Are Hard Drives DISAPPEARING?

[@leavemyponyalone5681]

When switching from an HDD to SSD was like discovering a new world. Everything felt so much faster on the SSD it was incredible.

[@goodboi42]

I started to see everything in fast moving binary.

[@terranceclark8328]

It's sad im still on HDD xD

[@FLODEZZ]

Terrance Clark Me too 😔

[@blinkcatmeowmeow8484]

@@terranceclark8328 R.I.P

[@DirtyAstronaut]

@@terranceclark8328 I still use one for less common files (music, movies). Games and OS on SSD. You can literally get one for like 20 bucks that you can fit your OS and 1 or 2 big games on.

[@ArthurM1863]

Short answer: No Long answer: *LOADING...*

[@redekco]

lmao

[@meurer13daniel]

Short answer: 10Gb/s Long answer: 400Mb/s

[@rawnakjahan2448]

Hi arthur you still alive?

[@BLKBRDSR71]

Good one... 😂

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Are Hard Drives DISAPPEARING?" Mine have not disappeared.

[@MrMattpnk]

Have you checked your case recently?

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@MrMattpnk Good one!

[@kellanwhyte2073]

@@MrMattpnk i didn't check my case since 2016

[@antenna_prolly]

Thanos Computer

[@aimohsin1380]

@@kellanwhyte2073 holy shit I dont want to think what insect have made a colony there. Clean your PC every 2 weeks man. And check your CPUs thermal paste

[@uthmanbaksh3530]

SSDs are great for the main Boot drive, but when it comes to expanding storage, HDDs are still a great cheap option.

[@dave6800]

I think sata ssds are starting to take their place tho, while they are obsolete as a lower capacity main drive in something lime 4tb's and over they are like 40% of the price of an = storage m.2 drive, I think this price gap gets so large because of how hard it is to pack data in such a small form factor. Also why servers are moving to ssd but still mostly 2.5 or 3.5 inch sata/sas ssds nit m.2 nvme. We just aren't far enough along for big capacity m.2 ssds to be cost effective

[@Shadow-ig3hf]

Correction: "Less prone to failure when they are being thrown around" should actually be "Less prone to failure when they are being dropped"

[@FriedTurkey]

Not if Linus can do anything about it.

[@TheDeathmail]

He's being politically correct... duh

[@ebolawarrior451]

Dammit you beat me to it.

[@FMHikari]

Should be "less prone to anything when portable"

[@SikConVicTioN]

@UChYP4TQ9XoOrEhAr5zsbxzQ this channel has always been doing topics like this, and definitely not lame, they are supposed to be informative videos on random topics

[@Azivegu]

Linus: you might not see HDD's any time soon Me: Looking at the 4 HDDs to my left and right...

[@Alzorath]

I literally have 11 HDDs in arm's reach at the moment lol - though some of them are EoL :P - The beefy little bastards still have a place in the hierarchy - just not main boot drives or software drives anymore (still king for working file drives though due to how much more durable they are when it comes to read/write)

[@Azivegu]

@@Alzorath completely agree. I have one 500gb drive that is just critical backups (but is also mostly EoL), two 1tb drives for long term storage (can't fire them up too often as one of them might die) and a 10tb drive that I use for media, files, projects, and what not. Besides that I have another 4 ssds and to m.2's. And that isn't even including my old server (decommissioned but not disassembled). Hdds are just king when you need to store stuff longer or for frequent writes. Might even say I'm a WD fanboy, of all the drives I've had, only 4 have ever failed completely (3 Seagates and 1 Toshiba)

[@CanaldoZenny]

I bought a Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm for my PC when the previous Toshiba drive failed (click of death). Btw i'm using W10 Pro and have no complaints. Its fast and snap, maybe it would been faster with SSD, but HDDs are very reliable and they last for many years. SSDs offer less storage and i never trusted flash media, its much prone to failure than mechanical drives on my experience. I still have some old HDDs on my closed.

[@Ltellin669957]

same

[@thaurane]

5 1TB HDDs for a raid 6 here. The idea of HDDs dying anytime soon is laughable.

[@bitslay]

64 Zetabyte? Not possible Human eye cannot see more than 100 terabytes

[@wargamingsupernoob]

unless its on a graph as an example

[@scott3805]

That's what people said back in 1902... People flying ... not possible

[@imeakdo7]

Who knows, maybe we can store 1 bit per atom on a hard drive.

[@rai2984]

@@imeakdo7 or using quantum linked particles to store 2 or 4 bits

[@monkeydog8681]

People used to think humans can't travel faster than 80mph.

[@mrchordstriker]

I have found hard drives to be incredibly, in fact fantastically, reliable over the past several years. I agree solid state is more than moving parts. That's why I'm astounded. Considering a full ssd can experience difficulties and data loss if you are not careful, I find hard drives still most reliable. Didn't expect myself to say it.

[@rickytorres9089]

Me either, I glad I built this array of them even though I thought I shouldn't gone for SSD for the power savings. They are used for storage for THAT exact reasoning. If an SSD doesn't see a power SATA cable you pretty much at risk of not seeing the data even after a short while. I am not even gonna trust USBs and such like that either as result. So I will reload Linux ISOes as soon as I need them too.

[@dannyaditya1]

3 years later after your comment, i am agree 😁 when a ssd fail we will lose 70% of it's data. while with failing hdd we can save 70% data restore.

[@Lonewolf-ei5yv]

And these will be the only ones to still exist in the next decade : 20TB and more external usb hard drives. By next year the paradigm shift will be M. 2 for the os and programs and a sata 3 ssd for temporary storage (and fast access speeds ).

[@Rockforce80]

Short answer: No Long answer: Noooooooooooo....

[@weeding]

LMFAO

[@Emppu_T.]

Longest answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIPCh5efrMdnqqc

[@dev1lm4n63]

I'm afraid that in your anger, you've killed her

[@oniruddhoalam2039]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[@morgan1168]

175 ZB............LTT Petabyte project by the time it's finished.

[@MaksKCS]

Zettabyte project*

[@WayStedYou]

LTT server 2045 1000ZB

[@toocooltododrugspencil1691]

Ooo 😃😮

[@Blazar.]

picture yottabyte*

[@asadrahman615]

@@WayStedYou bro Linus passed away at 2040 Its Coltons Tect Tips Now in 2045

[@r.g7261]

Linus : "Are hard drives disappearing?" Hardcore Gamers: "Oh I don't think so"

[@elmariachi5133]

More like data hoarders. Collection digital crap for more than 30 years has it's price..

[@RAYTHEONGAMING]

@@elmariachi5133 *Guess what my hard drives aren't going anywhere...* *One my my very old WD drives alone has more than 68,000 hours of power on time and countless terabytes of transfers and still has decent read write speed.* *Show me a SSD anywhere on the planet with that reliability and I'll give you my entire life savings and 401k*

[@elmariachi5133]

@@RAYTHEONGAMING You know that there's no fair solution to this question, because that would make at least 8 years overall, just for the power on time, and SSD where far from mature back then ;)

[@Linkatchu]

@@elmariachi5133 I even game some games from 7,200 rpm hard drives

[@magistercat4126]

@@RAYTHEONGAMING That is the most BOOMER thing I have ever heard in my life The only thing not boomer about it is the fact it has tech. Although I didn't like what eli said you deserve an entire subreddit called R/TechnoBoomer

[@quariumicarianmapping5650]

4:01 There shouldn't be twos in the binary animation.

[@ramdhit]

Hawk eye. . . How'd you notice that. . .

[@phucminhnguyenle250]

How to learn this power?

[@imeakdo7]

Maybe they just smashed the 1 and 0 keys at random and they accidentally pressed the 2 key.

[@rtg5881]

theres 10 types of people. Those who understand tertiary, those who dont and those who mistake it for binary ;)

[@lexzbuddy]

22121121

[@DemonicDragon08]

Linus: Then it gets called back again when it gains popularity sounds a lot like youtube algorithm

[@d00m3fanatic]

That awkward moment you go to like a video you liked 3 years ago and forgot. Can't tell you how many times lol

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Yeah I agree with you.

[@Azivegu]

@@d00m3fanatic a few weeks back I was watching a video. Wanted to like and leave a comment, only to discover that not only had I liked it, but had a comment with hundreds of likes and several replies with an expansive conversation going on between me and others. But I have no memory of it at all. And usually if I forgot it, I can remember some of it eventually, but still I have no memory.

[@TechnoYacy]

👌

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Azivegu I hate when that happens.

[@Oreoezi]

SAS HDDs are also becoming so cheap I find myself checking if I missed a digit in the price tag

[@hugo9016]

Are they good for a steam libary

[@hugo9016]

@Avra ahh okay thanks for letting me know

[@robertconover7178]

Avra I have a 3tb hdd at 5k rpm, should I just save until I can get a 2tb ssd?

[@kurtishendrix]

@@robertconover7178 yeah 5k are so slow, you would see a huge difference switching to a SSD.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

@@robertconover7178 If it's your OS drive then yes get an SSD as soon as possible. If it's a storage drive for movies, pictures, music and such then it's not as important, but yes a SSD will still be snappier. And if it's for your steam folder and games in general then it's really a question of priorities. Do you need the space or could you do with a 2TB SSD? And how important are game load times for you? Storing your games on an SSD will not improve framerates, but might improve on stuttering caused by a game loading resources and it will improve load times, though usually not by as much as you would think just looking at the specs. Turns out a lot of games spend considerable time uncompressing and compressing data during load, things that not necessarily is bottlenecked by the storage.

[@paulboulter3726]

US Military : I guess we should finally get rid of these floppy drives HDD Makers: Government contract!!! 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@yousaf-yt4922]

😂😂😂

[@merypiterson140]

XD yeah lol the military is always WAY behind new technology like the are still using Windows XP or windows7 😂

[@rickytorres9089]

@@merypiterson140 You will thank me later that the medical machines are still on "tried and trusted" software (and hardware) when all of the "newer kinks" haven't been worked out. If it works, don't try to "fix it" applies very true in critical workloads such as this, military, nuclear reactors etc. I will agree however that you still need a "happy medium" though. Last thing you want to happen that them still using HDDs where SSDs couldn't saved your life because of their benefits.

[@edd9581]

When a MacBook ssd fails as it is soldered to the motherboard the entirely computer has to thrown away

[@danielschroedinger2090]

...and you have to buy a new one. ;)

[@sharl_leg]

*APPLE INTENSIFIES*

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Apple Apple

[@one4allall4one91]

Capitalism at work.

[@henrysgarage3399]

Dumbass just unsolder it

[@lextacy2008]

When it comes to NAS , Hard drives aren't going anywhere soon.

[@brendanlucero8585]

I'm new to PC stuff. What is NAS?

[@lukesepter3250]

@@brendanlucero8585 network-attached storage. It's just a kind of storage for servers

[@theultimateninja]

@@brendanlucero8585 when you get multiple hdd but use them all as 1 drive in unison. Its super fast.

[@HaakonHawk]

@@theultimateninja That's RAID. NAS is Network-Attached-Storage. It just means you're running a tiny server with a lot of storage and share it on a (usually) local area network, so any device on that same network can easily access the storage. However, drives in NAS servers are more often than not, configured using RAID. So that's that.

[@theultimateninja]

@@HaakonHawk oh shit ur right haha.

[@sps014]

Linus : hardisk disappearing Me : saving money to buy 5400 rpm hard disk

[@aguy3664]

Wtf who saves up for 5400rpm hdd in mother russia we steal hdd’s

[@Zkako1151]

Иосиф Сталин in mother russia we should ALL share the same huge hdd

[@isaacprice2603]

Far Horizon I feel you I have a desktop and it’s main storage is 1tb 5400rpm

[@abhroy]

Please look for Toshiba DT01ABA100V 1TB 3.5" 5700 rpm . Budget friendly & SUPER reliable . @ Horizon

[@White_Owl217]

7200 loads porn faster

[@jerryg50]

SSDs have write limited lifespan. For usage where many writes are constantly required day after day HHDs will outlast any SSD. SSD are great for boot drives and small amounts of data writes per day. Normally for a home computer the standard SSD drive would outlast the expected lifespan of the computer.

[@tghecko5258]

I've had many HDDs fail within a year or two since capacities have increased. Those things are garbage. I've only been using SSDs for about two years but none I've bought have failed yet. So far in my experience, HDD failure rates have been atrocious compared to any SSD failure rates (0 so far).

[@stephensnell5707]

​​@@tghecko5258Hard Drives are way better than SSD drives are

[@Sonicgott]

I've always told people to just keep your operating system, programs, and games on your SSD, but copy the data to the hard drive. Don't boot from the hard drive.

[@rickytorres9089]

Exactly, I take it a few steps further and Linux RAIDed 1 two used 2.5" 7200RPM 500GB HDDs as my "main store" then every now and then back up to my Seagate 1TB external. As "bulletproof" as you can be before enlisting a online solution. If you can just use someone like LunaNode to provision a store of your own (just make a stupid large HDD volume to your desire and backup/use as you wish). As a result you will get be able to get better service and more privacy than most if any "cloud storage" providers like Dropbox, Google, etc.

[@Leon-kf2tx]

SSD OS HDD Storage Will continue very long I think

[@hailgod1]

@KC because u will never write enough to kill it. my samsung 840 pro from 2013 is going strong.

[@Deliphin11]

@KC Modern SSDs are rated for having their entire storage written several times a day for several years straight. Regular consumers will never reach it.

[@jaceneliot]

I have 1.5 tb of ssd and 12 tb of harddrive. I would say ssd for all game and program and os and harddrive for pirate stuff

[@hailgod1]

@@Benni711 ssd deaths are very spontanous, often with very little symptoms. however, their lifespan is generally far longer than hdds.

[@trt11335]

@KC do you know how much writes it takes for an SSD to fail ? its 300TBW for a 500gb SSD (Samsung 970 EVO plus) (5 year warranty)

[@tarzuk007]

Linus: Hdd are disappearing Me: No SSD are rising

[@kristoffer6349]

*SSDs are ryzing

[@TheDeathmail]

Yes, they are disappearing on common home computers.. but they aren't going extinct. Just being less...

[@hansturpyn5455]

@@TheDeathmail not in the first 5years that is. Eventually yes. Pretty sure about that

[@Geeknificent]

@Dawid Jandzinski you're the idiot here r/woooosh

[@galaxymaster]

I will always go for a HDD since the stuff I put on there will stay there. SSD just can't compete when it comes to long term storage

[@sodiumvapor13]

Just rescued an old 15GB IDE drive my parents put under our stairs 21 years ago. All data was still there! Including files from 1997

[@rickytorres9089]

EXACTLY that's how I feels about it. SSD for boot and applications and that's it. Everything else's goes to the used HDD RAID 1 array AND the SSD gets additionally backed up every now and then to the external HDD. So I have 3x copies of the "important" stuffs and 2x copies of the "meh if they goes then I just need to reset all my passwords and reconfigure apps".

[@gabrielebiffi9018]

Linus: "Consumer MLC last less than enterprise SLC" Google: "There's no difference" HP: "Our enterprise SLC die after 32,768 hours"

[@jmugurr994]

That's about 3.75 years assuming they are run 24/7. I don't know how long they are supposed to last but that sounds like a pretty good run.

[@tonycrabtree3416]

HP does enterprise? I guess HPE will have to get into consumer as a retaliation.

[@CaptPatrick01]

That ain't good for me, as I cannot afford a several terabyte SSD.

[@jake.bennett]

Patrick Lloyd they’ll get cheaper over time

[@jeremyniels]

Samsung announced they wanted to bring back ssd costs to hdd lvl cost by 2020

[@vakantieman3270]

@Alex 2017 Just use Both. U can get a 250gb SSD for 50 dollar. U Will het huge speed boost and still have Ur old HDD for files...

[@lukesepter3250]

@@jeremyniels that's quite ambitious, they are currently the most expensive😂

[@MrMagichobo21]

you can get a 1tb SSD for around $100 these days. Micron has a 2tb for 200 but it's got really poot write endurance considering the size, I think it's only 400 TBW

[@syncmonism]

I definitely still want to keep using mechanical hard drives in addition to SSDs. For most users, SSDs are for installing programs onto, mechanical HDDS are for storing large amounts of data, especially video and backup archives.

[@SuperShesh2]

Reminder that “military grade encryption” is what everyone uses everyday. It’s not that special

[@billybobjoe198]

Reminder that military grade aluminum and stainless steel are what people use everyday. Hell we all use military grade money everyday.

[@davidcobra1735]

@@billybobjoe198 Military grade aluminium as in exotic high carbon mixture aluminum is used everyday? For what? I've never seen any...

[@billybobjoe198]

@@davidcobra1735 The military uses a lot of different series of aluminum alloys, unsurprisingly, they're all used in commercial goods.

[@davidcobra1735]

@@billybobjoe198 OK. And can you name a product then? You basically still haven't answered my question. I've never seen anything made out of the brackish aluminium alloy that's used for say helicopter parts. Supercars? Do those use that?

[@billybobjoe198]

@@davidcobra1735 6061? That's used all over. It literally what your soda cans are made out of. Name what alloy of aluminum you think is the only one that's "military grade".

[@AngDavies]

SSD have gotten so competitive recently, I remember a time when a $1 per gigabyte was considered the bar for cheapness for an SSD, back in 2011/2012, that's not that different to the price of the Optane now, it's dropped in price by a factor of almost 10.

[@fusion_gemer1657]

hdd- a cheap way of holding so much storage. Just get an ssd for your bootdrive and hdd for everything else

[@brendanlucero8585]

What about Video games? Won't they run better and load faster on an SSD?

[@Aereto]

Except certain games that demand high read throughput that load to RAM is much greater than VRAM, normally in open world genres, or detail-intense maps of multiplayer. Granted they are uncommon, but when loading a game takes several minutes, or a multiplayer game has a timeout counter shorter than it takes for your computer to finish loading and start synchronizing with the host server, consider putting then in the SSD. NVMe if we are talking seamless loads or games with RAM-intense loads.

[@fedyx1544]

Considering ssd easily reach 1tb cheaply, you can have all your frequently used games there

[@Tigerskunk]

@@brendanlucero8585 yes, but that is what 10k or 15k rpm hard drives are for. 😁 I have an sdd for boot and most used programs. A WD velociraptor for my other games. Then slower hard drives for movies, pictures, and documents.

[@thisemptyworm4677]

Brendan Lucero intense games goes on ssd Low end games on HDD

[@TetraSky]

They don't need to be "smaller", though. They could make 3.5" SSDs, that have an even higher capacity than the small 2.5".... but they aren't doing that, because it limits their market to desktop PC instead of laptops as well.

[@eeuwedevries]

it's is actually not a physical space limit but the memory controllers can't handel the capacity. at this current time

[@lukasstadler6594]

Physical space is not a problem at all with 2.5"

[@xponen]

but SSD are tiny, look at M.2 NVME drive. 2.5" are just empty physical spaces.

[@rickytorres9089]

They do make them, prepare to have a budget like buying an electric car though! Also it's REALLY dumb for a home user to have a 100TB drive like that though. If you are SERIOUSLY demanding that amount of storage just get a lot of used 16TB HDDs from Ebay. From reliable sellers and you'll thanks me that you can still access your valuable data even if power is lost for awhile (at least for a few years at time).

[@NETBotic]

"All that data has to go somewhere" *pornhub has entered the chat*

[@SilverScarletSpider]

The reliability of an SSD is a key selling point for consumer laptops and people that want faster computer start ups. Who wants a laptop that corrupts its own data after 5 years? A hard drive still has it’s niche in desktops and servers.

[@Sahtoovi]

SSD for boot and some software, HDD for literally everything else change my mind

[@karlkukk7080]

SHF // ShadowHunterFi I bough a 1tb m.2. Changed my mind.

[@Sahtoovi]

karl kukk i'm too poor for that shit

[@jak0661]

U need a ssd to get into all ur games fast

[@TheValentineEnemy]

Don't have to change mind there, have SSD for windows and HDD for storage kinda. Cheaper and still can benefit. :P

[@billB101]

As someone who's had a couple of SSD failures I couldn't agree more. Although I run two SSD's, M.2 for boot, SATA SSD for working projects and HDD's for assets and backup.

[@SWAGCOWVIDEO]

I wouldn't need an SSD if Windows 10 wasn't constantly scanning my C: disk at 100% for no reason.

[@Tactical_Nightwach]

Or updates for that matter lol

[@SWAGCOWVIDEO]

@@Tactical_Nightwach True, but I'd like to to control when they're installed because every time I boot my computer it takes a Taco Bell dump for at least 50 minutes before I can even click on the taskbar.

[@Phoenix_SW20]

@@SWAGCOWVIDEO I know the feeling. I used to have a 2TB 5400RPM WD Green for a boot drive running Windows 10. That was hell.

[@silversolver7809]

That's probably not Windows scanning, unless you've enabled something to run at startup-like indexing the disk, Defender scan, defrag etc. Check the Startup tab in Task Manager and disable whatever you don't need. I bet it's some other apps like anti-virus which are set to run on Windows start. If you're not paying attention when installing apps, many of them like to set themselves to run at boot time. ~ I assume you've checked for malware, of course-who knows what that could be up to. Also, you have enough RAM so everything isn't running off virtual memory on the HD, and that you have 15-20% free space on your defragged disk. [Don't defrag SSD, only HD]

[@pk9855]

@@Phoenix_SW20 Superfetch process: Hold my beer.

[@AlbySilly]

The reason I haven't switched to ssd is the durability, I've had my hdd fail only once after almost 7 years of use and the data could still be easily recovered and put into another hdd at my local shop

[@rickytorres9089]

I would still use a used reputable sold one on Ebay for a boot drive and other data that have to be REGULARLY live. But yea if you aren't using an SSD live then you ARE using it wrong.

[@alvinxsingh]

Man I was hoping he mentioned something about long term storage in the battle between solid state drives and spinning disk drives.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Ikr. You can't let an SSD unpowered for too long if you want the data on it.

[@Nikkk6969]

I’ve heard SSDs can start losing data within a week without power

[@MotoAtheist]

Long term storage may be an issue currently, but it will be solved. It could be as easy as having a storage rack that plugs in and stores anywhere from 20 to 50 SSD's.

[@rickytorres9089]

Exactly! There are cases that you might be either forcefully or otherwise away from your data that a few years or so is realistic to be able to power back on your HDDs to revert back to!

[@rickytorres9089]

@@TheFourthWinchester So true! I heard it's lucky to be able to do this within a year's time. Forgot powering a SSD well after that "best by" date.

[@MayaPosch]

The thing with HDDs is they're the only reasonable way to have the amounts of storage one needs these days. After the OS has slurped up half a TB along with the apps, one's media & game libraries still need some space, and maybe you also do some DSLR and video recording (4K, of course). With the 2010-era storage of a mere 1 TB, one would be forced to fiddle around with external storage, slow online storage, etc. This when for the price of a 1 TB SSD you can get 5-6 TB of HDD storage and no longer have to worry about running out of space, or running out of funds. Many folk will also have a NAS around, where you have something crazy like 24 TB of usable space for essentially peanuts. None of that is going away any time soon.

[@tralphstreet]

I have a 500GB HDD and doing fine. I game too so it's filled with crap. 1TB would be more than enough.

[@reistje]

Windows is like what 30Gb? Lets say Adobe + some CAD software take another 100Gb That leaves another 870Gb for games and media. For me that's more then enough, once I'm done with a game for a while I uninstall it. I do have a external drive for backups, but realistically there's probably 5Gb of unreplaceable data (personal stuff) and 900gb of replaceable stuff like programs, series and movies.

[@MayaPosch]

@@reistje On this 4-year old installation of Windows 7 the OS (on its own 150 GB partition) has grown to over 100 GB, 30 GB plus user data and applications that demand to be installed on the C: partition. The D: partition with applications (Adobe, Autodesk, etc.) is 225 GB. On E: (primary storage), I have used 3.37 TB so far, of 4.11 TB, with just under 900 GB available on the secondary (1 TB) HDD. I also have that 24 TB (after formatting) NAS on my network, because I have a lot of project files and raw footage. Most of this is pure hobby stuff, too.

[@AngryChineseWoman]

Just checked my PC, nope, still there

[@andreibunea2564]

lmao

[@jdmnissan]

Lol I watched it while in the toilet on my pixel 😂

[@007vsMagua]

Thanks Linus for the update. I'm glad to hear Hard Drives are not going away as they are an amazing piece of mechanical hardware.

[@martinmartin8894]

Unreliable SSDs will never take over.

[@rickytorres9089]

PLCs (and even QLCs) are sad jokes. They essentially the "disposable diapers" of the IT world... Even SoCs have their places than these "use it for a few years and it dies" drives. If I only have so much money and I NEEDED load of data storage, I am still gonna buy a used HDD. Even if it comes to being my boot drive (If my MLC 64GB Silicon Power goes on a short notice for example). Of course I would EVENTUALLY source a used SSD for the boot drive but I am not gonna enlist a $20-$40 SSD "just so I can have the speeds". Only for it to dies on me assuming the controller and DRAM module aren't pure trash to put the nail in the coffin before then.

[@rado9292]

There are still SCSI and SAS drives being used in the enterprise market- so Hard drives will stay around.

[@rickytorres9089]

SASes are garbage now of days. Most 7,200RPM guys are better/similar to a SAS drive. Companies are likely holding onto them cause they "don't want" to change to normal HDDs. Unless of course if it "life or death" to be doing that (hospitals, reactors, etc).

[@wax333]

still rocking my 1TB 7200rpm HDD from 2009 yeahi boi.!

[@katsuie2100]

1:21 Straight up sounds like an A-10 Warthhog

[@RPGBnB]

Imagine if someone were to make a hard drive the size that they were in the 1950s. How much capacity do you think they could put on something that size with current read/write head technology?

[@Ozymandias1]

Apparently when SSDs fail they fail completely. Hard drives can be recovered. I don't know if that's still the case but that's what I learned years ago.

[@arshiasoleimany4509]

AvariceUntied ehh it’s slightly wrong

[@JohnJohnson-hn9fx]

This is true in some scenarios like server rooms they fail but due being used 24h a day but due to the config in a data center data can't be lost due to other ssds having images so losing one will not be a problem but generally in consumer grade this isn't a problem

[@compmanio36]

Depends on how a HDD fails. Click of death you usually can't recover without someone physically dismantling the drives in a clean room and that costs thousands. Most people can't justify it. But for a corporate or government situation, yeah, it's a big business.

[@TechnoYacy]

Oh uh

[@davidcobra1735]

Depends. If a part of a multi channel controller burns out you might still be able to access some of the files. If one of the memory chips burns out you should still be able to access the other ones. It really varies. If it "disappears" after a power outage you might be able to bring it back to life by "power cycling" it, meaning you pull out the data cable, leave the power cable plugged in, turn the PC on and then you go stare at the Bios setup screen for about an hour. Then reattach the data cable and see if the SSD is recognized the next time you turn the PC on. If you're really lucky everything's back to normal. Never use an SSD with a power supply that has a hold time of less than 20ms (which is many)!

[@HuggieBear39]

I know I put a 1T HDD to store my files and a 512G SSD for boot and fast access files

[@lukesepter3250]

Yup 2tb hdd and 480gb ssd for me

[@ybr8192]

I have 500GB cheaper nvme, instead of SSD, as well 1TB & 4TB HDDs

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

@@ybr8192 You've mixed up the terms a bit in this post. NVMe is a device interface. All NVMe drives are SSD's. However an SSD can be connected by NVMe, SATA or SAS interface.

[@fortunefiderikumo]

250gb O.S SSD and 1tb hdd Game drive

[@leo-fg9du]

I have no luck with hhds, will try my luck with ssds and nvmes to see if hey last longer

[@thegeneral123]

HDD's have their place for storage. SSDs are great and much faster but I recently bought an 8tb external HDD for £125. Try getting an 8tb SSD for that price. What did surprise me though is how HDDs have held their prices. While SSDs continue to drop. In 2016 I bought a 4tb HDD and recently checked current prices. It was more expensive than what I paid in 2016!

[@BadBunny]

You really nailed it with all the graphics in this episode, a great compliment to a well presented topic 👍

[@MrZombie999]

Future Me -- Having a vision of future Linus opening a huge box of 50Tb SSDs :D

[@Jowdanicus]

"Speaking of pulling late nights..." I was expecting a fleshlight ad.

[@hankbizzo5]

They have some shame.. Prob segway to ball shaver..

[@hankbizzo5]

@Dragonsong Why, just WHY.......

[@andromedabruda34]

@Dragonsong why..

[@mjyumping]

Q: Are hard drives disappearing? A: No, because nobody has invented a hard drive that can do that.

[@haseenabadshah5381]

Heh

[@heman248]

Seems like now that linus is a millionare he has forgotten about our pleb reality

[@aaron10146]

What part of this video gives yiu that idea?

[@AinzOoalG0wn]

@@aaron10146 i think he meant 5:05 implying you won't see hdds in places you see them as often. yes people should use ssd for their desktop pcs, but they still SHOULD have big capacity hdd for just plain storage due to the price per gig. Even NAS has big benefits using HDDs over SSDs where cheaper big storage capacities is concerned. other things to consider www.backblaze.com/blog/how-reliable-are-ssds/ www.wepc.com/tips/ssd-reliability/

[@spearofneptune]

Prices in Switzerland: Standart: 1tb Samsung SSD: 134.- 1tb Seagate Barracuda HDD: 37.- High Cap: 8tb Samsung SSD: 1450.- 8tb Seagate HDD: 229.- I will replace all my HDDs with SSDs when i can buy a 8tb SSD for 229.- ^^

[@thepowerlies]

Samsung SSD's are expensive. It's pretty stupid to buy them if you are looking for low cost per Gb

[@spearofneptune]

Thepowerlies I think its fair to compare a pro ssd to an enterprise level hdd and even if i go with a "lower end" 8tb ssd which is about 800.- the hdd still wins super easy. For me is space and not speed king. Omg, my pc needs 10 seconds longer to boot...

[@joesterling4299]

@@spearofneptune 10 seconds longer? In my experience, it's the difference between a 10-second boot and taking the better part of a minute. The best balance of speed, economy and capacity now do now is a smallish system SSD combined with a large data HDD. Boot off the SSD. Store big stuff on the HDD. (500 GB + 8 TB works well, 250 GB + 2 TB for cheaper.)

[@TH3N0N4M3d]

I'll never not have a HDD I store important files on there cause if an ssd fails it's gone forever while hdds can still recover data a lot of the time

[@t7dubs424]

That's not necessarily true if an ssd fails its typically the controller that's failed, the data is still accessible by other means

[@TheXlen]

@@t7dubs424 depends what causes it to die

[@luismorgenstern6827]

Some people use redundant storage for "important files"... 🤔 I know... Crazy concept...

[@TheXlen]

@@luismorgenstern6827 What do you mean by redundant? Backups upon backups is the only way to preserve data

[@luismorgenstern6827]

@@TheXlen I mean, storing data on different locations and not on a single disk. The more independent the failure of these locations is from each other, the better, but most importantly everything (clustered redundant file system, RAID or even a simple USB drive to store a second copy of the data) is better than a single drive and the hope that it will be repairable if it fails... And backups are only a form of redundancy if the data was not changed since the last backup. If the data was altered, every failure (main or backup drive) leads to an irreversible loss of information

[@janiszusevics2768]

Can you do an episode on why CRT monitors look better than LCD in games

[@nasal_voicedretro9940]

As an IT worker for the local government here in Scotland, we have switched out over 8000 hard drives and replaced them with NVME SSD's since January, and our team has 6000 more to go before June.. by the time we are finished, only School workers and children IN schools will be still using hard drives... then in 2021 we will be swapping them next.

[@sakariojanen2240]

I just ordered a 4tb hard drive 😂

[@sakariojanen2240]

@@nickdimopoulos4052 idk it was in black friday sale and I didn't really think about it😂

[@spork8655]

@@nickdimopoulos4052 My 8TB game HDD is half full. Some game installs are hitting almost 100GB these days. It's not that crazy...

[@huzumnicolas4343]

@@spork8655 This means you have at least 20 games in your PC so you should delete some of them.

[@Raivo_K]

@@aleksanderwit ISO format and archives exist you know. Just zip up the game folder and put it on another drive. There no point aside from convenience to keep all your games installed all the time.

[@shadowslyzethrogenada6728]

I have a 4TB hard disk drive as well and it's been kicking for two years. I like to call it my local storage because I save all of my work locally and not on the cloud smh. I will always prefer hard disk drives over SSDs as a main drive any day. :p

[@faolor6468]

Me: still uses floppy drives

[@flameshana9]

Hello military man.

[@faolor6468]

@Ian McLean damn that makes it a HARD DRIVE good thinking man

[@sharl_leg]

Oh for fucks sake!

[@trafficracer124]

Same, but only because i have an old WinZip version on a floppy disk.

[@myztik5716]

Also HDDs let you know when they're failing instead of just dying out of nowhere

[@FastSloth87]

SSDs don't just die out of nowhere, they become read-only, and that's your cue to buy a new one.

[@kathywalker5792]

Myztik I’ve never had a hard dive die but was wondering how I would know what to look for?

[@kathywalker5792]

Will Pack I didn’t know there were diagnostic programs that I could run on a HD. Definitely going to check this out this morning when I get to work. We’ve backed up everything in our business since mid 2000’s and never lost anything...yet, but I have bought and replaced HD’s over the years because I felt Better safe than sorry so would throw the old one away after about 4-5 years. Now I have everything double backed up to externals. Hard drive storage discussion is fascinating to me for some reason. 😊

[@kathywalker5792]

samantha tang I do that as well for smaller extremely important info like our quicken business files. Burn to DVDs about 4x a year as well as double backing up to external HD’s.

[@White-Wolf1969]

@@FastSloth87 Not true, I had one just up and quit working with no warning signs, won't even be recognized in the bios.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I am using Hard Drives in a RAID configuration and will continue to do so for many years. People always mock Apple for their Fusion Drives, but if you need a lot of storage and speed. It’s a good solution for those on a budget. Go figure large servers still use a similar set up. (:

[@Ed_Morningstar]

2:55 that's from the Ryzen 7 review, good'ol times

[@jdmnissan]

Ahhh yes, I feel you huddy

[@AA-tz2bm]

The SSD’s are pushing harder, hold ground.

[@JigglyRuff]

They getting cheaper as well.

[@billcruise7767]

@Cabalen Sciences limited as in you won't reach that limit for like 10 years.

[@Code_Machine]

"Old technology tends to persist in spite of new technology" - some smart douche

[@samanthatang9759]

ssd is a joke.. a scam. dont need it. for bragging rights i laugh.. expensive. a luxury.

[@tails300]

Cabalen Sciences there is no limit for reads I wish people would quit perpetuating that.

[@Lilitha11]

Data is getting so big that almost no one even knows what the sizes mean anymore. Ask random people on the street what a zettabyte or yottabye is. Spell correction on here doesn't even believe those are real words!

[@abe9818]

Yottabye? You missed a letter lolz

[@Eleven-Eyes]

@@abe9818 He did that on purpose to signal that by the time we have yottabytes the world as we know it will be bye bye/gone.

[@GiRR007]

3:20 does anyone know the name of the video he is referring to at this time ?

[@crowman943]

Found it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2KYqIFuf6hlgpY

[@ulri1122]

I miss Max D:

[@Salwarusla]

yeah, ltt have too much men than girl/women as anchors

[@hihaveaniceday9386]

@@Salwarusla what are you talking about I get a female vibe off linus

[@Erclair]

That dropping scene still put pain in my heart...

[@naturebc]

I agree that hard drives will be relevant for a long time. I would argue they will never go out of production

[@nickhackett5643]

shoutout to Seagate for innovating. Even now their hard drives still aren't super duper reliable but they're really pushing the HDD industry forward

[@lost_footage]

Is linus tech tips disappearing? Stay tuned to find out Edit thanks for all the likes guys

[@ThePerro]

Dave But first - ExpressVPN!

[@nordicrain]

That'd be great

[@scottkailey1]

Nope I doubt it.

[@39zack]

Louis Arias bought to you by FREEEESHHH BOOOKS!!

[@sBinnotto]

lttstore.com

[@gaming_hippie4806]

when they are being throw or in linus's case dropped lol

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

The human eye can't even see more than 24 STD's per second.

[@adamkk03]

How do you give gold here

[@zeemonkeyman1]

It can if you ad tweezers

[@officialspaceefrain]

@@adamkk03 PayPal me $50 and you've done it

[@shadowtheimpure]

Best use-case for QLC and PLC cells are in WORM (Write once, read many) applications. By doing so, you are able to minimize the wear and tear on the cells while having the speed you need.

[@raynlaze1339]

2:55 sorry what were you saying? I was way too busy watching these clips xD

[@zh2912]

@@fragglemark yeah, i wan't to know

[@thedoofguy5707]

Industry insight from Seagate: "Harddisk break. Not know why. Make new harddisk. Also break."

[@TheXlen]

I mean WD has the same numbers for failure rates, Toshiba is a bit better, but also slower

[@Aereto]

@@TheXlen And then there is HGST. Their standand models are often preferred by OEMs for HDDs. Only one cloud backup company uses basic consumer HDDs for storage and publishes their drive reports. This is the only source we'll ever get before another company does that to cross reference. Seagate got their base HDD unreliability reputation from that.

[@TheXlen]

@@Aereto isn't HGST owned by WD for 7 years now?

[@TheXlen]

@@Aereto Also all companies monitor all batches, if there are more failures in certain time frame from one batch they warn customers and offer replacements

[@ainzooalgown7589]

@@Aereto I have 4 Hitachi drives bought in 2009 and are still going strong even with 24/7 usage

[@_GhostMiner]

Hard drives in desktops can last almost forever or over a decade, while hdds in laptops won't last even 5 years. I've already got a dying hard drive in my 3 years old laptop and it's already ludicrously slow.

[@wertigon]

HDDs have one glaring problem though, writing 50 TB of storage will take a looooooooooooooong time with a SATA3 interface and standard 7200 RPM. In fact, seek and transfer speeds will only worsen as the drive size increases. Will be interesting to see how that problem is tackled... :)

[@TheDaktary24]

Yeah, but there aren't any SSD with at least 10 TB capacity

[@shadowslyzethrogenada6728]

Exactly and that's why in my opinion hdds will remain superior

[@damian9303]

So get two SSD's of the same length and combine them together. I'm pretty sure you can.

[@rickytorres9089]

Actually it's possible now of days to rev up to an explosive 100TB. But you would be STUPID to drop even for a 10TB drive. That amount of data should be on HDDs and if you are on a laptop than opt for online HDD storage. A GOOD way to do that would to get a VM rental from LunaNode or similar and size up a HDD volume to your desired specs. Chances are the VM service will beat most (if not all) clouds and your not signing off your "world" of privacy in the process.

[@nathang6307]

Me: oh boy new LTT video! Honey Ad: HEARD YA LIKE LINUS. HERES AN AD WITH HIM

[@solstice1290]

Dude saaame

[@kingjoe3rd]

If you try to buy hard drives off of Amazon it seems like it is hit or miss whether or not it will actually be a new product and if it will actually work. They are selling used ones as new and it is every single company that is doing it.

[@pipony8939]

Do you have any validation for that? I want to buy RED NAS and I'm afraid to buy used as new

[@rudranilghosh2713]

"speaking of pulling things out of nowhere" - linus 2019

[@souravdutta1124]

last time i was this early high performance hdd's was a common saying

[@parentheses7777]

But I like the loud sounds of the spinning disk.

[@jdmnissan]

Me 2, me 2 buddy

[@jdmnissan]

Me 4, that's why I use an SSD and an HDD 😎 and water cooling so I can hear my 11years old 40GB IBM drive 😜

[@LunarStrike]

Lmao all I hear is the hum of the pump and a Loud ass gpu at 75c

[@jdmnissan]

@@LunarStrike buy asus :)

[@kungfubrush7269]

The smile at the end is priceless

[@marikroyals7111]

After 3 laptops in 10 years with only hard drives I wonder how the first two managed to startup and not become corrupted after being drop to the point one of them had the case break.

[@AnymMusic]

mind you, Linus has at least 1petabyte in that 175zetabyte total

[@bobsytheking]

He has a one petabyte storage system so he probably has more than a petabyte

[@adamjo_]

3:55 there's a U in that binary stream at the bottom. 4:01 and there's a 2. 4:05 2 on the second from top Are these Easter eggs? What do I win?

[@glados9298]

1000 internet points has been deposited in your account

[@Volvotech740]

In my opinion Hard drives will not disappear because When an ssd decides to die, its almost impossible to get the Data out without some Professional. And Hard drives are mostly used in servers because they least longer than ssds and they are so much easier to work with. Ssds are good for boot drives but i wouldn´t put my important Files/Data on the ssd.

[@Iron_Sights99]

Maybe not to boot from to run the computer, but HDD's are amazing for mass storage. The fact they are getting cheaper is also nice in that aspect.

[@nielsssg]

I love HDD's they're so cheap now. I just got an SSD as a boot drive, all my other drives are HDD's. Picked up a 3TB 7200rpm drive for £55

[@RedStripeMedia]

If tape is still around for mass storage. I can guarantee HDDs arent going away for a long long time.

[@rickytorres9089]

Indeed tapes and MDiscs are the only "better" archrival options. Tapes can hold data unpowered for decades while an MDisc will holds for an entire century. BUT I am not going to go out of my ways to get a Tape/MDisc reader, nevermind the actual logistics.

[@canadian1233]

I had a favorite old laptop that runs Windows-7, and its internal Hard Drive started to show signs of failing, so I bought a larger capacity SSD and used 'Macrium Reflect 7 Free Edition' to clone all of the old hard drive contents onto the new SSD. I swapped the new SSD in for the old HDD and now my old laptop runs amazingly fast, and is totally silent as well. I'm happy.

[@Griimnak]

On devices like laptops, it's totally fair to think you won't see hard drives anymore. But I think HDDs are still the best option for cheap reliable bulk storage for enclosed environments, like desktops and servers. 3:19 this is why

[@shahedhossainimran]

I mean, you can't really beat HDDs in terms of price per gb ratio. Even more so when SSDs cost 20% more in developing countries due to various reasons.

[@rickytorres9089]

Or even storage in general. The only things that "beats" HDDs in this regards are tapes and MDiscs. But they aren't "exactly" just "load n' forget" devices. They requires a certain workflow to be able to use them properly.

[@euX222X]

Don't believe the SSD will replace HDD, maybe the SSD will be replaced for a higher speed memory "storage", like the "Optane RAM"...

[@rickytorres9089]

Indeed, I am placing ALL my bets on being able ot "dig up" a HDD than a SSD. I heard your lucky to be able to read from an SSD a year after it's last lost power.

[@jeskoumm]

To be Frank, with all of the clicking, over heating, and scratching issues I have faced with HDD in the past, as soon as SSD's appeared I dropped all of my hardware that utilized HDD's and adopted all new spec. of the SSD and NAND platforms (on Windows). After switching about 10 years ago, I never looked back...except for recently when my MBP with hypbrid graphics went through a catastrophic logic board failure and am now using a spare MBP of integrated GPU on a Journaled platform. I'm hoping to ditch this setup soon or win one of the bundled-future-proof-impeccable-rig you love to create! Fingers crossed...

[@gerowen]

I just got a replacement WD Gold 12TB drive in the mail today. I had one of the ones in my home server fail and had to RMA it after only a year and a half. Didn't lose any data since it was part of a RAID group, but still annoying for a drive that expensive to die at such a young age.

[@Cewyah]

I'm okay with having my PC take 40 seconds to boot because cheap high storage is great! I prefer Hard drives and hope they don't go away like desktop computers.

[@itsmitko7]

get a 250 ssd like me, they are really cheap, and you also keep your 2tb hdd

[@Daschickenify]

My hard drive boot experience was more like 5 minutes to boot AND wait until the computer is ready to open anything.

[@enweave]

It seemz like affordable reliable hdd's are really disappearing, picking new one is like a mine field.

[@gwantM]

I just stick with Western Digital. Ive never had a problem with there drives.

[@lochinvar00465]

Had to replace a hard drive in a laptop. I opted for a Western Digital Black 1 TB. More than enough space for the two O/S's. Another laptop has an SSD that is so small it only has about 20 GB left on it. I put a 128 GB SD card in it for storage.

[@joesterling4299]

Most Seagate drives that I've owned have failed prematurely. Western Digital has a much better record, though not perfect.

[@rickytorres9089]

You can't go wrong with used ones then. Just stick with sellers who you can trust, avoid drives like ST1000's and you should get good reliability/dollar.

[@DDuMas]

There's two reasons I can think of to use SSDs: 1. Running programs. 2. If you want to make a silent computer. For archive storage, it make more sense to me to use large reliable HDDS. 95% of my data I access infrequently, and all the stuff I may access frequently still loads and responds quickly. I don't need low latency access to files. Even games run fast on the PC from a 5200 RPM laptop HDD over SATA 2. On top of that, I use a small cheap 64GB SSD with Intel Rapid Storage Technology to increase that laptop HDDs speed further. It basically turns a HDD into an SSHD, but with far more SSD space. Usually an SSHD is limited to 8GBs or 16GBs of SSD space. So there are options and combinations to consider, both have a place imo.

[@karlgauss7242]

It's not one or the other. For the last few years, I've used an SSD for the boot drive AND a hard drive for storage. It will be many years before that combination stops making sense. By the way, you can use PrimoCache (a ram cache program) to greatly speed up your hard drive. If you have an older SSD sitting around that's maybe too small to use as your boot drive, you can use it as a "Level 2 cache" for your hard drive. That's what some laptops do with Intel Optane memory and Seagate SSHD drives. But you should still have a SSD boot drive.