Are Kratos' Ashes Fading Away FINALLY Revealed | God of War Theory

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

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[@Dartheious]

The curse is lifting because he himself are changing. His character/personality is not the same Kratos from GoWIII. Most of his magic in GoWIII was powered by hope and the weopons he acquired. Hope was released by the Sword of Olympus to the people of Greece for them to rebuild. Kratos' immortality is bound by his nature since he is a god. Tartarus is a primordial place which cannot be destroyed. His powers are actually tied to that place when he received his Blades of Chaos. This is the reason he can still activate Spartan Rage and all his powers with the Blades are all fire based. This is also the reason he cannot get rid of the blades. It is part of his godhood. Kratos' powers are actually closer to the Titans because of this.

[@callofdutyvulture9116]

most of kratos’s power in gow 3 was spartan rage and blades of exile, which he fueled its power with his own god essence, kratos also uses spartan rage in ghost of sparta for the first time, kratos combined spartan rage with the blade of olympus making him completely invulnerable, canonically the blades of exile were the most powerful weapons through gow 3 and more powerful than all of the gods weapons

[@Kingstingraie]

Yeah that's what confused me the most was magic and power this post help clarify it a bit ty😅

[@EchosOfMist]

and he is getting the n word pass back

[@godzillazfriction]

bruh, the power of hope was never used freely... most of his magic wasn't powered by the power of hope since it only activated during the Ares fight and when he went against Zeus in GOW3... there's literally nothing to prove that his magic was powered by TPoH except for having a headcanon.... plus GOWII is GOWIII

[@luminumbreon3939]

@@Kingstingraie In Ragnarök it was revealed that the blades of chaos are fueled by primordial magic, not Grecian magic

[@maxm.m.7219]

I don't think he lives long due to a curse. The curse is not to live forever, but to not be able to kill himself by suicide. Kratos simply lives forever because he's a God, not due to a curse. I also think that part of the reason why the Blades still have power is due to them having some essence of the primordial Chaos embedded in them (since they ARE after all the Blades OF CHAOS).

[@ax_yew_sumting2667]

The blades of chaos originated in Greece but they power isn't from Greece. They're made with primordial fire, this fire is the fire that created all other fires. This same fire that Sutr has. Another thing is that the blades of Chaos are also powered by Primordial chaos. What is the power of chaos it's kind of confusing it's sort of creation Also the curse that he can't die also comes from his family bloodline from Zeus. The only one who could kill him is Atreus. All God's from Zeus bloodline killed their fathers as Kratos did.

[@mr.misfit3309]

​@ax_yew_sumting2667 I don't think it was a curse the gods would just intervene so kratos couldn't kill himself and he only tried it once in the games

[@arnifenrenso2940]

Makes me think about why he didnt die in the og GoW games, maybe he inadvertently killed himself due to his actions, which is why he came back multiple times

[@TheRealTaolf]

I still believe Kratos lives forever because of his skins

[@jamesgreen9712]

I doubt they are made with Chaos, we have little to no proof of that being the case, primordial fire on the other hand - sure. Chaos is the strongest primordial in the entirety of Greek Mythology more ancient and powerful than Olympians and Titans combined and precedes the universe, origins of blades are murky but they were either made by Ares himself or Hephaustus (suggested by the novel of first 2 games) in the depths of Hades, I doubt that Ares or Hephaustus had any power over Chaos or his essence, not to mention that any weapon made from Chaos would be more powerful than the Blade of Olympus and Zeus not only wouldnt allow that but would also want such power to himself and if Ares has access to chaos it doesnt make sense that his superior does not, not to say that no one seems to be much interested in Blades of Chaos while they should be much scarier than even Blade of Olympus. Plus, even if Ares had the essence of Chaos to go around making weapons why wouldnt he claim it for himself and instead just gift it to his minion? Now primordial fire is much more fitting - Surtr confirms that the blades have primordial fire in them, being PRIMORDIAL would explain why the fire in them burns hot even in Hellheim and why blades still function in the Norse realm - because primordial powers are shared throughout mythologies and not tied to any land or god. I would also think that unlike Chaos, primordial fire is much more common and while extraordinarely powerful not exclusive to Blades of Chaos (Primordial Fire is wielded by both Hyperion and Helios), therefore not feared as much by other gods

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

Maybe the fading ashes symbolize that his wife and daughter have forgiven him.

[@alexgunderson1422]

And hes finally letting go of his past

[@zomfragger]

They already did when Kratos went to Hades. Persephone gave Kratos a choice stay in Elysium with his family while the world crumbles into dust or abandon them to save the world. Kratos eventually chose to leave the Greek version of Heaven to save the world. The ashes disappearing could be a sign he is forgiving himself for his actions against his first family.

[@Pxxnxe1]

the other way around. he’s forgiving himself.

[@jedipadwan20]

Agree with your idea the replies also.

[@charlespettis1168]

The dumbest comment in G.O.W history

[@insectostrich4407]

Actually, I think it was confirmed in Ascension that the oracle who cursed him might’ve been one of the furies because just before Kratos kills her she transforms into the oracle and says, “They were not there by chance, Spartan”.

[@godzillazfriction]

she says 'Kratos' at the end... plus thats a bold claim to make although a very fun one but if the furies can act like Kratos' wife in an illusion then they can definitely mimic and somehow know what the oracle was like to Kratos considering that they were born out of the primordial war which already scales them above every single concept such as dimensionality, speed etc. - the only concepts that primordials aren't above are from the Titans since they're supposed to be stronger than the primordials and the Gods are supposed to be stronger than the Titans considering that the Gods or can just place those concepts in the box like its nothing

[@insectostrich4407]

@@godzillazfriction Well, it’s not my theory it’s actually Kaptain Kuba’s. Go check out his video on who the oracle could be and see what you think.

[@ysgramornorris2452]

She also took the shape of Lysandra at one point. Are we to believe Kratos' first wife was also a Fury all along?

[@insectostrich4407]

@@ysgramornorris2452 I said “I think”, okay? I’m aware it’s possible that the furies had no connection to the oracle. However, the line she delivers does imply that they, at least, might’ve had a hand in luring Kratos’ family to the village.

[@godzillazfriction]

@@insectostrich4407 it's a fun theory because it does make sense but it makes more sense for the Furies to take an oath breakers memories and use that to torment the oath breaker

[@temisthebard]

i like to think the curse is tied to Kratos's grief around his involvement in the slaying of his family and them fading is Kratos slowly forgiving himself letting go of that grief that he held over his own head for so long.

[@Joey0316]

Actually, the fire of the Blades Of Chaos are made of primordial fire. The fire that was used to create the entire universe in the game. Surtr said this in GOW: Ragnarok. When he saw the blades and felt their magic.

[@cringekiller348]

not really. he only said primordial fire

[@animo358]

​@@cringekiller348either way. The fact remains. If magic is bound to the realm that birthed it, the realm that created the Blades still lives. Surtr recognizes their magic as one he understands. Meaning muspeleheim and tarterus are more than likely one and the same, just known by different names.

[@GunravelT]

@@animo358 Are we forgetting that the fire comes from that titan from GOW Ghost of Sparta? Primordial Fire here makes sense, because it comes from a titan, a primordial being, just like Surtr.

[@animo358]

@@GunravelT I didn't forget it because I didn't know. But neither cancel each other out explicitly

[@GunravelT]

@@animo358 There wasn't fire in GOW 1, only after GOW GoS kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJKYXmRqgpmqadEsi=NjrUlcxe923Et_XJ If you wanna check it out.

[@animo358]

Another thing to consider? Kratos' family grew. It is no longer his firsþ wife and Calliope. Laufey, Atreas, Mimir, and more than likely Brok and Freya are now a part of it as well. The ash could simply be dull because he has more family and less to grieve. Similarly, the blades aint a factor in this conversation. Surtr recognized their magic as primordial fire. More than likely that Muspelheim and Tarterus are both tied to the original flame. Its the nature of a thing that matters. Not its form.

[@Peter_mikaelson]

Rip brok I loved that lil nod to him at the end of your statement

[@Darth_Melek]

To bolster your theory even further, it’s pretty much confirmed that the Oracle who cursed him was Tisiphone one of the furies. In Ascension his ashes were fresh but also seemed the most burdening but after he killed them the ashes started looking more and more pale and until in GoW 3 they became the palest and now in 4 they are starting to fade away. It seems like the curse was already weaker before but with the death of his homeland the curse truly died. And perhaps some of the Hope inside him also washes this curse away too, as we know that it is more than magic and can outlive it.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

I love comments that support my theory!!

[@godzillazfriction]

it isn't confirmed since the furies hold and can mimic anyone and seemingly know how to act to the person they're torturing... like how can the leader of the furies deceive kratos so much that isn't until he saw the ring and noticed that it was an illusion...

[@Darth_Melek]

@@godzillazfriction Then how did she know how the oracle exactly looked like?

[@ysgramornorris2452]

@@Darth_Melek She got her appearance from Kratos' memories. Just like the Furies did for pretty much all the illusions they crafted for him, including that of his old home, his wife and daughter...

[@godzillazfriction]

@@Darth_Melek same on how did she know how Lassandra looked like... they probably have visions on all types of ppl or have the knowledge of everyone that the oath breaker knows about and how close or what type of relationship the oath breaker had... they use that to psychologically torment the oath breaker just like Kratos... difference is that the leader of the furies wouldve happily act like Kratos' wife so she can get piped by Kratos

[@u-law8149]

The ashes are fading because he's doing good in the world, it started with giving Greece hope. He isn't solely responsible for the death of the Gods, they met their own demise at their own hands for the most part because of their own actions. He's not even solely responsible for the destruction and Chaos of Greece, I think as shown with Hera, Greece is tied to the Gods so that kind of brings back the idea that his powers are tied to Greece as well. But in theory the powers given to him would be bound to him as long as he's a live you would think, cuz it wasn't Zeus in God of War 2 that took his powers, he put his own powers into the Blade of Olympus. Cory barlog is going to have to write dialog on this in the next comic they release, cuz this ones hard to know. At least this is posed at the fan Theory, as opposed to being something more than that aside from being fun fan research.

[@godzillazfriction]

but hes literally responsible for the death of Greece... you dont know that Kratos wanted to sacrifice himself for mankind since he hates humanity and hates himself.... Zeus forbid other Gods fighting each other so that the mortals can have their own kingdom or whatever... and kratos killed them which lead to the destruction of Greece as a whole... Kratos already showed signs of causing mass destruction that the Gods were concerned about like how he destroyed Atlantis which Kratos didnt even care about destroying it... then after Ghos of Sparta, he basically became just like Ares which is why the Gods or primarily zeus needed to take action

[@shaylau]

A big reason the blades still work is because they are made with Primordial Fire, which isnt tied to one specific myth

[@bupkissknarbler4261]

There is a thing in norse myth of wich "that which is remembered ives". Kratos may be haunting himself and the story of the later GoW games may just be his journey to forgive himself for the past. Kratos has a lot of pain and destruction in his wake. I think the last two games are him learning both how to move past that wreckage of his traumatic life and forgive himself through the redemption of teaching his son to be better. But the visions of Athena I think are just that, Kratos keeping his old ghosts alive well past their time, and still struggling against them.

[@someguy8081]

Cool theory, I have my own theory for why the ashes are fading that has to do with fimblewinter, basically the curse was weakened to the point that it can no longer stay permanent, as for the blades they are infused with primordial fire that will burn no matter what, essentially the fire is less magic more force of nature

[@carlborneke8641]

I think that Kratos is finally forgiving himself and letting go of his pain and grief. He is moving on and finding peace.

[@zomfragger]

In greek mythology the gods ate food called ambrosia which was made from the fruit of the Elysium trees. Ambrosia is able to cure all disease, heal any wound of the body, resurrect the dead, and make anyone immortal. Being the god of war Kratos had access to ambrosia which would make him immortal. Also the norse have their own immortal fruit called the gold apples. Eating one apple will turn any one into a immortal.

[@myarmsrgone]

Are you talking about the iðunn apples?

[@zomfragger]

@@myarmsrgone Yes. In English they are the golden apples of Idun. But in norse it is Iðunn apples. For thoses who don't know, unlike ambrosia which requires only one dose to become immortal the golden apples of Idun do not. They stop the aging process for a time which is why the norse gods treasured them as should they run out or be denied a steady supply they would eventually die of old age.

[@christianhenry4173]

Yes but kratos is not an aesir he's a Greek demi god adjusting to Norse realms. It's been show through many boss fights that a Greek demi god like kratos could easily destroy any Norse god of he was the original rage monster he used to be.

[@godzillazfriction]

​@@zomfraggerwell the Greek Gods are immortal naturally whereas the Norse Gods aren't... they're actually mortal in reality but the idunn apple that kratos takes as a game mechanic to upgrade his health is what makes the Norse Gods immortal

[@zomfragger]

@@godzillazfriction Never said the Greek gods weren't naturally immortal. Just pointing out how Kratos could become immortal like the other Greek Gods since in the games he was a mortal demigod until he took Aries's place.

[@Ohkozy]

It’s literally stated in Ragnarok, the reason that the blades of chaos still retain its magical properties is because their primordial fire in them, which is not Tied down to Greek at all😅 primordials are being that were there before time and space

[@Jzargoisbetter]

Also fun fact: if you look close enough in the God of war trailer at 0:33 while Atreus is walking in, you can see the boots of Hermes

[@robwatson2614]

This was a very good video with some solid and interesting theories. I like that you gave different reasons for different things staying or going rather than just the easy "if one thing goes it all goes"

[@balkanboy0446]

in the mask in ragnarok there are greek letters (im greek ive read them and researched them) that indicated that either athena from the higher plane of existance is trying something or that the mask is tied to all lands (i believe that cause it also had japanise letters on it and another type of letter that idk wth they are from along with ancient norse runes) so yeah i believe that in the future god of war we either gonna visit "new greece" or we gonna have trouble with athena (athena intefering witrh atreus search or harming him)...there are also a lot of hints in greek methology about the rift and the mask so yeah the next game is gonna be lit

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

DM me on Instagram, if you could provide me with translations and pictures from the mask, I’ll give you a shout out.

[@thadeuskray]

The curse is also based on self forgiveness. Just a thought 🤔

[@entwoo2221]

Maybe Kratos knows the he lost his powers when he tried running on the wall with the boots of Hermes that he slipped and fell into a ravine and be like "useless boots"

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

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[@mubeenamir]

can you make an extended version f the intr i lve the Zeus sme keys are broken

[@imaplaygames633]

What if the curse of immortality has been absorbed into his divinity and the curse of the ashes is powered by his divinity with the reason they are slowly fading is due to him forgiving himself and thus not "powering" the curse so it's like a dying battery that will eventually run out of juice.

[@joeycoe85]

This all makes me wonder how they’ll handle the adaptation. You can’t skip the Greek pantheon, but, let’s be honest: Kratos may be the STAR, but he’s NOT A HERO.

[@Crypt0nomist]

I think it could be more complicated than that. When you are discussing the possible powers he could have tried to recall, you are working on the assumption that he tried to call back those powers during the 2018 or Ragnarok games. He could have been referring to himself trying to call back those powers at previous points in his life. Just a thought.

[@annanmunir6779]

The legend is back with his legendary content ❤

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

Good to be back

[@Jzargoisbetter]

That edit at the beginning was absolute FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@LostWallet]

im preatty sure the "curse" was lifted years ago. when Kratos killed Ares, the god has already absolved of his "sins", but his nightmare wont go away because he himself never forgive himself.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

I wouldn’t say the curse has been lifted since the ashes are still visible on his skin. No?

[@LostWallet]

@@abdallahalialbalushi but you can see the ashes faded. the ashe never faded even when he killed all the Gods of Olympus. even when he lived in the Norse for years, it still didnt faded. but it only fading now that he finaly finding peace. it wasnt the curse that keep his skin ashen, it was himself who refuse to let go of the past.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

@@LostWallet actually the ashes have been fading from the beginning. If you compare Kratos from God of War Ascension to Kratos from God of War 3, you will see the ashes on Kratos from God of War Ascension, which take place way before any of the other God of war games, are more prominent, while the ashes on Kratos from God of War 3, which takes place last in the series, are more faded. :0

[@LostWallet]

@@abdallahalialbalushi interesting, i gotta look into that

[@Týr4039]

The oracle clearly said, "fashioned to your skin, never to be removed"

[@keith6706]

Unless you remove the skin. Changing what you are is often referenced by a metaphor about changing the skin, usually by saying that it's impossible ("a leopard can't change its spots"), but people changing is often associated with "shedding their old skin".

[@aceaj2620]

1:57 his double jump for one

[@plantmc9319]

Lmao

[@Shadanator]

The blades of chaos were made with primordial fire so its not magic that flows through the blades

[@ax_yew_sumting2667]

The blades of chaos originated in Greece but they power isn't from Greece. They're made with primordial fire, this fire is the fire that created all other fires. This same fire that Sutr has. Another thing is that the blades of Chaos are also powered by Primordial chaos. What is the power of chaos it's kind of confusing it's sort of creation

[@invasiveone9875]

I believe he tried summoning the power of the fates to go back in time.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

That required the strings which controlled Time, he can’t do that willingly

[@ahmadbaalbaki6711]

Let's gooo are we back to grinding these videos ?

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

Yessir

[@ahmadbaalbaki6711]

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[@JonnyBain0145]

I would likely attribute the powers he lost were tied to the godly power he relinquished to the people of Greece. Given that he had collected that power from Pandora's Box, it would be understandable to think that the powers he had as the Grecian God of War were also surrendered.

[@Jarrabi]

The orbs are just a gameplay mechanic, if the orbs had any canonical significance, they would have said so. Not all magic fades with the death of a land like Greece; for example, the blades of chaos still work and they still follow him when he tries to get rid of them. Also kratos is immortal because he’s a god, not because of a curse. Retcon.

[@Ozzywozzy]

I am sure it is because he is forgiving himself more and more. He realizes that he can still be happy despite his torturous past. Now he only fights to protect his family and friends as well as the realm... as opposed to fighting for pure revenge in God of War 1-3.

[@ivanhunter6492]

What if Kratos' powers are fading because he holds back so much?

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

That’s an interesting point. He might be getting rusty.

[@ivanhunter6492]

@@abdallahalialbalushi and as he gets more rusty his ash is slowly going

[@Somedudeonaiphonechilling8971]

No he’s not getting rusty He’s just taking it easier, he can still go all out. it just that even if his son is getting slapped by 2 valkyries then he can only run without even activating spartan rage

[@Ohkozy]

His powers aren’t fading in the current games he just talking about old powers he use to have that freya explains that his older powers were tied down to his homeland and when it was destroyed so were his powers 😅

[@jacobooli]

The blades magic wasnt of Greek origin but primordial flames. It's implied to be older than the pantheon and possibly since all of creation. I think his ashes fading have to do with Kratos changing and in some way redeeming himself . On top of that there's a mural that indicates he will be worshiped and he's never really experienced that like the other gods have.

[@RagnarokPrime475]

Maybe the power he tried to summon is the power of the boots as in one trailer they are seen in his house so kratos might have kept them but hid them like he did the blades

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

Could be. But that was just in the trailer. So the boots may not be canon.

[@grantharrell5434]

I think Kratos is not cursed to live forever, he is just very difficult to kill. Remember in previous games he has escaped or conquered death multiple times. He slayed both Hades, the lord of the dead and Hades' wife. In addition Kratos killed the god of death who existed before Zeus and possibly before the titans. If Death was this ancient, he may have been beyond the mythos of Greece and killing him may have given Kratos immortality or close to it. As for the blades, they themselves were crafted in Tartarus, but the material used to make them may have existed before the gods and titans as Surtr claimed that they had primordial flames in them. This may mean that they predate almost any mythology which explains why Kratos can't get rid of them. As for the ashes, they could be tied into the one that they were placed on. Kratos felt guilt for killing his family for so many years, but Valhalla he reveals that Ares was ultimately responsible for blinding him with rage. Kratos is slowly learning to accept what he did in the past and that his actions were not in simple colors of black and white but grey. I also suspect his second family helped him to forgive himself and not dwell on the past as much as he did in the original games.

[@Galactica727]

As the ash is linked to his dead family, something about or linked to them should cause it to react outside of the curse. We know that calliope is in the fields of elysium. His wife's soul whereabouts were never explained.

[@Voronza]

In the Ragnarok game it was said about the Chaos Blades that there are primordial fires in them.

[@organizedchaos7]

Yes, Kratos lost all those powers at the end or beginning of each of the games but let's not forget that he did steal the soul of Hades. Therefore its possible that those are the powers he may have tried to bring forth

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

Actually Hades' soul was absorbed into his weapons (the claws of Hades) not into Kratos, and that weapon was left in Greece.

[@organizedchaos7]

Kratos left the Greek “world” behind so those powers then should have been gone as well. In Ghost of Sparta, the caretaker tells him he is death. So is Kratos the god of death?

[@marine0924]

@@organizedchaos7ye kratos did absorb death you can see when he kill thanato

[@TheBigHoffa0824]

Chaos is how the world is made it’s not tied to jus Greek it’s tied to every mythology and every world.. the primordial elements exist throughout everywhere which is why kratos’s blades still fire up

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

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[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

Counter theory his god status body is instead absorbing the ashes. Instead of previously rejecting the power of the blades of chaos represent. And its the fact that Kratos is learning to come accept what has happened that is allowing him to grow stronger with the weapons he is gaining. Rather than the weapons being the godly power. As a result overall Kratos is getting STRONGER. However of course I would not be surprised if this ultimately comes as a double edged sword. Like the Zeus's sword, that will inevitably burn Kratos once again. As in Kratos gets so powerful that his strength consumes his defenses. In which he becomes a glass cannon. By becoming the ultimate god of war he becomes the ultimate weapon. The only issue with the "ultimate weapon." Is it ultimately can serve only one purpose and thats to destroy. Not defend.

[@bebovvenlicki5486]

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[@billogden7265]

Anything thing regarding kratos blades, (Slight Spoiler ahead) we learn from Suter when we speak to him about accompanying us on a task that there’s primordial fire in kratos blades, aka they were created before Greece or Norse worlds, we know primodials still exist, so that could be why his blades are unaffected

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

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[@joeycoe85]

I would think it symbolizes he’s forgiven HIMSELF, if anything. His family’s feelings never seemed to factor into it that much. Kratos’ own self-hatred and self-sabotaging has ALWAYS been his downfall.

[@GunravelT]

Your theory regarding the orbs is interesting, but I do think they are a gameplay thing. I would need to search, but I think at some point in the series, it is mentioned something about the bloods bathing in the enemies' blood, that would explain the red. Another thing, the fire in the blades comes from absorbing it from that titan in Ghost of Sparta, killing it. I think the powers Kratos is mentioning is something that we didn't necessarily see, the way they word it, it's like every god could use every element, not sure if that would be the case, but it would make sense considering how Mimir was so impressed, after all, Nordic gods only have one attribute, like Thor and his lighting powers alone. Another possibility would be the ability to become a giant like we see in GOW 2, sure those powers were taken in that game, but in GOW 3, he pierced the Blade of Olympus in his belly, thus maybe transfering his powers back. I think this makes sense because Kratos is still a god to this day.

[@TruBaus210]

The oracle was most likely athena in disguise

[@a-52prajwalkamdi84]

intro is amazing man mind blowing

[@Theeditor2828]

I think the ashes fading is partially from the magic that cursed him dying with Greece, along with his wife and daughter forgiving him for what he did. But the only reason they haven’t truly faded away is because he is yet to forgive himself for what he did to earn the ashes. And I think if we ever see Kratos die, it would be nice for him to peacefully pass away, the ashes finally fading away for good as Kratos passes away.

[@HitmanHimself]

I don't think any god has ever 'cursed' him to not die, probably he think someone has cursed him but nobody did, it's simply his denstiy causing him to not die, whenever he's been killed or tried to kill him, he was was saved by someone or the situtation was like that he got saved.

[@GreenBro11]

Credit to that old woman for giving Kratos the strongest curse ever that persisted not just for possibly centuries, but through entirely different worlds. Crone knew how to cook.

[@TheBf666]

If kratos's ash fades, it means his daughter and wife's souls are out there somewhere waiting to take form or something. Calliope is in the fields of elysium. We don't know if that place was intact when greece got destroyed. Kratos would still be a demi god and live with his old look when he was in the spartan army. My 2 cents. I would like to see someone create a theory vid exclusively on the fields of elysium's status after kratos left.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

I might look into it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention :)

[@LJGrindewald]

Could it be that Atlas still holding up the world is what's kept Calliope's heaven in tact? I really really want Kratos to return to Greece one day in game. Thing is, if he dies. It's gonna be difficult. Because he could either return to his wife and daughter or Faye. He can't have both.

[@u-law8149]

​@@LJGrindewaldI would say logic dictates she returns to his first love, or his desire to be with calliope it's his child why not. Or it could simply be because of his Origins he returns to his first love and calliope.

[@joeshadowman]

His ashes are a curse for killing his family. The only way to remove them is to unkill his family.

[@momowii92]

The blades of Chaos are made from primordial magic. That's an entity higher than just ancient Greece. All the worlds are powered by primordial magic (Egypt, Norseland, Greece, Ireland, ect)

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

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[@hahnpark1037]

About those blades and their flames, Sutur himself said that those blades have primordial flames. AKA, flames that came before other flames. Before the gods were born even. So the real reason would be that the Blades of Chaos still retain their flames after the fall of Greece is because those flames are primordial and cannot be extinguished as long as existence exists.

[@DSR9595]

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[@brianbiscuits487]

As surtr mentions in GOW Ragnarok, the blades of chaos contain Primordial Flame. This explains why they still work when Greece was destroyed.

[@rahulsuresh2298]

The ashes represent the monster/beast/ghost he was. As he is a good god after Ragnarok, people love him and worship. He is no longer a monster. He is a good god. So it is fading

[@NoName-hp9ru]

Most likely his ashes and immortality are fading due to his homeland being destroyed. This is evident when he dies to Thor and do to it being literally stated his ashes are fading. As for his blades they’re made of primordial fire combined into the blades. And primordial fire is older than his home land there for the magic in them is not technically tied to Greece but reality itself and therefore making them unable to be destroyed. It would explain his weapons and other things. If your looking for evidence than you can look to the fire giant that becomes ragnarok in gow ragnarok. He states they have primordial fire in them. And this would explain everything.

[@kotormaster1975]

the thing is look at how he was when the curse was placed apon him he was distraught angry yet upset to his very core the oracle placed the curse on him when he was in this state of mind and he never really had any moment without those feelings in god of war 3 he started key word "started" to come to terms with what he did and started to forgive himself but he stopped for a very long time not long after this was started he tried to bury it try to control his rage as the rage he felt back then blinded him completely he killed cassandra and coliope with his rage in full effect that he had at the time plus didnt anyone notice aswell the angrier he got throughout the games the more apparent the ashes were? the reason they were fading at the start was because he felt he could make up for what he did to his last family to atone for it in some way but his rage was still there so it was a very slow and gradual degredation of the ashes whenever he would lose it his ashes became more apparent even in 2018 when he let it out against thor in the first fight he was horrified he slipped everything came rushing back as if to say "you do this you let this rage out again the same thing will happen" the reason his ashes arnt as apparent now could be that the curse is as strong as his rage the rage is still there deep inside fighting to surface but he is trying to hold it back keep it under control and he does struggle. and for those who want to include the Ascencion game or before anyone says "how come his ashes were fully appearal then he had no memory of what happened as it was locked" the curse was still fresh for one it was still at its strongest especially considering he defied aries not long after his family were killed so max this was like what afew weeks at lowest max a couple months after this curse was placed on him? it was in the stride of the time it was cast on him then it got worse after his memories were unlocked after the furys and the son were killed then his rage sadness regret all these deep steep bad emotions surfaced and they never left, and now he still tries to forgive not just himself for that as he obviously still blames himself but to reflect on what he did and try to see it deeper then just "oh they killed me so i killed them back" it was never about the getting them back because they did it to him there were deeper reasons for this that he never really thought about, yes the curse cast apon him was greek but it's not the type everyone normally thinks of, its more of a self sustaining from the heart of the 1 who is cursed, and the magic he has tried to recall but can't it could be the orbs or it could be another power that only he knew about that he thought was greek, we are talking about a guy who did the impossible on the daily climbing out of hell itself defeating titans and gods taking out beings that only the gods were thought could face, i think its something he needs to find a piece of himself that he lost back then and canot recall it without it, being homesick can do many things people think wouldnt be relevent, all i ask is dont think of the obvious and the rediculous over zealous mearly only think of what its like for someone who knew nothing but war and lost everything he ever knew, curses only mearly amplify whats already there with the smallest little thing added in this case his familys ashes but the rest was what he had inside all along and what he did amplified it way more then he ever could have thought

[@4LeafedDragon]

Kratos' blades are forged with Primordial Fire, meaning the power that the blades are drawing from is not locked to a set land, so while the power he fed to strengthen the blades did come from Greece, only the location of creation of the blades is a factor, and that location was the Primordial domain of death that shares its master's name, which means that the loss of Greece means little to the blades' actual power, only the loss of what was fed into it. And Kratos does gain strength from slaying enemies, its just in the form of a more typical RPG experience system, which replaced the red orbs entirely. Its also a fact that a god can sow their roots in other realms, as Kratos is still able to call upon the power of his godly rage, that he spent most of Atreus' younger years trying to gain control over, in fear of repeating what happened to get the ashes on him again from his slain family. Its possible that the curse of near immortality plaguing Kratos has its roots settle elsewhere from a single realm, if not directly tied to him directly, as far as I'm aware, the curse was placed on him after his ruination of Greece.

[@TheVideogamer1004]

The blades are primordial. From before gods

[@newhybrid101]

The flame in them is primordial,the blades were built from Hephaestus at the order of Ares

[@ceascrg]

Ragnarok explained that in the game. You're right

[@mhamadkg8639]

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[@abdallahalialbalushi]

It’s good to be back :)

[@Recycledmemes96]

In God of War Ragnarok when Kratos and Autreus look for surtur he looks and at Kratos's blades and says they have primordial fire in them so the magic of the blades is not tied to Greece the magic of the blades is from the dawn of creation so it will never get weaker and just stop working

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[@alexlarson5910]

I have a theory about why the blades of chaos are eternalaly bound to Kratos and what happened to them in between in games. My theory is that the Blades of Athena are the Blades of Chaos enchanted by Athena so that Kratos would not recognize them. On top of that someone in the higher plane for gods is who cursed the blades to come back to Kratos. These are just theories.

[@abdallahalialbalushi]

Unfortunately, it has been confirmed that the Blades of Athena are completely different from the Blades of Chaos

[@Molderich]

The magic he was trying to recall was the double jump. The curse, i believe, is linked to his guilt, even if the old lady was not a god and already died, her curse will always remains. He probably will never forgive himself, but he's healing thus the ashes are fading. The blades are powered by Kratos and his anger, that's why the spartan rage remains, that's from him and it's a "fire" power, remember that he consumed the Fire of Olympus (Rage of the gods is no longe available, Rage of the Titans no longer available as well, but the Rage of Sparta is and Sparta is long gone). Also greece and mankind there lives, so this powers are still alive just not all of them. Remember that the gods in the God of War universe are related to elements or forces, like fire, lighting, water, time, space, and so on, they can give the powers to other or artifacts but usually is temporarily, and they can take away what they bestowed. In short: Kratos god powers are the fire from within, cause the blade were "sleeping" until he ignites them again, before they were just powerful and well-crafted blades. Probable Atreus can wield them as well, seen as he has that fire within him (GoW2018 reference)

[@E54OW]

i think because War will still exist in greece is the reason hes still a god and will be immortal, the domain for his "Magic" is over war and death, as long as the cycle continues so will he, the curse on his skin i do believe is because the oracle is dead but its slow due to her bloodline maybe continuing

[@XD_cRiMeScEnE]

Maybe the ashes fading away is symbolic for time healing all wounds. Anger, sadness, emotions in general fade away eventually, making us feel dumb for ever feeling it to begin with.

[@Viirrvill]

in Ragnarök Surtr tells that the blades have primordial flames in them, which i believe has no place of origin and by that regard never actually die out. as for Kratos's curse, well considering how he is viewed at the end of the GoW: ragnarök he is no longer a destroyer of worlds, that would explain why the curse is lifting.

[@Who.R.]

Wow what an edit, please more

[@regiliok]

the blades of chaos where made from chaos and primal fire forged in tartarus (chaos and primal fire are still there surter has it)

[@u-law8149]

Well there's still a few Greek gods Kratos didn't kill, grease was left morso in chaos, then a place of non-existent. Hope against corruption I must say, isn't much power otherwise it would have more influence, which in today's society it doesn't Play along with hope that, gave the powers back to a plane of existence which would be greased. Now if the powers he gained during God of War 1-3 (psp) are the ones he's referring to, those are still the ability of the Gods bestowed upon him which would still make those Powers his to weld even with the death of the Gods that gave him those powers. I'd prefer him to have said (I renounced those abilities) then say (those are powers he could not summon.) Or more or less tried to but couldn't. Hey in the next God of War he won't have good Leviathan axe, it doesn't make sense for him to wield it. That final battle with Zeus is how he lost his powers, you could say when he gave Greece hope. Think of what happened after he defeated Zeus, wandering around, didn't that scene effectively showcase him losing his abilities, or in a sense even giving them up? Well that's my thought on it, this is speech-to-text so I hope you can understand it.

[@convergencev]

my headcanon is that he chose to keep ashes of his family. And as he forgives himself and continues to move on he is losing them. He put ashes of Faye where she wanted. Similarly his old family would have wanted him to become a better man. Similarly here when he feels he is becoming a better person he is letting them go. When he re-builds peace in greece and norse he will let all of them go.

[@givemeverything]

I think the curse is being lifted because Kratos has since gow3 have truly accepted he did it to his family and by letting go of his rage or even just restricting his rage means that he is becoming a better human and to become a better human you must accept ur flaws and what u have caused and done

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[@keybladegames_real]

"he left his powers back on olympus" lol I think him choosing not to use them is more acceptable and logical. Plus they wouldnt give us op abilities in the beginning of the game. You say it like he can just put them down like weapons. The spear and shield on Deimos grave makes sense but burying powers???? That makes NO sense dude come on. It really feels like you're coming up with whatever just to make a point. Krato's curse is not fading away. It's like saying the blades of chaos stopped working because Olympus was destroyed. They got magical like qualities sooooooo how do they still work then? The powers he has are completely different from the curse he was given. Curses isnt typical magic, it's different, it's a curse. Curses are just a completely different genre so to speak from normal magic. The ashes are fashioned to his skin NEVER to be removed. What i'm saying is his curses won't fade like the magic he had did. Think of it as permanent stats

[@naurioxx2409]

The blades still work because they were made from primordial fire and primordial fire is mentioned in God Of War Ragnarok and Primordial fire is the same in the Norse mythology (Kratos world rn)

[@pinoyjona]

Looking at the classic Kratos skin after completing Valhalla, its even mote noticeable the ashes are slowly disappearing

[@rurirotaru516]

All curses have a way to break them. Even if you're not told how. It could be the fact he's changing and has tried to show his son a better way. The fact he's learned to become better. That thos change in him. This remorse and acceptance is part of the key to break the curse. Thus it's hold on him is weakening.

[@onikakarot]

he was never cursed to be immortal, being immortal is just part of his godhood, curse was only for his family's ashes to be stuck to him forever, as for the blades working in ragnarok the fire guy mentioned the fire in them was primordial fire so the power in those blades could possibly predate Greece

[@ashurad_fox5991]

I think just like the explanation as to why Greek magic and abilities cannot be used anymore in the nord region, is because the curse is also tied to that land as well. So him going out of that Pantheon's influence slowly fades the curse... I think this is not meer speculation, but somewhat of a fact... Either due to distance or cannot be activated on another pantheon's influence. Since: A. Blade of Olympus during the Titan battles did not wipe out the Giants as well. Since you would technically classify them as both species... ie Gigantic Primordials. B. Tyr who we now see using other land's weapons doesn't use some skills there to complement the weapon (which as a god of war, is really confusing... as we see kratos being the only one who switched to using nordern magic to some degree in the newer games) C. Atreus cannot use any Greek magic as well... Which even if Kratos doesn't teach him to become a Spartan, will probably teach him atleast how to use greek magic to protect himself on his own. (He can use his Giant magic, and his power as god which hurt him at first due to not knowing he is part god... but never specifically greek magic) D. It seems Kratos still has Herme's boots in GOW4, but it was never used and is on Kratos' home only... (it's in the trailer, but not in the game. This may not be canon, but I'll point it out since it's relative to the topic) E. No other being uses another pantheon's magic on their realms, not even once... You'd think atleast Mimir with his experience from all sots of employers would learn a thing or two on how to use other magic beside from Nordern magic. (And Odin, you'd think he'll seek a magic to peer into that crack in reality right? Considering he is a god of wisdom like Athena?) The Magic system Freya is saying is likely the system their world uses, which is land based magic. And yes this is actually a magic system that exist in fiction long before this, albeit not really popular as it just sucks as a story standpoint. Also pointing it out, NO. Kratos does not live long due to the curse (except it preventing him from taking the "short way out"), and the reason as to why the blades of chaos does not lose it's power is because it is made from primordial fire... which ties it's power to it's own, and Kratos is the one the blades are tied to (physically and with his soul) Talking about curses, I think since it's a relatively minor curse (just sticking ashes to his skin, and not really a dangerous curse at that), it takes a lot longer to fade than stronger curses (which needs a medium and thus must be maintained constantly, otherwise it will be dispelled easily now that no one's maintaining it)... Same goes for here as the ashes starts fading after he killed the Oracle (now just a lot of time had passed so it's more noticable the ashes faded more)

[@RogueMusicFreak]

What if, the reason that the curse is slowly lifting is because that Kratos is not the monster he used to be. He is not an agent of destruction anymore, he wants to help rebuild. The mural in the end of God of War Ragnarok shows us that Kratos will be worshiped by the Midgardians. So is Faye part of the lifting of the curse? She tamed the "beast" and helped him start anew, creating a family with him. Helped him change. Helped to be the father he never was with his daughter. He needed that push to change and to become the change for others as well. And now with the help of Freya and his friend "head" (Mimir), he might be able to achieve the change he is destined to do.

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[@john20red]

i don't know the deeper lore of Gow but what if the Greek gods got reborn as their Roman counterparts, this kind of is supported by the whole immortality curse's still being there on Kratos as maybe the god simply got reborn thus reinforcing the curse, another thing that could support this is Kratos seeing visions of Athena, with what he is seeing literally being the ghostly remains of Athena in the Goddess Minerva. also maybe about Kratos's ashen skin curse still being there is because he unknowingly keeps it on himself due to the guilt? and maybe it fading away is him slowly forgiving himself?

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[@joebonanno9145]

Tartarus is the deepest place of hell where the most powerful and wicked of beings went. It is a primordial location where the 1st fires of the world ignited. It's is not an entity.

[@mutaqiultra]

Everything actually made alot of sense but the thing is, The Blades are powered by Primordial Flame which is in Greek lands too

[@Maniacal_Laughter]

The blades of Chaos are not powered by Greek Magic, they’re powered by primordial fire(as told by surtir) which precedes all magic as it is the fire of creation. As for Greece I don’t think it’s really dead but rather the embodiments of its aspects died(aka the gods) and thus those aspects have become chaotic and free leading to the age of Mankind.

[@shnubdawg7730]

I think some of the colour will remain but most of it could fade away Scars remain wounds heal

[@abdullahshabbir6476]

aren't blades of chaos powered by the Primordial Fire, as sutar said when he saw kratos's blades? i think this is why they haven't lost their power, and that is why they were strong enough to burn even in helhiem. Primordial fire, as sutar said, is one of the progenitors of all universe and something that came before gods and all this shenanigan.

[@ayaxmcgill635]

He doesn't loose all of his powers in ascension, the blades of chaos get permanently embued with Ares' fire, before that the blades glowed golden like the blades of Athena, but I guess they retconed that in Ragnarok saying they were forged with a fragment of the fire or creation itself

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[@vngaming255]

in God of War 2018 after the first fight with Baldur we see Kratos regenerate himself though. He was badly injured and he regenerated his body. Idk, maybe by stabbing himself with the Blade of Olympus he also got all his powers back from all games, well ones that went into the blade at least. Idk.