looks like new. I used it with an all-time-favorit MX518.

[@DamianWalczak]

I was waiting for this comment, YES I still have my icemat and and its still like new despite being almost an adult now

[@tehBob]

@@Rakadis Same here. Love my IceMat

[@testbenchdude]

I used an Icemat glass pad for years. Takeaways: the tiniest bit of dust or grit will instantly ruin your day. Also if your hand sweats, it'll show on the glass. It is super easy to clean though.

[@mrtempertantrum]

My brother had one of those, which is where I got the idea to make mine. I will never, ever go back to a fabric, plastic or any other non-glass mat.

[@EikottXD]

@@mrtempertantrum Make?

[@BloodShed4REAL]

@@EikottXD Icemats are basically frosted glass with colored film on the back. So making one yourself is relatively easy (depending on your skill of course).

[@Volker_A4]

Artisan pads are only $55 to start (when in stock), so definitely less than 100.

[@konchai5918]

But not available in Asia apparently

[@koivids_]

love my hien soft, i wanna buy another for when my current one eventually goes bad

[@Volker_A4]

@@koivids_ it's kind of crazy to me that the best of the best mousepads are under $100. Pretty unheard of in the tech industry.

[@turboxide]

not including shipping though

[@Volker_A4]

@@turboxide yes, but skypad shipping is the same anyway.

[@gamebuster800]

the logo on small one is totally okay. The logo with the cloud or something would prevent me from buying it. It looks really cheap, like it's from one of these cheap stuff stores. Talking about these stores: these stores usually also sell glass cutting boards for a lot less than 100$. I wonder how a glass cutting board would compare. I'm sure you'll be able to find a matte/frosted one.

[@alexdavis9324]

I feel like you could go find a local "maker" and have them make you something that is way cooler for probably a similar price.

[@TheMrbear186]

Yeah that logo is horrendous

Yeah, I had that same reaction when I saw that ugly, cheap-looking logo in the big one, to the point that I started thinking if it could be removed with some acetone.

[@Pantiesonheadretarded]

@ Way back in the day when Steelseries/Icemat made similar glass mousepads, people would customise them by stripping the paint on the back and painting their own designs on them. I'd be willing to bet money that these are painted in the same way on the back side, though you'd have to strip the colour layer to get at the logo. But then you simply have a clear mousepad or you can paint it again.

[@ac.creations]

maybe just buy a glass cutting board and scuff it with 2000-3000 grit polish

[@fnatic]

Thanks for recommending our DASH XD! We've got even faster glide on the horizon 👀

[@ReivecS]

Resurrect the func anti-friction liquid please. Unless it turned out it was hazardous or something in which case please let me know as I still have some. :)

[@w1ndex]

I used a Boost XL Speed and also tried the Control version for a couple of years. I would try a Dash but I cannot think of a reason after trying the Skypad. And I don't have to buy a new pad every year...I have the 3.0 ordered. So maybe try staying in y'alls own lane?

[@drvish]

I've been using the SteelSeries Icemat I-2 for ~15 years. Still looks and feels new, not a single scratch. Dust wipes off easy. Once you use a new mouse on it for a bit, the feet do get a bit more quiet as they wear in, but still audible when making large fast moves. But tbh, I don't notice it during a game. One thing to also be aware of is, it can feel a tad cold in the winter if you have a cold room. But again, once you're gaming for a bit, it warms up. Every few months, I debate buying the LTT cloth pad, but seeing how crappy my brothers Razer cloth pad looks after all the skin and grime, it does put me off cloth pads in general. Overall, I'm still very happy with my glass pad 15 years on. At this rate, I think it is going to out last me. Best ever £30 or whatever I paid back then.

[@icediverfull]

I guess your brother should wash his pad then. You can get them perfectly clean, but very few people do it. I throw mine just in the shower and give it a little scrub with warm water and soap. Looks like new afterwards

[@mhammadalloush5104]

@@icediverfull Absolutely. Although I just handwash it but the end result is always worth it

[@kimsballs]

I wash my cloth pad every few months on cold hand-wash cycle. It looks good as new. Not saying it's better than a glass one, just something to consider.

[@morganghetti]

Perhaps your brother should clean it.

[@WakoJacKooo]

You stole the comment right off me . The ice pad was epic but i dropped a cup of tea on mine a few years back and smashed it :(

[@turrrret]

Small suggestion: For mousepad reviews, at least have a few different mice and (aftermarket) mouse skates at hand. I'm having the feeling that the skates supplied with the 303 just aren't that well compatible with this mousepad, since glass mousepads are usually wayy faster than average cloth deskmats. I think you guys could manage that

[@quasi25]

I agree, the testing could be a bit more thorough. Could at least have had a set of aftermarket mouse skates and waited on the first party skates from Skypad.

[@ericsankey5756]

All desk pads $30 is the only reason I bought one. It was so awesome to get the perfect size for my desk and not have to pay extra for it being "custom". Thank you Linus!

[@seettler]

I have had one of these for a few years now, when I bought it it included enough teflon pads for 6 mice/changes I think, in two different textures. They do wear but the reason I ever changed mine is due to folding or them becoming uneven for some reason. Its too bad they aren't included anymore because they are everything, without them I wouldn't bother. Sound is gone and its pretty smooth. My kind of only complaint is that you need to keep it really clean, dust will cause noise and impede movements. I just do it with my dishes. I don't mind though, cleanliness is good.

[@viiltelijamurhaaja7225]

Good that it works for you, but I could never keep it clean enough. I try to get everything in my setup to just work without maintenance just so i don't need to do anything

[@majorbogart3476]

If you want to help with the noise, peel the feet right off and let the glass lay on something like the desk pad. That air gap makes the noise louder.

[@majorbogart3476]

@Yolanda,____💋 Clearly the report button does nothing to get rid of this trash... Thanks KZbin...

[@Renee_R343]

@@majorbogart3476 Yeah, I can't fathom how, despite everything that google/youtube is capable of, they can't get rid of this very specific spam, plastered under every video a thousand times. I get that it's posted by bots from different accounts, but the content of the comment is pretty much copy/paste. Getting rid of it should be easy.

[@majorbogart3476]

@@Renee_R343 it works to their benefit in the long run to let it continue. The more of a toxic cesspool that the comments are, the harder it will be for creators to gauge their audience, and the easier it will be to take it all away "for our own good", so that KZbin can move closer to the old school ways of media and entertainment. We tell you what to watch and when. We will determine if it is worth your time or not, and worthiness can be bought and paid for. To be clear, KZbin does not care about the opinions, needs, or wants of it's independent creators or users. They are concerned with advertisers, and the multi-billion dollar companies that pay for promoted content. They have NO PROBLEM taking money from pyramid schemes, illegal online drug stores, and straight up scammers, and running their ads in the videos. Everybody has seen the ads that I am talking about, and yet it has never been a topic that really gets discussed, because we are all busy being mad at the dislike button being gone, or a particular creator being suppressed, or whatever blah-blah drama is going on... Never forget, this is a part of the company that felt it was necessary to remove "Don't be evil" from it's company values.

[@GloomGaiGar]

@@majorbogart3476 it's gone btw

[@mkygod]

The gap allows for the pad to resonate freely in the air. Putting it on a desk, or better yet, a regular mouse pad or foam shelf liner will dampen the vibration.

[@Elazul_END]

I'm a former high level competitive CS 1.6 and CS Source player and I've been waiting ages for a mousepad like this to come out. I had an Icemat back when I was playing competitively and it was by *FAR* the best one I've ever used in terms of accuracy and smoothness. If it wasn't so small I'd still be using it today, but large mousepads were pretty uncommon back then and they never made a larger size. I will be buying two of these at least (just in case they stop selling them and I break one). Regarding the noise, you get used to it and filter it out to where you don't even notice it anymore. It's not loud enough to be intrusive, and if someone is in the room with you your keyboard and mouse clicking is far more of a problem than a soft scraping sound.

[@7Uriel13]

"are glass mousepads better?" in my head all i see is someone slaming their mouse in rage and shards of glass ripping apart their hand...

[@tmarritt]

I remember my dad had one of the first lazer mouse to come out, you litterially needed a mirrored surface to run it on

[@tassadarforaiur]

I've used an aluminum mouse pad before, and it's nice, until you get anything at all dirty on the pad or in the feet. You get friction spots / scratchiness that just sucks, and then your detailing the pad with your fingernail, or the bottom of you mouse with a toothpick, to get back to the good feel

[@starwarsnerd95]

I bought an aluminium mouse pad from corsair about 8-9 years ago now and it has been fantastic, best product they ever made even though I thought it was over priced when I bought it it has absolutely been worth it 10x over

[@12chrisrob]

Hell yeah same for me I still use my MM600 that I bought in 2015. Wonderful pad and I wouldn’t go back to a non-metallic pad.

[@nazmulfahad3044]

I'm using mm350 pro from Corsair. Also have a backup Logitech g240. Both have been excellent servant to me. Although Corsair one is less sensitive to humidity

[@jjjacer]

How well do your mouse skids/feet last on them, almost all the offices ive seen people use hard surfaces for their mice (glossy wood tops, glass tops) is that the feed wear fast and eventually they burn through to the point the feet are gone and the mouse is rubbing on its plastic, which is also starting to wear. sure it moves ok across the surfaces but after the feet wear off it starts to feel gritty.

[@starwarsnerd95]

@@12chrisrob I think my one is the mm600 but from before corsairs "yellow" phase so it has the origional corsair logo with plain black surfaces on both sides, it may actually be older than I thought it was.

[@12chrisrob]

@@starwarsnerd95 Mine is the one with the original corsair logo as well and the line is red, not yellow.

[@Fools_Requiem]

I've tried hard mouse pads before, don't like them. Don't think the surface being glass would change that.

[@mrtempertantrum]

It does. Plastic hard mats are gross and gritty, I've tried them and hated them, but a glass pad is amazing.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

i tried hard mouse pads too - called desktop surface lol

[@feltmods]

I've had the Skypad for nearly a year. The noise is literally because of grime on the feet, and that the stock G303-SE feet are not rounded edges, they are literally trash on even cloth. The reason why they recommend the feet, is because they come with less impurities in the PTFE, and having more rounded edge. The only thing I will say as a con with the Skypad, is the noise because of the dust. Buy an air purifier, which, is always worth, and rounded feet, namely Tiger Arc 1, or Corepads as best value. Runner up being Tiger Ice, but you only get one set with Tiger Ice, Tiger Arc 2 are inferior in every way to all the others, and are only one set. Do not use glass feet, ceramic feet, etc on the Skypad. It will damage it. If you want less chance of dust, then use smaller feet. I recommend just using Tiger Arc 1 MS-3 style feet, they have really good rounding, are cheap, and readily available since they are purposely made for Microsoft mice, and any clones that use MS-3 style feet (Fantech XD5 and other products, Intellimouse Pro, etc.) On a side note, the best perk of the Skypad, is as long as you don't intentionally scrape stuff harder than glass on the pad, it is technically indefinite, and if there is any grime, windex / rubbing alcohol / lighter fluid, etc, perfectly clean, dries in under a minute, vs washing a cloth pad and waiting a few hours for it to dry.

[@st33ldi9ital]

why the hell should anyone have to go through all that just for a mouse?!?

[@haroldtrei]

@@st33ldi9ital If it's not for you, just don't do it, that doesn't mean that other people can't take their hobbies seriously. It's kind of what runners do with running shoes, are they going to make you run 100 times better? Probably not but maybe a tiny difference in how you feel the ground is enough for winning the marathon.

[@st33ldi9ital]

@@haroldtrei Yea sure whatever you wanna believe or makes you feel better. Idgaf about feet or pad or whatever. Nothing been new in that space for over a decade. Lol dude really said get an air cleaner.. for your mouse... Switch to trackball and ya never have to worry about any of that. Can use whenever and wherever. No pad needed.

[@feltmods]

@@st33ldi9ital You don't, for the most part with a dusty room, it rarely happens. Even if you ain't using a hard pad, there are very few mice that actually come with good stock feet. Anything from Razer after the release of the Viper is fair, Burst Pro / Kone Pro, Logitech generally just has the worst stock skates. They literally use a foam spacer so that they have to spend less on PTFE...

[@feltmods]

@@st33ldi9ital The purifier is just for laziness. Personally, I only gotta brush dust off the pad once every two days. And cleaning is literally a 2 min ordeal. Point of glass is mostly just having consistency, no matter what. Like the dude that was talking about using an Icemat for 15 years or w/e.

[@Ryu-ix8qs]

0:38 I was expecting a "pizza time" lmao

[@Brotiussy]

Still using my 2nd edition Icemat from 2005. They're extremely durable can be washed in a dishwasher. Only bad thing is the thumb nail on right hand is always a bit thinner where it scrapes the glass.

[@FreyrFox]

if its performing on par with a $30 deskmat in most ways, and is loud [unless you pay extra still] and smaller otherwise, I think im gonna go for a $30 deskmat tacky logo

[@viiltelijamurhaaja7225]

Yeah. Maybe worth it after all the accessories and stuff, but normal cloth is the best. I heard about aluminum one and maybe that's better

[@evanteneralli6295]

@@viiltelijamurhaaja7225 artisan hien >>>

[@nioxic77]

I still got an old black Icemat lying around it's quite small compared to todays mousepads, but it's also tempered glass etc. looks very much like that one tbh though it's too noisy IMO. I like the elements ice from GGMR - though it's hard to clean

[@demometalico8074]

Finally, a short-circuit video about skypad. Been my favorite for about 6 months now

[@Skywalker8510]

Considering the fact that you guys put so much effort into the ltt mousepad I’m not surprised that you couldn’t really feel a difference.

[@andres4484]

I already have one of those, it came with my case.

[@vidhyachan6494]

Is it any good or Noisy?

[@C.r.i.m.s.o.n]

Man, Linus sure changes a lot every couple of videos

[@akiraokami]

That noise really grates my ears, obviously can't make a complete statement without trying it in real life compared to how the mic picks up the sound, but pretty sure I would not be able to use that for any extended period of time based on how much the noise gets to me.

[@edwardkenway4659]

I LOVE Plouffe so much, having a honest to goodness mouse and keyboard enthusiast at LMG is awesome

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

3D Printer nerds have gone from Glass Print Beds to Glass Mousepads.

[@lazerblazer528]

lol

[@Kamel419]

I got an Icemat when I was younger and spent most of my life gaming on a glass mousepad (I'm 36, that was around 2003-ish). It appears to be very similar to this. Here are my thoughts on gaming on a glass mousepad: 1. The sound never really bothered me or anyone else, but I've been lucky enough that I've always had a private space to game. 2. The consistency is the best attribute. I still have my mousepad, and it has the exact same friction as the day I got it. The only reason I stopped using it is it's too small. (also slightly suspect this is why they stopped making them - never need to buy another one). 3. Palm sweat accumulates on the pad and so I found that I would wipe it off somewhat frequently. It didn't really impact my aiming though 4. Tracking is way better than you might expect. Even super old mice like my razer diamondback 3g tracked on it perfectly, but some super cheap mice couldn't track on it (I'm going to assume this wont be a problem with any modern mouse). 5. The lip of the glass against your wrist/forearm can rub and get a little bit irritated but honestly once you get used to it you forget about it all together. 6. I was so worried about my mousepad at first, I carefully wrapped it each time I moved etc. Turns out it was for nothing, that thing is a tank. I've dropped it on concrete no issues at all. It is substantially smaller than these though, so I suspect these won't be as invincible. 7. The paint on my Icemat began to flake away some on the bottom. It was black and the glass was frosted, so I filled it in with a sharpie and it worked perfectly. 8. If you don't have mouse feet and/or the bottom wears too far down you can get a suction effect going on when lifting that's literally unplayable but hilarious. Fun for hours if you're ADHD like me. 9. For best results use a new mouse with it from day one. The mousepad preserves the condition of the mouse and feet nearly never need changing. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't experience it first hand, but usually the "crappy mouse feel" comes from a mouse that's been tainted by being used on non-glass surfaces. This even extends to things you don't think of like stickers getting curled and snagged on cloth pads then scratching the mousepad.

[@tili_]

i heard glass pads delete mouse feet

[@Kamel419]

@@tili_ that isn't my experience with the icemat anyway. My mouse feet never got low enough to need replacement. Not sure how that would change across different ones though

[@Thunderdkfox]

Brings me back to the old days. all i knew where using Icemat. we used teflon tape on the mouse feet to lower the noise.

[@sorak185]

I've had a pair of Icemat frosted glass pads for a good 14 years now, they are magnificent. Unbelievably smooth with good mouse feet, like on my G5.

[@ricardocamejomedilusa1038]

you need to get the skypad 3.0 to test properly, 50% more faster and less noise and thiner

[@zzzacksnacxx1407]

who ever said KY jelly had me crying

[@ShortCircuit]

you're welcome - Jono

[@kyousuke6902]

Iam using a random glass plate I took from the kitchen for a while now and it's quiet and so smooth feels like moving around an airhockey puck no friction at all

[@mkygod]

The best one i ever tried was the "Corepad" which i still use to this day. It has a grill mark pattern like what you would see on a microwave or oven window. It's very slick and not matted or frosted like the Skypad (or the icemat that came before it). And it sits on a foam pad instead of rubber feet. All this makes it very quiet and just a little more noisy than a cloth mousepad. Also as with most glass mousepads, theyre very easy to clean.

[@isaaccooke1892]

You also have to be very aware of the flatness of your desk/surface when using a hard top pad. If it's off by enough you're in wobble city.

[@justinedzard]

Still using my Razer Scarab from back in 2011, I don't think glass will replace my regular hard pad soon

[@SpideyDiG]

I was using my Razer Scarab up till one year ago then switched to a Zowie GSR and now the original glass Icemat. The Scarab I used for well over 10 yrs as it’s a perfect hard mousepad and works very well.

[@justinedzard]

@@SpideyDiG Yep, it's small enough and got a carrying case, perfect to carry around

[@a11aaa11a]

Thanks for the conversation from mm to cm, very helpful 😂

[@remain_]

Love the FPS / hardcore gamer content from Plouffe

[@NoSwitchyt]

These might be cool if they came clear. Then you could get one to sit on top of your desk pad and keep the aesthetics.

[@yaro_sem]

Optical mouse will not work on clear glass. Most mice are optical. Watch video "How does a Mouse know when you move it?..." from Branch Education

[@UndrRatedEnt]

​@@yaro_sem ??? Thats not true at all lol I have a clear glass top on my desk and my MSI clutch GM30 works perfectly fine

[@yaro_sem]

@@UndrRatedEnt use a microscope and see if you have scratches and roughness on the glass. By design, an optical mouse CAN'T work if it's not seeing surface details, which good new glass will not have at all. Watch that video.

[@pulsebuster4515]

issue with it being glass it'll be freezing to use in winter that's why I prefer fabric.

[@applebottomjeansbootswitht6745]

I have an old Steelseries glass mouse pad! Glass mousepads were used for the times when we used ball mice!

[@Da_Thaxu]

I have been using a glass mousepad for years now.. feels nice and smooth. Also easy to keep clean.

[@ApfelJohannisbeere]

Please get the teflon feet and test this again, I really am curious about the decibel and the smoothness/accurateness of this.

[@ehdbom]

both feet are teflon/ptfe. Logitechs teflon feet are from experience though a little worse than corepads.

[@Girz0r]

Long time Icemat user here. It's still going, and still kicking ass for FPS. The etching on the glass will eventually wear down and there will be less noise. You will go through mouse feet but w/e. Also, the pad will form weird optical reflections that the mouse will pick up. Spinning your character a million miles in a circle. Other than that I still love this thing.

[@Peterpiperspickledpeppers]

I shouldn’t have to wait for the product I bought to be the same as a cloth

[@DJCW_]

I've been useing the same Icemat 2nd Edition since 2006. This is just what I've been looking for as i always wanted a bigger one.

[@profosist]

Precisely why I picked one up.

[@marlo25alpha]

Plouffe being the resident ShortCircuit guy is great. He's so chill and nice.

[@qwertyferix]

Time to test mice with glass skates on a glass pad!

[@distelmarc]

the problem i always run into with cloth mousepads is that they get real dirty real fast, and usually they are dark colored so it really shows. Yeah, I can clean it, but it is much easier and quicker to clean a hard pad than a cloth pad

[@Wipspeed]

I remember back in the day of 2006 using "The Icemat Mouse Pad" which is also made out of tempered glass. The only problem i had with it back then was when a little bit of dust or cat hair was on the mouse pad, you could feel it through the mouse and sometimes hear it

[@Degenerecy]

I used to use one of those 5 star ones as my old one dragged way too much, felt like carpet. Then the notebook warped. Still for the months I used it, it was the best, even grabbed a piece of pressed board(extra shelf from desk) and glued the cover on it. Didn't work too well. However it was the easiest to clean, wipe if off and it is as good as new.

[@davehumphries]

Idk feels like they should have used the feet as a third (or fourth if they want to do it on the LTT mat as well) comparison.

[@ehdbom]

true, but most likely no difference since both are ptfe/teflon.

[@ehdbom]

just different brandings, although Logitech stock is somewhat worse than the ones Skypad sell (corepads)

[@davehumphries]

@@ehdbom wasn't aware of that, thanks

[@dahuman]

Man I've never been so not interested in something mouse related before, way too expensive and makes no difference for gaming for me personally since my mouse sensitivity is usually pretty high so I don't even need a pad that big.

[@khandave143]

Same, i play on a really high sens and mousepads size M/L are more than enough for me.

[@iamaemerald2869]

There is a difference if you use any after market mouse feet.

[@charliefox8311]

The Glorious "Element air" has been my go-to for a while. It's a 0.5mm piece of polycarbonate with very subtle texturing (kind of like an insanely high grit sandpaper) that lightly adheres to your desk. They're crazy easy to clean, last a couple years of regular use, and cost $25.

[@Enthayl]

As an owner of 3 of these Skypads (SkyPad XL 2.0[x2] and the new SkyPad XL 3.0) these are the best pads I've used in years. The noise you're probably hearing is some grime gummed up your your mouse feet. A new mouse or one with the teflon feet is super smooth and I don't hear a thing. Come on Riley!

[@512TheWolf512]

Cloth pads are superior in every respect EXCEPT maintenance. Cleaning them is a horrible pain

[@SanderEvers]

Actually, I just put my cloth mousepad in the washing machine. Works perfectly.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

These are definitely for the more hardcore mouse enthusiasts. You see people on r/mousereview using these a lot. They do have a lot better glide and speed compared to something like a cloth pad, but there are some obvious downsides. And now that we're getting more glass mouse feet I think glass pads are going to die out.

[@felicityc]

Glass mouse feet were already tried and they sucked hardcore. They were really bad. It's actually less the speed and more the consistency.

[@ShannonVampire5320]

I have been using an old Steel Series I-2 glass mouse pad for probably around 12 years now. I can't stand using mice on anything other than the tempered glass now. I've been so afraid of the day it might break and they don't make anything like it anymore. But now it doesn't seem I have to worry anymore. I think I'll try one of these.

[@patrickang7739]

That grinding sound - I'm not sure who in the right mind would consider this an option

[@NienawidzeTaStrone]

feel like this would end very badly if someone raged and smashed their mouse against it

[@ROADRAGE21]

I have the skypad 2.0, it's built like a tank. I dropped it on the floor and the floor got damaged.

[@tmarritt]

Your mouse would break first.

[@cncmasterw]

i still rock my icemat i have had for almost 12 years. I also feel using what looks like a crappy ergo mouse on a glass mousepad shouldn't be used for comparison. I use a G502 on my icemat and boy is it quiet. maybe not as much with cloth but with headphones i don't hear it.

[@EliteProductions3129]

Crappy ergo mouse? It's a G303..

[@cncmasterw]

@@EliteProductions3129 " Looks like a crappy ergo mouse " Those are words i chose yes. take away about 50-60$ to the price-tag of the mouse because of the wireless function and boom. its a 60$ mouse. While good to those who prefer those styles... it looks like a ergo mouse and not one id personally ever use. It having two huge mouse pads might affect the performance of the glide... and also note that because its been primarily used by a cloth mouse-pad stuff gets stuck under the teflon skids, which causes that grinding noise. There are little minor things about having a glass mousepad I happily deal with over a cloth mousepad... The biggest positive here.. If well taken care of, the glass mousepad will last your gaming lifetime.

[@allenwhite7947]

LTT LABS STUFF! Can't wait

[@bloink3511]

When you had the colors stacked up it looks like the cutting board set at my work

[@ROADRAGE21]

I play overwatch at a pretty high level (4.1k peak) and I can whole heartedly say that it is the best mousepad on the market. I have an artisan hien and a g640 and switching from the hien to the skypad I went from 100k in gridshot to 120k in less than a week. not the best but still very VERY good.

[@rufiooo7]

Just out of curiosity, are you a wrist aimer? I feel like this isn’t the one for lower sens

[@ROADRAGE21]

@@rufiooo7 I use my fingers for micro adjustments, wrist for aim and arm for close range aim and for 180 flicks, I have a 28cm/360. I have used it for arm aiming with a 48cm 360 numerous times in tac fps games the stopping power is there so it won't be bad by any stretch of the imagination but for tac fps I would recommend an artisan zero or if you want something cheaper a g640 or gp4. if you want a LOT of control and move your hand a lot the gpz1 isn't a terrible choice either just make sure you palm grip or palm claw with it because micro adjustments are practically impossible and leads to inflammation very fast

[@Z3t487]

@@ROADRAGE21 I play the old school Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory fps game on PC and my accuracy went from barely 30 accuracy to consistently 40 most of the time with hitscan smg guns (that have huge weapon spread to control in this game if these accuracies seem low to you) just using a 122 cm mousepad and lowering my eDPI to 400. I'm on about the 100 cm/360 sensitivity. I want to go even lower sensitivity with an even lighter lighter mouse and bigger mousepad (160x80 cm) and soon as i have a good high quality desk big enough for that monstrous mousepad. Ultra low sensitivity, ultra huge mousepad and light mouse = easy flicks and still room for a full 360 on a single swipe. You are just a tiny bit slow for the 360. It's just not as crazy fast as on high sensitivity, but you can be way more consistent aimer.

[@abnormallynormal8823]

“The best mousepad on the market” But also “Not the best, but very good”

[@Moon_Presence]

People still play Overwatch?

[@aviation_mv]

Me who uses no mouse pad😏

[@williamcoburn4486]

This video is an AWESOME ad for LTT store desk mats

[@TheJQ54]

I have a metal mouse pad that has two separate textures on each side called a BX01 made by Blade Hawks and it has been amazing.

[@Mint-tk5zn]

Lol, I just watched baordzy’s review on this

[@Belgaer]

As someone who uses a glass mousepad for gaming every day, I definitely feel like the Skypad was misrepresented here. This review was terrible.

[@ehdbom]

I’m not sure I am myself a fan of these hard mousepads but other reviews on this mousepad has praised it so seeing this video was kind of weird.

[@austin.paquette]

I mean, if the Teflon pads are the make or break for the performance of the mat, I think the company should've considered sending some. They sent $500+ worth of mats in different colours and sizes, but didn't spring to send them any of the $8 feet? It didn't really help their case. It's not LMG's job to go out and buy the stuff required for the type of content on this channel.

[@red_wheelbarrow641]

i am curious how does it feel when its a hot day in summer? -is there a better feeling to it or worse compared to the "regular ones"?

[@Belgaer]

@@austin.paquette Funny thing is, that Logitech G303 Shroud mouse they’re using in the video already comes with PTFE feet (Teflon is a trademarked name, not the actual name of the material). Most mice do these days. So I have no idea why those feet are so loud against the skypad in that video. I’ve tried several types of PTFE feet on my glass pad and it’s never been that loud. It’s possible the feet need to broken in, which is more of a Logitech issue than an issue with the mouse, because that would be the case on any surface. As for them sending him skates, you make a good point, but he also says that the skypads were sent, but then later says that he bought them… so who knows.

[@Belgaer]

@@red_wheelbarrow641 So, my hands will occasionally leave some moisture on my pad when my hand gets a bit sweaty, but it’s never affected the glide in the way humidity affects most cloth pads. EDIT: I just realized you may not be talking about the glide, you might be talking about how it feels against your skin maybe? Hard to tell how you meant it. I’ve never needed an arm sleeve like this guy goes on about. I’m not exactly dragging my arm every which way. It’s worth noting that you don’t need to arm aim with a glass pad. One of the reasons I use a glass pad is because I have an old shoulder injury and a glass pad lets me wrist aim without losing the ability to flip around whenever needed, and without having my shoulder pain flair up. It’s not like I drag my whole forearm across my pad every time I make adjustments. Besides, the guy has a hoodie on… so he definitely gets no use out of the sleeve.

[@GeekGarageDK]

it's funny how old tech gets a new life. back in the days when we ran frosted mouse pads, we just used teflon tape, the brown stuff like 3M 5451 and cut a few strips and taped on our mouse. cheap AF and that mouse had absolutely no friction what so ever. i think i still have a roll some where.

[@fkthewhat]

I like this presenter. Very calming! The mousepad reminds me a lot of the build plate of my 3D printer. Wouldn’t it get a bit cold?!

[@PitboyHarmony1]

Its kind of disingenuous to do this without the teflon pads as recommended by the mousepad manufacturer ... and then complain about the noise. Anyone who wants and pays this much for a hard pad, is going to happily shell out for the pads. This review went half way ... and stayed there. LTT didnt give this a fair shake.

[@yajaman]

I'm assuming that the manufacturer sent them these mousepads for review like a lot of the products on here. If so, it was also 100% on them to send the teflon mousefeet as well

[@ehdbom]

well here’s the problem the mouse already has PTFE/teflon feet on it from factory. Although Logitechs stock feet are not as good as say corepads which Skypad recommemded, they are still very close and there shouldn’t be a huge difference.

[@PAPAEMU]

A little annoying he didn’t know the prices or facts and had to ask someone off camera for info over and over.

[@dubious6718]

Mousepads was sent to them from the maker, and they didn't include the feet, so they get a bad review.

[@NeoCyrus777]

A 14.5 minute video that presented almost no relevant information that a mousepad review should... It's a glass speed pad FFS, even with the garbage stock Logitech impure PTFE it should still glide significantly better than on any fabric pad.

[@Sophistry0001]

I wonder how slick and quiet it is with the special mouse feet. That should really be a package deal when you buy the glass pad, you get to choose a set of the mouse feet for the mouse you use.

[@Bagelzend]

Still got my Icemat from way back when, loved that thing so much. My mate who I lived with at the time, not so much.

[@NicolasChapadosGirard]

Thanks for the information

[@DegustoDelSol]

I have a very old SteelSeries hard pad, now called QcK and only in one size, while when i bough it they had big one and small to choose. Don't want to go back to normal ones, due to rigidity, its because im using it on my bed and normal pads roll up :)

[@Cruzz999]

I love glass mypads. I've used the one shown off in this video for years, and they're fantastic. I'd say the best thing is how easy they are to clean, not to mention the feeling of using it.

[@Tarets]

Never had any issues with noise on my Icemat, but man it was so frustrating to wipe it every single time a tiny crumb got under the mouse.

[@mattdivito3581]

So interesting to see how many people don't realize how diverse mousepads used to be in eSports years ago. Icemat (aka SteelSeries) made frosted glass mousepads back in 2001.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

This kinda reminds me of the mouse pad that came with the optical/laser mouse for the Sun workstations my father had when I was a kid in the early 90s (he worked for Sun, hence having them). They were so much nicer than the ball mice on PC of the time.

[@Fawx521]

The razer eXact mat was a classic metal/plastic mousepad, still have one in storage.

[@TheRogueAdventurers]

I had a glass topped desk, and my mouse wouldn't work properly on it, it might have been because the glass was thick before the black background so it distorted the sensor?

[@aaronbraich6262]

I have an aluminium Corsair mouse pad. It has a smooth or a rougher side but it's sometimes scratchy and skips over tiny bits of dust or something you can't even see and I have to clean it weekly along with my mouse.

[@reggiep75]

I found that I couldn't go wrong with an A3 self healing cutting mat. Hard wearing, mildly textured surface, no snagging, no uber gliding.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Hmmm, I thought about using a hard polyurethane sheet, and this about confirms that it's worth giving it a shot.

[@reggiep75]

@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart - Everything is worth a try but I can wholeheartedly recommend using a cutting mat. 👍

[@emmanuelferguson]

Currently using the Glorious Element Ice that I got on sale with a G Pro Superlight, can't really think of a better experience. It's to my smoothness with just enough friction to feel in control. One thing to note is that you've gotta keep it pretty clean (just water on a rag every now and then) to maintain that performance, but upside is your mousepad is alway clean.

[@drichcymru]

Still rocking my 20 year old Icemat. I just buy self adhesive teflon off ebay and cut it to the shape of my mouse feet. Replace them every 4 to 6 months. Bought a meter of the stuff about 5 years ago and i've still got some left.

[@nebulousintent733]

I got a leather pad a while back and love it- I think its better than glass and cloth

[@level8473]

This is what i've been looking for, I'm sure I won't hear the noice since I'd be blasting sounds through my headset, and since it's glass it's probably easy to clean and won't wear down over the years.

[@latemhh5577]

I can listen to this guy all day.

[@maxcheung6269]

I have corsair's aluminum mouse pad for years. it is very good as it wont wear out and I can just use a spatula to remove all the dirt on the pad

[@NikhoPrasetyoPratama]

The Fan noise make me feel I'm flying with afterburner on 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Prasse]

Icemats were the bomb back in the day, however scratching and sound soon faded these into oblivion.

[@plus12gaming]

I used a Razer hard mouse mat for years & it was good. It didn't have that horrible sound. I got a Logitech hard mat for my desk at work too. I was getting skips from the desk surface & that solved it.

[@Zagaara]

My 1st gen Icemat from earlier 2000s still in my drawer, only the mousepad rubber feet is melted due to aging. Compare to today mousepad standard it make much louder noise in comparison to aluminium,hard surface or cloth surface mousepad. Your mouse feet will wear out faster too.

[@readmore8974]

It might work if you play with high sensitivity (like you play in the video) but I don't think if I played on it would just constantly be making *CLANG* *BANG* *DANG* sounds as I lift and place down my mouse quickly.

[@duch11]

Wow a blast from the past! I last used a glass mouse pad back in 2005!! (then it broke!!)

[@bestbattle]

Can you buy a borosilicate glass (used for 3D printers beds) and use it as a mousepad?

[@Pulverpojken]

I have the Corsair MM600 Aluminum mousepad since early 2015. Such a great value. If you find a hard surface pad that you like you should get it. It's extremely high value since they don't really wear out.