Are hookless rims dangerous?

[@montrose252]

NEVER! I am staying on clinchers for the simplicity.

[@OGillo2001]

Hookless rims - Solving a problem that we never had..

[@dhanso928]

Yes, 'we' as in the people who ride bikes. The problem these rims solved is that the greedy bike industry wasn't making enough money to suit themselves and a new cheap to build wheel. and tire combo occured to them. With a bit of cash to the shills they are now selling these to the "newest is best" and making more money..( for now...)

[@aaronhamlen8215]

Clinchers for me no issues & I can also ride home even if I break a spoke. No maintenance required replace tubes or patch tube if I have a slow leak, no sealant to deal with. I've never missed a ride because of the clincher wheel design. I have mechanical shifting never missed a ride because I didn't charge my battery. Ride on keep bicycles simple to maintain. I support my local shop I don't have time to deal with companies trying to re-invent the wheel.

[@Flat4fun]

Rim Brakes, clinchers, mechanical shifting, and MANUAL TRANSMISSION CAR…. Repair ability and skills rule.

[@paulschulman8131]

I ride alloy rims as clinchers

[@BrianRPaterson]

Me too. And TPU tubes, rather than tubeless.

[@paulschulman8131]

@@BrianRPaterson using Revoloop Race.Ultra on my HEDs

[@dominicbritt]

I ride tubeless on hooked rims on my road bike and hookless on my gravel bike. I use Mavic wheels because they don’t need tape (just saves me a maintenance job every year) and I find I get excellent ride quality and speed - occasionally get saved from a picture - I’m sure at some point I may have to resort to tube on a ride. I have have very few issues but I do keep on top of the sealant. I use Pirelli tyres because they can be fitted with thumbs and perform shell in and off road, A lot of Wayne’s points are valid. But the wheel and tyre issues are pretty much gone now and sealants are much better than your standard Stans sealant. Mountain bikers have ridden tubeless for over 10 years - they happily use hookless rims. Anyone who has done any gravel riding will know that you cannot get far with a tube… A lot of the most modern tyres seem to be better than ever at resisting punctures too. Everyone knows a cyclist who does no maintenance, you know… the guy who gets three punctures and a mechanical on every long ride but only carries one tube. Maintenance is a thing regardless of what tyres you’re running…just a thought …

[@SignorLuigi]

The profile/cross-section of a hooked rim is essentially an I-Beam. That is a proven design that maximizes strength/weight. Hookless rims do not have this structural engineering advantage. The advantage of hookless rims is that they are easier to manufacture and can create more profit for bike companies. I'm all for companies employing innovative technology that improves performance (or at least does not make it worse) while reducing costs. But cycling seems plagued by companies placing profit over performance. In the end, such a guiding philosophy will put those companies on the treadmill to oblivion and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

[@stuartdryer1352]

The issue is that there is NO margin for error with hookless rims. The increase in internal pressure needed for failure is too easily achieved, especially at higher temperatures. And tire rim compatibility is not straightforward. Who benefits? Not us. Zipp rims are not cheap. Just cheap to make.

[@MaxPower2-e8j]

The sealant needs to be replaced every three to six months. What a nightmare

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Topped off. Because it water based. Every time you add air you dry it out. More if you live in a dry environment.

[@JDirom]

Tubeless works great. On numerous occasions I have gotten back from a ride, to find that I had “punctured”. On tubes it would have been a stop and repair. Even better for gravel bikes. This is akin to people hating disc brakes, because they are unfamiliar with them. To each their own.

[@dhanso928]

Yes, you go ahead and believe the hype. If it works for you ❤. I'll keep riding tubular until they stop making them, like they're doing with rim brakes.

[@stibra101]

Tried tubeless and went back to tubulars and clinchers, far superior feeling and simplicity over tubeless

[@mortlow6688]

I ride dt swiss crc 1400 hookless wheelset since 5 years now and never had any problems. This wheels are very durable and fast. I don't ride this tire inserts and nothing under 32 mm. At the moment i ride the S Works Pathfinder 42 mm.

[@richardhyde5091]

My work colleagues tubeless tyre failed at the weekend completely removing from the rim on a ride… resulting in one trashed carbon rim….. having ridden 20km on a flat clincher tyre on an aluminium rim and punctured tubular wheel i was able to get me home without wheel damage… the old system works well enough … I wont be changing systems anytime soon…. Keep up the great content

[@muromango4415]

Is there a way to make tubular tyres puncture-proof? For example, by using installation foam or styrofoam (like Schwalbe Airless) instead of the inner tube? No, I have had enough of flat tires. I do not want to buy expensive tires anymore. (i use actually Vittoria Juniores 26" on Spinergy Rev X Wheels)

[@michaelhoile1369]

Great video 📹 👍 still running rim break with tubes 😂😂😂

[@andreemurray7039]

I'll stick to tubular tyres thanks

[@glennoc8585]

Hookless for road is the silliest and dangerous product push in modern history

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

I'm riding tubeless and will never go back to riding tubes on the road. Way too much stuff to run over on the roads and paths here.

[@luv23c]

Shit the bed, the man is back and still looking soo handsome🤟

[@dongbagamasbad]

Chair swivel: distracting.

[@waynosfotos]

The greatest!

[@dongbagamasbad]

@@waynosfotos All good 💯. Welcome back! ☺️

[@AndrewBlucher]

He's attempting to hypnotize us!

[@savagepro9060]

Tubular Tyres: "Hookless rims are NOT dangerous!!!

[@paulschulman8131]

I mentioned that. The OG hookless wheel

[@ellisbriggsbikes]

Actually tubulars were originally to get round the problem of not being able to put high pressure tyres on the original hookless rims@@paulschulman8131

[@savagepro9060]

Fish🐟🐠: we don't even trust 'hookless' technology, riding waves in schools!

[@KurtisPape]

In 20,000km I've had 1 genuine puncture with tubeless, I hit a man made rock garden slow down point on my gravel bike at high speed, it took 2 plugs to seal without futher issue. It was my fault for running high pressures and only 35mm tires. Apart from that I have never punctured on my mountain bike or on pirelli road tires but... I was having a lots of punctures with the original schwalbe pro1 tires, it was normal for me to think it's raining only to find it's sealant spraying all over me most rides. These tires were literally unusable and I wouldn't trust them in a velodrome, it's a fault of the manufacturer not of tubeless.

[@waynosfotos]

We are talking road, not MTB or genres, where lower pressures are used

[@KurtisPape]

@@waynosfotos My bad I didn't make it clear that most of those 20,000kms are on my road bike. Never had a puncture on the road bike other than when I was using the original schwable pro1 tires but that's only because they were not fit for the job, nothing to do with tubeless.

[@dasv10]

You summarised perfectly, It's a bicycle, i don't want to become a nuclear engineer to do an adequate maintenance to the bicycle, enough for those with disc brakes now they have to care about contaminated and noisy rubbing discs 😂

[@joseluisrodriguezvazquez6082]

To me, it's all about practicality, not to mention safety, of course. We've come to a point where doing the opposite of what the industry wants you to do is the most sensible thing. Long story short: stay away from hookless and tubeless on the road. There are great light inner tubes nowadays which make tubeless unnecessary. I'd rather change four inner tubes a year (which I don't) than endure the pain and hassle of tubeless all year round. And what's with that fad of running low pressures on the road? For God's sake, this is not gravel or MTB. I don't know what roads you have out there, but thankfully I enjoy great roads where I live so I don't need to run 70 psi to have a smooth ride. Stop believing what the industry wants you to believe and think for yourself.

[@waynosfotos]

The only reason they want to promote lower pressures is 1. The system works better, that is, sealant doesn't work well at higher pressures 2. Hookless rims can't currently be made for higher pressures So they write the answer, then tell you the question

[@ketle369]

I was looking at Zipp 303s, but after looking 👀 more I found out that Shimano C46 was a better choice. They are hooked and were actually cheaper on sale. I run them tubeless, but I can run any tire on them. No worries. 😌 An additional bonus is the cup and cone hub that’s easily serviceable by my self. Cartridges sound easier, but even with the help of my car mechanic neighbor it was a pain in the 💩 to replace them on my DT Swiss wheels. Pros run Shimano so it’s more than good enough for the non pro rider. I definitely see the benefit of discs and electric shifting, but hookless is just cutting cost for the manufacturer and not any benefit for the customer.

[@WowRixter]

A non-solution looking for a non-problem

[@thebrunoserge]

I literally recently bought a fucking Canyon Grail and installed GP Urban folding tires - are you telling me THEY’RE NOT COMPATIBLE AND EVEN DANGEROUS?!? I spent $6000 on a bike but I can’t run most tires on the market with TPU tubes?!?! I can’t even Amazon return the tires I already tossed the boxes. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH BIKE BRANDS?!?!? ZIPP 303 FC SHOULD JUST HAVE A HOOK THEY’RE EXPENSIVE

[@RICHARD.WRIGHT1]

Hambini has technically explained it with the maths!

[@waynosfotos]

Yes, I was going to go over this to, but he did a pretty good job, so I left it out. Basically the rim does very little to hold the tyre on. The reason it doesn't come off, is, the tyre has unstretchable fibres running radially, so the tyre can't expand and pop off the rim. It is only the surface pressure keeping the seal.

[@Xerp4Life]

My first road bike had steel rims, when I dinged them on a rock I could straighten them with pliers :)

[@shanewiseman5729]

Got to be insane to ride hookless.

[@zypang1447]

Hookless exists because manufacturers are lazy and want to charge more for doing less. That's it. Nothing more to it. Why is this debate even going. Just say what it is and stop supporting the industry doing dumb shit to save themselves money and effort and trying to pass it off as a benefit to the customers.

[@fergusfitzgerald977]

Yes indeed it's becoming far too complex and worrying ! Keep it simple ! I will stick to simple stuff - clinchers rim brakes stuff that I am familiar with - if you want to go to other more modern systems fine by all means enjoy !

[@keithburt7874]

I intentionally mispronounce the organization as "ERTRO"

[@nursultansaljakbaj9401]

On my Canyon i have all the time problems. I call my bike now C(hin)anyon😅😂

[@chrisharper2658]

Why are they making rims out of carbon fiber and resin? Remind me, what's wrong with aluminum rims and inter-tubes because apparently I've lost my way again?

[@ketle369]

You save up to 500 grams. But for the amateur it’s not worth the extra money if you’re going for speed. It’s free to lose a kilo of body weight and also more benefits for your health.

[@chrisharper2658]

@@ketle369Truth be told aren't most riders really basically enthusiasts rather than pros or amateurs. I personally love the ascetics of the shiny well finished components of my younger years and really don't care about absolute weight reduction. The only person I'm competing against is me. Isn't that what riding is all about?

[@jeffs5519]

Like anything else learn to do it right, then do it right, and you have no issues. May even see improved performance. I LOVE my hookless Zipp Firecrests. No flats, no issues in two years both road and gravel.

[@peterstockwell7512]

I ride Giant hookless, m TV experience has been good, no problem. You have to be aware to use the correct tyre & max pressure etc. overall I am happy with the Giant hookless rims.

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

One of the biggest issues is we ride hookless in our cars. You'll see tires blow off rims if the tires or rims aren't strong enough to deal with the load If we stopped being weight weenies, we could have a much better system. An engineer proved the "rotating weight" thing isn't, unless your doing sprints. Add some more material and make the rims and tires stronger.

[@ketle369]

Why not just keep the hooks?

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

@@ketle369 See my comment on weight weenies. Also it's way more complex to build a rim with hooks on them if you use carbon fiber as the base material.

[@myNamezMe]

All the hassle involved in trying to make hookless rims work, leaves me saying no thanks, I'll pass. Given the questionable safety margin, I wouldn't want to take the risk of hitting a pothole at high speed, even a small one.

[@takuan650]

Yep, why the easy way when You can make it complicated, expensive and frustrating. The bike industry is trying to sell us all sorts of sh!t ! Profit rules.

[@savagepro9060]

FIRST!!! Before hookless tire explodes!🤭🤭🤭

[@petecollis4980]

On the roads I ride hooked tubeless and it works great for me, hookless is for profit margins not for consumer safety. Consumer safety should always come first, I could never believe how carbon clinchers were ever allowed because they simply were not safe, so here we are again safety first?

[@dhanso928]

No hookless for me. Nor tubeless. I ride often on remote and mountain roads, off the grid. Getting a tubeless tire to seat with a hand pump isn't always possible. Having to save a corner at 50mph descending after a tire's come off the rim? Not a thing I care to encounter. I get it that companies are trying to maximize earnings by touting all these "improvements" and sell new revised bikes and parts but I also say I "don't buy it" . Sorry, but when the bike sellers get. real again, then I might help with the "crisi$"

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

No begging for likes and subs??? Thank you! Thumbs up for that. Interesting discussion as well.

[@Chris-iv2ud]

Is hookless dangerous? Can be, required correct combination of everything to make it right. Is Zipp dangerous? Hell ya!

[@lomilomi3535]

Hookless ...tubeles....looking for problem to fit a solution....tubular with tape..what could possibly be simpler or safer or faster...bicycle industry has gone nuts...making everything more comlicated ....rim brakes with tubular.....nothing will ever compare with that....

[@lyellharrington7260]

Hookless on a bicycle never! They ok on big weight vehicles like motorbikes, cars, trucks etc only because they can actually put real weight mass & structural integrity strength into the tubeless hookless tyre & wheel designs to maintain proper air tight factors but even then proper tyre pressures must be maintained for that tyre's purpose. On a bicycle the hookless tyres would be totally out of proportion given the equivalent safe factor proportion rules applied that are standard for heavy vehicles. Current hookless bicycle tyre designs are trying to use same proprtion principiles that clincher tyres have without any of the benifits of the clincher design - that is the hook & bead system which is profounfly better engineering for light weight vehicles, hells bells even the tubeless bicycle tyres we've been getting until these stupid hookless types started showing up use the hook & bead system.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Cool channel. You can tell this guy is not your typical KZbin sheep

[@waynosfotos]

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